Trumpet Cup Mute Comparison
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
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I was asked by some people what the difference was with the new cup mute I recently acquired (a vintage Ray Robinson), so I decided to make a quick video demonstration where I play all 4 different cup mutes that I own.
They are: Dennis Wick , Soulo Mute, Humes and Berg, and a vintage Ray Robinson.
I edited together a version of the Dizzy tune Groovin' High so that it switches mutes between phrases (it's not the best editing job, but it illustrated the point I was going after).
It's pretty cool how different these mutes sound - they all have their own unique character. I tried to play they all with the same intensity on the trumpet, and they were all pushed in the bell the same amount.
Which one sounds best to you?
The playing portion of this video starts around the 3:30 mark.
They all sound different, before this I thought they weren't as different, I'm subscribing!!!!
Alex Burton thanks for watching!!
Sheeeeeeeeeeesh that Robinson sounds so good
I have a test tomorrow, I don't even play the trumpet :/
Pretty interesting though, I never knew trumpet mutes could vary the sound so much
PoppyCorn thanks for watching!! Good luck on the test. :)
I have the aluminum cup mute by Jo Ral and it has adjustable felt inside it. I don't really like this mute too much because it kind of muffles the cup mute sound even after taking out the removable felt. I ordered a Humes & Berg Stonelined cup mute yesterday from eBay. I think it'll sound better than the Jo Ral.
Either the Dennis Wick or the Ray Robinson Cup Mute.
Great choices - I always have the Denis Wick with me ... but for that vintage sound the Ray Robinson (and occasionally Shastock) is great!
You should check out the Humes & Berg Mic-a-mute. I use that model rather than their standard cup. Two reasons: Has a nice rubber ring around the edge of the cup rather than those nasty hard edges. And it has red flocking inside the cup. RE: Fit -- You over generalize when you keep saying "tight". You need to adjust the fit so you have the sound and projection you are looking for. Super tight and it might be really mellow, which could be great if you're on a mic or in a small combo. But that tight fit will mean you will have no volume and it will be hard to project...useless in a typical big band situation. More gap and it might not be as mellow but now at least you'll be heard. It's going to be a compromise.
A nice mute - I've got a few of those now ... this video is one of my earliest. I think I included a mic-a-mute in a later video ... can't recall which one though.
Agree on the fit/sound compromise, I was just trying to demo some different sounds that are possible.
Thanks for the demonstration, I have a 50's R Robinson, a couple of Shastock tonal color cups one from the 50's and a later made one from the 70's, A Humes and Berg, a HMT adjustable copper cup and I just ordered the Soulo Trumpet Cup Mute. I am excited after hearing your example to be getting my Soulo. If I had to chose a favorite it would probably be the older Shastock with the maple resonator. Dizzy preferred those as well from what I understand. I really liked the sound of the Soulo cup and I would be more apt to carry it around than the vintage ones. (Just afraid of messing them up)
+Brian Graber Thanks for the comment, glad you enjoyed the video! Sounds like you've got a nice collection. The Soulo is a great choice - I bring it along on nearly all of my gigs. I've got a new video that I hope to post soon ... been in the works a few months (gigs/travel/teaching got in the way), so check back in a week or two for the new video!
Great video! I’m checking out the Ray Robinson cup mutes on Ebay. Do you know whether they had different types?
Best
Piotr
They changed a little bit over the years, the early ones are generally accepted as being superior ... slightly different materials (most noticeably with the felt), but they are great no matter. This one is one of the later ones.
@@JoshRzepkaMusic Thanks for your reply and the info! Your channel is awesome!
You generate a very clean sound ...not sure how you do that but each note is bullseyes ...thx
Thanks! Lots of practice and daily fundamentals.
Yea. Bit of technique, but mostly practicing. A LOT. At least 5 days a week.
Hi Josh Rzepka. Playing a cup mute with a Shure Clip mic. Where is the sweet spot for mic'ing? Front of mute or at opening at the bell? I have it at side at opening of bell. My partner always asks me to push for volume with the cup placement there. Should I alter it?
Good question! I tend to put the mic at the opening of the mic/bell - pretty tight. Some cup mutes ring nicely out the end, but you'll possibly get less articulation/volume ... it can really depend on the mute. Whenever I use a cup with a mic I also focus a bit more on the articulation and dial up the dynamics a little bit to compensate. Do you have the front of the mic rotated to be facing into the opening?
@@JoshRzepkaMusic Thank you for the quick response! I have the head of mic facing right in the opening...
I will work on the intonation a little more to see if that clears it up. I tend to slur a bit @joshrzepka :)
Yeah, intonation and articulation will make a big difference!
I really like the Soulo Mute
It's one of my favorites! There is a new updated version of that mute, it's even better now.
The new Ingram MuteMeister Cup has a felt lined cup.
warburtonmusic we'll be making a video on that sooner than later. You will likely see me, and Roger playing it in the same video.
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Thank you. 👍
I need a link for homework
Cool.
Hi there, thanks for the mute comparisons.
To your educated ears, which cup do you think he is using here, intro and the solo starting 1:07...? Thanks!
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Hi! Sorry I didn't reply earlier. Good question! I actually asked Arturo, he told me he didn't remember. haha. Really difficult to say based on how it was mic'd and how wide a color palate Arturo can play with.
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