I'm a bit fed of up of people saying that I hate No Way Home in its entirety lol; there's lots of things I like, just nothing really relating to the cinematography, editing or sound like I've looked at in this video. As follows: - Tom Holland is a great Spider-Man. I enjoyed how much darker he got to take it and I could easily do ten more movies with the guy. -Garfeild characterised as the romantic, expressive Spider-Man was great. "I love you guys". I also think the line delivery on wanting to have brothers was particularly sweet. -Tobey. Enough said. - Dafoe never phones it in. I saw someone say Thanos is the MCU's Darkseid, and Goblin is the MCU's Joker - and I totally see that. - Aunt May finally got something to do. -The big three villains were all brought to life beautifully. In particular, Jamie Foxx's Electro got a BIG upgrade. Not only in look and power, but he was way more fun in general. "I kinda like who I am in this universe." That grin could almost secure a spin-off. - Peter #3 catching MJ was great, even if everyone guessed it online for weeks from that final trailer. - Lastly, the love and affection Spider-Man fans of three generations had for seeing the trio unite was really cool. And you could feel that everyone involved was having a really good time. The special features and interviews have been just as satisfying to explore as the movie. I sought to compare it to the Batman in this video because I think as fun as these Home movies are, they could do a lot more. I'm not saying that No Way Home would need to act and feel like the Batman to achieve this. Also, its just a movie! My opinion on it won't burn your digital copy or make Jon Watts quit the profession. The movie was an overwhelming success. But can we have some more contrast next time, please?
The movies you referenced Like matrix resurrections and matrix 3 weere critically oanned for their horrible cinematography. Comparing those movies with the Batman only degrades your opinion. Batman didn't do anything innovative. It's might be a good movie. But it didn't do anything special other than doing everything the same dark, dceu style with some nolanishque style action and dialogue and with a rushed up third part. I don't like to compare movies especially movies which are from completely different genres. You simply skipped over the good things about no way home Like Peter s character growth, his sacrifice The great music and redemption of other characters and the perfect balance between all the characters. It elevated spiderman to a whole new level meanwhile Batman remained the same old Gotham boy fighting street crimes. I get it. It's your opinion. But I highly disagree with it.
Disney these days have perfected making films to the most efficient level fun to watch but never ground breaking cinema! Loving the direction of the new DC stuff “Batman” and the previous “joker” films as they’re not trying to compete with the MCU instead they’re focusing on the individual storys rather than a massive universe hopefully they keep it up!!
I would argue they have made some of the most groundbreaking stuff movies, in a variety of ways. Look at guardians or endgame or even no way home. Wether you dig them or not, these movies were groundbreaking. There is nothing like them, nor will there be anything like them. Don’t get me wrong, the Batman is much more of a traditional movie. But don’t undersell the marvel stuff just because out don’t like them. The reason they are so fun is partially because they are so solid
I remember sitting in the cinema watching The Batman right as the car scene was about to start, when Bruce starts up the bat mobile.. The ground literally started shaking as he started the car and continued through the whole scene. Thats a movie experience I will never forget.
The Batmobile revving is one of the best scenes in the entire movie. That's not because the rest of the movie is bad (it's incredible), but because the Batmobile revving in this movie is so. fucking. good.
I liked to believe that was the batmobile’s scene. Like its solo in an ensamble of other character’s solo moments in the film. It was introduced like another character in it of itself.
Literally took the words out of my mouth; that was one of those rare movie moments that I will _never_ forget watching for the first time, especially since it was in a cinema
One small detail I love about The Batman was how despite being an overall serious movie with little humor, I feel they were able to get it in with how Bruce/Batman had to keep going back to the club and dealing with the twins with pretty much the same result every time. I think they did this three different times throughout the movie and they always made me laugh.
The Batman was a good movie but not groundbreaking. I still prefere Bale's Batman. and having the pathetic SJW "evil white men" nonsense said by "Catwoman" was so garbage. calling white people "evil" these days should be the equivalent of the N word. I mean, enough is enough. how longer is the hypocritical leftist Hollywood going to mention this nonsense? while at the same time removing black characters from their movies for the Chinese market.
Also the scene where he tells Selina how her friend was looking bad when he was stalking them. The way Selina looked at him and he never got what he just said was just extremely funny to me.
My favourite of those was when he went as Bruce Wayne, and the first bouncer tells the second "See?" Because of *course* it's going to be hard to believe Bruce Wayne would show up at the door of a place like that.
What i loved about The Batman was the realization after watching it, that both Batman and Riddler wanted the same thing. They are like the opposite sides of the same coin. This is rare to see done so well.
Penguin going "I got him!!" to the jaw drop when the Batmobile came from the flames made me laugh and is genuinely one of the best moments in the film, it was not only funny but a great tension break in a movie that really kept it sustained and needed it.
I didn't laugh, I found it awesome and slightly scary. Then Batman slowly walking towards the Penguin with that amazing theme in the background was fucking terrifying. PEAK. BATMAN.
Honestly it should've been kept out of the trailers. Such a good moment that would've worked better as a surprise. Good for anyone who didn't watch these trailers prior to seeing the movie
I personally didn't like nwh either. When i start telling reasons, some were mad at me. Spiderman homecoming is the only one i liked from mcu spidey trilogy
The ending with batman realizing the negative side that he spread previously a d then brough light to help the people was such an emotional unforgettable experience to see. I rarely cry to movies or scenes. Nut that one really put the mark with everything that was built up until that point. A remarkable character growth and exactly how i wish to see more in films
Thing for me is in the Batman the opening is great the car chase is great his end monologue was great but it the movie should’ve ended with the monologue Some parts could’ve been cut down Dragged in the middle for me And yes riddlers riddles were too easily solved And the end riddle is just him pulling up the carpet pretty lucky that he happened to be above that carpet Basically while the Batman has better cinematography sound and look Spider-Man is much better paced and doesn’t last 3 hours which will have me watching Spider-Man over again much more
@@cactustalks may be better paced but the lighting and set designs reminds me of the first avengers movie. Looks flat like a tv show. NWH to mention how the most important villains were actually Oc and Norman, the others didn't have to be there and you can take put one or them without changing much. In contrast to The Batman every villain added to Batman's arc and the story. Riddler is the trigger for the story, Pegging is the red herring and Falconi is the rat, the head of the corruption. I rather watch a ground breaking, emotionally invested cinematic masterpiece that nails and gives me The Batman I wanted from the live action adaptation. A damaged, observant detective that sacrifices his personal desires/life for gotham(ie looking back at Selina in his bike's mirror, essentially indicating she's the one that got away), someone who strikes fear in criminals but is the hope of the city and is compassionate about children, especially orphans and to the villains he encountered( ie : when he apologizedto Catwoman about what he said after she explained why Falcone owend her the money).I watched NWH 3 times and liked it less(I only like specific moments), I watched The Batman twice (one for the story and the second for Robert) and found the things I found annoying like the run time, wasn't affecting me because it needed every minute to tell this story. I even appreciated the voice-mail scene and this is because of Robert, Zoe's and the actor for Gordan's incredible acting. To catwoman's pacing, to Batman listening and visually what happening because he knew at the end she was being strangled and Gin's horror. Also when Catwoman broke down on tears after hearing her screams. Absolutely incredible. I still love NWH, but thus analysis of the movie comparing it to Batman was spot on
Dude. This has been the kind of film community enthusiasts I have ever wanted to see. Honest to themselves and accepts differences without babbling over which one is better. Great job!
@@pandogstudios1512 homecoming is decent at best far from home is garbage because of its lazy ass writing. Peter just wants to get with a. Girl lmao. Nick fury has to tell him to get involved Peter should of felt the responsibility. Don’t turn around and say it was their plan all along to have a 3 movie origin and Peter only learns responsibility in NWH cuz it’s bs back in civil war Peter knew about responsibility as he said a paraphrasing of that speech to Tony in civil war
@@HirstMovies Homecoming is very solid, one of the best films in the MCU. Far From Home is really bad when it comes to plot, but decent/good when it comes to characters. No Way Home has a bad plot too, but great character work. The Batman has some bad stuff with the plot too, mainly the Riddler's plan during the climax not making any sense and going against what he has been doing up to that point.
@@HirstMovies bro I thought I was the only one who saw it that way toms Spider-Man’s character never grew home coming was decent and with far from home the bar was set so low no way home looked amazing in the trilogy compared to it if it wasn’t for the old Spider-Man returning and classic villains it would be on the same level and far from home he learned the great power already with tony stark during the Cival war arc
The ending of The Batman is seriously one of the most haunting and beautiful things I've ever seen in a comic book film. It's this awe inspiring act of heroism burning brightly through all the hopelessness and misery that covers Gotham in this film.
The Batman is the first comic book film that I've genuinely loved in a really long time. It feels so meticulous, atmospheric and intelligent compared to most stuff coming out these days. While I enjoyed 'No Way Home', it was mostly because of nostalgia, whereas 'The Batman' feels like a different beast altogether. I love the film noir detective thriller aspects of this movie, and how it focuses more on Batman's psyche. I really hope Matt Reeves can expand on that tone with the sequel.
This video is well done put. It's weird that The Batman got me going in twice in the cinema but not No Way Home. Yes, No Way Home had a great colab from all 3 generations, but I think the amount of CGI used in there just doesnt appeal to me anymore. (Perhaps, this is the sign of me getting older). The Batman truly satisfied me and the whole movie isn't just 24/7 action but we actually get to see his detective side with a real mental burn while hunting down Riddler. In fact the use of the CGI in The Batman was barely more than 2 or 3 scenes said it all. Loved both movies but The Batman is definitely the better cup of tea for me.
I think you summed up perfectly my growing disinterest in Marvel. They have their movies down to a science to the point where there’s nothing special about them. The Batman is so great I’ve seen it multiple times in theatres this month and it really just gets me that the movie has such an artistic flair to it. So many little things that went into it that most Marvel movies are missing at this point.
True, in fact, most arguments that can be made against a marvel movie can be made against all of them because of how similar they are, it’s like cloning a movie but making the bright colors the kids like a little bit different
Every MCU movie these days are like making a movie with checklists - Overpowered female leads, check - Cheap awkward jokes hamfisted into serious moments, check - Some LGBT moments and references, check - Nostalgia bait, check - Push aside original characters for newer less likeable replacements, check Dr Strange 2 should have been named Scarlet Witch cause Strange was just pushed aside in his own movie. Even the promotional materials are all just pushing Wanda first and Dr Strange himself as an after thought.
Though I really enjoyed Spider Man No Way Home, I can't see myself watching it again anytime soon. However, I am going to watch The Batman in theaters again. I love the sound design, the suit that isn't CG at all, the amazing Batmobile, the brilliant acting by Paul Dano and Robert Pattinson, and the great cinematography and the dark tone/hue that the film has. I don't really like the bright stuff that the Marvel movies have. The Amazing Spider Man looked the best in my opinion because the movie was set in a tone that I personally enjoy more. In the end, I don't think that the Batman is objectively better than Spider Man No Way Home, but I do know that I enjoyed it much more. And that's surprising.
I'm going to see the batman for the 3rd time, I'll probably never watch nwh again. At least, I don't see the point of going to a cinema to watch it again when its so ugly, why bother with a big screen
@@jamesduffy7549 I watched no way home again 3 times in theater first time it was amazing to see the old characters again after the second watch I found a lot of issues/plot holes in the movie and by the 3rd time I got kinda board I rewatched it after it’s release and the nostalgia sets in I really just skip until the 30min when the old Spider-Man show up it’s enjoyable for what it is but there’s definitely so much more they could have done the original concept was kravens last hunt but it was scraped and honestly I don’t think the movie would have made all that money
Finally someone actually said it. People calling Spiderman no way home "The best superhero movie ever made" made me question whether I watched the right movie. I just couldn't get immersed in the story at all with the glaring cgi or people feeling distant (even when they're in the same room).
It's not even the best Spiderman movie ever. Nothing will ever top Spiderverse its just soo good easily best spiderman movie ever and one of the best superheroes ever made
Even though the Batman has only been out for a couple of months, I consider it to be the greatest superhero movie ever…Even better than the Dark Knight
I think something that could’ve been brought up in this video was how each movie utilized their villains. Both movies have a large rogues gallery, but imo The Batman’s villains feel like they have more of a reason to be there than NWH’s. The Batman basically has three villains we focus on, Riddler, Penguin, and Falconi. Sure Catwoman and the corrupt government could also be villains, but Catwoman is really only an antagonist for one fight scene and the bad cops are more like a plot device. All three of the “main” villains I listed have a reason to be in the plot. Riddler is the trigger for the story, Penguin is the red herring, and Falconi is the rat, the head of gothams corruption. In addition to orchestrating the whole movie’s plot, Riddler also has a personal connection to Bruce, calling out how he benefited from the corrupt reform program. Falconi also has strong connections to our main characters; he is both Selina’s father and made dirty deals with Bruce’s father. Penguin was Selina’s pimp and we assume after finding Selina’s girlfriend’s body in his car that he killed her. In addition, without Penguin in the movie, the mystery plot about who “The Rat” was would be very easy to figure out, as the only mob member left was Falconi. Every villain in The Batman has a strong emotional connection to one of our main characters and have strong connections to the narrative of the movie. Of the two secondary villains, I don’t think you would be able to take Penguin or Falconi out of the movie without losing something. In contrast, NWH has a lot of filler villains. Sandman and The Lizard really had no reason to be in the movie. They don’t really add anything to Tom’s arc, and they never got to speak with Tobey or Andrew either, so the connection they had from previous movies didn’t play either. Electro is also used like that; while he was really entertaining to watch onscreen, he could’ve been taken out of the movie without changing much of anything. Really, the most important villains in the movie, we’re Doc Ock and Green Goblin. Ock and Goblin each tied into Tom’s arc of trying to reform the villains. Tom succeeds with Ock at first, while Norman goes crazy before Tom can help him, killing Aunt May in the process. Ock represents Peter’s successes and humanity, while Norman represents Peter’s failure and rage. You need both of them in the movie. Norman is also essential because his connection with Tobey is used for the best moment of NWH, when Tobey *stops* Tom from killing him, really powerful after you’ve seen everything Tobey went through in his movies in the fallout of him killing Norman. I think what NWH needed was either to cut out most of the unnecessary villains and plotlines, or maybe have the movie be an eight-hour TV show, so we could’ve had a strong focus on *all* of the villains. We could’ve seen Sandman argue that he *wants* to go home to see his daughter. We could’ve seen Electro work more with Ock, Tom, And Norman; I’m sure the older Ock and Norman would have some advice for the younger Electro and Tom, about how technology can corrupt you. Maybe Andrew could’ve expressed internet in saving Lizard as he is the only living friend of his parents; I’m sure a proper conversation between Andrew and the Lizard about his parents would do wonders after Lizard inadvertently causes the death of Aunt May, *this* reality’s Peter’s “parent”. There was a lot of potential but ultimately the film didn’t have enough time to deliver on its incredibly ambitious premise. This is why I don’t mind The Batman being 15 hours long, it *needed* every second of that time to tell the grand story it wanted to. Overall, I enjoyed NWH, I loved all the moments when my childhood heroes and villains returned for one last hurrah, but I’m afraid of watching it again because I’ll probably notice cracks I don’t see the first time. Peace!
@@sussybaka4276 Norman was just crazy Electro wanted to stay in the universe, keep his new powers, and prevent peter from sending him home Sandman actually wanted to go home to see his daughter Doc ock regained control of his arms And lizard uhh.. he uhh.. uh.. that's basically it
When I came out of the cinema of The Batman I was genuinely amazed and happy. My dad kept going on about how great the audio was, while I kept talking abt how great it looked. The Batman is a cinematic masterpiece and I hope it changes how future blockbusters are made.
The things I like about the batman is that Gotham feels alive, it feels Gothic but not too gothic like Tim Burton more like a mixture of noir and a digitalize gothic. While for NWH New York just feel meh or empty doesn't have much personality to it. While Tobey's New York feels like a theater set where it's full of personality and the landscapes is just iconic and magical. I would even say the same to the Amazing series as New York feels busy, and bustling modern New York. While the MCU New York is just eh. The problem with it is that we don't get to see a lot of New York in the MCU unlike The Batman where we get a lot of Gotham
You literally took the words out of my mouth about the NY feel in Raimi Spider-Man. I think it's also because of the 2000s aesthetic that really gives a lot of vibes , something that is lacking on TASM and MCU Spidey.
yeah, I agree. They should've shown it more when JJ When calling Spider- man a killer after the death of his aunt. Seeing their reactions to his statement like in Spider-man into the spider verse when Peter died.
The Batman gave me vibes similar to Bladerunner 2049, so moody, visually and audially tantalizing with a story that provokes you to think about what it is to just be human rather than pure comic spectacle
So… the Batman is a ridiculously good movie all on its own. In fact it’s a 10/10 masterpiece in my opinion. But in No Way Home’s defence… I still think it does a better job with the story than people give it credit for, whilst it is packed with nostalgia for nostalgia’s sake I’d say a lot of it works on a deeper thematic level for Tom’s peters story. Dafoes Goblin tests toms ability to live up to his heroistic morals just as he did with tobey. Talking of Tobey… whilst he doesn’t get an end to any kind of arc like Andrew did (and needed) he doesn’t need it, he had a 3 movie arc testing his responsibility, his ability to be spider man and keep his morals, which is a lesson he passes down to Tom perfectly by stopping him from giving into revenge. It ties into the Raimi trilogy themes extraordinarily well. And as said earlier it closes andrews arc, revealing how he became after losing Gwen, giving him some hope that maybe he could work something out and giving him a redemption scene where he prevents Tom from suffering the same loss. Then the ending of toms sacrifice (albeit a little contrived) and his decision not to tell them for their own good ties in perfectly with one of the most Spider-Many pieces of dialogue ever written… “ sometimes we have to be steady and give up the thing we want most, even our dreams “
Also got to say I agree completely with any comments about cinematography, bad cg and missed opportunities in no way home. And especially the point about Score. The theme that plays during aunt mays death sequence and peters final sacrifice is a stunning piece that matches the Batman’s score… but as a whole the Batman really outshines it. Whilst having small light Motifs for the characters like, Ock, Goblin, Electro and tobey is nice, if you’re gonna go lazy with the score then just go all the way and use the themes properly in their entirety so we can get the glory of all 3 spidermen swinging to the og Spider-Man theme.
No, defenitly the batman has a 100% better story than NWH, NWH is basically full fan service that sometimes doesn’t have logic in anything according to multiverse/timelapse logic in the MCU, the batman doesn’t have those big holes in trama, also in NWH if that movie didnt have that nostalgia factor + tobey and andrew probably that movie would be a failure like the 2 movies before. NWH is really good but casual people just overrate it
I completely agree. While The Batman is a fullstop masterpiece of cinema (probably my favorite super hero film ever), No Way Home is also excelent, with great and meaningful character moments.
@@Joseabh24 oh yeah the Batman definitley has a better story. I just don’t think that means that Spider-Man’s is bad by proxy, the Batman is a perfect Batman story and NWH is a really very good Spider-Man story. Whilst the writing does occasionally make a few leaps in logic that doesn’t make it bad because character wise and theme wise it’s absolutely on point for what it should be. And I mean… if you remove all the nostalgia you remove the base plot as the plot revolves entirely around the villains and the conflict they bring into the picture. Also I just gotta say, homecoming’s really good… I’ll let you have far from home tho.
Take a person who hasn't watched the old spiderman films to watch No way home. He won't find it good. The only reason No way home works is nostalgia. Take a person who doesn't know anything about batman and he will still enjoy the movie as a thriller . That's called a good movie.
Comparing a movie set in a long running universe, to a first of the franchise, is genius. We should compare Endgame to Shazam next. Endgame makes no sense if you haven't seen an mcu film, so technically, Shazam is a better movie.
@@Agent-57 yes you do, even if you're on looking at Tom Holland's character, he's been in like 5 or 6 movies as that character. Thats like saying you don't have to watch any Lord of the Rings movie to understand Return of the King.
Maybe when the sequel comes out you'll have a chance to see the first movie in cinema as that's something some cinemas do for a couple of days. I'd definitely recommend it as some of the visuals and sound design were amazing in the cinema especially the car chase.
NWH, felt like a checklist. Even the "memes" felt corporate. For me, it should have been 2 different movies. One dealing with Peter identity revealed, and other for the 3 Spidermen together.
Felt the same with the Batman to me, just in the other direction: very checklist, but checking off what a lot of fans wanted (dark and gritty, realism, style, tone). I loved it, but it was a bit...relentless and at times cliché. A different kind of fan-service. I wouldn't have minded a bit of levity, I guess that's what happens with a more 'accurate' Batman but no Robin to lighten the mood. Maybe one day...
Neither of them should be compared. One's the concluding film of a multi-part story that also ties up loose ends to decades worth of preceding Spider-Man films, and the other is depicting its titular character in his formative years learning not just how to become a better vigilante, but also the general value of pursuing justice over vengeance. Both conclude on the same point about learning the nature of true heroism, but they use different plot devices to get to that point and obviously evoke very distinct tones. Not to mention No Way Home is a very fast-paced and kinetic adventure film and The Batman's very much going for that slow burn, detective mystery vibe like an extended 90's Batman graphic novel or BTAS.
Maybe first watch the video before you comment... You look like a clown. He's talking about the production in general, not the story or genre. And it is true, Disney has never really been able to produce a solid live-action movie that feels real, like real cinema. Most of their movies just feel flat and uninspired. And when WB or Sony tried to copy this method, they were instantly shot down because these movies felt flat and uninspired.
I literally just got back from seeing The Batman again and I love it even more than I did last time, Matt Reeves made one helluva film. I knew he was going to do great the second I saw the trailer at DC Fandome, I was instantly hooked. I cannot wait to see this franchise bloom
Seriously, the cinematography, colors and sound design in The Batman was beautiful. You really felt every gunshot, every sound in the movie whether it was the batmobile gearing up had an impact and gosh was it so beautiful to look at. Every shot was a work of art
As much as I love the MCU I'm getting tired of all the dull looking CGI. No Way Home, Eternals, Shang Chi, Black Widow all use the same CGI recipe. Yes, this helps with universe cohesion but boy is it dull. The Batman was a breath of fresh air the cinematography was fantastic, shot in camera, with the perfect blend of CGI.
This! We have an Oscar winning director in Eternals, and I was excited to see the different style, but it had the sameness to other Marvel movies. I'd rather watch Spiderverse a million times over because the animation was so fresh and new with a ton of heart.
Yes, this is what I have been going through recently. I’m a MCU fan and it’s getting to where I forget the movie right after I have seen it. The Batman was like a breath of fresh air to me. I didn’t view this movie as a traditional superhero movie.
Im not a big Batman fan and this convince me to watch it. Andy Serkis as Alfred, Batman being an actual hero, Colin Farrells's make up and great action sequences, just wowed me
I just saw the Batman for second time today after seeing it opening night. The second time I watched No Way Home I liked it less. However, after seeing the Batman again I love it even more.
Different audiences for different films, they’re not really comparable given they each have distinct purposes that are completely antithetical to each other. I do prefer the Batman, but NWH achieved what it set out to do.
I don’t know why people are constantly looking for ‘high art’ in superhero films. Nolan achieved it by basically not making a superhero film. NWH was hugely enjoyable. I don’t like the over-reliance on CGI but they were trying to hide a lot… the new Batman is a slog! I don’t think it tells us anymore about Batman that we haven’t learnt from the other 7 iterations in the last 10yrs!! Why not have some fun? Or go into the weird villains the character has?? NWH achieves that
Still The batman is still far superior to mcu movies The batman is good movie with good acting and writing about a superhero But mcu movies are just for entertaining
The part of the chase when the penguin unloads his Mac 10 into Batman’s window and Batman just stares him down without flinching as the rounds slowly start breaking through ballistic glass is absolutely terrifying and cool at the same time
The overhead shot of Batman walking the citizens through the water looked amazing and was a favorite shot. With how the light and shadows contrasted thanks to his flare it made the people walking behind him look like an extension of his cape.
In my opinion The Batman is a phenomenal movie that stands strong on its own. Nearly every Scene in The Batman you can tell Passion and heart was put into it. Not only that but truly defining Batman as The World’s Greatest Detective and directing him as more than just Vengeance, but the light of Gotham leading them from the darkness. With NWH you get the usual MCU style with occasionally cinematic moments. However The Batman tried something new, and put emphasis towards everything from defining Gotham as a corrupt place that can make even the Purest individual make a life-altering mistake, to giving each character qualities that set them apart from each other, and the actions of Batman speaking louder than his words ever could. It shouldn’t be any surprise that The Batman is better. I love NWH, but subjectively The Batman just gets a lot more right with its direction.
I’m with you on this one I do enjoy the Marvel movies they’re fun and for the most part quite entertaining but I loved The Batman so much and I think a lot of it had to do with a writing and directing effort from Matt Reeves where the focus was not making a bunch of money but making something that he was clearly quite passionate about. No Way Home is very fun but for me personally The Batman has way more re watchability. But hey that’s just one persons opinion.
I agree, for me I see No Way Home as a time-pass movie, something you put on in the background. The Batman on the other hand is a movie you sit down and watch time and again without feeling bored or tired of watching. I tend to find that to be the case with Marvel movies in general, they just pass time and something you put on in the background every now and then.
Spiderman nwh was just a nostalgia trip, and was honestly my least favorite movie in the homecoming trilogy. The Batman was an extremely well made and impressive film, my theater actually gave it a standing applause. Now I am definetly a marvel fan, but The Batman was the best film I have seen since Avengers Endgame.
I think both these movies are pretty fantastic honestly (especially when you consider No Way Home is sort of a light in the darkness for Marvel lately since their recent projects were pretty stale in comparison). The Batman here really does a good job showing the detective side of things, and No Way Home gave us a fun but deep story on Peter pretty much becoming a man. These two films are two totally different styles of movies and writing and I don't think it's fair to compare or judge them over one another. To me, doing that just sounds more like someone biased saying Marvel sucks and DC is better when they're ignoring both companies successes and failures. Just as an example, this is like comparing Danny Phantom to Spongebob. Both are tonally and visually different things with different themes and scripts (Danny's more mature while Spongebob's more geared to kids). Neither is better than the other.
@@IcyDiamond how on earth do you think that though? It's colour palette is an old white t shirt going grey. The camera movement is as inspired as a wet fart. Doc Ock looks so much worse than literally 20 years ago. MCU films are so jawdroppingly ugly
I remember watching No Way Home for the first time in theaters. I fucking loved every second of it, truly it was probably my favorite movie. BUT GOD DAMN, AFTER WATCHING THE BATMAN I THINK IT TOOK MY #1 SPOT.
What I appreciate about that shot in 5:29 is how it emphasized the Caped Crusader characteristic of Batman. I think most people forget that part because they got used to the crime fighting, vigilante characteristics of Batman. Overall, the movie is great because the characters drives the plot, it's not the other way around. I love the Nolan films, grew up with them but personally, I think The Batman is the best Live Action adaptation of the character so far.
No Way Home is an excellent crowd pleasing blockbuster, with a presentation that just couldn't match its story's ambitions. The Batman is an excellent movie and beats No Way Home in every way. Writing is more consistent, and the presentation is jaw-dropping in its style
If that’s your thoughts then there’s your reason why you’re not a film maker, far from home finally captured the Spider-Man character (after 3 movies 🤦♂️) and they finally got him where he needed to be. It taught him consequences for his actions, loss, and hope for the better. The film achieved almost everything it needed and wanted to do, calling that just a “crowd pleasing blockbuster” when it did its job is absurd. Both movies did their job and achieved what they needed to, the only difference is ones DC(which are Darker comics) and the other is Marvel (more happy and the classic superhero story). To say one is better than the other is pure opinion based, The Batman has its faults and everyone is ignoring them rn because it’s new and hot whereas NWH is currently being dethroned from the top as it’s not as new so now people are pointing out it’s faults more. Give The Batman 3-4 months and you’ll see what I was talking about. The Batman taught us almost nothing new about the character, it more so just brought in a new perspective for a movie Batman. To say the writing is consistent? Go watch it one more time but this time analyze the film as a true critic and not a Batman fan, the movie is only good for Batman fans as everyone else complains “Oh he didn’t really win” or “it’s too slow” which I could agree on as a lot of scenes just had unnecessary slowness to them to “add tension” but fails to do so after you realize Batman moves slower than a snail unless he’s fighting. That being said I love both films, I think they’re wonderful adaptations of the characters and they could both use some touch ups here and there but nothings perfect so I don’t mind the little things too much.
@@thatoneguy3253 I like both movies, and think they’re great in many ways. But Batman is better. The writing has its inconsistencies here and there, but nowhere near the degree of No Way Home. I love the emotional payoffs in it as much as everyone else, but the means through which they reach them are often illogical and contrived.
Wasn't expecting you to be so ruthless with No Way Home and removing the nostalgia glasses but The Batman is the best thing to do this with, brilliant video Full Fat!
The Batman was so rich, and I also feel that it spoke perfectly to our sense of despair and helplessness in our current reality--environmental decline, massive wealth inequality, and the rise of vigilante extremists taking advantage of technology to stoke outrage through grooming and misinformation. This movie was disarming because it was grounded in our reality and the anxieties of our time. I also like how the Selena Kyle character was positioned here, confronting Bruce in his detached, seemingly depressed apathy, reminding him of the very real issues at stake. This is exactly what a superhero story should be about! Even Batman began to despair, in the end showing true heroism in continuing the fight against all odds. I left the theater surprisingly touched, very convinced that we really do need a Batman.
@Full Fat Videos Ok yeah but you could make this same video with any marvel movie, and a good amount of DC ones too, because you're just using the same arguments that everyone uses for every marvel movie? They make a lot of money, they don't have a captivating color pallet, they make things harder for mid budget movies, yada yada. This video could have been "What The Batman Does That Marvel Doesn't" but everybody made that video 3 years ago when Joker came out. It's an artists vision made to tell a story instead of franchise building. We all get that by now and we know why marvel doesn't do that. It's because Spider-Man made a billion dollars, it continues to work, and that shouldn't be seen as a negative or a failure when a proper super hero "film" comes out a few months later. Everybody liked No Way Home. Comparing these two movies and their "use of reference" to movies and film tradition outside their own franchise as if they're trying to accomplish the same thing narratively seems like bad film criticism to me. Not to mention that John Hughes has been a huge visual influence on the Home series since day one, it's never been that this spider-man has only referenced marvel. You also probably shouldn't use fucking SPIDER-MAN as your example when you're going to complain about quipping during action. That's a bed rock quality of that character. It would work if your video were about The Batman vs Marvel house style in general, but not about The Batman vs No Way Home. No Way Home used the Marvel style probably the best out of all their movies, it feels like an incredibly poor target for this critique. Lastly, and I really don't mean to be rude, what is happening with that thumbnail? Usually you guys are on point with that but that one is not very good. This video feels kind of rushed and not thought out very well.
This does a really good job expressing the things i've noticed and felt about NWH but couldn't put into words. I came out of that movie thinking that it wasn't as good as it could have/should have been, and definitely feeling like a lot of people were overrating it. So glad i found this take on it. And yeah, the Batman was amazing. The narrative felt really good as it comes to a close. And the movie definitely had me on the edge of my seat on a few occasions.
Yeah after having rewatched No Way Home yesterday I noticed a lot of stuff that didn't stand out to me in the cinema. A minor thing that still stood out a lot was the lack of battle damage Garfield and Maguire had at the end. Their suits were pretty much completely clean and that was so odd to me.
I feel like a crybaby when I watch such a well made movie. There where about five times I burst out in tears during batman 12 in the cinema. Half because of the emotion portrayed and half because of the artistic quality.
My favorite part of The Batman is how it might just be the reset the superhero genera of movies need. It's fitting that grunge music, but especially Nirvana was such an inspiration to this movie. Just as how the entire Nevermind album changed music forever, and really said "Go genuine or go home", this movie is that for superheroes. I especially like how the stakes never went past the limits of Gotham, that even though Riddler could do more damage beyond the city limits, he chose to stay inside the city and send a message to everyone else. It's kinda like how although Nevermind was bigger and rocking throughout, the fact that it ended on the subdued "Something in the Way", it chose to stay grounded as well, and not being this bombastic affair (I don't view Endless, Nameless as an official track, but rather a secret bonus added later, as it doesn't jive with the album's ending)
I am not going to lie technically Batman is superior, but I don't think that makes NWH an inferior movie. I think NWH really succeeded at telling a good story with sprinkles of nostalgia. Does the Batman have more of a distinctive feel yes, does NWH wake up the little kid in me and put Pete through hell yes. I appreciate both for what they are.
I'm not even on the train that Batman is "technically" better. NWH has some amazing camerawork and staging throughout. Even the early apartment scene is a showcase of blocking.
@@pleaserewind295 Nah, The Batman has possibly the best cinematography in a comic book movie. NWH relies too much on green screen and CGI and it´s pretty noticeable. Of course, I still think NWH is a 8.5/10 movie, but I wouldn´t compare it to something like The Batman
Love how when Batman walks to penguins car we see the car door around the screen which puts you in the penguins eyes and feel upside down with him where most most would just either flip the camera in post or just set it down upside down and it shows every part of that no like three cuts and a diffrent one showing us him look down we get all of that in his perspective
Yeah I can't believe the praise Spiderman NWH is receiving. As cool as it was to see Andrew and especially Toby back and some great character moments between them all, having it release so close to Dune and The Batman (so they have the same cinematographer, wow, makes sense tho, the guy's an obvious master at it) really just left it in the dust visually and in many other ways. It really shows how lazy and uninspired the MCU is now, and how it may be time for it's predominance in cinema to end in favor of more inspired films in the future.
i will say it. The batman made me think more than spider man no way home. In spider man no way home i felt pure joy. In the batman i felt conflicted. The length of the film was against me, so i was a bit tired. But this film made me think deeper, and dive deeper into bruce's mind.
The batman was not deep at all tho. Very surface level film that didn't make viewers think at all. It was basically just one big car chase with a few terrible riddles throughout the movie. The riddler was the only attempt at any depth in the film but he was terrible and no one cared about him lol
@@agecali7893 lmao that’s hilarious because if anything no way home was not deep at all and was more intended for younger audience. In the Batman, batman used to be a symbol of fear but then he became a symbol of hope
Now that you've pointed it out, I wish we got more scenes with civilians in No Way Home. After the bridge fight with Doc Ock everyone seems to disappear and it does make New York feel empty and overly clean. Like where did Goblin go after he first fought Holland? It would've been cool to see the villains actually put more lives at risk.
I can’t believe Dock and Green Goblin were not the final villains… Sandman and the lizard… why?? Doc was treated poorly in this movie. They made fun of his powers, made fun of his name, locked him up for over 20 minutes, and they threw him out the window……. JUST WHY?!!
Honestly, the flack NWH gets about focusing too much on callbacks to the previous movies is strange to me, cuz I'm just thinking "well, what did you expect?" Not hating, just stating a thought I've had
That’s why this comparison is stupid, of course No Way Home was gonna be this film that was trying to tug at your nostalgia, it was advertised as that, The Batman is meant to reboot Batman instead of reminding you of his other iterations, they’re both doing totally different things
I did love the cinematography of The Batman, the first 20 minutes or so set such a great tone for the rest of the movie. I loved that it wasn't 'all those wonderful toys' Batman but was the detective type Batman, noticing clues and lurking in the background and watching. The repeated use of the heavy footsteps when the Batman was coming, from the subway scene through the Penguin car crash. The cape is mostly unused except for being a negative in the ending fight scenes, but looks great as part of the costume. No over explanation of key plot points (like the Wayne parents) makes you pay more attention to the scenes that reinforce his past. Just such a well done film.
I was talking to a friend about The Batman and I told him how I actually preferred it over No Way Home. Honestly I even prefer Far From Home over No Way Home. Maybe it was the amount of hype around it and everyone naming it the greatest Marvel film ever so my expectations were too sky high.
I enjoyed both, but they’re both kind of overrated. No Way Home was kind of doomed to this because it played on a lot of nostalgia while the plot was sort of weak and mostly to bring all the Spider-Men together, but it was a very enjoyable movie. The Batman has a great ambience and portrayal of Gotham, but the final conflict is kind of weak and it has all these moments that completely drop the tension at some points.
@@satishpatil1198 I didn't hate the movie I just think it's getting over hyped you fan boys are some of the biggest cry babies whenever someone disagrees with you it's hilarious and I enjoyed No Way Home as much as I did The Batman
For me, its just not fun to pit these two movies against each other. Like idk, whats even the point? It just doesnt vibe with me, i had a great time with both movies and they are very different to begin with so why compare them?
I think at the end of the day, both movies set out to do different things from the get go. Spider-Man No Way Home represents comic books as feel-good crowd pleaser. Its story is simple, with a few holes in it, but you barely care because of how hype it is. It's a rollercoaster and you're on adrenaline all the way. The Batman, on the other hand, represents comic books as a narrative medium. It's a slow burn methodical crime drama. Coincidentally, both movies perfectly represent some of both characters' more recognizable comic runs from recent years. The Spider-Verse comic run which inspired No Way Home had a fairly simple plot that doesn't make much sense when you think about it. But you barely care because of its hype moments and the celebration of so many Spider-People coming together. It's a crowd pleaser through and through. Meanwhile, a lot of great Batman comics rely on clever writing and suspenseful mystery, leading the readers to try and figure out the plot's secret alongside Batman. It's honestly like comparing Berserk to Demon Slayer. Yeah, both series focuses on the protagonist fighting supernatural demons and entities on their quest, but both can't be any more different than the other. Berserk is a complex character-exploration that would have readers pondering the moral message of the story for years to come. Demon Slayer is a feel-good action, good vs evil narrative that is really more about the hype of the moment than anything else. Mostly because it's not trying to do anything outside of that.
I find the MCU Spider-Man to be very similar to the animated Spider-Man tv show I grew up watching as a kid. I think NWH is pretty close to the source material they draw inspiration from and it is definitely entertaining. Though I guess everyone has different opinions, like how I thought Aquaman was good but lots of people hated it
@@isaaclo4820 well one day you gotta realize what actually is a good film vs something you enjoy watching. Some people like some really bad movies that have terrible writing, terrible character development, but they like it for some weird reason. Aqua man, I watched it but I personally didn’t really care for it because I don’t really care for his character. However I believe you’re wrong because I heard wayyyyy more people love the film than hate on it and last I checked it had a pretty high rating
+Isaac | Tom’s Peter and TAS Peter are so ridiculously different that there is literally no point for comparison. Unless you mean spectacular spider man, which they were similar but still different
Why bother to compare the two movies? They are completely different besides the fact they are about popular superheroes. The Batman did something that No Way Home didn't, and probably didn't set out to do. That could be said about any movie that is compared to another.
I think your assesment is spot on. The trailer sold me unlike No Way Home. It was so different from other superhero trailers. I've seen BATMAN twice already.
The Batman is a masterpiece. I’ve seen it 9 times in theaters and I still got new things from it each time I saw it. Looking forward to seeing it on hbo max next week!
One of the things I really liked, and it's just a small character detail, was the change in how regular Gotham citizens reacted to Batman from the beginning to the end of the film. At the start of the movie the man who is saved from the Joker gang reacts in fear to Batman, while, at the end of the movie, the woman he carries to paramedics clutches at him as if she doesn't trust anyone else to keep her safe. I thought that progression was a nice payoff. And can we all begin to agree that Michael Giacchino is this generation's version of John Williams? That musical score is so much better than anything you'd hear in a Marvel movie. 💯
Well, NWH had the incredible scene when Tom was about to kill GG and Tobey stepped in, and neither of them said anything, they just communicated through their eyes, so it's not always true that the heroes never shut up. But ultimately, each film is for a different audience, there's probably a lot of kids and casuals that saw NWH who can't always pick up on subtleties, whereas The Batman is more of a cinemagoer's film, and can put a bit more trust in the viewer's critical analysis abilities.
That was one of the rare times it happened and I think its one of the best moments in the movie. It would be cool if they said more with less. At the same time, I don't want Spidey to be mute! But that is a really good example of it imo
but the scene where tobey stopped tom is stupid. why would he turn his back against an obviously evil green goblin? and not to mention the pointless stab scene. the stab was just for audience suspense, no consequences whatsoever. didn't add to the plot or story. just for that shock fan service.
NWH fans are really pissed of now lmao "you can't compare these two" He doesn't compare the movies as a whole, he compares the artistic vision behind these movies and the things that make a good movie.
My biggest problem with Marvel nowadays is that it has too much humor when it is not needed. They seem to be more interested in making an action movie with a lot of comedy than telling a compelling and character-driven story. It's almost like they are afraid to go the dark and grim route for fear it will not do well. While understandable, there are just some comic books that they can only be told in a serious tone and the modern day Batman is definitely on that list. I'm not against humor in a comic book, quite the opposite. I expect there to be humor in some comic book movies, especially Spider-Man as his sarcasm is one of his greatest qualities, but not in every single movie. What's more is that it seems the humor is almost forced rather than let it flow at the right time. For me personally, I want to see a comic movie where the hero is a flawed character with internal conflict and over the course of the movie goes through an arc of character development. That is what The Batman was chiefly about. Batman starts out at the beginning of the movie as an angry, vengeful man who has let his trauma define him and comes to realize that his anger has caused Gotham more harm than good and must learn to change for the better. Spider-Man (Holland) went through an arc in No Way Home too, but I just found myself more interested in The Batman than Spider-Man No Way Home.
This isn't even a comparison? All you've done is praise elements of The Batman, while criticising elements of No Way Home. You could at least use comparable examples from the two films, instead of intentionally putting No Way Home's worst shots against The Batman's best.
Its almost like he didn’t actually want to conpare them and just brought in another popular superhero film to make The Batman look better in comparison
I feel like he is moreso comparing the mcu’s style of filmmaking vs matt reaves’ and talking abt how he like matt reaves’ more because it is a more traditional style film but i dont think it is necessarily nwh’s fault but moreso the mcu’s it’s harder to have movies in the mcu each have their own style behind the camera without losing the sense of a connected universe he compares these 2 movies also cause batman and spider-man are the kingpins of their respective companies
@Confessions Of A Movie Freak i dont see what makes a movie good if less people like it. How are mcu fans butthurt if their movie of choice is clearly the majority vote for the best movie of all time. Even if you think batman is so much better (i like it a lot), if most people like nwh more, (skewed opinions or not), why does it matter what you like better, calling mcu fans butthurt because they are the minority in one youtube comment section
Something I love about recent DC films, is that while Marvel is making a huge, cohesive universe, DC has finally understood that they need to step away and let filmmakers make their movies and to hell with a cohesive cinematic world. We’ve seen this with films like Todd Phillips’ Joker, James Gunn’s The Suicide Squad, not to mention the more stylised and comedic films like Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of one Harley Quinn), Shazam! and Aquaman. No matter what you think of these films, they are clearly the product of one filmmaker, one vision, and don’t have the same air of studio interference as films like the Theatrical Cuts of Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice and Justice League. Marvel films don’t really have that same individuality. Is that a bad thing. Not really. I think most of the MCU has been pretty good. Sometimes the lack of individuality in tone or style works because it’s easier to believe all these films are the same world, whereas I find it hard to believe that The Suicide Squad was the same world as Suicide Squad (2016), let alone films like Man of Steel. Marvel have been really good at crafting a flowing cinematic universe that makes sense when you view things in the wider picture. The problem with the DCEU was that they jumped the gun, making the fourth film in the same amount of years the Justice League movie. There was just no patience, no real development of these characters, and far too much meddling from the studio who wanted something to break billions of dollars when the reason that characters like Batman appeal to filmmakers, at least in my opinion, is that you can go weird. Batman can be odd and stylised. It can be a dark crime drama one film and the next one can be an insane fantasy.
There was this tweet I saw on a screenshot of a shot in NWH when peter is standing in front of a jumbotron showing JK Simmons while it rains. The tweet was gushing about this shot about how beautiful it is. Dude The Batman was like this from the first to the last shot
Two things that always bothered me about No Way Homes. First, the way the entire conflict is set up feels like a joke, in that Peter was being way too talkative during the spell and it feels like a weird way to start such a life-changing event in Peter's life. Second, I REALLY wish they showed us the villains actually going back to their dimensions and living better lives. I'm sure they could have cut a few whatever jokes in the film, or cut out the unnecessary Venom scene, to see the villains happy and make Peter's sacrifices worth it. As it stands, we don't get any closure on that and while we can assume Peter helped them out, it leaves the audience with very little catharsis and feels like it's incomplete. And I have no idea if they did this, but even if they do that in an extended cut or deleted scene, it doesn't count if it's not in the film when I paid to see it in theaters.
I couldn't disagree more Spiderman no way home reintroduced established characters in a way that made sense and gave them all a satisfying payoffs. They were more than a cameo. I'm sorry but that was "a gorgeous and thrilling experience" The Batman was pretty good
@@jacktease27 This is what I don't like about yt's so called critics bruh like okay the batman is a far better movie well written and crafted on the other hand NWH wasn't trying to be a cinematic masterpiece it was just made for full fanservice and it delivered on that pretty greatly. yeah there are plotholes and inconsistencies here and there but who tf cares about that when you got to see 3 spider-men on screen dafoe's iconic goblin and all the old villains again.
@@supergeek7134 I normally really like full fat but I feel that this video was very disingenuous. Like the team on NWH didn't care But The Batman team did
Why the hell are you comparing the 2? They’re not even comparable, 2 TOTALLY different movies. Ugh, I hate whenever a good DC movie comes out people use it to bash Marvel. They’re different, they’re for different audiences. Thats ok
@@spider-man500 debatable. Way too long with a few weak performances, which in a super-serious film just shows up more. Still enjoyed it though but no masterpiece.
@@a.d8509 hmmmm people were praising Paul Dano but I personally wasn't convinced in the Arkham scenes. Also - and this is more of a personal thing - John Turturro was just John Turturro. Love him, but he's the same guy playing the same evil character. They didn't do anything to distinguish him, like they did with Colin Farrell. Other than that, solid performances all round.
The fact that they are both big superhero blockbusters is the point of comparison here. Its the filmic elements that are being compared such as score, sound design and visuals. This is something you can compare between these two movies very aptly
@@nappyninja I mean I’ll admit that The Batman had better directing than No Way Home, it just felt like some of his comparisons were him not understanding No Way Home
@Parvis I mean I think some of his complaints are fair, like The Batman’s directing blows No Way Home’s directing out of the water, I just think that if you’re gonna compare two movies, at least make sure the two movies have something in common
@Parvis I’ll admit he made some good points, like they should’ve played more classic music in No Way Home, I just feel calling the video “The Batman Did What Spider-Man: No Way Home Couldn’t” makes no sense since they’re both trying to achieve different things
they're different genres though, Batman is a thriller and is the batman, its meant to be grungy and claustrophobic. Spiderman is an MCU movie, theres a lot of jokes and haha quirky characters. Batman is artsy and is a DC movie with no formula, No Way Home is a disney marvel movie that is set in its tone. It's not a fair comparison but i understand your point. There's nothing we can do to change it though
That reminds when people compared The Avengers to Dark Knight Rises. It's not comparable, one is the beginning of Universe, and the other is the ending of a trilogy. Now we have a beginning of a trilogy, and an ending to a character arc that was established before. And it's different style so it shouldn't be really compared. Edit: having said that it's a great video on how cinematic The Batman is and what's missing in the recent MCU movies.
Hey man!!! I am greatly a supporter of your thoughts and Content!! I'm disappointed that there is so much division in the comments, but unfortunately not surprised. I agree with your take here, the batman is a game changer, and i think its only right we demand more from marvel and blockbusters in general. Anyways, i was wanting to ask if you planned on making a in depth video on the batman similar to what you did with you earlier content, and my favorite video of yours the Spiderman 2 and whiplash double feature. Well its amazing withing man!! Hope your well, and Stay Shining !!!
Great essay! This was the video I was waiting to happen. I needed this video essay so bad!!! I compared these films too and The Batman just did it better. Thank you for making this video discussing the distinctions of the films.
I personally prefer The Batman because the story was great though it is a bit of a slow burn. The acting from most (if not all) the cast was superb! It was just a tad bit too visually dark HAHAHA But I've come to accept that Batman movies will just be darkness at this point. Still, as a long-time fan of Rob Pat, I was very happy that he nailed this role! And it's nice to see more broody sides of Batman hueheuhue No Way Home was a very fun watch though. As much as it was "nostalgia bait", it was still very interesting. I mean it was cool af to see all the Spidermans come together and I fangirled like crazy. Though I personally think the previous Tom holland Spiderman movies were somewhat better. I found Tom Holland to be a tad bit annoying in NWH, just a bit. The target demographic for both is quite different. I personally think the Batman is for more mature audiences while the Spiderman can be enjoyed by both young and old alike! I just hope DC and Marvel fans can just enjoy both for what they are. No need to hate on the other ♡♡♡ Just love and peace guys!!!
My biggest pet peeve is when someone say these movies shouldn’t be compared because one is light and one is dark NO they very much should be compared because there is a certain level of artistry that goes into any type of film and just because a movie is meant to be more fun and lighthearted isn’t a excuse to have lazy storytelling, and plot holes, and bad lighting with pour CGI 🤦♂️
Batman had plotholes too tho. And times where the writers clearly wanted to say one thing but backed off right away, dulling the impact of the revelations prior. Both movies have flaws and both have strengths. And they’re also in 2 different genres, the only thing linking them is that they both have a comic book hero in them
@@mbaseballfan96 please tell me one plot hole in the Batman movie ? And I disagree the movie was very daring and took chances and didn’t back away from them risks they took.
@@troybracy2915 I mean they did kind of walk back the Wayne's corruption, I like that because I've always thought stories of making the Waynes corrupt kind of ignores the point of the Waynes but they did walk it back. Not really a plot hole but I'd also say the reveal of the rat was dumb like I think it's meant to be big but it was pretty obvious that Falcone is behind all the corruption in he city like all the people Riddler killed hung out in his lounge. Honestly a lot of the detective stuff was kind of off like the fact that Batman and Gordon's first thought was a Penguin with the rat clue was dumb.
@@mikemorro140 I don’t feel like they walked back the corruption of the Wayne’s at all because Thomas Wayne still tried to cover up dirt by hiring a criminal to have a reporter silenced now however the criminal decided to handle it isn’t the main point the point is he still hired a criminal to cover up dirt on Martha. As for the mystery I think it was genius because you have Batman and Gordon making mistakes witch made the story more engaging, if you made them perfect then we wouldn’t have a good mystery movie. I think the Batman was close to a masterpiece all across the bored.
Batman and No Way home are literally poles apart in quality. One is a masterfully crafted artwork and other is run of the mill Marvel popcorn flick created purely for fan service
The batmobile revving up has to be one of my favorite scenes from a superhero movie. The car looked like a car that could exist if someone went ham on customizing
I'm a bit fed of up of people saying that I hate No Way Home in its entirety lol; there's lots of things I like, just nothing really relating to the cinematography, editing or sound like I've looked at in this video. As follows:
- Tom Holland is a great Spider-Man. I enjoyed how much darker he got to take it and I could easily do ten more movies with the guy.
-Garfeild characterised as the romantic, expressive Spider-Man was great. "I love you guys". I also think the line delivery on wanting to have brothers was particularly sweet.
-Tobey. Enough said.
- Dafoe never phones it in. I saw someone say Thanos is the MCU's Darkseid, and Goblin is the MCU's Joker - and I totally see that.
- Aunt May finally got something to do.
-The big three villains were all brought to life beautifully. In particular, Jamie Foxx's Electro got a BIG upgrade. Not only in look and power, but he was way more fun in general. "I kinda like who I am in this universe." That grin could almost secure a spin-off.
- Peter #3 catching MJ was great, even if everyone guessed it online for weeks from that final trailer.
- Lastly, the love and affection Spider-Man fans of three generations had for seeing the trio unite was really cool. And you could feel that everyone involved was having a really good time. The special features and interviews have been just as satisfying to explore as the movie.
I sought to compare it to the Batman in this video because I think as fun as these Home movies are, they could do a lot more. I'm not saying that No Way Home would need to act and feel like the Batman to achieve this. Also, its just a movie! My opinion on it won't burn your digital copy or make Jon Watts quit the profession. The movie was an overwhelming success. But can we have some more contrast next time, please?
I would love to see you make video essays about the 4 Species films.
you funny The Batman not even 1/2 as successful as No Way Home
Batman s third act was garbage. You are a butt hurt dc fan.
Well I gotta say. Nothing in Batman is ground breaking. It's just the same dark spy Batman movie all over again.
The movies you referenced
Like matrix resurrections and matrix 3 weere critically oanned for their horrible cinematography. Comparing those movies with the Batman only degrades your opinion. Batman didn't do anything innovative. It's might be a good movie. But it didn't do anything special other than doing everything the same dark, dceu style with some nolanishque style action and dialogue and with a rushed up third part.
I don't like to compare movies especially movies which are from completely different genres. You simply skipped over the good things about no way home
Like Peter s character growth, his sacrifice
The great music and redemption of other characters and the perfect balance between all the characters. It elevated spiderman to a whole new level meanwhile Batman remained the same old Gotham boy fighting street crimes. I get it. It's your opinion. But I highly disagree with it.
Disney these days have perfected making films to the most efficient level fun to watch but never ground breaking cinema! Loving the direction of the new DC stuff “Batman” and the previous “joker” films as they’re not trying to compete with the MCU instead they’re focusing on the individual storys rather than a massive universe hopefully they keep it up!!
Ooay virgin.
@@chesteradams7423 Yes how dare he have an opinion
Moon Knight isn’t a movie
@spidey sure they will buddy. I can hope for Moon Knight to be good, but Doctor Strange 2 is purely gonna be nostalgia bait 🤷♂️
I would argue they have made some of the most groundbreaking stuff movies, in a variety of ways. Look at guardians or endgame or even no way home. Wether you dig them or not, these movies were groundbreaking. There is nothing like them, nor will there be anything like them. Don’t get me wrong, the Batman is much more of a traditional movie. But don’t undersell the marvel stuff just because out don’t like them. The reason they are so fun is partially because they are so solid
I remember sitting in the cinema watching The Batman right as the car scene was about to start, when Bruce starts up the bat mobile.. The ground literally started shaking as he started the car and continued through the whole scene. Thats a movie experience I will never forget.
The Batmobile revving is one of the best scenes in the entire movie. That's not because the rest of the movie is bad (it's incredible), but because the Batmobile revving in this movie is so. fucking. good.
@anime gear fr the sound quality was so good I remember hearing what felt like real rain behind me in one scene
that's the sub bass in theatres for ya! it literally rips trough ya!
I liked to believe that was the batmobile’s scene. Like its solo in an ensamble of other character’s solo moments in the film. It was introduced like another character in it of itself.
Literally took the words out of my mouth; that was one of those rare movie moments that I will _never_ forget watching for the first time, especially since it was in a cinema
One small detail I love about The Batman was how despite being an overall serious movie with little humor, I feel they were able to get it in with how Bruce/Batman had to keep going back to the club and dealing with the twins with pretty much the same result every time. I think they did this three different times throughout the movie and they always made me laugh.
The Batman was a good movie but not groundbreaking. I still prefere Bale's Batman.
and having the pathetic SJW "evil white men" nonsense said by "Catwoman" was so garbage.
calling white people "evil" these days should be the equivalent of the N word.
I mean, enough is enough. how longer is the hypocritical leftist Hollywood going to mention this nonsense?
while at the same time removing black characters from their movies for the Chinese market.
Also the scene where he tells Selina how her friend was looking bad when he was stalking them. The way Selina looked at him and he never got what he just said was just extremely funny to me.
My favourite of those was when he went as Bruce Wayne, and the first bouncer tells the second "See?" Because of *course* it's going to be hard to believe Bruce Wayne would show up at the door of a place like that.
Those twins were the same twins in teen wolf on MTV it's been a long time now but that was a cool show
Batman: do you know who i am
Bruce: do you know who i am
What i loved about The Batman was the realization after watching it, that both Batman and Riddler wanted the same thing. They are like the opposite sides of the same coin. This is rare to see done so well.
nicely put
The vengeance thing if that is what you are talking about also applied to Catwoman
hmm “coin,” i remember Harvey Dent all of a sudden hahaha
Penguin going "I got him!!" to the jaw drop when the Batmobile came from the flames made me laugh and is genuinely one of the best moments in the film, it was not only funny but a great tension break in a movie that really kept it sustained and needed it.
Yeah, the fun, the rage just goes from 0 to 60.
I didn't laugh, I found it awesome and slightly scary. Then Batman slowly walking towards the Penguin with that amazing theme in the background was fucking terrifying. PEAK. BATMAN.
@LittleRedRhuari 1000% peak Batman. Just so well done and it felt so earned because it wasn't as flashy as a film. It used its action really well.
Honestly it should've been kept out of the trailers. Such a good moment that would've worked better as a surprise. Good for anyone who didn't watch these trailers prior to seeing the movie
@@vomitspit1560 it was lit. The thing sounds like a beast.
It's ironic that No Way Home had way more pieces to play with than The Batman, but Batman is the movie I'd gladly watch in the theater more than once.
Same Mr Tuise
It is your opinion and just because you prefer Batman doesn't make that movie better than nwh.
@@sabalkr nwh is trash
@@sabalkr ye. Being better than nwh is what makes the batman better than nwh
I personally didn't like nwh either. When i start telling reasons, some were mad at me. Spiderman homecoming is the only one i liked from mcu spidey trilogy
The ending with batman realizing the negative side that he spread previously a d then brough light to help the people was such an emotional unforgettable experience to see. I rarely cry to movies or scenes. Nut that one really put the mark with everything that was built up until that point. A remarkable character growth and exactly how i wish to see more in films
Thing for me is in the Batman the opening is great the car chase is great his end monologue was great but it the movie should’ve ended with the monologue
Some parts could’ve been cut down
Dragged in the middle for me
And yes riddlers riddles were too easily solved
And the end riddle is just him pulling up the carpet pretty lucky that he happened to be above that carpet
Basically while the Batman has better cinematography sound and look
Spider-Man is much better paced and doesn’t last 3 hours which will have me watching Spider-Man over again much more
@@cactustalks may be better paced but the lighting and set designs reminds me of the first avengers movie. Looks flat like a tv show. NWH to mention how the most important villains were actually Oc and Norman, the others didn't have to be there and you can take put one or them without changing much. In contrast to The Batman every villain added to Batman's arc and the story. Riddler is the trigger for the story, Pegging is the red herring and Falconi is the rat, the head of the corruption. I rather watch a ground breaking, emotionally invested cinematic masterpiece that nails and gives me The Batman I wanted from the live action adaptation. A damaged, observant detective that sacrifices his personal desires/life for gotham(ie looking back at Selina in his bike's mirror, essentially indicating she's the one that got away), someone who strikes fear in criminals but is the hope of the city and is compassionate about children, especially orphans and to the villains he encountered( ie : when he apologizedto Catwoman about what he said after she explained why Falcone owend her the money).I watched NWH 3 times and liked it less(I only like specific moments), I watched The Batman twice (one for the story and the second for Robert) and found the things I found annoying like the run time, wasn't affecting me because it needed every minute to tell this story. I even appreciated the voice-mail scene and this is because of Robert, Zoe's and the actor for Gordan's incredible acting. To catwoman's pacing, to Batman listening and visually what happening because he knew at the end she was being strangled and Gin's horror. Also when Catwoman broke down on tears after hearing her screams. Absolutely incredible.
I still love NWH, but thus analysis of the movie comparing it to Batman was spot on
Even NWH's ending was powerful and it brought out the very base of spidey's character, just dont blind yourself to one film and compare stuff, man
Dude. This has been the kind of film community enthusiasts I have ever wanted to see. Honest to themselves and accepts differences without babbling over which one is better. Great job!
I love No Way Home and the Batman for very different reasons, and that’s okay.
it is okay
Nah it’s not okay
@@harryhayes5625 yeah I thought as much 🤣
I like both and if anything I like No Way Home more
@@hermiona1147 That’s fair. It was an enjoyable movie. The cameos and callbacks have fooled some people into thinking it has no substance.
I think that no way home has a decent script but The Batman is just on another level
NWH seems perfect because the first two films before mainly ffh were dog shit in comparison
@@HirstMovies Homecoming and FFH were solid films in their own right. The problems stem from their take on Spider-Man not being for everyone.
@@pandogstudios1512 homecoming is decent at best far from home is garbage because of its lazy ass writing. Peter just wants to get with a. Girl lmao. Nick fury has to tell him to get involved Peter should of felt the responsibility. Don’t turn around and say it was their plan all along to have a 3 movie origin and Peter only learns responsibility in NWH cuz it’s bs back in civil war Peter knew about responsibility as he said a paraphrasing of that speech to Tony in civil war
@@HirstMovies Homecoming is very solid, one of the best films in the MCU. Far From Home is really bad when it comes to plot, but decent/good when it comes to characters. No Way Home has a bad plot too, but great character work. The Batman has some bad stuff with the plot too, mainly the Riddler's plan during the climax not making any sense and going against what he has been doing up to that point.
@@HirstMovies bro I thought I was the only one who saw it that way toms Spider-Man’s character never grew home coming was decent and with far from home the bar was set so low no way home looked amazing in the trilogy compared to it if it wasn’t for the old Spider-Man returning and classic villains it would be on the same level and far from home he learned the great power already with tony stark during the Cival war arc
The ending of The Batman is seriously one of the most haunting and beautiful things I've ever seen in a comic book film. It's this awe inspiring act of heroism burning brightly through all the hopelessness and misery that covers Gotham in this film.
The Batman is the first comic book film that I've genuinely loved in a really long time. It feels so meticulous, atmospheric and intelligent compared to most stuff coming out these days. While I enjoyed 'No Way Home', it was mostly because of nostalgia, whereas 'The Batman' feels like a different beast altogether. I love the film noir detective thriller aspects of this movie, and how it focuses more on Batman's psyche. I really hope Matt Reeves can expand on that tone with the sequel.
This video is well done put. It's weird that The Batman got me going in twice in the cinema but not No Way Home. Yes, No Way Home had a great colab from all 3 generations, but I think the amount of CGI used in there just doesnt appeal to me anymore. (Perhaps, this is the sign of me getting older).
The Batman truly satisfied me and the whole movie isn't just 24/7 action but we actually get to see his detective side with a real mental burn while hunting down Riddler. In fact the use of the CGI in The Batman was barely more than 2 or 3 scenes said it all.
Loved both movies but The Batman is definitely the better cup of tea for me.
I’m a young person and I agree. It’s not the age
I'm sure they missed out on Setsuna not going twice.
😄
The Batman used a massive amount of green screen too, literally all movies do now days
Very well said!
@@stevestir8628 this is 100% wrong. Take 5 seconds of your life to google some shit before you write stupid comments.
I think you summed up perfectly my growing disinterest in Marvel. They have their movies down to a science to the point where there’s nothing special about them.
The Batman is so great I’ve seen it multiple times in theatres this month and it really just gets me that the movie has such an artistic flair to it. So many little things that went into it that most Marvel movies are missing at this point.
that 1st sentence is an absolute lie
True, in fact, most arguments that can be made against a marvel movie can be made against all of them because of how similar they are, it’s like cloning a movie but making the bright colors the kids like a little bit different
@@sentientmustache8360 every movie ever is similar using this logic
Every MCU movie these days are like making a movie with checklists
- Overpowered female leads, check
- Cheap awkward jokes hamfisted into serious moments, check
- Some LGBT moments and references, check
- Nostalgia bait, check
- Push aside original characters for newer less likeable replacements, check
Dr Strange 2 should have been named Scarlet Witch cause Strange was just pushed aside in his own movie. Even the promotional materials are all just pushing Wanda first and Dr Strange himself as an after thought.
@@MetalGearBronya just say you don't wanna see movies that don't have a buncha straight white men lmfaooo you probably vote republican too
Though I really enjoyed Spider Man No Way Home, I can't see myself watching it again anytime soon. However, I am going to watch The Batman in theaters again. I love the sound design, the suit that isn't CG at all, the amazing Batmobile, the brilliant acting by Paul Dano and Robert Pattinson, and the great cinematography and the dark tone/hue that the film has. I don't really like the bright stuff that the Marvel movies have. The Amazing Spider Man looked the best in my opinion because the movie was set in a tone that I personally enjoy more. In the end, I don't think that the Batman is objectively better than Spider Man No Way Home, but I do know that I enjoyed it much more. And that's surprising.
I'm going to see the batman for the 3rd time, I'll probably never watch nwh again. At least, I don't see the point of going to a cinema to watch it again when its so ugly, why bother with a big screen
@@jamesduffy7549 I watched no way home again 3 times in theater first time it was amazing to see the old characters again after the second watch I found a lot of issues/plot holes in the movie and by the 3rd time I got kinda board
I rewatched it after it’s release and the nostalgia sets in I really just skip until the 30min when the old Spider-Man show up it’s enjoyable for what it is but there’s definitely so much more they could have done the original concept was kravens last hunt but it was scraped and honestly I don’t think the movie would have made all that money
Oh boy this gonna start a war
A suit that’s CG?? Was a Batman suit EVER CG??????
@@pattongilbert the cgi animated series suit was cgi
Finally someone actually said it. People calling Spiderman no way home "The best superhero movie ever made" made me question whether I watched the right movie. I just couldn't get immersed in the story at all with the glaring cgi or people feeling distant (even when they're in the same room).
It's not even the best Spiderman movie ever.
Nothing will ever top Spiderverse its just soo good easily best spiderman movie ever and one of the best superheroes ever made
Even though the Batman has only been out for a couple of months, I consider it to be the greatest superhero movie ever…Even better than the Dark Knight
I think something that could’ve been brought up in this video was how each movie utilized their villains. Both movies have a large rogues gallery, but imo The Batman’s villains feel like they have more of a reason to be there than NWH’s.
The Batman basically has three villains we focus on, Riddler, Penguin, and Falconi. Sure Catwoman and the corrupt government could also be villains, but Catwoman is really only an antagonist for one fight scene and the bad cops are more like a plot device. All three of the “main” villains I listed have a reason to be in the plot. Riddler is the trigger for the story, Penguin is the red herring, and Falconi is the rat, the head of gothams corruption. In addition to orchestrating the whole movie’s plot, Riddler also has a personal connection to Bruce, calling out how he benefited from the corrupt reform program. Falconi also has strong connections to our main characters; he is both Selina’s father and made dirty deals with Bruce’s father. Penguin was Selina’s pimp and we assume after finding Selina’s girlfriend’s body in his car that he killed her. In addition, without Penguin in the movie, the mystery plot about who “The Rat” was would be very easy to figure out, as the only mob member left was Falconi. Every villain in The Batman has a strong emotional connection to one of our main characters and have strong connections to the narrative of the movie. Of the two secondary villains, I don’t think you would be able to take Penguin or Falconi out of the movie without losing something.
In contrast, NWH has a lot of filler villains. Sandman and The Lizard really had no reason to be in the movie. They don’t really add anything to Tom’s arc, and they never got to speak with Tobey or Andrew either, so the connection they had from previous movies didn’t play either. Electro is also used like that; while he was really entertaining to watch onscreen, he could’ve been taken out of the movie without changing much of anything. Really, the most important villains in the movie, we’re Doc Ock and Green Goblin. Ock and Goblin each tied into Tom’s arc of trying to reform the villains. Tom succeeds with Ock at first, while Norman goes crazy before Tom can help him, killing Aunt May in the process. Ock represents Peter’s successes and humanity, while Norman represents Peter’s failure and rage. You need both of them in the movie. Norman is also essential because his connection with Tobey is used for the best moment of NWH, when Tobey *stops* Tom from killing him, really powerful after you’ve seen everything Tobey went through in his movies in the fallout of him killing Norman. I think what NWH needed was either to cut out most of the unnecessary villains and plotlines, or maybe have the movie be an eight-hour TV show, so we could’ve had a strong focus on *all* of the villains.
We could’ve seen Sandman argue that he *wants* to go home to see his daughter. We could’ve seen Electro work more with Ock, Tom, And Norman; I’m sure the older Ock and Norman would have some advice for the younger Electro and Tom, about how technology can corrupt you. Maybe Andrew could’ve expressed internet in saving Lizard as he is the only living friend of his parents; I’m sure a proper conversation between Andrew and the Lizard about his parents would do wonders after Lizard inadvertently causes the death of Aunt May, *this* reality’s Peter’s “parent”. There was a lot of potential but ultimately the film didn’t have enough time to deliver on its incredibly ambitious premise.
This is why I don’t mind The Batman being 15 hours long, it *needed* every second of that time to tell the grand story it wanted to.
Overall, I enjoyed NWH, I loved all the moments when my childhood heroes and villains returned for one last hurrah, but I’m afraid of watching it again because I’ll probably notice cracks I don’t see the first time.
Peace!
Now that I think about it, why the hell were all the villains targeting the spidermen in NWH? It felt so random with no real motive, unlike the batman
Perfectly put
I wouldn’t mind if NWH was half an hour longer but the villains were much more fleshed out and the final fight was more impactful
Also andrew didnt even mention about his uncle ben's death
@@Iqoensh5678 yep, only Gwen. That's dumb because Tobey mentioned Ben, Tom talks about Aunt, and Andrew is just out of it talks about Gwen.
@@sussybaka4276 Norman was just crazy
Electro wanted to stay in the universe, keep his new powers, and prevent peter from sending him home
Sandman actually wanted to go home to see his daughter
Doc ock regained control of his arms
And lizard uhh.. he uhh.. uh.. that's basically it
When I came out of the cinema of The Batman I was genuinely amazed and happy. My dad kept going on about how great the audio was, while I kept talking abt how great it looked. The Batman is a cinematic masterpiece and I hope it changes how future blockbusters are made.
The things I like about the batman is that Gotham feels alive, it feels Gothic but not too gothic like Tim Burton more like a mixture of noir and a digitalize gothic. While for NWH New York just feel meh or empty doesn't have much personality to it. While Tobey's New York feels like a theater set where it's full of personality and the landscapes is just iconic and magical. I would even say the same to the Amazing series as New York feels busy, and bustling modern New York. While the MCU New York is just eh. The problem with it is that we don't get to see a lot of New York in the MCU unlike The Batman where we get a lot of Gotham
Yep like batman going around city with bike was such a beauty
Yeah idk why the city feels like so mess up
You literally took the words out of my mouth about the NY feel in Raimi Spider-Man. I think it's also because of the 2000s aesthetic that really gives a lot of vibes , something that is lacking on TASM and MCU Spidey.
yeah, I agree. They should've shown it more when JJ When calling Spider- man a killer after the death of his aunt. Seeing their reactions to his statement like in Spider-man into the spider verse when Peter died.
@@nocturnal7345 The Amazing Spider-Man shows New York pretty much alive and Immersive same as Raimi ones
The Batman gave me vibes similar to Bladerunner 2049, so moody, visually and audially tantalizing with a story that provokes you to think about what it is to just be human rather than pure comic spectacle
It gave a little bit of the crow vibes
I agree but Batman’s story can’t lace 2049’s boots. And I love The Batman.
So… the Batman is a ridiculously good movie all on its own. In fact it’s a 10/10 masterpiece in my opinion.
But in No Way Home’s defence… I still think it does a better job with the story than people give it credit for, whilst it is packed with nostalgia for nostalgia’s sake I’d say a lot of it works on a deeper thematic level for Tom’s peters story. Dafoes Goblin tests toms ability to live up to his heroistic morals just as he did with tobey. Talking of Tobey… whilst he doesn’t get an end to any kind of arc like Andrew did (and needed) he doesn’t need it, he had a 3 movie arc testing his responsibility, his ability to be spider man and keep his morals, which is a lesson he passes down to Tom perfectly by stopping him from giving into revenge. It ties into the Raimi trilogy themes extraordinarily well. And as said earlier it closes andrews arc, revealing how he became after losing Gwen, giving him some hope that maybe he could work something out and giving him a redemption scene where he prevents Tom from suffering the same loss.
Then the ending of toms sacrifice (albeit a little contrived) and his decision not to tell them for their own good ties in perfectly with one of the most Spider-Many pieces of dialogue ever written… “ sometimes we have to be steady and give up the thing we want most, even our dreams “
Also got to say I agree completely with any comments about cinematography, bad cg and missed opportunities in no way home. And especially the point about Score. The theme that plays during aunt mays death sequence and peters final sacrifice is a stunning piece that matches the Batman’s score… but as a whole the Batman really outshines it. Whilst having small light Motifs for the characters like, Ock, Goblin, Electro and tobey is nice, if you’re gonna go lazy with the score then just go all the way and use the themes properly in their entirety so we can get the glory of all 3 spidermen swinging to the og Spider-Man theme.
No, defenitly the batman has a 100% better story than NWH, NWH is basically full fan service that sometimes doesn’t have logic in anything according to multiverse/timelapse logic in the MCU, the batman doesn’t have those big holes in trama, also in NWH if that movie didnt have that nostalgia factor + tobey and andrew probably that movie would be a failure like the 2 movies before. NWH is really good but casual people just overrate it
I completely agree. While The Batman is a fullstop masterpiece of cinema (probably my favorite super hero film ever), No Way Home is also excelent, with great and meaningful character moments.
why did the sandman leave when he wanted to see his daughter again
@@Joseabh24 oh yeah the Batman definitley has a better story. I just don’t think that means that Spider-Man’s is bad by proxy, the Batman is a perfect Batman story and NWH is a really very good Spider-Man story. Whilst the writing does occasionally make a few leaps in logic that doesn’t make it bad because character wise and theme wise it’s absolutely on point for what it should be. And I mean… if you remove all the nostalgia you remove the base plot as the plot revolves entirely around the villains and the conflict they bring into the picture.
Also I just gotta say, homecoming’s really good… I’ll let you have far from home tho.
Take a person who hasn't watched the old spiderman films to watch No way home. He won't find it good. The only reason No way home works is nostalgia.
Take a person who doesn't know anything about batman and he will still enjoy the movie as a thriller . That's called a good movie.
Comparing a movie set in a long running universe, to a first of the franchise, is genius.
We should compare Endgame to Shazam next. Endgame makes no sense if you haven't seen an mcu film, so technically, Shazam is a better movie.
@@kingmonde technically you don't need to watch any other Spiderman movie before No way home
@@Agent-57 yes you do, even if you're on looking at Tom Holland's character, he's been in like 5 or 6 movies as that character.
Thats like saying you don't have to watch any Lord of the Rings movie to understand Return of the King.
@@kingmonde you can just watch the Tom Holland movies IW and Endgame. No need for the rami trilogy or the Amazing Spiderman 1 and 2.
@@Agent-57 so you're agreeing with me that you can't just watch "No Way Home" on its own, like you can "The Batman", great, thats all I wanted.
I saw this movie on HBO Max. I regret I hadn't seen it in a movie theater, but it was a great experience, on my big TV anyway. Great movie.
Maybe when the sequel comes out you'll have a chance to see the first movie in cinema as that's something some cinemas do for a couple of days. I'd definitely recommend it as some of the visuals and sound design were amazing in the cinema especially the car chase.
I like both but The Batman I feel was actual cinema. When the first 5 minutes of the movie passed, I knew The Batman was going to be a masterpiece!
Exactly… imo MCU Spider-Man should have a Color grading like from tasm but their writing is good but definitely could use some improvement
NWH, felt like a checklist. Even the "memes" felt corporate. For me, it should have been 2 different movies. One dealing with Peter identity revealed, and other for the 3 Spidermen together.
Yeah it’s a lot crammed into one. The three spider-men is when the real movie starts
"Felt corporate" is the perfect description.
@@Dousch that literally tells me nothing
Felt the same with the Batman to me, just in the other direction: very checklist, but checking off what a lot of fans wanted (dark and gritty, realism, style, tone). I loved it, but it was a bit...relentless and at times cliché. A different kind of fan-service.
I wouldn't have minded a bit of levity, I guess that's what happens with a more 'accurate' Batman but no Robin to lighten the mood. Maybe one day...
Literally everything is corporate. Do you think the 5th batman reboot was a passion project?
Neither of them should be compared. One's the concluding film of a multi-part story that also ties up loose ends to decades worth of preceding Spider-Man films, and the other is depicting its titular character in his formative years learning not just how to become a better vigilante, but also the general value of pursuing justice over vengeance. Both conclude on the same point about learning the nature of true heroism, but they use different plot devices to get to that point and obviously evoke very distinct tones.
Not to mention No Way Home is a very fast-paced and kinetic adventure film and The Batman's very much going for that slow burn, detective mystery vibe like an extended 90's Batman graphic novel or BTAS.
despite what people say, you can absolutely compare apples to oranges
You are just mad cause the Batman is 100 times better than no way home
I agree they shouldn't be compared. Even if people think one movie is bad it doesn't make the other better. I found this video to be very juvenile.
Maybe first watch the video before you comment...
You look like a clown. He's talking about the production in general, not the story or genre. And it is true, Disney has never really been able to produce a solid live-action movie that feels real, like real cinema. Most of their movies just feel flat and uninspired. And when WB or Sony tried to copy this method, they were instantly shot down because these movies felt flat and uninspired.
@@snicko22 dont say that rico spaghetti.
I literally just got back from seeing The Batman again and I love it even more than I did last time, Matt Reeves made one helluva film. I knew he was going to do great the second I saw the trailer at DC Fandome, I was instantly hooked. I cannot wait to see this franchise bloom
For me I like the first one
Seriously, the cinematography, colors and sound design in The Batman was beautiful. You really felt every gunshot, every sound in the movie whether it was the batmobile gearing up had an impact and gosh was it so beautiful to look at. Every shot was a work of art
3 months from now:
"Why Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness is a better movie than Spider-Man: No Way Home"
itwill be
A year from now:
Why Thor love and thunder is a better movie than doctor Strange 2
I always wanted to see an mcu movie without too many jokes. Looks like I'm going to.
@@space_monkey5662 “when you break the rules you’re seen as a hero but when I do it I’m the villain. ThAt DoEsN’t SeEm FaIr!”
@@internettraveler8666 Maybe they r going to keep wanda as villian in this movie.
As much as I love the MCU I'm getting tired of all the dull looking CGI. No Way Home, Eternals, Shang Chi, Black Widow all use the same CGI recipe. Yes, this helps with universe cohesion but boy is it dull. The Batman was a breath of fresh air the cinematography was fantastic, shot in camera, with the perfect blend of CGI.
This! We have an Oscar winning director in Eternals, and I was excited to see the different style, but it had the sameness to other Marvel movies. I'd rather watch Spiderverse a million times over because the animation was so fresh and new with a ton of heart.
Yes, this is what I have been going through recently. I’m a MCU fan and it’s getting to where I forget the movie right after I have seen it. The Batman was like a breath of fresh air to me. I didn’t view this movie as a traditional superhero movie.
If you're looking for Good cinematography, go watch the recent MCU shows like Moon Knight, Loki, Hawkeye, and WandaVision.
Exactly !
@@vanblitz7009 lol definitely dont waste your time with these shows
Im not a big Batman fan and this convince me to watch it. Andy Serkis as Alfred, Batman being an actual hero, Colin Farrells's make up and great action sequences, just wowed me
I just saw the Batman for second time today after seeing it opening night. The second time I watched No Way Home I liked it less. However, after seeing the Batman again I love it even more.
This is exactly what I thought! NWH was boring to rewatch but I’ve seen batman 3 times and I’d be willing to go again
Every time I rewatch The Batman
It Wows me
Different audiences for different films, they’re not really comparable given they each have distinct purposes that are completely antithetical to each other. I do prefer the Batman, but NWH achieved what it set out to do.
Totally agree with you view, I think comparing these two films are like comparing Pizza and Ramen
Yeah I normally enjoy this channel but his take on NWH is ass for the most part.
I don’t know why people are constantly looking for ‘high art’ in superhero films. Nolan achieved it by basically not making a superhero film. NWH was hugely enjoyable. I don’t like the over-reliance on CGI but they were trying to hide a lot… the new Batman is a slog! I don’t think it tells us anymore about Batman that we haven’t learnt from the other 7 iterations in the last 10yrs!! Why not have some fun? Or go into the weird villains the character has?? NWH achieves that
Still
The batman is still far superior to mcu movies
Still
The batman is still far superior to mcu movies
The batman is good movie with good acting and writing about a superhero
But mcu movies are just for entertaining
The part of the chase when the penguin unloads his Mac 10 into Batman’s window and Batman just stares him down without flinching as the rounds slowly start breaking through ballistic glass is absolutely terrifying and cool at the same time
The overhead shot of Batman walking the citizens through the water looked amazing and was a favorite shot. With how the light and shadows contrasted thanks to his flare it made the people walking behind him look like an extension of his cape.
In my opinion The Batman is a phenomenal movie that stands strong on its own. Nearly every Scene in The Batman you can tell Passion and heart was put into it. Not only that but truly defining Batman as The World’s Greatest Detective and directing him as more than just Vengeance, but the light of Gotham leading them from the darkness.
With NWH you get the usual MCU style with occasionally cinematic moments. However The Batman tried something new, and put emphasis towards everything from defining Gotham as a corrupt place that can make even the Purest individual make a life-altering mistake, to giving each character qualities that set them apart from each other, and the actions of Batman speaking louder than his words ever could. It shouldn’t be any surprise that The Batman is better. I love NWH, but subjectively The Batman just gets a lot more right with its direction.
I’m with you on this one I do enjoy the Marvel movies they’re fun and for the most part quite entertaining but I loved The Batman so much and I think a lot of it had to do with a writing and directing effort from Matt Reeves where the focus was not making a bunch of money but making something that he was clearly quite passionate about. No Way Home is very fun but for me personally The Batman has way more re watchability. But hey that’s just one persons opinion.
I agree, for me I see No Way Home as a time-pass movie, something you put on in the background. The Batman on the other hand is a movie you sit down and watch time and again without feeling bored or tired of watching. I tend to find that to be the case with Marvel movies in general, they just pass time and something you put on in the background every now and then.
I also agree.
NWH is fun, But The Batman is a better movie experience.
Penguin: "I got him!"
The Batman: "you got cocky"
Spiderman nwh was just a nostalgia trip, and was honestly my least favorite movie in the homecoming trilogy. The Batman was an extremely well made and impressive film, my theater actually gave it a standing applause. Now I am definetly a marvel fan, but The Batman was the best film I have seen since Avengers Endgame.
You clearly aren’t a marvel fan if you put ffh above it
@@JosephGaming 🤓🤓
@@JosephGaming 🤓🤓
@@daizenmarcurio It was exaggeration, the point is that FFH isn't that good, the nerd emoji also isn't an argument
I think both these movies are pretty fantastic honestly (especially when you consider No Way Home is sort of a light in the darkness for Marvel lately since their recent projects were pretty stale in comparison). The Batman here really does a good job showing the detective side of things, and No Way Home gave us a fun but deep story on Peter pretty much becoming a man. These two films are two totally different styles of movies and writing and I don't think it's fair to compare or judge them over one another. To me, doing that just sounds more like someone biased saying Marvel sucks and DC is better when they're ignoring both companies successes and failures.
Just as an example, this is like comparing Danny Phantom to Spongebob. Both are tonally and visually different things with different themes and scripts (Danny's more mature while Spongebob's more geared to kids). Neither is better than the other.
I agree with you, man.
It doesnt take away from like half the points made here and ones that no one seems to be able to answer- why is it so ugly
@@jamesduffy7549 I honestly think No Way Home looks fine
@@IcyDiamond how on earth do you think that though? It's colour palette is an old white t shirt going grey. The camera movement is as inspired as a wet fart. Doc Ock looks so much worse than literally 20 years ago. MCU films are so jawdroppingly ugly
@@jamesduffy7549 I thought some of the fight scenes were pretty cool and exciting
The Batman is a masterpice. You can't compare it to Spider Man
Yes yes you can
@@OddfosshaugbagiNot even close
I remember watching No Way Home for the first time in theaters. I fucking loved every second of it, truly it was probably my favorite movie. BUT GOD DAMN, AFTER WATCHING THE BATMAN I THINK IT TOOK MY #1 SPOT.
What I appreciate about that shot in 5:29 is how it emphasized the Caped Crusader characteristic of Batman. I think most people forget that part because they got used to the crime fighting, vigilante characteristics of Batman. Overall, the movie is great because the characters drives the plot, it's not the other way around. I love the Nolan films, grew up with them but personally, I think The Batman is the best Live Action adaptation of the character so far.
The Batman did what No way home couldn't, and that's be a good film.
No Way Home is an excellent crowd pleasing blockbuster, with a presentation that just couldn't match its story's ambitions.
The Batman is an excellent movie and beats No Way Home in every way. Writing is more consistent, and the presentation is jaw-dropping in its style
If that’s your thoughts then there’s your reason why you’re not a film maker, far from home finally captured the Spider-Man character (after 3 movies 🤦♂️) and they finally got him where he needed to be. It taught him consequences for his actions, loss, and hope for the better. The film achieved almost everything it needed and wanted to do, calling that just a “crowd pleasing blockbuster” when it did its job is absurd. Both movies did their job and achieved what they needed to, the only difference is ones DC(which are Darker comics) and the other is Marvel (more happy and the classic superhero story). To say one is better than the other is pure opinion based, The Batman has its faults and everyone is ignoring them rn because it’s new and hot whereas NWH is currently being dethroned from the top as it’s not as new so now people are pointing out it’s faults more. Give The Batman 3-4 months and you’ll see what I was talking about. The Batman taught us almost nothing new about the character, it more so just brought in a new perspective for a movie Batman. To say the writing is consistent? Go watch it one more time but this time analyze the film as a true critic and not a Batman fan, the movie is only good for Batman fans as everyone else complains “Oh he didn’t really win” or “it’s too slow” which I could agree on as a lot of scenes just had unnecessary slowness to them to “add tension” but fails to do so after you realize Batman moves slower than a snail unless he’s fighting. That being said I love both films, I think they’re wonderful adaptations of the characters and they could both use some touch ups here and there but nothings perfect so I don’t mind the little things too much.
@@thatoneguy3253 I like both movies, and think they’re great in many ways. But Batman is better. The writing has its inconsistencies here and there, but nowhere near the degree of No Way Home. I love the emotional payoffs in it as much as everyone else, but the means through which they reach them are often illogical and contrived.
@@thatoneguy3253 Marvel stan
@@thesithcynic3398 dc stan
@@thatoneguy3253 FFH wasn’t that good.
Wasn't expecting you to be so ruthless with No Way Home and removing the nostalgia glasses but The Batman is the best thing to do this with, brilliant video Full Fat!
It's pretty obvious he doesn't like the movie that much lol
@@deonnelson9780 to be fair he was never going to he hated it before it even came out
The Batman was so rich, and I also feel that it spoke perfectly to our sense of despair and helplessness in our current reality--environmental decline, massive wealth inequality, and the rise of vigilante extremists taking advantage of technology to stoke outrage through grooming and misinformation. This movie was disarming because it was grounded in our reality and the anxieties of our time. I also like how the Selena Kyle character was positioned here, confronting Bruce in his detached, seemingly depressed apathy, reminding him of the very real issues at stake. This is exactly what a superhero story should be about! Even Batman began to despair, in the end showing true heroism in continuing the fight against all odds. I left the theater surprisingly touched, very convinced that we really do need a Batman.
Batman is also rich because he's bruce Wayne
@@leonrussell9607 Lol that also!
if these movies hadn’t come out around the same time there would be no other reason to compare the two.
i explain why its pertinent to compare the two at the end. context is key
@Full Fat Videos Ok yeah but you could make this same video with any marvel movie, and a good amount of DC ones too, because you're just using the same arguments that everyone uses for every marvel movie? They make a lot of money, they don't have a captivating color pallet, they make things harder for mid budget movies, yada yada. This video could have been "What The Batman Does That Marvel Doesn't" but everybody made that video 3 years ago when Joker came out. It's an artists vision made to tell a story instead of franchise building. We all get that by now and we know why marvel doesn't do that. It's because Spider-Man made a billion dollars, it continues to work, and that shouldn't be seen as a negative or a failure when a proper super hero "film" comes out a few months later. Everybody liked No Way Home.
Comparing these two movies and their "use of reference" to movies and film tradition outside their own franchise as if they're trying to accomplish the same thing narratively seems like bad film criticism to me. Not to mention that John Hughes has been a huge visual influence on the Home series since day one, it's never been that this spider-man has only referenced marvel.
You also probably shouldn't use fucking SPIDER-MAN as your example when you're going to complain about quipping during action. That's a bed rock quality of that character. It would work if your video were about The Batman vs Marvel house style in general, but not about The Batman vs No Way Home. No Way Home used the Marvel style probably the best out of all their movies, it feels like an incredibly poor target for this critique.
Lastly, and I really don't mean to be rude, what is happening with that thumbnail? Usually you guys are on point with that but that one is not very good. This video feels kind of rushed and not thought out very well.
Ikr if one of these movies were released a year apart this whole stupid argument wouldn't happen
@@wongar1886 DAMN.
You lowkey owned him here, said exactly what we were thinking
@@FullFatVideos Damn, you suck at this lol.
This does a really good job expressing the things i've noticed and felt about NWH but couldn't put into words. I came out of that movie thinking that it wasn't as good as it could have/should have been, and definitely feeling like a lot of people were overrating it. So glad i found this take on it.
And yeah, the Batman was amazing. The narrative felt really good as it comes to a close. And the movie definitely had me on the edge of my seat on a few occasions.
Yeah after having rewatched No Way Home yesterday I noticed a lot of stuff that didn't stand out to me in the cinema. A minor thing that still stood out a lot was the lack of battle damage Garfield and Maguire had at the end. Their suits were pretty much completely clean and that was so odd to me.
Batman taking a bomb to the face without a scratch you call that much better?
Get off the drugs my guy
Drugs for Batman fams
Plus electro never knew that Peter was spidey, so ?
Spiderman just nostalgia
The Batman just a movie a real movie
@@Christian_Ada1 when you take into account that the bat suit was built for this kind of thing, I think it makes a decent amount of sense
@@Christian_Ada1 he said the suit looked clean dumas 🗿
I feel like a crybaby when I watch such a well made movie. There where about five times I burst out in tears during batman 12 in the cinema. Half because of the emotion portrayed and half because of the artistic quality.
My favorite part of The Batman is how it might just be the reset the superhero genera of movies need. It's fitting that grunge music, but especially Nirvana was such an inspiration to this movie. Just as how the entire Nevermind album changed music forever, and really said "Go genuine or go home", this movie is that for superheroes. I especially like how the stakes never went past the limits of Gotham, that even though Riddler could do more damage beyond the city limits, he chose to stay inside the city and send a message to everyone else. It's kinda like how although Nevermind was bigger and rocking throughout, the fact that it ended on the subdued "Something in the Way", it chose to stay grounded as well, and not being this bombastic affair (I don't view Endless, Nameless as an official track, but rather a secret bonus added later, as it doesn't jive with the album's ending)
It won't reset anything. Its a great movie, but there is no reason for Marvel to change their formula.
I am not going to lie technically Batman is superior, but I don't think that makes NWH an inferior movie. I think NWH really succeeded at telling a good story with sprinkles of nostalgia. Does the Batman have more of a distinctive feel yes, does NWH wake up the little kid in me and put Pete through hell yes. I appreciate both for what they are.
Amen.
I'm not even on the train that Batman is "technically" better. NWH has some amazing camerawork and staging throughout. Even the early apartment scene is a showcase of blocking.
Well said!
@@pleaserewind295 Nah, The Batman has possibly the best cinematography in a comic book movie. NWH relies too much on green screen and CGI and it´s pretty noticeable. Of course, I still think NWH is a 8.5/10 movie, but I wouldn´t compare it to something like The Batman
@@errwhattheflip Bro exactly. The score, the cinematography, the best I've ever seen and heard in a superhero film.
Love how when Batman walks to penguins car we see the car door around the screen which puts you in the penguins eyes and feel upside down with him where most most would just either flip the camera in post or just set it down upside down and it shows every part of that no like three cuts and a diffrent one showing us him look down we get all of that in his perspective
Yeah I can't believe the praise Spiderman NWH is receiving. As cool as it was to see Andrew and especially Toby back and some great character moments between them all, having it release so close to Dune and The Batman (so they have the same cinematographer, wow, makes sense tho, the guy's an obvious master at it) really just left it in the dust visually and in many other ways. It really shows how lazy and uninspired the MCU is now, and how it may be time for it's predominance in cinema to end in favor of more inspired films in the future.
This is like comparing a McDonald’s burger to one made by an actual chef at a restaurant. One clearly feels less artificial and has more flavor to it.
i will say it. The batman made me think more than spider man no way home.
In spider man no way home i felt pure joy.
In the batman i felt conflicted. The length of the film was against me, so i was a bit tired. But this film made me think deeper, and dive deeper into bruce's mind.
Is that good or bad? It seems like thats the goal of each movie
The batman was not deep at all tho. Very surface level film that didn't make viewers think at all. It was basically just one big car chase with a few terrible riddles throughout the movie. The riddler was the only attempt at any depth in the film but he was terrible and no one cared about him lol
@@agecali7893 looks like your feelings hurt people acknowledge that Batman is a better quality movie 🤣
@@stephenwalker972 ????? huh???
@@agecali7893 lmao that’s hilarious because if anything no way home was not deep at all and was more intended for younger audience. In the Batman, batman used to be a symbol of fear but then he became a symbol of hope
Now that you've pointed it out, I wish we got more scenes with civilians in No Way Home. After the bridge fight with Doc Ock everyone seems to disappear and it does make New York feel empty and overly clean. Like where did Goblin go after he first fought Holland? It would've been cool to see the villains actually put more lives at risk.
I can’t believe Dock and Green Goblin were not the final villains… Sandman and the lizard… why??
Doc was treated poorly in this movie. They made fun of his powers, made fun of his name, locked him up for over 20 minutes, and they threw him out the window……. JUST WHY?!!
Honestly, the flack NWH gets about focusing too much on callbacks to the previous movies is strange to me, cuz I'm just thinking "well, what did you expect?" Not hating, just stating a thought I've had
That’s why this comparison is stupid, of course No Way Home was gonna be this film that was trying to tug at your nostalgia, it was advertised as that, The Batman is meant to reboot Batman instead of reminding you of his other iterations, they’re both doing totally different things
Well for me it was because the first two mcu Spiderman films weren't that
I have no idea why we're comparing these two movies but I won't (and literally can't lol) stop you from having your opinions
I did love the cinematography of The Batman, the first 20 minutes or so set such a great tone for the rest of the movie. I loved that it wasn't 'all those wonderful toys' Batman but was the detective type Batman, noticing clues and lurking in the background and watching. The repeated use of the heavy footsteps when the Batman was coming, from the subway scene through the Penguin car crash. The cape is mostly unused except for being a negative in the ending fight scenes, but looks great as part of the costume. No over explanation of key plot points (like the Wayne parents) makes you pay more attention to the scenes that reinforce his past. Just such a well done film.
I was talking to a friend about The Batman and I told him how I actually preferred it over No Way Home. Honestly I even prefer Far From Home over No Way Home. Maybe it was the amount of hype around it and everyone naming it the greatest Marvel film ever so my expectations were too sky high.
The Batman is overrated
@@tarhealer4021 Your opinion. Mine is the No Way Home is overrated.
@@tarhealer4021 how is Batman overated because it didn't had any cgi crap or stupid jokes am I right??
I enjoyed both, but they’re both kind of overrated. No Way Home was kind of doomed to this because it played on a lot of nostalgia while the plot was sort of weak and mostly to bring all the Spider-Men together, but it was a very enjoyable movie. The Batman has a great ambience and portrayal of Gotham, but the final conflict is kind of weak and it has all these moments that completely drop the tension at some points.
@@satishpatil1198 I didn't hate the movie I just think it's getting over hyped you fan boys are some of the biggest cry babies whenever someone disagrees with you it's hilarious and I enjoyed No Way Home as much as I did The Batman
For me, its just not fun to pit these two movies against each other. Like idk, whats even the point? It just doesnt vibe with me, i had a great time with both movies and they are very different to begin with so why compare them?
literally the opening monologue is about that
I think at the end of the day, both movies set out to do different things from the get go. Spider-Man No Way Home represents comic books as feel-good crowd pleaser. Its story is simple, with a few holes in it, but you barely care because of how hype it is. It's a rollercoaster and you're on adrenaline all the way. The Batman, on the other hand, represents comic books as a narrative medium. It's a slow burn methodical crime drama.
Coincidentally, both movies perfectly represent some of both characters' more recognizable comic runs from recent years. The Spider-Verse comic run which inspired No Way Home had a fairly simple plot that doesn't make much sense when you think about it. But you barely care because of its hype moments and the celebration of so many Spider-People coming together. It's a crowd pleaser through and through. Meanwhile, a lot of great Batman comics rely on clever writing and suspenseful mystery, leading the readers to try and figure out the plot's secret alongside Batman.
It's honestly like comparing Berserk to Demon Slayer. Yeah, both series focuses on the protagonist fighting supernatural demons and entities on their quest, but both can't be any more different than the other. Berserk is a complex character-exploration that would have readers pondering the moral message of the story for years to come. Demon Slayer is a feel-good action, good vs evil narrative that is really more about the hype of the moment than anything else. Mostly because it's not trying to do anything outside of that.
Lol bro gotta hate on MCU spidey every chance he get.
I find the MCU Spider-Man to be very similar to the animated Spider-Man tv show I grew up watching as a kid. I think NWH is pretty close to the source material they draw inspiration from and it is definitely entertaining. Though I guess everyone has different opinions, like how I thought Aquaman was good but lots of people hated it
Your Berserk and Demon Slayer comparison is great bro, both are great in their unique ways.
@@isaaclo4820 well one day you gotta realize what actually is a good film vs something you enjoy watching. Some people like some really bad movies that have terrible writing, terrible character development, but they like it for some weird reason. Aqua man, I watched it but I personally didn’t really care for it because I don’t really care for his character. However I believe you’re wrong because I heard wayyyyy more people love the film than hate on it and last I checked it had a pretty high rating
+Isaac | Tom’s Peter and TAS Peter are so ridiculously different that there is literally no point for comparison. Unless you mean spectacular spider man, which they were similar but still different
Why bother to compare the two movies? They are completely different besides the fact they are about popular superheroes. The Batman did something that No Way Home didn't, and probably didn't set out to do. That could be said about any movie that is compared to another.
I think your assesment is spot on. The trailer sold me unlike No Way Home. It was so different from other superhero trailers. I've seen BATMAN twice already.
MCU fans mad. NWH is like a 6/10 at best and it was still one of the best the MCU has shit out.
Mcu fans just like to overrate the garbage disney puts out.
NWH is far from the best marvel has put out lol
@@aggro9978 Quit it kid, DC fans do the same
bro y u gotta do this to my homies man cant we suppress the truth for a little more :/
XD
@@rushabhdonga not the truth at all but whatever you say kid
I've always seen batman as a "light in the darkness" character which is why i love him.
The Batman is a masterpiece. I’ve seen it 9 times in theaters and I still got new things from it each time I saw it. Looking forward to seeing it on hbo max next week!
One of the things I really liked, and it's just a small character detail, was the change in how regular Gotham citizens reacted to Batman from the beginning to the end of the film. At the start of the movie the man who is saved from the Joker gang reacts in fear to Batman, while, at the end of the movie, the woman he carries to paramedics clutches at him as if she doesn't trust anyone else to keep her safe. I thought that progression was a nice payoff.
And can we all begin to agree that Michael Giacchino is this generation's version of John Williams? That musical score is so much better than anything you'd hear in a Marvel movie. 💯
Well, NWH had the incredible scene when Tom was about to kill GG and Tobey stepped in, and neither of them said anything, they just communicated through their eyes, so it's not always true that the heroes never shut up. But ultimately, each film is for a different audience, there's probably a lot of kids and casuals that saw NWH who can't always pick up on subtleties, whereas The Batman is more of a cinemagoer's film, and can put a bit more trust in the viewer's critical analysis abilities.
A good moment in a very stale film not saying the movie was bad but kinda... like ant man 2 fun movie but somtimes i forget they even made it
@@blakan1478 It wasn't slate
@@blakan1478 probably was stale for you.
That was one of the rare times it happened and I think its one of the best moments in the movie. It would be cool if they said more with less. At the same time, I don't want Spidey to be mute! But that is a really good example of it imo
but the scene where tobey stopped tom is stupid. why would he turn his back against an obviously evil green goblin? and not to mention the pointless stab scene. the stab was just for audience suspense, no consequences whatsoever. didn't add to the plot or story. just for that shock fan service.
Feels weird to compare them, both very different movies
NWH fans are really pissed of now lmao "you can't compare these two"
He doesn't compare the movies as a whole, he compares the artistic vision behind these movies and the things that make a good movie.
@KiratheRenegade it’s his channel, he can do whatever he wants
He also explains why he's comparing them during the beginning of video. Both films made him nostalgic for previous films in the franchise.
Meanwhile the batman fans cannot let people having opinions
@Awe Sean I'm ½
Also none of them can answer the points about how ugly it is and why it can't at least have the creative inspiration of an average student film
My biggest problem with Marvel nowadays is that it has too much humor when it is not needed. They seem to be more interested in making an action movie with a lot of comedy than telling a compelling and character-driven story. It's almost like they are afraid to go the dark and grim route for fear it will not do well. While understandable, there are just some comic books that they can only be told in a serious tone and the modern day Batman is definitely on that list.
I'm not against humor in a comic book, quite the opposite. I expect there to be humor in some comic book movies, especially Spider-Man as his sarcasm is one of his greatest qualities, but not in every single movie. What's more is that it seems the humor is almost forced rather than let it flow at the right time.
For me personally, I want to see a comic movie where the hero is a flawed character with internal conflict and over the course of the movie goes through an arc of character development. That is what The Batman was chiefly about. Batman starts out at the beginning of the movie as an angry, vengeful man who has let his trauma define him and comes to realize that his anger has caused Gotham more harm than good and must learn to change for the better. Spider-Man (Holland) went through an arc in No Way Home too, but I just found myself more interested in The Batman than Spider-Man No Way Home.
This isn't even a comparison? All you've done is praise elements of The Batman, while criticising elements of No Way Home.
You could at least use comparable examples from the two films, instead of intentionally putting No Way Home's worst shots against The Batman's best.
It’s almost like he didn’t do that because the movies have nothing in common
@@IcyDiamond this is true
Its almost like he didn’t actually want to conpare them and just brought in another popular superhero film to make The Batman look better in comparison
I feel like he is moreso comparing the mcu’s style of filmmaking vs matt reaves’ and talking abt how he like matt reaves’ more because it is a more traditional style film but i dont think it is necessarily nwh’s fault but moreso the mcu’s it’s harder to have movies in the mcu each have their own style behind the camera without losing the sense of a connected universe he compares these 2 movies also cause batman and spider-man are the kingpins of their respective companies
@Confessions Of A Movie Freak i dont see what makes a movie good if less people like it. How are mcu fans butthurt if their movie of choice is clearly the majority vote for the best movie of all time. Even if you think batman is so much better (i like it a lot), if most people like nwh more, (skewed opinions or not), why does it matter what you like better, calling mcu fans butthurt because they are the minority in one youtube comment section
Something I love about recent DC films, is that while Marvel is making a huge, cohesive universe, DC has finally understood that they need to step away and let filmmakers make their movies and to hell with a cohesive cinematic world. We’ve seen this with films like Todd Phillips’ Joker, James Gunn’s The Suicide Squad, not to mention the more stylised and comedic films like Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of one Harley Quinn), Shazam! and Aquaman. No matter what you think of these films, they are clearly the product of one filmmaker, one vision, and don’t have the same air of studio interference as films like the Theatrical Cuts of Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice and Justice League.
Marvel films don’t really have that same individuality. Is that a bad thing. Not really. I think most of the MCU has been pretty good. Sometimes the lack of individuality in tone or style works because it’s easier to believe all these films are the same world, whereas I find it hard to believe that The Suicide Squad was the same world as Suicide Squad (2016), let alone films like Man of Steel. Marvel have been really good at crafting a flowing cinematic universe that makes sense when you view things in the wider picture. The problem with the DCEU was that they jumped the gun, making the fourth film in the same amount of years the Justice League movie. There was just no patience, no real development of these characters, and far too much meddling from the studio who wanted something to break billions of dollars when the reason that characters like Batman appeal to filmmakers, at least in my opinion, is that you can go weird. Batman can be odd and stylised. It can be a dark crime drama one film and the next one can be an insane fantasy.
There was this tweet I saw on a screenshot of a shot in NWH when peter is standing in front of a jumbotron showing JK Simmons while it rains. The tweet was gushing about this shot about how beautiful it is.
Dude The Batman was like this from the first to the last shot
Sums it up
Watching The Batman really makes me appreciate good visuals and cinematography, something No Way Home absolutely failed to do.
Two things that always bothered me about No Way Homes. First, the way the entire conflict is set up feels like a joke, in that Peter was being way too talkative during the spell and it feels like a weird way to start such a life-changing event in Peter's life. Second, I REALLY wish they showed us the villains actually going back to their dimensions and living better lives. I'm sure they could have cut a few whatever jokes in the film, or cut out the unnecessary Venom scene, to see the villains happy and make Peter's sacrifices worth it.
As it stands, we don't get any closure on that and while we can assume Peter helped them out, it leaves the audience with very little catharsis and feels like it's incomplete. And I have no idea if they did this, but even if they do that in an extended cut or deleted scene, it doesn't count if it's not in the film when I paid to see it in theaters.
you simply cannot argue that the batman is better than NWH, since it's just a fact
Yeah I know, but I still enjoyed no way home more.
I couldn't disagree more
Spiderman no way home reintroduced established characters in a way that made sense and gave them all a satisfying payoffs. They were more than a cameo. I'm sorry but that was "a gorgeous and thrilling experience"
The Batman was pretty good
Spoken like a blinded MCU fan.
@@TheOminousFlareShow Spoken like someone who can't give a good argument.
@@jacktease27 spot on
@@jacktease27 This is what I don't like about yt's so called critics bruh like okay the batman is a far better movie well written and crafted on the other hand NWH wasn't trying to be a cinematic masterpiece it was just made for full fanservice and it delivered on that pretty greatly.
yeah there are plotholes and inconsistencies here and there but who tf cares about that when you got to see 3 spider-men on screen dafoe's iconic goblin and all the old villains again.
@@supergeek7134 I normally really like full fat but I feel that this video was very disingenuous.
Like the team on NWH didn't care
But The Batman team did
No way home did something Batman couldnt, Money
700 million isn’t enough?
Why the hell are you comparing the 2? They’re not even comparable, 2 TOTALLY different movies.
Ugh, I hate whenever a good DC movie comes out people use it to bash Marvel. They’re different, they’re for different audiences. Thats ok
This⬆️
Doesn't change the fact that as a movie, The Batman is much getter than MCU movies.
@@spider-man500 debatable. Way too long with a few weak performances, which in a super-serious film just shows up more. Still enjoyed it though but no masterpiece.
@@michaelm5542
There is not a single weak performance in the film
@@a.d8509 hmmmm people were praising Paul Dano but I personally wasn't convinced in the Arkham scenes. Also - and this is more of a personal thing - John Turturro was just John Turturro. Love him, but he's the same guy playing the same evil character. They didn't do anything to distinguish him, like they did with Colin Farrell. Other than that, solid performances all round.
I honestly think comparing The Batman and No Way Home is stupid, besides both being big superhero blockbusters they almost have nothing in common
The fact that they are both big superhero blockbusters is the point of comparison here. Its the filmic elements that are being compared such as score, sound design and visuals. This is something you can compare between these two movies very aptly
@@nappyninja I mean I’ll admit that The Batman had better directing than No Way Home, it just felt like some of his comparisons were him not understanding No Way Home
@Parvis I mean I think some of his complaints are fair, like The Batman’s directing blows No Way Home’s directing out of the water, I just think that if you’re gonna compare two movies, at least make sure the two movies have something in common
@Parvis I don’t have problems with people criticizing it, I just don’t get why anyone would compare it to The Batman of all movies
@Parvis I’ll admit he made some good points, like they should’ve played more classic music in No Way Home, I just feel calling the video “The Batman Did What Spider-Man: No Way Home Couldn’t” makes no sense since they’re both trying to achieve different things
they're different genres though, Batman is a thriller and is the batman, its meant to be grungy and claustrophobic.
Spiderman is an MCU movie, theres a lot of jokes and haha quirky characters.
Batman is artsy and is a DC movie with no formula, No Way Home is a disney marvel movie that is set in its tone.
It's not a fair comparison but i understand your point.
There's nothing we can do to change it though
The Batman was absolutely brilliant movie and I don't think I have said this for any other Batman movies except for Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises.
wait wait wait shhhh, you can hear the diehard MCU boy typing up a book
Hahahaha. They got mega salty with this one
@@FullFatVideos omg yess i agree haha. love the video!
@@justinnnnnn Lmao this video was made by a salty DC fanboy
@@chaconut6780 there we go. there’s the first one!
That reminds when people compared The Avengers to Dark Knight Rises. It's not comparable, one is the beginning of Universe, and the other is the ending of a trilogy. Now we have a beginning of a trilogy, and an ending to a character arc that was established before. And it's different style so it shouldn't be really compared.
Edit: having said that it's a great video on how cinematic The Batman is and what's missing in the recent MCU movies.
Hey man!!! I am greatly a supporter of your thoughts and Content!! I'm disappointed that there is so much division in the comments, but unfortunately not surprised. I agree with your take here, the batman is a game changer, and i think its only right we demand more from marvel and blockbusters in general. Anyways, i was wanting to ask if you planned on making a in depth video on the batman similar to what you did with you earlier content, and my favorite video of yours the Spiderman 2 and whiplash double feature. Well its amazing withing man!! Hope your well, and Stay Shining !!!
Great essay! This was the video I was waiting to happen. I needed this video essay so bad!!! I compared these films too and The Batman just did it better. Thank you for making this video discussing the distinctions of the films.
I personally prefer The Batman because the story was great though it is a bit of a slow burn. The acting from most (if not all) the cast was superb! It was just a tad bit too visually dark HAHAHA But I've come to accept that Batman movies will just be darkness at this point. Still, as a long-time fan of Rob Pat, I was very happy that he nailed this role! And it's nice to see more broody sides of Batman hueheuhue
No Way Home was a very fun watch though. As much as it was "nostalgia bait", it was still very interesting. I mean it was cool af to see all the Spidermans come together and I fangirled like crazy. Though I personally think the previous Tom holland Spiderman movies were somewhat better. I found Tom Holland to be a tad bit annoying in NWH, just a bit.
The target demographic for both is quite different. I personally think the Batman is for more mature audiences while the Spiderman can be enjoyed by both young and old alike! I just hope DC and Marvel fans can just enjoy both for what they are. No need to hate on the other ♡♡♡ Just love and peace guys!!!
There were a lot from the deleted scenes I wish NWH kept!
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Yeah I agree, actually it has a lot of potential
My biggest pet peeve is when someone say these movies shouldn’t be compared because one is light and one is dark NO they very much should be compared because there is a certain level of artistry that goes into any type of film and just because a movie is meant to be more fun and lighthearted isn’t a excuse to have lazy storytelling, and plot holes, and bad lighting with pour CGI 🤦♂️
Batman had plotholes too tho. And times where the writers clearly wanted to say one thing but backed off right away, dulling the impact of the revelations prior. Both movies have flaws and both have strengths. And they’re also in 2 different genres, the only thing linking them is that they both have a comic book hero in them
@@mbaseballfan96 i'd like for you to point out a plot hole cuz i've seen the movie twice and i tried to find problems but i literally couldn't
@@mbaseballfan96 please tell me one plot hole in the Batman movie ? And I disagree the movie was very daring and took chances and didn’t back away from them risks they took.
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I mean they did kind of walk back the Wayne's corruption, I like that because I've always thought stories of making the Waynes corrupt kind of ignores the point of the Waynes but they did walk it back. Not really a plot hole but I'd also say the reveal of the rat was dumb like I think it's meant to be big but it was pretty obvious that Falcone is behind all the corruption in he city like all the people Riddler killed hung out in his lounge. Honestly a lot of the detective stuff was kind of off like the fact that Batman and Gordon's first thought was a Penguin with the rat clue was dumb.
@@mikemorro140 I don’t feel like they walked back the corruption of the Wayne’s at all because Thomas Wayne still tried to cover up dirt by hiring a criminal to have a reporter silenced now however the criminal decided to handle it isn’t the main point the point is he still hired a criminal to cover up dirt on Martha. As for the mystery I think it was genius because you have Batman and Gordon making mistakes witch made the story more engaging, if you made them perfect then we wouldn’t have a good mystery movie. I think the Batman was close to a masterpiece all across the bored.
I think this unpopular opion but I think Batman is better then no way home
yeah it is
Dune and The Batman releasing so soon after one another will mark the beginning of a Golden age of post pandemic Cinema
Batman and No Way home are literally poles apart in quality. One is a masterfully crafted artwork and other is run of the mill Marvel popcorn flick created purely for fan service
The batmobile revving up has to be one of my favorite scenes from a superhero movie. The car looked like a car that could exist if someone went ham on customizing
I feel likes kind of unfair to compare these 2 films I think they are 2 perfect films in completely different ways
I’ve been saying it for decades, Marvel is for kids…DC is for the adults!
That's so true