I have been using Debian for 22 years and love it. I always burn a net install dvd and never had a problem but I always install to hardware. I use the Mate desktop and so far Bookworm is working out fine.
After over 10 years I dropped Ubuntu. Something seems very weird when Windows 11 performs much faster on an "unofficially supported" machine than Ubuntu. Ubuntu looks great but ultimately disappointing. Debian stable has always been solid. For now, it's Chrome OS and Mint because they are fast and just work.
@@adityadeva9 My guess is 11 is smaller than 10 and they improved memory and cpu usage even for older hardware. 11 is amazing on older computers. 3 installs, 3 oh wow"s!
Hey Joe these crazy videos I have missed and am glad your back doin them again it great watching and hopefully we out here learn something but yea keep the craziness up lol
I have both LMDE and Debian Cinnamon running around... can say that honestly LMDE does a much cleaner job (which makes sense coming from the Mint Team) but I learn alot more toying with Debian than Mint.
Joe, I don't find watching someone's pain enjoyable, but I did appreciate your efforts with Debian. Note that I've had Debian installation issues in the past and totally understand. I find the folks at MX Linux (based on Debian) have done things that seem to work for me and continue to use it as my daily driver as long as MX Linux stays in the game. The folks at MX Linux have been very helpful with questions. I know I am not in the same league as you with Linux (you've helped me in the past with questions I had) and really appreciate all your linux videos as well as all your audiophile videos. ---jim
I'm currently using Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop. In the past I have looked several other distributions, but I like Mint the best. If Ubuntu went away, I would look at Mint LMDE and MX Linux. My one concern with switching from Ubuntu-based Mint is the lack of PPA's. I use several applications that I get via PPA's that are not in the Mint repository. There may be another way to get the application, but I would have to do some research to find out how to get them. At least one of them is in the MX Linux repository, so that would be a leading candidate.
Ubuntu is NEVER going away. The Ubuntu community is by far the largest Linux distro community out there. And it's one of the most well funded distros. So you can rest assured that it's NEVER going anywhere.
" Why not watch Learn Linux TV " first and then install? Joe attempted to install the OS the way I actually would attempt it because I just don't know any better or I've never heard of Learn Linux TV. This method of teaching is very effective! I first transitioned from Windows after watching Chris Titus doing the same and videoing his struggles in real time for a whole month. The one huge takeaway was that he discovered that the majority of his difficulties stemmed from trying to make Linux work like Windows! I have tried to express to Chris how encouraging that was and how grateful I am now 4 years in. I first realized that I would have to learn Linux, when Microsoft decided to obsolete my machines! I am also grateful to Joe, and Jay, and anyone who wants to share their knowledge just because they love to teach! I'm also that kind of teacher, so I get it!
FYI: EndeavorOS is a revival of the old Antergos distro. I think it's based on Arch. Anyway, haven't tried out Debian 12 yet, but I've run Debian 11 and have been quite satisfied with it in the past. As long as I could get it running well on my equipment, that's probably where I would go, ether that or LMDE.
That was a great video! Thank you! I would really like to see more 'blind date with' - videos. I personally learn more from seeing people making mistakes and then find out and correct them. Slick and well prepared videos also have a tendency to skip caveats most people fall into. So keep up the god work!
I never used Linux for my entire life before, installed Debian 11 couple months ago as my first distro (to use full-time, I wanted to ditch windows forever) and I thought it was pretty easy to get going and get everything I needed. I updated to 12 and it is even better, now without that confusion about drivers on setup I really don't think debian is bad for new users at all.
I honestly have no idea how people find the Debian installer confusing or hard. Is it pretty? No, but that should not prevent anyone from installing it.
I use Debian since Debian 10. There was some learning required, but, after that, smooth sailing…especially when I upgraded from Debian 10 to Debian 11 without reinstalling.
My big Dell tower runs Linux Mint( Ubuntu based),MX Linux(Debian based) and Fedora,my Dell laptop runs Debian,the Think Pad runs Fedora,the HP runs Debian,my Macbook runs MX Linux and lastly my Dell Optiplex runs Linux Mint Debian Edition.The differences between both versions of Linux Mint are negligible and it would not worry me at all if the Ubuntu variant went bit the dust.Sparky Linux uses Debian Testing on one of their versions and that runs really well and is as up to date as any Ubuntu distro.Good videos though Joe and after all you use what ever suits you best in the Linux world.I use Arch when the mood takes me and also BSD from time to time.Peace to all.
I've noticed that the latest guest additions (June 2023) aren't working properly for me on Ubuntu and Windows virtualbox. I haven't had time to fiddle with it to find out why yet.
To answer the ubuntu question. I would move to Debian and just use flatpak for things I need to keep current. As long as I can manage the system with Ansible it really does not matter distro not including ARCH that is a rant for another video.
500M RAM at boot is the minimum I can get in a VM with Debian/LXQt/Openbox. Used to be sub 300 with 11. Can it go any lower and still having a modern desktop experience?
i started using debian for the same reason i stayed using linux, community involvement in its development. linux just like debian are projects, ubuntu is a product. while i have nothing against what canonical is doing, i rest easier knowing a community of people are at the helm instead of a company of paid employees. with that said canonical contributions can't be understated and i don't see any reason why both can't/shouldn't exist.
So I publicly stand corrected. All is well. I was following along on my machine while watching your video and my only goal was to get set the resolution to native, so I figured maybe the driver was installed during the installation. I did manage to run the script on the guest additions CD, and it broke the install. So did anyone figure out how to get them installed? I installed it again, and have been farting around with it without the guest additions. As far as your question, what would I do without Ubuntu, I haven't ran Ubuntu in years. MANJARO has been my go to for a while now. I really enjoyed your video the other day. Keep them coming! Fact is, I've been away from Linux for about ten years. I used it exclusively from about 2006 to 2018, then I retired and took up an interest in gaming, and started running Winblows for a bit. Lots has changed since then. For instance, the last time I installed a VM, the resolution was stuck at 640x480 until you installed the guest additions.. Everyone have an awesome day😊.
Thank you for your time and these two videos on Debian. I'm on Fedora right now but looking forward to Debian-based Mint, especially after all that recent Redhat activity. OG Debian is not my thing at least for now since I'm not proficient enough with Linux. I also had similar problems with my Debian 12 VirtualBox installation.
For my HP computer I don't think I could go to straight Debian because there is a video bug. But I have found that MX Linux works when I switch the Kernel from the Debian one to the Antix one.
For me, I'm running Debian 12 Bookworm on my 12 year old ThinkCentre and my 8 year old Dell Latitude Laptop. I ran Kubuntu for awhile and then heard about the drama with Red Hat and the stuff Canonical is shoving down our throats with mandatory snaps and such. So I said screw it and went to the source with Debian 12. I haven't looked back and I'm happy with what I've got. I use the GNOME desktop because KDE (for me) has always been a buggy mess. Keep up the great work, Joe. Look forward to hearing from ya in more videos. Peace.
Joe, I have been using Linux Mint since 2018 and have gone from 18.3 to 19.3 to 21.1 over these past few years. I do have a laptop that is running LMDE 5 as well. I have a Win10 VM to play 1 game from 2002 that still requires a CD in a drive and won't work from an ISO image file. I have really enjoyed all the time I have spent on Linux Mint even some of the craziness to play WoW, Diablo, and Star Wars the Old Republic on Linux. Thanks for all you do.
Just made the switch from Ubuntu 20.04 LTS to LMDE 5, mostly because I could never get Ubuntu to trigger the upgrade . . . and I watched your LMDE 5 video!
I am currently running kubuntu, though I have been looking at other distros due to the whole flatpak thing with the flavors. The distro that I would probably go to is Fedora. I like that they support flatpak, they run the latest stable kernel, and they have cinnamon as a desktop environment. In the end, I need a system that works without too much tinkering
Hi Joe, enjoyed your comments, as a Ubuntu user for many years, going back through my CD;s from about 12 up to 22.04, Ubuntu's change from flatpak to snaps annoys me greatly, while I understand the security aspect, the speed of updates is very remiss. I also do a lot of amature work with Arduino micro controllers, since I upgraded to 22.04 the usb ports are no longer active in these IDE's and afterf many hours of seaching and trying various methods to correct this problem I suspect that this is a permissions issue. Any help with this issue would be very welcome. I have followed you since Iimplented your solution for a graphic card I had in an earlier Ubuntu release. Keep up the good work, and continue to tell it as it is ! ChrisC
Isn't Debian mainly used for Servers? Which would explain the stability, and the low updating and old (trusted) software? Also how would you compare this Debian install with Arch Linux? p.s. I use Linux Mint and have been a devoted Linux user for about 7 years or so. I started using it after my Windows 7 became unusable.
Flat packs are a game changer for Debian, in my opinion. You can have a stable base and up to date software at the same time.. Best of both worlds. That's what I find interesting about it.
currently using LMDE5. no complaints so far. I started on Ubuntu 12, distro hopped until I got to know mint and stuck with it. using mint for 7 years straight now.
Last two comments (viichrsvii & tannenquitar) came from really really funny/ bitter people, or they don't English. Your title screamed 'blind date with Debian' - I wonder what that means ?! Geez, I thought it meant jumping in without any research / preparation, doesn't it ? P.S. I use Fedora anyway, although my sis is a Ubuntu fan (no idea why 🤪), so I would let her decide if Ubuntu goes away (ever).
Joe, you do have a point about Debian being rather cryptic (and maybe a bit obtuse). FWIW, Slackware is another of the longstanding distros and it is also cryptic and obtuse. With a bunch of work, either can be adapted to be user friendly. There are a few Debian derivatives besides Ubuntu and Mint which have worked out the kinks. MX is nice and so is Siduction - lean and sensibly set up. Raw Debian and Slackware are a pain...
I started with SuSE 9.0, which was just before Novell bought it. When Arch came out, the thought of rolling releases piqued my interest and made the switch. After openSUSE came out with Tumbleweed, I gave it a bit of time to mature and moved back. I love Tumbleweed. I find it to be just as fresh as Arch, but a bit more stable. We don't have to worry about the Manjaro devs breaking it. I thought I would miss the AUR, but I have had no need of any package that I could not find. I even have it setup running Steam and gaming with it. I have the proprietary nVidia drivers running and run X-11/Plasma. There are only a couple of things that are keeping me from switching over completely to Wayland/Plasma, but it is getting very close.
after starting with linux mint and using it for several years while testing other distros within virtual machines i finally switched to void linux because i wanted a more recent package base and also didn't want to deal with the cluttered AUR on arch or all the nonsense you have to deal with when using these container formats like snap or flatpak which is kinda unavoidable on point release distros. i'm pretty sure i won't comeback anytime soon
Flatpaks has justified my use of Debian. No longer are browsers and other critical apps outdated. I just install the flatpaks for that I want more current version.
Using MX 21-3 based on Debian 11.7 and it works well for me. No wait for critical updates and more access to software than with traditional Debian. It's also, probably, the fastest running OS on this system despite Linux Mint is on a spinning drive and this is on an SSD.
I use Mint on my desktop and I find it works very well. Currently evaluating Fedora, might switch to that at some point - we'll see. Using Red Hat on my server because that's what we use at work and I've mirrored that setup to make things (so much) easier. I also have a separate Windows 10 machine for gaming and some media stuff, because it just works. I don't like tinkering, things should "just work". ;)
I was a loyal Ubuntu user since 2012, until Canonical started with the snap shenanigans, so I switched over to Fedora. Now the Red Hat shenanigans are making me rethink my decision. After all the hype around Debian 12, I decided to install it myself (without prior research) and ran into issues just like you did. Why is it so hard to install? Not a great experience.
I think it's great that you would approach installing Debian with an open mind with a "let's see what happens" approach. That's my approach too. It makes it a fun thing. These trolls just don't get it.
I made a reply on the last, with Debian suggestions, but I hope you didn’t think I was being rude at all - you earned MY sub from that video… Debian is awesome for servers; hosting production ‘things’ that need to be up for years at a time. I love D12 b/c they did well at providing up-to-date window managers and now allow non-free packages at install. (Wifi, Nvidia, etc.) - I think it’s a great choice so long as users utilize Flatpak for other packages that aren’t as new. (Livreoffice, Firefox, etc.) Cheers - I’ll watch WHATEVER you choose to create.
Um, about the domain thing. It's because debain mainly used for servers not desktops. Also, the reason why there is such a gap between releases is because mainly use in a server environment. Now you can use it as a desktop if you want to. I use it on my laptop and it runs well.
I've been using Fedora for the past 2 years and I absolutely love it. My Windows 10 and 11 installs on my laptop kept freezing, so I decided to install Fedora to host Windows in a virtual machine. Fedora runs way better than windows did on my laptop, I even get an extra 2-3 hours of battery life with it. I'm curious about trying out Debian but Fedora has been so solid for me, that I kind of don't see the point for me to switch over lol
I'm using Ubuntu on two PC's and a server. The server is registered for a pro account. The information they needed gave me no pain. I like the quick security updates for the server. If they would stop I would probably switch to Debian, yes I also saw Jay's video. Looked easy enough.
What alot of people seems to forget is that "Learn Linux TV" (almost) always tests software on real maschine, and NOT on a VM. I think that mater's. Great job!
If Ubuntu went kablooey, I would be okay. I'm currently using LMDE5 as my main server and MXLinux on my laptop with some raspberry pis running Raspbian or RaspberryPi_OS which is all Debian Based.
Years ago i put Mint Cinnamon on parents PC. Myself Mint Xfce on 32 bit Notebook. For my birthday i bought new Acer. Tried Mint. Secure boot issues. Had idea how to fix it, but wasn't sure. Looked it up. It was correct. Can boot the Live now, but touch doesn't work and WLAN hardware not supported. There are solution on the forum, but ... Why Zorin and MX can keep ISO up to date, but Mint can't? New Mint should be available end of June.
I haven't used Mint in a while, so I might be misremembering this but I think I remember that Mint waits a few months after the Ubuntu LTS release so that any bugs from the new LTS release are patched.
@@totallyrealcat4800 from their page "The development cycle for Linux Mint 21.2 was closed a few days ago. Most of the projects have been tagged, built and added to the repositories for the upcoming release." now i'm waiting
As a long time Linux user since 1998, I have done the "distro dance" many many times. I started out with RedHat, then Gentoo, Mandrake, SUSE, Debian, Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS, Mint and a few others I've forgotten over the years. Linux Mint 17 was my last Ubuntu based distro, but for the last 5 years I've been using Q4OS which is Debian based. Q4OS uses KDE Plasma desktop which over time I've come to prefer, and I show no signs of wanting to move away from it. They also have the TDE desktop, which is the old KDE3 series desktop for older computers. Being Debian based, it has all the software I need. I use my computer mostly for analogue to digital video capture and editing, and my Blackmagic capture and playback cards are all supported by Blackmagic for Debian based distros.
Virtualbox is a oracle project..... And with how they treat java.... I don't anticipate much progress in that arena as far as a truly oss and non-corporate motive backed .. gnome boxes and libvirtt tho... So far so good? Altho that does tie you to GTK
Yes, Debian doesn't care for commercial software. At least not to be slick. And that extension isn't free. .That is why Debian isn't distributing VirtualBox. The last I do agree about your answer to last comment
For one, I don't use Ubuntu DE. I do have 2 Ubuntu servers (going to be Debian soon). Yes I have seen the damn Ubuntu ADD thing in the Server update screen! Peeded me off! If Ubuntu went poof? I would never know, I run mostly Arch and 2 Debian installs of EzOS by Eznix. They both tickle my need for "I need the latest and greatest!" and "Man I need Stable!"... Lol So bye bye Ubuntu! Don't Care... Love the "New User" corn ball way of doing things videos. I seen what you were doing in the last video and had a good time watching even though I know the answer... Hahahahaha LLAP 🖖
Joe, as an old "dabbler" in broadcast radio, I love nearly all of your videos, thank you for sharing them. I want to make one pushback here, and then support a couple of other things you've said. A. Perhaps Debian does make their default installer "cryptic", but you might want to note that for a couple of years now, their live cd iso images have all featured the Calamares installer, which is vastly easier and quicker than the normal Debian installer. I prefer the old school version, which I see less as cryptic than as giving me an abundance of choices and settings I can control. But fair play, for those wishing elsewise, do try out the life cd isos, which come in every--or nearly so--desktop flavor that the regular install offers. These live versions also make dandy little rescue or portable disks, too, of course. B. Bravo re those who suggest that anything free is somehow exempt from criticism. If I was offered a sample from a candy store--for FREE--and they gave me a truffle made of dog crap, I would feel FREE to complain loudly, and perhaps vehemently. There is a corollary that existed on a linux forum in which I contributed long form writing some years ago, that devs always deserve to be complimented, because they work hard. Like you saying not to be abusive in forums, I agree they deserve credit for hard work; but if the fruits of that labour are rotten, they do not deserve a papal indulgence for making dreck. C. YES, more websites like Distro Watch need not to surrender to redesign to kowtow to mobile devices! D. The only issue I have with your wing it videos compared to guys like Jay's nearly obsessive research is that you are visited by a lot of newcomers who take what they see and hear here as gospel, and if you hit a speed bump and criticize something that later you discover was possible, they might not realize that. However, follow up videos like this one go a good deal towards answering this concern, thank you. E. Just for your radio side, I technically hold the record for the shortest-lived sports radio call in show in history, which ran as a part of another show in 1973 or '74 on KSLQ-FM in St. Louis (Clayton), MO. True!
I enjoy a mixture of Linux Mint, Debian, Pop OS and Chrome OS. They each serve their purpose. On the same coin I do appreciate seeing other people's experiences with Linux. I personally can't get Fedora or Arch Linux to work for me at all (or last any amount of time without breaking). Linux Mint and LMDE have both served me the best with very few errors. I do admit that Debian could be easier to use, though Debian 12 really is the best version they have ever come out with. They could do better but progress is still progress. If you think about it if Debian was perfect why would we need other distros?
It is interesting where Canonical is heading at this point... Well: if Ubuntu were to not be distributed anymore now or whichever day it may be: I would be either on Debian (as I should) or OpenSUSE (the distribution I was using as of the day this comment was typed).
I only like Kubuntu and Ubuntu Mate, so I'd probably go with Linux Mint Debian Edition. Endeavor is Arch-based, "successor" to Antergos. I really liked Antergos. Sad to see it go.
Sometime ago, I was using Linux Mint Debian. While I was working, need to be connected to the office throught an app, and listening to the music, after some hours of usw, the Mint started to get slower, slower and slower, like it were Windows. I installed Mint LTS, it was better but after some hours of using it, it got slower, very slower, I guess a memory leak problem. So I came across Salix 14.5! It is perfect, it runs smoothly after hours of use. Still using it, cant code using Python 3.9 but well, it works. Now, I tried Debian 12, it is nice but I mesure the performance using Top and Sensors at same time. The temperature of this PC with Salix is about 45 Celsius, with Debian... 60 to 70!!! Well... still using Salix 14.5.
19:44 I already daily drive Arch Linux and recently I installed Debian 12 on a separate drive for a stable operating system if anything were to happen to my Arch Linux installation. Sadly these are both more up to date than Linux Mint, this normally wouldn’t be an issue except for the fact I splurged and bought all brand new hardware recently.
I'm using Zorin OS which is Ubuntu based. If Ubuntu went away, I would use MX Linux (Debian based). And if Debian went away, maybe Nobara (Fedora based).
People "not in the Linux world" are using VirtualBox? I'm not a true Linux user. I'm a long time windows user. Windows Hyper-V comes with Win10 and 11 and setting up Linux machines is easy. While Debian 11 would install as a Gen1 (BIOS) system, I had to setup Debian 12 using a Gen2 (EUFI) with SecureBoot disabled. Once I figured that out it installed without problem. I installed it with Gnome, XFCE and Plasma desktops and can easily switch between them. I have FlatPak setup too. Setting display resolution on a Hyper-V Linux install is SUPER easy with one simple PowerShell command.
Joe you don't have to be a dick about it.🤣🤣🤣j/k Fun facts, prove me wrong: Theoretically 50% of the karens on the planet are male. Canonical just might not be quite as canonical as they wish to think they are. Reminds me of a local FM's slogan "We play what we want." Incoming voicemail that got played on air: "You might play what you want but WE listen when WE want." That always makes my day whenever I'm reminded of it.
I switched from Ubuntu to Manjaro a couple of years ago, and I like it a lot. I've heard from other people that they have problems with updates and stability, but I think those problems are caused by the Manjaro package manager. I stick to using pacman on the command line, and I've never had any problems with Manjaro on any system I've run it on. I always thought it was cooler to do everything from the command line and avoided the software center like the plague so I've enjoyed trouble-free rolling releases on my Manjaro install for years. If Arch had some sort of apocalyptic meltdown I'd probably switch to Fedora or Open Suse. When I see job postings that mention Linux usage it's usually Ubuntu, Red Hat, or Open Suse, and I already have experience with Ubuntu so I might as well get comfortable with a system that might show up in a job than just installing something familiar again.
I mean, if Arch-based distros are easier to install you might want to reflect on your install process. Running CachyOS (Arch-based) on my desktop for gaming & my laptop rocks Fedora 38 (started on 37). Work computer is Ubuntu because the Windows guys at work understand it better.
I find it so wacky that every Ubuntu-based distro is great, except for vanilla Ubuntu itself. The core is so good, user friendly, just works out of box...but the OS itself catches so much shade, largely because of snaps. And Pop OS, MX Linux, Linux Mint, etc, are all enormously popular. Just a theory, but I'd be willing to bet you that if Canonical axed everything except Ubuntu Server, and created a user friendly graphical process for choosing a window manager, desktop environment, etc, they would see a surge in popularity that would rival the Hardy Heron days.
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Omg., :D but well you (we) know?!! [ ; Have a good one Joe!!! Joje.)
There is no reason that I can understand to have to do an in depth research to figure out how to install Debian. Considering that so many other distributions are based on Debian and have much better inatall methods. Also, Debian has been around long enough to make the download and install process logical and straightforward. I'm guessing that they may have their reasons. But I don't see it.
You are right Joe! Debian has made a small step toward becoming a CURRENT Linux distro, NOT remaining current. It will not be current next month or next year. Maybe after 2 or 3 more kicks at the cat they will come closer to that goal. And yes, in another month or so, all we will hear about Debian 12 is crickets. But this week, Debian 12 is the hot Linux distro review. Everyone has been very kind to D12 - except you! lol. Let's see what next week brings in the world of Linux and being leading edge technology.
I use two computers, none with Ubuntu. My office laptop use spiral linux which is a distri that simply installs Debian in a comfortable way. My carry-around-in-the-house-laptop runs mx linux which also basically is Debian. Don't really understand this pure-Debian hype, it's not a ready to use distro. Either you install Debian and make it work, or you install a distro that does it for you. Like spiral or mx.
If you STOP Wasting time with VIRTUAL GARBAGE and install it on HARDWARE-- you won't have all that mess.... I've got OLD equipment, and SLOW crappy SERVICE- and it installed PERFECTLY!!!! (once I replaced my OLD worn out VENTOY).... I LOVE the DEBIAN 12-- PERFECT-- VERY FAST, simple- and feels ROCK SOLID!!!! STOP IT with the VIRTUAL BS... .it's a WASTE OF TIME!!
No debian user would use vbox, so basically you are not a debian user and you are trying to make debian ubuntu, which is not. If you read a bit more about virtualization you will see other better options instead of vbox, just check what vbox is actually using under the hood and there is your answer. Who would use disks today be honest? Is this that bad?
Ubuntu LTS server registered with ESM is amazing in my opinion. I can get pretty close to not having to touch a machine for up to 10 years. The information to sign up is minimal, just an email address. If Ubuntu were to die, Rocky is my next go to I guess. The only reason I don't use Rocky currently is simply that I'm more familiar with Ubuntu and have no reason to migrate. I just want to leave the machine alone for 10 years after I set it up XD.
It's LIFE--- INSTEAD!!!!! INSTEAD of ubuntrash..... (not dissing the SOFTWARE of ubuntu- most is great- but the ubuntu group is into a lot of BAD decisions and moves. )
I have been using Debian for 22 years and love it. I always burn a net install dvd and never had a problem but I always install to hardware. I use the Mate desktop and so far Bookworm is working out fine.
After over 10 years I dropped Ubuntu. Something seems very weird when Windows 11 performs much faster on an "unofficially supported" machine than Ubuntu. Ubuntu looks great but ultimately disappointing. Debian stable has always been solid. For now, it's Chrome OS and Mint because they are fast and just work.
What does it perform faster?
Do you mean Mint with the Ubuntu base or the Debian base?
@@adityadeva9 My guess is 11 is smaller than 10 and they improved memory and cpu usage even for older hardware. 11 is amazing on older computers. 3 installs, 3 oh wow"s!
Snaps make my i5 into a 386
Hey Joe these crazy videos I have missed and am glad your back doin them again it great watching and hopefully we out here learn something but yea keep the craziness up lol
19:00 to 19:44. LMDE no question. Clem and the team have proven themselves competent and well supportive in making very good dependable Linux OSs.
I have both LMDE and Debian Cinnamon running around... can say that honestly LMDE does a much cleaner job (which makes sense coming from the Mint Team) but I learn alot more toying with Debian than Mint.
Joe, I don't find watching someone's pain enjoyable, but I did appreciate your efforts with Debian. Note that I've had Debian installation issues in the past and totally understand. I find the folks at MX Linux (based on Debian) have done things that seem to work for me and continue to use it as my daily driver as long as MX Linux stays in the game. The folks at MX Linux have been very helpful with questions. I know I am not in the same league as you with Linux (you've helped me in the past with questions I had) and really appreciate all your linux videos as well as all your audiophile videos. ---jim
I love your videos! I've learned so much from you!
I'm currently using Linux Mint with the Cinnamon desktop. In the past I have looked several other distributions, but I like Mint the best. If Ubuntu went away, I would look at Mint LMDE and MX Linux. My one concern with switching from Ubuntu-based Mint is the lack of PPA's. I use several applications that I get via PPA's that are not in the Mint repository. There may be another way to get the application, but I would have to do some research to find out how to get them. At least one of them is in the MX Linux repository, so that would be a leading candidate.
Ubuntu is NEVER going away. The Ubuntu community is by far the largest Linux distro community out there. And it's one of the most well funded distros. So you can rest assured that it's NEVER going anywhere.
Same. Why fix it if it werkz. We've all seen even LM pull some boners but stuff tends to get fixed when they do in my experience.
LMDE is great.
@@SifatUllahMain Never say Never. It may come back to bite you !!
" Why not watch Learn Linux TV " first and then install?
Joe attempted to install the OS the way I actually would attempt it because I just don't know any better or I've never heard of Learn Linux TV.
This method of teaching is very effective!
I first transitioned from Windows after watching Chris Titus doing the same and videoing his struggles in real time for a whole month.
The one huge takeaway was that he discovered that the majority of his difficulties stemmed from trying to make Linux work like Windows!
I have tried to express to Chris how encouraging that was and how grateful I am now 4 years in.
I first realized that I would have to learn Linux, when Microsoft decided to obsolete my machines!
I am also grateful to Joe, and Jay, and anyone who wants to share their knowledge just because they love to teach!
I'm also that kind of teacher, so I get it!
I'm using KDE Neon, which I rerally like. If Ubuntu went away I'd use MX Linux again. It comes with some nice tools that make setup and so on easier.
FYI: EndeavorOS is a revival of the old Antergos distro. I think it's based on Arch. Anyway, haven't tried out Debian 12 yet, but I've run Debian 11 and have been quite satisfied with it in the past. As long as I could get it running well on my equipment, that's probably where I would go, ether that or LMDE.
That was a great video! Thank you! I would really like to see more 'blind date with' - videos. I personally learn more from seeing people making mistakes and then find out and correct them. Slick and well prepared videos also have a tendency to skip caveats most people fall into.
So keep up the god work!
This is why I love this channel...thank you joe for the logic you present 👨🏽💻🙌🏽💗
I never used Linux for my entire life before, installed Debian 11 couple months ago as my first distro (to use full-time, I wanted to ditch windows forever) and I thought it was pretty easy to get going and get everything I needed. I updated to 12 and it is even better, now without that confusion about drivers on setup I really don't think debian is bad for new users at all.
I honestly have no idea how people find the Debian installer confusing or hard. Is it pretty? No, but that should not prevent anyone from installing it.
@@spielpIt sure prevented that guy of no importance that created Linux from installing it though 😂.
@@benign4823 true true
I use Debian since Debian 10. There was some learning required, but, after that, smooth sailing…especially when I upgraded from Debian 10 to Debian 11 without reinstalling.
My big Dell tower runs Linux Mint( Ubuntu based),MX Linux(Debian based) and Fedora,my Dell laptop runs Debian,the Think Pad runs Fedora,the HP runs Debian,my Macbook runs MX Linux and lastly my Dell Optiplex runs Linux Mint Debian Edition.The differences between both versions of Linux Mint are negligible and it would not worry me at all if the Ubuntu variant went bit the dust.Sparky Linux uses Debian Testing on one of their versions and that runs really well and is as up to date as any Ubuntu distro.Good videos though Joe and after all you use what ever suits you best in the Linux world.I use Arch when the mood takes me and also BSD from time to time.Peace to all.
I've noticed that the latest guest additions (June 2023) aren't working properly for me on Ubuntu and Windows virtualbox. I haven't had time to fiddle with it to find out why yet.
Your seat of the pants, kick the tires and light the fires is part of the fun of watching your videos.
To answer the ubuntu question. I would move to Debian and just use flatpak for things I need to keep current. As long as I can manage the system with Ansible it really does not matter distro not including ARCH that is a rant for another video.
I'm waiting for the next Mint LMDE. Eagerly
500M RAM at boot is the minimum I can get in a VM with Debian/LXQt/Openbox. Used to be sub 300 with 11. Can it go any lower and still having a modern desktop experience?
i started using debian for the same reason i stayed using linux, community involvement in its development. linux just like debian are projects, ubuntu is a product. while i have nothing against what canonical is doing, i rest easier knowing a community of people are at the helm instead of a company of paid employees. with that said canonical contributions can't be understated and i don't see any reason why both can't/shouldn't exist.
So I publicly stand corrected. All is well. I was following along on my machine while watching your video and my only goal was to get set the resolution to native, so I figured maybe the driver was installed during the installation. I did manage to run the script on the guest additions CD, and it broke the install.
So did anyone figure out how to get them installed?
I installed it again, and have been farting around with it without the guest additions.
As far as your question, what would I do without Ubuntu, I haven't ran Ubuntu in years. MANJARO has been my go to for a while now.
I really enjoyed your video the other day. Keep them coming!
Fact is, I've been away from Linux for about ten years. I used it exclusively from about 2006 to 2018, then I retired and took up an interest in gaming, and started running Winblows for a bit. Lots has changed since then. For instance, the last time I installed a VM, the resolution was stuck at 640x480 until you installed the guest additions..
Everyone have an awesome day😊.
Thank you for your time and these two videos on Debian. I'm on Fedora right now but looking forward to Debian-based Mint, especially after all that recent Redhat activity. OG Debian is not my thing at least for now since I'm not proficient enough with Linux. I also had similar problems with my Debian 12 VirtualBox installation.
For my HP computer I don't think I could go to straight Debian because there is a video bug. But I have found that MX Linux works when I switch the Kernel from the Debian one to the Antix one.
For me, I'm running Debian 12 Bookworm on my 12 year old ThinkCentre and my 8 year old Dell Latitude Laptop.
I ran Kubuntu for awhile and then heard about the drama with Red Hat and the stuff Canonical is shoving down our throats with mandatory snaps and such.
So I said screw it and went to the source with Debian 12. I haven't looked back and I'm happy with what I've got. I use the GNOME desktop because KDE (for me) has always been a buggy mess. Keep up the great work, Joe.
Look forward to hearing from ya in more videos.
Peace.
Joe, I have been using Linux Mint since 2018 and have gone from 18.3 to 19.3 to 21.1 over these past few years. I do have a laptop that is running LMDE 5 as well. I have a Win10 VM to play 1 game from 2002 that still requires a CD in a drive and won't work from an ISO image file. I have really enjoyed all the time I have spent on Linux Mint even some of the craziness to play WoW, Diablo, and Star Wars the Old Republic on Linux. Thanks for all you do.
Just made the switch from Ubuntu 20.04 LTS to LMDE 5, mostly because I could never get Ubuntu to trigger the upgrade . . . and I watched your LMDE 5 video!
Please help. Mate distribution. When I turn it off, it restarts
I am currently running kubuntu, though I have been looking at other distros due to the whole flatpak thing with the flavors. The distro that I would probably go to is Fedora. I like that they support flatpak, they run the latest stable kernel, and they have cinnamon as a desktop environment. In the end, I need a system that works without too much tinkering
Hi Joe, enjoyed your comments, as a Ubuntu user for many years, going back through my CD;s from about 12 up to 22.04, Ubuntu's change from flatpak to snaps annoys me greatly, while I understand the security aspect, the speed of updates is very remiss. I also do a lot of amature work with Arduino micro controllers, since I upgraded to 22.04 the usb ports are no longer active in these IDE's and afterf many hours of seaching and trying various methods to correct this problem I suspect that this is a permissions issue. Any help with this issue would be very welcome. I have followed you since Iimplented your solution for a graphic card I had in an earlier Ubuntu release.
Keep up the good work, and continue to tell it as it is !
ChrisC
Isn't Debian mainly used for Servers? Which would explain the stability, and the low updating and old (trusted) software? Also how would you compare this Debian install with Arch Linux? p.s. I use Linux Mint and have been a devoted Linux user for about 7 years or so. I started using it after my Windows 7 became unusable.
Flat packs are a game changer for Debian, in my opinion. You can have a stable base and up to date software at the same time.. Best of both worlds. That's what I find interesting about it.
currently using LMDE5. no complaints so far.
I started on Ubuntu 12, distro hopped until I got to know mint and stuck with it. using mint for 7 years straight now.
Last two comments (viichrsvii & tannenquitar) came from really really funny/ bitter people, or they don't English. Your title screamed 'blind date with Debian' - I wonder what that means ?! Geez, I thought it meant jumping in without any research / preparation, doesn't it ?
P.S. I use Fedora anyway, although my sis is a Ubuntu fan (no idea why 🤪), so I would let her decide if Ubuntu goes away (ever).
Joe, you do have a point about Debian being rather cryptic (and maybe a bit obtuse). FWIW, Slackware is another of the longstanding distros and it is also cryptic and obtuse. With a bunch of work, either can be adapted to be user friendly. There are a few Debian derivatives besides Ubuntu and Mint which have worked out the kinks. MX is nice and so is Siduction - lean and sensibly set up. Raw Debian and Slackware are a pain...
I started with SuSE 9.0, which was just before Novell bought it. When Arch came out, the thought of rolling releases piqued my interest and made the switch. After openSUSE came out with Tumbleweed, I gave it a bit of time to mature and moved back. I love Tumbleweed. I find it to be just as fresh as Arch, but a bit more stable. We don't have to worry about the Manjaro devs breaking it. I thought I would miss the AUR, but I have had no need of any package that I could not find. I even have it setup running Steam and gaming with it. I have the proprietary nVidia drivers running and run X-11/Plasma. There are only a couple of things that are keeping me from switching over completely to Wayland/Plasma, but it is getting very close.
That's exactly the time I switched to SuSE. I've been with it ever since.
after starting with linux mint and using it for several years while testing other distros within virtual machines i finally switched to void linux because i wanted a more recent package base and also didn't want to deal with the cluttered AUR on arch or all the nonsense you have to deal with when using these container formats like snap or flatpak which is kinda unavoidable on point release distros. i'm pretty sure i won't comeback anytime soon
I run mostly Ubuntu Studio but I also run Debian so I would most likely switch to that but I'm curious about Guix so if time would permit maybe that.
Flatpaks has justified my use of Debian. No longer are browsers and other critical apps outdated. I just install the flatpaks for that I want more current version.
Using MX 21-3 based on Debian 11.7 and it works well for me. No wait for critical updates and more access to software than with traditional Debian. It's also, probably, the fastest running OS on this system despite Linux Mint is on a spinning drive and this is on an SSD.
Been using Linux mint for 5 years. Replacing desktop this year and looking at switching to Fedora KDE.
I use Mint on my desktop and I find it works very well. Currently evaluating Fedora, might switch to that at some point - we'll see. Using Red Hat on my server because that's what we use at work and I've mirrored that setup to make things (so much) easier.
I also have a separate Windows 10 machine for gaming and some media stuff, because it just works. I don't like tinkering, things should "just work". ;)
Root was denied permission.I had that also on the 2304 Kbuntu Studio as well. Manjaro or Suse seems good last time Ichecked those out.Thanks Joe
I was a loyal Ubuntu user since 2012, until Canonical started with the snap shenanigans, so I switched over to Fedora. Now the Red Hat shenanigans are making me rethink my decision. After all the hype around Debian 12, I decided to install it myself (without prior research) and ran into issues just like you did. Why is it so hard to install? Not a great experience.
I think it's great that you would approach installing Debian with an open mind with a "let's see what happens" approach. That's my approach too. It makes it a fun thing. These trolls just don't get it.
I made a reply on the last, with Debian suggestions, but I hope you didn’t think I was being rude at all - you earned MY sub from that video… Debian is awesome for servers; hosting production ‘things’ that need to be up for years at a time. I love D12 b/c they did well at providing up-to-date window managers and now allow non-free packages at install. (Wifi, Nvidia, etc.) - I think it’s a great choice so long as users utilize Flatpak for other packages that aren’t as new. (Livreoffice, Firefox, etc.)
Cheers - I’ll watch WHATEVER you choose to create.
Um, about the domain thing. It's because debain mainly used for servers not desktops. Also, the reason why there is such a gap between releases is because mainly use in a server environment. Now you can use it as a desktop if you want to. I use it on my laptop and it runs well.
Linux Mint Debian Edition forme as it has most of the packages I need preinstalled and runs xorg, so my remote supports apps work happily.
I use Garuda Lite (was barebones) KDE, based on Arch. I've been using it for a few years now. It's great.
I've been using Fedora for the past 2 years and I absolutely love it. My Windows 10 and 11 installs on my laptop kept freezing, so I decided to install Fedora to host Windows in a virtual machine. Fedora runs way better than windows did on my laptop, I even get an extra 2-3 hours of battery life with it.
I'm curious about trying out Debian but Fedora has been so solid for me, that I kind of don't see the point for me to switch over lol
I'm using Ubuntu on two PC's and a server. The server is registered for a pro account. The information they needed gave me no pain. I like the quick security updates for the server. If they would stop I would probably switch to Debian, yes I also saw Jay's video. Looked easy enough.
What alot of people seems to forget is that "Learn Linux TV" (almost) always tests software on real maschine, and NOT on a VM. I think that mater's. Great job!
Pclinuxos is based on Mandriva or what it was originally called mandrake
If Ubuntu went kablooey, I would be okay. I'm currently using LMDE5 as my main server and MXLinux on my laptop with some raspberry pis running Raspbian or RaspberryPi_OS which is all Debian Based.
I remember mentioning distrowatch site not being mobile responsive back in the Google+ days 😭
I wish they would sort this! 😂
Years ago i put Mint Cinnamon on parents PC. Myself Mint Xfce on 32 bit Notebook. For my birthday i bought new Acer. Tried Mint. Secure boot issues. Had idea how to fix it, but wasn't sure. Looked it up. It was correct. Can boot the Live now, but touch doesn't work and WLAN hardware not supported. There are solution on the forum, but ...
Why Zorin and MX can keep ISO up to date, but Mint can't? New Mint should be available end of June.
I haven't used Mint in a while, so I might be misremembering this but I think I remember that Mint waits a few months after the Ubuntu LTS release so that any bugs from the new LTS release are patched.
@@totallyrealcat4800 from their page "The development cycle for Linux Mint 21.2 was closed a few days ago. Most of the projects have been tagged, built and added to the repositories for the upcoming release." now i'm waiting
As a long time Linux user since 1998, I have done the "distro dance" many many times. I started out with RedHat, then Gentoo, Mandrake, SUSE, Debian, Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS, Mint and a few others I've forgotten over the years. Linux Mint 17 was my last Ubuntu based distro, but for the last 5 years I've been using Q4OS which is Debian based. Q4OS uses KDE Plasma desktop which over time I've come to prefer, and I show no signs of wanting to move away from it. They also have the TDE desktop, which is the old KDE3 series desktop for older computers. Being Debian based, it has all the software I need. I use my computer mostly for analogue to digital video capture and editing, and my Blackmagic capture and playback cards are all supported by Blackmagic for Debian based distros.
And you're right about Debian being difficult to install. I thought it was the 1990s when I installed it.
As for the ask at the end of the video, definitely manjaro or lmde. I ping pong back and forth between the two.
Virtualbox is a oracle project..... And with how they treat java.... I don't anticipate much progress in that arena as far as a truly oss and non-corporate motive backed .. gnome boxes and libvirtt tho... So far so good? Altho that does tie you to GTK
Yes, Debian doesn't care for commercial software. At least not to be slick. And that extension isn't free. .That is why Debian isn't distributing VirtualBox.
The last I do agree about your answer to last comment
I would love to see a blind date video with Nixos and see what happens ….
For one, I don't use Ubuntu DE. I do have 2 Ubuntu servers (going to be Debian soon). Yes I have seen the damn Ubuntu ADD thing in the Server update screen! Peeded me off!
If Ubuntu went poof? I would never know, I run mostly Arch and 2 Debian installs of EzOS by Eznix. They both tickle my need for "I need the latest and greatest!" and "Man I need Stable!"... Lol
So bye bye Ubuntu! Don't Care...
Love the "New User" corn ball way of doing things videos. I seen what you were doing in the last video and had a good time watching even though I know the answer... Hahahahaha
LLAP 🖖
Joe, as an old "dabbler" in broadcast radio, I love nearly all of your videos, thank you for sharing them. I want to make one pushback here, and then support a couple of other things you've said.
A. Perhaps Debian does make their default installer "cryptic", but you might want to note that for a couple of years now, their live cd iso images have all featured the Calamares installer, which is vastly easier and quicker than the normal Debian installer. I prefer the old school version, which I see less as cryptic than as giving me an abundance of choices and settings I can control. But fair play, for those wishing elsewise, do try out the life cd isos, which come in every--or nearly so--desktop flavor that the regular install offers. These live versions also make dandy little rescue or portable disks, too, of course.
B. Bravo re those who suggest that anything free is somehow exempt from criticism. If I was offered a sample from a candy store--for FREE--and they gave me a truffle made of dog crap, I would feel FREE to complain loudly, and perhaps vehemently. There is a corollary that existed on a linux forum in which I contributed long form writing some years ago, that devs always deserve to be complimented, because they work hard. Like you saying not to be abusive in forums, I agree they deserve credit for hard work; but if the fruits of that labour are rotten, they do not deserve a papal indulgence for making dreck.
C. YES, more websites like Distro Watch need not to surrender to redesign to kowtow to mobile devices!
D. The only issue I have with your wing it videos compared to guys like Jay's nearly obsessive research is that you are visited by a lot of newcomers who take what they see and hear here as gospel, and if you hit a speed bump and criticize something that later you discover was possible, they might not realize that. However, follow up videos like this one go a good deal towards answering this concern, thank you.
E. Just for your radio side, I technically hold the record for the shortest-lived sports radio call in show in history, which ran as a part of another show in 1973 or '74 on KSLQ-FM in St. Louis (Clayton), MO. True!
I enjoy a mixture of Linux Mint, Debian, Pop OS and Chrome OS. They each serve their purpose. On the same coin I do appreciate seeing other people's experiences with Linux. I personally can't get Fedora or Arch Linux to work for me at all (or last any amount of time without breaking). Linux Mint and LMDE have both served me the best with very few errors.
I do admit that Debian could be easier to use, though Debian 12 really is the best version they have ever come out with. They could do better but progress is still progress. If you think about it if Debian was perfect why would we need other distros?
It is interesting where Canonical is heading at this point... Well: if Ubuntu were to not be distributed anymore now or whichever day it may be: I would be either on Debian (as I should) or OpenSUSE (the distribution I was using as of the day this comment was typed).
I only like Kubuntu and Ubuntu Mate, so I'd probably go with Linux Mint Debian Edition. Endeavor is Arch-based, "successor" to Antergos. I really liked Antergos. Sad to see it go.
Sometime ago, I was using Linux Mint Debian. While I was working, need to be connected to the office throught an app, and listening to the music, after some hours of usw, the Mint started to get slower, slower and slower, like it were Windows. I installed Mint LTS, it was better but after some hours of using it, it got slower, very slower, I guess a memory leak problem. So I came across Salix 14.5! It is perfect, it runs smoothly after hours of use. Still using it, cant code using Python 3.9 but well, it works. Now, I tried Debian 12, it is nice but I mesure the performance using Top and Sensors at same time. The temperature of this PC with Salix is about 45 Celsius, with Debian... 60 to 70!!! Well... still using Salix 14.5.
19:44 I already daily drive Arch Linux and recently I installed Debian 12 on a separate drive for a stable operating system if anything were to happen to my Arch Linux installation.
Sadly these are both more up to date than Linux Mint, this normally wouldn’t be an issue except for the fact I splurged and bought all brand new hardware recently.
Wanting the latest and cutting edge, and wanting secure and stable, does not compute.
You may pick 1, and live with the other.
I'm using Zorin OS which is Ubuntu based. If Ubuntu went away, I would use MX Linux (Debian based). And if Debian went away, maybe Nobara (Fedora based).
People "not in the Linux world" are using VirtualBox? I'm not a true Linux user. I'm a long time windows user. Windows Hyper-V comes with Win10 and 11 and setting up Linux machines is easy. While Debian 11 would install as a Gen1 (BIOS) system, I had to setup Debian 12 using a Gen2 (EUFI) with SecureBoot disabled. Once I figured that out it installed without problem. I installed it with Gnome, XFCE and Plasma desktops and can easily switch between them. I have FlatPak setup too. Setting display resolution on a Hyper-V Linux install is SUPER easy with one simple PowerShell command.
Using Mint probably would switch to Mint LMDE.
It's free. Well, I am solving a lot of issues in Debian also for free. I think it's half made distro. That's why there are Ubuntu and LMDE
Joe you don't have to be a dick about it.🤣🤣🤣j/k
Fun facts, prove me wrong:
Theoretically 50% of the karens on the planet are male.
Canonical just might not be quite as canonical as they wish to think they are. Reminds me of a local FM's slogan "We play what we want."
Incoming voicemail that got played on air: "You might play what you want but WE listen when WE want."
That always makes my day whenever I'm reminded of it.
I switched from Ubuntu to Manjaro a couple of years ago, and I like it a lot. I've heard from other people that they have problems with updates and stability, but I think those problems are caused by the Manjaro package manager. I stick to using pacman on the command line, and I've never had any problems with Manjaro on any system I've run it on. I always thought it was cooler to do everything from the command line and avoided the software center like the plague so I've enjoyed trouble-free rolling releases on my Manjaro install for years.
If Arch had some sort of apocalyptic meltdown I'd probably switch to Fedora or Open Suse. When I see job postings that mention Linux usage it's usually Ubuntu, Red Hat, or Open Suse, and I already have experience with Ubuntu so I might as well get comfortable with a system that might show up in a job than just installing something familiar again.
manjaro is my new OS & I am happy.....
I mean, if Arch-based distros are easier to install you might want to reflect on your install process. Running CachyOS (Arch-based) on my desktop for gaming & my laptop rocks Fedora 38 (started on 37). Work computer is Ubuntu because the Windows guys at work understand it better.
I find it so wacky that every Ubuntu-based distro is great, except for vanilla Ubuntu itself. The core is so good, user friendly, just works out of box...but the OS itself catches so much shade, largely because of snaps. And Pop OS, MX Linux, Linux Mint, etc, are all enormously popular.
Just a theory, but I'd be willing to bet you that if Canonical axed everything except Ubuntu Server, and created a user friendly graphical process for choosing a window manager, desktop environment, etc, they would see a surge in popularity that would rival the Hardy Heron days.
Omg., :D but well you (we) know?!! [ ;
Have a good one Joe!!!
Joje.)
There is no reason that I can understand to have to do an in depth research to figure out how to install Debian. Considering that so many other distributions are based on Debian and have much better inatall methods. Also, Debian has been around long enough to make the download and install process logical and straightforward.
I'm guessing that they may have their reasons. But I don't see it.
You are right Joe! Debian has made a small step toward becoming a CURRENT Linux distro, NOT remaining current. It will not be current next month or next year. Maybe after 2 or 3 more kicks at the cat they will come closer to that goal. And yes, in another month or so, all we will hear about Debian 12 is crickets. But this week, Debian 12 is the hot Linux distro review. Everyone has been very kind to D12 - except you! lol. Let's see what next week brings in the world of Linux and being leading edge technology.
Mint
I use two computers, none with Ubuntu. My office laptop use spiral linux which is a distri that simply installs Debian in a comfortable way. My carry-around-in-the-house-laptop runs mx linux which also basically is Debian.
Don't really understand this pure-Debian hype, it's not a ready to use distro. Either you install Debian and make it work, or you install a distro that does it for you. Like spiral or mx.
Fedora with GNOME
I have to ask why in 2023 would anyone ever even need to use a dvd :P
because people still uses old hardware - I got 3 old laptops that I still actively use and they all have a dvd drive.
openSUSE Leap 15.5 or Kubuntu
If you STOP Wasting time with VIRTUAL GARBAGE and install it on HARDWARE-- you won't have all that mess.... I've got OLD equipment, and SLOW crappy SERVICE- and it installed PERFECTLY!!!! (once I replaced my OLD worn out VENTOY).... I LOVE the DEBIAN 12-- PERFECT-- VERY FAST, simple- and feels ROCK SOLID!!!! STOP IT with the VIRTUAL BS... .it's a WASTE OF TIME!!
No debian user would use vbox, so basically you are not a debian user and you are trying to make debian ubuntu, which is not. If you read a bit more about virtualization you will see other better options instead of vbox, just check what vbox is actually using under the hood and there is your answer. Who would use disks today be honest? Is this that bad?
QEMU > VirtualBox
Ubuntu LTS server registered with ESM is amazing in my opinion. I can get pretty close to not having to touch a machine for up to 10 years.
The information to sign up is minimal, just an email address.
If Ubuntu were to die, Rocky is my next go to I guess. The only reason I don't use Rocky currently is simply that I'm more familiar with Ubuntu and have no reason to migrate. I just want to leave the machine alone for 10 years after I set it up XD.
Debian devs want to be a pain
I am using Arch... by the by. :P
It's LIFE--- INSTEAD!!!!! INSTEAD of ubuntrash..... (not dissing the SOFTWARE of ubuntu- most is great- but the ubuntu group is into a lot of BAD decisions and moves. )