So what I gather from this video is that Byf has been a speaker this whole time. His moniker “this is my interpretation”. Once again thank you Speaker Byf 10 years of gold.
How am i supposed to shoot enemies with my trusty hand cannon if im blocked by a turret? I can heal after the fight, after iv been rezzed, when healing wont be necessary lol
You know, i had an epiphany. We have heard the Traveler's voice because every Ghost is a very literal part of the Traveler. Maybe it's trying to figure out what it should or wants to be, by being paired with a Lightbearer and growing with them. An exploration of possibilities all in parallel while still aiding humanity and the rest of the universe in the only way it can. At the very least, the dream that references a voice caught in a throat to me seems like a reference to Ghosts (Light cradled in glass and wire).
I really like this theory. However every ghost has a different voice. We have Nolanbot where Cayde had sundance Osiris had Sagira. Zavala had targe. They all had different voices
@@theNoviceGuardian As someone with D.I.D., sometimes I, apparently, speak in a different voice depending on who's fronting. The Traveler just has D.I.D., obviously.
I don't know how well this translates to canon, but in the D2 reveal event trailer, when we see Zavala get raised for his first time, he makes his way to the refugee camp forming below the Traveler, and we can clearly see _A_ speaker preaching to the masses, wearing the same Speaker mask as in D1/Red War. So either our Speaker was _SUPER_ old for a non-guardian, or the one speaking in that lore entry wasn't the same as ours.
we aren't sure how long people live at the moment I think. We know that during the golden age people could live like 2 or 3 times their base lifespan so like 2-3 hundredish years. we also don't know how long the previous speaker waited to teach the person in question. I also don't know if we know for sure how much time has passed since the city was built either though that might be something I just haven't heard yet.
I wish Bill Nighy would have returned for The Final Shape... Imagine the insight from the mini-Travelers coming from a voice like the one from Forsaken (but with mostly The Speakers voice)
Hours I've wandered the Pale Heart, Being told that I am Chosen by my sidearm. However like my mask, it does not give me the sight to see what must be heard.
Ergo Sum would be a good pairing of weapons to listen to the Traveler like Nezarecs whisper My warlocks Speaker Sight build makes use of scarlet semblance as a shader to make my warlock look kinda like Dante from Dante’s Inferno Xbox game based on the book of the same name.
Speakers Sight is my favorite exotic. I LOVE playing the support role and constantly spamming ability. Ohh and also the sound the healing grenade makes when it hits the ground is SOOO SATISFYING 😶🌫️
The only bad thing is that you can heal their body, but not their brain because I swear that as soon as there is a healing turret down, people go full monkey mode and bumrush the nearest enemy and die. I always say: “I can heal you but I can’t heal stupidity”
You and Martin really picked the best tracks for this video; the Hope and its Excerpts, Eighth, Tranquility. As always, great synopsis and fantastic scoring.
Honestly kind of hoped we would have gotten something similar to lightfall, when we were waiting for root to drop and we could decipher the whispers by wearing things tied to nezarec. Would have been cool to have heard something while wearing the speakers helm, probably not voice lines ofcourse but maybe wave lengths/noises that could be in one way or another deciphered to contain words? So that we dont put a voice to the traveler but still get to hear words from it, maybe we get whale noises like it does but layered in on the sound is a message, it would be a WILDLY convoluted way to send a message, and most people would complain that they put story beats in a sound thats undecipherable without looking at the wave itself but it would be cool eitherway.
Not sure if this is grasping at straws, but I'd like to think part of the first dream might be a small reference to Riis? I remembered one of Variks' idle lines on Europa mentions how Eliksni buildings were tall enough to reach a 'forest green sky'. A part of me would like to think Dreams 1-5 are the Traveler sharing its fondest memories of the places it touched; because by Dream 6 onward, the narrator says "NOW I dream only omens" , implying that everything before may not have been prophetic warnings. They also don't come to the narrator in any particular order either, and it's only when they wake up do the dreams feel like an organized sequence that need to be understood in a specific order, like a timeline. Again, just rambling my own thoughts but thanks for another banger vid! I came to really appreciate the lore more thanks to you, they've made late night studying bearable
Ooh i like that. Riis gets mentioned a few times in the pale heart. Micah says she'd love to have seen it. So they definitely havent forgotten about it. Maybe if we ever leave sol, we'll go back to torobatl and riis. What remains of them anyways
I completed the campaign solo on Legend early in the morning, after the initial server issues at launch were resolved, and choosing Speaker's Sight as my Exotic reward... it felt like a big moment.
The Speaker is a strange character. According to Alpha Testers of D1, Joseph Staten envisioned the Speaker as a secret bad guy, like a Covenant-style Prophet of Truth, with Osiris basically being the Arbiter. This story was removed and in Destiny 1 final release, the Speaker was told to be a Guardian. A Warlock, in fact. In D1 you can see a Ghost by his side at all times. In D2 this was retconned and he was just a random Lightless dude with a “ghost friend” he also basically revealed that the Cult of Osiris’s skepticism of him was not misplaced: “Ghaul…I Speak for the Traveler…I never said it spoke to me.” Now this has been retconned too, and it turns out the Speaker did indeed have the Speaker talk to him, it was just due to his mask and still very rarely. I think Misraaks should become the New Speaker. The Traveler is literally giving him clearer visions with no special mask needed. This could solidify the alliance between House of Light and Guardians, and to make him a more messianic figure among Eliksni, i think he should gain Neomuna Quicksilver Nanite Augmentations. A literal Tech-Priest. A unifying force for Eliksni and Humanity.
@@GhostRydr1172 it was said previous speakers were guardians and some were once warlocks. Our speaker however was never really confirmed to be a guardian during D1
@masterofthelyokianmonsters2886 no previous Speaker has ever been confirmed to be a Lightbearer AFAIK. They're special individuals that could hear the Traveler. Ghosts flock to them as part of that connection, but that doesn't mean they were all Lightbearers.
I love some of the recent final shape content! you said prophecy in this video a lot and that reminded me of something. Is there a connection between the Prophecy Dungeon and the Final Shape? If there is, I would love to see a video on it!
just thought of this, but the traveller merging with the darkness is bringing it back to its former self when it was connected to the veil. I don't know if it fully remembers everything, but its interesting to see those lost memories.
Hey Byf! I've been a fan for about a year now. I was wondering if you've been noticing the Extracted Data Queries in the Enigma Protocol? I believe there might be lore behind each one, but I'm confident you'd be able to put it together. Keep up the work!
my guardian can hear the traveler. with out the helmet. I been asking other players if they are hearing it nobody else I asked could hear it. sometimes it gets so loud that it is unbelievable that nobody is hearing the noise. my guardian is actually a speaker then.
Finally get the mask to drop and the first thing we hear from the traveler -- "So we've been trying to reach you about your sparrows extended warranty..."
I interpreted the spears motif as a defensive version of sword logic. Be surround by spears or using one is a defense and offensive weapon. Maybe spears being brought up are represented of guardian's being spears. Weapons of both protect and attack. Idk
that day break line witht he constilations disapearing is talking about how we the guardians wont get to see daybreak (a galaxy at peace) and that when daybreak does come there wont be any of us left cause thats our part to play in the story
The narrator is not the Speaker, it is Savathun; read the second to last sentence and you'll notice a certain calling card in it. It can only be viewed in-game since other sites correct grammatical errors.
@@TheCBoysDotCom There's a usage of that weird double-spaced typo that appears from time to time in lore entries and the usage of such is associated with Savathun even more so now given that it also appeared in Martian Missives, a lorebook that was written BY Savathun, so I'm just putting two and two together.
Perhaps Clovis' dream, in a way, shows that the traveler thinks exos are an abomination, as the traveler values life so much and exos could be considered false life
So with us haveing the travellers perspective with ergo sum i immediately knew it was the traveller showing us how it perceives us and how the wolf can be safe but once doubt and death has happened she is unsure of anything but the rest is like a dream of a vison
On the last dream, about a heart in a ribcage, unable to speak? I have a theory. Bungie, as some of us may remember, long ago, would feature D1 in 2014, with a short animatic. It featured the trio of astronauts, that have become very familiar to us now, and a pale, glowing woman, with long, flowing hair, and a dress as pale as she. What if, this is what the Gardner, looks like? Maybe we will meet such a figure in the future. If the Traveler is something of rather a shell, or domain in which she lives, perhaps whatever damage her vessel suffered, in the Collapse, and recently in Final Shape, has greatly lessened her means to speak to people clearly. Perhaps the Guardians, and even those lightless, like Osiris, she would be able to commune with. But with recent events, and the Collapse, she cannot. Perhaps she is sending us visions to help us. Maybe after the Traveler is healed, the Garnder may be able to communicate clearly with us again. But I don't see her healing any time soon.
I always believe that the Speaker that we meet in Vanilla D1 and who died in the Red War was one of the three astronauts on mars on the Ares One mission. Particularly Jacob Hardy.
So, Clovis Bray of all people had the chance to be The Speaker, but it rejected that by essentially being savage towards the wolf cubs. Also, if Destiny Universe had being real, Byf would definitely be chosen as a Speaker by the Traveller.
it'd be really cool if like Nezarecs sin it changed the strange wails you can hear the traveler make in parts of the story and finishing overthrow parts but I guess nezarecs sin is a pretty special case anyway
A thought. In the lore about the ghosts being created it talks about giving parts of itself up…that light is inside guardians…could the “rib cage” be the bodies of guardians
Really off topic from the video but in the new strike for final shape, after the first room with the statue, when you see the hive ships flying overhead . On the giant hand a figure appears on it then disappears
I thought a lot about this and i came to the conclusion that the dreams described in the helmets lore is our history: It starts with the Traveler, "a star hung low in the sky"... "a weary wolf with kind eyes , a mother with pups behind her". As the days pass, "I dream of sunset, over and over", humanity faces the Dark Age. But we survive and wake with peace and the rising Sun. Then he dreams of other speakers, but as every one of them fall and he is the last one he dreams of complete ruin. The Traveler tried telling him the future, but couldn't, because it wasn't sure which side would win, The Light or The Dark. "It is nothing but smoke." (And it turns out neither, because our guardian transcends as the line between Light and Dark cease to exist). Then he dreams of the Tree of Silver Wings getting changed with darkness, and it's last light leaves drawing ruin into the river after it washes them away. And in the end the Traveler, a silent god, trapped inside a spherical shape without any other way of communicating with us. The Speaker wakes and doesn't understand the dreams "but they array themselves in an orderly fashion" as our history. Past, present and unclear future.
I read the dream of spears and immediately thought of the guardian tenant’s: devotion, bravery, sacrifice, and death. Though the order seems jumbled (Now Bravery, Devotion, Sacrifice and Death) I’m not quite sure if that carries its own meaning, the speaker simply recalled them in that order, or if the traveler is just being cryptic as per usual? -Boar hunting and defense is very easily interpreted as both evoke images of bravery: the danger that comes with spear hunting a boar and the resolve to hold in a line of spears against an enemy. -Creativity and fire were harder to pin down but it certainly feels as though they represent devotion: fire is commonly regarded in myths to be a gift from a higher being and as a reason to have faith, and as an artist I know firsthand the kind of devotion it takes to create something that you truly feel is great. -Sacrifice and martyrdom require practically no interpretation, Sacrifice is sacrifice and martyrdom almost universally comes in the form of death. However despite the simplicity of its correlation I think the use of the word martyrdom here is a key factor to this interpretation of the dream, as an act of purposeful martyrdom perfectly encapsulates the entire guardian creed, devotion to your cause gives you the bravery needed to make sacrifices which leads you to the ultimate act of martyrdom: death. Taking all of this into account I believe that the dream of spears is meant to refer to us guardians as the spears of the traveler, a theory that I feel holds more water if Byf is correct and these are the dreams of the D1 speaker. Speaking of Byf, if his interpretation of the dream of spears ( 18:43 ) is correct and this is a rebuttal to Toland, the idea that when the traveler refers to spears it’s talking about us guardians puts new meaning and intensity behind that rebuttal.
Its a shame that there arent places where we can actually hear the Traveler, much like we could hear Nez while wearing/using armor/weapons related to Nez. That would be amazing even if it were just in a few places id be ok with that.
I'm just hoping they spend the foreseeable future explaining what the traveller and the veil are to their respective gardener/winnower. Considering the last 10 years has been about how the real villain was the witness and it's misuse of darkness, I feel like making the winnower the de facto new enemy is cheap, and a little lazy.
I always imagined the collapse was decades or hundreds of years ago. If the speaker was alive just after the collapse, then surely it's more recent than I thought because I don't think the speaker was a guardian. Unless this lore tab was a different speaker
Maybe the star representing the speaker is there at twilight because the Speaker was there when we faced what was our greatest enemy at the time, Gaul and his suppressive power over the traveler. It’s not there at sunrise because the Speaker was dead by the time the conflict was over.
Correct me if im wrong.... but is the speaker the only time in the game we actually see the destiny logo? Its on his robes in those old cutscenes but i dont know if ive ever actually seen it anywhere else in game
great job with all these lore videos. i hav e also a theory for you and everyone else. a few days ago i was watching a video about the planets being swallowed by the darkness. and in 1 of your video's you where saying that data from rasputin was stolen. the data had opera and stuff in it. i think that the vex that are being let by this conductor is the same vex that stole that data from rasputin. maybe a small bit of rasputin is in this vex now and this vex could control surtain weapons that rasputin used. this is only a theory but it is one of the many things that could happen.
Not really an interpretation but a question? How does the Traveller know about and pull images or passages from lore books that we’ve read and discussed? How far of a reach into the physical does the Traveller have? How does it know to send these examples out for dreamers to experience? (examples like Clovis Bray’s Journals, Saint-14’s encounter with the old woman, Toland’s mention of the Three Queens, etc)
Again, Bungie misses the boat to do that one extra thing to make things so much cooler. When the traveler wails, we should hear it differently while wearing the mask. Just like hazardous propulsion should have had some Failsafe audio clips attached to it.
A friend and I have another interpretation about the "spears dream", and is that it could represent humanity and its history: Boar hunting and defense it's really obvious, it's the purpose we gave such a weapon in the past, for survival and protection. Creativity and fire, we think it could be about the creation of the tool (a stick, whose tip was sharpened and burned to make a spear) and how it lead to further advancements. Sacrifice and martyrdom is another easy one, and it's the symbology the weapon gained through history as a symbol of fighting, and dying, for your people (my friend also thinks it could be related to religious figures like Jesus and/or Odin)
It's crazy, you'd think out of all the classes, it would be a Warlock, not a Hunter like Micha-10, that could commune with the Traveler. It has me wondering though, will we ever really meet the supposed entity of the Traveler? The pale, glowing woman, supposedly the Gardner. We can now best tell that the Traveler does not offer answers, because the way of the Light, is for it to give us the freedom to choose our own fate. While the Winnower wishes to prove its simple logic, in survival of the fittest: that the strongest will always choose violence and chaos to sharpen themselves and the world, due to fear of annihilation. Even if she didn't say anything, but simply appeared before us to show us visons and her actions, it would be mind-blowing. I can't but think we will peel back the mysteries and nature of the Gardner and Winnower in the future.
I think it would be interesting if the current, child-like entity we know as the Traveller would be revealed to be like a Steven Universe situation, where the Gardener sacrificed themselves to give birth to a new embodiment of Light, in dedication to their philosophy of letting people grow and seek their own fate; the Gardener made a new entity to take it's place, or perhaps erased their own memories, to give themselves a chance to make their own future independent of the burden from knowing the outcome of the Flower Game and the conflict it caused
Lore gets confusing with the gardener/winnower. The traveler is more likely the light version of the knife, except a giant, literal seed of life. Theres also some entries that seem to imply the Gardener IS the winnower. Like a dual personality ying/yang.
The dream about being in the cage make me think its the traveler looking at itself. Its suck as a sheild when it wants to become more. It wants to be free to soar the cloud like a bird. I think it truly wants to become us in a sense. Free from all the burdens and able to make our own fate. Go were we want and become anything.
The traveler see itself as no god but a being just like us. So maybe the dreams are the dreams of the traveler itself. Witnessing it through its eyes in a sense.
I have worn this mask from the start of the campaign, as tribute to my preferred role as a healer. I now support my fireteam in a new manner that enables us to achieve great things. I do not abuse of it's gifts to the detriment of others, even other enemy guardians. I have worn the mask, but the Traveler remains silent to me.
"Any scholar can understand the theory, but only those who hear the music can make the Light sing." - Sunsinger's bond. Sunsingers can hear that music without the need for a mask and we can even make the Light sing 🤷
Imagine being some bandit and pillaging some rotten corpse and picking up a cool mask and suddenly you hear voices in your head
That is festival of the lost me boy 😂😂
A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON
@@belliebun4529damn it I was going to say that
@@belliebun4529 ”Listen! Hear me and Obey! A foul Darkness plagues my Pale Heart!”
Sounds like an idea to steal for my D&D game.
Don't let this lore entry distract you from the fact that Byf made his D1 Warlock look like Luke Skywalker.
No shot. You ain't kidding lol
Luke Voidwalker
That’s been a thing since the beginning iirc. He’s kinda been running a Luke Skywalker warlock for basically a decade
You spelled Tucker Carlson wrong 😂
My Titan looks very similar and has since D1
Speaker's Sight: "A NEW HAND TOUCHES THE BEACON"
@@blueveil3277 NOT MERIDIA 😭😭
A FOUL DARKNESS HAS SEEPED INTO THE TRAVELER, A DARKNESS THAT YOU WILL DESTROY
Oh my goodness
@@Spookyy24 this unironically sounds like a strike intro line lmao
WELCOME NEREVAR! TOGETHER WE SHALL SPEAK FOR THE LAW AND THE LAND, AND SHALL DRIVE THE MONGREL DOGS OF THE EMPIRE FROM MORROWIND
So what I gather from this video is that Byf has been a speaker this whole time. His moniker “this is my interpretation”. Once again thank you Speaker Byf 10 years of gold.
Speakers Sight: psst... you really pissed off that hunter when you placed that healing turret.
Doubly so as both it and the projections are physical objects and block rockets.
How am i supposed to shoot enemies with my trusty hand cannon if im blocked by a turret? I can heal after the fight, after iv been rezzed, when healing wont be necessary lol
@@aceundead4750 Who needs healing when the enemies are the HEALTH PACK
Said a devour warlock calmly
"Good"
@@cailco100 void Hunters can also have devour... Wanna go be like the Drifter and eat some Hive with me?
You know, i had an epiphany.
We have heard the Traveler's voice because every Ghost is a very literal part of the Traveler. Maybe it's trying to figure out what it should or wants to be, by being paired with a Lightbearer and growing with them.
An exploration of possibilities all in parallel while still aiding humanity and the rest of the universe in the only way it can. At the very least, the dream that references a voice caught in a throat to me seems like a reference to Ghosts (Light cradled in glass and wire).
Each ghost is a seed, and we are the leaves of a tree of silver wings...
I really like this theory. However every ghost has a different voice. We have Nolanbot where Cayde had sundance Osiris had Sagira. Zavala had targe. They all had different voices
@@theNoviceGuardian different aspects of a single personality don’t have to sound the same, just like the voices in my head.
Goofy ass ball needs to figure out what it wants to be and get a job.
@@theNoviceGuardian As someone with D.I.D., sometimes I, apparently, speak in a different voice depending on who's fronting. The Traveler just has D.I.D., obviously.
I don't know how well this translates to canon, but in the D2 reveal event trailer, when we see Zavala get raised for his first time, he makes his way to the refugee camp forming below the Traveler, and we can clearly see _A_ speaker preaching to the masses, wearing the same Speaker mask as in D1/Red War. So either our Speaker was _SUPER_ old for a non-guardian, or the one speaking in that lore entry wasn't the same as ours.
@@LifelessTooth has it ever been confirmed that the Speaker wasn’t a Guardian?
@@Aiso754 yeah he was an ordinary person. The ghost flocked around him thats why he had them but our Speaker was no Guardian.
we aren't sure how long people live at the moment I think. We know that during the golden age people could live like 2 or 3 times their base lifespan so like 2-3 hundredish years. we also don't know how long the previous speaker waited to teach the person in question. I also don't know if we know for sure how much time has passed since the city was built either though that might be something I just haven't heard yet.
@@wolffang-vz2ty Good memory! Alot of people forget that bit of lore
The speaker was a guardian
12:34
"I think I was Dreaming. The Traveller was there.
And it was so small..." -Ghost
Holy cow.
*Remembering, Ghost thought he was dead, but Sagira says he was dreaming. All the same, though
Traveler, "I would like to inform you about your car's extended warranty."
More like "I could inform you about your car's extended warranty". And then never does.
I wish Bill Nighy would have returned for The Final Shape...
Imagine the insight from the mini-Travelers coming from a voice like the one from Forsaken (but with mostly The Speakers voice)
For real! Or Peter Dinklage as a throwback would be amazing, although I swear I thought he voiced Targe at first, they kinda sound alike.
@@Kaiser8361N that was urbanak the voice of Rusty from ventures Bros
For a second there, I thought you meant bill nye the science guy.
@@Ben-M112same 😂
Hours I've wandered the Pale Heart, Being told that I am Chosen by my sidearm. However like my mask, it does not give me the sight to see what must be heard.
I love it when you guys put d1 music in the background, keep doing it
idk, this video is 10x better with the relaxing D1 music in the background.
Ergo Sum would be a good pairing of weapons to listen to the Traveler like Nezarecs whisper
My warlocks Speaker Sight build makes use of scarlet semblance as a shader to make my warlock look kinda like Dante from Dante’s Inferno Xbox game based on the book of the same name.
Great choice
Speakers Sight is my favorite exotic. I LOVE playing the support role and constantly spamming ability. Ohh and also the sound the healing grenade makes when it hits the ground is SOOO SATISFYING 😶🌫️
The feeling of bonking an almost dead teammate in the head with a healing grenade is unmatched.
The only bad thing is that you can heal their body, but not their brain because I swear that as soon as there is a healing turret down, people go full monkey mode and bumrush the nearest enemy and die. I always say: “I can heal you but I can’t heal stupidity”
You and Martin really picked the best tracks for this video; the Hope and its Excerpts, Eighth, Tranquility.
As always, great synopsis and fantastic scoring.
rip that healing nade at 8:50
Honestly kind of hoped we would have gotten something similar to lightfall, when we were waiting for root to drop and we could decipher the whispers by wearing things tied to nezarec. Would have been cool to have heard something while wearing the speakers helm, probably not voice lines ofcourse but maybe wave lengths/noises that could be in one way or another deciphered to contain words? So that we dont put a voice to the traveler but still get to hear words from it, maybe we get whale noises like it does but layered in on the sound is a message, it would be a WILDLY convoluted way to send a message, and most people would complain that they put story beats in a sound thats undecipherable without looking at the wave itself but it would be cool eitherway.
Not sure if this is grasping at straws, but I'd like to think part of the first dream might be a small reference to Riis? I remembered one of Variks' idle lines on Europa mentions how Eliksni buildings were tall enough to reach a 'forest green sky'. A part of me would like to think Dreams 1-5 are the Traveler sharing its fondest memories of the places it touched; because by Dream 6 onward, the narrator says "NOW I dream only omens" , implying that everything before may not have been prophetic warnings. They also don't come to the narrator in any particular order either, and it's only when they wake up do the dreams feel like an organized sequence that need to be understood in a specific order, like a timeline.
Again, just rambling my own thoughts but thanks for another banger vid! I came to really appreciate the lore more thanks to you, they've made late night studying bearable
Ooh i like that. Riis gets mentioned a few times in the pale heart. Micah says she'd love to have seen it. So they definitely havent forgotten about it. Maybe if we ever leave sol, we'll go back to torobatl and riis. What remains of them anyways
The traveler made me aware of my car's extended warranty
@@SmokeyOwOs ….damn it.
Ooh, Misraaks goes all splicer on the Speaker's mask and is our new Speaker
Imagine becoming a speaker and all you hear 24/7 is snoring
Byf has been the true speaker this whole time.
This might easily be one of the best Byf videos i‘ve ever watched
I can barely keep up with all the new lore videos, Byf working real hard to educate and entertain us
The sharp metal against my face and the speakers first dreams just draws more lines to a crown of thorns
I don’t play this game anymore but I still love watching these videos
S ame
Same same
You should buy the final shape and ONLY the final shape. Everything after is bullshit
Even when the game fails to entertain me, the lore is always so amazing
Clown @@Spookyy24
babe wake up new Byf video dropped
If you have the mask on you can hear hawk noises from the travelers pulses, especially in the campaign
The four tenets reminded me of the witch queens predictions, lies and truths. If after the final shape they have come to pass
Bro speaker had that drip i don't why back then i didn't realize it sooner
I love when that guitar riff hits
Do You know the name of that song? The little guitar riffs are always SO good
I completed the campaign solo on Legend early in the morning, after the initial server issues at launch were resolved, and choosing Speaker's Sight as my Exotic reward... it felt like a big moment.
The Speaker is a strange character. According to Alpha Testers of D1, Joseph Staten envisioned the Speaker as a secret bad guy, like a Covenant-style Prophet of Truth, with Osiris basically being the Arbiter.
This story was removed and in Destiny 1 final release, the Speaker was told to be a Guardian. A Warlock, in fact. In D1 you can see a Ghost by his side at all times.
In D2 this was retconned and he was just a random Lightless dude with a “ghost friend” he also basically revealed that the Cult of Osiris’s skepticism of him was not misplaced: “Ghaul…I Speak for the Traveler…I never said it spoke to me.”
Now this has been retconned too, and it turns out the Speaker did indeed have the Speaker talk to him, it was just due to his mask and still very rarely.
I think Misraaks should become the New Speaker. The Traveler is literally giving him clearer visions with no special mask needed. This could solidify the alliance between House of Light and Guardians, and to make him a more messianic figure among Eliksni, i think he should gain Neomuna Quicksilver Nanite Augmentations. A literal Tech-Priest. A unifying force for Eliksni and Humanity.
Uh, where or when was it ever stated that the D1 Speaker was a Lightbearer or specifically a Warlock?
@@GhostRydr1172 it was said previous speakers were guardians and some were once warlocks. Our speaker however was never really confirmed to be a guardian during D1
I think there could be a speaker for each chosen race. Micah-10 for humanity, Misraaks for eliksni, and Luzaku for the krill.
@masterofthelyokianmonsters2886 no previous Speaker has ever been confirmed to be a Lightbearer AFAIK. They're special individuals that could hear the Traveler. Ghosts flock to them as part of that connection, but that doesn't mean they were all Lightbearers.
Misraaks already has a buncha cool shit on his face, could be serving a similar purpose by mistake.
I love some of the recent final shape content! you said prophecy in this video a lot and that reminded me of something. Is there a connection between the Prophecy Dungeon and the Final Shape? If there is, I would love to see a video on it!
just thought of this, but the traveller merging with the darkness is bringing it back to its former self when it was connected to the veil. I don't know if it fully remembers everything, but its interesting to see those lost memories.
Speaker's sight : pssst... I see ded people 😂
Mustard on the beat ho...
LOL
*horns start playing*
@@damonm. THEY NOT LIKE US🗣️🗣️🗣️
Beat your ass and hide Traveler if the Winnower watchin’
Beat your ass and hide the traveler if the Winnower watchin’
The Traveler is telling me to go cheese the hell out of Trials
"It's speaking to me... It... It's telling me to play 50 matches of Gambit..."
The D1 idle music just hitting right now
I wish there was an interaction in the pale heart like nezarecs sin/whisper had done before root of nightmares. Wouldve made it even more fun.
A man, lost in dreams, induced by a connection to a machine.
...Where are monsters in dreams?
"I dream of sunset, over and over" god damn you, luke smith
Hey Byf! I've been a fan for about a year now. I was wondering if you've been noticing the Extracted Data Queries in the Enigma Protocol? I believe there might be lore behind each one, but I'm confident you'd be able to put it together. Keep up the work!
my guardian can hear the traveler. with out the helmet. I been asking other players if they are hearing it nobody else I asked could hear it. sometimes it gets so loud that it is unbelievable that nobody is hearing the noise. my guardian is actually a speaker then.
Finally get the mask to drop and the first thing we hear from the traveler -- "So we've been trying to reach you about your sparrows extended warranty..."
I interpreted the spears motif as a defensive version of sword logic. Be surround by spears or using one is a defense and offensive weapon. Maybe spears being brought up are represented of guardian's being spears. Weapons of both protect and attack. Idk
I mean by that logic is the same with a sword
How nice are those notes in the music at 12:56
that day break line witht he constilations disapearing is talking about how we the guardians wont get to see daybreak (a galaxy at peace) and that when daybreak does come there wont be any of us left cause thats our part to play in the story
i hope we get legendary speaker mask that look like one spreaker wear before his dead
Called speakers sight... only let's you hear the traveler and actively reduce your visibility to see the traveler.
The narrator is not the Speaker, it is Savathun; read the second to last sentence and you'll notice a certain calling card in it. It can only be viewed in-game since other sites correct grammatical errors.
What what? What’s the error that gives it away?
@@TheCBoysDotCom There's a usage of that weird double-spaced typo that appears from time to time in lore entries and the usage of such is associated with Savathun even more so now given that it also appeared in Martian Missives, a lorebook that was written BY Savathun, so I'm just putting two and two together.
@@Xinis interesting, I’ll have to look for it. Thank you guardian
I wouldn't have anybody else read my lore tabs
interesting how the masks holes resemble the double slit experiment, whereas the Nezarecs Sin helmet looks like a tuning fork.
Perhaps Clovis' dream, in a way, shows that the traveler thinks exos are an abomination, as the traveler values life so much and exos could be considered false life
i pray if they add voicelines for the traveller they are voiced by Danny DeVito
Saints dad is the speaker I just read that on a world drop😮
Speaker should have lived , his voice for soothing and he was kind
The music of the spheres!!
Thank you Byf.
Excellent video ❤️
I really want a Speaker's mask ornament. Even a cracked one maybe called Tattered Mantle.
I'm just gonna yoink it from the Speaker's corpse.
@@Opbee12
Am I really going to defile this grave for money? Of course I am!
20:49 bless you
Destiny logic the speaker has the best hearing
So with us haveing the travellers perspective with ergo sum i immediately knew it was the traveller showing us how it perceives us and how the wolf can be safe but once doubt and death has happened she is unsure of anything but the rest is like a dream of a vison
On the last dream, about a heart in a ribcage, unable to speak? I have a theory. Bungie, as some of us may remember, long ago, would feature D1 in 2014, with a short animatic. It featured the trio of astronauts, that have become very familiar to us now, and a pale, glowing woman, with long, flowing hair, and a dress as pale as she. What if, this is what the Gardner, looks like? Maybe we will meet such a figure in the future. If the Traveler is something of rather a shell, or domain in which she lives, perhaps whatever damage her vessel suffered, in the Collapse, and recently in Final Shape, has greatly lessened her means to speak to people clearly. Perhaps the Guardians, and even those lightless, like Osiris, she would be able to commune with. But with recent events, and the Collapse, she cannot. Perhaps she is sending us visions to help us. Maybe after the Traveler is healed, the Garnder may be able to communicate clearly with us again. But I don't see her healing any time soon.
I always believe that the Speaker that we meet in Vanilla D1 and who died in the Red War was one of the three astronauts on mars on the Ares One mission. Particularly Jacob Hardy.
So, Clovis Bray of all people had the chance to be The Speaker, but it rejected that by essentially being savage towards the wolf cubs.
Also, if Destiny Universe had being real, Byf would definitely be chosen as a Speaker by the Traveller.
If there is ever some sort of Destiny show or movie they should have Byf be the speaker or some important all-knowing type character.
"I dream of sunset, over and over."
Yeah that's Datto 100%
You know what, just because you said not to ask I wanna know what the mask has done to PvP these past weeks.
it'd be really cool if like Nezarecs sin it changed the strange wails you can hear the traveler make in parts of the story and finishing overthrow parts but I guess nezarecs sin is a pretty special case anyway
A thought. In the lore about the ghosts being created it talks about giving parts of itself up…that light is inside guardians…could the “rib cage” be the bodies of guardians
Really off topic from the video but in the new strike for final shape, after the first room with the statue, when you see the hive ships flying overhead . On the giant hand a figure appears on it then disappears
Traveler says: are you paying too much for your car insurance?
Greetings Byf, my name is Guardians here.
Name here. Byf my Guardians is greetings,
Guys! I didn’t even realize this, but Kelgorath is back! Evaze just did a video over him, we gotta see BYF’s reaction to him being back
I thought a lot about this and i came to the conclusion that the dreams described in the helmets lore is our history: It starts with the Traveler, "a star hung low in the sky"... "a weary wolf with kind eyes , a mother with pups behind her". As the days pass, "I dream of sunset, over and over", humanity faces the Dark Age. But we survive and wake with peace and the rising Sun. Then he dreams of other speakers, but as every one of them fall and he is the last one he dreams of complete ruin. The Traveler tried telling him the future, but couldn't, because it wasn't sure which side would win, The Light or The Dark. "It is nothing but smoke." (And it turns out neither, because our guardian transcends as the line between Light and Dark cease to exist). Then he dreams of the Tree of Silver Wings getting changed with darkness, and it's last light leaves drawing ruin into the river after it washes them away. And in the end the Traveler, a silent god, trapped inside a spherical shape without any other way of communicating with us. The Speaker wakes and doesn't understand the dreams "but they array themselves in an orderly fashion" as our history. Past, present and unclear future.
I read the dream of spears and immediately thought of the guardian tenant’s: devotion, bravery, sacrifice, and death. Though the order seems jumbled (Now Bravery, Devotion, Sacrifice and Death) I’m not quite sure if that carries its own meaning, the speaker simply recalled them in that order, or if the traveler is just being cryptic as per usual?
-Boar hunting and defense is very easily interpreted as both evoke images of bravery: the danger that comes with spear hunting a boar and the resolve to hold in a line of spears against an enemy.
-Creativity and fire were harder to pin down but it certainly feels as though they represent devotion: fire is commonly regarded in myths to be a gift from a higher being and as a reason to have faith, and as an artist I know firsthand the kind of devotion it takes to create something that you truly feel is great.
-Sacrifice and martyrdom require practically no interpretation, Sacrifice is sacrifice and martyrdom almost universally comes in the form of death.
However despite the simplicity of its correlation I think the use of the word martyrdom here is a key factor to this interpretation of the dream, as an act of purposeful martyrdom perfectly encapsulates the entire guardian creed, devotion to your cause gives you the bravery needed to make sacrifices which leads you to the ultimate act of martyrdom: death.
Taking all of this into account I believe that the dream of spears is meant to refer to us guardians as the spears of the traveler, a theory that I feel holds more water if Byf is correct and these are the dreams of the D1 speaker.
Speaking of Byf, if his interpretation of the dream of spears ( 18:43 ) is correct and this is a rebuttal to Toland, the idea that when the traveler refers to spears it’s talking about us guardians puts new meaning and intensity behind that rebuttal.
one of my favorite exotics armor pieces bY FAR
Its a shame that there arent places where we can actually hear the Traveler, much like we could hear Nez while wearing/using armor/weapons related to Nez. That would be amazing even if it were just in a few places id be ok with that.
I'm just hoping they spend the foreseeable future explaining what the traveller and the veil are to their respective gardener/winnower.
Considering the last 10 years has been about how the real villain was the witness and it's misuse of darkness, I feel like making the winnower the de facto new enemy is cheap, and a little lazy.
Also, I was secretly hoping the traveller was the secret BBG, so imagine my disappointment when the BBG was *JUST* the witness 😂
I always imagined the collapse was decades or hundreds of years ago. If the speaker was alive just after the collapse, then surely it's more recent than I thought because I don't think the speaker was a guardian. Unless this lore tab was a different speaker
Maybe the star representing the speaker is there at twilight because the Speaker was there when we faced what was our greatest enemy at the time, Gaul and his suppressive power over the traveler. It’s not there at sunrise because the Speaker was dead by the time the conflict was over.
Not going to lie the line of throwing bones made me think of a similar practice associated with voodoo where you throw chicken bones.
Hear, feel, think….
I'm still a little miffed that we didn't see a Venat type representing Gardener.
Oh well.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THISSSSS!!!!!
Traveler about to roast us and tell us to krill ourselves
So that’s what the traveler meant when it made the lucent hive
@@CheezerTheGrate badger reference spotted?
@@jardeshna that and a reference to what the speaker said to Ghaul
LMFAO now I can stop imagining the Traveler just saying the LTG rant to us.
"What are you here for? To worship me? Kill yourself."
I would love to but Bungie won't let me play as the Hive
Correct me if im wrong.... but is the speaker the only time in the game we actually see the destiny logo? Its on his robes in those old cutscenes but i dont know if ive ever actually seen it anywhere else in game
I think it appears during the Excission mission
It's the super emblem for the laser beam of light we use to unmake The Witness in Excision
I hear voices in my head, they talk to me, they understand, they talk to me.
all I hear when I wear the Speakers Sight is "you are in range of enemy artillery"
Beautiful video❤
What is that Taken looking appearance on your Guardian?
great job with all these lore videos.
i hav e also a theory for you and everyone else.
a few days ago i was watching a video about the planets being swallowed by the darkness.
and in 1 of your video's you where saying that data from rasputin was stolen.
the data had opera and stuff in it.
i think that the vex that are being let by this conductor is the same vex that stole that data from rasputin.
maybe a small bit of rasputin is in this vex now and this vex could control surtain weapons that rasputin used.
this is only a theory but it is one of the many things that could happen.
Not really an interpretation but a question?
How does the Traveller know about and pull images or passages from lore books that we’ve read and discussed? How far of a reach into the physical does the Traveller have? How does it know to send these examples out for dreamers to experience? (examples like Clovis Bray’s Journals, Saint-14’s encounter with the old woman, Toland’s mention of the Three Queens, etc)
Again, Bungie misses the boat to do that one extra thing to make things so much cooler. When the traveler wails, we should hear it differently while wearing the mask. Just like hazardous propulsion should have had some Failsafe audio clips attached to it.
A friend and I have another interpretation about the "spears dream", and is that it could represent humanity and its history:
Boar hunting and defense it's really obvious, it's the purpose we gave such a weapon in the past, for survival and protection.
Creativity and fire, we think it could be about the creation of the tool (a stick, whose tip was sharpened and burned to make a spear) and how it lead to further advancements.
Sacrifice and martyrdom is another easy one, and it's the symbology the weapon gained through history as a symbol of fighting, and dying, for your people (my friend also thinks it could be related to religious figures like Jesus and/or Odin)
It's crazy, you'd think out of all the classes, it would be a Warlock, not a Hunter like Micha-10, that could commune with the Traveler. It has me wondering though, will we ever really meet the supposed entity of the Traveler? The pale, glowing woman, supposedly the Gardner. We can now best tell that the Traveler does not offer answers, because the way of the Light, is for it to give us the freedom to choose our own fate. While the Winnower wishes to prove its simple logic, in survival of the fittest: that the strongest will always choose violence and chaos to sharpen themselves and the world, due to fear of annihilation. Even if she didn't say anything, but simply appeared before us to show us visons and her actions, it would be mind-blowing. I can't but think we will peel back the mysteries and nature of the Gardner and Winnower in the future.
I think the Winnower is just a BIG common misunderstanding about evolution XD
Winnower is sending some messages.
I think it would be interesting if the current, child-like entity we know as the Traveller would be revealed to be like a Steven Universe situation, where the Gardener sacrificed themselves to give birth to a new embodiment of Light, in dedication to their philosophy of letting people grow and seek their own fate; the Gardener made a new entity to take it's place, or perhaps erased their own memories, to give themselves a chance to make their own future independent of the burden from knowing the outcome of the Flower Game and the conflict it caused
Lore gets confusing with the gardener/winnower. The traveler is more likely the light version of the knife, except a giant, literal seed of life. Theres also some entries that seem to imply the Gardener IS the winnower. Like a dual personality ying/yang.
The dream about being in the cage make me think its the traveler looking at itself. Its suck as a sheild when it wants to become more. It wants to be free to soar the cloud like a bird. I think it truly wants to become us in a sense. Free from all the burdens and able to make our own fate. Go were we want and become anything.
The traveler see itself as no god but a being just like us. So maybe the dreams are the dreams of the traveler itself. Witnessing it through its eyes in a sense.
I think the next Speaker will be Mithrax, as he has been having visions of the Traveler
I have worn this mask from the start of the campaign, as tribute to my preferred role as a healer.
I now support my fireteam in a new manner that enables us to achieve great things.
I do not abuse of it's gifts to the detriment of others, even other enemy guardians.
I have worn the mask, but the Traveler remains silent to me.
How did you wear it before getting it. HOW.
@@Opbee12 three character's worth of prime and exotic engram focusing later...
"Any scholar can understand the theory, but only those who hear the music can make the Light sing." - Sunsinger's bond.
Sunsingers can hear that music without the need for a mask and we can even make the Light sing 🤷