Is Health At Every Size Right? Is Obesity Fine, Actually?
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I think it’s much more accurate to say you can be UNHEALTHY at every size.
Exactly!! 👏🏼👏🏼
you said it perfectly
There is a CERTIAN weight that is healthy for everyone. So, on the otherhand, so your statement is wrong.
@@ampphobia324 My point is that you can be at that weight and still be very unhealthy. 2 people at the same healthy weight, but one is sedentary and never eats any vegetables while the other has a balanced diet and exercises regularly will not be equal in health.
But you can't be healthy and fat
I am morbidly obese (310 lbs). Anyone who tells you that obesity isn’t unhealthy is an idiot. My body hurts constantly! Doing everything is hard. I used to be much much smaller and didn’t have these problems. I also have type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure now. Btw, please don’t send me dieting advice. I have a diagnosed eating disorder and anxiety disorder. I am under a doctor’s care and am currently on a diet plan made for me by a licensed dietitian. (Update: just saw the outpouring of support. Seriously, it means a lot. Really boosted my spirits! Btw. I made it through the holidays with zero cheating. Packed healthy snacks and brought them with me to events. That way I could comprise my own meals with the foods available and my healthy alternatives.)
Lots of love to you and also good luck!
Yep!
I was 220 at my max and I can tell you, I feel WAY better after I made the difficult choice to constantly eat healthier foods with better portion sizes.
I lost 30 lbs this year still have quite a few more to go.
But I am in much less pain now that I’m at a lower weight, and I don’t get winded just climbing a flight of stairs.
Good luck and good health to you!
I wish you the best!
I would advice you to go on a juice fast and -.... just kidding. Hope you feel better about yourself soon 💖
best of luck to you, i 100% relate and am about the same size as you down from ~400lbs and can tell you you'll feel better even after 10lbs down!
Being morbidly obese really is a bitch. Right there with you. Hugs.
Going from 225lbs to 200 made my sleep apnoea go away. That was cool. You know what didn't help? Getting made fun of while I was working out.
A lot of people are saying this about sleep apnea on here. I have that too and I just figured it was a side effect of having lung disease but I'm starting to wonder if it is because of a 15 pound wieght gain over the last 2 years because the timing coincides, I think I will try to loose wieght and see what happens. Thanks for sharing!
I am so sorry for that. I have an obese friend and we work out together, because she is my best friend. It is just unfair. 🙄 She is doing sth. She was also photographed or she assumed she was. Also a lot of times she is not in the mood to go out of female fitness room. It is just sad.
I genuinely dont understand why people do that. Its so counterintuitive.
I don't know what kind of gym you went to, but in my experience, there is less of this kind of nonsense when you go to 'serious' gyms like Gold's or even the Y instead of 'stylish' gyms. I feel like it's never the serious weight lifters or trainers who make fun of people - it's always the insecure dilettantes.
I hate when that happens, that's why I got really bad anxiety about going to a gym, I just try to ceep fit with other sports, where people don't stare at you.
I think what's missing around a lot of the conversations around fatness and weight is the fact that we shouldn't treat fat people as lesser then simply because of their weight. Of course being fat can be unhealthy but we shouldn't dehumanise people just because they don't fit our ideals of health. Fat people are degraded and their thoughts, experiences or perspectives are delegitimised or spoken over with the justification that their fat and unhealthy so shouldn't be taken seriously or everything would just be solved if this person lost weight
Watermelondrea Symone agreed! Also, I’ve read too many (albeit, anecdotal) stories online how fat people have been undiagnosed of serious health conditions and their concerns were dismissed with the simple solution “you need to lose weight”. People have literally died due to fat phobia and haven’t had the care they deserve. THAT’S a problem.
Watermelondrea Symone - also obesity ends up becoming the reasons for everything, when you see a doctor. That is, i go in for a stomach ache, and the doctor told me it’s related to my weight. 6 months later I had my gall bladder removed, and the doctor was like “how did they not test for this?”
I’m not saying obese is healthy, I am saying it may not be as unhealthy as we used to think. The more important factors are what you are eating, how much exercise you are getting, etc.
I know I’m not as healthy as I was when I was thinner, but I also know I’m not nearly as un healthy as some people think, since I don’t have any 2ndary issues like high blood pressure, blood sugar issues, etc. but i cant climb mountains anymore. I cant walk for an hour anymore. So yes it’s not healthy.
100x yes! I have nothing but anecdotal evidence but becoming super morbidly obese takes effort the same way becoming anorexic takes effort. I wish drs would recognize that
@@kelleyleffler501 well, as somebody who knows what it's like to binge and to restrict an extreme amount, overeating for comfort isn't nearly as emotionally taxing as feeling the pull to stop eating/eat only certain amounts. The experience of feeling lightheaded, never being able to focus, getting angry at the slightest thing, only being able to think about how you "need" to lose weight and that will make everything better, that's not as bad as just wanting a shit-ton of fries for dinner and then binging and feeling comforted and getting over it. At least most people who are obese can go about their daily life without being incapable of concentrating, and aren't irritable. I mean, my mom who has PCOS is obese but she's clearly not thinking about food 24/7. She just eats more than she should and it adds up, and her PCOS makes it worse. The only thing I like better about restricting than binging is the sick feeling of euphoria when I haven't eaten for a week and my body's legit shutting down but in my mind I "finally feel l i g h t" or some shit idk disordered brains are fucked but the point is being anorexic is worse than being obese. But it doesn't feel good to have a sort of food addiction where you can't get out of the hole of eating and eating and eating, and my eating struggles are directly related to not wanting to get there, so that's definitely something to note, I guess
@@dangernoodle9961 Sorry you are going through that. We all have our own battles, it's not a contest for who or which condition is worse. Next time you're super morbidly obese let me know how you are feeling....
There is a huge difference between loving yourself no matter your size (being body positive), and thinking you’re healthy and fine when you’re obese. Everyone should of course love themselves no matter what size they are, but that doesn’t make obesity not unhealthy.
Satsuma that’s just untrue. It’s a fact. Being obese takes a toll on your body that increases risk for disease and mortality. Any doctor or even person who knows anything about health and nutrition knows this.
Satsuma’s point, I believe, is that someone else’s health isn’t any of your business. People don’t owe you their health. And as a fat person, I’m frankly sick of people being so concerned about “my health” when I never fucking asked you.
@@inuyashaxx For me it definitely IS part of my business because we're all part of a big community. I am paying for you and you're paying for me, I am taking care of you and you're taking care of me. That's how our system works (I'm not from America btw) and I if you need help losing weight then seek for that help but don't just say "being obese is none of your business/is healthy". Eating more calories than needed also costs us more recourses, it costs us more when the obese person needs medication or even an operation and your loved ones definitely don't want you to die only because you were too stubborn to change your life.
Lina, the problem is that fatness is not like smoking. Countless scientific studies show that, among other things, weight gain and retention have genetic components, are related to gut flora, can result from mental illness, are related to poverty. They also show that, statistically, significant and sustained weight loss is very unlikely. It’s not just “put down the cake, fatty”.
@@inuyashaxx That's the thing I was talking about. If you're struggling to loose weight then get professional help but don't do nothing about it. People always should encourage other people to loose weight, they shouldn't have a "none of my business" mindset.
I've always been overweight, I've never felt full and I had a binge eating disorder. But I got the help I needed and I'm not overweight anymore because I starting talking about my problems and I really wanted to solve these problems.
being obese is not healthy but people should never, never be shamed for it. how do people think people will get healthier if they feel embarrassed to talk about it? i should also say that we should make it more known that there are many factors behind it, like mental problems, family, etc.
But definitely not encouraged or praised either...
@@movement2contact yes, just not othered
@@movement2contact
Is that even _a thing_ * ?
I've only seen shamers deliberately or unintentionally overlooking nuance - that it's about empowerment to not feel ashamed. To dress and feel confident and beautiful,
for mental health and persuing goals in life, instead of obsessing over weight...
That's hard when everyone is only seeing your weight and feels like they should "inform you" about how you look, and how it's not healthy...
And fat people are praised when they do so, became it's going against the societal pressure to feel guilty and ashamed, and seen as lazy, etc.
* sure, some people like that exist, given the world's population, it's inevitable
but my impression is that it's not a thing worth worrying - it's just a strawmen bullies make, as they don't want to stop bullying
@@aleka.. Absolutely. This is a common talking point in, typically, radical SJW/radical feminist/reactionary communities.
In America, the view is definitely not mainstream, nor is it common in most communities nor SJW/left-wing communities. The focus is typically on "body positivity" -- that everyone should be able to love themselves regardless of what they look like. Does that mean buying into a delusion that you're healthy regardless of weight? No, of course not. The vast majority of these communities realize and understand that Obesity is unhealthy and is not something we should be praising/promoting.
I don't understand your "X view doesn't have enough people; therefore, it's not wroth worrying" point. Are you trying to make an argument? And, if you are, could you rephrase it please?
It's not a strawman when the argument they're attacking is precisely what the other person is arguing. Like I said previously, there are communities that encourage and promote obesity. It wouldn't be a strawman, if they attacked the arguments from those groups.
If someone believes that encouraging people to love themselves = encouraging/promoting obesity? 100% agree. Body positivity =/= encouraging/promoting obesity, that's a strawman.
@@aleka.. Heck, there are people in this very comment section claiming that! Claiming that obesity for some people can be healthy. They use the same line of reasoning a smoker can when they say "I smoke and I'm healthy! For some people, it's not unhealthy!" while ignoring the increased risk factors associated with that lifestyle. Yes, smokers can be healthy, but is smoking healthy for you? No. Same with obesity.
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I am 5’5 and my max weight last year was 220 lbs.
I had more than 33% body fat.
Anyone who says “health at every size” is either lying or is painfully delusional.
My knees were in pain and I didn’t even realize it until I lost 30 lbs and found that they didn’t hurt anymore.
My blood pressure was obscene.
I had a job where I’d get in 10,000 steps a day (Fitbit told me lol) yet I STILL had trouble getting my heart rate up with physical activity.
Climbing the stairs to my apartment ALWAYS left me breathing hard.
I think a better moment is “Value at Every Size” or “Human at Every Size.”
That can help people to see that they are worthy of love and health without selling them the blatant lie that they can be 400lbs and still be healthy.
That’s my two cents.
We of course should advocate for healthy portions, healthier diets, and some exercise.
I recommend prioritizing food health over exercise, though they are both important.
I lost the 30lbs without working out like at all. I changed my portion sizes, spread out my calories throughout the day, and just ate less sugary/salty processed foods. That’s it.
I’ve only recently started exercising and now I feel MUCH better in addition to losing more of my excess fat.
They’re both important.
MartianBlues I like that “value at every size” or “human at size”. It perfectly sums up my feelings.
"“Value at Every Size” or “Human at Every Size.”" Both of these are awesome and it would be cool if people honoured them.
Congratulations.
I'm only 5'0 and I've always been always been 118-125 range, and one doctor (not my usual pediatrician) told me I was overweight or pushing. I wasn't struggling with phyiscal activity at all, I was very active and eating right (for the most part). The thing that weighted me down was my body muscle, which I have been a gymnast most my life, so of course I had a lot of muscle and my actual pediatrician understood this. My point is that weight and what you read on a scale is only part of the story. It can't actually tell you that you are and aren't healthy. 120lbs of body fat and 120lbs of muscle mass look completely different yet some people are shocked when I tell them I'm 5 feet tall, 120 lbs and then they see me in person and realize I'm not that big (weigh appearance wise). There are just so many factors.
I completely agree with you! Although there's one aspect of "Health At Every Size" I still like, which is the idea that you can't tell how healthy a person is just based on their weight and physical appearance. For instance, many people assume that someone who's obese MUST be diabetic and have heart problems, or a very thin person MUST be anorexic and weak, neither of which are true.
As a fat person myself in treatment to achieve a healthy lifestyle, I feel like there is a lot of stigma around people in larger bodies portraying us as lazy or stupid without even considering that there are many complex factors that may lead a person to gain weight. I am receiving not only guidance to learn how to eat and exercise, but also psychological support.
I wish people would actually change the conversation from "is obesity healthy?" to "obese people deserve to be treated with the same dignity as thin people".
That is the aim of HAES. This video is a misrepresentation.
@@staceyowenswellness Wouldn't they call themselves "dignity at every size" instead of "health at every size" if that were their focus? They use the word "health" because they are trying to say that obesity is as healthy as having a lower BMI, so there is no need to work towards a lower BMI. I would fully support DignityAES. As it is, their message is misleading and potentially dangerous, and I can't support that.
@@hawleyolsen170 no actually. It's about promoting health behaviours without an emphasis on weightloss because 95% of intentional weightloss fails and the weight is gained back, typically plus more, within 5 years. Dieting contributes to weight cycling which may be more detrimental to health outcomes than being at a higher weight is without repeated dieting. There is far more to it than a comment on UA-cam can convey and this video is a gross misrepresentation of both intuitive eating and HAES. I work in eating disorder recovery and I have been researching and studying these subjects for 4 years and I am still learning.
@@staceyowenswellness Looked further into HAES. I am impressed with their mission to help people do healthy things for health's sake. I think that's fantastic. The main point on which I differ is that I think it's not always disordered to have weight loss as a goal, and it's not right to tell people there is no such thing as healthy weight loss. I'd be interested in your opinion about those statements.
Nice to see someone else in the comments who understands HAES. I'm hopeful that the next video will address the fact that HAES isn't claiming that being obese has no correlation with poor health. It is fat activists who are claiming this, and misquoting HAES to back it up. I feel this video is really replying to their claims rather than HAES's.
Nurse here, with an opinion 😬
BMI determined obesity can be wrong. I’ve seen very healthy, muscular people with a BMI that indicates obesity. I, personally have been smaller and less healthy than I was at a higher weight.
However, I’ve seen what fat looks like around organs on a CT scan (it actually triggered me to lose weight because it was such a visual thing - on someone who didn’t look that unhealthy or overweight). Excess adipose tissue, fatty liver - there are dangers there. And carrying weight around your abdomen is particularly risky.
Obesity defined by BMI isn’t a good indicator. Honestly, measurements of % body fat, actual waist measurements & so on can be good indicators of health and how obesity should be determined.
I agree, but no one should be using BMI for athletic people or children in the first place.
u can't tell me that a person with a BMI of 70 is healthy, even if just somehow just muscle
Yeah. I have a 26 inch waist but I am very muscular and my bmi is in the overweight category. But I think these deviations mean that a person is JUST over the line into overweight or obese category like me and other athletes. It's really rare to have a BMI climbing into the 40's and not be overweight. Also, bodyfat isn't that difficult to see, muscle is not either.
Brooklyn's Baby a BMI of 70 is WELLLLLL into morbid obesity category - like off the charts. So they’d fail other measures, too.
Actually there is still a lot of negative health outcomes associated with a high BMI even when the extra weight is lean muscle mass. The body's organs and joints were only meant to support so much tissue; if you go beyond that, it puts a lot of strain on your body.
If someone who's overweight starts eating healthy and working out for the sake of health, I think that's better for the mind and also easier to stick to than doing it to be thinner. We should love our bodies as they are while also doing what we can to keep them working well and healthy.
Edit: also does anyone remember when nike came out with plus size workout clothes and people were talking shit?? Like, society wants fat people to get thinner but doesnt want them to go to the gym? Backwards ass people.
I'm trying to lost weight rn, I found when I feel good about myself the way I look I make healthier choices about the food I eat I feel motivated to work lose weight not to look better but to feel better but when I go on reddit (remember r/fatpeoplehate?) I lost all motivation cuz reddit hates fat people
This is exactly what I"ve experienced.
I've been overweight during my whole life and I did manage to lose the weight some times, usually by doing an absurd amount of exercise.
I was never able to keep that weight out, because life would get in the way of 3 hours of daily exercise.
And I wouldn't even make consistent progress in said sports, because I was over training, not dedicating myself enough, as I saw it as an obligation and not eating properly
Last year was the first time I've ever started to exercise because I wanted to get stronger. I decided that I wanted to be able to do a pull up, so I've started to exercise and work towards it, eventually I realized that pulling yourself up is quite hard if you have 30 Kg of extra weight and started to care for my calories.
Eventually I also realized that it's hard to get stronger if you don't give your body enough proteins, and that it's hard to have good workouts if you don't eat your carbs
Last month I finally did my first pull up, it took me 8 months, now I want to get to 10 pull ups hahahah
@@isabellehonorato7442 You can eat lean proteins such as chicken fish and beans also nuts. Eating Sweet potato is good for the bowels and carbs are good in moderation I lost a ton of weight. I have had weight problems as a youth.
I don't know what makes me madder - skinny women trying to tell me, a fat woman, that wanting to lose weight and to exercise is all toxic diet culture and that fat people can be so helathy and fit, so much healthier than themselves (insert holier than thou musings on thin privilege), or obese people peddling the lie of health at every size and that obesity is just a harmless body shape variation
Both drive me up the fucking wall
I'm thin but honestly in your position I think I'd resent the thin people more. They're not talking from a place of personal struggle and they have no non-artificial reason to be sympathetic; they're just using that rhetoric to be morally masturbatory and condescending. For obese people, there's at least understandable human motivation behind it; it's either pushback against perceiving society will never accept you, denial out of fear, etc.
Ir all comes to the same point: don’t fucking shame other people’s choices over their body. If you are obese and want to lose weight it’s only your choice (and if anyone should intervene it’s only if you are harming yourself to do so), and if you don’t, it’s your choice too. But don’t tell others what’s best for them. No matter your size, no matter if you Match the size of the other person.
JUST LEAVE THEM ALONE IN THEIR JOURNEY.
I’m healthy weight and I find the thinner people to be toxic. I get why any obese person would want to feel good about themselves and how that could fuel the delusion, but these skinny/fit people are just of full of shit. They monitor what they eat and exercise when they’re not in the mood, yet they’re comfortable jumping on a trend that supports the opposite for popularity at the expense of people who are struggling. It’s like GTFO bitch.
@@decapitated1991 really? There are thin people that use to be fat.....
I posted a comment already, but I think HAES should be about trying to be the healthiest you can be, regardless of your size. For most people, dramatic weight loss (ie the amount of weight most morbidly obese need to lose) is basically impossible. So I think it should be about eating intuitively, exercise most days and having a healthy relationship w food. And if you’re still obese, you’re doing all you can. 🤷🏻♀️ That’s how i approach it now. I have PCOS and take meds that, together, make it impossible for me to lose weight. The only way for me to lose weight is to eat less than 1000 calories a day. That’s starving myself and unsustainable. So I’m gonna do the things and whatever size I am, that’s it. ☺️
But I totally feel you on your initial comment. It’s such a loaded issue.
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I wish it was "people keep their noses out of my weight at any size". I'm sick of people commenting on my body whether I'm a BMI of 18, 23 or 28. Its no-ones business.
Yes NO one should be mean about another's weight BUT its not healthy to be under or overweight. Diseases don't care about your feelings.
@@Aceofwolves Lots of bodybuilders are overweight and perfectly healthy 🥰🥰
@@tomjones2157 comparing a body builder who has obvious muscles to someone who is obese and obviously has more adipose tissue than muscle seems ridiculous. Obviously a body builder is healthier than someone who.doesn't work out so not sure what The point was...
This is the main problem I had with Abbey Sharp
She is very against people trying to lose weight even on their doctor's advice.
My athsma gets much worse when I'm heavier (not even obese, just about BMI 27) and I mentioned this in a comment that I need to lose weight to make my life quality better, mainly through breathing and subsequently sleeping better.
She took it to mean I was using health as a guise because I wanted to look skinnier (I'm well distributed so I'm happy with how I look) and told me I needed to love myself better and accept my body for the beautiful thing it is. There's nothing beautiful about waking up every few hours because you're starved of oxygen or ending up in hospital because of a lung infection 2 to 3 times a year. I'm trying to lose weight BECAUSE I want to live in my body longer, not because I don't like it.
Sorry for the rant, this just really bothers me because I've personally experienced improvement at a lower weight and my doctor told me about this, and I stupidly trusted this person on the internet who doesn't even know and just gives out impersonal advice because they're a qualified dietician. I didn't lose weight and my athsma stayed bad and I got 2 respiratory infections in 2 months before I made an effort to start losing weight and now I don't even need my inhaler on a daily basis.
sorry to hear that, Abbey needs a reality check
There are many extreme haes dieticians that say they are against ALL intentional weight loss. It just blows my mind and they lose all credibility to me.
Didn't she do a recent video recently (HAES vs Weight Loss) where she had a bit more of a nuanced opinion than you described.
I like the last sentence of this comment quite a lot 👍🏻
Really interesting point about max BMI, I hadn't heard about that before.
I also think it's worth noting that many of the big obese HAES figureheads are quite young, in their 30s mainly. And a lot of health problems dure to lifestyle tend to catch up with you in your 40s and 50s. Just because you have perfect blood levels right now while you're over 300 pounds doesnt mean your heart and knees will be doing that great in 15 years.
That's me I'm obese and try to eat healthy and I'm not at risk for diabetes and I don't have high bad cholesterol either. While I know I can lose weight it is still good to know that I have that health on my side.
@@silvergarcia9897 I'm a little confused about how your reply relates to my comment. Im sorry if I'm reading it wrong.
When you say that you, do you mean you are young and reasonably healthy now but likely to suffer the health consequences of obesity as you get older?
My point was kind of that things like blood levels can be a deceptive indicator of long terms health. Most smokers are perfectly healthy in their 30s, but then it catches up with them. Same with excessive drinking. A young body can compensate for a lot of things in the short term.
I do wish you all the best with your health!
I'm confused as to how you posted a comment 2 days ago on a video that came out 3 hours ago 😅
@@kittenswithbows Yes! I was agreeing with you. I know my health isn't at risk now but I already have a head start on getting better with not being at risk for those diseases/disorders. Just sharing my experience :)
@@AimeeColeman I didn't even notice that until you pointed it out
I think we don't talk enough about the mental health of morbidly obese people. I think if we examine the psychology of obesity, we would find a history of trauma or mental health concerns. It takes a certain mental state to let yourself become obese, and often it is related to trauma. So for people to shame or just tell people to exercise is not getting to the route of many morbidly obese people's conditions
Or just being raised obese by obese parents. It's extremely difficult to change eating habits that you always had since childhood.
That is the case for a lot of people, but not everyone.
Sometimes, you’re just in an environment where everyone is overweight and that looks and feels normal to you.
For me, it was totally unexpected.
I was the only person in my immediate family (and one of only three people in my extended family) that was overweight.
I have a slower metabolism than some people in my family and I also prefer sugary foods where most of them prefer savory foods.
So I became obese totally by accident lmao.
It took a LONG time to figure out how to change my eating habits and get down to a healthier weight, though I still have some more to go.
One of my professors in internal medicine has stated several times “we are treating obesity as if it was a problem of the body, when it’s roots are deep in the mind”
He was the most cool dude ever, and told us that once he became more understanding with his patients, he noticed they became a lot more successful in loosing that extra weight
@Anti Christina Same with my dad as well as his ex wife. Gastric bypass straight to alcoholism. So sad.
@@irinabalduzzi3509 I totally agree. Nearly everyone who has morbid obesity is that way because they are using food as a coping strategy for unprocessed trauma and/or stress. In the same way some people gamble, do drugs, abuse their spouse/kids, drink, become workaholics, etc. Which is REALLY unhelpful when people try to shame you when you are already struggling. To TRULY get healthy (I'm not even talking physically here) one needs a LOT of self work and likely help from a therapist.
for me the problems is that a lot of people shame others when they are not even obese. Im my case i have been normal/overweight all my life but my family told me everytime that i have to lose a couple of kilos but it was really difficult for me because i started to get very anxious when i couldnt eat the same food as my family. now a days my family cannot talk about my weight becuase i forbid it and i have a vegetarian, slightly low fat and suplemented with vitamins diet and im super healthy :D thats the only thing that matter to me
We really need to focus on spreading the message that skinny isnt inherently healthy.
Though ill say society (America at least has come a long way. Ive been overweight most my life and very unapologetic about it. I wore bikinis and tight dresses and in my prime had no trouble atracting positive attention. I cant recall being shamed for except by people who wanted to get under my skin one way or another. When that did work they went to something else. It has alot to do with confidence.
Also consider you cant judge society based on what ones own family does. We are always harder or easier on our own family than we are friend and strangers. 🤷
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Being obese is never going to be healthy, no matter how much people wish it was. Like you said, if they don't have health problems now they will in the future. All that weight is hard on the body and on the heart.
Yeah it's like common sense. Your heart's a pump and it wasn't made to pump a 350 lbs ocean. Even me as a young healthy dude I'm under 200 lbs now instead of 225 at 6'1 and it's definitely healthier even tho i was just bulked up
Yes, you never see elderly moridbly obese people.
Haley
Yep.
They typically die younger or lose the weight before they reach an old age.
It’s a sad reality but it’s reality nonetheless.
I don't think many people think being obese is healthy, I don't even think majority of obese people think that way but if someone is obese then I think they are entitled to be treated like human beings and be members of society - some people think these people shouldn't function or to be seen and that's not right at all.
That actually did research on Sumo wrestlers and found them to be in the same health as lower weight men, they attribute it to very healthy eating (just large and frequent meals) and low level exercise.
this is the first time i've heard someone present this topic in a way that feels genuinely compassionate. it feels informative without being shameful and that is SO important. i believe HAES is a direct response to fatshaming and very toxic/unhealthy diet culture and i believe if we focused more on getting people healthy than getting people as thin as possible, stuff like HAES wouldn't have to exist. it's two polar opposites and we NEED to meet somewhere in the middle between attaching morality to size and not caring about our weight at all. thank you for posting this.
You are very, very likeable to me (btw ... not a vegan). I watch you for years now. I love your content for it beeing intelligent and differentiated. Smart, funny and brave enough to resist the black and white trend.
redraven I totally kind of laughed when she said that. But only because I think I might be “unlikeable” in a similar way and I think she’s great. ^_^
@@kaitlynnkenney9140 My reaction was the opposite. My jaw dropped because it's a little painful to me when highly intelligent people - especially if they are women - say things like that.
I used to be obese class 1 (34 bmi) and dieted down to underweight (17 bmi) thanks to anorexia, and I have to say, neither felt physically good. At both sizes I was really tired, when I was obese my joints and feet hurt a lot (and I was only 16-17 at the time), when I was underweight, I was always cold, sad, and bruised like a peach! I’ve maintained around a 22 bmi for a few months now, and though it’s still mentally hard for me and I see myself as being big, I’m amazed at how much my body can do for me, how much energy and vitality I have. I’m always on the fence about HAES because I know the damaging effects of diet culture, but I also know the pains of being obese... it really is about moderation and finding what’s best for you. Thanks for the vid!
Can you make a video talking about Spirulina, Maca and that type of things?
I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the point of health at any size. I think the idea is that all you can ask of people is to eat relatively "healthy" and exercise as much as they can given their schedule and abilities. If you lose weight that's great if not you are doing what you can to be healthy and you shouldn't put yourself down or obsess over the number on the scale. Weight is one of many factors for health and the stress of losing weight and the way society focuses on it may be worse for your overall health than the weight itself. I have disabilities and if I obsessed over my weight on top of the stress of being disabled I would be even more miserable and it makes my health issues flare up at a higher intensity. When I stopped focusing on my weight and appearance I did lose a small amount of weight, but honestly I just feel marginally better physically and much better mentally. I already hate my defective body I don't need to hate my appearance or attach my worth or morality to my appearance. Loving myself and feeling good is a struggle already I don't need people harping on my weight or telling me that I shouldn't enjoy some fries occasionally which is one of the few things I can enjoy given my circumstances. I can't even walk a mile without intense pain. I can't go to events or most public places because I am on immunosuppressants. I can barely travel because of the pain. I have very little left to enjoy and now people are bitching that I need to lose weight. Paying the thousands of dollars for surgery and after care for years and repeated surgeries because I can't exercise much or eat much less than the 1500-2000 calorie diet I already eat. What would you suggest I do? I came up with my plan to eat relatively healthy and exercise within my abilities. I can't do anything else. Stop asking people to do unreasonable things. Stop asking people to be miserable. Stop asking people to hate themselves and conform to a standard that is extremely difficult to obtain and sustain. Some people work 40+ hours and commute for 20 hours a week. Are they supposed to add an hour long workout and an extra hour of commuting every day? It's really easy to say do more, but it's not always possible and it may actually be worse for you.
Agree! Thank you!
You are so accurate, omg. I feel you 100%, thank you so much for saying it.
Well said, RN.
That's exactly how I understand this as well. And I am glad there are people who understand this. Though I am only a little bit overweight due to BMI standards I have lots of fat stored around the organs. I had my metabolism analysed and that is because of my genetics. I tend to reabsorb fat from the colon and store it around the organs. So you would think a low fat diet would help, but turns out that carbohydrates lead two to five times more likely to me gaining weight than for people with another genetic makeup. So I can not metabolise fat or carbohydrates well and large amounts of protein give me stomach problems. So I can only try to balance my macros to the best of my ability and exercise and hope for the best health wise. Life is not just about that and I won't make it just about that. I do what I can, but I also want to just enjoy my life.
Start intermitent fasting, it will surely help
Anyone who believes you can be healthy at any size must not have lost family members to complications completely related to obesity. My husband got to see his grandfather slowly lose more and more of his feet and legs because he had diabetes and didn’t take care of himself properly. I’ve seen a family member get heart problems that led to dementia when they were barely over 60 because of an inactive lifestyle brought about by knee issues related to obesity. All of their problems were a hundred percent preventable but they’d basically given up on life and didn’t want to do anything about them except get pain medicine. It’s not pretty and it’s really sad. There aren’t eighty year old obese people for a reason.
This. I witnessed my grandmother and mother suffer tremendously from complications related to obesity. My grandmother died at over 300 pounds having lost 2 legs (Type 2 diabetes she was diagnosed in her 30s) and with kidney failure that required dialysis in the last 2 years of her life. She would have my mother smuggle in junk food to the hospital and palliative care home. She went into a coma and died on Christmas over a decade ago. I respect people's autonomy and I agree that people should always be treated with dignity and respect; however, I cannot support HAES.
I agree that it is sad that people can be sick and die due to obesity-related issues, but what about all the people who die from other issues that are not obesity related? I think it is just not fair to pick on folks for one issue when people smoke, drink, and participate in other things that are bad for them.
Elle C it’s not “picking” on anybody when it’s a movement that’s being pushed on social media. It’s criticism. Besides, all of these issues are WAY more likely to happen if you’re overweight than if you’re at a healthy weight. Eating poorly and smoking is bad for everyone, no matter their size; but if you’re obese and doing those things to your body, it’s much more hurtful in the long run.
No, not "all" of your families problems were preventable. If they were of the perfect weight people still get sick and die. Some things are down to luck, not everything is due to weight.
HAES is about promoting healthy behaviours at any size as apposed to focusing on weight loss and numbers on a scale. You can have healthy behaviours at any size.
Obesity is not fine, it's definitely a dire health risk. Still, using the "worried about her health" excuse to hate on and discriminate against obese people is very wrong. This makes Body positivity a bit problematic: If it's about fighting against the discrimination and hate that obese people face every day, then it's a good thing. If it's about thinking that being obese is fine and healthy, then it's not. But who has the time to read about context in the internet, right?
I absolutely adore your well-considered and thought out approach to this. It always feels like people are talking past each other and never really hearing the content of the other when discussing this topic from more rigid standpoints - you've managed to reach a nuanced and integrative stance. It's honestly a joy.
Being positive doesn't mean you think that being obese is healthy. It is about not hating yourself regardless of your size. And EVERY fat person knows that obesity is unhealthy. We already know it. We just don't need people telling us every 5 minutes like we are stupid. Losing weight is hard. Most of us have lost weight more times than you can count and are experts at losing. We just suck at keeping it off. And when we decide to lose, it has to be a decision we make. Everyone has to find what works for them. I don't count any ideas out because what works for one won't work for others.
I only just started to watch the video but have a question already. I have understood that HAES would mean promoting HEALTH at any size, not necessarily that you are HEALTHY when very over/underweight?
ponksponks Yes!!! Promoting health and not weight loss. Just focusing more on promoting healthy behaviours - weight loss is not a behaviour so there’s no reason people should be prescribing it medically?? People can lose weight in very unhealthy ways, and it’s hard to stay motivated in these behaviours if your only goal is numbers on a scale. Focusing on health behaviours like sleep, movement, eating a variety of foods etc. is much more helpful and less stigmatizing.
Yes. You are correct.
I think HAES says both
You mentioned but didn't discuss the elephant in the room about weight loss - that the vast majority of people aren't able to maintain weight loss, and that one of the biggest risk factors for gaining weight is dieting and then gaining the weight back plus a few pounds. My interpretation of HAES is not that it disregards any negative health outcomes associated with being overweight, but that it acknowledges that losing weight doesn't work and often has the opposite of the desired effect (resulting in a higher bmi over the long term). Therefore, the focus shouldn't be on losing weight but in lowering your risk of various weight related illnesses in other ways eg exercise, eating vegetables, quitting smoking.
Thank you! As a former morbidly obese person this was great straight talk about it and that it is way more complex that "just diet" When you're 200 lbs over weight you don't know where to even start so why bother?
I learned about intuitive eating from a fitness youtuber, natacha oceane , and it really helped with my disordered (under)eating. I had never realized it was associated with the HAES movement, as I've always heard it from the side of people who used to heavily restrict (or track) and then relaxed to incorporate intuitive eating. I don't understand this current trend of rejecting science. Obese people deserve to be loved and respected as anyone else, and deserve to love their bodies, but obesity is dangerous alone and also contributes to other health issues and it's dangerous to pretend that it doesn't.
This is such a hard topic to talk about because all of us as humans are so different. I suffered from Orthorexia for 2+ years. I became obsessed with only perfect clean eating (WFPB vegan) and became obsessed with having a very low BMI and bodyweight. Now I am at a BMI of about 25 and my body won't accept anything less. I am living with so many health complications from losing too much weight too fast by exercising way too much and eating too low amounts of calories. I am psychologically recovered but I must eat intuitively or I risk going back to where I was before which would probably kill me. For some of us BMI has nothing to do with health. My goal is to not become obsessed with my weight and with food. The psychological aspect of weight and health cannot be left out when it comes to having these types of discussions because it plays a huge part in health too....sometimes a bit higher of a BMI is necessary. Of course, obesity is never healthy but I think HAES was meant to have a meaning that if you aren't super skinny that is okay, we are all built differently. I don't think it was meant to promote obesity in the beginning.
Carrie Domitin totally agree and can relate to your experience! Thanks for sharing!
@@cschwarz02 I am sorry to hear that you can relate but also glad to know that I am not alone in what I went through. 🙂
the idea of "health at every size" does not mean that everyone is healthy. it means that everyone is entitled to the pursuit and practice of healthy habits. there's a difference.
Thank you!!
Yes! It's based on the fact that obese people will seek medical help for a condition not related to weight and will be told to lose weight as the answer. HAES is about losing that discrimination.
This.
Yes!!! Sad to see it gets misunderstood so often!
Yes, just like the Democratic Republic of Korea, is a democracy right lol.
Actions louder than words etc
If I intuitively ate, I'd eat an entire cheesecake. It works for people with healthy eating habits or are mindful of their bodies. Most of us aren't. We have to work to get to that point. I was obese a few years ago and was fat my whole life. I decided to make a change. I lost 50+ pounds and am so close to being a healthy weight. HUGE difference in my life. I feel like this is the best video on the subject.
That's something I hear very oftenly but it's very unrealistic. Intuitive eating isn't a switch you can simple turn on, nor is it eating everything you see. Healthy eating habits are not simply given, we all have to work to establish them ♡
Agreed.
I used to eat intuitively and I weighed 220lbs at my max.
That’s because I intuitively enjoy high sugar foods.
By limiting the foods that I love (donuts, cookies, cakes, milkshakes, brownies, candy, etc) I was able to lose a lot of weight.
I also know plenty of binge eaters who binge intuitively. It’s not like they consciously choose to binge.
I’m against intuitive eating for the most part.
But I understand that everyone is different.
Totally agree, just not realistic
intuitive eating isnt just about eating what you want but also having the right kind of relationship with different kinds of food. that includes knowing that you shouldnt fear unhealthy foods, but also that eating a whole cake isnt a great thing to do for your body. i also think that if you have a sugar addiction for instance, that wouldnt count as intuitive no matter how much you crave something. its a very long road in my opinion and there are so many layers. im happy you were able to lose weight! keep up the good work!!
I like to “intuitively eat” I guess but under strict parameters still. Like, if I’m hungry between meals, it’s fruit or a handful of nuts. I cook low to no oil because that just makes me feel better when I eat personally. I avoid sweet and sugar. You can’t just “intuitively eat” whatever. My body would tell me to eat a whole bag of Oreos. She’s crazy.
When Abbey Sharp talked about this, she made a distinction between health aes and healthy. That made sense to me. Start out where you are, not protect your current state.
I was technically obese (I was right on the line b/w overweight and obese) and I lost 60 pounds. It was life-changing. I didn’t yet have any health problems associated with my weight, but even just the ability to run comfortably was phenomenal. I also just physically felt more comfortable while sitting/lying down because my fat wasn’t in the way. It’s amazing.
I typically find myself agreeing with your perspective when I watch your videos. I love how you talk about privilege in association with the vegan diet pattern and it generally seems like you do extensive research before making videos. However, as an RDN, I found many points in the video to be not well studied and problematic. HAES is founded on the idea that we cannot and should not make assumptions about people's internal health based on their body size or BMI. As you mentioned, there has been extensive research in the field of obesity. Most studies conclude an association between obesity and various "preventable" chronic diseases. It is known and accepted that "in general", obesity can act as a prerequisite to disease. HAES is not a scientific movement trying to prove that obesity is "fine". It is a human decency movement that encourages doctors and the public to look at people as individuals instead of a BMI. BMI is used widely in almost every healthcare setting in the US despite it being problematic by nature. BMI does not measure fat or excess fat as many people assume but is simply a calculation used to compare height and weight. Unfortunately, it is the cheapest and easiest measurement at this time and therefore is still used. Without a BMI calculation, obesity could not exist given that BMI is the literal only way we have to classify weight categories. HAES is basically just saying "hey, first of all, don't be an ass and discriminate or make assumptions about a person based on their body shape or size. you don't know them or their life choices". Second, it encourages medical professionals to look at true indicators of health which can typically be found from basic bloodwork and/or medical equipment. At that point, it is potentially appropriate to educate about the association between weight loss and improvements in the signs and symptoms of preventable chronic disease. But it should happen in that exact order rather than the opposite. And I do very much understand the whole concept of "well shouldn't we prevent the disease by lecturing people on how their fatness is going to give them diabetes?!? WE ARE JUST TRYING TO HELP". My answer to that is that literally, almost every human out there has already heard that crap. They know already. And that's why so many people do this yo-yo dieting crap that turns into disordered eating and orthorexia. As you know, the studies on dieting are very clear on the conclusion that they don't result in long term weight loss because they aren't sustainable. So that's where intuitive eating comes in. Intuitive eating teaches about planning and preparing for meals (weight-neutral approach), balancing your plate with the food groups (weight neutral), and tuning in to your body's cues of hunger and fullness and comfort and discomfort to essentially relearn how to eat intuitively as we likely did before culture made it so hard (weight neutral). When you start to sell intuitive eating as a means to lose weight, you turn it into a diet (which doesn't work). It is very possible that tuning into your body through intuitive eating principles could result in weight loss or weight gain, but the reason to adopt intuitive eating is not to change your weight but to restore your relationship with food. And oftentimes people do discover a set point when this is achieved. I did like the point you included about mental health and how your set point is the point at which your relationship with food does not impact your mental health and wellbeing. As we know, quality of life and overall health are influenced by immeasurable factors. As an intuitive eating and HAES advocate and as an RDN, I just want to encourage people to always look at people as individuals and not categorize or shame those with visible or measurable high body fat.
Thank you. I wish this comment was at the top so everyone could read it!
Thank you for this omg!!!!!!!!! She really missed the mark here and you hit all the reasons why.
I really wish you had a heart here and a video answer apologizing for this video but... yeah. Anyways, thank you so much for this answer, you really nailed it.
Doctors don't ONLY take BMI into account, they take in an individual's bodyfat percentage too, which is the most important factor. Remember the saying "too much of a good thing is a bad thing"? Yh, that happens with fat too. You can have a healthy amount of fat because as humans we NEED fat to survive, but having too much of it is bad for your overall well being. Also, don't forget that being obese costs medical companies BILLIONS, that money could have gone to cancer research or other medical researches. It isn't "doctors discriminating someone based from their BMI" it's doctors looking at a person OVERALL and seeing how healthy they are. BMI does not work for athletes/bodybuilders which is why most say it's flawed, but for an average person it does indeed work.
@@chazking8137 wow someone has had some awfully good luck finding proper doctors!
Thank you for this, Swayze. At 5’2 and 140 lbs, discovering that I was technically overweight was shocking. I became obsessed with my weight just to lose 5 lbs to fall back into the “normal” category. You’ve helped me realize that if I’m happy and healthy at this weight, there is no reason why I should have to obsess over one silly BMI point.
If you are ever looking for video ideas...I think you reacting to vintage diet ads would be funny. There is one from the 20s for tape worms. Early 7up ads show mom's giving the soda to babies. There is a Gerber baby food marketed towards adult women trying to "reduce."
Love this idea!
Laura Uwharrie I once saw one from when CokaCola still had speed in it and it was being advertised to housewives with the claim that it would keep their waists thin and help them get more things done in the day... I wonder why 😂😂
You adjusted the frame for folks who read the subtitles! You rock! Thank you!!
This is hands down THE BEST video about this issue I've seen so far.
You express ideas in such a clear way and it shows that you made a careful examination of the cientific literature.🙂
My understanding of HAES was never “being obese has zero health effects” or “you should never lose weight” or anything like that. My understanding is that it’s about shifting the focus away from just the numbers on the scale to an overall picture of health, of promoting people being as healthy as they can be at any size. So either this video is misrepresenting HAES or HAES itself has changed. Which is it?
This video is misinterpreting it. As a fat person who eats a healthy diet and works out almost every day, it's infuriating that no matter what I do people will never believe I am healthy just because I'm fat. It's genetics! Most of my family is fat! Even bulimia didn't help me lose weight! HAES and getting out of the mindset that skinny is the goal was so important to me *actually* becoming a healthier person. Idk why I'm like this! I started eating a better diet and working out a lot more and I actually gained weight! You cannot judge someone's health by looking at them. You just can't.
Charlie LaRee you’re eating too much. Eating healthy isn’t automatically going to make you lose weight... sure, you might have a harder time losing weight than some but claiming you’re incapable of losing weight is bullshit
@@elizabethsmith9624 LOL. You have no idea how much I eat. I don't count calories anymore because I'm in recovery from an eating disorder, but I can tell you that I eat less than my thin partner. Not that it's any of your business. Making comments like this, especially without being asked to, is super shitty and uncool.
The majority of people who are into HAES are really aware that weight has consequences. Well, certainly you never have heard that before in the media or in your life I suppose ... Sarcasm, sorry. But if diets were the solution, we all would be fit and healthy - and I wonder why something like the Biggest-Looser-Study or even studies who are looking at diets in a longer term - five, six years - are showing us: Most people are getting their weight back, some are even more obese than before. Something isn't working and it's not the people - it's the system.
BUT - and this is the but - if you are shifting the focus from weightloss to health, than you can work out some routines, that are perfect for you and you will stick with the habits. HAES is of course pro movement, but if you are uncomfortable with the gym - because of bad memories and not so nice teachers in you past - you can walk, jog, ride a bicycle ... But you are doing it, because it feels good for you. Not because you had to run the extra mile because of those lovely cookies you had.
And - I think this is video should have dived deeper into Intuitive Eating and HAES: Both are preferring a gentle nutrition. And that's a nutrition that feed you needs. Both books are also speaking about vegetables, about eating habits and what you can do to make your eating better. But not because you are on a diet. That's a part, that never comes to life, I don't know why. Perhaps that You-can-eat-anything-Principle seems to confuse people ...
I think it's HAES that has changed unfortunately. I watched some of the interviews obesetobeast is doing on his channel with people who were in the HAES community and many of them felt afraid of telling people that they wanted to lose weight (even when they suffer health consequences from obesity). Or they ignored their own struggles like being in pain or being out of breath a lot because the community reassured them that it's not from the excess weight. Online communities really bring out the worst/most extreme views in a community. Just look at the vegan community where you get attacked when you disagree with certain vegans or you're called a meat industry shill when you say eating only whole foods isn't perfect and you need some supplements or fortified processed foods.
Intuitive eating and healthy at any size are not the same. If a doctor tells an obese person “don’t worry, you can be healthy at any size” I would find another doctor, one who can read clinical research papers and make scientific decisions to prolong people’s lives, not make them feel warm and fuzzy about their obesity.
Just Mom Living I don’t think focusing on other, stronger, indicators of health over just weight is being “warm and fuzzy” about obesity. It’s about not ignoring actual, better, indicators of issues or health due to weight bias.
Annessa Lewis it’s not just the number. Circumference of your stomach, and the type of fat you carry, visceral be subcutaneous fat, etc....these factor have been associated with higher incidence and risk of high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, kidney disease, high cholesterol, hormone function, etc.
The posture issue can also be caused by having larger boobs fyi :(. I have been working on my posture lately and have found my back and shoulder pain improved once I decreased my screen time as well as started wearing more supportive bras. I think having larger boobs kinda makes us naturally more inclined to slump forward.
True, I have double Fs and I'm an average height so I slump a lot. Improving posture not only helps with back and shoulder pain but ive found that it helps me breathe a lot more deeply and clearer (if that makes sense??)
True.
I’m an E cup and I slouch like a mf 😕
Try racer back bras! Totally game changer. Some bras encourage slouching.
Fighting the algorithm one good faith encouragement at a time! Keep up the awesome work-you are appreciated!
oh maaan i get so worked up around this kinda stuff. it is SO damn important for fat people to feel respected and for them to love themselves. Your value as a human does not change with your weight. about three years back i was 20kg overweight, been fat my entire life. i had to figure out for myself that i WAS worth it. if i had liked myself a bit more sooner, i i hadnt been put down my entire childhood for my weight, made to feel like i was disgusting for being overweight, I would have had the confidence to get healthier a long time ago, instead I struggled with depression and some pretty extreme body hate for 10 years, until i was old enough to find self help resources online.
Great last two videos. I really respect you for opening up like that.
congrats on the 250k!!! I started watching you when I was 15 or 16 years old, and now I'm a whopping 21. Proud for you
you are a very smart, likable person... one that i most look forward to viewing and learning from on youtube.
I think this is a very nuanced conversation because I think the path to health is not linear and different philosophies may work better or worse at different times in your life. For several years to lose 75 pounds I (unhealthfully) ate 900-1200 calories a day and absolutely hated myself (gender dysphoria was tightly intertwined with it). When I started working full time I experienced massive weight creep and I felt I had no choice but to just let go, eat whatever I wanted, toss my scale, and allow the weight gain to happen until I could look at my body and lifestyle logically enough to lose and maintain weight more realistically. This helped me untangle my hatred of fatness with my gender problems a lot more. I am hoping to start a more reasonable diet plan soon that will perhaps make me lose weight much slower but will make me feel better and eventually plateau somewhere relatively healthy. Carrying around extra weight isn't fun but I feel like what I'm trying to say is a lot of times you have to meet someone where they are at. For some people, HAES may be meeting someone where they are at. For others, encouraging someone to stop beating themselves up and accept the gain is happening is meeting them where they are at. Diet and diet philosophy is never a one size fits all.
However there is also no denying that capitalism has preyed on people so badly that only doing intuitive eating to lose weight just does not work, especially for anyone with limited money. Intuitive eating often means throwing food away because American portion sizes even at home are so fucked which makes me uncomfortable. Food is also designed to be addictive; intuitively eating Doritos really isn't intuitive.
Definitely agree with you here. I do think some HAES proponents do take it to an extreme, but I think their overall message is just meant to redirect health concerns from *focusing* on weight to focusing on health measures that are much more reliable. And I do think they make a lot of valid criticisms of the BMI scale, as there are healthy and unhealthy people in most categories. Even if some of their advocates are taking extreme positions, I think there's definitely value in their message. It's still by far a minority, and every fat person is still going to hear that they need to lose weight a dozen times a day every day of their life, it's not like that's ever going to stop. Maybe the HAES perspective is just refreshing and more helpful for some people, particularly people prone to disordered eating behaviors.
You are super likable to me. Rational, honest, scientific and a independent thinker 👍🏼
I think you're likable! And getting that many subscribers in any amount of time means you're doing something valuable for a lot of people. Congrats and please keep going
Congrats on 250,000 subscribers! I love your channel and enjoy your quirky goofy sense of humor. You don’t give yourself enough credit.
Congrats on 250k!! I love you and your channel! You go girl! 🤘xx
I just got your shirt and I love it, it looks perfect! I love you channel it helped me become fully vegan. Love from Andorra!!
Just discovered you... This is really fascinating and well-researched.
Can't wait for the next video! I personally stopped dieting and stressing about food and lost 20 pounds.. I am quite small so that was quite significant. I still have a healthy bmi (about 20) and it is effortless to maintain. Screw diets!
Your way of approaching topics is digestible for far more people than "already converted", as I already saw many comments from us nonvegans. I think we all need to think about food more. In different ways and for different reasons, but I am so glad I have quality info from vegan side and it's thanks to you! :)
Its somewhat ironic but I think intuitive eating is still trying to tackle obesity just in a careful way so as to not accidentally induce eating disorders.
MY intuition says: "eat sweet fruits, with a small dose of nuts and seeds".
@@TheWorldTeacher I've read the IE books and I believe most people misinterpret what IE is based on what a few skinny blonde YTbers were raving about in the past. The book focuses more on developing a healthy relationship with food as opposed to only eating the things you crave and ignoring sound nutritional advice. It's more about getting rid of the guilt and shame that comes with occasionally eating "bad" food so that you can live a more balanced life. It is a great starting place for people who have eating disorders or unhealthy relationships with food.
For ex. In the past I would celebrate the winter holidays with a mindset of restriction. I'd promise myself I would follow w/e fad diet I was doing at the time and I would inevitably fail. After failing, I would feel terrible about myself and binge on the leftovers for the next week. Then I'd start the cycle over the next week promising myself that I would stick to whatever new diet plan I found once the new year rolled around. This year, I allowed myself to eat a Christmas meal without guilt. I did eat over my calories, but it was nowhere near what I would have eaten in years prior. I didn't eat to the point of bursting and didn't even get the classic "food coma". Today. I am back to tracking and feeling no guilt or shame over it.
I don't use IE everyday because it is not a weight loss program. I have very specific goals and I don't think I'd reach them in the amount of time I want if I just stuck with IE. That being said, I have learned a lot of positive coping mechanisms from IE and it is a powerful starting place for a lot of people who have issue surrounding food.
I say all of this only to say that IE is not just "eating what you feel like." It is about changing how you feel and react to when you eat what you like.
Yess, at my ED peak it would be terrible for me to read anything that talks about obesity as something that could happen if I "loose control"
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🐟 30. FOOD & DIET:
Foods in the mode of purity promote good physical and mental health.
Such foods include (above all) fruits, vegetables, nuts, pulses, grains, roots, flowers, seeds, tubers, bulbs, herbs, fungi, and of course purified water (or milk, in the case of infants).
To be included in this classification, the food must be LIVING, that is, fresh and raw (or at most, steamed or lightly sautéed, if one is residing in a cold clime). Most all animals subsist on living foodstuffs, so to be considered healthy, the food must be both living and natural. As with all herbivorous mammals, humans who consume a pure diet normally experience a bowel movement after each meal.
Foods in the mode of passion promote indigestion and overly-excite the mind.
Such foods are basically the same as above but with excessive amounts of oil, spices, sweeteners, salt and/or other condiments added. Most drugs, such as caffeine, alcohol, black tea, and narcotics (though hardly food), fall into this category.
To be included in this category, the VEGETARIAN* foods may be properly cooked.
Foods in the mode of darkness cannot rightly be called food at all, and invariably cause either constipation or diarrhoea.
Such offal is putrid, decayed, carcinogenic, overcooked, burnt, or the remnants of another’s meal. Again, to be included in this classification, the food is to be of wholly PLANT origin.
It is an undeniable scientific fact that humans are a HERBIVOROUS species. There is not a single aspect of human psychology or physiology which even suggests that we were designed or evolved to feed on animals. Animal consumption is only lawful if there is a scarcity of (actual) food. However, to be fair, some races have adapted reasonably well to an omnivorous diet due to residing in regions of the earth where edible vegetation has been scarce, for millennia before the twentieth century. But even then, those races have been found to improve their health when their diet had been enriched with vegetation.
Milk is intended solely for consumption by infants of the SAME species. Cow’s milk is for baby cows, not adult humans. The logic is overwhelming, but unfortunately, not all persons are capable of reaching such a base level of logic to understand that it is unnatural for a human to suckle on the teats of a cow or goat.
Unnecessarily killing and/or consuming animals is an ABOMINABLE action. It is not natural for humans to put dead animals like sheep, cows, goats, rabbits, chicken and fish inside their mouths. Sheep and cows are food for carnivorous animals such as lions, tigers and wolves, and fish is food for marine and semi-aquatic species. Do humans live in the ocean? Of course not! Then why is it necessary for us to go into the water to find our food? Is that sensible? Not at all, unless, as previously mentioned, one is afflicted with true hunger.
“And God said, ‘Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.’”
Genesis 1:29.
“Let food be thy medicine,
and let medicine be thy food.”
Hippocrates,
Father of modern medicine.
N. B. "Vegetarian" is used LITERALLY here, that is, 'one who subsists on vegetation'. One who consumes vegetation and dairy and/or eggs is properly called a "lacto-vegetarian" or a "lacto-ovo vegetarian", as the case may be. The term "vegan" is not directly related to diet, but to the philosophy of unnecessarily harming animal life.
Intuitive eating was taught and recommended to me while in treatment for an eating disorder
I'm not surprised you're growing. You're real and relatable
I love your videos. You've taught me a lot about nutrition, veganism, and health. I'm not vegan and don't plan to eat vegan but one of your videos was recommended to me recently and I've binged a lot of them since. Thank you for what you do.
I think your videos are very relaxing, you have a wonderful vocal tone. I’m not vegan but I watch every upload lol 🤷🏻♀️
I really enjoyed this video. I've been reading about intuitive eating and a lot of it resonates with me, but I also found it important to try and seek out some more critical sources because I could tell that some people in that field have gone quite far with the idea that every weight can be healthy. I think a balanced approach to the Health At Every Size idea (i.e. the idea that at every size, healthy behaviour should be encouraged without a focus on weight or weight loss) could be very good for a lot of people and could maybe help neutralise some of the really toxic diet culture ideas that a lot of us have internalised. At the same time, I don't think it does people favours to pretend that clinical obesity doesn't correlate with decreased health. It's possible to both stop focusing on weight loss as a goal in itself and also acknowledge that certain ranges of weight will likely impact a person's health positively. So thanks for this video, it kind of put into perspective for me how I want to approach eating more intuitively myself and how I want to talk and think about this idea.
I think you're likable! And I have really enjoyed this series!
You could do a video on Stephanie's Buttermore "All in" approach as a part of intuitive eating series. It's basically letting yourselfd go through refeeding and extreme hunger after being in caloric deficit for years. I'm actually very interested in her resaults.
I love your channel, keep it up! :)
I absolutely loved your bit about balancing mental health with physical health. I am 5'5 and weigh 136-138 pounds. This is what I believe is my set point weight. I have weighed less but it is a lot harder for me to maintain. Thanks for making this !
Same I'm 5' 7" and around 170. When I was 130 lbs and working out a lot I was miserable and also in the throws of SEVERE depression. Now I have treated my depression somewhat (it never is cured) and I gained weight back and I'm much happier.
Oh the posture! My job is a lot of repetitive movements and after about 9 months I started having clunky collar bones. I bought one of those supports to help pull shoulders back, it worked but more as a reminder to use back muscles instead of just pectoral chest muscles. Lots of stretching and more focus on full upper body movement has been a game changer.
Abby Sharp recently did a video on the difference between HAES and Intuitive Eating.
Personally, intuitive eating is what helped me overcome my eating disorder. It may not be for everyone, but I’m definitely going to keep listening to my RD over others.
You're very likeable!
You're genuine and educational and you apply the same amount of scrutiny to you and your ideologies as to anything/-one else
What you lack is the Instagram aesthetic and I feel like that might partially be why you don't have as many subscribers as you deserve 🤷♀️
I find this topic very interesting, thank you for talking about it
Love your videos and I really appreciate this take so here is a comment to boost the algorithm
I'm not vegan, but I'm trying to improve my diet, so I really appreciate your analyses of various diet-related topics. Congrats on 250K!
I like you and this channel because you're not preachy at all!
Some of the vegan channels on here are honestly like if you eat meat you're a terrible human, for someone trying to cut down if you're a terrible person for eating more than fruits I'm just not gonna listen
So it's great to see you just advocate for it and kinda recommend it or be like yeah this is a nice meal option and I'm like ah ok so this is the kinda thing I can make etc
It's rly nice to be able to not just feel guilty when someone advocates for veganism
agreed with everything you said. i strongly believe that intuitive eating works for everyone EVENTUALLY. if "intuitive eating" results in obesity or severe underweight, then some recalibration needs to happen to have a healthy and balanced intuitive diet.
Mariam Diallo yes 👏🏼
Thank you for all of this info!!!!!
Congratulations on subs! You are awesome
*Health* at every size isn't the same as *healthy* at every size and I wish people both for and against HAES would remember this.
Eat a balanced diet, exercise a few times a week, sleep well at night, reduce stress, stay hydrated, and don't fat shame people. It's that simple.
I am morbidly obese and I really appreciate your view on this, thankyou swayze.
Curious to here the last segment because maybe I missed it and I feel like it was hinted at but I think the key thing missing is that often physical and psychological health are intertwined because pressure to lose weight can cause disordered habits which will have physical impact on the body. Another big point I think you may have not touched on (yet) is the idea that newer studies suggest that the constant weight fluctuations in chronic dieters may be worse on the body than maintaining a higher weight. Overall I agree with the points you made and it’s good to hear your thoughts on this as someone who is really getting into intuitive eating. Thanks!
Intuition is something you gain with a combination of experience and education IMO. (An experienced nurse might intuitively know what their patient needs for example.) Even then all these sweet/salty foods overide our common sense sometimes. Basically it's just another thing that works for some but probably not most.
Laura Uwharrie I totally agree. For me, when I intuitively eat, I eat almost no vegetables. I love fruit so I eat a bunch of that but I mostly “intuitively” choose to eat junk. Even though that’s not what is best for my body. That’s how I know that the whole intuitive eating thing is bullshit, as human brains are wired to love things such as sugar.
@@jessijessjess Agree. I never "intuitively" feel I have had enough sugar until I'm well into the overdose zone and physically ill. It tastes good, therefore I want more.
Hawley Olsen I’m that way with sugar as well. And only sugar lol not salty or fatty things. I swear I could “intuitively” eat pounds of chocolate, vegan ice cream, cereal, etc. everyday if I let myself!
I'm glad you said that thing about how losing just 10% can do really good things. My dad, who is now 75 and has worked out 6 days a week for 40 years just had to stop permanently because of a broken back so he gained some wieght and actually went pre diabetic. His doc told him, and he was all "its ok I'm gonna die soon anyway" and they were like your heart is probably gonna last till you are 95 do you want to be legless at 95? and he dropped 30 pounds in like 6 weeks, he is no longer pre diabetic, his insurance is happy, his doctor is happy, my mom is happy and jealous.
I'm not vegan and I'm subscribed to you and have been following you for years, you're very likeable to me!
I think we are just learning that there's a larger range for what is healthy for someone's height based on so many genetic and lifestyle factors. Some people are very healthy and comfortable being thinner than others, but obviously there's a point where you are unhealthy in both directions. But maybe within that range the indicators of health are things like visceral fat, blood pressure, etc instead of 10-15 pounds in either direction.
Actually I am not subscribed to pick up limes but have been subscribed to you for a long time and watch pretty much every video you upload. Don't be so hard on yourself!
I think there's a lot of people who support health at every size who equate health with being 'fit' only. Like they workout and have endurance when they do so it doesn't matter what weight they are. But health is a lot more than this and you can't deny the science that shows the increased health risk of various conditions.
I do agree though that we should not focus on weight alone as an indicator of health. At my thinnest I was extremely unhealthy both physically and mentally for example. But also people whose natural body weight is within the normal bmi range (like myself) are less likely to eat healthily or exercise regularly because they can 'get away' with not doing it. Or it's hard to see the point of doing these things when we live in a society so obsessed with weight when doing these things does not impact on that particular persons weight. I guess it's finding some kind of balance; weight (or waist circumference) is important in determining health and health risks but there are lots of other important factors too.
With the new year and veganuary approaching quickly, I imagine there is going to be many people/families who give a plant-based diet a shot. I would love to see a video about how to properly transition toddlers/kids, what Toddler and Baby eat, or what parents should consider when it comes to making sure their children are getting receiving adequate nutrition on a vegan diet. ❤️
I've struggled with body image my entire life, been underweight, struggled with my relationship with food thinking being small would make me happier. Yoga helped me a lot.. I'm learning to be nice to myself, eat foods that fuel me, and not care so much about a number. Healthy body, healthy mind. 🙏🏼💕🌤🌈
Inspiration 💜.. I have PCOS which a hormonal disorder. I eat a decent diet as healthy as I can..but weight loss is hard bc of the unpredictability of the disorder. I've done so much damage to my body bc if how I've felt and struggled with my body. Yoga is awesome.. I'd rather do what is possible for my health than obsessing over the scale. The paradox at it's best lol.
I'm proud you're at a better place 💜
Would you consider doing an analysis of Stephanie Buttermore’s What I Eat in a Day bingeing videos? She has a PhD and talks a lot about hypothalamic amenorrhea & “going all-in.” I’m curious to know your thoughts on these topics.
For upper back/shoulder/neck strain i found rolling up a towel long ways then laying on the floor with it down my spine with the top end sitting just where my neck joins my toros and pushing my shoulders back into the floor a great way to release the tension. I also switched my mouse to my non dominant hand to stop myself from slouching over.
Intuitive eating chanhed my life and helped me heal a toxic eating disorder over 3 years ago. So grateful, I highly recommend Geneen Roth's books
THANKFULLY and FINALLY someone with a rational opinion on this whole intuitive eating and HAES issue. It is so annoying to hear these naive statements about intuitive eating all over again. All the assumptions could work in natural environment, but not when we are confronted with processed foods designed to make us crave more than we need. The reality is, even slim people put some intentional and "non-intuitive" effort to staying healthy and not gain weight. Unfortunately, the risk facts of being overweight/obese are so clear that denying them would be like denying the Earth is round. I think it has to do with the increased rate of eating disorders when the idea of being healthily lean twists into being extremely malnourished. But becoming overweight obese brings actually the same risks as being underweight...
I love that you use logic when making this video
For recovery from eating disorders I started following body positive folks. And I absolutely agree that you shouldn't hate yourself wherever you are and you shouldn't put up with mockery. However, when people say it's okay to eat food in a way that is harming your body, I disagree. I started following this advice and it was not good for me
So, to improve my health I decided to lose some weight. I have done this by stopping binge eating and cutting out excessive fats and sugar and incorporating more veg and protein. After losing about 7 lb I am already having measurable health benefits. Some neuropathy I was developing has gone away and my acid reflux has diminished plus I have more energy.
Certainly all of these effects aren't just from losing weight but putting more nutrient-rich food in my body. But, the weight loss is certainly helping me. I have multiple injuries including a sprained ankle that do much better when I am trimmer.
I’d love to see a video where you revisit this topic after having learned what HAES means. I’m grateful for some of the comments that took the time to further explain HAES and access to healthcare. I feel like your audience would be super receptive to continuing the conversation and it would help fight weight stigma, especially with vegans. (P.S. if you’re a fat person reading this you’re awesome!)
An important note for everyone is it's not called HealthY at Every Size. It's Health at Every Size. That is an important distinction and I encourage anyone that truly wants to understand to do their own research. Christy Harrisons Food Psych Podcast is a great place to start. She interviews academics, clinicians, activists and more on these subjects. It's a great place to learn about the research out there and a true representation of these frameworks.
My experience: Been obese/overweight my whole life (def at least overweight as child, not sure how obesity is measured in children.) Was fairly fit before sustaining an injury, and the problems that led on from that. Definitely exacerbated by the extra strain on my body. Would I be healthier at a regular bmi? Yes, but only because of the work I took to get there. (As I commented on a previous video) mental illness makes eating patterns irregular, which will not change at any weight, but within that I think I'm keeping everything reasonably balanced. Similar with exercise: working with professionals to increase my exercise again without hurting myself. So far so good.
Edit: I have previously seen a dietitian and have lost weight before. Exercise wasn't changed much at that time. Still carrying on lessons from those visits, so hoping that I can work back to how I was exercising previously and start losing weight again. Also, if you're seen to be actively losing weight it makes going through life easier (less crap from medical professionals, and society in general.) Even more important to me to have less weight on my back and joints now that I have just turned 30, to protect myself for later just in case I run into injuries/serious injuries later, in terms of recovery and maintaining independence.
Agree with this video EXCEPT when you said you aren’t likable! You might not be for everyone, but literally no one is, and I personally love how rational you are about veganism and reasons to decrease meat consumption. I’ve been able to go & stay vegan for almost a year now largely because of you :) you’re wonderful ❤️
I've been around the block with weight and health, and now eat intuitively (with some parameters). I used to weigh around 95kg but it was probably higher because I stopped weighing myself from the shame. Now I'm down to ~70kg, I'm also 6ft tall so my bmi is a very healthy 21. I used to struggle with disordered eating/body dysmorphia until I became vegan and learned how to eat properly. My weight used to jump around but now I've been at the same weight for around 2 years with minimal flux that's usually due to holidays or times of high stress. I don't calorie count anymore, I don't binge anymore, I afford myself the occasional treat day and generally don't feel like I have to worry about food like I used to. It takes a LOT of time to get to this point though, and you really gotta do your research and learn the basics before jumping in.
I don't intuitively eat junk food. That's the number 1 thing I think people don't understand about intuitive eating. You have to learn how to make balanced and healthy meals with high protein and plenty of fiber. After eating that for like a month, your body adjusts to actually getting the nutrition it needs. You have to be willing to cut out all foods that are in the high saturated fat/salt/sugar triad. This means no more potato chips, chocolate, donuts, candy or anything else that can be labelled junk. Once you stop eating it your taste-buds will naturally adjust and you stop wanting it. It takes some willpower though! Now I can have a small portion of those foods a few times a week and that feels like enough - the mindless shoveling cupcakes into my mouth stops when I'm already full from having a nice filling meal and getting enough protein.
I also found exercising regularly actually does help moderate food intake. If you're regularly getting exercise then your calorie needs will go up, but weirdly enough you just don't feel like eating super huge portions or eating until you're comatose. I'm talking like 60 mins per day, so a 30 min workout and a 30 min walk every day. Maybe it's the stress reduction, maybe it's something else, but if I'm sitting around all day I am way more likely to snack.
As an intuitive eater (currently, my channel is full of old footage before IT so dont judge me on that lol!!) I have found that my weight at first did increase by about 5 kg. Most likely because I came from slimming world prior to that and couldn't get enough of the foods you had to restrict on that. But now after about a year that 5kg out of no where just dropped off. I think for me the most important thing is self love, the argument of health and weight is one thing but actually the ability to obtain that is effected heavily by diet culture and weight stigma. Now that I have accepted my body for exactly how it is I don't fight with it, in the the past gaining weight would have drove me crazy. I would have been on a crash diet and hitting the gym hard. Which would have definitely lead to weight loss short term but long term weight gain. Self love and body positivity allowed me to accept weight gain happens and just let my body do its thing, which clearly it did!