NTOICE! Yes, there is a button that popped up when I looked at the VBox Guest Additions virtual CD that offers to run the software. I didn't see it at the time 'cause I was looking for a pop-up. It doesn't matter anyway, the software would not have run due to several reasons.
Suggestion If you test another OS then do it Live and announce your Live stream to get more viewers. Some interaction and Q & A will be awesome. btw: Why GNOME? Why not something else?
I installed Debian 12 on my main machine yesterday. I'm super happy with the adjustments they have made. One thing they have done is adding a non-free repo. As well as letting me select SDDM for my display manager and giving us a good selection of up to date DE's. And finally, Debian has actual flatpak support,
@@AndersJackson no, actually, drivers are in the linux kernal. What Debian 12 did was move most non-free firmware from the 'non-free' repo to a new 'non-free-firmware' repo. I triple read the release notes which are as follows: "While it's not mentioned explicitly in either the Social Contract or Debian Policy yet, a new archive area was introduced, making it possible to separate non-free firmware from the other non-free packages: non-free-firmware Most non-free firmware packages have been moved from non-free to non-free-firmware in preparation for the Debian 12 release. This clean separation makes it possible to build official installation images with packages from main and from non-free-firmware, without contrib or non-free. In turn, these installation images make it possible to install systems with only main and non-free-firmware, without contrib or non-free"
@@wateryevents960 which was what I said. And yes, firmware is also drivers, downloaded in the device. But yes, the proper name is non-free-firmware and not non-free. So thank you for correcting that.
@@synen less clutter, i believe. Also you can customize many things already at installation which are a bit annoying to set up when the system is already installed. And pipewire.
I think the major thing with this Debian edition is the use of kernel 6+ and the addition of Flatpak and non free repository support out of the box, that means it could be use like a normal daily system for more normal people and not just it guys, developers or network guys, etc.
If you need a "12 things to do just after install" video then it's probably not good for the people Joe thinks about. Which is good, we need more people in the Linux community thinking of the new user or users who don't want to funk around too much.
@@punkrockllama, Yeah, I get it. Here comes the inevitable "but" 🙂 ....BUT...instead of Joe "rushing" through things, if he had just read some of the "instructions" / "information" during the installation some of his questions / gripes may have been answered. It seems like this video, for Joe, was more of a "Oh Debian 12 came out. Interesting. Let's have a look. I haven't uploaded much in a while, so lemme record it as well and put it out as a 'first/quick look' video". Y'know what I mean? Whereas Jay's video (which includes a full installation walkthrough) is more geared as a guide / tutorial. Lemme just be clear, though: There's absolutely nothing wrong with Joe's videos. I'm a long time subscriber. If I didn't like his content, I wouldn't be. I like his off-the-cuff style. I'm grateful for what I've learned from him 🙂 (My initial comment wasn't meant as a dig at him. My comment was more along the lines of, "Oof, he's missed some stuff that may have left a better impression." As mentioned, I happened to watch Jay's videos before Joe's and he explains everything a little better. [And yes, again, I understand that it's different content. I would "argue" though, that it's actually the other way around: Jay's *videos are a guide/tutorial for beginners, Joe's is a "first look".]) * pertaining to Debian 12 specifically, in this case Contrary to "internet/youtube culture", my comment wasn't meant as an insult to Joe. (Joe, if you're reading this, I apologize if it came across that way. It 100% wasn't meant to be 🙂 )
40 gigs, we were going to town. ; ) I probably already told this story, but when I worked at a computer store in the early 90s, people would line up on the day that we got the BIG hard drives in stock again. They were ONE gigabyte and people willingly plopped down one thousand dollars for them.
@anolakes In the 90s, Windoze 95 only required about 55 megabytes of hard drive space to install it. And most programs were that much or less. Yes, it was a ridiculous price to pay back then, but us nerds were hungry for more storage space.
I installed it- ON HARDWARE--- no virtual BULLSHIT for me-- and it's PERFECT.. except it's gnome-- as much as it looks GREAT- it's FAST and would be wonderful if you liked gnome--- I can't stand gnome--and this was my 5th try and I just cna't do it--- shame too, it's GREAT software. I'm going back for the KDE version now... It feels SO solid- and works GREAT for me.
Well you don't have to install gnome, you clearly have the option to select a different desktop. Unfortunately they don't give you the option to select a different init system, for that you need to look elsewhere, like Devuan...
@@freeculture Problem for me is my download speed here is 4 meg- and the service itself- SUCKS-- so NET install is problematic no matter what..... They are to install fiber optics here soon-- the cable is coiled up hanging on the pole now. When they DO- I'll have 500 meg download speed instead of 4 and will have all the choices you spoke of.. safely. Right now-- I don't count on anything that comes across this line!!
why haven't you attempted Synaptic? (Also, when you clicked on the Guest-Addition icon, in the upper right corner was a button that said "Run Software" ---- why not try that? (in file manager)
@@1shARyn3 That button would not have worked... The permissions would still be wrong and the necasary tools to build the driver from source code are not installed on Debian by default. I looked at all up later. :)
I had a lot easier time installing it on hardware, however you actually can install drivers through Gnome software. I try and avoid using the console, not cause I can't use it (I work on AWS Linux servers at work) but because it makes Linux look better to normal people if I show them and explain via a GUI. If I only do console work then no one would listen or attempt to use Linux.
Debian is a solid disto and IMO it is always best close to release . It gets long in the tooth for my taste. I am not sure why VirtualBox remains so popular, KVM works well out of the box.
If I am correct, you have to click the check-mark in the (software & updates) for DFSG and Non-DFSG. In order to install outside drivers, including NVidia drivers & such, if you have a NVidia GPU. Activating these 2 check-marks will open the software store to other downloadable software. Hope that helps. 😋
Thanks for the video, Joe. I installed it yesterday but chose the KDE Plasma DE. I am digging it so far. I actually prefer Arch and Arch-based distros. I saw a review on D12 and decided to give it a go. Debian is a bit of a different animal but I like it. Thank goodness for UA-cam University 🙂
Debian has always had a soft spot in my heart. Started with Ubuntu in about 2005 - when it was based on debian. Had problems and switched to debian and it just worked for me. I have a tech curse where offshoots don't work I have to go to the source. The one exception is Arch.
Debian is not perfect out of the box. However, once you set it up with drivers and codecs and your preferences…. That’s it! It works fast and reliable day after day (at least in my experience)
I hated those days of not even being able to watch a UA-cam video on Linux, the monopoly of flash, and for other applications you needed to install mono or something like that, it was the tool like Microsoft silverlight but for Linux. At least this Debian it's better than Trisquel. Greetings from Chiapas México.
At least this Debian it's better than Trisquel. Wow, high praise indeed. Things must have changed in the Debian community since I was last around - there's no way they'd have accepted a non-free repo enabled out of the box, it was "add it yourself if you want it but don't expect us to help, this is free software and that means "no proprietary blobs"". Been a while since I used Trisquel also, and freeslack (a script for removing proprietary stuff from a vanilla Slackware install).
My first computer: Tandy 1000, 20mb hard drive running at 7 MHz. I added a 286 excelerator board that ran at 12MHz How things have changed. I can still smell it.
How would you go about building a system from scratch using tiny core ??? I don't see many gurus speaking about or even mentioning tinycore...I'm still learning this linux world what an intriguing journey
That's not exactly a mainstream distro. I find it's best to start with an easy to use Linux flavor with a large community around it to help you when you run into problems.
Hi Joe, hello guys. I also stumble upon installation of those virtualbox drivers. Such a problem started at least from Debian 11, or maybe even earlier. But I have found a way around. I made a full copy of /media/cdrom to a home folder and after it runs as it should. Try and enjoy! ;-)
I think the reason it will not run from the virtual CD is because there are insufficient privileges with that device in Debian or the user has to be a part of cdrom group. This is standard on most other distros and you never have to think about it. :)
@@EzeeLinux I just checked. I am the part of cdrom group. and I have no idea why it doesn't work. On the bright sight, this is, probably, the only thing which doesn't work in Debian... :)
I try to installed Linux book worm I record your walk thru and it installed no name the password nothing happen I delete it. I guess its not for me. Joe your a great teacher
@@waynefoutz No, it has nothing to do with resolution... The drivers enable the VM to be audtosacled when changing the window size and they also allow for things like file sharing and clipboard sharing. They were NOT working in this video at all. :)
This was for fun... No need to be a dick about it. But, it certainly brings to light how needlessly cryptic Debian is and how little they invest in trying to make it easy for new users. This is why we have Ubuntu and Linux Mint.
Debian 11 worked good for me, but Debian 12 didn't, Firefox and few other apps took lot of time to open ., BTW I have core 2 duo processor and ssd so can't complain much, I'm going to miss Debian.. 😢.., Installed Void Linux and it's working great .. 😊 but need to relearn many things and it's Documentation is also very good 👍
NTOICE! Yes, there is a button that popped up when I looked at the VBox Guest Additions virtual CD that offers to run the software. I didn't see it at the time 'cause I was looking for a pop-up. It doesn't matter anyway, the software would not have run due to several reasons.
Suggestion
If you test another OS then do it Live and announce your Live stream to get more viewers.
Some interaction and Q & A will be awesome.
btw: Why GNOME? Why not something else?
@@andyspark5192 I pciked GNOME 'cause it was the default.
I installed Debian 12 on my main machine yesterday. I'm super happy with the adjustments they have made. One thing they have done is adding a non-free repo. As well as letting me select SDDM for my display manager and giving us a good selection of up to date DE's. And finally, Debian has actual flatpak support,
It uses the Calamares installer.
Actually, it is only added non free drivers, not the non free repo, with non free software.
@@AndersJackson no, actually, drivers are in the linux kernal. What Debian 12 did was move most non-free firmware from the 'non-free' repo to a new 'non-free-firmware' repo. I triple read the release notes which are as follows:
"While it's not mentioned explicitly in either the Social Contract or Debian Policy yet, a new archive area was introduced, making it possible to separate non-free firmware from the other non-free packages:
non-free-firmware
Most non-free firmware packages have been moved from non-free to non-free-firmware in preparation for the Debian 12 release. This clean separation makes it possible to build official installation images with packages from main and from non-free-firmware, without contrib or non-free. In turn, these installation images make it possible to install systems with only main and non-free-firmware, without contrib or non-free"
@@wateryevents960 which was what I said.
And yes, firmware is also drivers, downloaded in the device.
But yes, the proper name is non-free-firmware and not non-free.
So thank you for correcting that.
for Ubuntu users who having looking to jump ship to Debian, now is the time this Debian release is simply amazing
Newbie here, aside from stability, what else is great about it?
@@synen less clutter, i believe. Also you can customize many things already at installation which are a bit annoying to set up when the system is already installed. And pipewire.
@@synenTHE DOCUMENTATION. Its night and day when compared to ubuntu.
LOL my 1st computer came in a box about the size of my bathroom and printed on large letters on the side it said "Massive 30MB Hard Drive".
I think the major thing with this Debian edition is the use of kernel 6+ and the addition of Flatpak and non free repository support out of the box, that means it could be use like a normal daily system for more normal people and not just it guys, developers or network guys, etc.
Non free repository isn't activated from start. Non free firmware is activated from start. Neither non free or contribe.
After watching "Learn Linux TV" 's video on "Debain 12 - The first 12 things you should do after installation!" ...this was hard to watch.
Jay doesn't have the guts to install something live without knowing anything about it. LOL :)
He make it look smooth and effortlessly.
@@Whoknowsthatman Because it is heavily edited, I suspect.
If you need a "12 things to do just after install" video then it's probably not good for the people Joe thinks about. Which is good, we need more people in the Linux community thinking of the new user or users who don't want to funk around too much.
@@punkrockllama,
Yeah, I get it. Here comes the inevitable "but" 🙂 ....BUT...instead of Joe "rushing" through things, if he had just read some of the "instructions" / "information" during the installation some of his questions / gripes may have been answered. It seems like this video, for Joe, was more of a "Oh Debian 12 came out. Interesting. Let's have a look. I haven't uploaded much in a while, so lemme record it as well and put it out as a 'first/quick look' video". Y'know what I mean? Whereas Jay's video (which includes a full installation walkthrough) is more geared as a guide / tutorial.
Lemme just be clear, though: There's absolutely nothing wrong with Joe's videos. I'm a long time subscriber. If I didn't like his content, I wouldn't be. I like his off-the-cuff style. I'm grateful for what I've learned from him 🙂 (My initial comment wasn't meant as a dig at him. My comment was more along the lines of, "Oof, he's missed some stuff that may have left a better impression." As mentioned, I happened to watch Jay's videos before Joe's and he explains everything a little better. [And yes, again, I understand that it's different content. I would "argue" though, that it's actually the other way around: Jay's *videos are a guide/tutorial for beginners, Joe's is a "first look".])
* pertaining to Debian 12 specifically, in this case
Contrary to "internet/youtube culture", my comment wasn't meant as an insult to Joe.
(Joe, if you're reading this, I apologize if it came across that way. It 100% wasn't meant to be 🙂 )
40 gigs, we were going to town. ; )
I probably already told this story, but when I worked at a computer store in the early 90s, people would line up on the
day that we got the BIG hard drives in stock again. They were ONE gigabyte and people willingly plopped down one thousand dollars for them.
Yup! :)
@anolakes In the 90s, Windoze 95 only required about 55 megabytes of hard drive space to install it. And most programs were that much or less. Yes, it was a ridiculous price to pay back then, but us nerds were hungry for more storage space.
I upgraded my server in-place from Debian 11 to Debian 12. There were no issues.
What additional size did it took on the hdd? If any?
@@MrTon4eff There was no noticable increase of HDD usage
I installed it- ON HARDWARE--- no virtual BULLSHIT for me-- and it's PERFECT.. except it's gnome-- as much as it looks GREAT- it's FAST and would be wonderful if you liked gnome--- I can't stand gnome--and this was my 5th try and I just cna't do it--- shame too, it's GREAT software. I'm going back for the KDE version now... It feels SO solid- and works GREAT for me.
Well you don't have to install gnome, you clearly have the option to select a different desktop. Unfortunately they don't give you the option to select a different init system, for that you need to look elsewhere, like Devuan...
@@freeculture Problem for me is my download speed here is 4 meg- and the service itself- SUCKS-- so NET install is problematic no matter what..... They are to install fiber optics here soon-- the cable is coiled up hanging on the pole now. When they DO- I'll have 500 meg download speed instead of 4 and will have all the choices you spoke of.. safely. Right now-- I don't count on anything that comes across this line!!
@@freeculture You can install them all if you wanted too😉
Just loved this warts and all video, and had to come back to it + the follow-up!
Hm, you have done a Linus now, have you not? 🙂
why haven't you attempted Synaptic?
(Also, when you clicked on the Guest-Addition icon, in the upper right corner was a button that said "Run Software" ---- why not try that? (in file manager)
I did not see that button at all. I was looking for a pop-up. As for synaptic, if I can't find it from the terminal, it ain't gonna be in Synaptic.
@@EzeeLinux The button is around time-stamp 27:30 - 28:05
@@1shARyn3 That button would not have worked... The permissions would still be wrong and the necasary tools to build the driver from source code are not installed on Debian by default. I looked at all up later. :)
It's my understanding that the Gnome software store doesn't usually feature CLI applications.
I had a lot easier time installing it on hardware, however you actually can install drivers through Gnome software. I try and avoid using the console, not cause I can't use it (I work on AWS Linux servers at work) but because it makes Linux look better to normal people if I show them and explain via a GUI. If I only do console work then no one would listen or attempt to use Linux.
Debian is a solid disto and IMO it is always best close to release . It gets long in the tooth for my taste.
I am not sure why VirtualBox remains so popular, KVM works well out of the box.
Because it has a pretty ui, and it uses the kvm module iirc. qemu is more capable, especially when you are in a foreign architecture...
If I am correct, you have to click the check-mark in the (software & updates) for DFSG and Non-DFSG.
In order to install outside drivers, including NVidia drivers & such, if you have a NVidia GPU. Activating these 2 check-marks will open the software store to other downloadable software.
Hope that helps. 😋
I read nothing before going this. There was no cue from the developers about adding anything.
Thanks for the video, Joe. I installed it yesterday but chose the KDE Plasma DE. I am digging it so far. I actually prefer Arch and Arch-based distros. I saw a review on D12 and decided to give it a go. Debian is a bit of a different animal but I like it. Thank goodness for UA-cam University 🙂
Debian has always had a soft spot in my heart.
Started with Ubuntu in about 2005 - when it was based on debian. Had problems and switched to debian and it just worked for me. I have a tech curse where offshoots don't work I have to go to the source. The one exception is Arch.
You should have added the nonfree and contrib repositories in software sources. Debian doesn't add nonfree software by default, if it can be helped.
i appreciate debian as a server but as a desktop i find it very frustrating.
Debian is not perfect out of the box. However, once you set it up with drivers and codecs and your preferences…. That’s it! It works fast and reliable day after day (at least in my experience)
I have Debian 12 running as sweet as a nut on my Dell laptop and also the KDE version on my old HP laptop
I too run Debian on my computers -- Xfce on my desktop box and Openbox on my laptop.
Joe greetings from Chiapas MEXICO.
A quick question, how do you get in and out of scale mode?
Say hello to the Kittie.
Use the right CTRL key and C to switch in and out of scale mode. :)
@@EzeeLinux thank you for answering Joe, have a nice Monday
I hated those days of not even being able to watch a UA-cam video on Linux, the monopoly of flash, and for other applications you needed to install mono or something like that, it was the tool like Microsoft silverlight but for Linux.
At least this Debian it's better than Trisquel.
Greetings from Chiapas México.
At least this Debian it's better than Trisquel.
Wow, high praise indeed.
Things must have changed in the Debian community since I was last around - there's no way they'd have accepted a non-free repo enabled out of the box, it was "add it yourself if you want it but don't expect us to help, this is free software and that means "no proprietary blobs"".
Been a while since I used Trisquel also, and freeslack (a script for removing proprietary stuff from a vanilla Slackware install).
My first computer: Tandy 1000, 20mb hard drive running at 7 MHz. I added a 286 excelerator board that ran at 12MHz How things have changed. I can still smell it.
bro it looks like some of the options are bootstrap designed ?
GNOMe likes its rounded corners. I think it's made in JavaScript, thought I'm not sure it uses Bootstrap
The issue is that the files didn't have the execute permission set. You could fix it with chmod +x $FILE.
Debian is awesome many new features but definitely still true to core Debian way of doing things 😅
I am actually testing the last Manjaro and it"s OK.....
How would you go about building a system from scratch using tiny core ??? I don't see many gurus speaking about or even mentioning tinycore...I'm still learning this linux world what an intriguing journey
That's not exactly a mainstream distro. I find it's best to start with an easy to use Linux flavor with a large community around it to help you when you run into problems.
Hi Joe, hello guys. I also stumble upon installation of those virtualbox drivers. Such a problem started at least from Debian 11, or maybe even earlier. But I have found a way around. I made a full copy of /media/cdrom to a home folder and after it runs as it should. Try and enjoy! ;-)
I think the reason it will not run from the virtual CD is because there are insufficient privileges with that device in Debian or the user has to be a part of cdrom group. This is standard on most other distros and you never have to think about it. :)
@@EzeeLinux I just checked. I am the part of cdrom group. and I have no idea why it doesn't work. On the bright sight, this is, probably, the only thing which doesn't work in Debian... :)
I try to installed Linux book worm I record your walk thru and it installed no name the password nothing happen I delete it.
I guess its not for me. Joe your a great teacher
You couldn't install the guest additions because they're installed out of the box. All you had to do was set the resolution to match your monitor
Nope. That's not how it works. :)
@@EzeeLinuxvirtualbox, yes it does. I was able to put the resolution at 1980p out of the box
@@waynefoutz No, it has nothing to do with resolution... The drivers enable the VM to be audtosacled when changing the window size and they also allow for things like file sharing and clipboard sharing. They were NOT working in this video at all. :)
these days 40 gig is nothing
Just stick with linux mint and enjoy memory leeks all the time when reading a bit about how to use debian is too much, they did it for free right?
This was for fun... No need to be a dick about it. But, it certainly brings to light how needlessly cryptic Debian is and how little they invest in trying to make it easy for new users. This is why we have Ubuntu and Linux Mint.
Warning: Some reading required 🙂
Debian 11 worked good for me, but Debian 12 didn't, Firefox and few other apps took lot of time to open ., BTW I have core 2 duo processor and ssd so can't complain much, I'm going to miss Debian.. 😢.., Installed Void Linux and it's working great .. 😊 but need to relearn many things and it's Documentation is also very good 👍
That is a very good distro netbsd inspired, but its lacking in packages. You made a good choice, maybe try getting flatpack or similar there.
Regarding the problem with running the script I don’t know, but a Read-only filesystem mounted perhaps?
Super Secret (USR) password: "I_am_Joe"
Nope. :)
abc123 😄
@@jimmyrichards5595 except he entered 8 characters
@@1shARyn3 I was just being jocular, my attempt at a little levity
How about: abcd1234