I've never talked about this, but in elementary school I was bullied rather severely. Teachers told my parents it was the worst case of school bullying they'd ever seen. Around the time I was 9 or 10 I was reading a lot of books with blind characters and reading a lot about Helen Keller. I tried to learn Braille and would close my eyes and pretend to be blind. And I wanted to be blind. I would even stare into the sun for as long as I could to try and blind myself (didn't work). No one ever knew I'd tried that. I figured that if I was blind then I would have to leave that horrible school where I was being severely bullied and either be homeschooled or sent to a special school where, in my child mind, I was convinced I would be treated so much better. Fortunately and by extreme luck, when I went to middle school I had a better experience. I made a few friends, the bad kids left me alone and I blossomed academically (one of my elementary school teachers, who got fed up with the lack of support from the principal she got to stop the bullying, started circulating rumors that the kids who were doing the bullying had permanent police records as a result and I think that helped tremendously in getting people to leave me alone). Let's just say the desire to blind myself quickly ended when I went to middle school and no longer lived in fear and dread of being mistreated. I think this has always informed my thoughts that if we are in a bad environment we will do horrific things to get out of it, and I think some people have more awareness of this than others. But what would have happened if there was a social contagion of blindness and social media when I was a child? Blindness as an identity. The sad thing is that it would not have solved the core problem. I also want to comment, I was diagnosed with autistic tendencies at the age of 5 in the 1980s, and I have two kids with autism diagnosis. One has severe speech delays and the other does not. I have always loved being a woman and was very gender conforming, I am straight and not remotely bicurious, and I have been puzzled by the overlap between autism and LGBT as a result because I do not relate to it. The other thing I struggle with is that one thing that gets me into trouble is that I resist groupthink, and seeing so many in the autism community get sucked into groupthink is baffling. Occasionally I run into another autistic who seems to have my lone wolf tendencies who is also baffled by how this has come to be associated with autism, but like me they seem to be rather bad at groups and organizing. I also do not relate to a lot of the autistic girl stuff that is out there, especially since I think a lot of it is conflated with Borderline Personality Disorder (and I'm more of the type where if I don't like how I'm being treated I will cut someone off, I'm not going to go chasing after people). With my kids, my son is more like me, but my daughter, while she did have severe speech delays that she outgrew, has found socializing a lot easier and, another thing I have noticed about her that is very different from me, is that she is obsessed and focused on what is popular whereas I was always focused on what I like and if what i liked was popular, great, if what I liked wasn't popular I wasn't going to let a lot of mean people bully me out of it (which leads me to wonder if perhaps my daughter is not autistic but severely dyslexic to the point that it interfered with her speech development or something else. Or perhaps it goes into the people with autism have different strengths and weaknesses and the constellation my daughter got included speech delays but being more socially aware and caring more about social disapproval). In all I think this is very complex and I do think it is possible that people with trauma and personality disorders are now being lumped into the expanding autism umbrella. I've seen people wanting to be assessed for autism who have no childhood history of abnormal development and no patterns of autism but just feel different, and considering that I am grieving that my 13 year old may never live independently it feels like a slap in the face when these people come in. So I do think it is possible that people who are prone to social contagion would be prone to identifying as autistic when they aren't, and I've seen people who identify as autistic, multiple personality disorder, trans, are anorexic and say they have tic disorders, like they check the list for every social contagion out there. Are autistic people more prone to social contagion, or do people who are suspectable to social contagion tend to draw towards the autism diagnosis? And then on top of that there's still a lot about autism we don't understand and a lot to untangle, but to those who have autistic children or an autism diagnosis and are biological realists looking at this movement and wondering how on earth it came to be associated with autism, you are not alone.
I would tend to lean towards the conclusion that the socially awkward wish to fit into society at any cost. That is to say that they will adopt any social contagion or condition that would justify and possibly excuse the awkwardness they feel. It is, in the case of the social contagion , a case of self diagnosis and fulfilling the symptoms of said diagnosis. They actually delude themselves into believing their self diagnosis. I too was socially awkward and bullied however, I never adopted any such delusions and instead sought to strive to be the smartest person in the room. I said strive , people. I sought to learn as much as I could on every subject, intentionally making my mind a sponge. I never spoke on any subject that I did not feel certain that I had some degree of mastery there of. If I was not to be the most popular kid in the class , I was going to be the most respected. This did not make me any more popular but the bullying stopped . There is indeed a lot of self diagnosis going on today and social media is contributing heavily to the spread of these adopted disorders e.g. multiple personality disorder (now DID), trans, are anorexia, Tourette syndrome and the likes there of. The autistic and the otherwise socially awkward will employ every possible means of being special and increasing their social acceptance, that includes everything being circulated on social media , unfortunately.
I am the ex wife of an autogynophile. I have done a lot of deep research into autogynophilia, paraphilias, the adding on of the T to the LGB, and I must say this conversation is spot on.
I absolutely love this series, so informative and eye-opening, thanks so much because no one else is really doing this, plenty of people are talking about 'whats going on???' but I haven't seen anyone else relate the current trans craze to past hysterias and scandals like this.
@Kittyscraftcorner-ud6ij Second to both. The main stream media brought both of these to the fore in the 1980s. I remember an interview discussing repressed memories on NPR (American's public radio) as if it were really a thing. That lead the way to the widespread belief in Satanic ritual abuse.
So bodily autonomy in 2024 = amputation, gender reassignment, lifelong medication (all paid for in part or fully by tax payers), yet one cannot choose to not medicate their children or their own bodies 💉 These ‘medical’ regulations and systems have one thing in common, the ability for increasing profit $$$
That is one of the hardest parts of parenting. Not knowing what is going through their minds. When our oldest son was three he fell and hit his mouth on the corner of the wall. His teeth cut his lips up. Later that day he was in his room and seemed very upset. I asked what was wrong. He said that I let him fall and that I didn’t catch him. then he said I pushed him. I held him and explained to him that I wish I could have caught him but I was too far away. I would never push or hurt him. He got it so twisted around in his head.
This is so true. Unless they tell us, we have no idea what their minds tell them. It is such a scary thing and something that all parents have to deal with. Imagine if your child shared this on Social Media and had it confirmed or imagine the children on Social Media who may not be thinking certain things but, have it planted and then they believe it. Childrens imaginations are hard enough to navigate sometimes but, to have things bombarded to them is compounding an already difficult thing for parents. What is happening now is demonstrative of this to the extreme. I am glad my kid has grown. My heart goes out to the parents of this day and age. Social Media is a diseased predator for these children.
There was this case of where a girl was showing signs of TOURETTE'S syndrome. Then other girls and a female teacher also started showing signs of TOURETTE'S syndrome. It turned out that it was a case of mass hysteria. There's a documentary about it. Called the town that caught TOURETTE'S.
That is incorrect. It was due to streptococcus and they were treated with antibiotics. Yes, it was contagious - it was bacterial infection. It was an obvious infectious or toxin cause. The abnormal movements and contagious nature should have raised red flags of PANDAS. There was no psychiatrist that thought this was mass hysteria. It was only idiot neurologists.
When I was in high school 4 girls from my chemistry batch fell to the ground experiencing convulsions and breathing issues, they were rushed to the emergency room and all of them were fine without any medications. Everyone was confused what had happened but now learning about social contagions I am sure this is exactly what had happened to them. The interesting thing is they were friends and also engaged in cutting behavior. This all makes perfect sense now.
They're already euthanising trans regretters. It's very worrying in some countries such as the shit storm that is Canada how far they're willing to stretch euthanasia beyond it's original intention to physically healthy ppl
Hmm, I think in cases where someone is already terminally ill and know they’re likely to have a slow death- late stage cancers, ALS etc, it’s completely understandable. However, there are definitely some grey area cases in some countries that would be worth exploring as a topic. Such as that 28? Year old woman in the NL
@joce11These people that are victims of learned helplessness and voluntary become burdens to society by attempting to withdraw from normal societal parameters and form a microsociety where they are welcomed and their self imposed helplessness is encouraged thereby nullifying any need or push to normalize and become contributing members of the greater society.
@@callewag I agree. I think with all these things there are genuine examples. There are genuine Trans people and genuine DID people and also genuine cases for euthanasia. I believe that social media is responsible for the social contagions becoming extreme and it takes away from those that are genuine cases, and I find this to be very sad indeed.
Very often there is an association to some background trauma that morphed into a compulsive idea. An example is Howie Mandel who has suffered extreme OCD and fear of germs and touching objects and other people for decades. As a child Howie suffered a case of sand fleas that burrowed under his skin and layed eggs while he was enjoying a day at the beach. As weeks went by the larvae hatched and began moving around intersticially. It was enormously traumatic. This experience no doubt underlies his subsequent compulsive disorder. Often with males, their compulsion or obsession becomes intertwined with their developing sexuality. This results in autogynophils, pedophils, transvestites, fetishistic transvestites etc.
When I was in college... well, ever since I can remember I've had a sort of existential dread that during my adolescence consolidated into a sort of future death wish--I would not live past the age of 25 because I could not possibly live as an adult in the world. In any case, when I was in college, during my worst days I wanted to fall down the stairs. I wished that I could forget to walk, forget to put one foot in front of the other... if I could not walk anymore, if I forgot how to do it, I would be left alone, I would not be asked to be a functional adult because everybody would see that I cannot be a functional adult... It got so bad that I would have trouble going downstairs, because I had to tell my feet how to do it, even as I was hoping to fail at these instructions... so when Stella said that being a sick person can have psychological benefits, I was reminded of my own desire to be perceived as dysfunctional, to be seen as dysfunctional, because I was dysfunctional, but nobody could tell. I'm 49 and still not completely functional, in fact, and people around me still fail to see that I am struggling to function practically All.The.Time, and succeeding somewhat, but never thriving, and never fully enough to allow me to live autonomously, say, in a home of my own, paying my own bills... I went to the Philippines 10 years ago, to visit my dad, who moved there. I met his wife's family, and realized that if I were in such a family, in such a society, I would not be dysfunctional at all, or rather, I would be allowed to function at the level that I can function, and I would not have felt the need to fall down the stairs or the need to conceal my incapacity to be a financially and socially autonomous person. Because they don't expect individuals to thrive and succeed and identify as autonomous: they expect individuals to cooperate with the family, the tribe, and each can contribute to the best of their abilities. And I am aware that my contributions to my family are fundamental, my nuclear family, but also my extended family, and even friends' families: I can see what people want and need and what they do not want to express, I can mediate and I can redirect energies and I bring people together and make everybody feel at ease. And I would not be required to monetize this, to become a lifestyle coach or a therapist (which I am not, because I went down a different academic pathway and AI has made my skills practically irrelevant). So in a society in which individuals are not expected to be autonomous, but pro-social, these types of "illnesses" might not exist, or not as much... So there is a link between the transformation of a kind of primordial human fear (not being able to contribute to the group, and therefore, being "kicked out" of the group, shunned, left out of the collective gains and resources) into pathologies, and the transformation of "medicine" and "health care" into consumer-oriented institutions and practices: markets. Aspects of human life are subjected to market logic and market rules. Market logic makes every human into a producer/consumer. If you are not a producer of monetized or "monetizable" goods, you are socially worthless, and are allotted few resources and may not even have your basic needs met, or, you're a loser who depends on others who meet those needs. But no human can opt out of being a consumer. We must all eat. In any case, health care workers (doctors included) are providers/producers of goods and services that satisfy the needs or desires of consumers, formerly known as patients. The desires of consumers drive many other things, including the high value of prostitution and porn as "industries", and the growing number of womb-rentals and baby-purchases in the surrogacy industry; the destruction of the planet for the production of infinite numbers of commodities; and, of course, gender-affirming "care". PD- I wonder if Malcolm meant "sexual" when he said paraphilic. Because they're not synonymous, and saying that all gender-affirming care has a sexual component, is not the same as saying that it has a paraphilic component... unless he is implying that by needing to go through some sort of procedure (chemical transformation of the body, surgical transformation) it already falls into the realm of "paraphilic" sexuality? As opposed to regular sexuality, which is attraction to a (sort of) peer? Paraphilia entails sexual attraction to something or somebody other than a person--attraction to a body part, an object, a body type, an ethnicity, a particular act, as opposed to, attraction to John or Jane, is how I've always thought of it...
Thanks for Sharing your lived experience. I AM chronically ill and didn't get a correct diagnosis for 25 years. I worked in Hospice care and Dementia specialist Patient Advocate. Now AM functionally disabled and as happy as I have ever been. Loved and Cherished
@@maramclaine830 Me too. I always struggled to 'fit in' to expectations, even of being a mother. It was difficult for me always to conform or even understand social and workplace dynamics. I am not autistic, I understand most social cues and 'can' adjust but, only temporarily. I end up melting down if too much is expected of me, and I need to stick to guidelines or deadlines. I have to work in my own time at my own pace, without any pressure or expectations, and then I can function quite well. I have a diagnosis that explains my 'thing', and this is helping me to not only understand myself, but function peacefully and semi productive lives.
@Lenergyiskey358 I AM also Neuro divergent and didn't understand the body and brain I arrived with here in Earth School. My counselor suggested a video of 5 women from 20 to 70s speaking of their lives and patterns. I simply wept for several hours. High Masking Autistic Woman. The majority of my relationships I realized I had rarely if ever initiated sexual contact. It was just something that seemed to please others. I AM a Demisexual no limit on appearance or age or sex but I must have emotional connection for Sexual attraction. I don't use Autistic as it's used to call 7s New Bohemian HumanX a Dis Order. We are no Dis Order we are perhaps a step forward in human development. I realized that I had always been different but didn't understand why it was so lonely here in Earth School. How could humans hurt one another on PURPOSE sometimes just because they can. Greed that I have some understanding of. I could read at 3 and was kicked put of my first institution of Mankind at age 4. I tried to teach the others to read in kindergarten. My efforts were not appreciated by rhe teachers. I successfully taught Vonnie to read she was held back a year. When her father heard I got kicked put for assisting her he moved her with me to the Catholic school driving her there from another town himself. She was big strong and Feirce. Protected her little Margherita. Even broke my worst bullies arm in 5th grade when he knocked me over again trying to look up my skirt. She left in 6th grade. In 7th I finally had enough and during a test the bully right behind me as he had been for years due to the alphabet. I begged the buns to move him for YEARS. This time it was too much. I stood with my heavy history book in my hands and swung for the Fences. Knocked him clean out. Then sat down and calmly finished my test. Got an A too. Father Zannon came and picked him up carried him to the office. Not a word was said to my parents or h8s as far as I could tell. But on Monday his desk was at the front of the room and he couldn't hurt anyone from there. It was a strange experience Catholic school. Oddly it protected me from the even worse bullies in public school and I still am good friends with my two girlfriends who were with me from first to 10th grade. How do you feel about your children in the school system? My parents were HS teachers. It's been rough to witness the deterioration of the educational system. Frankly it's never been one that actually has compassion for each child as a unique manifesting of Our Prime Creator.
@Lenergyiskey358 I AM also Neuro divergent and didn't understand the body and brain I arrived with here in Earth School. My counselor suggested a video of 5 women from 20 to 70s speaking of their lives and patterns. I simply wept for several hours. High Masking Autistic Woman. The majority of my relationships I realized I had rarely if ever initiated sexual contact. It was just something that seemed to please others. I AM a Demisexual no limit on appearance or age or sex but I must have emotional connection for Sexual attraction. I don't use Autistic as it's used to call 7s New Bohemian HumanX a Dis Order. We are no Dis Order we are perhaps a step forward in human development. I realized that I had always been different but didn't understand why it was so lonely here in Earth School. How could humans hurt one another on PURPOSE sometimes just because they can. Greed that I have some understanding of. I could read at 3 and was kicked put of my first institution of Mankind at age 4. I tried to teach the others to read in kindergarten. My efforts were not appreciated by rhe teachers. I successfully taught Vonnie to read she was held back a year. When her father heard I got kicked put for assisting her he moved her with me to the Catholic school driving her there from another town himself. She was big strong and Feirce. Protected her little Margherita. Even broke my worst bullies arm in 5th grade when he knocked me over again trying to look up my skirt. She left in 6th grade. In 7th I finally had enough and during a test the bully right behind me as he had been for years due to the alphabet. I begged the buns to move him for YEARS. This time it was too much. I stood with my heavy history book in my hands and swung for the Fences. Knocked him clean out. Then sat down and calmly finished my test. Got an A too. Father Zannon came and picked him up carried him to the office. Not a word was said to my parents or h8s as far as I could tell. But on Monday his desk was at the front of the room and he couldn't hurt anyone from there. It was a strange experience Catholic school. Oddly it protected me from the even worse bullies in public school and I still am good friends with my two girlfriends who were with me from first to 10th grade. How do you feel about your children in the school system? My parents were HS teachers. It's been rough to witness the deterioration of the educational system. Frankly it's never been one that actually has compassion for each child as a unique manifesting of Our Prime Creator.
I recal a girl who wanted to be blind. She was a little upset that the method the doctor used was rather painful, but she was delighted with the results.
I can see how your arguments could be used in the near future to place people on MAID, the Canadian style euthanasia programme. It's a slippery slope that may have been 20 chess moves in the making
There's a movie called "Crash" (1996) that delves into this fetish. (Or it was a group sexually obsessed with car crash victims many of whom were amputees)
Helen Joyce spoke about a link between young women becoming trans and the link to fan fiction. A lot of it is a fetish, a young girl’s idea of what being a gay boy/man would be. But gay men and boys don’t recognise the characters in this fan fiction. It’s all so macabre I can’t look away 🫣
A few decades ago there were documentaries, interviews all over the place, with the amputees lecturing us about this alternate lifestyle. Yes they threatened suicide if they didn’t get their way. One of them threw himself in front of bus, and was saved by double amputation.I saw the documentary and the NHS was ok with it. They provided ground floor flats, wheelchairs and had the kitchen, toilet and bath all adjusted for these men who have had both limbs amputated. Luckily for common sense most surgeons flatly refused to do these amputations. The question was why was this happening? Someone then wrote a sensational article about a website he discovered where these amputees were engaging in bizarre sexual orgies. Unbelievable. Personally I never heard about them again. This was all nearly 40years ago.
I think the RODG girls phenomena is much more complex than one thing or another. No what they need to have excellent therapy to bring in the possibility of another view. The control of the mind over what a person decides to do is guaranteed to be wrong decision. When kids don't love themselves fundamentally, they are going to look for a quick fix. Transition is believed to be a quick fix without recognition of the side effects.
A couple thoughts: 1). With respect to creating bodies that aren’t found in nature, some people are born blind, deaf, or even missing limbs. Similarly, though rare, intersex individuals can be born with ambiguous genitalia or a combination of male and female organs (both internal and external). 2). If you think about it, body modification and “mutilation” exist on a spectrum. Some forms are generally accepted in many cultures (piercings for instance, shaving body hair, etc) while others are culture bound (such as foot binding, female genital mutilation). Even in many western cultures, there are some examples of removing healthy body tissue for non-medical reasons that are commonplace and accepted by many, including male circumcision and cosmetic procedures such as breast reductions and nose jobs. Yes, this is less extreme than gender affirming surgery or amputation, but it’s completely black and white.
I think another possible cause is the need for attention, which has grown exponentially with the advent of the internet and the breakup of the family and broader community. People feel like they need to stand out. Getting a tattoo, coloring one's hair, etc., used to be what people did. But those are commonplace now. So, changing genders is the next logical step.
Regarding being happy or regretful, as I understand it, heroin addicts are happy when they get ahold of heroin until they really aren't any longer, and thus begin to regret their choices.
@17:37: 'extremities of life' - using the word 'extremities' seems a bit on the nose and a play on words, seeing we're talking about people lobbing off limbs and body parts, lol...
I wonder if once a disease is identified, it isn't that people just think they have it, but that it's then more easily diagnosed? Perhaps people in Japan or Hong were starving themselves, but until one poor victim died and it got publicity, the public and doctors didn't recognise it as an illness?
I think its very interesting that Stella in the end mentioned consent as one of the new dogmas. It feels to me that our culture has gone more and more towards putting consent above all else and neglects the idea that individuals also could have a responsibility towards others ans the society, so that in a sense, its almost never the case that you can do what you like and nobody is impacted.
There is nothing in common between a 40-year-old straight male AGP and a gender-non-conforming 14-year-old tomboy. Sorry, but insisting on attributing some kind of paraphilic motivation to the latter cohort is borderline creepy when nothing in the data bears this out. And there was more than a touch of man-splaining in the video towards Stella and the others that was actually quite uncomfortable to watch.
So is "mansplaining" now just anytime a man respectfully disagrees with/has a different point of view than a woman? This was, afterall, a discussion among professionals, and the purpose was to present different perspectives on this issue. You're infantalizing the women on this panel-- I'm sure if they were as insulted and incensed by him daring to share his opinion, as you seem to be, they would have the spine to confront him about it like the mature adults that they are. That being said, i don't disagree with your point about there being a world of difference btwn a trans-identified AGP and a classic ROGD case of a teen girl-- but, from my experience, I do think there are definitely some young trans-identified women for whom the motivation is, at least partially, sexual/paraphilic in nature.
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Mia Hughes is a brilliant woman.
Nah, she's just a trad wife who parrots Jordan Peterson. Same arguments verbatim.
I've never talked about this, but in elementary school I was bullied rather severely. Teachers told my parents it was the worst case of school bullying they'd ever seen. Around the time I was 9 or 10 I was reading a lot of books with blind characters and reading a lot about Helen Keller. I tried to learn Braille and would close my eyes and pretend to be blind. And I wanted to be blind. I would even stare into the sun for as long as I could to try and blind myself (didn't work). No one ever knew I'd tried that. I figured that if I was blind then I would have to leave that horrible school where I was being severely bullied and either be homeschooled or sent to a special school where, in my child mind, I was convinced I would be treated so much better.
Fortunately and by extreme luck, when I went to middle school I had a better experience. I made a few friends, the bad kids left me alone and I blossomed academically (one of my elementary school teachers, who got fed up with the lack of support from the principal she got to stop the bullying, started circulating rumors that the kids who were doing the bullying had permanent police records as a result and I think that helped tremendously in getting people to leave me alone). Let's just say the desire to blind myself quickly ended when I went to middle school and no longer lived in fear and dread of being mistreated.
I think this has always informed my thoughts that if we are in a bad environment we will do horrific things to get out of it, and I think some people have more awareness of this than others. But what would have happened if there was a social contagion of blindness and social media when I was a child? Blindness as an identity. The sad thing is that it would not have solved the core problem.
I also want to comment, I was diagnosed with autistic tendencies at the age of 5 in the 1980s, and I have two kids with autism diagnosis. One has severe speech delays and the other does not. I have always loved being a woman and was very gender conforming, I am straight and not remotely bicurious, and I have been puzzled by the overlap between autism and LGBT as a result because I do not relate to it. The other thing I struggle with is that one thing that gets me into trouble is that I resist groupthink, and seeing so many in the autism community get sucked into groupthink is baffling. Occasionally I run into another autistic who seems to have my lone wolf tendencies who is also baffled by how this has come to be associated with autism, but like me they seem to be rather bad at groups and organizing. I also do not relate to a lot of the autistic girl stuff that is out there, especially since I think a lot of it is conflated with Borderline Personality Disorder (and I'm more of the type where if I don't like how I'm being treated I will cut someone off, I'm not going to go chasing after people).
With my kids, my son is more like me, but my daughter, while she did have severe speech delays that she outgrew, has found socializing a lot easier and, another thing I have noticed about her that is very different from me, is that she is obsessed and focused on what is popular whereas I was always focused on what I like and if what i liked was popular, great, if what I liked wasn't popular I wasn't going to let a lot of mean people bully me out of it (which leads me to wonder if perhaps my daughter is not autistic but severely dyslexic to the point that it interfered with her speech development or something else. Or perhaps it goes into the people with autism have different strengths and weaknesses and the constellation my daughter got included speech delays but being more socially aware and caring more about social disapproval).
In all I think this is very complex and I do think it is possible that people with trauma and personality disorders are now being lumped into the expanding autism umbrella. I've seen people wanting to be assessed for autism who have no childhood history of abnormal development and no patterns of autism but just feel different, and considering that I am grieving that my 13 year old may never live independently it feels like a slap in the face when these people come in. So I do think it is possible that people who are prone to social contagion would be prone to identifying as autistic when they aren't, and I've seen people who identify as autistic, multiple personality disorder, trans, are anorexic and say they have tic disorders, like they check the list for every social contagion out there. Are autistic people more prone to social contagion, or do people who are suspectable to social contagion tend to draw towards the autism diagnosis? And then on top of that there's still a lot about autism we don't understand and a lot to untangle, but to those who have autistic children or an autism diagnosis and are biological realists looking at this movement and wondering how on earth it came to be associated with autism, you are not alone.
What an absolutely brilliant insight! Thank you so much for sharing
I would tend to lean towards the conclusion that the socially awkward wish to fit into society at any cost. That is to say that they will adopt any social contagion or condition that would justify and possibly excuse the awkwardness they feel. It is, in the case of the social contagion , a case of self diagnosis and fulfilling the symptoms of said diagnosis. They actually delude themselves into believing their self diagnosis. I too was socially awkward and bullied however, I never adopted any such delusions and instead sought to strive to be the smartest person in the room. I said strive , people. I sought to learn as much as I could on every subject, intentionally making my mind a sponge. I never spoke on any subject that I did not feel certain that I had some degree of mastery there of. If I was not to be the most popular kid in the class , I was going to be the most respected. This did not make me any more popular but the bullying stopped . There is indeed a lot of self diagnosis going on today and social media is contributing heavily to the spread of these adopted disorders e.g. multiple personality disorder (now DID), trans, are anorexia, Tourette syndrome and the likes there of. The autistic and the otherwise socially awkward will employ every possible means of being special and increasing their social acceptance, that includes everything being circulated on social media , unfortunately.
I am the ex wife of an autogynophile. I have done a lot of deep research into autogynophilia, paraphilias, the adding on of the T to the LGB,
and I must say this conversation is spot on.
I hope life is a little easier for you now. 💐
I'm so grateful for everyone in this video. Thank you, a million times, over!!
I absolutely love this series, so informative and eye-opening, thanks so much because no one else is really doing this, plenty of people are talking about 'whats going on???' but I haven't seen anyone else relate the current trans craze to past hysterias and scandals like this.
Content is second to none!
@Kittyscraftcorner-ud6ij Second to both. The main stream media brought both of these to the fore in the 1980s. I remember an interview discussing repressed memories on NPR (American's public radio) as if it were really a thing. That lead the way to the widespread belief in Satanic ritual abuse.
@@missanne2908It can't be a coincidence that Diane Ersenhaft who was a defender of the satanic panic and repressed memories is connected to Wpath
The EDI jester has been doing it for a while
The Fortean Times has done it for decades ! 😂
There's an AGP in Norway who made headlines some years ago when he decided he is wheelchair bound and wanted disability checks.
It's just sickening.
He wasn't young enough to have created his own bone density issues?
@@ribbonsofnight no, he's middle age or older.
So bodily autonomy in 2024 = amputation, gender reassignment, lifelong medication (all paid for in part or fully by tax payers), yet one cannot choose to not medicate their children or their own bodies 💉
These ‘medical’ regulations and systems have one thing in common, the ability for increasing profit $$$
There are many bad actors. Big Med is only two of them.
Very interesting talk.
Is there any discussion more interesting than Genspect atm? Thank you!
That is one of the hardest parts of parenting. Not knowing what is going through their minds. When our oldest son was three he fell and hit his mouth on the corner of the wall. His teeth cut his lips up. Later that day he was in his room and seemed very upset. I asked what was wrong. He said that I let him fall and that I didn’t catch him. then he said I pushed him. I held him and explained to him that I wish I could have caught him but I was too far away. I would never push or hurt him. He got it so twisted around in his head.
This is so true. Unless they tell us, we have no idea what their minds tell them. It is such a scary thing and something that all parents have to deal with. Imagine if your child shared this on Social Media and had it confirmed or imagine the children on Social Media who may not be thinking certain things but, have it planted and then they believe it. Childrens imaginations are hard enough to navigate sometimes but, to have things bombarded to them is compounding an already difficult thing for parents. What is happening now is demonstrative of this to the extreme. I am glad my kid has grown. My heart goes out to the parents of this day and age. Social Media is a diseased predator for these children.
There was this case of where a girl was showing signs of TOURETTE'S syndrome. Then other girls and a female teacher also started showing signs of TOURETTE'S syndrome. It turned out that it was a case of mass hysteria. There's a documentary about it. Called the town that caught TOURETTE'S.
That is incorrect. It was due to streptococcus and they were treated with antibiotics. Yes, it was contagious - it was bacterial infection. It was an obvious infectious or toxin cause. The abnormal movements and contagious nature should have raised red flags of PANDAS. There was no psychiatrist that thought this was mass hysteria. It was only idiot neurologists.
When I was in high school 4 girls from my chemistry batch fell to the ground experiencing convulsions and breathing issues, they were rushed to the emergency room and all of them were fine without any medications. Everyone was confused what had happened but now learning about social contagions I am sure this is exactly what had happened to them. The interesting thing is they were friends and also engaged in cutting behavior. This all makes perfect sense now.
I haven't heard the term Tans Sexual Imprinting used which is what I think is going on in US schools convincing kids to pursue trans ideology.
Another super informative video. Thank you so much.
OMG, where to start! What a wonderfully "Open" conversation.
Another topic on the bodily autonomy theme is euthanasia
They're already euthanising trans regretters. It's very worrying in some countries such as the shit storm that is Canada how far they're willing to stretch euthanasia beyond it's original intention to physically healthy ppl
Hmm, I think in cases where someone is already terminally ill and know they’re likely to have a slow death- late stage cancers, ALS etc, it’s completely understandable. However, there are definitely some grey area cases in some countries that would be worth exploring as a topic. Such as that 28? Year old woman in the NL
@joce11These people that are victims of learned helplessness and voluntary become burdens to society by attempting to withdraw from normal societal parameters and form a microsociety where they are welcomed and their self imposed helplessness is encouraged thereby nullifying any need or push to normalize and become contributing members of the greater society.
@@callewag I agree. I think with all these things there are genuine examples. There are genuine Trans people and genuine DID people and also genuine cases for euthanasia. I believe that social media is responsible for the social contagions becoming extreme and it takes away from those that are genuine cases, and I find this to be very sad indeed.
What is it that makes people attracted to weird things? Why does this happen?
Very often there is an association to some background trauma that morphed into a compulsive idea.
An example is Howie Mandel who has suffered extreme OCD and fear of germs and touching objects and other people for decades.
As a child Howie suffered a case of sand fleas that burrowed under his skin and layed eggs while he was enjoying a day at the beach.
As weeks went by the larvae hatched and began moving around intersticially. It was enormously traumatic. This experience no doubt underlies his subsequent compulsive disorder.
Often with males, their compulsion or obsession becomes intertwined with their developing sexuality. This results in autogynophils, pedophils, transvestites, fetishistic transvestites etc.
The internet has brought us many great things but has also brought misery to so many peoples lives.
Minute 57.53 the word "masochistic" is finally used.
When I was in college... well, ever since I can remember I've had a sort of existential dread that during my adolescence consolidated into a sort of future death wish--I would not live past the age of 25 because I could not possibly live as an adult in the world. In any case, when I was in college, during my worst days I wanted to fall down the stairs. I wished that I could forget to walk, forget to put one foot in front of the other... if I could not walk anymore, if I forgot how to do it, I would be left alone, I would not be asked to be a functional adult because everybody would see that I cannot be a functional adult... It got so bad that I would have trouble going downstairs, because I had to tell my feet how to do it, even as I was hoping to fail at these instructions... so when Stella said that being a sick person can have psychological benefits, I was reminded of my own desire to be perceived as dysfunctional, to be seen as dysfunctional, because I was dysfunctional, but nobody could tell. I'm 49 and still not completely functional, in fact, and people around me still fail to see that I am struggling to function practically All.The.Time, and succeeding somewhat, but never thriving, and never fully enough to allow me to live autonomously, say, in a home of my own, paying my own bills...
I went to the Philippines 10 years ago, to visit my dad, who moved there. I met his wife's family, and realized that if I were in such a family, in such a society, I would not be dysfunctional at all, or rather, I would be allowed to function at the level that I can function, and I would not have felt the need to fall down the stairs or the need to conceal my incapacity to be a financially and socially autonomous person. Because they don't expect individuals to thrive and succeed and identify as autonomous: they expect individuals to cooperate with the family, the tribe, and each can contribute to the best of their abilities. And I am aware that my contributions to my family are fundamental, my nuclear family, but also my extended family, and even friends' families: I can see what people want and need and what they do not want to express, I can mediate and I can redirect energies and I bring people together and make everybody feel at ease. And I would not be required to monetize this, to become a lifestyle coach or a therapist (which I am not, because I went down a different academic pathway and AI has made my skills practically irrelevant). So in a society in which individuals are not expected to be autonomous, but pro-social, these types of "illnesses" might not exist, or not as much...
So there is a link between the transformation of a kind of primordial human fear (not being able to contribute to the group, and therefore, being "kicked out" of the group, shunned, left out of the collective gains and resources) into pathologies, and the transformation of "medicine" and "health care" into consumer-oriented institutions and practices: markets. Aspects of human life are subjected to market logic and market rules. Market logic makes every human into a producer/consumer. If you are not a producer of monetized or "monetizable" goods, you are socially worthless, and are allotted few resources and may not even have your basic needs met, or, you're a loser who depends on others who meet those needs. But no human can opt out of being a consumer. We must all eat. In any case, health care workers (doctors included) are providers/producers of goods and services that satisfy the needs or desires of consumers, formerly known as patients. The desires of consumers drive many other things, including the high value of prostitution and porn as "industries", and the growing number of womb-rentals and baby-purchases in the surrogacy industry; the destruction of the planet for the production of infinite numbers of commodities; and, of course, gender-affirming "care".
PD- I wonder if Malcolm meant "sexual" when he said paraphilic. Because they're not synonymous, and saying that all gender-affirming care has a sexual component, is not the same as saying that it has a paraphilic component... unless he is implying that by needing to go through some sort of procedure (chemical transformation of the body, surgical transformation) it already falls into the realm of "paraphilic" sexuality? As opposed to regular sexuality, which is attraction to a (sort of) peer? Paraphilia entails sexual attraction to something or somebody other than a person--attraction to a body part, an object, a body type, an ethnicity, a particular act, as opposed to, attraction to John or Jane, is how I've always thought of it...
Thanks for Sharing your lived experience. I AM chronically ill and didn't get a correct diagnosis for 25 years.
I worked in Hospice care and Dementia specialist Patient Advocate.
Now AM functionally disabled and as happy as I have ever been. Loved and Cherished
@@maramclaine830 Me too. I always struggled to 'fit in' to expectations, even of being a mother. It was difficult for me always to conform or even understand social and workplace dynamics. I am not autistic, I understand most social cues and 'can' adjust but, only temporarily. I end up melting down if too much is expected of me, and I need to stick to guidelines or deadlines. I have to work in my own time at my own pace, without any pressure or expectations, and then I can function quite well. I have a diagnosis that explains my 'thing', and this is helping me to not only understand myself, but function peacefully and semi productive lives.
@Lenergyiskey358 I AM also Neuro divergent and didn't understand the body and brain I arrived with here in Earth School.
My counselor suggested a video of 5 women from 20 to 70s speaking of their lives and patterns. I simply wept for several hours. High Masking Autistic Woman. The majority of my relationships I realized I had rarely if ever initiated sexual contact. It was just something that seemed to please others. I AM a Demisexual no limit on appearance or age or sex but I must have emotional connection for Sexual attraction.
I don't use Autistic as it's used to call 7s New Bohemian HumanX a Dis Order. We are no Dis Order we are perhaps a step forward in human development.
I realized that I had always been different but didn't understand why it was so lonely here in Earth School. How could humans hurt one another on PURPOSE sometimes just because they can. Greed that I have some understanding of.
I could read at 3 and was kicked put of my first institution of Mankind at age 4. I tried to teach the others to read in kindergarten. My efforts were not appreciated by rhe teachers.
I successfully taught Vonnie to read she was held back a year. When her father heard I got kicked put for assisting her he moved her with me to the Catholic school driving her there from another town himself.
She was big strong and Feirce. Protected her little Margherita. Even broke my worst bullies arm in 5th grade when he knocked me over again trying to look up my skirt.
She left in 6th grade. In 7th I finally had enough and during a test the bully right behind me as he had been for years due to the alphabet. I begged the buns to move him for YEARS.
This time it was too much. I stood with my heavy history book in my hands and swung for the Fences. Knocked him clean out. Then sat down and calmly finished my test. Got an A too.
Father Zannon came and picked him up carried him to the office. Not a word was said to my parents or h8s as far as I could tell. But on Monday his desk was at the front of the room and he couldn't hurt anyone from there.
It was a strange experience Catholic school. Oddly it protected me from the even worse bullies in public school and I still am good friends with my two girlfriends who were with me from first to 10th grade.
How do you feel about your children in the school system? My parents were HS teachers. It's been rough to witness the deterioration of the educational system. Frankly it's never been one that actually has compassion for each child as a unique manifesting of Our Prime Creator.
@Lenergyiskey358 I AM also Neuro divergent and didn't understand the body and brain I arrived with here in Earth School.
My counselor suggested a video of 5 women from 20 to 70s speaking of their lives and patterns. I simply wept for several hours. High Masking Autistic Woman. The majority of my relationships I realized I had rarely if ever initiated sexual contact. It was just something that seemed to please others. I AM a Demisexual no limit on appearance or age or sex but I must have emotional connection for Sexual attraction.
I don't use Autistic as it's used to call 7s New Bohemian HumanX a Dis Order. We are no Dis Order we are perhaps a step forward in human development.
I realized that I had always been different but didn't understand why it was so lonely here in Earth School. How could humans hurt one another on PURPOSE sometimes just because they can. Greed that I have some understanding of.
I could read at 3 and was kicked put of my first institution of Mankind at age 4. I tried to teach the others to read in kindergarten. My efforts were not appreciated by rhe teachers.
I successfully taught Vonnie to read she was held back a year. When her father heard I got kicked put for assisting her he moved her with me to the Catholic school driving her there from another town himself.
She was big strong and Feirce. Protected her little Margherita. Even broke my worst bullies arm in 5th grade when he knocked me over again trying to look up my skirt.
She left in 6th grade. In 7th I finally had enough and during a test the bully right behind me as he had been for years due to the alphabet. I begged the buns to move him for YEARS.
This time it was too much. I stood with my heavy history book in my hands and swung for the Fences. Knocked him clean out. Then sat down and calmly finished my test. Got an A too.
Father Zannon came and picked him up carried him to the office. Not a word was said to my parents or h8s as far as I could tell. But on Monday his desk was at the front of the room and he couldn't hurt anyone from there.
It was a strange experience Catholic school. Oddly it protected me from the even worse bullies in public school and I still am good friends with my two girlfriends who were with me from first to 10th grade.
How do you feel about your children in the school system? My parents were HS teachers. It's been rough to witness the deterioration of the educational system. Frankly it's never been one that actually has compassion for each child as a unique manifesting of Our Prime Creator.
I recal a girl who wanted to be blind. She was a little upset that the method the doctor used was rather painful, but she was delighted with the results.
This subject matter reminds me of the 2008 movie called
Quid Pro Quo.
It deals with EXACTLY this!
Fascinating.
Your background is looking very smart Stella!
Great Q+A section, subscribers have obviously committed to a lot of thought and contemplation.
LOL at Malcom's blunt telling it how it is! Top Bloke!
I can see how your arguments could be used in the near future to place people on MAID, the Canadian style euthanasia programme. It's a slippery slope that may have been 20 chess moves in the making
There's a movie called "Crash" (1996) that delves into this fetish. (Or it was a group sexually obsessed with car crash victims many of whom were amputees)
Cronenberg (of course) not the la movie❤️
About apotemnophilia, I think you would find interesing Viktoria Modesta's music video "Prototype".
Helen Joyce spoke about a link between young women becoming trans and the link to fan fiction. A lot of it is a fetish, a young girl’s idea of what being a gay boy/man would be. But gay men and boys don’t recognise the characters in this fan fiction. It’s all so macabre I can’t look away 🫣
A few decades ago there were documentaries, interviews all over the place, with the amputees lecturing us about this alternate lifestyle. Yes they threatened suicide if they didn’t get their way. One of them threw himself in front of bus, and was saved by double amputation.I saw the documentary and the NHS was ok with it. They provided ground floor flats, wheelchairs and had the kitchen, toilet and bath all adjusted for these men who have had both limbs amputated. Luckily for common sense most surgeons flatly refused to do these amputations. The question was why was this happening? Someone then wrote a sensational article about a website he discovered where these amputees were engaging in bizarre sexual orgies. Unbelievable. Personally I never heard about them again. This was all nearly 40years ago.
I think the RODG girls phenomena is much more complex than one thing or another. No what they need to have excellent therapy to bring in the possibility of another view. The control of the mind over what a person decides to do is guaranteed to be wrong decision. When kids don't love themselves fundamentally, they are going to look for a quick fix. Transition is believed to be a quick fix without recognition of the side effects.
A couple thoughts:
1). With respect to creating bodies that aren’t found in nature, some people are born blind, deaf, or even missing limbs. Similarly, though rare, intersex individuals can be born with ambiguous genitalia or a combination of male and female organs (both internal and external).
2). If you think about it, body modification and “mutilation” exist on a spectrum. Some forms are generally accepted in many cultures (piercings for instance, shaving body hair, etc) while others are culture bound (such as foot binding, female genital mutilation). Even in many western cultures, there are some examples of removing healthy body tissue for non-medical reasons that are commonplace and accepted by many, including male circumcision and cosmetic procedures such as breast reductions and nose jobs. Yes, this is less extreme than gender affirming surgery or amputation, but it’s completely black and white.
Anyone else remember the film, ‘Zed and Two Noughts’ ? 🤔
Thank god I'm normal 🙏
I think another possible cause is the need for attention, which has grown exponentially with the advent of the internet and the breakup of the family and broader community. People feel like they need to stand out. Getting a tattoo, coloring one's hair, etc., used to be what people did. But those are commonplace now. So, changing genders is the next logical step.
Regarding being happy or regretful, as I understand it, heroin addicts are happy when they get ahold of heroin until they really aren't any longer, and thus begin to regret their choices.
You guys are doing gods work!(I am atheist)
Carrie likened the motivation behind clinicians to ‘treat’ patients with lobotomies for eg, as a wish to relieve pain.
@17:37: 'extremities of life' - using the word 'extremities' seems a bit on the nose and a play on words, seeing we're talking about people lobbing off limbs and body parts, lol...
I wonder if once a disease is identified, it isn't that people just think they have it, but that it's then more easily diagnosed? Perhaps people in Japan or Hong were starving themselves, but until one poor victim died and it got publicity, the public and doctors didn't recognise it as an illness?
I think its very interesting that Stella in the end mentioned consent as one of the new dogmas. It feels to me that our culture has gone more and more towards putting consent above all else and neglects the idea that individuals also could have a responsibility towards others ans the society, so that in a sense, its almost never the case that you can do what you like and nobody is impacted.
If we had had the internet, things might be 2 generations advanced from where they are now. We might all identify as victimized gods.
We should never have closed the asylums.
I think some of this labeling is parents trying to get free care, free schooling government assistance for their kids
Miaphilia is the condition of those who are about to fall in love with Mia Hughes because she's smart and cute.🤭😘
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There is nothing in common between a 40-year-old straight male AGP and a gender-non-conforming 14-year-old tomboy. Sorry, but insisting on attributing some kind of paraphilic motivation to the latter cohort is borderline creepy when nothing in the data bears this out. And there was more than a touch of man-splaining in the video towards Stella and the others that was actually quite uncomfortable to watch.
Came here to say this.
So is "mansplaining" now just anytime a man respectfully disagrees with/has a different point of view than a woman? This was, afterall, a discussion among professionals, and the purpose was to present different perspectives on this issue.
You're infantalizing the women on this panel-- I'm sure if they were as insulted and incensed by him daring to share his opinion, as you seem to be, they would have the spine to confront him about it like the mature adults that they are.
That being said, i don't disagree with your point about there being a world of difference btwn a trans-identified AGP and a classic ROGD case of a teen girl-- but, from my experience, I do think there are definitely some young trans-identified women for whom the motivation is, at least partially, sexual/paraphilic in nature.
Mendoza is Ann Coulter on steroids....that voice.