Leto had future visions in which he saw that one of the powers namely the planets of IX would create intelligent machines with prescient vision that would search out and eliminate ALL of humanity. In order to combat this he needed to breed humans that could be invisible to these machines that used prescient vision to find them. He knew that it would take him at least 3000 years to do so. So he needed to be able to live 3000 years and the only way to do so was to fuse himself into a dune worm body. Once in this body he played a long range game keeping the other powers of IX, The Bene Gesserit, The Bene Tleilax and the Spacing Guild restricted and on a tight leash. Then once Siona was conceived he knew (because he could not see her in his prescient vision) he had done so and it nullified IX's ability to end humanity. All of Siona's descendents were also unseeable to prescient vision. He also knew that a diaspora (called the great scattering in the books) would happen as soon as he died ensuring that humans would be in so many places that it would be virtually impossible to find them all. As an addendum to this Leto kept IX around instead of destroying them to allow them to produce the limited prescient NO Ships (in other SCI-FI these would be considered Stealth Ships*) so he could eliminate the spacing guild in its entirety. * Since Stealth had not yet been a term used in sci-fi up to that time Herbert used the term NO ships or NO rooms to describe a room or area that was not visible by the dune universes normal means (vision, radar, prescient vision etc).
the question is not specific enough. what kind of worm? there is quite a difference between a disgusting poop maggot and the magnifficent spice/sand worm of arrakis
He himself became the only source of the spice during his 3000 year reign. All the sandworms died because the planet had been transformed into a wet world with plants and surface water. When Leto died his body became sandtrouts and they turned the planet back to a desert.
Actually the reintroduction of Spice after his death really only benefits the Bene Gesserit. Although it does allow a good size portion of humanity to have extended life spans typically 30 to 40 years to those that can afford the spice.
You missed a key reason for him taking on worm form and it's tied to one other thing you misstate. Leto II could have been killed by other means but he had to die near water so that his sand trout infused with his own genetic memory could restart the worm life cycle. This was an important part of his golden path and the preservation of spice production after the destruction of Dune which he foresaw.
you forgot to state that the Sandworms were dyeing, because the Atreides had joined with the Fremen they had started greening the planet which was deadly to the Sandworms
It's been a while. I thought they greened the planet save a small/massive area for Leto II to live. And his final sacrifice created a new set of larvae, with some of his genetic memory. To restart the cycle of turning the planet to desert
By transforming into a sand worm and being the last sand worm, Leto II becomes Dune. All of Dune’s arid ecosystem, all of these spiritual abilities and technologies induced by spice only exist on Dune. Leto II takes the burden of mankind, becomes transcendent and ends a cycle to restart another one. Leto’s mission does not end at his death but at the very last pages of the last book Chapterhouse Dune. It is pretty interesting to see how the author chose to associate survival in a hostile environment and the continuity of mankind, even in a super advanced technological environment.
he is a desert creature.... this sentiment from his mothers side fremen genetic memory is what made it possible for him to accept. Paul could have, he saw that path, but would not sacrifice his humanity.
Leto II gets a lot of unnecessary grief from people that think this is about good vs evil. Is Leto II actually the bad guy? Etc. Leto II primary reason for existing as long as he did was to ensure humanity’s survival. Nothing else mattered. Entire planetary systems destroyed? Of no consequence. Trillions of deaths? Inconsequential. Humanity survives no matter the cost. That is the golden path.
Precisely, to apply such black and white titles like Villain or Hero demeans the whole buildup up his character as one whose almost omnipotent levels of prescience allows him to commit actions with an almost certain outcome of good
it wasnt alia alone who used the forbidden aging halt. Jessica noted when she returned to arakis that alia and IRULAN both had not aged. IRULAN did it too. also leto ii was not invulnerable to any weapon. he was entirely vulnerable to lazers and he had a flipper-foot taken off by one and would have died except he foresaw the attack. this video has many errors also says things that were never in the books. i think the video was made by AI.
only reverend mothers transmuted the water of life. sisters were all strata. Jessica looks in the mirror to see her wrinkles and thinks about their law. she rturns to dune and alia and iruelen hadent aged in 10 years and Jessica is incensed.@alexiachimciuc3199
You are mistaken. There are many Benegesserit sisters who did not drink the Water of life like Jessica at the beggining on the series and Margo Fenring. The Water of life is given to the sisters who have the potential of becoming a Reverand Mother and when they succeed they have access to the memories of their ancestors. That has nothing to do with perventing themselves from aging like Irulan and Alia. There are many techiques which can be used even by the least skillfull Benegesserit, they are not reserved just for Reverand Mothers.
plotwise - leto maybe a dictator and oppressive ., but with meaning and ultimate goal for the better good of all humanity - he wasnt comically evil because "hes basically just a bad guy" - he has good motives that can be only achived by being a bad guy 🤔
Most authoritarians aren’t supernaturally gifted and able to see the future. He sees that mankind is destroyed in almost every future, often by thinking machines. He’s John Conner essentially and he hardens mankind to survive the future and compels them to spread across the universe to put the eggs in more baskets.
Forced into a horrible choice because of his coward father. The supossed hero Paul. I love this whole saga. The Butlarian jihad and the machine crusade created some amazing characters. Vorian, Gilbertuss, and many, many more.
It's not at all controversial, we know the story and his own internal thoughts and motivations, and even the later outcome of his golden path. He's only controversial WITHIN the story's narrative. We are the reader, not a citizen of his empire. We know he saved humanity from extinction at great personal sacrifice.
My “paul was not a hero and Herbert was upset people didn’t get that” well meaning fanboys: no you don’t understand he was the savior of man kind and led us down the golden path
Letos books are the best in the series. Pauls books are just the prologue. and everything after leto was pretty boring. also im really sad they gave Duncan to Jason Momoa. now we gotta watch that guy for the rest of the series. gonna be like 20 movies :(
Leto transformed into a worm in order to turn Rakis back into Dune and bring back the sand worms. When he fell into the river after the bridge was destroyed, the sand trouts isolated the water and desertification began.
I don’t think the narrator has actually read the novels! These “explanations “ are too simplistic. Just read the books and you don’t have to listen to this drivel.
No mention of his conscience into the sand trout resulting from death at the end of God Emperor? No mention of Sheeana? The most important bits of His long plan? -1
No man its not about power. He did this unwilling. He became a worm unwilling too only because he saw the golden path. He even died knowing he would be attacked but let it happen . People take abstract meaning from Dune but story clearly talks about prescience and inevitable destruction of humanity and tyranny and it was author who made the world wrong not the characters necessarily.
The most important reason Leto had to become a WORM is the Golden Path. The main idea of the Golden Path is that when the power that had been sufficiently suppressed bursts out, humanity, which had fallen into self-destruction due to the stagnation of the feudal system, gains enough momentum to spread and leap forward once again. And only when humanity escapes the eyes of the tyrant who sees the past and the future, will humanity have a chance to survive with true dignity. However, the lesson of the Butlerian Jihad, that is, the existence of spice that allows humanity to travel at superluminal speeds due to the dogma of human religion, which excludes thinking machines, has always brought about the advent of the Guild Navigator and the power to see the future called Quisatz Haderlock. That is why Leto II inserted his own mind, Quisatz Haderlock, into WORM as a variable so that humanity would not be able to see the future no matter how much spice they inhaled. So when he finally died from the water, the sandworm shell that made up Leto II's body scattered like a blast, turning him into a sand trout and starting a new cycle as a sandworm with Leto's factor. And after all the sandworms scattered, Leto II's human body was revealed, but it had been transformed for a long time, and it had become a hideous body with thin stick-like limbs and holes from the sandworm's ganglia. In other words, Leto's body did not disappear, but he was trapped in the sandworm for a long time, unable to eat or drink anything except the liquid provided by the sandworm! This was the peak of the tragedy, and the isolation that Leto had to endure for over 3,000 years. And when he died, his mind was completely trapped in the sandworm. This was eternal life and eternal punishment.
In dem Buch ist Leto II 9 Jahre alt, seine Schwester natürlich auch. Beide sind Vorgeborene. Mit dem Wissen von allen Vorgenerationen, bis zurück ins alte Griechenland. Dem Ursprung der Atreides. Also ist die Darstellung durch die erwachsenen Schauspieler falsch. Die Augen sollten ganz blau sein, ohne weiß.
This is what happens when people take the white savior trope to the most extreme level lol. He turned into a worm just to call himself a god and be the only one who can save humanity. Supposedly. Are there any normal people in Dune? People who like to have fun, participate in some kind of art, spend time with their families? Or is everyone a weirdo? 😂 I can’t look away though because it’s so bizarre.
@@scottchristofersen2367 Yep, so full of "I am the only one that can do it", "I must become super powerful to do it right", using religion, immortality "Look at me, I'm a god now!" and other totally narcissistic bullsh*t to "lead" (manipulate and crush) people to do what he thinks is the grand vision instead of just being a good leader for what they want/need and then stepping aside. Lots of examples of human leaders doing that in modern history, biblical history, and I'm sure prehistoric times too.
Leto had future visions in which he saw that one of the powers namely the planets of IX would create intelligent machines with prescient vision that would search out and eliminate ALL of humanity. In order to combat this he needed to breed humans that could be invisible to these machines that used prescient vision to find them. He knew that it would take him at least 3000 years to do so. So he needed to be able to live 3000 years and the only way to do so was to fuse himself into a dune worm body. Once in this body he played a long range game keeping the other powers of IX, The Bene Gesserit, The Bene Tleilax and the Spacing Guild restricted and on a tight leash. Then once Siona was conceived he knew (because he could not see her in his prescient vision) he had done so and it nullified IX's ability to end humanity. All of Siona's descendents were also unseeable to prescient vision. He also knew that a diaspora (called the great scattering in the books) would happen as soon as he died ensuring that humans would be in so many places that it would be virtually impossible to find them all.
As an addendum to this Leto kept IX around instead of destroying them to allow them to produce the limited prescient NO Ships (in other SCI-FI these would be considered Stealth Ships*) so he could eliminate the spacing guild in its entirety.
* Since Stealth had not yet been a term used in sci-fi up to that time Herbert used the term NO ships or NO rooms to describe a room or area that was not visible by the dune universes normal means (vision, radar, prescient vision etc).
NO Ships are invisible to prescient vision, so not merely stealthy.
@@dorbie I did mention that all the way down at the bottom of my comment.
his girlfriend asked "would you love me if i was a worm" and he took it literally.
"I gotchu, gurl"
the question is not specific enough. what kind of worm? there is quite a difference between a disgusting poop maggot and the magnifficent spice/sand worm of arrakis
I’m guessing Frank Herbert uttered “this is some really good s**t” multiple times while writing the Dune Novels
He lost it after the first novel. It all went totally crap.
@@SvenTvikingYour opinion, and a horrible one at that
He himself became the only source of the spice during his 3000 year reign. All the sandworms died because the planet had been transformed into a wet world with plants and surface water. When Leto died his body became sandtrouts and they turned the planet back to a desert.
Actually the reintroduction of Spice after his death really only benefits the Bene Gesserit. Although it does allow a good size portion of humanity to have extended life spans typically 30 to 40 years to those that can afford the spice.
@@sparkeyjames Didn't they need spice to navigate space or did that change?
He turned himself into a worm because by that point Herbert could afford the best Coke & Mezcal with a worm floating in the bottom of the glass.
You missed a key reason for him taking on worm form and it's tied to one other thing you misstate. Leto II could have been killed by other means but he had to die near water so that his sand trout infused with his own genetic memory could restart the worm life cycle. This was an important part of his golden path and the preservation of spice production after the destruction of Dune which he foresaw.
you forgot to state that the Sandworms were dyeing, because the Atreides had joined with the Fremen they had started greening the planet which was deadly to the Sandworms
It's been a while.
I thought they greened the planet save a small/massive area for Leto II to live.
And his final sacrifice created a new set of larvae, with some of his genetic memory. To restart the cycle of turning the planet to desert
By transforming into a sand worm and being the last sand worm, Leto II becomes Dune.
All of Dune’s arid ecosystem, all of these spiritual abilities and technologies induced by spice only exist on Dune.
Leto II takes the burden of mankind, becomes transcendent and ends a cycle to restart another one. Leto’s mission does not end at his death but at the very last pages of the last book Chapterhouse Dune.
It is pretty interesting to see how the author chose to associate survival in a hostile environment and the continuity of mankind, even in a super advanced technological environment.
he is a desert creature.... this sentiment from his mothers side fremen genetic memory is what made it possible for him to accept. Paul could have, he saw that path, but would not sacrifice his humanity.
Leto II gets a lot of unnecessary grief from people that think this is about good vs evil. Is Leto II actually the bad guy? Etc. Leto II primary reason for existing as long as he did was to ensure humanity’s survival. Nothing else mattered. Entire planetary systems destroyed? Of no consequence. Trillions of deaths? Inconsequential. Humanity survives no matter the cost. That is the golden path.
Precisely, to apply such black and white titles like Villain or Hero demeans the whole buildup up his character as one whose almost omnipotent levels of prescience allows him to commit actions with an almost certain outcome of good
it wasnt alia alone who used the forbidden aging halt. Jessica noted when she returned to arakis that alia and IRULAN both had not aged. IRULAN did it too.
also leto ii was not invulnerable to any weapon. he was entirely vulnerable to lazers and he had a flipper-foot taken off by one and would have died except he foresaw the attack. this video has many errors also says things that were never in the books. i think the video was made by AI.
Impossible. Irulan wasn't a full sister. Shen never transformed holly water.
only reverend mothers transmuted the water of life. sisters were all strata. Jessica looks in the mirror to see her wrinkles and thinks about their law. she rturns to dune and alia and iruelen hadent aged in 10 years and Jessica is incensed.@alexiachimciuc3199
You are mistaken. There are many Benegesserit sisters who did not drink the Water of life like Jessica at the beggining on the series and Margo Fenring. The Water of life is given to the sisters who have the potential of becoming a Reverand Mother and when they succeed they have access to the memories of their ancestors. That has nothing to do with perventing themselves from aging like Irulan and Alia. There are many techiques which can be used even by the least skillfull Benegesserit, they are not reserved just for Reverand Mothers.
plotwise - leto maybe a dictator and oppressive ., but with meaning and ultimate goal for the better good of all humanity - he wasnt comically evil because "hes basically just a bad guy" - he has good motives that can be only achived by being a bad guy 🤔
Unfortunately, that is the logic most authoritarian and totalitarian leaders use to convince themselves of their righteousness.
Most authoritarians aren’t supernaturally gifted and able to see the future. He sees that mankind is destroyed in almost every future, often by thinking machines. He’s John Conner essentially and he hardens mankind to survive the future and compels them to spread across the universe to put the eggs in more baskets.
@@domspernDo most leaders have an almost omnipotent sense of prescience? Lmao
Forced into a horrible choice because of his coward father. The supossed hero Paul.
I love this whole saga. The Butlarian jihad and the machine crusade created some amazing characters. Vorian, Gilbertuss, and many, many more.
It's not at all controversial, we know the story and his own internal thoughts and motivations, and even the later outcome of his golden path. He's only controversial WITHIN the story's narrative. We are the reader, not a citizen of his empire. We know he saved humanity from extinction at great personal sacrifice.
THIS
Exactlyyyyy. Half these people in the comments don’t understand this and just call him a dictator and be done with it
Each time you said "leto" I just imagined you were speaking of famous Joker actor Jared Leto.
Just so you know, it's not "see-ay-ch", it's "see-ch" for Sietch Jacurutu.
My “paul was not a hero and Herbert was upset people didn’t get that” well meaning fanboys: no you don’t understand he was the savior of man kind and led us down the golden path
Great discussion. Thank you…
Just read the book.
Well done my friend. I know this is nerd talk but that was a heck of a topic to take on. I’m not sure if I can say hell.
It's pronounced Bene JESS-erit, not GUESS-erit, do you even Dune, bro?!?
I GUESS not?
@gargoyles9999 lmao, shut up!!!
Answer: Herbert's consumption of psilocybin.
Letos books are the best in the series. Pauls books are just the prologue. and everything after leto was pretty boring.
also im really sad they gave Duncan to Jason Momoa. now we gotta watch that guy for the rest of the series. gonna be like 20 movies :(
Duncan died way more than 20 times, though... 🤣
@@Lord_Ralph its not like i hate Momoa but i dunno i just hoped Duncan would be a more interesting pick
@@uncletrasheroyeah Someone younger and not as tall.
Leto transformed into a worm in order to turn Rakis back into Dune and bring back the sand worms. When he fell into the river after the bridge was destroyed, the sand trouts isolated the water and desertification began.
I don’t think the narrator has actually read the novels! These “explanations “ are too simplistic. Just read the books and you don’t have to listen to this drivel.
…correct, as an example the book never mentions that Leto “tricked” the sand trout that he was a water reservoir.
The biggest question is, did Leto Atreides produce spice?
Leto II Atreides
I'm still saying that with the casting so far there should be a Skarsgard playing Leto
No mention of his conscience into the sand trout resulting from death at the end of God Emperor? No mention of Sheeana? The most important bits of His long plan?
-1
Pretty sure the video is AI
Did Leto actually see a future that needed a long tyranny? Or was it his lust for power lying to him?
No man its not about power. He did this unwilling. He became a worm unwilling too only because he saw the golden path. He even died knowing he would be attacked but let it happen . People take abstract meaning from Dune but story clearly talks about prescience and inevitable destruction of humanity and tyranny and it was author who made the world wrong not the characters necessarily.
The second movie sucked. Done good parts but very choppy and terrible acting
Squished by a worm >.>
The most important reason Leto had to become a WORM is the Golden Path.
The main idea of the Golden Path is that when the power that had been sufficiently suppressed bursts out, humanity, which had fallen into self-destruction due to the stagnation of the feudal system, gains enough momentum to spread and leap forward once again. And only when humanity escapes the eyes of the tyrant who sees the past and the future, will humanity have a chance to survive with true dignity.
However, the lesson of the Butlerian Jihad, that is, the existence of spice that allows humanity to travel at superluminal speeds due to the dogma of human religion, which excludes thinking machines, has always brought about the advent of the Guild Navigator and the power to see the future called Quisatz Haderlock.
That is why Leto II inserted his own mind, Quisatz Haderlock, into WORM as a variable so that humanity would not be able to see the future no matter how much spice they inhaled. So when he finally died from the water, the sandworm shell that made up Leto II's body scattered like a blast, turning him into a sand trout and starting a new cycle as a sandworm with Leto's factor.
And after all the sandworms scattered, Leto II's human body was revealed, but it had been transformed for a long time, and it had become a hideous body with thin stick-like limbs and holes from the sandworm's ganglia.
In other words, Leto's body did not disappear, but he was trapped in the sandworm for a long time, unable to eat or drink anything except the liquid provided by the sandworm!
This was the peak of the tragedy, and the isolation that Leto had to endure for over 3,000 years.
And when he died, his mind was completely trapped in the sandworm. This was eternal life and eternal punishment.
Read "God Emporor Dune" and find out in his own words.
In dem Buch ist Leto II 9 Jahre alt, seine Schwester natürlich auch. Beide sind Vorgeborene. Mit dem Wissen von allen Vorgenerationen, bis zurück ins alte Griechenland. Dem Ursprung der Atreides. Also ist die Darstellung durch die erwachsenen Schauspieler falsch. Die Augen sollten ganz blau sein, ohne weiß.
To lose himself…….literally 😅
How does one turn themself into a worm?
Cool voice btw.
So many mispronunciations that it’s near impossible to take this supposed *Dune* video seriously.
So he’s Big Worm 😂
Pretty sure his name isn't pronounced that way.
Where are the spiderman clips from
2003 dune tv series.. available on prime video
Stopped ready the series after this far fetched book.
This is what happens when people take the white savior trope to the most extreme level lol. He turned into a worm just to call himself a god and be the only one who can save humanity. Supposedly. Are there any normal people in Dune? People who like to have fun, participate in some kind of art, spend time with their families? Or is everyone a weirdo? 😂 I can’t look away though because it’s so bizarre.
Basically what goes through the mind of a guy making excuses to himself to become a dictator for his "grand vision"
Yes. You understood. At least someone else understood.
@@scottchristofersen2367 Yep, so full of "I am the only one that can do it", "I must become super powerful to do it right", using religion, immortality "Look at me, I'm a god now!" and other totally narcissistic bullsh*t to "lead" (manipulate and crush) people to do what he thinks is the grand vision instead of just being a good leader for what they want/need and then stepping aside. Lots of examples of human leaders doing that in modern history, biblical history, and I'm sure prehistoric times too.
Damn did we even read the same book? Such an immature take lmao
@@xonian916 it’s Herbert’s take as he made clear in countless interviews so… maybe you did read a different book
Is this A.I. narrated? Mispronouncing nearly every name.
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because the whole Atreides clan were all fascist assholes.
Worms get the b******
Your true reasoning is speculation and low value