Palpatine's Art of Camp (And How It Saved The Prequels)
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Ian McDiarmid's Emperor Palpatine is the performance of a lifetime - but how did this unique brand of campy acting save the star wars prequels?
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I agree with your video completely. Star Wars is like a giant Shakespeare play. You can feel the weight of the scenes. Only thing I’d add is Samuel Jackson adds his own theme and it amplifies Christopher Lee and Ian’s performances (or makes the scenes badass).
@Unlicensed Lurker ah I see you make a living off UA-cam off the back of your successful channel! Thanks for the unsolicited advice!
If you watch the prequels, but skip young anakin and jar jar entirely, then skip the love story part, it sounds crazy, but it's an amazing movie. Like A+. Just try it, any scene with Jar Jar in it as a character not background just skip, any seen with young anakin in phantom menace just skip, when they are on naboo in attack of the clones, skip it. You cut out about 1/4 the prequels but it makes the movies so much better.
If you watch the prequels, but skip young anakin and jar jar entirely, then skip the love story part, it sounds crazy, but it's an amazing movie. Like A+. Just try it, any scene with Jar Jar in it as a character not background just skip, any seen with young anakin in phantom menace just skip, when they are on naboo in attack of the clones, skip it. You cut out about 1/4 the prequels but it makes the movies so much better.
the camp side of acting is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural...
Are you threatening me, master memer?
the senate will decide your fate
....I AM the Senate!!
I had to do it...
Aaaaahhhhhhhhh
*Red Lightsaber Sonic Spin*
Ian McDiarmid is a theatre actor who knows what kind of film he's in and when to ham it up. If you think you're going to upstage him, you are so, so wrong.
Theatre Actor: outdoes Ian McDiarmid's acting
Ian McDiarmid: It's treason, then.
Ian McDiarmid: POWER! UNLIMITED POWER!!!
This is really interesting. Star wars has so many classic or theatre actors like this guy and the Obi Wan in the OT. They seem like a different class of actors, and i don't see their career really blowing up. I never even thought about how good Palpatine really was in the star wars movies, thinking he was just bland evil dude, but the performance took that old trope and gave it HOOTSPA.
I guess the more impressive a talent is honed, the more subtle details of their expertise is lost on films.
@@DeadSpacedOut I would like this reply, but it's currently at 66 likes, and it should be kept there.
@@QA-ut7dd no need to worry my friend, its now over 66 likes
"Babe, tell me a story"
Me: "You ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagues the wise?"
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise I thought not, it's not a story the jedi would tell you, it's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise, he could use the force to influence the midiclorians to create... life. He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually of course he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew and his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic... he could save others from death. But not himself. Not from a jedi.
Obi-Ron Kenobi ok so did Senate kill him to become him or was he a fallen Jedi.
Why is this story so popular?
@@jackster9775 He was the dark lord of the Sith ,Darth Sidious's master. One of the greatest Dark lords EVER, one of the greatest force sensitives EVER. Sidious is lying here to Anakin. The Jedi didn't even know of his existance. Sidious in that scene was reporpusing a line he said to his master decades before, a line in which he states that he will remembered by future generations of Sith as Darth Plagueis the wise.
This man is aware of the effect he has on women.
Mcdiarmid's palpatine voice is like pure venom is dripping off his tongue, it's fantastic
Hearing him speak with his hood on is so....unnerving.
He has said before that when he saw the concept art for Palpatine, the notion that the character should be somewhat reptilian in nature came to him. We sort of see this in Palpatine's costumes throughout the prequel trilogy.
I mean besides palpatine I would say ewan mcgregor also absolutely fucking smashed his role as obi won
@@joshcurtis4522 for sure
"Master Yoda... you survived". Utter hatred in that line.
hats off to older ian mcdiarmid for playing a younger version of palpatine
kind of ironic too, when he was younger, he played the older Emporer, when older he played a younger Emporer/Palpatine
Ironic
Murphy08 Ironic.
I just think it's funny how he was 39 by the time ROTJ released, and somehow was cast as a character more than twice his age at the time, and then an oddly convenient 15 something years later he gets cast in the same role in a timeframe where the character is roughly around the same age as him.
@@NamelocTheBard he was only ~24
"Star Wars is a story filled with hope and revolution, but it's safe to say its characters suffer time and time again.
Not Palpy. No, Palpy is loving life 24/7." (I died at this)
Especially since none of the prequels are filled with hope or revolution
A few revolutions were occurring lmao, there was a large split between the planetary systems in the republic to the point where the republic called upon an army to combat the opposing side.. the back half of revenge of the sith is literally only a revolution where the republic and Jedi were overthrown by Palpatine, Vader, and the clones. Think before you speak
I agree and I think that villains in a way get hope off of the heroes because a villain will get a drive to try to outdo the heroes like when a actor practice is there lines
Star Wars is an original grimdark universe. There is nothing, but war, misery and a laughing of immortal Emperor. 40k would win gold medal for fictional world I would not want to live in, but damn, Star Wars comes very close second!
It was so funny bcz that's one of the reasons I love Palp.
the "sand" line. nobody ever talks about how Hayden Christenson delivered that line the best it could have been. try it. he was awesome
No, I thought his delivery was still a problem. It was like he was trying to sound whimsical, when he should have been more irritated and choppy.
George Lucas couldn't write romantic script for a soap opera, and he couldn't direct an actor to the catering table. He made Natalie Portman, Samuel Jackson and Liam Neeson into local theater rejects with his direction, script and choice of takes. Hayden is not to blame for that shitstorm.
LMAO
Agreed.
Sand
The sand line is horrible and he makes it seem (only) wooden and not horrible. Try to record that line yourself and make facial expressions and body language to make that line halfway work and you will see that he is a genius to make the sand line work as well as it does.
@SwenglishGamer
The line works better than it should, it works just barely, because he made it work that well. He looks at her and he makes that moment look better than it should. He shows how he feels about her, and his comment about sand tells us about his life and it even sounds a tiny bit profound by reminding us about his life up until now. Bad writing can make an actor look bad.
To me, Darth Vader yelling “NOOOOO” in RotS is actually very tragic. He’s in a mechanical suit, just learned he’s lost Padme in his gamble to save her, and when he just wants to scream out his frustration and despair, the only thing that comes out is this mechanical, off-putting, almost goofy yell. Which makes it even worse. Dude can’t even express himself in his moment of defeat
That’s a really good way to put it. Makes me look at that scene differently for sure.
Vader yelling NOOOOOOOO does also kinda make sense in episode 3, since he's still the loud, angry, emotional Anakin, he's not the cold, intimidating, ingenious Vader just because he put a cool suit on.
He probably realized he got put in another prison
Not to mention that sound he makes right before screaming. Like the hideously deformed parody of a newborn baby’s cries. Nobody ever mentions it, but I’ve always found it so damn haunting.
It would feel strange if he just found out Padme died and said nothing.
"He was extremely old and he ran the Universe."
Great, Ian, just great.
so basically Donald Trump in his wet dreams.
@Han Lockhart i make one Donald Trump joke and one butthurt supporter gets mad... thats kinda sad.
@Han Lockhart yeah sure... that sounds like something a perfectly sane person would reply...
@Han Lockhart Lockhart is right. You're on a completely unrelated topic about a fictional character in a fictional universe that was relevant long before Trump was, and yet you mention Trump out of the blue. That means he's on your mind. It's basic psychology.
@@TheStraightestWhitest your name says enough about you man, thats all im saying.
I remember watching the Phantom Menace with my Dad as a kid and he was like "Is that the bad guy" and I was all like "No that's Senator Palpatine he's trying to help the Jedi" XD
Troll Level 100
double plus good.
Bro as a kid I had no clue Palpatine was the Emperor. I thought he was the good guy even Attack of the Clones came out. I read a Star Wars book in 2002 or 2003 and it said the Emperor's name was Palpatine and the Sidious/Palpatine connection clicked. But the Emperor is never referred to as Palpatine in the OT, so I never thought much of it before that book.
*surprised pikachu face*
You young fool! Lol
The line “oh I’m afraid the deflector shields are quite operational” is perhaps one of the most enchantingly chilling lines of Ian McDiarmid’s. Such excellent delivery. An outwardly concerned tone with various layers of mockery and a subtle undertone of evil glee. Just excellent
As a child that line sounded like he was genuinely sad, creating this creepy sense that Palpatine would kill you while saying "oh I'm so sorry, does that hurt?" sounding like he's gonna cry
Like a creature out of a nightmare
That was all him too. He brought all of that malice to what is essentially, on paper, just a line that any other actor may not have delivered on. He was great from the start.
I grew up with the Emperor just always being a fully formed thing. I grew up taking him for granted. As a child I didn't even think of it as an actor playing a part. He was just "The Emperor", and I only knew his name was Palpatine through various inquiries and questions to my parents and older cousins.
"Who is the Emperor? Why does he look like that?"
"I think his name is Palpatine something. I dunno. He's just really old and evil."
When you realize Thanos memes are just Palpatine memes:
“Ironic”
"impossible"
Truly, he has been every voice we have ever heard inside our heads.
@@shaneyy__
The fandom will have failed if that line is not added to the list of Palpatine memes...
@@DemonicRemption knowing the internet it's probably already out there we just gotta find it.
Hayden gets too much shit for his performance. Like, guys, he didn't write the lines. Moreover, he perfectly captured how an awkward (and not so bright) teenager would act. Yes, it looks cringey, but that's kind of the point
I agree, but it wasn't the point. George was trying to write a nice poetic forbidden romance like Romeo and Juliet and needed a few more drafts
@@JonahNelson7 Fair. George was always bad at dialogue, but still, Hayden gets all the hate Lucas should've got for the dialogue. There really is no way to say those lines in a way that would look good
I'd still argue that more emotion was needed. There were some romance lines lacking where emotion was pivotal to the believability.
I LOVE the hadcannon that I have for this - Anakin is the face of Clone Wars but that doesn't mean he has to be charismatic and its a kind of subversion that the chosen one is such an awkward human mess and for that portrayal I think both Christiansen and the screenwriting team worked to great success :D
What makes you think Anakin isn’t bright?
What I've always loved about the character is in the prequels you know Palpatine and Sidious are the same person, but he's played in such a way that they feel separate. When he finally reveals himself as the Sith Lord you can feel his relief of shedding the false guise of the senator. It's something that I think only Ian could have done.
I legit have to admit that i did not know that they where played by the same actor untill the scene where Anakin kills Dooku in ROTS. That's when i figuerd it out and felt like an idiot
Christopher Reeve as Superman pulled the same trick when playing as Clark Kent.
Very true. "It's treason then" - you can feel the gigantic ego he relishes in, knowing the jedi are terrified of him, that he absolutely owns every single one of them, and now he's finally able to show it!
The Senate IS Star Wars imo.
Not a single other human being could pull of that "UNLIMITED POWER!" line without it coming across as awful.
I think what really worked in Ian's favor was that Palpatine doesn't need any redeeming qualities. He can just go full evil and not worry about messing up the character. Palpatine can genuinely enjoy every moment of torment that he inflicts, and Ian shows it in spades.
It's probably really fun to play such an unabashedly evil character, and he certainly seems to channel that enjoyment.
I mean, he was basically an authoritarian democratic backsliding politician who successfully turned a democracy to an authoritarian state. Like you can do a lot with a character story like that.
"I don't like sand... it's coarse and rough... and it gets everywhere... oh hi Mark."
"I don't like sand... it's coarse and rough... and it gets everywhere... oh hi Mark, say hello to my little friend"
Keep in mind that Anakin was a slave on a desert planet. He has every right to hate sand.
It annoys me how many people criticise that line while taking it at face value, forgetting that Anakin isn't actually talking about sand at all.
@@jackbaxter2223 This. It's actually a good line that helps build his character, but because everyone who doesn't understand thinks he's actually talking about sand it's apparently terrible.
@@ninjaworld101 he fuckin hates it.
the grin on his face when anakin says “what happened to him?” he knows at that point he’s got him and it’s awesome!
Nostalgia critic said it best: It really is one of the best scenes in that whole trilogy, if not the best. The pacing, the atmosphere, the delivery, the music, the story, it's all perfect.
I thought it was from fond memories of electricuting the absolute shit out of him.
I also love the grin when anakin says “is it possible to learn this power?” “Not from a Jedi”
@@thorinhannahs4614 It's both. On the verge of his greatest triumph, he takes a look back at happy memories of one of the most important victories that brought him to where he now is.
@@roberts316 hm? Are you suggesting Darth Plagueis was Palpatine's master?
The Darth Vader's birth scene ending with him screaming no, in my opinion can be a scene that shows how much Vader has lost.
Let me put it this way
Vader's Intent: *A blood curling scream filled with pain, regret, and anger.*
Vader's voice-box: 'Does not compute, using closest approximation' "NNOOOOOO!!!"
I actually like this idea
I've always sort of put in Vader screaming whenever I think of this scene. Just the scream of a man who destroyed everything he ever cared about, and is now a slave to his own body forever.
That doesn’t make sense though, because he’s made inaudible noises before, in fact he did so in that very scene.
Wasn't it in the novel?
I'm fairly sure that you can hear him making a coughing, almost gagging sound at the news right before he yells, so that is actually possible
18:26 a lot of people complain about this particular scene, but I like it.
It puts the idea of Vader being “more machine than man” to context. After a long surgical process, from which in the end Anakin comes out relying on technology even to breathe or speak, he tries to move and talk as a way to express himself and cope with his own pain, but only articulates as a clumsy automaton. There’s no real emotion in his voice anymore. He’s trapped within his new body and can’t let out his emotions as before.
Its the culmination of Vader’s ark and the death of Anakin not because the yelling sounds natural, but because it doesn’t.
Ian McDirmid and Ewan McGregor are the best part of the prequels.
Correct.
MEMES!
The prequels are great
Couldn't agree more.
Yeah but Obi wan is overrated
"He can show off his true immeasurable power..."
Dude. *DUDE.* You missed an opportunity. You should've said, "He can show off his true UNLIMITED POWWAAHHHHHHH!"
Right was I found your comment he said it...
Everyone: “Anakin had bad dialogue”
Me: I’ve said dumber shit when I’m around the girl I like. That’s just how he talks.
Dont make dialog realistic, make it believable
Man pretty much got tips about pulling birds from literally the biggest virgins in the galaxy
McTommo69420 OG and ironically he had the biggest playboy in the order as a master
@Megan Todd well considering he had like 6 girlfriends in legends while being part of a cult full of virgins, I’d say he got game enough to be called a playboy in comparison of said cult
To be fair Hayden C. was EXCEPTIONAL at Non-Verbal Communication.
Whenever someone says “the writing” when talking about the prequels, I always know the sand clip is coming.... it never gets old
I used it at work. I love that line because it is so elemental.
It baffles me how that's always the go-to line when pointing out the Prequels' bad dialogue. The fireplace scene in AOTC is worse by light-years and far less defensible than "I don't like sand".
It never gets old, just like those younglings...
@@divergenttardis7378 Ahh yeah BDSM scene LOL so funny and awkward. Hayden was just not main actor material. IMO he was not bad per say. But man Lucas didn't help to build chemistry on set.
In fairness, it’s a prime example.
Mcdirmid was the perfect choice and played the “separate” roles of Palpatine, Sidious, and The Emperor perfectly
And in all three roles, he was the Senate
oddly enough, he was a last minute replacement for who they were going to cast as Palpatine and he turned out to be fantastic
@@isaactorres7525 not yet
“I am the prequels”
Big_Brain_Kai’sa_Main Ok Kaisa
"Search your feelings, you know it to be true."
"Not yet"
Marshal Hampson hewwo :3
*UNLIMITED PREQUELS!!!*
Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid carried the prequels
Only reason they don't have back issues is that they worked together to carry it xD
Hayden was my favorite from the prequels!
Liam Neeson, Christopher Lee?
Samuel L Jackson was great too.
Its a bit poetic that the people who carried the prequels, have quite similar names
18:51 "It seems, in your anger, you killed her" god I love how gentle the delivery that line is, just pure deceit and manipulation, taking care to give vader a kind voice at his lowest moment to solidify his loyalty
"I am the Senate"
This is probably the biggest Star Wars meme that exists and for good reason. That line delivery is perfection XD
I thought “Dew it!” was the biggest one.
@@VulpseiusFox I didn't really see many 'Dew It' memes at the time, until the Game Grumps made jokes about it.
Hello there disagrees
Barney The Dinosaur “General Kenoobi...” XD
It over Anakin I have the high ground
I am the senate
Another happy landing
Hello there
GENERAL KENOBI
Dew it
Gooooood
Time to abandon ship
You underestimate my pOWer
This party's over
Nooooooooo
UNLIMITED POWA
You don't want to sell me deathsticks
"not all seriousness that fails can be redeemed as Camp" *cuts to Leto's Joker* xD
Ian McDiarmid is basically a walking meme machine as Palpatine. Everything about his performance is pure gold.
Ian McDiarmid should've won an Oscar for playing Palpatine
"He did it. He successfully manipulated the chosen one into his personal flying monkey."
I understood that reference!
:D
Lefter Mc From Oz?
Monkey?
@@nathanb4424 Star Sprangled Man with a Plan?
Hayden did about as well as he could with some of those garbage lines
A good actor can take even pretty bad dialogue and work with it. That's why the seasoned actors playing obi-wan, Duku, and Palpatine did pretty well with the bad dialogue. They didn't selectively give Hayden all the bad lines.
They gave him the absolute worst lines though. Big and little Annie both had shit lines.
Lucas also assumed that the renowned Natalie Portman would help carry him through the scenes. But she was just there for the paychecks and this frustrated Hayden.
Perhaps a better actor wouldn't follow the script verbatim and improvise to make it better in their mind. But yes, I generally agree with your sentiment.
@@isaacmccracken5870 Natalie Portman is also a skilled actor though and she did even worse than Christiansen. They both had the worst lines. George Lucas doesn't know how to write a romantic relationship.
My favorite part of the opera scene is Ian's silent contemplation for a second after Anakin says, "The Sith rely on their passion for their strength. They think inward, only about themselves."
In later viewings you can get the sense he's putting the strings together. He knows that as long as Anakin is working out of servitude for Padmé and not himself, he can make him do anything and Anakin will see it as justified. Until it's too late, of course.
I love how Palpatine is just clearly having a blast being on the dark side.
Obi Wan, the guy who took down the first Sith in generations, says, "Sith Lords are our specialty." And then gets his tail kicked 😂
Well who else is going to kill a Sith Lord? Has to be the Jedi. Also he's upping his value in front of his... boss is the wrong word, but you get the idea.
It’s a great line, *ironic* that he says that in front of a sith lord, who I’m sure had to hold in a cackle, but a great line. Hayden needed to own the cheesiness of a space opera a little more. Fantastic actor, but not for a Star Wars movie.
"Sith lords are our speciality"
Palpatine, the sith lord: wat
Palpatine at the Opera with anakin is something I forgot but remembered how convincing it was. I would have turned to the dark side if he gave me that talk with the points he lead with.
Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?
@@kevmasengale6903 I can't say I have
I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend.
Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.
@@kevmasengale6903 it all comes full circle that's deep
Favorite line from Episode 3:
Annakin: **cuts off Dooku's hands** **beheads Dooku**
- later -
Annakin: ...I killed an *unarmed* prisoner...
WAKA WAKA!
Mcdiarmid was in his 30's when he played the Emperor, that show you how amazing of an actor he is. It was believable that a 30+ year old man played some one in his 70s-80s. Mcdermid is amazing.
I liked the "negotiations were short line", it fits obi wan
tbh all Obi Wan lines are gold.
@@the_emmo Is it the lines though, or just how well they are delivered?
Agreed. Most of the lines people give as examples of "bad dialogue" actually aren't bad at all. They fit. This is a great example. There really is nothing wrong with that line
@@rikudoubapeck "From my point of view, the jedi are evil"
@@KyleDB150 "Well then you are lost!". Seriously though explain to me what's actually wrong with it in the context of ROTS
The only part I have to disagree with is claiming that Rogue One didn't justify its own existence.
It wasn't a story that NEEDED to be told. True. But then, very few storie NEED to be told. Much of the EU, both disney canon and legends, after all, is completely superfluous to enjoying the movies.
Rogue One, however, proved that you could have a successful Star Wars movie that wasn't part of an epic trilogy involving somebody named "Skywalker".
i’m okay in principle with rogue one existing, i just wish it wasn’t so iffy in regards to continuity. they weren’t even spies
Rogue 1 is at least better than episode 1 and 2.
@@thatoneguy609
Wrong Death Star, you're thinking of the second one
Rachel&Johan Hyatt
No all of the prequels are great. Rouge One may of been the best Disney film and the only one to capture the spirit of Star Wars (which is impressive as it to my knowledge had no direct involvement from George or his pupil Dave) but it doesn't surpass anything George has done.
TheSwordsman100 that’s debatable, the acting and direction are objectively better. You can not like the story, or the characters. But they movie is better than all three of the prequels in terms of factual information. (Honestly, I think R1 is the worst Disney movie, I prefer Solo and TLJ. But preferences are preferences, but our place to judge)
@@holden_7597
Debatable? Sure, fandoms debate about everything all the time, objectively better though? Nope. I also don't hate RO's story and characters, like I said before, its the only good Disney movie. The rest nearly killed off the SW brand. If it wasn't for CW or the Mandolarian SW would be dead.
Palpatine is so powerful and confident that he treats every thing as a game. The pure joy in every line of dialogue caries the underlying threat that you're only alive because he's having fun with you.
"He's so evil and he loves it. You gotta respect that."
Hahahaha "From my point of view the Jedi are evil."
Dude, you're not supposed to read your character directions.
That was one of the dumber lines🙄 It annoys me especially because there were some very good arguments he could have made, but no, nothing was played out properly.
I think George Lucas just couldn't stop himself from doing a very obscure call-back to Old Ben's "from a certain point of view" line.
@@saswitchcraft7881 That's EXACTLY why that's there, I'm sure of it...
@@annnee6818 Yeah but would that have really worked with his character? Anakin didnt exactly leave after formulating some kind of formal case against the jedis policies. He betrayed them on an impulse, he was an impulsive guy. I think the line works, maybe there was a better one? Who knows really directing is complicated.
@Morahman7vnNo2 I always thought the reason for the Jedi's defeat was never clear enough, obviously, Anakin was manipulated and forced into becomming a Sith, but the Jedi big time fucked up, they were too big for their own good, they became involved in politics and war, they were almost corrupt, but I feel like that's only ever really explored in the EU. Is it just me? Maybe I'm missing the point. I'm not sure.
*Prequel Trilogy is released*
"IT SUUUCKS!!!"
*New Trilogy is released*
"Does it though?"
Yeah, still does.
Prequels>original trilogy
Adjuni no one thinks the prequels suck
At least the prequels made the animated Clone Wars series.
Levi Smith Yessssss!
The Prequels have really grown on me, I absolutely love the creativity that goes into it and The Clone Wars TV show helped massively to build it up.
Emperor "HAHAHA I LOVE BEING EVIL!!" Palpatine. McDiarmid is a treasure. No one will ever do it better.
The opera scene is so amazing, I love how Palpatine has this evil grin in his face while talking about Darth Plagueis's death, like he's happily reminicing about when he murdered him.
Matt I. He is lol
Matt I.
I also felt like he was telling himself “this is easier than I thought it was gonna be” during the opera scene.
Ian McDarmid flawlessly dominates every scene he was in the prequels and made Darth Sidious such a beautiful evil Mr. Rogers.
"because of Obi-Wan's cowardice"
It wasn't cowardice, chum, he just had the (moral) high-ground(!) and didn't realise Vader had a cloak of +3 fire resist.
Obi Wan had +5 to athletics and affinity for high ground
Leaving your friend to burn to death instead of just ending him there doesn't seem very moral to me, bud.
@@syweb2 I agree. It doesn't seem very moral to me. For whatever reason, I don't think a lot of people get the idea that Obi Wan probably didn't have the heart to kill a young man who he had raised from the time he was a child, despite what he had become. Not cowardice, but a perceived failure to live up to his masters last wish, a lost friendship, and a brother deceased, despite his still living.
That’s literally demonstration of Obi Wan still believing in Jedi codi (don’t kill unarmed enemy, remember?)
probably didnt realize the new emperor was gonna hightail it over there and save vader either. he probably thought "sith killed each other all the time way back when and palpy runs the universe, charbroiled ani is good for everyone except anakin" and then when palpatines big hard breathing cyborg showed back up obiwan went "sh*t"
ian mcdirmid has been old for 40 years
I never noticed that smile when Vader learns Padme died... that scene is in a whole new level for me now
The sequel trilogy are really making the prequels age really well.
If Qui-Gon wasn't meant to die, he would be the second thing to carry the trilogy.
Nah like sixth
It would have been nice to have him around for longer.
I always found Palpatine’s smirk during the famous NOOOOOOOO scene to resemble the way Pazuzu/Regan smirks at Father Merrin’s death in The Exorcist. They both have this kind of smile that isn’t too over the top like a guttural laugh, but just enough malice and twisted pride in the damage they’ve inflicted to scare the viewer and work. Anyone else notice draw that parallel?
You made a great point: the overall story of the prequels was structurally sound, but the ridiculous dialog ruined them as serious films.
Which is a strange contrast to the new ones where it is more the other way around.
It's kinda like what happened to Batman and Robin... XD
The plotline for phantom menace was weak
Actually, the PT has a terrible structure. The Phantom Menace is completely pointless, since it is set 10 years before the second one. Nine year old Anakin is basically a completly different character and we barely see him together with Obi-Wan. The trilogy should have started much later in the story and should have focused more on their relationship and adventures before and during the clone wars.
@@Flashplayer65 I think it's a good backdrop. Anakin being a wide eye innocent boy, despite being a slave, is optimistic and and is actually doing fairly well for himself, being a great racer and mechanic, and being with a loving mother. How would he have turned out if he had just stayed on that rock? I think Anakin was doomed the moment he was noticed by the Jedi. He could have made himself a life on Tatooine. It's a tragedy
Palps: live, laugh, loathe
Space Karen
I'd buy that shirt.
Oh man, yeah, I'd never thought about it before but that is so, soooo true. Palpatine/Darth Sidious really is the most widely cherished of the principle characters in the prequels. Among the most polarized, most overly critical fanbase in the whole entire world who are perpetually impossible to satisfy, Palpatine is the only one who is unanimously considered above reproach by fans. It's quite remarkable. There's just something intrinsically likeable about Ian McDiarmid in this role altogether. In other words; as the old saying goes....
"I don't know what 'it' is exactly; but he's got it in spades."
The dark side of the Force is a pathway to MANY abilities some consider to be....unnatural
Obi wan is universally loved as well.
What abt Rogue One, that didn’t get fans to b overly critical.
I mean, Palpatine is my favourite Star Wars character of all time, and I can't envision a version of him where there is no presence of Ian McDiarmid, even in books. The man made the character, and I love it.
What I find so fantastic about the character of Palpatine is the flawless depiction of a narcissist/psychopath. Modern stories tend to prefer having complex villains who have tragic back stories that lead them to being evil, and I think this reflects our "humans are mostly good" philosophy. -Nobody chooses to be evil. I have dealt with a number of these types of personalities in my life. When somebody is willing to completely destroy another person's reputation, self-esteem, or even life for a slight edge on a fleeting desire, you can't call that anything less than evil. Palpatine doesn't care how many innocent lives he has to kill, torture, or send through hell, so long as it gets him what he wants, he will sacrifice the entire galaxy. Ian McDirmid portrays this character trait perfectly. Smooth, soft, gentle, and seemingly compassionate until it is too late. Then uncontrollable laughing from his inevitable victory.
@2manynegativewaves and I think this reflects our "humans are mostly good" philosophy. Talk for yourself, that's a leftist doctrine and that's why you find it in Hollywood.
@2manynegativewaves Don't compare Palpatine to the people in office.
Its an insult to Palpatine. He's atleast smart about how he does things
I'm actually tired of the "every human being is just a good person making bad choices" trope. Its already gotten old.
@@soulveiw nah, it's actually been studied. People in high office and heads of corporations share traits with sociopaths.
@@paulheap1982 most aren't though
A lot of his 'campness' has been built into the lore. E.g. the 'yelp' he gives when the attacks Windu and co. as they attempt to arrest him - is now considered a 'Force Scream' that shook the Jedi and made them so easier to kill.
This is what happens when 500 books are written by 200 people about the same 20 characters
Well given Obi Wan did a Force Scream to scare off the sand people in A New Hope it's not new. It seemed very intentional given I can't imagine anyone could make that sound without editing.
@@@magvad6472 Exactly! :D
@@magvad6472 Wait, what? A 'force scream'? He was pretty clear in the film in explaining he was mimmicking some big beasty they are scared of... So it being a 'force scream' is the product of the same circle jerk of extended universe writers...
About the "force scream" thing, pretty sure that sound was distorted in order to sound inhumane, the Dark Side revealing itself and all that
The 2 horsemen of star wars prequels:
Light side: Ewan McGregor
Dark side: Ian McDiarmid
Fat side: Ronald McDonald.
He was just having a jolly time, the way I saw it, goofy, but scary too in my mind, he was so confident that he was having fun.
Me: Is it possible to learn this style of acting?
Ian McDiarmid: Not from a Jedi...
Ian McDiarmid has NEVER gotten the credit he deserves in USA.
RooskiWolf as opposed to what ?
He is underrated while his character is overrated.
No offense but there are a shitload of British actors in the last 60 years who fall under that category, and especially before the Harry Potter movies came out when it was almost impossible for a British person to get a lead in a Hollywood movie if they couldn't fake an American accent or weren't playing James Bond.
@@majordbag2 like John Cleese despite his great success.
@@divyangvaidya9675 Well first of all, I said *almost* impossible to make it big so there's going to be some exceptions but even then John Cleese isn't one of them. The majority of his big films, i.e. Monty Python and A Fish Called Wanda, were British made films that had decent success in the USA. To be fair, Cleese had a great American career overall but mostly in minor roles, like the King in Shrek 2 or R in the Bond movies, and nowhere near that megastars from the 70-90s like Clint Eastwood, Eddie Murphy, George Clooney, Bruce Willis, or any of the Hollywood A-listers who took leading roles. At best he wound up as a high-grade B list actor.
The biggest British stars I can think of in the US before the Potter movies changed everything are Christian Bale and Hugh Laurie and guess what? All their big American roles had them faking being American.
Just trust me here, before the Potter movies it was much harder (note that doesn't mean impossible) for British actors to get leading roles without faking an American accent.
"now young skywalker, you will die" isn't just in reference to luke either, but to anakin, who he'd bury once again with the death of luke
Ian McDiarmid, Christopher Lee, and Ewan McGregor are the stars of the prequels.
The sequels have no stars. McDiarmids character had no more power to save them than he had to save Padme :)
@Darth Sidious Im sure hes a great actor, but the shitty writing renders him ineffective. Kylo isnt scary, menacing, or intimidating. He's pathetic.
@Darth Sidious He sucked at that too.
@@hullbreach33 That was the point of his character. A pathetic Vader wannabee, constantly in the shadows of his family, eager to prove that he's more than just a Skywalker or a Solo. But I agree, he could have been written way better.
Ewan McGregor eerily captured the late Alec Guinness.
The prequels suffered every time a character under 20 or named Jar Jar appeared on screen. Cut to just Palpatine, Dooku, Kenobi, Maul, and Qui-Gon, there'd have been 3 hours of excellent film.
He heavily studied him as well as his mannerisms and his scenes from the Original Trilogy so great spot!
The things we dislike about the prequels are intentional. People told Lucas a new hope was shit and they redited it to what we know today.
@@blackhammer5035 Except Maul was the same age as Obi-Wan in TPM, late teens/early 20s. Anakin was 22 in Revenge of the Sith. Padme was 24 in Attack of the Clones and 27 in Revenge of the Sith... Your logic is flawed, sir.
@@danmenard6917 Maul was actually younger than Kenobi.....
I’m a little ashamed to admit that I thought this movie would be about palp sitting in a corner with a shotgun.
Palpatine is definitely that person in a bush with silenced weapon, Ghost and Second Chance
Is that a yogs ttt reference
Or prone with an mmg
Lol I thought similarly that it would be his waiting game
Or in reference to the new Modern Warfare, camping in a room with a shotty and Killchain so he can achieve his killstreaks easier for *U* *N* *L* *I* *M* *I* *T* *E* *D* *POWWWWWEEEEERRRRRR*
“Emperor Palpatine is evil!”
“Oh yeah? Well NUH UH!”
Full Fat Videos:
"The progenitor of two galactic conflicts..."
J.J. Abrams:
"There's three actually"
I love seeing Spider-Verse work.
Not only does Palpatine have the art of camp, if you read the novels, he's the master of the art of trolling. Seriously, the many UA-camrs that are on Fanalysis have said that if he dropped all pretense then he'd be exactly like the robot chicken version of Palpatine. In the original Clone Wars, he constantly trolls everyone around him during the Battle of Coruscant (including Grevious who he had personally sent to the planet) which is made even weirder if you read Labyrinth of Evil where minutes before, he came running out of an elevator throwing aside his Sith robes after coming up from the basement where he killed some clones and an agent as Darth Sidious...
14:28 Also two things I'd like to say about this scene are:
1) The performance they watch is the same one Palpatine and Plagueis watched on the night Palpatine was talking about (with Plagueis getting incredibly drunk).
2) The chapter in Revenge of the Sith novel describes his smile as "a gentle smile of wisdom" despite how we all know how it looks.
The novel made Palpatine's evil far less evident, I guess in order for Anakin's fall to be more believable (mission accomplished). I mean, in the movie, he is BLATANTLY evil all the time (not for McDiarmid's fault, but the dialogues are what they are, as the video says). In the novel, on the contrary, his conversations with Anakin almost remember me of Dumbledore's conversations with Harry Potter in the HP's novels. Except that this Dumbledore is evil and is subtly corrupting the victim's soul.
P.S. Which means that Palpatine is basically Dumbledore's wisdom and knowledge combined with Voldemort's lust for power and evil nature. Which is... pretty terrifying if you think about it.
@@rickblaine9670 yeah, some of his lines flip between the two positions in the novelisation, there's even a line where he offers CORELIA to Anakin (and he says either the planet or the system) and he basically says 'come on everybody let's do it' during the novel's version of his speech for establishment of the Galactic Empire.
@@Jedi_Spartan Exactly. The "let's do it" to the Senate was maybe a bit too much lol :) but on the other hand, it was meant to estabilish that the Senate was completely corrupted and at his mercy by the end of the Clone Wars. He could have invited them all to punch themselves in the face and they would've done it with a smile.
@@rickblaine9670 The novel is probably what Lucas imagined the film looking like. Lol
Well put.
Noticed a typo in the title, it should be:
"The Senate's Art of Camp (And How it Saved the Prequels)"
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Loose Tube the funniest part is that I genuinely read Palpatine instead of the Senate in this comment.
George Lucas is clearly a student of history. Palpatine seems to be a well put together combination of Hitler, Stalin, Julius Caesar, Caesar Augustus, Caligula and Diocletian. George also seems to have mirrored historical events when writing about Palpatines plans, for example, Order 66 is an obvious copy of the Night of the Long Knives.
This is very effective, as it makes the events in an otherwise unrealistic fantasy land seem very plausible. The fans who criticised the prequels obviously knew Fuck all about the world around them to not see that
He's his own character. Maneuvering for decades in the background in order to take power
@@stevencoardvenice Julius Caesar literally did that
@@Jim54_ cesar was way more flamboyant and direct
Hey say what you will about the necessity of Rogue One but it was still better than the other three of the latest films (7, 8 & 9) ESPECIALLY 8.
I agree Rogue One was a great movie
Interesting that the character we were all supposed to hate (palpatine) is loved, and the character we were supposed to love (jar-jar) is hated
Balance in all things
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
Ironic
And here we thought it was Anakin to bring balance to the Fore. . . but it was Palpy and Jar-Jar. . .
Who'd'a ever thunk it?
It’s like poetry. It rhymes.
What if Jarjar is a hidden secret Sith apprentice to Darth Plagueis.
I felt like in the fight with Yoda, Sidious was leting his emotions free to harness the full power of the dark side of the force, to help him fight such a powerful oponent.
Not to mention that he had to hide his true nature for *years.*
At long last he could finally break his charade and show himself as he really was.
Yoda does not fuck around, and Palpatine rightfully feared him.
menecross I think Yoda wins in a fair fight
@Sez B That's the downside of the sith. They get high off their own power.
@@MattyMadderzz yes the ground was against Yoda in the chamber.
Yet could Yoda have killed the other masters as quick in the office? Maybe same speed not faster
Palpatine was a master as well.
“Living deliciously” I gotta use that phrase in my life more
Palpatine used a force ability known as force scream, which amplified his abilities while momentarily throwing off the Jedi's connection to the force. Doing so allowed Palpatine to kill Agen Kolar and Saessee Tiin before they could react to him.
Yeah, but I think the scream improvised to ham the scene, the lore only added afterwards. Like mace windu's purple lightsaber only because samuel l jackson wanted purple lightsaber and count dooku's curved lightsaber handle because it suits christopher lee fencing style
Ian McDiarmid was trained in English drama school, and one of the things they always try to impress upon you, according to someone I know who goes to one, is that your character should always, in every scene, be acting to pursue a goal - Actioning. That qualify is what makes palpatine stand out in the prequels.
Sammy Martin Makes sense. All the other actors are just kind of standing there stoically
That's all acting schools, good ones anyway, no matter the nationality.
That's not really why he stood out. He stood out because of his sheer commitment to it. He wasn't blocked by "this is bad dialogue" in his head like some of the other actors in the Prequels. He was completely free and in the moment.
JJ Abrams: So, for this scene I need you to
Ian McDiarmid: Do my own thing, got you.
JJ: Um... no... rather I
Ian: I think I know my character well enough to portray him as I see fit.
JJ: Yes, but we need you to act differe *Starts choking*... ugh...ack...
Ian: I'm sorry... did the others not tell you? *Lowers hand*
JJ: *gasping* You do you... got it...
Mark Hamill: Yeah, surprised me too to find out he was an actual Sith Lord.
Nuvakwahu I needed this.
ROFL That is awesome!!
This is exactly how Mark Hamill would react too. Lmao
Looks like a fanfic that needs to be written.
in my head I played this scene out robot chicken style
It always struck me that behind Ewan McGragors eyes all the way through the prequels, there was a small child going 'I'm in a Star Wars Movie!'
Palpatine is the “Good luck I’m behind 7,000 skeletons” meme in human form
*full fat videos uploads*
Me: A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
Every time I see another part of palpatine's plan click in to place i just see palpatine in a dark room, smiling, saying to himself suckerss.
Hayden's best moments are when there's no dialogue and we just look at his facial acting
Well now we've probably all seen RoS, we can safely say the Ian mcDiarmid chewed the scenery masterfully! Rey and Ben certainly had their powerful moments together, but while Ian was on screen, it was all about Palpy! :D
Nope, the plot was awful so even his acting couldn't save it
Palpatine's Smile is basically: "Ladies and Gentlemen.....We Got Em!!"
"Everyone loves Palpatine, even if they hated the prequels. He's just too awesome a character"
Disney: "Hold my beer"
"Oh fuck no one likes our new charactersbl, quick! Palpatine will work!"
Man this hit my feels
@@endorneyodera4366 Audience: hated TLJ
Disney : I'll try Palatine, that's a good trick!
Conor Corrigan Came from the future to tell you Disney did just that.
Caleb Mol By making Rey his granddaughter.
12:44 Woah there. Not wanting to kill a friend, no matter how far they've fallen, is not cowardice. But it does have far-reaching consequences that could have been largely avoided had he finished the job.
I love the prequels, even with their flaws
Full Fat Videos, we shall watch your career with great interest.
TopHatProductions smiles in Anakin
Ian McDiarmid always looked like he was having the time of his life during the prequels. Leave it to the Sith Lord of absolute evil to make everything more fun
I love the content! On one point: I never saw Obi Wan's decision to not kill his friend as cowardliness... Rather weakness born of compassion and dogma.
I think Anikin called it himself when he killed General Trench... "I don't have such weaknesses"...
Keep the content coming! :)
Palatine is the most patient person in fictional and non fictional history!
Always love hearing positive Star Wars content.
positive star wars content is all we have plans for atm - and oh boy, is a lot of it coming your way
@@FullFatVideos Hell yeah, love what you have been doing and can't wait for more.
It's a rare sight nowadays
The amount of negative Star Wars content I’ve had to hide off my UA-cam is ridiculous. I understand some people didn’t like TLJ but it was 2 years ago get over it and stop writing off Episode 9 before you’ve even seen it. I love and hate this fandom sometimes 😂
@@jk196115 Why watch episode 9 when everybody's dead?
Agree! McDiarmid truly is essential to the saga's success! It's funny to see how his announced return for Episode 9 almost INSTANTLY erased all the skepticism generated by The Last Jedi. The character who, more than anyone, wants hate and distrust to prevail, is now the one who brought harmony back to the fandom.
Ironic :)
Him coming back really didn't erase any criticism of TLJ. It just gave some people hope for the final movie.
It just shows how nervous Disney is ... throwing all the references to better works into their new movies
Yeah but it didn't save episode 9 from anything. Palpatines inclusion is just desperation from Disney as damage control from how bad episode 8 was. And if what I read is right, this new one could be worse than last jedi which is saying something.
Ninja Crew No doubt about that. I was just noting how much the character is loved by the fans.
@@rickblaine9670 yeah it's quite sad how Disney fucked up this bad when it comes to star wars. I love palpatine and his actor but he won't save this new movie.
"I shouldn't say it" "do it" "I shouldn't" "do it" that was hilarious