PS4 Pro Liquid Metal vs Thermal Paste
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- Опубліковано 12 лис 2022
- Testing Thermal Grease and Liquid Metal on the PS4 Pro CUH-7015, CUH-7016 - the hottest and noisiest of all PlayStation 4 Pro models.
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Welcome to HowFixit, in this video, I will test the effectiveness of thermal paste and liquid metal on PS4 Pro. I chose the first revision of PS4 Pro CUH-7016b (the same CUH-7015b, CUH-7115b) it is the hottest and noisiest of all PlayStation 4 Pro models.
Before testing the thermal paste, the game console was completely dust-cleaned. In this video, I do not show the detailed process of disassembling and cleaning the PS4 Pro, there is a separate video on my channel.
For the test, I chose the most popular Arctic MX-4 thermal paste and Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut liquid metal.
To measure the heating temperature of the PS4 Pro, I will use two sensors: the white sensor I'll connect directly to the heatsink, and the black sensor will measure the temperature of the air blown out of the game console's cooling system. - Наука та технологія
Explanation of the ending for those who didn't understand the result of the test, why liquid metal is better for PS4 Pro - the sensor was attached to the heatsink and the temperature is higher for liquid metal because it transfers heat from the APU to the heatsink better. Please do not confuse the processor heat level with the heat sink heat level. The purpose of a heat conductor is to better transfer heat from the CPU to the heatsink, in which case liquid metal did a better job than thermal paste.
Thanks, now I see why. But if you could provide chip temperature too, this would be clear without any confusion.
48.1 dB is better than 53.7 dB… Liquid metal wins!
I used gold termal hope i haven't messed. 🥲
Liquid metal has like 10x the thermal wicking capacity of thermal paste. It's just conductive which means don't mess up
The liquid metal has to also be applied onto the heatsink
Liquid metal is always better than paste at heat transfer, but you have to be careful on bare copper heatsinks because of dry out of the LM. The copper will absorb the LM and you'll have to reapply it a couple times. It's best to use it on nickel plated surfaces to avoid this
I know that it dries out and copper absorbs LM but -if you know or tested it yourself- how much does it take to dry out? When should i re-apply LM on my copper heatsink-cooled system?
@@dmitrisalarov honestly I have not tried myself, dunno if you're talking about a console or a PC, but either way pay attention to your fans speed and performance. If your stuff sounds like a jet engine it's probably time to reapply and after a couple applications it will saturate and stop drying, thermal protections should prevent death of components so as long as you are paying attention it should be fine. Another solution is to try to nickel plate the surface but that's not easy and requires a lot of creativity to do on a heatsink contact plate since you can't submerge the whole thing. Again it's just best to avoid LM on copper.
@@Matt_Duke best to avoid LM on aluminum* copper is OK, Nickel is best.
@@kanyeeastlolz coper is only kida ok, like I said I will dry out and cause problems, a while after applying someone inexperienced will be left wondering why their device sounds like a jet engine and performs like crap. An enthusiast willing to disassemble and reapply a couple more times is fine, but newbies should avoid LM on copper.
derauder said the heat sinks in copper do not give problems despite the absorption the problem is those in aluminum
I bought a ps4 pro first Revision with liquid metal applied nearly 2 years ago. I opened it up because of the quite high noise level. I noticed although the ps4 pro had a copper heatsink it still got damaged over time and lost contact to the board. After reapplying mx4 the fan noise dropped significantly.
All of the reviewer said that copper heat sinks are resistent to liquid metal. However, I cant confirm that.
The heatsink is most likely still aluminum that’s been treated with a layer of copper. Liquid metal will still eat through that material if that’s the case.
if it's truly copper it'll just form an alloy. Also, it has to be thermal grizzly liquid metal. The other one gives awful resutls after a year, and it eats through everything
Liquid metal reacts with copper. It will degrade quickly while forming an alloy. Needs to be reapplied multiple times untill it stabilizes. Only apply liquid metal to nickel plated cooper surfaces! Else, use high performance and endurance TIM like Honeywell PTM7950
I stopped using the liquid metal for that same reason. But theres a way to reapplying it a few times until it creates a new surface but I didnt do that. It is supposed to stop eating the cpu surface this way.
So bro would you recommend me to use mx-4 on my ps4
To fix heat and fan noise?
We have online workshops for quick fix but I don't trust them
That's I've been thinking to apply it myself since I do clean it myself from time to time
Great great video, also, the process was very detailed, amasing job & good mechanic.
I used a thermal grizzly carbonaut graphite pad on my ps4 pro based on tbe recommendation of a channel on yt. Never had problems with noisy fans ever again and the exhaust vented the heat better than ever. I used noctua thermal paste before but it didn't last a day before the noise came back.
I applied MX-4 to my PS4 Pro quite recently and it's now so cool and quiet that I don't remotely feel any need to go with liquid metal.
Does it stay quiet after a few months?
@@zappa1165 yep. still whisper quiet - which makes sense. Once thermal compound is applied properly it will last for years.
I put mx6 and changed thermal pads on my spideman ps4 pro, I admit I was a bit disappointed with the results I think I had to high expectations of the pro sounding like the ps5 lol, while the console is relatively not as noisy as before the fan still kick up on more demanding games but not as loud and obnoxious( I have a nidec fan btw) like red dead 2 Detroit become human, nier automata, far cry 6, nba2k24 … it’s not whisper quiet with high demanding games but whisper quiet when playing normal games id say games not “ps4 pro enhanced” tend to run super quiet like a ps5 regardless the change with rdr2 is still noticeable for me even if it still gets pretty loud at moments in gameplay
The increase in heatsink and air temperature using liquid metal demonstrates its efficiency in dissipating heat from the CPU. 😎
thanks for the insight test sir
It was a very good comparison
This was interesting. Thanks.
Applied liquid metal to my ps4 pro 6-7 months ago. Result was great but yesterday fun went to max speed. I disassembled ps4 pro and found liquid metal became dry and penetrated into a copper cooling plate. So I spent 1hr removing "liquid" metal. Damaged mirror surface of cooling plate. Finally applied new thermal paste with highest efficiency. All is great now. Never come back to liquid metal for ps4 again
You shouldn't put LM without foam around to keep it from dropping into the motherboard
Can you do a follow up video with the liquid metal and copper reacting and drying after a while and reapplying temps performance?
It's great and all but I'd rather take the one with thermal paste. Because regardless of less heat by a few degrees it'll still perform the same anyways because of how it's designed to do.
And there is a chance that liquid metal will leak like the ps5 thermal paste is the way
@@kemaltheunbeatenThat crap was a hoax made by a french "Technitian" Liquid metal can't leak unless there is a factory error.
Thanks for reminding me that i was on How-FixIT
Thank you for the test. I've resorted to using a graphite thermal pad for my PS4. It's a one and done application, and I don't have to worry about constantly reapplying paste.
I don't know what the long term effects are like, but I haven't run into any issues in the past year.
Como es esa almohadilla
Still have to clean your system in a full breakdown or else it will clog up just like it was in the video or even worse so applying thermal paste isn't even a big deal. It's once a year. You are obviously just lazy af
All good pastes are pretty much good for like, 6 years, at least.
I’d rather use that
It’s generally a much safer, cleaner solution but there are risks to pads like those if the pad is cut too large or if it shifts too much during installation, as some of them (like TG’s Carbonaut thermal pad) are just as electrically conductive as liquid metal so the risk is just the same at the start. The benefit to thermal pads after installation is that there is no risk of potential squeeze out of material if too much is applied like with liquid metal so it’s safe after that point if installed correctly.
@Xeno Drake 10 years while not under and dependent on storage conditions and while in use the years can be up to 3 years but again depends on use usuage. I use my PS4 Pro very heavily for example and it needs to be changed every year. A chromebook for example can go many years without needing to be changed. Everything is dependent is the point.
for the accuracy of the experiment, it is necessary to fix the fan speed at the same level
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Liquid Metal works great! But after 1 year, my sons Xbox was having issues. So I went back to thermal paste, because I didn’t want to take it apart every year lol.
Efectivamente hay mejor transferencia de temperatura al disipador, lo que se mide es la temperatura de este último, si aumenta con metal liquido indica que hay mejor transferencia térmica, por lo tanto menor ruido en el ventilador y condiciones más favorables para el APU.
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entonces entiendo que el metal líquido es mucho mejor?
@@deltaoscar5711 Entiendes bien, pero es más peligroso, si se derrama puede crear un cortocircuito, por eso le hizo manicure a los transistores/capacitores que están al lado del chip/procesador/apu o como le quieras decir. En vez de manicure también se le puede pegar cinta kapton.
@@argenistorner1273 ya le he puesto el metal líquido a la play 4 Pro he tapado todo bien con plástico líquido los ventiladores apenas suenan.
Liquid metal tends to shift over time if you position your console vertically. You could coat the circuitry around it before applying it to prevent damage to those components but this will not stop the shift.
In my experience, it has been better to use a high viscosity thermal paste. Cheaper, easier to clean and reapply but I haven't had to reapply the HVTP in about two years. Whereas after 4 months of the liquid metal i had to change it because my temps went up due to shift because of keeping my console vertically.
I think the results could've been better honestly. In delidding CPUs for PC, you're told to apply LM both to the CPU die itself and to the heatspreader to help avoid pockets of non-contact since LM isn't viscous enough to really spread and reach out well enough for contact.
The liquid metal was applied to the APU surface and also to the heatsink, all shown in this video - ua-cam.com/video/zhPYlgDwsZE/v-deo.html
consoles heatsink is directly on CPU die
Pc CPUs have IHS between die and heatsink
Remember the fan RPM went considerably lower so if the RPM was maintained the temperature difference would be big, but since it uses internal Sony specs the temperatures will probably always be very similar as more heat the fan will ramp up to jumbo jet loud and low temps the fan goes down to completely silent so it will always try to stay within Sony specified range...
That was the die. Heat spreaders haven't been relevant in PlayStation consoles since the ps3 slim. After the fat ps3s, its been direct to die ever since
Most people use isolator tape (the black one) to protect the external APU, but I'm thinking to add a bit of RTV silicone just to protect the CPU surface borders and making an uniform sealing with the tape. It's a bad idea or I could do it?
Or just use Thermal Grizzly TG-Shield - amzn.to/3Jgwgfv
I'm sure Plasti-Dip/liquid electrical tape or acrylic nail polish would work fine......which is what I'm highly suspicious is exactly what the $15 Thermal Grizzly bottle is...
I'm the Terminator T-1000 and what this guy says, is legit af!
Liquid metal should also be applied to the heat sink
@@zal333 Can confirm this. Did Liquid metal application on a 2015 MacBook Pro CPU. The temperature went up crazy in less than one year, so I disassembled the machine, took out the heatsink (which was really hard to take off btw) and the LM was completely dry. Cleaned all and that’s when I discovered I cracked the CPU die removing the heatsink! Long story short, Mac specialists were asking 250$ for motherboard repair so I bought another (more powerful) motherboard from China. Perfectly working till this day, but no more LM!
Yes, I did
So it appears the liquid metal made things worse. That or there was no difference in temperatures other than the fan being "quieter" which just means they spun slower, which is definitely going to mean higher temps. Waging on the temperature difference being nothing more than the cooling system not keeping up fully yet and that there is no difference in temps between these two pastes.
Thanks the video is awesome
actually, for most accurate temp in APU, u must connect that thermometer near chip as possible
in my case when just clip it similar in video, my temp in-game vs thermometer is 15-18*C diffirent
FYI if you plan to run your console vertically paste is recommended over Liquid Metal is it will run over time
You missed the part where the liquid metal will fuse with the hs.. the PS4 Pro was not designed to have liquid metal as a cooling option
That's kind of what I thought.
In Pro it won't be a problem - it has copper baseplate and copper isn't attacked by liquid metal, it's a problem in normal and slim PS4 because entire cooler, including baseplate, is made from aluminum.
IMPORTANT: The thermal paste used in this vídeo is the vídeo MX-4 that have cure time 200 hours, after this time the temperature going down 2°C até 5°C, and after applied the paste MX-4 can during for 8 years validity
Can you explain what you are saying, why apply it again after 200 hours?
@@MGrey-qb5xzby curing he means that the paste performs the best after 200 hours of runtime. Not that you need to change it. It’ll last for upto 8 years. Wouldn’t necessarly count on that, but most likely the console will either be dead or sold before 8 years anyways :)
@@niklasniklasniklas1 well damn
Hey dude I know you’re busy with everything in life and this video might not be worth making but could you please make a quality video on which thermals are best for ps3 and which work better and maybe doing a deep console cleaning for us who haven’t played it in years just want to take it apart and clean every last thing so at least it doesn’t sound as loud and if you can please try to make the video on a original 60GB ps3 fat model anyway don’t know if you see this but thanks for the post anyway and enjoy the rest of your week and y’all be safe
never owned a console but can't believe they are over 50 db
60 db is basically screaming on top of your lungs
My ps4 never got to that levels, but sure it was quite noisy
And then i have my pc with a "no more than 20db" policy
if you are noob its less problematic to apply the paste its not like the temperature or noise are bad with the paste its much harder to clean liquid metal a specially if something goes wrong where you can just apply paste and swap it after 2 years depends how long you play.
I am no expert when it comes to cooling, airflow, temperature and whatnots, but the difference seems to be rather too minimal to be worth the extra hassle in my opinion.
For Temps yea, but I believe the noise might be worth it
@@TheHeRoofsniperI don't hear my ps4 noise cuz I always put the headphone on tho
Would you like to do a test with a high performance Brazilian thermal paste?
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I would surely like to see kryosheet in comparison to liquid metal and Thermal Paste
excellent video, what should I use to isolete the APU from the liquid metal?
Check out this video - Applying Liquid Metal to PS4 Pro ua-cam.com/video/zhPYlgDwsZE/v-deo.html
for anyone who ask for the isolation liquid - thermal grizzly has it's own solution, called THERMAL GRIZZLY TG SHIELD - also they offer a remover, if you need to remove it later.
it's specially made for protection when you use liquid metal
like the comment, so others can see it too
The only issue here is Liquid Metal is not compatible with bare copper, the Liquid Metal will disappear into it over time
You want noise reduction or lower the temp?
4 degrees difference might seem a tad trivial for the time (and money cost of materials) invested in changing out the old paste.
If the paste has never been changed before it’ll definitely be worth it then. The “old paste” isn’t old, it looks like a fresh layer of paste. On all the ps4s I’ve refurbished that have never been open up the paste has been DRY and the apu coverage is super minimal. I’ve seen one with 70% exposed apu
What was the original fan noise though?
Good video but I would of like to see it be tested with all the dust for more realistic Temps because mostly Noone opens their concole.
Did you even apply liquid metal on both cpu and cooler?
user: *liquid metal*
mgs fan: ITS NOT YET SNAKE NOT OVER YET
LM is difficult to remove/change once is dried. I wouldn't use it to gain some degrees less, not at all.
Put my LM on Pro 4+ years ago. Just opened it up again to check, still very juicy.
The same thing for my PC, I done that 5+ years ago, and I did a heavy oc to the CPU on water. I also opened it up recently, also still very juicy. Pretty sure it will only dry up if you don't apply it properly. Don't know about PS4 pro, but my PC dropped 30℃ and more. Before LM, it hit 106℃+ and PC shut down to protect itself when it start a render. After LM, 77℃ max on 100 MHz more oc.
BTW, removal is also easy. Just do it slowly. I was worried about my PC LM, so I reapplied the LM, cleaned it off and start over. Temp is the same, no change.
I tested it with a jailbroken base ps4, where you can monitor CPU temperature, and the die went from 85 degrees on stock with high fans, to 76 degrees with minimal fan.
Celsius?
yep.@@damiank9443
@@damiank9443 What do you think? 76 Fahrenheit is room temperature
@@MultiBeast301 I'm deeply sorry that in Poland we use celsius and that GPU can easily hit 80 degress.
@@damiank9443 God damn you're slow. Of course the dude is talking about Celsius. 75 Fahrenheit is close to 25 Celsius which is room temperature. To be at 75 F the pc would be off
Hi, I have an idea, silver has the highest heat transfer coefficient among metals, what happens if you mix 20% thermal paste with 80℅ pure silver Powders.
I wish someone made a video to show a building with a aio/water-cooling system compared with this
What type of liquid do you use for getting the copper components cover to getting them isolated from the liquid metal
Seem like Nail Polish
ua-cam.com/video/zhPYlgDwsZE/v-deo.html
It's liquid electrical tape
I wonder what the readings would have been with the stock PS4 Pro with the thermal paste that was applied by Sony? I watch a lot of repairing or restoration channels. I always hear that the thermal paste applied by the manufacturer is never of good quality. I know it’s not a variable that might be too significant but I wonder what the data would reveal.
The stock thermal paste of the ps4 pro probably just a regular thermal paste
Is liquid metal eternal or does it need to be changed from time to time?
Hi^^ May I ask what do you use to protect the SMD components? Is this some special hot sauce or just nail polish or something like that? Thanks :)
I have the last revision of the PS4 pro and still make pretty much the same difference, so it's safe to assume that in the PS4 pro liquid metal is useful, just be careful with the application
Is there something I dont get?How greater temperature is good?
what is the black thing you applied .can i do on my pc and graphic card also when i apply thermal liquid
Hi! I heard it's not right to spread the thermal paste cause of air bubbles.This true?
What element is that liquid metal ?
Did you actually rub LM on the copper of the cooler? Cause if you didn't, you've not applied it correctly. You apply it to both surfaces for best results.
Just put a small tower cooler on the top of the existing heatsink and the temp will stay under 40 degress all the time no matter the load. Cheers
Can you give me a link to this, and can I use it on every console?
What is the best DNS code to avoid any ps4 updates ?
What is the name of that black material you put on the PS4 processor?
What you dont say in this video is that liquid metal will leave traces on the gpu and the heatsink over time which you can't remove after. Anyone experienced in hardware will easily notice. Which means using liquid metal voids warranty.
What is the brand of conformal coasting you used!
Hi
Whats is líquid black is used in the components smd the procesador??
Thanks for Your content
Liquid metal will corrode the copper heat sink soon or later.
Which temperature sensor is it that connects to the cell phone? 😐🤔
Thanks
What do you black liquid to prevent liquid metal?
How about PS 3 slim ? Is worth it with liquid metal ?
My HDD on my pro gave out. Started getting the “Blue screen of death” and then New Year’s Day the HDD died completely. Before all that I was using Corsair TM30 thermal paste and it was garbage. I found myself reapplying it almost every month. I guess I’ll switch to Artic MX 6 or Grizzly
Burda unutmamanız gereken şey sıvı metal sahip olan ps4 pro nun daha sessiz çalışmasıdır ve ayrıca cpu frekansı daha yüksek de çalışıyor olmasıdır (önemli olan tek şey sıcaklık değildir)
What is better for ps4 slim arctic mx4 or mx5 ?
Cool, i didnt know that was possible. Now The question is if it worth The risk.
Price the liquid metal please ?
Does the liquid metal become more "liquidi" when getting hot between the processor and the heatsing so it can leak out ?
sadly yes
Whats that black stuff you put around the cpu?
whats the black stuff you used to isolate the components
Looks like black nail polish..
Boys got a question here if i apply Thermal Paste on top of a Think Graphite Layer is it will work and is it safe?
Can u do that on ps5 using kingkin thermal paste
Cause ps5 with liquid metal have Chance to leak and kill the ps5
What are you using to seal the SMDs?
Liquid tape
That's not possible. Last result over thermal less noise?
In diesen Video ist ein Fehler gemacht wurden. Das Flüssigmetall muss auf dem Chip und auf den Kühler aufgebracht werden, da Flüssigmetall sich viel dünner auftragen lässt als eine paste und dadurch der Kontakt nicht richtig hergestellt wird. Des Weiteren würde ich kein Flüssigmetall verwenden da der Kühler Oden aus kupfer besteht und das Flüssigmetall mit kupfer reagiert.
What is thst black stuff you out on the chip?
I would say that it's not worth it. With time LM would "eat" radiator and it will spill out to PCB. This will cause shortage and will break the consol.
PS5 Pro(?), next upgraded PS5 will probably have water cooling heat management. Sony is doing big performance upgrades this time too.
How is liquid metal better when the results are higher than thermal paste
at least it got quieter
Is aeronaut okay for ps4?
Give me a sec. Liquid Metal strongly interacts (chemically) with copper (which the plate in contact with the processor consists of) as far as I know. In theory, if at the end of the video they saw what happened to the radiator, it would be scary :D (correct me if I am wrong)
It only reacts with aluminum. Copper is the best choice for liquid metal
@@theqwertt8814 The best choice is nickel. It also reacts with copper, just not as quickly as with aluminum.
If sony have status realtime what cpu temperature you will know liquid metal is better that why the result on heatsink more heat than thermal paste
I don't understand liquid metal with 64 sells thermal paste was 60 so it's cooler air temperature liquid metal 56 Celsius thermal paste is 52 the only thing it did better was fan noise
I dont use mx4 on my ps4 pro.. I get better result if i use noctua thermal paste and thermal grizzly extreme version pink thermal paste..
Carbonaut give the same result but much easier to install
I like to use thermal pad.
it makes no sense to me, why is LM hotter than TP but fan noise is with TP louder than with LM, for me it would be logic, when the temps are higher the fans are louder and temps are lower, fans are quieter... hmmmm
yes but the gallium will erode and fuse with the ps4 apu
most popular paste is thermal grizzly ofc ....
Which liquid you use to isolate components?
Solder mask
At 1:11 you didn’t put the small GPU thermal pads on the black GPU squares. It’s very important
Using liquid metal on cooler with copper base long term can be a bad idea. Liquid metal overtime can seep into the copper itself and change its properties.
this video is especially for you and everyone who is confused about liquid metal - ua-cam.com/video/w7ChaNf9N-w/v-deo.html