Stihl Clone Chainsaw back in the shop AGAIN! Is it worth it? You Decide! Neotec NS892 92cc Review
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
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My name is Bre. I took two years of small engine repair at the local college. When I left school, I fell into a wonderful job at a local small engine shop where I worked the counter for a couple years. In 2010 my husband and I opened up our own small engine shop in central Arkansas where I am able to work alongside my family and best friends. We see over 2,000 pieces of small engine equipment every year, and answer 1,000's of small engine questions. We specialize in brands such as Briggs and Stratton, Kohler, Echo and Shindaiwa, but work everyday on MANY other brands like Stihl, Husqvarna, Honda, Craftsman, Remington, Red Max, Troy Bilt, Scag, Bad Boy, Hustler, World Lawn, Poulan, Mantis, Etc.. Hopefully, my experience I share, will save you Time, Money and Frustration in the future!
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I’m ecstatic right now and so proud of you. I understand that feeling and it is so rewarding. Good for you. I’m inclined to learn to do this as I’m getting older. IDK I’d have to hire someone to pull those strings or I might pass out 😂. I must say I was so fascinated by your intensity that I focused mostly on your fingers while you were working. Mostly, I am still a man. You are every bit as competent as any dude I know doing the same skill set. Bravo and with much respect. Sincerely. Chip.
You are such a beautiful woman......
As a retired heavy diesel mechanic I always love watching folks work on engines of any size. Love your videos It is very educational for everyone that has mechanical know how or just want to learn new things
Good job trying to figure it out, plus you did it. You know you’re little motor.
Aw! Thanks so much for watching!
@@ChickanicI have a question. I have a Stihl weed trimmer. And it has the easy spool. But it stops feeding after so many cuts. Seems like it gets stuck and will not release the string.
@@Chickanic...What's your personal opinion about the best chain saw brands out today?.
You stay outa this let the men do the saw work
Im 73 now and usually find it better to buy the better quality. There are no cheap tools folks, they either work or they do not but I usually find that the better quality tools work better, last longer, and are more comfortable to use. All my tools are OLD and work just fine thank your.
The problem is that modern marketing and outsourcing means that the only difference between cheap and expensive just comes down to how well the QA is. Obviously that cheap saw was pretty high quality compared to chainsaws decades ago.
@@ryelor123, actually there are still quality saws made today. Look at what saws are being used by professional lumberjacks. They are not using cheap saws. I bought a cheap almost new no name saw for $60 awhile back. It started first pull when I tried it out. I got it home and it's been one thing after the other.
Obviously it was not. That’s kinda the reason it’s in the shop. Because it’s junk. Material and assembly quality of decades old saws, are much better than saws today. Ask any lumberjack anywhere.
Yeah that doesn't mean anything anymore. It's all different grades of cheap crap now.
I appreciate your tenacity and dogged determination for troubleshooting. Well Done Lady. I enjoy your videos.
I bought the Holzfforma 92cc chainsaw a year ago. Starts right up every time and never regretted buying it.
How's it doing? Just ordered 1 altho I didn't really need it, just couldn't say no at $260 shipped 😂
When starting a sthil chainsaw I always hear "it's a sthil so it will be hard to start". When starting a clone, a few pulls and it's a crap saw!
@josephrochefort9989 I don't see where anyone asked what you need. I got a 3ft tree I'm currently cutting up.. using the g660 for the bigger stuff will definitely help my ms 271 last longer.
Hey Chickanic, thanks for all the helpful content. You and Steve's Small Engine Saloon have taught me a lot about small engine repair! Y'all have earned yourselves some subs.
Aw! Thanks so much!
@@Chickanic not to mention, I will not allow anyone in my family to use TrueFuel ever again 😂
@@Funzone49 You know it's funny you mention that. I found out this week that Trufuel is showing parts of my video at their sales meeting when they go to distributors. Bwahahahahah! I guess I did make an impact.
@@Funzone49what?!?! TruFuel is GREAT!!!
for starting a bonfire
@@Chickanic 😂 that's hilarious
If it happens anymore, check the fuel tank vent. If it plugs to where it won't allow pressure to escape tank, the pressure in the tank will push the fuel to the point of stretching diaphragm and flood saw super easy. If it plugs not allowing air into the tank it will starve for fuel. the tank has to vent both directions, in and out.
saws, weed eaters and other devices meant to run at all angles do not allow venting out of the cap, they in fact have a one way rubber check valve built into the cap and carburetors are designed to hold back any fuel pressure that occurs, without allowing any leakage. I've seen them blow lines off, blow the cap apart and split the tanks before, all without carburetor leaking anything and being useable afterwards.
@@throttlebottle5906 must have had some super strong diaphragms and needle springs in the carburetor, lol
@@throttlebottle5906 but if you had enough pressure to blow lines and split tanks, it would have been flooding for sure, just like saw in the video.
@@terryblack1 on diaphragm pumper style carburetors, pressure pushes the diaphragm up and closes the needle/seat even harder, the spring alone will hold back quite a bit of pressure. a hardened diaphragm or one with the pin not in the fork will make a mess, as seen in video.
@@throttlebottle5906 the pressure is what will stretch the diaphragm. Don't know of any 2 stroke chainsaws that do not have diaphragm carburetors. I do know what happens when pressure builds up because I have fixed several that people thought it would be a good idea to put a duckbill valve where it should not be, but I've only been working on chainsaws for 40+ years.🤷♂
I cant get enough of your videos. You have helped me fix almost all of my and my neighbors machines. Everything from a chain saw to large riding mowers. I have started collecting small engine machines and fixing them..
Thank you sincerely from the bottom of my heart. ❤
I've been collecting myself too😊..
Finding the unusual problems and finally getting it to run makes you feel like a hero. I worked on A/C units and it seemed like I always got the hard to repair problems, but one thing I can say is those repairs will make you a better mechanic. Love your videos.
We always get better when challenged!
That saw is lucky it was his saw and not mine because it would have been in the scrap pile. I'm amazed at your tenacity to figure it out. Plus it makes for another one of your great videos. Thank you!
Am I the only person watching these videos hoping it won't start? I could watch this lady pull starting for ever 😂😂😂❤❤❤
Oh hell, yeah, brother. I was rooting for the chainsaw. And at the end, when it started first try... my heart sank.
The camera angle has it’s importance too !
I absolutely love her personality but yes, she ain't bad to look at.
Something that makes me more confident about possible war with China is the fact their weapons are, "Made in China" 😂
Her personality is great, but yes, she is HOT!
what chainsaw? Was she pulling on a chainsaw? I'm hooked on this channel now...
I appreciate you following up on this. I have a requirement to do some chainsaw milling and my echo 600p is taking a beating. 105cc powerhead with a 36" bar farmmac for a very reasonable price. If it lasts a year it pays for itself multiple times and still saves me over a big stihl...
I have to mention this. Back in 1989. I bought an echo CS 500 VL chainsaw used. I don’t know how old it was when I bought it but it ran good and that’s all I cared about. I had never owned an echo outdoor equipment anything before. This thing just won’t quit running. All I’ve ever done to it is changed bars and chains when they are worn out and I’ve always run real good gas through it and the air filter has always been cleaned. I swear I have use this thing over and over and over again as I burn wood and have burned wood for years. I recently got it out because I haven’t used it in several years. I dumped the gas out of it and put fresh gas in it, and it started on the third pull. What is it with this old chainsaw? It just won’t quit running. I love this thing I will never trade it for a new one no matter what. As far as I’m concerned, Echo makes the best chainsaw on the market. I can’t even imagine something lasting this long that was purchased today new.
I am also a "Knuckle-Buster" growing up a Farm Kid. I saw TRUE JOY on your face at the confirmation of your no start theory through the deductive reasoning process. I recognized it immediately! If there's a better feeling of satisfaction under heaven... let me know. I've not found it yet! Not many folk find the intersection where passion and calling meet. But you have! Much Obliged for all your efforts to educate and for all the work it takes to share it across the WWWeb.
Be Well Sister!
What a long journey to find the answer. Seems simple when you figure it out after it is all done. Great example of patience and knowledge.
Just turned 71, and I sometime cuss my 460 cause it's so heavy, but I love how it cuts. If I feel lazy, I may pull out the Huskie. But I'll be damned if I will ever use a China Chainsaw! A trick that I recently learned on starting a big Stihl, is a little dash of gas on the air filter. It will help save your shoulder.
That gas trick is the way to go instead of pulling your arm off! Like minds!
spray fuel mix on the filter even helps cranky old vintage Homelites start. I'm an Echo man, and my experience has been they start easier than Stihl. Guess the Stihls are still the best for commercial use as nearly all the tree guys use them.
My absolute favorite is from a wonderful channel who once operated a "Chain Saw" brand chain saw. "Chain saw chain saw" was a top handle saw as I recall.
My brother in law and his neighbor tinker with small engine stuff. He's not into online, social media, internet stuff at all. I told him about your channel and my sister is mad! He watches you on the big screen now!lol Seriously, I've learned so much from your channel. And Steve's! Thanks for doing what you do!
I had one of these chinesium saws and got one tree down and basically went straight to the garbage can. Bought the equivalent saw from Stihl and there is no comparison. Price is obviously much higher but I have cut three trees and various bucking duties left over from the other saw. Still looks and runs like brand new. Love my Stihl.
Like most Chinese made consumer products, you have to consider them disposable. The labor rate to repair doesn't decrease just because you bought a hundred dollar saw. Unfortunately, Stihl has gotten worse over the years with more plastic and Chinese made parts. They're still superior to a Chinese saw but the gap is closing. Plus, buying a knockoff is sending U.S. dollars to China, supporting their economy. Sad.
Guys don’t do enough research to understand they are running a Chinese part saw labeled Stihl at 4x the price. Neotec is apparently trying to make comparable saws at 1/3 the price.
I am surprised at the amount of lawn care products powered by off-brand engines at the box stores! And expensive prices to boot! But to get a known brand engine, it's almost double the price. So it's understandable why places such as yours are getting them in the shop for repair. Home ownership is expensive! Love that you reconditioning old equipment for resale at reasonable cost. To be honest! Repaired products are oftentimes more reliable than the new out of the box. Plus, you know it's in operational condition.
I get rid of flooding on cut off saws ( Stihl TS410 ) By using an air line because you can have a pool of fuel sat in the crankcase, which is hard to get rid of without the use of the air line. Great video as always.
I love to watch you work on equipment. You are so persistent and meticulous even checking on what you had just repaired. Thank you for making my day when you post a video. I know you'll get to the source of the problem. We'll see you next time.
Fun watching you. Pretty mechanic
I bought the Holtzforma clone for the Husky 372 2 years ago for under $200 just for grins and expecting the worst. It runs exactly as good as my original Husky 372 and looks and behaves the same after I had to swap out the bar, sprocket and chain to the same used on the Real 372. The only repair so far was a $6 shut off switch.
I purchased off eBay one of those Red and White 52cc China clones of the Zenoah 5200. It cost $75 with free shipping at that time (2 years ago). Yeah I was expecting a a real piece of crap joke and yeah some aspects of it are. That thing has run like a champ and has already paid for itself five times over. I did install a paper air filter conversion kit upgrade and you have to run it at 32:1 so it smokes. Chains for it are soft and crappy but they are like $8-10. A whole new top end with gasket is around $25, carb $10 ect…
My Stihl MS261 is a much better saw but it did cost $600 8 years ago. God forbid I have to buy any OEM part for it at some point.
Great video. I’ve built a lot of the clone saws for a customer that loves the things. They can be good saws but there is a lot more chasing down little things that don’t have to be done with the name brands. One thing that I’ve always had issues with is the tank vent. The china tank vents close off and will not vent and fill a crankcase full of gas. I usually switch them out for OEM Stihl vents and all is good. Happy wrenching.
I began working in the small engine dept. at the local ACE. I have learned a lot about the proper way to take care of my MS211. Thanks!
I have two of these NS892’s that I bought from Neotec as “project saws” that were returned by customers. One is rebuilt with Hyway piston and cylinder and runs great. The other one is being rebuilt now and had a bent crankshaft. They’re great if you like to work on saws.
What causes a bent crank on a chainsaw...? Hydrolocking?
I LOVE if "if you like to work on saws", only problem unless you are a professional saw mechanic ; you aren't making any money or cutting you any firewood with the saw all torn apart on your work bench.
probably going to look at a few of these for my grandfather since his workers keep blowing up everything they touch anyway 😂
Check out the NeoTec/Farmmac 72cc F380 which is a copy of the 038 Magnum II for under $400. Taiwan made not China, Walbro Carb, Italian ignition, NGK plug ect.
I think the problem is the marvel mystery oil affecting the rubber diaphragm. It has an additive to soften rubber seals Just a thought
Your videos are always great to watch. You are really intuitive as a small engine mechanic. Love how you quickly go through engine troubleshooting checklist to zero in on and fix the problem. Always learn something watching your videos!
Great Job Bre! You handled this repair like a professional. I knew when the customer said he was using the choke to kill the engine that some how it was causing his problems. Great Job finding the misplaced metering diaphragm too. I wish I could take my Stihl MS250 to have you repair it. It leaks all over.
what prevents you from checking your saw yourself? its not rocket sience, its not even a moped. it´s so simple i as an it-guy have dissassembled 2 and reassembled, 2nd pull started. if you are unsure about something, watch a video about that problem.
Love your videos , I am beginning to get a clue as to why my crap won't run . I am no mechanic ,my philosophy of life is that there is no problem that can not be fixed by the use of TNT.....
When I was a Stihl dealer, their advertising slogan was, "A Bargain Is Not A Deal Unless It's A Stihl". Fact.
When the choke is flipped closed while the engine is running anything above an idle, it creates a large vacuum. More than enough to dislodge the diaphragm from the needle lever. So the fact that the kill wire was disconnected explains the malfunction. Stihl chainsaws from way back in the 70's and 80's with Tillotson carbs were known for this, and I used to carry a spare carb kit or diaphragm in my pack when cutting logs. But usually it worked ok to just put it back together. When working as a cutter on the west coast back then we seldom shut the saw off, just kept going until it ran out of gas. Fewer troubles that way.
Interesting! Thanks for the information!
Just a thought, I saw on Steve's Small engine saloon that they make a spiral diaphragm. Would that have worked on this soft or not?
Agree with leaving the saw running. Restarting a warm saw can be tricky. Choke it? Half choke? No choke? You have to find the sweet spot. Every saw is different. And btw- Stihl carbs are all now made in Shenzhen, China. They had a manufacturing plant built there in 2017 or 2018.
I have a Farmertec...similar chinese Stihl clone. It works for occasional use, but you should know how to work on them because a lot more stuff will break than on a genuine stihl. The good news is that you can use real Stihl parts as replacements and eventually have a more reliable saw.
Unfortunately, the Stihl saws (at least the MS series) are now made with mostly Chinese parts. Not sure if the entire saw is made in China. This may be why more people are buying the less expensive Stihl knockoff. Why pay for the Stihl name when the parts are Chinese?
You are right ! These NeoTec/FarmMac saws are made entirely in Taiwan whereas Stihl saws can and do have Chinese made parts. Meanwhile Stihl has been laying off US workers. Everything is so twisted these days and people can’t take 15 minutes to concentrate, read and research anything.
I can buy 4 Neotec/FarmMac 872’s/380’s with 24” Bars for the price of ONE similar size “Pro” MS series Stihl with Chi-Com parts.
@steadyeddie7453 Apparently, even though some Sthil parts are made in China, the quality control is much better. If it wasn't their saws, would be the same POS as the clones are.You really do get what you pay for. Additionally, the clones have a resale value of zero as well as no pride of ownership whatsoever. Not to mention they aren't reliable and can't be trusted to last or not go tits up when you need them the most..If you have the money to blow and want to play around with these things fine, but if money is tight and you need one good saw this aint it. Save up and buy a Husky, Stihl or an Echo. It would be foolish to blow your hard earned money on junk.
I'm gonna buy one of them because there's just not enough hassles in my life. 🤣
That is Funny.!!
C'est rigolo!!! (Et la dame est bien jolie!)
You ever get it? I ordered a holzfforma 660 last night 😂
Lifelong small engine, outboard tech here, two stroke magic!!..Easy on your rotator cuff.., Thanks for posting all these!!
It is very clear you have been doing this for years, Bre! That really is a great saw, with the caveat that it is ONLY great if you have a Chicanic on call to make it right---out of the box and months down the road! Since I live a few states away, I will keep buying factory Stihls.
I have one of them big saw and it’s been trouble free for years. Just a simple maintenance. I love it.
You're the best Bre. The process to analyze an issue is exactly the way it should be done.🤔
Most issues with that saw came from the owner. During the call, the owner was talking about vapor locking. I'm sure the owner made the hole in the gas cap. Also, the owner was using the choke to kill it. I'm sure the owner caused the choke to become stuck and flood the saw all the time.
I'm sure you're right, the vacuum of an 90cc saw pulling on that diaphragm while trying to shut it off pulled the barbed end right out of the needle lever tang. As a 30yr small engine mechanic there hasn't been much I haven't seen a customer cause 😂
Yes she looks amazing pulling that cord.❤
We Learn every day and get free lessons in Mechanical contraptions, I like that you were seriously doing what it takes to fix it. Great work from an Old Mechanic that likes you and your videos.
I’ve been serious in the chainsaw game for a while now and my opinion is: Chinese clone saws are an awesome value IF you know how to rebuild and fix chainsaws. With the clones you have the potential to get a saw comparable with an OEM saw for 1/3 to 1/4 of the price. However, they usually need some tuning at a minimum and many times they will need a seal replaced or some carb parts or a new coil. But in my opinion they are great bargains with just a few OEM parts or some tuning.
It’s still crap from a Chinese company that STOLE all the R&D that Stihl put into it. Anyone who buys one of these deserves all the problems they get. Full stop.
Or you can get a Husky for half the price of the Stihl and just replace consumables....
same here a bargain
or buy an orange color brand name saw which starts with E. and made in a country starting with J.; from saw suppliers or better yet your local servicing dealer. You'll spend all day sawing and not tinkering with pos China junk.
I run 6 Holzfforma saws are my property.
G440, G460, G660, G070, 372xp, g40
Awesome saws for the money.
Lot of power. Once you learn how to run them you will never back to OEM saws
I gave away all my OEM used Stihl for free....
I truly admire your patience and persistent outlook. Many of us would have thrown it.
What a nice vicarious thrill we had to watch you start it on the first pull! Some of a technician's compensation definitely comes from the satisfaction of a properly functioning machine. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and adventures with us.
I have a n892 actually after very minor carb adjustments it out runs my ms462 it must just be a factory mess up.
We cut professionally every day, we use mostly Stihl saws. This is actually like My Old 070 Stihl.
So I bought the Neo Tech 8105 very similar to My Old 090 Saw so far 8 months so good.
Hi Bre, you truly are amazing to have seen the diaphragm out of place. My comment is: I am sure you have worked on many pieces that come in that the customer doesn't tell you that they might have given it a try at home to repair it themselves. I think you might have one of those situations on this repair. What you think? Greetings from Sunny South Carolina.
Agree 100%. When a customer brings me their equipment I ask so many questions that I am probably annoying. But it often reveals important information, like a DIY attempt. So I never assume parts are in the correct places. Then if it's a no start problem I have them try to start it while I watch carefully. Often times they are doing something wrong. And these tiny engines can flood easily so you have to figure out just when to apply and release the choke.
YES. Agree on the that.
hi hubby put me onto your UA-cam at 3am here in New Zealand. Both of us love our tools and repairing old things as well. Unfortunately here, Amazon delivery fees would pay for the World Debt to deliver most items here. So I have the task of buying his crazy tools via TEMU which happens to be a lot cheaper in all aspects and yes at times in the quality of items. But we do love the work you do and what you show and teach. Please keep up the great work and yes I have purchased hubby a new pair of head phones so i do not have a chainsaw going off at full volume in the wee small hours...….. keep it up chick and good on you
One thing I've learned, especially with saws, you get what you pay for. If you buy an off brand or cheap big box store saw, 7 out of 10 you're going to get a pos out of the box, if you get one that works, as soon as you start putting a few hours on it, things go down hill quick and after a couple years you usually end up with a pos. You're better off saving up and just going to a Stihl or Husqvarna dealership and buying a good saw. Even if you plan on using the saw only occasionally, in my opinion, you're still better off.
I agree, I once buy chinese Husqvarna copy as sparesaw if need second saw. it runs but rews are slow so cutting speed too. After one year, all gas pipes were rotten to pieces. I replace them with generic hose but I dont trust that saw, pos, but it cost only 79 euro (85 USD).
I agree with you 100 percent you get what you pay for.
The Chinese have no quality control. They play the odds. My local Stihl dealer has nightmare stories about new saws that won't start. Come to find out the carbs are missing pieces. Again, Stihl carbs are made in Shenzhen, China, no quality control. So the knockoffs are disposable. They might get you through the warranty. If they don't and you take it back, the big box store just writes it off. China wins. If it's out of warranty, you go buy another brand, probably also Chinese. China wins again. Our U.S. $$ are supporting China's economy. But Stihl and Husq make it hard to buy their more expensive equipment when many of their parts are also made in China.
@@steadyeddie7453 damn I thought Stihl saws were supposed to be either made in USA or made in Germany. I don't doubt they use some Chinese parts, the tag will say "MADE IN USA, with foreign and domestic components" in smaller writing. Only time will tell, you will know soon enough when you start putting hours on it. If it's cheap made, it won't hold up for long!
The hell of it all is the saw in this video is made in Taiwan not mainland China. Last time I checked we were friends with Taiwan. NeoTec/Farmmac is trying to up the Clone game with better saws apparently. Check out the FarmMac F380.
Meanwhile Stihl is increasingly using parts produced in China while reducing or laying off the US workforce.
I've learned allot watching your channel. I've recently repaired two of my Stihl trimmers (FS 110, FS 130). Both had lost compression. Carried it to the local dealer and he tried to sell me a new unit.
Got on you tube and learned the 4- strokes have a history of issues with valve adjustment and cam gear separation. One unit (FS 110 only required a valve adjustment, however, the other I had to replace the cam gear. The molded metal cover that cover the fly weight and spring had separated. Now they both run like new. By the way, I found a new (awesome)dealer who told me the truth. He said with proper maintenance these engines are bullet proof.
When that saw started first pull I'm grinning from ear to ear!
I love sorting things
....and watching clever people sort things
I purchased a Neotec 872 but had the ability to take it apart and fix what was not right and then did my own port job on it. The starter rewind failed after 2 starts. The chain oiler was not working. The channel from the tank to pump was clogged with assembly debris. Fixed all that and obtained OEM flip caps and decomp valve and modified the chain adjuster to better tighten the bar. A custom base gasket with .020” squish. A second exhaust port on the muffler. Using Schaeffer’s Supreme 7000 tc-w3 Efree gasoline 32:1. This thing just absolutely performs with authority. Lots of torque. I understand this company continues to improve the quality of the product so units purchased today may be much better than when first released. I know any professional user of a Stihl chainsaw only receives a 3 month warranty with it. FWIW. Great video! Enjoyed.👍
Just received my Farmmac F380W ….quite impressed is my initial impression.
I so enjoyed the look of success on your face when it started on first pull! Great video.
80 tries, patience is a virtue! Great job Bree!
Great video. I’ll give you this, you are dedicated to your skil. Most mechanics would’ve given up long before you fixed it. Thx and keep making videos, Bobby.
I have a 40YO Stihl 036 chain saw. It starts, it idles, it cuts very well. I am very impressed. Can not beat it.😎
Glad you're watching out for us and our power tool needs, Bre!! Thanks for the video!
Thanks so much for your continued support watching! You Rock!
@@Chickanic Believe it or not, your videos are an important part of my schedule! They are not only informative but very entertaining! ❤❤
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Hi lass been watching some of your videos and I have to say your bloody amazing and I love how you doggedly one you’re quest to get stuff fixed,you helped me repair my chainsaw and strimmer many thanks from Yorkshire uk Dave 👍
Great video BREE,I liked the way you explained what you felt the issue was. And how to check for it.The diaphragm part was the most informative.The fingers on the needle lever capture the diaphragm and that what feeds fuel into the cylinder. NOW i finally understand what impulse feed means?So that's one reason when the diaphragm gets HARD it may not run right.that makes so much sense now ,THANK YOU.I want to see more videos where you have problems and try {even if you don't fix the issue}to diagnosis what's wrong.Cause when you learn >we learns thanks Bree.
At first I thought the metering lever was installed backwards because the needle valve end also has a notch to capture the needle valve. But I doubt the saw would even run in the reversed position. And this is the first carb I have seen where the metering diaphragm pin is captured by the metering lever. I would really like to know what brand carb this is. Cheers
After the first couple yrs in the tree business, quit going near, and/ or working on em , if they aren't Echo, Husky, Stihl. Got a Tanaka emergency climbing saw off amazon, used it for a yr or 2, put it under the bench when it had the first problem. 34 yrs using them, makes you crusty. Kudos for you for taking in/ working on junk.
knew a old man who purchased an Tanaka. He loved the saw because it was easy to start. Only one problem, saw got to be maybe three years old dealer could not get parts for it. Dealer quit selling Tanaka after that.
It's simple, people. If you buy a chainsaw made in Sinomanderjing, do not expect the mechanic you didn't buy it from to be pleased to see it when it breaketh!
Don't care'eth!!!!
She provides a repair service and so far she calls it like she sees it. If anything she made she made a mistake was to call it a Stihl clone. Paint isn't everything.
@@snakeboren4814and we found the guy who assembled the carb wrong at the factory..
I see your point. But, on the other hand, he's paid to have it fixed twice. My guess....it will be back.
@@Boga217I don't work at ..A damn factory!!!!
I like your videos. It’s reality watching you investigate issues. Many shop videos are detailed while working on the machine. Thanks. 😊
That was worth waiting for. 10 out of 10 for tenacity. two strokes can be frustrating, And it's good to see an expert having problems as well 🙂
If it’s a 660 copy, the best thing you can do is go with a OEM 660 carb. I went through the same thing with my 460 before I said screw itnd got a OEM carb, and now it runs like a dream.
I was shocked to see you did not use the engine decompressor. It's there for a reason and make the cranking mechanism and your arm to last much longer.
But on a saw prone to flooding, it can make it worse to clear out
Starting technique - I noted that you seem to pull a bit extra pull cord out of the recoil mechanism, then use that extra length to get a slightly longer pull on the recoil. I may just have to try that. Thanks.
other side of the coin is, that's two more repairs in 9 months than my stihl has had in 9 years.
Maybe you should use it. My Chinese 25.4CC deathtrap chainsaw is over 2 years old and hasn't needed any servicing.
high I am 73 and been running 066 660 stilhs bought one off these neotec clones from eBay in Australia a couple of years ago. when it runs its great but in reality its a lemon . I am impressed how you can start that saw without using the decompresser which was faulty from day 1 . the threads into the cylinder were stripped the muffler internals fell apart all the av rubbers fell apart, the chain guard broke ,it leaks bar oil , the fuel cap leaks and for me its a hard starting chainsaw , but I still play with it wondering how long it will actually last . love yours videos
I'm guessing that it was under 100...around 96 pulls? You are amazing at figuring out the problem. I look forward to all of your videos!❤
The customer will be back in the near future for a new pull cord!
My favorite part was the expression of pure joy on your face when it started first pull. I know that feeling of a hard won success.
Thanks again Bre for another great video!! I, myself like the longer videos because it means you go a little more in depth on what you're working on. I would like some v twin riding mower engine vids. Have a great weekend and try to stay cool!!
The obvious pleasure at having solved the problem made my enjoyment of your video even better ! "good jog girl" as they say in the USA.
I'm still concerned about the choke binding and the kill switch issue. Probably related, but it's a safety issue. Any idea why they malfunctioned, and is it probable it'll happen again?
If that's the factory bar on it. Your customer doesn't run it much. Cheap junk
Great channel, you are right on the money with your fuel and the way you toss out the existing.
As a fireman for 35 years, we had fuel issues forever, 20 years ago we started using Aviation gas 100 octane, Low lead!
This is used in ANYTHING using gasoline... Lawn mower to Jaws of life. If our saw or tool doesn't operate, it is NOT from the fuel.. Great show and you truly appear to be a great mechanic! Keep up the entertainment. Larry
Loved the video.
Good diagnosis with a few thrown in. 💪
Good catch on the carb issue. Good attention to details.
Longer videos are great also.
I will stick with my huskies and Stihl. I have had zero problems ever. I do regular maintenance and VP gas/mix
Call it what it is, an inexpensive chainsaw. I've got a Stihl 181 and a very nice 032. A while ago a very large pine tree fell on an almost as large oak tree and blocked my road. Way beyond the ability of the 181 I broke out the 032 and got to work. After about 3 tanks of gas the coil on the 032 gave out which for a 70s saw didn't really surprise me. What did surprise me was the dealer wanted $290.00 for the coil alone! Yikes!! If memory serves me, I paid about the same money to buy the whole saw in 1977. The trees were 40" across so I needed a large cheap saw. I went to the used market and found mostly junk and folks who wanted almost new prices for well-worn but serviceable saws. Amazon to the rescue and I decided to buy a Holtzforma MS660 which is a Stihl clone from China. I'm not going to wax poetic about great a saw it is because in reality it is only adequate. With enough pulls and holding your mouth just right it always starts. It's heavy, poorly balanced with a 36" bar, and, while it may be a clone the parts used that you touch spell CHEAP. Still, it finished the job and has done a couple of others since. If you take the Chinese clone saw for what it is and not what they want you to believe (a Stihl for less money), then I think you will be fine. If dealing with China causes you heartburn, I understand. I wish I could get my 032 running again without paying the cost of a new saw to do so. If I could I never would have paid $372.14 for the Holtzforma with a 36" bar and chain.
There was an amazing amount of persistence in tracking down the real problem.
My biggest worry was that we were about to have a wardrobe malfunction!!!
Ma'am I'm in love watching you start that saw was the prettiest thing I've ever seen. You are one lovely smart lady God bless you and your family. PS your husband is one lucky man.....
Either buy quality or repair your way to poverty!!!
I've repaired alot of small engines. Not my real vocation but if it burns gas I can build it. But on small engines I find it cheaper and more $$$$ efficient to just put new carb on. But I understand content 😊
I like watching your show...
So cool how you never give up and a true mechanic. always gets a thrill out of success. absolutely loved. this video.
She is the difference between a mechanic and a parts changer. I would let her work 'fix" any thing.
It was the carburetor!!! If the gas keeps coming I’m going to the Carburetor 1st. I was expecting debris, maybe sawdust as a culprit. But parts not aligned will do it too.
My other thought is, this machine is not going to last because of poor quality plastics and rubber getting hard and brittle prematurely.
Thanks for making these Videos.
You’re the Best
I love my little polan pro its 15 years old and runs like new, i did have a tuneup 3 years ago
Close to 40 years ago I bought a Honda lawnmower and I could not believe how great it was over everything else I had previously owned. And great on gas too! Since then I have always wondered, does Honda make a chainsaw?
I pressure test every carb before install,I would recommend it
The best thing to do with saws like this is go over the. Saw get OEM parts from Stihl they fit on these newotec saws then the problems are over.
Had one for 10 years still running with my 066 and 038 mag
I missed the vid from 15:25 to 16:20 because I was Cuba Libre chairdancing. Then I danced at 25:45 when the pull start was a WIN. Thanks for all your videos.
Stay gold.
Excellent videos with an equally excellent presenter. At 75 and still using a chainsaw regularly, I just wish I had her flexible knees! :) Many thanks for the enlightenment Chickanic you are a real UA-cam treasure! Rob, FNQ,Au
I have a Remington 20" saw. It was flooded during hurricane Harvey. It took a few hours of spraying WD 40 into the cylinder to flush out mud. Fortunately the carb was spared.
It'll fire up on the 2nd pull every time.
Pretty decent brand with good quality on all the parts.
An easy way to rig something to hold the throttle trigger open, is I have used 2 different things. 1. A loop of house solid 14ga wiring, looped around the handle grip, and slide it up to hold the trigger open. 2. twisty tye .. can do the same thing. Both - can adjust the loop size to adjust the amount you want the throttle to be held open, if not holding WOT. Just a thought. Been doin this for over 40 years..
Hey Chickanic, I dry them out after turn them upside down put the piston down till the exhaust port is open and put your blow nozzle in the sparkplug hole and blow. It seems to dry them out quickly, blow off the plug and its good to go.
When you come across a problem child repair and figure it out it can be exhilarating, and makes you a much better mechanic as half the battle is figuring what is going on in order to figure out how to repair. Intermittent issues is the wrose of the worse, and time being money can be frustrating to deal with. As far as clone machines they have come a tremendous way over the last 10 years, you still get some that are just garbage but the opposite is true some are equal to the top end models quality and reliability wise. A couple of years back i came across a scratch & dent sale where i purchased a little clone 45cc chainsaw, have used it heavily for 2 years now and it has impressed me to date. Only item i have had need to do is adjust the low jet, other than that for $80 it has been a great tool to go along side my other chainsaws. Great little video on diagnosing the issue, only time will tell if the nagging flooding issue is finally solved and some of the other issues may be borne out of this initial fault. Cheers.
I bought the 660 knockoff. It's awesome
You're unsettling! Might be the best familiarity with chainsaws that I've seen.
Update:
Now having watched more of your video, you ARE the best I've seen on chainsaw issues. Wow! Thank you.
I could have told you that a long time ago. I've had many chainsaws in my life, and the most dependable is the Echo brand. The peace of mind you get is worth the price and then some.
They might not be the fanciest, but I love having a saw that STARTS AND RUNS and dont care much about the rest. Hahahha
@@ThisTimeTheWorld I could not agree more! Do I hear an 'Echo'?
@@felixmadison5736 I've got a dolmar that I just threw in the fire pit because I am tired of a hard to start saw with no brand support (they sold out to Makita and now only make battery shits). Echo is hard working and you can get parts and upgrades from Saw Salvage aka Traverse Creek. I just got exhaust cover for a customized weedeater, chainsaw clutch covers, miscellaneous bolts and stuff.
Had a pristine 362 bought as part of a job lot of NERs some years ago that did exactly the same, but more so as it would fill the crank cases. Never figured it despite having the carb apart several times - all good apparently. Put a known good 254 carb on it after emptying it all out (yet again) and it started almost immediately. Tried it cutting and it pulled like a train and plug chops were good. Ran it like that at work every winter for 5 years as my main felling saw with a 16" bar on it. Plenty of power from low revs, and used less fuel than my felling partner's MS260, so never bothered finding out why the original carb was filling the crank cases.
The 'under-carbed' 362 still ran like a train when I asked for a 350 I saw in a skip at the same time as I was getting carpal tunnel symptoms. 350 was lighter and smoother. 4 years on and I'm symptom free and still felling with the 350. I'll dig out the 362 carb and have another look. Thanks for posting.
NER? Not Economically Repairable. NER happens quite a lot with big dealers here in the UK.
An old snowmobile trick is when one gets his 2 stroke flooded, remove the plugs, spray starting ether down in the cylinders, pull and full throttle till it's dry. Clear the plugs with a cig lighter and ride.
mechanic for years until I Just had enoughhhh was on trains. but motors are motors and YOU KNOW YOUR SCHITCK GOOD JOB.
My first chainsaw was a Chinese saw and it had a few issues later on down the track. Later on i end up buying a stihl and never had issues with that for years besides servicing it.