Really outstanding David. Some of this comparison reminds me of the days of Drupal vs Joomla. Generate is more flexible but more work and planning, like Drupal. Kadence is more pre-built but with constraints like Joomla. Maybe Stackable is the option that is like Wordpress in this analogy due to the community focus. Sort of. Either way it's a great discussion. Thanks again.
Hi David, I watch all of your videos with interest, I think you are an extremely fair person when you are talking about the different plugins and themes, And I feel you give a non-bias approach to each item you talk about. Consistently interesting! With regards John
Loved the comparison between GenerateBlocks and Kadence dealing with the task of the author field. Also the grouping of the Kadence Blocks was helpful. You should send that to the company. You are taking these comparisons a step further which adds to the appeal
Great video. Just to add regarding your comment how "I do not want to stop to create the composite block" ...this is why you have the Local Patterns in GB. You building your stuff at the moment you are building the design. Later when you are making your content, you have, what is basically a UI kit ... and everything goes super fast.
@@DavidMcCan Yep. I am too. Also I might add. As time is goind I have started to realise my initial idea for even entering the visual building tools at all, which was to build sites faster, is working. Building sites with GP/GB is very fast. The fact you have so simple tools with not many options, means you learn it all by heart fast. And you know each blocks ins and outs. As a result, I built two, not complex but pretty non-standard designed custom themes, in 8 days. Both. This was impossible with underscores, wprig etc.
You are doing some great work here including other videos. One area I was confused was the edge to Generate Press for utilizing Full Site Editing. Kadence has its own Theme editor that is way ahead of WordPress FSE. Of course, you need to use a Kadence Theme. Thanks so much for these videos!
Hello@@DavidMcCan, i have to choose between Stackable / Kadence / Spectra to make a template for 5 e-commerce website. What is your point on this 3 and why? Thanks
Wow, that was a great comparison, thanks! I'm constantly watching the market, although I already used / tried Oxygen, Bricks, the new Pinegrow WP plugin, Cwicly, Greenshift and a few individual blocks. I must admit that One-Fits-All I have not found yet. There are new CSS commands and possibilities month after month and it's just hard to map them in a suitable way via a UI - often I would find a direct input of css with autocomplete much more efficient and faster.
Hey, really impressive stack you have there. Of all the ones you've tested, which is your favourite or go-to tool when looking for ease and 'simplicity' ?
@@rodlivz I would say it depends on how much control you want and how well you understand CSS. With Cwicly, Oxygen and Bricks you can basically implement everything. Of those, I find Bricks the most intuitive and it's getting more and more important as a page builder. Currently I'm trying Gutenberg FSE and it's definitely not enough for me for more complex pages. It is also not very intuitive (for me) and there are too many automatisms under the hood. But for Blogs and non perfect sites a good choice. I extend Gutenberg Blocks with my own CSS (SASS) that I integrate via WPCodeBox. You can still build complex websites via a classic WordPress theme in combination with Gutenberg (without FSE), but it's a more tedious and slower process.
Brilliant, thanks for the succinct answer. Been wondering whether to make the switch from traditional website builders to Gutenberg however I'm torn between Stackable, Greenshift and Spectra. Any advice on these?
@@rodlivz Have tried Stackable and GreenShift but no clear favorite. In GreenShift you can now set a lot, but take a look at the UI yourself, whether it is not too crowded for you. Both have advantages and disadvantages, in the end it's always a question of how much you want to achieve with how much effort. I would also look at the community and support - and also how quickly bugs are fixed.
Hello David, who is the best block for e-commerce shop? I have difficulty to understand the term of FSE? What does that mean exactly compared to Kadence?
Great vid. thanks! What do you think about using Generatepress/Generateblocks Pro and ALSO use Kadence blocks for when needed. Will this give to much bloat, slow loading or other problems?
I'm sure people do it. Sometimes the blocks from one collection don't work in the container from another collection, so I'd watch out for that. I guess the only real issue is if you change your mind later the more 3rd party blocks you use the more work to switch.
Thank you for answer I have one more question. Is it okay to use the block add-on when writing blog posts? I wonder if it can only be used as a page builder or can be used as a blog post as well.
Are you sure about the Meta Box integration in Stackable? The website lists only ACF and Toolset. Generate Blocks might not have a dedicated integration with Meta Box, but I was able to select basic custom fields, which are also supported in the WordPress core.
Yes, they announced it about a week ago. wpstackable.com/blog/stackable-integrates-with-meta-box/ Most text / simple fields work, but I figure that I'd like my choice to be officially supported in case I run into any issues.
With page builders? No. You could use the pro page builder for creating the theme templates and pages and Gutenberg for post content. I wouldn't put blocks from one Gutenberg addon in the container block of another Gutenberg addon.
So I can pay around the same price for blocks as divi? There must be an advantage to using blocks even though it seems to be more work. Is the performance much better?
Yes, more light weight and performant. Divi has a lot of design features going for it. It is generally harder to achieve those with blocks, so the choice may depend somewhat on your audience, client, and skills.
Can you create please comparison between seedprod and elementor? It looks like almost same product with same features and very similar layout. Thanks 🙏
@@DavidMcCan it wasn't playing on mobile but worked on desktop. Great video. Here's the irony I'm about to so a presentation for a WordPress BlackPress and WordPress Social Learning group via Meetup and my topic is wireframes and advanced blocks where I'm going to demonstrate Kadence. However due to the WordPress rules I have to recommend 2 - 3 other alts. I chose Generateblocks, Stackable and Spectra. I've already created comparison charts, etc. So this is even more helpful. I'm going to mention you in the presentation if I utilize any of your perspective or observations. Btw this is Maestro Stevens and I love your tutorials. They inspire me and give me great insight.
These are all block-based. These are all simpler options. Bricks has many more features and is more powerful, but you wouldn't use Bricks to create blog posts.
Five stars
I would love to upvote this video twice...!!
Really outstanding David.
Some of this comparison reminds me of the days of Drupal vs Joomla. Generate is more flexible but more work and planning, like Drupal. Kadence is more pre-built but with constraints like Joomla.
Maybe Stackable is the option that is like Wordpress in this analogy due to the community focus. Sort of. Either way it's a great discussion. Thanks again.
How new is Stackable?
Thank You very much! Yours compare is the Best on UA-cam!
Wow! Excellent work. Way to hit a homerun, David. Thank you for creating this comparison video and posting it for the community.
Thank you for the positive feedback.
Hi David, I watch all of your videos with interest, I think you are an extremely fair person when you are talking about the different plugins and themes, And I feel you give a non-bias approach to each item you talk about. Consistently interesting!
With regards John
Thank you for the nice comments!
Loved the comparison between GenerateBlocks and Kadence dealing with the task of the author field. Also the grouping of the Kadence Blocks was helpful. You should send that to the company. You are taking these comparisons a step further which adds to the appeal
@Ben - Thank you.
Best review comparison of WordPress stuff I've seen
Thank you
Excellent video, the bestI have seen in regards to block editor comparison.
Thank you very much. Subscribed now.
Thank you
Great video. Just to add regarding your comment how "I do not want to stop to create the composite block" ...this is why you have the Local Patterns in GB. You building your stuff at the moment you are building the design. Later when you are making your content, you have, what is basically a UI kit ... and everything goes super fast.
Yes, that is what one has to do. I'll have to try it and see how it goes.
Thank you. I'm realizing that this is a good way to go. People I know who have been experimenting with it are very happy with it.
@@DavidMcCan Yep. I am too. Also I might add. As time is goind I have started to realise my initial idea for even entering the visual building tools at all, which was to build sites faster, is working.
Building sites with GP/GB is very fast. The fact you have so simple tools with not many options, means you learn it all by heart fast. And you know each blocks ins and outs.
As a result, I built two, not complex but pretty non-standard designed custom themes, in 8 days. Both. This was impossible with underscores, wprig etc.
You are doing some great work here including other videos.
One area I was confused was the edge to Generate Press for utilizing Full Site Editing. Kadence has its own Theme editor that is way ahead of WordPress FSE. Of course, you need to use a Kadence Theme.
Thanks so much for these videos!
Yes, Kadence has a theme builder and so does GeneratePress. They are similar.
Hello@@DavidMcCan, i have to choose between Stackable / Kadence / Spectra to make a template for 5 e-commerce website. What is your point on this 3 and why? Thanks
@@ARNBNDL - If you have the full Kadence bundle it includes Kadence Shop Kit. Otherwise, Astra / Spectra has a lot of templates.
Wow, that was a great comparison, thanks! I'm constantly watching the market, although I already used / tried Oxygen, Bricks, the new Pinegrow WP plugin, Cwicly, Greenshift and a few individual blocks. I must admit that One-Fits-All I have not found yet. There are new CSS commands and possibilities month after month and it's just hard to map them in a suitable way via a UI - often I would find a direct input of css with autocomplete much more efficient and faster.
Hey, really impressive stack you have there. Of all the ones you've tested, which is your favourite or go-to tool when looking for ease and 'simplicity' ?
@@rodlivz I would say it depends on how much control you want and how well you understand CSS. With Cwicly, Oxygen and Bricks you can basically implement everything. Of those, I find Bricks the most intuitive and it's getting more and more important as a page builder. Currently I'm trying Gutenberg FSE and it's definitely not enough for me for more complex pages. It is also not very intuitive (for me) and there are too many automatisms under the hood. But for Blogs and non perfect sites a good choice. I extend Gutenberg Blocks with my own CSS (SASS) that I integrate via WPCodeBox.
You can still build complex websites via a classic WordPress theme in combination with Gutenberg (without FSE), but it's a more tedious and slower process.
Brilliant, thanks for the succinct answer. Been wondering whether to make the switch from traditional website builders to Gutenberg however I'm torn between Stackable, Greenshift and Spectra. Any advice on these?
@@rodlivz Have tried Stackable and GreenShift but no clear favorite. In GreenShift you can now set a lot, but take a look at the UI yourself, whether it is not too crowded for you. Both have advantages and disadvantages, in the end it's always a question of how much you want to achieve with how much effort. I would also look at the community and support - and also how quickly bugs are fixed.
@@jugibur2117 many thanks
Super helpful video! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Looking forward to see your thoughts on Spectra... From Astra.
I tried the beta, and did a video on it, but am really waiting for the pro version with dynamic data support and their theme template builder.
An excellent and very detailed presentation many thanks 👍
Hello David, who is the best block for e-commerce shop? I have difficulty to understand the term of FSE? What does that mean exactly compared to Kadence?
If you have the full Kadence bundle, it includes Kadence Ship Kit. FSE stands for Full Site Editor.
Great vid. thanks!
What do you think about using Generatepress/Generateblocks Pro and ALSO use Kadence blocks for when needed. Will this give to much bloat, slow loading or other problems?
I'm sure people do it. Sometimes the blocks from one collection don't work in the container from another collection, so I'd watch out for that. I guess the only real issue is if you change your mind later the more 3rd party blocks you use the more work to switch.
Thank you very much 👍 🍻
Excellent review! Are any of these compatible with the ACF repeater field?
Not as far as I know.
Thank you for answer I have one more question. Is it okay to use the block add-on when writing blog posts? I wonder if it can only be used as a page builder or can be used as a blog post as well.
Yes, absolutely.
Are you sure about the Meta Box integration in Stackable? The website lists only ACF and Toolset. Generate Blocks might not have a dedicated integration with Meta Box, but I was able to select basic custom fields, which are also supported in the WordPress core.
Yes, they announced it about a week ago. wpstackable.com/blog/stackable-integrates-with-meta-box/
Most text / simple fields work, but I figure that I'd like my choice to be officially supported in case I run into any issues.
@@DavidMcCan You are on top of this sir
Is there any compatibility problem with this Gudenberg block plugin with other builders?
With page builders? No. You could use the pro page builder for creating the theme templates and pages and Gutenberg for post content. I wouldn't put blocks from one Gutenberg addon in the container block of another Gutenberg addon.
So I can pay around the same price for blocks as divi? There must be an advantage to using blocks even though it seems to be more work. Is the performance much better?
Yes, more light weight and performant. Divi has a lot of design features going for it. It is generally harder to achieve those with blocks, so the choice may depend somewhat on your audience, client, and skills.
thanks
Can you create please comparison between seedprod and elementor? It looks like almost same product with same features and very similar layout.
Thanks 🙏
I've not used Seedprod, but it looks interesting.
I was looking forward to this one. It says no stream, tap to retry.
Sorry you are having difficulty. I'm able to watch and others are also. Maybe try a different browser?
@@DavidMcCan it wasn't playing on mobile but worked on desktop. Great video. Here's the irony I'm about to so a presentation for a WordPress BlackPress and WordPress Social Learning group via Meetup and my topic is wireframes and advanced blocks where I'm going to demonstrate Kadence. However due to the WordPress rules I have to recommend 2 - 3 other alts. I chose Generateblocks, Stackable and Spectra. I've already created comparison charts, etc. So this is even more helpful. I'm going to mention you in the presentation if I utilize any of your perspective or observations. Btw this is Maestro Stevens and I love your tutorials. They inspire me and give me great insight.
@@theiconicexpressions - Thank you for the kind words. I'm glad that the video is helpful. I hope your presentation goes well.
I tried generate blocks and it is extremely buggy. Wasted a lot of time thinking I made some error only to find out it was just buggy
I haven't experience bugs with it, but I know how frustrating it can be when you are in the middle of something and can't go forward.
Nexter + the plus blocks??
They have a new version that I want to try. The Plus Blocks isn't near the others in popularity (yet?).
add bricks builder for comparison?
These are all block-based. These are all simpler options. Bricks has many more features and is more powerful, but you wouldn't use Bricks to create blog posts.