Red Hat Drama, Paying for Python and My Linux Desktop
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2023
- I ramble on about Red Hat, Open SOruce and the state of the Linux Community. :)
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I think we need to support Debian. Debian is turning out to be the distro to use. Arch aside, I don’t see a better distro.
NixOS?
I’d say Debian if stability is your main concern, Arch or gentoo if you’re pretty highly knowleegable and want something closer to the edge. (I mention Gentoo because they maintain openRC which would be a good fallback init system if something goes wonky with systemd
Someone should make a compatible version of Arch with Debian, what i mean is that everything is the same as Debian but it uses Pacman instead.
no, support DEVUAN
@@pilotamurorei supporting debian also supports devuan, the only difference is needing a different different service files
I taught myself Python with the book 'Learn Python the Hard Way' by Zed Shaw. It's available as a real book or as free downloadable pdf. It has a no nonsense approach, using the command line and standard text editor where you type in everything yourself without the hassle of using an IDE (that you have to learn first). Simple, clean and old school, as I like it.
not free pdf d/l now
Python is a scripting language and can be written on any text editor. Visual Studio Code is free, along with many other free editors. I literally learned Python using UA-cam videos. It came easy to me as I know about 5 or 6 other languages. Since then (about 6 years ago) I have actually done large Python projects where I was paid well. Anyone can learn to code without spending any money at all. I'm 61 years old and have been doing this stuff for a long time. It's only gotten easier to learn software development, and UA-cam has taught me more than I ever learned in College or through the ton of software books I own.
I agree...in 2023 there are many editors which can easily be setup for python programing(VS Code being the easiest). VS code is free, Pycharm is free(I learned python using Pycharm), Vim is free, Neovim is free(although these take some time to setup). I've seen videos where people program with python in Sublime or Atom.
Python is a programming language, which have a REPL (Read Evaluate Print Loop).
And yes, Python also compile to byte code, just like Java, but Python have just in time compilation.
So yes, you can run Python directly from source, but yes, you can now run Java just like that too. I have some short scripts in Java, just to try it out. Same with programming language OCaml. You can run from source, you can compile to bytecode, and you can compile to native code. Same language.
So there are no real difference between script language and compiled languages.
About learn programming. If you already know how to program, learning other programming languages is easy, or at least possible, with just one book or by following videos.
Learning how to program you need to look at more then just the language, and that take more work, and there educations like university is good way to get the basic theories. The rest is up to you.
So get the basic is important, then after that, most languages are just different syntax. Especially if you learn some different programming paradigms.
Debian 12 made it easier to install without doing much and its even easier if you use the live image with calamares installer. Using it for a while and its been a great experience so far.
Yes installed on a desktop and laptop with no issues.
Oh. I was about to get all holier-than-thou and take you task for your comments, after all, they point out (in the text that you show on the screen) that they will send their code upstream. So I was like "Oh for God's sake, this is yet another storm in the open source teacup" - but then you scrolled down and revealed that paragraph about "those that want to repackage our source code for profit". Wow. Just wow. I don't even know where to begin with that. I think I'll just leave it up to you. I hadn't heard of this issue from any source except your video, Joe - so you're getting good coverage. Thanks for keeping us informed.
As someone who manages several Debian servers, I think Debian is a friendlier, happier, and much more stable distro than anything out there. I just upgraded 4 Debian 10 servers to version 12 with no issues.
Hey joe, a couple comments;
- Red hat is still contributing upstream and sharing the source code to red hat customers, that isn't quite like chromeos.
- you don't have to pay up to 16 servers.
- there are still sources that doesn't require a red hat contract for the source code for rhel packages
- this won't affect fedora as fedora (and centos stream) are projects, while rhel is a product. This is a sloppy attempt to 'protect' their product. Red hat treats projects and products differently. ( note how rhel 8 is still supported while centos 8 is not, yes centos was a project)
All that said, i agree that we as a community should financially support community backed distros and their upstreams (including upstream package maintainers)
I said all that. Paying for play eliminates free use of the code. Period.
@@EzeeLinux yet the code can still be used for free; both rocky and alma linix have already releases their regular updates. Rocky even figured it out in a day, all without a 'rhel license'
But....If I want to have a RHEL in my homelab and have it update automatically, without reboots, I MUST pay them. Even for one copy. I have 30 (well, HAD). It was CENTOS. Now, RHEL has been this way since whenever. BUT, it seems their point now is even customers, paid customers, with SCA, cannot compile AND distribute the compiled binaries. So you cannot make an Oracle OEL, Rocky Linux, AlmaLinux, etc. The way Rocky and Alma described to get around it is tedious, error-prone, and really needless.
Red Hat (aka IBM) isn't making a GOOD business decision. They're making one which will have diminishing returns. BTW, 30 instances, $500/yr each, $15,000USD a year just to have my instances update without reboots. Seems fair for a home lab. I LOVED CENTOS. Been a Red Hat fan since 1995 (RHL v2.0 Happy "Mother's Day!") Ran it on x86, Alpha, SPARC, x86-64, etc. I just don't see their logic. Would be a shame if GNU did this and Red Hat had to hunt through commits to hundreds of packages for updates for, say, ls, tar, less, etc.
@@fuseteam For now.... They may go after them in court and that will be interesting to watch.
@@EzeeLinux i somewhat doubt that, they never needed to sign the agreement, so they aren't break red hat's terms. Locking down container images would impact their customers who use image registries.
And well, if they truly wanted to shutdown clones, they would've simply stop releasing the permissive licensed source code, which they haven't done.........for now
I’ve been using fedora off and on but I’m probably going to have to move away from it
I've been using Fedora for over 15 yrs. and I have NO INTENTION of leaving it, regardless. None of what is going on with Red Hat and Canonical has ANYTHING to do with me or my Fedora install. I am a reasonable and rational person, not some raging Linux zealot or ideologue.
Joe has a strong dislike for ANYTHING that isn't Ubuntu or Linux Mint. He doesn't like Manjaro. He has problems with Debian, proper. He doesn't do Arch. He thinks that Elementary OS is too restrictive. He was a big fan of Solus while Ikey Doherty was running the project, but never used it as his daily driver. He used to use Ubuntu MATE and was always talking back and forth with Alan Pope and Martin Wimpress, but I guess that distro and those relationships withered on the vine. And last, but not least, There's OpenSUSE. Just watch his video review on it. Oh, wait. You can't. He pulled that video off the channel. Joe's attitude is this: If it ain't Mint, it's just wrong.
You could switch to Debian. I've seen lots of people commenting that they're going to Debian now.
Bye Felicia no one gives a shit about one less statistic using it or not.. this isn't an airport you don't gotta announce you're departure.
Red hat helps more projects than you know. They are always contributing upstream. The only thing they're not obligated to give you is there stable work. Don't for one minute think they don't contribute
Been a true Linux user since the very beginning. I was pushing Linux while the world was engrossed in Windoze. This latest effort reminds me of the old SCO vs IBM lawsuit(s) of decades ago. History repeats itself??? I hope not!
When IBM is involved, sooner or later protectionism will show its ugly face.
Remember back in the day when PC clones started to pop up, IBM told their customers that all support for the customers minis, like the S36 S39 and such, would be voided if the customer connected a clone pc to their token ring network.
😂 the world is still "engrossed" in windows hence the user %. All this bootleg community made os is good for us to run a server so people with real os's to go on to and do actual things with out bootleg hacks and work arounds
IBM is what is always was....
Pretty much the whole scientific community (I work in a particle accelerator facility) has run CentOS for more than 15 years as the de-facto OS to go if you needed rock-solid stability, ultra-high reliability, and cross-compatibility between a large variety of (not necessarily ultra-new) machines. That is, until about 1.5 years ago, when Red Hat decided - out of the blue - to stop supporting the LTS version of CentOS, declaring to focus their support efforts on its rolling release version instead, i.e. CentOS Stream. This sudden strategy change threw the scientific community into a near-panic situation, as rolling releases are neither stable, nor reliable enough to entrust them with the task of running super sensitive programs and pieces of software that might control the operation of extremely expensive machinery, or perform analyses, calculations and simulations that might last weeks or even months, and for which any interruption due to instability or security issues can be extremely bad for a number of reasons.
The result of this chaos was that the scientific community decided to run non-updated versions of CentOS for months, missing on important security patches that sometimes led to serious security issues, until very dedicated people created alternatives to CentOS such as AlmaLinux and Rocky Linux, both based on RHEL, in the attempt to fill the OS chasm created by Red Hat with their sudden and (at the time) not fully explained decision.
I find pretty ridiculous that now Red Hat accuses those spin-offs of RHEL of being harmful to them by - quote - "Simply rebuilding code, without adding value or changing it in any way, represents a real threat to open source companies everywhere", when those rebuilt versions became prominent and - ultimately - necessary to some communities (such as the scientific community) because RHEL decided to withdraw their support to their downstream release, i.e. the LTS version of CentOS, forcing a lot of people to find alternatives that offered full compatibility with the latter and didn't break the code that they had written for CentOS and used for important (and often budget intensive) long term projects.
I think that their current behavior is not only greedy, harmful and childish, but borderline petty and despicable. However, I also think that this change of late in the company's policies does not fully represent the actual line of thought and general sentiment felt across Red Hat, rather I feel like it is most likely IBM doing, as there were no signs of this sort of corporate protectionism in Red Hat actions, decisions or policies, prior to their buyout by IBM.
Thanks for sharing this story and what happened at your work. It is great for people to hear how corporate decisions (like RedHat's) affect scientific research institutions.
If you work in a particle accelerator, you should have no issue paying for red hat. You guys pull billions of dollars from tax payers and other donors.
This sounds a lot like CERN.
Do you see any chances of migrating to Debian?
You're right, Red Hat's closing thier source is a PR disaster not only to themselves but to all corporate supported distros, system admins and developers are losing their trust in them. Eventually, people will make a gradual move to community supported distros for thier new servers and projects and the corporations will lose thier advantagw of having thier customer bases
Good video! I think that Linux has been captured by Capital for a long time now, but people in the Linux community still has a chance to really rethink how to try and reverse course.
Hi Joe, I enjoy your video's very much and I don't mind if you have to search for words; occasionally. You mentioned PCLinux and Debian Bookworm would be a better Distro to go to ? Also, I have tried to delete Kubuntu and can't seem to remove it, can you help?
I like the way you think. Im currently running MX Linux which is an easy to install and configure debian based distro.
Thanks for going over your desktop settings - always appreciate your tips and tricks! One interesting thing is that I am running LMDE 5 and I was able to set up that custom background color, but I do not have the transparency options on mine. . . Happy 4th!
Apparently, that's some kind of video driver issue with LMDE 5. I couldn't figure it out so I just went to regular Mint for the time being. :)
Joe, Thanks for all you do and I agree with you on everything you said about RH. I also like the traditional look as well in Linux Mint. I saw in the video from the (EDIT: The Linux Experiment) channel that LM 21.2 will not have that available on install, but we can still get to that traditional taskbar in a convoluted way.
Thanks for the heads up... :)
I've been getting into Python, too, recently, especially because of A.I. and neural networks, and such. To my dismay, there's not a lot geared towards Linux users. And sometimes it's impossible to translate the Windows-speak into Linux-speak. Not to mention that these tutorials make you rely heavily on the mouse, whereas I'm more keyboard driven. Hopefully I'll figure my way through.
The only thing you really need is starting your scripts with the right shebang (#!/usr/bin/env python3) and perhaps some very slight differences when using the os/subprocess modules, but those are well described in the documentation. Other than that, everything is basically the same, just make sure to develop inside of virtual environments ("python -m venv .env", "source ./env/bin/activate", from there you can pip install any package you want without affecting your system globally). You can use whatever editor you like and get whatever LSP you want, if you want the ez mode, VSCode with Pylance, if you're a neovim kinda guy, you can also get whatever LSP you want for it, or start without an LSP to teach yourself good habits rather than relying on autocompletion etc.
I installed Anaconda on arch and debian 12, it helps to manage environments, have useful tools, and it's very practical
Time to fork, mirror, and host. Just finished downloading the entire Fedora mirror. There are shockingly few public mirrors available even at academic institutions. Univ Huston math, MIT math... etc. It took two months to get current pulling from these mirrors and the daily builds take most of the day to download due to the poor condition/ quality of quick mirror (not bandwidth or machine performance) and size of the project (>30TB)... this is a bit crazy but the corporate interests have been openly hostile to non institutional players for decades and make it as hard as possible for normal engineers to participate or contribute.
Joe, the more you get into Python, the more you'll enjoy it. I keep my setup pretty simple - just Neovim with some syntax highlighting and linting. Python can be really fast if you use the right packages and craft your code efficiently.
The big short coming of Python, since the start (yes, I was a early adopter, wrote a CGI-script in Python back in 1994), is that is doesn't come with type checking. Which is absolutely needed for big programs. I will save you time in looking for bugs, especially when you do refactoring.
It's major strength is all libraries that you have integrated and can easy use. Yes, Python itself is slow, but with those libraries, it all make up for Python being slow, so programs written in Python doesn't need to be slow.
I have used Debian for 22 years now and I am very happy with it. I don't need the bleeding edge stuff I just need things to work and be secure. Red Hat was bought by IBM they don't care about communities just making a profit. Debian, Mint ,MX are all great distro's with friendly communities give these a try. I love Bookworm with the mate desktop.
I've tested out Debian 12 with MATE but it's very janky and buggy in my own experience. Debian 11 with MATE was solid. Maybe it's because Bookworm uses Wayland?
I use Void with MATE which is great.
@@folksurvival I have been using it since its release date and have not encountered any hick ups at all so far. I also use older hardware.
Apple is bsd based? So I'm told. Would you use a distro based on ubuntu? Despite the snaps etc. Just curious .
Love your videos, your work, and all you do. Thank you!
Joe, well said that man- thank you for standing up for the true community cause. I for one appreciate it. I knew as did others that this was the way it was going to play out. As soon as Billy boy got his toe in the door his aim is to take over lock stock and barrel. Which is exactly why I took up Linux in place of Windoz. In anticipation I'm going back to Mint as soon as I've sent this message. ATB.
I've used Ubuntu since 2005, and yeah, the Amazon thing was wrong, but in fairness, they listened and got rid of it. Unity came, and Unity went (and now seems to be back as a flavor of Ubuntu), and SNAPS are not my favorite...but on the bright side it keeps my skills fresh by figuring out how to get rid of the Firefox snap and replace it with the ppa supported version from Mozilla. All that said, I don't think Ubuntu is evil and I still use it. I get really annoyed by commentators who lump Canonical and RHEL in the same category. They are not even close, and to be fair...there isn't another distro I want to switch to. I am very happy where I am...as long as it is free and open.
Fedora's position on software patents is one of the main reasons I use Fedora.
you can find a python editor in educational tools some times that teach kids python but don't expect a pro set up and management tools. Raspberry pi I know has them I think Ubuntu too my bad if i am wrong .......
one thing running two os is when updates come they are normally close together sometimes it's strange how they come in the same chunks between them
I started using RedHat in 1996 then switched to CentOS when RedHat became a pay for solution. When IBM bought RedHat I knew CentOS was most likely going to come to an end. I’ve switched to FreeBSD and OpenBSD.
FreeBSD is a beast. It's my go-to alternative.
Glad to another prospect on Rhel discussion in the linux community.
So you went from dark theme to light theme. Light themes hurt my eye's. My current theme is Fluent dark with Paprirus dark icons on KDE Neon. Which for most is probably to dark.
PyCharm is great for Linux, also VSC works good. Love your videos.
I liked the "I'm over 40" comment.
Nice rant. If you dont like VS code, how about VScodium?
I am no expert but it sounds like redhat is using open-source code and then repackaging it and charging you for the code you worked on. So if the person who wrote the base code they are using decides to remove it from open source what would happen to redhat?
It could be Oracle's Linux which they are really targeting. Oracle was closely following Redhat as I understand it. Oracle was also going for full commercial use of anything they got their paws on.
This could make Redhat tire of breaking trail for another corporation. Those nonprofits, home users, or folks using the free stuff to hone their Redhat skills may just have been knocked aside as two corporations fight. This is just a theory, but on corporate wars, little guys like us count very little. I know one person using the free Redhat clones to build and sharpen their skills for a company running Redhat in their day job. Now this person will have to train on something else and not know Exactly how their offduty training will translate to their daytime job. That is the new reality
It's a shame. The first distro I ever used back in 1997 was RedHat, but haven't used it for years. I much prefer Debian based distros now, though I steer away from Ubuntu.
Love working with both BASH and Python.
Never really cared for the fancy IDE's like MS VS Code.. It's nice, but NotePad++ works fine for 98% of situations..
That being said, I love working with Webmin's file browser which often times allows me to live edit whatever I'm doing debugging with, and no, it's not an IDE, but combined with NotePad++, and other helpful utilities (like phpMyAdmin), I find that my costs for working with python or SQL management tooling is next to nothing.
Both GPLv2 and GPLv3 explicitly state that you may redistribute verbatim copies of the covered product. The agreement RedHat requires of their customers to not redistribute the source violates the license on the community software RedHat built on. They put a lot into the work, sure, but they are clearly violating GPL.
They are right on the edge of a violation but technically no. It would take a court decision to set precadent and they know it.
Interesting point. I would think that the users could and can export libraries from Red Hat, even those components written by Red Hat but using GPLv2 and v3 libraries. Legally they have to. However, I suspect that there are many specific config files and utilities that are independent of GPL v2 and v3 licensing and if you can't copy those you essentially have a broken distribution.
You could always go to Debian.
Yes, I do agree with most of what you write about Linux.
And if you want to have a really configurable editor, you should learn Emacs, and basics of elisp.
And yes, do start with learning just what you need, then add as you go.
We do not have many choices. Many distros are corporate funded /owned.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, by Red Hat's own view, if they haven't either purged all code they did not write or payed all of the coders whose code they're using, are they not complete hypocrites?
I began learning Linux when I found a cd of Red Hat 5 that came with a book adequate for complete noobs to get the system up and running with X and get supported hardware working. I've since moved on, but had been considering returning to Red Hat. Not any more.
Thanks so much Joe.
Installing Debian is harder than installing Arch… or at least it was when I last tried it xP
THANK YOU JOE!!!! Redhat has killed their own history. So I too agree: Forget RHEL! I suspect that Fedora will slowly die as a direct result of this action. I loved Fedora because it was aided by the "good folks" at Redhat. NO MORE!!! I will now use LM and LMDE only!!!! Keep on keeping on Sir!!!!!!!
We will see what happens. Either way, this is a big wake up call for Linux.
I just got from windows to linux last November with hopes, and now this happens. Every major distro is shady.
Linux will adapt and change as it always does no matter what big distros do. You're among friends. :)
Red Hat trashed CentOS, then... OMG!
Pycharm community is free and what I have used for past 4 years. Great IDE
I have literally never seen anyone on youtube tell me I need to buy anything to use/learn python. You don't even need an editor, really! you can just run python in a terminal and talk to the interpreter directly. Curious about what you have been looking at that the algorithm is giving you videos of people telling you to buy proprietary stuff! Obviously not Linux or FOSS stuff.
actually, i had run CentOS as the Desktop & built needful pkgs.. then i migrated to Oracle distro for the same purpose. in fact, such way is more easy than Arch o/a Gentoo & gives rather good Desktop. :)
You could make your code a bit more neat, just by sending the path where you create the `zero` file. Then you don't need to have a `wipe-root()` and `wipe-home()` if you don't want to. Make it easy to have an argument that allow you to make the file on any place you like.
Geany with all the plugins works well. Not geary the email app, but geany the IDE
I use Thonny for MicroPython work - it's free and powerful for ESP IoT device work.
The free community version of PyCharm works well for my regular Python scripting at work.
I avoid any Linux w/o SELinux nowadays and Ubuntu snaps suck & AppArmor misses too much attack surface.
While I prefer BSD, my RH dev sub gets me better Linux support help than the crap on StackOverflow or ServerFault, so I'm sticking with Podman/Fedora for now.
How many employers are advertising for RHEL experience vs the other distros combined.
Sure, I drink the free beer at home, but I have to be sober at work and the software supply protections and actual support of RHEL are cost effective enough for my primary employer, so...
I'm not seeing actual RH customers complain, so i expect most will continue with purple KoolAid. Their alternative is MicroSoft+Canonical with Azure clouds.
Does anyone really expect VSCode to remain totally free forever (or for long) when GH Copilot is emerging?
Remain able to pivot your skills, adapt to vendor changes with less drama, and keep learning if you want to make more than just a hobbyist or enthusiast. Avoid getting siloed in your thinking because OSes and infrastructure are becoming container runtimes in as IT evolves.
I moved from VAX to BSD in the mid-80s, then added Linux in the early 90s, and if you wanna gripe about Linux being commercialized, then how about ditching NDIS and proprietary binary drivers for things like GPUs and getting back to Richard Stallman's original free roots?
Our company has made the decision to move all new server installs to Debian and we will no longer purchase desktops or servers with IBM cpu's.
Incorrect. GPL requires that no restrictions or terms in addition to the GPL be added to the licensing of the GPL software you distribute to users. It is indeed illegal and going to cause a mess in legal to determine if anything RedHat dies (which does a lot) is legal to accept or use, even when contributed to w.g. CentOS:
reason being is you cannot keep using GPL code if you violate the GPL. So RedHat violating GPL by adding terms in connection with distribution to users of RedHat is still in violation of the GPL when it gives code away in CentOS -- it already surrendered its license.
Seriously, why are you using VirtualBox with all your open source principles ?? Because in order to make it really usable, you really need the proprietary extension pack.
And apart from that, performance is really so much better when using QEMU KVM. Because you are running on a part of Linux itself.
VBox is a cross-platform industry standard for testing. I don't care about the small amount of closed source code in it.
I dissagree, I think we need these corporate backed distros to provide code upstream. They bring the money and paid developers that the community needs to keep Linux and Free Software going. No corporations, no significant Linux development.
The good news about this red hat mess is that I have less Linux distributions to test. Did you read the response from the Software Freedom Conservancy ?
No, but I will. :)
Visual Studio Code is FOS and it's the best free tool for writing Python IMO.
23:03 VS codium linux alternative to VS code
Debian Hard?????
I am in school and i use Debian as my daily driver, if i can use it how its hard?????
It is NOT geared at all toward a novice user... It's easy for anyone who has been trained to use it or already families with it's eccentricities.
@@EzeeLinux I wasn't trained* for it, I just picked iso, made bootable, installed on my laptop and started messing around
I learned Linux by Distro-Hopping and creating mess and fixing my mess
BTW I use KDE and Arch on Dual Boot 😎
RedHat also restricts what you can do as a subscriber with the RHEL sourcecode. Which is what most commenters say isn't clear if it's legal or not. And RH employees online are doing their best painting the community as freeloaders and, frankly, idiots who "just don't get" how amazing RedHat is.
Since they technically provide source to paying customers they are just within the GPL but the further agreement about no distributing it goes against GPL. A judge would have to set precedent to clearly define whether this is ethical or not and they know that.
@@EzeeLinux Technically it's not a violation of the GPL. It seems what they are doing is opening up the source to subscribers, but in their support contract the customers agree not to share the source outside of the system. Technically they can't sue a customer for sharing the source, but they can cancel their support contract (which exists outside of the GPL).
In essence there are 2 agreements at play with RHEL, the GPL (and other free licenses) and the support contract they have.
@@PenguinRevolution Whether the contract trumps the license is the question here. I talked to some legal folks who said it does, others said it does not. In the end it's a matter for the court - if it ever gets there. However, legal or not, this is a huge middle finger to the GPL and the open source community. The comments written by RH employees show just what an ungrateful mindset they have, and how they view anyone who criticizes that move as too dumb to "get" how amazing RedHat is.
@@ToumalRakesh The license and the subscriber agreement are two different agreements. Red Hat would win any legal action simply because Red Hat isn't legally "restricting" people from sharing the code, they are simply refusing to do business with anyone who does. Red Hat has the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason.
It is not accurate to say that you have to pay (beyond purchasing the OS) to learn Python on Windows or Mac. There are a multitude of free (and some open-source) text editors and Python is freely available. I have not seen a single tutorial that has said that I had to purchase something. It is fine that you prefer Linux and desire to support open source, but let's be sure that we are presenting accurate facts, please.
Paying for Python ?
What ?
Watch the video.
@@EzeeLinux
OK...
I even checked on Google...
The Linux community is Linux's only problem. I'm not saying that to be incendiary or anything. It is just my experience. Saying that you wouldn't pay for RHEL because you have just one server is absolute fud. OSS never meant that you get free (cost) software. Yet this is the mindset most people using it think. Joe's comments here about not wanting to buy a Server OS is just ridiculous. Whether you pay for the software or not, it COST money to make! There is no such thing as free development! This is some entitled nonsense that keeps getting parroted in this community. We, as Linux users, need to pay for Linux development. If you care about Linux, then stop letting corporations like RH, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc. be the only way to pay for Linux. Support distros that ask you to pay for them. Plain and simple. Development is not free, ever.
Obviously, you don't understand how FOSS works at all. I don't need to buy a licence for my lone server because I don't need 12/7 support. I can maintain it myself. The software is free and available from many sources, not just Red Hat. As I noted in the vid, Red Hat is well wort the expense paid for a service agreement in a large deployment. GNU/Linux is largely financed through donations and selling support and service contracts. That's the Linux model. Got it?
@@EzeeLinuxLinux is a "community" project, but you need to see who the community are made of. Take a look at The Linux Foundation sponsors, those are the ones who keep the development running. Even Linus Torvalds is sponsored and employed by the Linux Foundation.
If you think they're not important and only developers matter. Look at the top 10 Linux contributors, not one individual who is not employed or hired by massive corporations. Linux won't be as big as right now if it was just a pure community project. Corporate money, resources and expertise make Linux big.
I don't see why a veteran linux user like you would find debian hard to use
No, offense but Debian is hardly "hard to use." Sure it hasn't been as polished as a desktop in the past though it's pretty good now. But as a server it's great and has been for many years. Yes, it is never going to use the latest code. The Linux kernel might be 6.4 but Debian 12 runs 6.1..0-9. BUT it is stable and I want stable!
Debian is NOT geared for novice users at all. It's easy for those who are used to it's eccentricities, though.
Dead Hat...
Let's see, pay for what
everyone else has
for free. Right! 😂
It's not just a gentlemen's agreement.
"Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for them if you wish), *that you receive source code or can get it if you want it*, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs, and that you know you can do these things.
To protect your rights, we need to prevent others from denying you these rights or asking you to surrender the rights. Therefore, you have certain responsibilities if you distribute copies of the software, or if you modify it: responsibilities to respect the freedom of others."
It's right there in black and white. They can't stop you from getting the code. They can charge for it, yes--but that's pointless, because anyone who has it is allowed to distribute it for free.
The fact that they think they can get by with this is disgusting, and the fact that they actually are is even more so.
True, but I'm sure there are a lot of config files and utilities independent of the GPL licensing which you can't copy or legally redistribute and those probably hold the distribution together and give the distribution it's main benefits above other distributions. You leave those files behind you break it.
Also they risk their support contract if they share it. IBM can't stop anyone from sharing free code. However if the free code was developed by them and you agreed not to share it, they can call it a breach of contract and cancel the support contract with the entity that shared the code.
All this red hat hate is completely ridiculous.
red hat are not gentle men is evident
Bruhaha
Linux is a kernel. The kernel is and always will be free. And there are still many ways to get RHEL code...and I am pretty sure that CentOS Stream is still open source. It's a lot of whining for nothing if you ask me.
Red Hat is not Close Source. This is FUD. Anyone who has RHEL customer or developer subscription you get access to the source code. This is complaint with the GPL.
And any of those customers are free to further redistribute that code! Red Hat, then, is free to retaliate by refusing to sell them any more software in the future. Basically, they’re exploiting a bug in the GPL.
@@ochbad that is a legitimate criticism. However saying they are closed source is not doing anyone any favors.
@@herminiohernandezjr.9316 you're right, totally agree
let's just all go back to the Berkeley-based distributions like open BSD and that PSD. Much cleaner. Linux has gotten too bloated over the years.
You obviously recognize the value that red hat provides. Yet you're unwilling to offer value for value. You want to benefit from the value that other people are having for free. Red hat employees are not your slaves.
The main problem isn't Red Hat or Rocky Linux or Alma.
The main problem is people with mindset - I want OSS software for free, but it has to be stable.
Stable means the software needs testing, testing means human labor and someone has to pay for that.
Facebook are using CentOS, because it's free lunch.
That is how bad things are, Trillion dollar companies don't want to spend money on RHEL, because CentOS it's free lunch RHEL.
Maybe you are mad at Red Hat, but they can't publicly shame Trillion $ companies because they have lawyers with 10k$ rate.
People are throwing words like stable, reliable etc like that is god given right when you use OSS.
For small workload you can use any distro and you will be fine, you don't need "stable" distro
And for the gentleman agreement, companies know that there isn't such thing as gentleman agreement there is only legal agreement.
That is why companies sign legal agreements before they do any work.
It is a shame how Red Hat's reputation amongst the open source community becomes more and more tainted. However, have no confusion, Red Hat has been, and currently is growing exponentially in the enterprise world. Red Hat (The OS) is awesome!
I'm tore.
RH is gone. Now it's IBM.
Good riddance. This will help other distros thrive.
Well because you are socialist as socium (community) is priority for you. For corporations, exploitation is priority - making money from everything possible, which includes making you work maximum for a minimum of real payment. You cant change that mentality. This is why Stallman started eating fingernails and got fat - he had to compensate for an effort to create awesome compiler toolchain, for free.
That's not exactly true. Corporations don't have any other priorities than to make money. If we, the customers, demanded that they behave in a certain way to make money then they would do it. The problem is that a large enough proportion of the users are also purely profit driven. Hence, the corporations will flow like water toward that least common denominator.
It's easy to find a boogieman to blame. But the corps are just mindless automatons if taken collectively, i.e. not the people that work there but the organizations itself. But if you want to get at the actual root of the problem, then yeah, the corps just do whatever people pay them to do. And we essentially pay them to be shitty.
@@TohaBgood2 its not 1723, money is printed in required quantities, ideology (mental cage) and control model are the only valid keys. Corps are manual creation and perform a task. In 1723 they were called "trade unions", seamen were expendable and still are. Don't get into illusion that you own anything, only authority reigns.
@@HECKAKYH-ADEKBATEH That's beside the point. The reality is that corporations are not intelligent entities. They're more like single cell organisms that chase after stimuli in an automated fashion. They are only capable of chasing their nutrition (profits) and responding to environmental stimuli (competition, regulatory pressures, etc.)
You're personifying things that aren't even sentient. There's not trace of higher level thinking there. They can barely plan ahead and you want them to be capable of scheming.
Darwin Kernel is based on a Freebsd Kernel in the first time of MACOSX. on this time there is nothing what have todo with free bsd
I worked in IT as a contractor and was doing fine until about 9 years in when IBM took over the contract and the job was never the same. I thought IBM sucked. I've heard others that were under them say the same thing. Glad all that crap is behind me.
I had a friend who worked for IBM and they were dicks. He quit.
Regarding Fedora and how RHEL's temper tantrum affects it- RHEL is downstream from Fedora, so RHEL could effectively go belly up but Fedora would survive any code withholding or company death, as far as I can tell
I warned people of the linux suits. Canonical and Redhat are two of them. People should listen to Richard Stallman about canonical and redhat