I hope you don't mind me hijacking your comment section Bojan, but I am being baptised soon in Ireland and I need to find an adult white baptism robe. Has anyone here from Europe been able to find one from somewhere they could recommend, please? Thanks.
I bet there is a granny (if not YOUR actual DNA granny) at your church who would be happy to sew one for you; usually that type of thing is taken care of by the God-parents/sponsor... I think you could wear a potato-sack if you had nothing else; I don't think it would corrupt the sacrament... congratulations on your baptism! ❤️👍🥳
@@giuseppelogiurato5718 Thanks it's a small church so I think I'll be the first adult they've baptised but I was thinking of sewing one myself lol. I think you are right though. And thank you :)
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 that is a good idea. If you are not able to sew it yourself, you can look for an alb and embroider or sew a red cross at the chest and at the back.
I would already not buy them (I have yet to purchase ANY icon, real or fake) because they are too expensive and they look cheap/fake, and they are not even reproductions of famous icons... (I don't have THE "Vladimir", or THE "Axion Estin", but I have nicely-made facsimiles of the real things, acquired as gifts that were purchased from various reputable monasteries/churches/sketes, so at least they LOOK right.)
I inherited a Mosaic icon of the Theotokos from my late aunt that she acquired from a Uniate iconographer at the Vatican. It’s very beautiful but I realized I could not depend on a Roman Blessing anymore (since my conversion), so I immediately had my local priest give it a proper blessing. I cherish it now as the center piece of my Icon Corner. It’s also very expensive. I think it cost her $400.
It's the craziest thing that I would see promos of Monastery Icons in passing , and it just made me feel ....weird . Almost like an anxious nausea , because someone about it never sat right with me . Now I know ...
My wife, on a cruise to Barbados, saw in a market there carved icons of the Theotokos, and she said they had a terrible vibe about them. Voodoo and related cults tend to incorporate Christian symbols, and she she was certain this was one such.
Sigh. Rome’s never taken competent responsibility for screwing up the missionary work for the ex slaves of Haiti, Jamaica and New Orleans. However, Oriental Orthodox have nearly taken over Jamaica, albeit strangely quietly. While still in error regarding Chalcedon, they are far and away the lesser heresy as they don’t tolerate voodoo at all, especially Paganizing icons. Jamaica is thriving. Poor, confused Haiti, just have misfortune after misfortune from dabbling with so many demons, not to mention falling victim to even worse witches, like the Rodham family and Clinton foundation. If Voodoo worked reliably, an army of zombies would have taken her down years ago after what she pulled.
Everytime I had to find icons to use for my orthodox page posts, something stopped me from choosing "Monastery Icons" and I didn't know why. I just passed through when I came across them. Now I fully understand it... God works in mysterious ways.
My wife is very spiritually aware. We came into possession of one and she immediately felt creeped out by it. A few months later we found out the truth. We had our priest burn it immediately after we realized they weren’t Christian. And I had a friend who had one after me so I had to tell him what was wrong with them also. GET RID OF THEM! Thanks for this video, Bojan.
@@Loopy-hk4xg actually, I have since learned that the reason some of their icons look creepy and cold is that they were partly created by a computer program. So I was right that they feel creepy and cold, but it's not because of their ceremonies.
I remember when I first came into the Church 8 years ago I told my priest I was gonna get one of their icons and I got flat out told no. My priest was very soft spoken but wow he got straight like no and when he told me why it made so much since.
I have always avoided Monastery Icons simply for their more or less kitsch, sterile art style. But then I heard that they were cursed and that we should not buy them which caught my attention, and now I’ve watched your video and it all makes sense. Хвала, Боjане!
I always buy icons from Legacy Icons. They don't have any dirt on them and are pretty legit. (They also sent me candy when i ordered an icon of OL of Perpetual Help)
I agree that there is something "off" about these images... When we see people like "Joan of Arc" and "Francis of Assisi" and "Teresa of Avila" depicted in a cheap pseudo-Byzantine manner, (they do look computer-generated, now that it's been mentioned), there should definitely be some sort of examination and exposure, as this video does very well... I'm glad that all the icons in my house are authentically Orthodox, even if I myself am not.
Greek Uniate iconography follows all the same rules as Orthodox. Of course, Orthodox should only use ones depicting Western Saints in full halo if they reposed before the Schism, although I’m open to ones who reposed before 1204 if the icon lacks a halo. I regard that era as a grey period. But like the One of the Theotokos I inherited from my Roman Catholic Aunt, a beautiful mosaic, I simply had it blessed right away, and now is a centerpiece of my icon corner.
There are blasphemous “icons” on Etsy of Judas Iscariot and Flying Spaghetti Monster, the style they’re done in looks suspiciously similar to the Monastery Icon style. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same people selling them.
I can understand this becaause I ordered one from etsy and later saw that the artist also did "icons" of lucifer!!! I destroyed the images but it was too hard to imagine burning a picture of Yeshua and His Holiest Mother.
@@frankperrella1202 You are so wrong. There are Rosaries with upside down crosses, miraculous medals with freemason signs on them and all sorts of crap. Be careful! Ask Saint Michael to open your eyes to the spiritual dangers you might not be aware of.
I actually have a hard time disposing of ANYTHING that has a picture of Christ or Theotokos or a Saint on it... Sometimes the Jehova Witness guys leave pamphlets on my doorstep, and even though I know that the extremely Nordic-looking Jesus depicted on their trash is not the same as an icon, I still feel bad when I throw it in the trash... I know, it's silly, but I do.
We adore God. Jesus is the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity. The Trinity is in us and around us. Holy pictures are there to remind us of God. So there is no need to keep all the holy pictures you have. No sin, no disrespect when you throw them away. You can, say take them to church and leave them on the pews, perhaps someone might be interested in taking them. I’m publishing a weekly UA-cam video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you
As a convert I'd never heard of this site. I checked with my priest to be sure I got icons from an acceptable source...he was emphatic in his reply "stay far, far away from this site" I wasn't sure exactly why until your video. Thank you!
I had no idea any of this was going on. This is what you point to when your Protestant friends ask why we bless or exorcise our holy things! My prayers go out to all those who may be exposed to this evil. Our help is in the Name of the Lord, who made Heaven and Earth +
Haven’t seen an update from you for awhile. I’ve got this idea for making videos pertaining to the Western Orthodox liturgy of the hours, to fill in the gaps that Father Patrick Cardine does not have time for. He always does Lauds, and now usually does vespers, so what I had in mind is maybe some of us could get together to fill in the gaps for the remaining six daily prayers. We could have six people, one who does Matins, another Prime, another Terce, another Sext, yet another None, and finally someone would do Compline. Compline changes very seldom and is short, so the person in charge of that would also do research in advance into which Saints we should focus on, perhaps keeping in touch with Cardine so that we always follow the same Saint of the day. Matins is so long, that we might need to divide it between two people, one does the Psalms, the other does the lessons and hymn of the day. We then start a special Western Orthodox Hours channel and upload our videos there, in the correct order, with a Link to Saint Patrick’s Orthodox for the Lauds and vespers, or ask Father Patrick if we can mirror his on ours. What do you think?
Had any idea what was going on. This guy didn't say anything in this video. He alludes to a controversy but never says what it was. You people are insane
@Annabelle Haibt ok, please stop harassing Orthodox Christian’s with heresy. Iconoclasm was deemed a heresy in Nicea 787. Iconoclasm is dangerous. They are not graven images, we do not worship the depictions. The icons depict those who lived godly lives before us. They are holy because of God. Please know that you’re trying to argue against a Christian practice that is thousands of years old. That is all. Have a blessed day
Thank you for putting this out brother, had no clue these cursed icons were a thing. Also Love that you used Phantasmagoria's opening music, it worked out nicely
I originally noticed this when I had gone to the store to buy one of those ubiquitous glass Catholic Saint prayer candles for my mother who is Catholic (I was raised Catholic but am converting to Orthodoxy now). As I was selecting a candle i noticed right alongside the candles of Christian saints, Mary, and Jesus, were New Age candles for spells and luck and other occult practices. I picked one from each section up and read the labels, and of course both types were made by the manufacturer called Light of Christ (which I came to find out later is in fact the orginal name of the organization behind Monestary Icons.) I was horrified to see that the candles that were used by countless devout Catholics in their prayer life were produced by the same company that produced occult products. After that I did a lot of research and study about the ways that other occult and pagan groups and traditions have adopted Christian saints and imagery to use in their own spiritual prayer, and even to "mask" their pagan religious practices behind Christian symbols and names so that they can continue to worship their pagan gods in secret when they live in predominantly Christian cultures. (This is very prominent in Central America and in the practices of whichcraft spiritually like Santoria in Latin American communities in the US.). It definitely made me realize I had to be discerning and careful about where I got my religious items from. I mean, ALL of the little palm reader and "psychic" reader shops in my area have Mary and Jesus statues right in their front yards. Those objects are NOT holy, they are satanic and created as such! So creepy and unnerving.
Thank you for making this video. When we became Orthodox (America) 7 years ago, no one told us about this group and they were among the first results in a google search. Our first set of Christ and Theotokos came from them as did my Saint Mary Magdalene icon. Later we found out the true nature of this group and I went to my Priest (a different one than the one who blessed the icons and didn't know or didn't tell us) to ask what to do. He said since they were blessed they were fine to use, but he did say they always unsettle him. Something about the eyes, he said. He said if we wanted we could burn them. So.. for years I have struggled with these. They were up for a long time, mainly because of the pressure I got put under by other parishioners. Most were of the opinion that if they were blessed I shouldn't worry. Eventually I took them all down. Its not that I am afraid of them, but that every time I look at them I think of this group and it pollutes my prayer time. I often feel like my faith is weak that I can't just "get over it" and have faith in the blessing. I do have faith in the blessing. Its the purity that is at issue. So now they sit in a stack and I feel weird about burning them because they were blessed, but I don't know what to do with them otherwise. It is so strange how conflicted I've been over these dumb pictures.
Signatures on icons tradition was started by Angelos Akotantos (Greek: Άγγελος Ακοτάντος) who was a Greek Master Iconographer from 15th century. 'Through the hands of Angelos'. So, it is not unknown.
The actor who plays Jesus in The Chosen recently did a talk on Divine Mercy. He held up a Divine Mercy Icon from Monastery Icons. I don’t think he realized it was from that company. He said he found it by the mailboxes of his then apartment complex. Someone should let him know what he is accidentally promoting. This company is currently located in Stevens Point, WI. The talk I’m speaking of was seen on UA-cam.
The actor that plays Jesus in The Chosen said on interview that he started attending a Roman Catholic Church because there were no Orthodox Churches where he moved. I’m not sure how much he actually knows. He always struck me as Protestant as well. He’s always felt kind of off to me. I’m sure he’s a great guy but I guess my point is that I’m not sure he really understands or possibly cares that much about the spiritual implications of promoting their icons and what not.
Indeed madness. Their cult leader has reinvented their theology multiple times, and the cultists go with it. Seriously, they used call their cult the "Gnostic Orthodox Monastery", "The Light of Christ Monastery", among others. Their leader calls himself The Swami, as according to him he is the reincarnation an ancient Hindu swami and also the reincarnation of a Roman Catholic bishop in the Middle Ages. I am not even joking. Fr. Anthony Nelson wrote a good write-up of their bizarre beliefs and obsession with attaching themselves to Orthodox Christianity.
I have a triptych from monastery Icons that my priest gifted to me, we had both heard that there was this sort of weird un-christian thing going on, but never knew if it was true or to what extent. I will speak with him and have him deal with it in whatever manner he sees fit.
I came here because a lot of my icons are from Monastery Icons... I needed to hear it... They specifically told me that the icons were not blessed and that I have to get them blessed by a priest... Edit: I checked... Only ONE ICON that I have is from them... My only Icon of my patron that costed me a ton of money to ship it... Somehow the fact that the company is evil explains a lot why they cost so much, compared to the ones bought from a monastery here in Poland...
@@James-en1ob I always get my icons blessed by the priest. That is a no-brainer. But I did notice they are weirdly not-orthodox. I just thought they are Greek Catholics at first, but it is even weirder to be a "Syncretist Church"... I didn't know Syncretism is a religion in itself...
Protestant here. All my icons come from Crete and are hand-painted. I'm familiar with the catalogue, and regrettably, we have a large icon of St John the Baptist from this firm hanging by our baptismal font.
i already sense something 'not made by hands' since the first time i saw their icons. I never favour their icons because of the style and 'uncanonical' factors in their icons such as smiles which is very creepy for an icon. I just heard about the rituals that they do, maybe i will search more about it. Thankyou verymuch, Father Bojan.
Several years ago we cleaned out the monastery icons that were in the bookstore at the church where is our icon workshop is. I burned them in my wood stove.
She isnt a true saint, she is catholic, the icon literally looks so creepy, also theres a rosary its just all catholic stuff you know. her icon is the most scariest tho
Yeah from the moment I saw the art style of their icons I knew there was something suspicious, it’s all very creepy and off putting compared to traditional Byzantine iconography
@@BanterWithBojan thank you, don't listen to Gnostic Theist. I asked my pastor to bless the icons he said no, I'll ask a few more pastors. If not I'll ask my Orthodox friends if their priest will bless them.
Interesting to see this now. As I been looking for icons and saw them and they just looked off to me and then I started to seeing comments and reviews of them.
They may have removed the links from the Monastery Icons website, but they are still associated with the "Light of Spirit Monastery" (renamed to avoid the association with the former name) and the Atma Jyoti Ashram that calls itself "Original Christianity Original Yoga", "Sacred Visions Art" and "Light of the Spirit Press" I decided not to provide links to these websites, but they are still the same organization, and still the same person George Burke / Swami Nirmalananda Giri (Who now calls himself an Abbot according to the "Original Christianity Original Yoga" website)
I was wandering about them because that were so cheap and I'm on a budget and just getting into orthodoxy. Thank you for sharing. I will just save for legacy icons ☦️
Whenever i search up icons they show up, and i've always felt something was "of" about them (even for someone who's new to iconography, like me). Now I know why.
I found this video because I was about to make a purchase on the site, but had a feeling to check out the about us section on their website, and was suspicious, so I thought I'd Google it.
My local Ukrainian Catholic Church, probably 50 years ago, but tons of these things to cover their walls and icons for a low price I imagine. When I first noticed what they were on my second visit, I suggested to one of them, a man, that they should be burnt. This man vehemently disagreed with me. Considering how much incense has been poured on them over the past 50 years, I suspect they are mostly harmless these days, but you can still identify them. I've mostly gotten over it, but it is nevertheless troubling.
Thank you Bojan. I bought several of these icons a couple years ago without knowing any better and I was horrified after i found out about the company, but I didn't know what to do with them. I had thought about burning them, but Its Christ and the Theotokos so it feels really weird to burn an icon of them. But I also don't want something with some non Christian religious ceremony done on it in my house, so that's the best option.
9:57 I'm not well-versed in the rules of making icons. What are the issues with this image? I assume it's her posture and her smiling, but are there other things I'm missing here?
I watched this video hoping for more information about Monastery icons. I had purchased some of their icons not being able to find them from other sources. When I found out they were improper from a chance reading on the web, I consulted with the Orthodox, Eastern Catholics and Roman Catholics. Although one could burn them, the decision was made to "exorcise" them and then bless them. BOTH needed to be done. If I found I was still uncomfortable with these icons, I could still burn them. I was also instructed NOT to purchase any more icons from this place. Also, the style of the icon just does not match the caliber of a true Byzantine or Slavic icon.
A (second) question *gasp* : how much does the manner in which we depict saints matter, or the Theotokos or Christ? I don't mean breaking iconographic conventions, but rather, depicting Jesus without a beard or with short hair for example. For figures whose likeness we have a good idea of I can understanding sticking to something relatively accurate, but how much does accuracy actually matter? I'm also thinking of icons of Saint Constantine for example, who likely had short hair and no beard, yet is depicted with Christ-like hair and beard much of the time.
The inscription is what counts and makes an icon an icon, I believe Bible Illustrated once said that if a stick figure had the inscription of the mother of God, it would be an icon of the mother of God.
I have always made the point of getting my icons from monasteries I visit, or through commissioning them from an iconographer I know personally (the only way for some obscure saints, and a good place to check the canonical ness of any icon). Although I will occasionally get icons from Charity shops or markets to bring them back into proper use (they are always once I can recognise as proper icons). It is always good however to know what and who to avoid.
If u bless the icon and u hire priest or something to bless it or u bless it can’t u still have them I know u said in video u can if u bless them but how do I need to hire a priest to bless them ?
(Potentially) dumb question: let's say that you somehow procured one of these "monastery icons" and added it to your icon corner at home/work, etc., without either destroying it or having it blessed by a priest. What sort of effect would that have on both you and the environment around you? What could happen to you?
@@shivambhattacharya3039 What is up with all this superstitous talk... As if someone taking the time to construct a prayer corner to offer praise to the Lord Jesus Christ (without knowing the icon might be from a problematic source) would get totally rekt by some demon because some random Hindu said some of his stuff over it... I get not supporting people who profain holy icons, but to suggest that even touching one opens one up to certain ruin is bordering on blasphemy in my opinion
@@Bellg no just touching it will not do anything, but keeping it in your corner, can defile it because you offer incense to it, the incense is not going to Christ but to the demon
@Annabelle Haibt you are taking things out of their context. We venerate christian images, we don’t worship icons like pagans did or the hebrews did to the golden calf. Even the arc of the old covenant had two cherubim statues. Get good.
@@shivambhattacharya3039Isn’t that the problem Paul was addressing in 1 Corinthians 8:6 when addressing about buying meat dedicated to pagan gods, he effectively said,” okay so, they don’t exist it’s fine.”
I remember when I was first looking into Orthodoxy and Icons, I was looking for an Eastern styled icon of my patron Saint, St. Anthony de Padua/Lisboa, and Monastery Icons popped up with one. I googled them and could not find a good thing about them.
@@nuzzi6620 Nothing, it implies that I am Catholic but enjoy eastern icons. Just like Bojan mentions on the video, the business he speaks about has Eastern styled icons of non-Orthodox Saints, especially those from Roman Catholicism, such as my patron saint St. Anthony of Padua, whose patron saint in his life was actually St. Anthony the Great. According to the Orthodox priest at Nikolaido Cathedral near my home, should I become Orthodox, I would be able to keep the name Anthony, just switch from "the Padua" to "the Great", pick another such as St. Augustine of Hippo, or have Bishop Daniel of Tokyo choose one for me.
I didn't know about Monastery Icons and I received one as a gift. I got it blessed like I would any sacramental, but later I learned about their pagan background and the "prayers" they do over them. Even though it had been blessed, I still decided to burn it. I didn't need it and I didn't want to give it away either.
Thank you for this. Was just searching (not goog) for icons from a monastery and that was the main place that showed up as you mentioned. Our Lord was guiding me tonight. There are other articles out there also about the place BIH describes.
I accidently ordered one of their icons, I was unable to cancel the order. I blessed it (as a deacon) with holy water and incense, and am making sure to not use them again in the future.
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This is Monastery Icons, but there is another website called OrthodoxMonasteryIcons.com. I assume that one is ok to buy from. Their icons are made by the nuns at a SC monastery. Let me know!
Thanks for the information. The music playing as the pictures of the icons are displayed is really creepy!!! 😂 It creates the desired effect; feeling of impending doom.
Bro I'm from Brazil and I'm only 14 years old, I don't have money to buy or make an icon, so I drew one and painted it, Teotoco and two of Christ, I made one of pantokrator today, But now that I saw that the image I used as a reference was from the monastery icons, is there something wrong with that? It was splendid and it looks like it was divine, it was not the same as the reference, it was more Byzantine or Greek I would say, it literally looks like it was God who changed the style of the drawing, but since I used this weird icon to reference on Google, is there something wrong? Please answer me
Legacy Icons is run by Orthodox Christians in West Michigan, someone from my Parish works there and the founder is a photographer who converted to Orthodoxy after being hired to take photos of the icons at St. Nicholas Orthodox Church in Grand Rapids, MI after being struck by the beauty of the icons. I also get icons from Uncut mountain supply, and parish bookstores and *actual* monasteries are also great places to get icons.
At first I thought this was some sort of joke. Yikes! I am not very familiar with Icons (I do not come from an Orthodox background) how can I tell which are which? I understand if they are signed that they are not authentic, but does anyone have other specific tips? Thanks!
Oof. I have a couple of icons of my patron saint from them. I haven't had any issues or any bad vibes with them. They look nice, but then again I'm not an icon expert. What do?
But what is this "Monastery Icons"? Something like a brand? Because in the beginning i got it literally. I mean, could monasteries from Mt. Athos for example be evil? So, lets say i received one as a gift. How could i tell they are not ok? What are the signs and the symbolisms in that make them be visibly wrong?
What if I printed the Icons of Christ and the Theotokos, and they got blessed only by my Parish. Do I still have to burn them? even though they are not blessed by any pagan stuff?
I received one and got it blessed. It still bothered me so I plan on fully burning it. What should I tell my priest. My concern is if it profaned anything for it’s blessing being in the Sanctuary. I do feel better now that I have removed it from my room. Thank you brother. In Christ Mark.
Man so I got one of theirs before seeing this video and I had a spiritual experience (unceasing weeping from the presence of God) in front of my icon of Christ “the light of the world” and it holds a very special place in my heart. Weird to think the source of this important icon to me came from is controversial in a theological way.
some of the examples at the end bear striking resemblance to icons of Jesus and Mary that i just bought from my church, which they in turn had bought from legacy icons. either monastery is knocking off legacy, or legacy isn't as reputable as i keep hearing they are. hopefully, it's the former.
I am not sure any Orthodox would consider this site Orthodox and therefore I can't understand why they would use it. It feels Catholic as so many of the saints and depictions of Christ come from the Catholic tradition. Perhaps this is a battle better fought by Catholics whose devotional life is more affected by the trickery.
So my church has about 20 of these icons from there but we are going to get new ones from a orthodox company. but how do we get rid of them? Do we just hide them in storage?
Not a bad solution. Or simply burn them. That isn't an impious act, damaged icons are disposed of in such a manner. Again, I wouldn't go too far, it does not mean that these icons are magically bad in some way... but it does tend to make people get them more because they get used to the style. :-)
@@BanterWithBojan at first I liked the style they where done in then I learned about them and released my church had them but we are working on replacing them but then again it feels wrong burning icons and thanks for telling me
Thank you for this video. I am not at all versed with icons. I totally agree that Catholics are especially vulnerable as icons are somewhat fashionable for us now. There are many paintings that look a bit like icons, but don't follow the traditional Eastern designs, colours etc. I am not versed with icons, but l have a bit of an art historian understanding. So, l can tell that there are paintings that "mock" icons. I think l have already seen the icons you are talking about because l thought about purchasing an icon, but have deemed them rather crappy. Thank you for the warning.
Now I am afraid to buy icons. I know the look of them now, but I am nervous. Is there a way to know for sure if I buy on eBay? I was looking at one from Russia.
As a Catholic, they have a very beautiful looking Christ the King Crucifix Icon but I’m always weary of the site. I haven’t ordered it mainly for that reason
Despite them saying New Age/Hindu prayers and stuff over them (which is a big no no), I don't think that makes them inherently evil nor that they have some power over a practitioner. Just bring awareness to this business/their practice, don't support their business, throw away/burn any icons you've gotten from them, and move on. Sometimes I feel people give superstitions and other religions way too much power, but obviously don't support this business in any form. What they do is extremely dishonest, however, and that makes me very angry. >:(
@@l21n18 Absolutely. I do believe they may give off bad vibes because of where they came from, but it's not like one day you're going to wake up and be possesed. Just talk to your priest or get rid of them, and then speak the truth as to what this business does. Simple as that.
I'm so happy I stumbled upon this video. I was gifted a box of icons by a Catholic Deacon and I think some of them are these monestary ones. I'm going to go through all of them now and ask that my husband burn them!!! I don't want to take any chances
I bought a matching set of these before I knew what they were (before I was baptized) and had them blessed on the altar by my priest. When I was baptized, one of their icons of the Resurrection was given to me by the Deacon. What do I do with these?
See my longer comment above. I have struggled with this question for years. Right now they sit in a stack. Why don't I burn them? Honest answer: Feeling like everyone around me will think I've gone off the rails. No one else thinks they are a problem if they've been blessed. I can't seem to overcome the way they haunt me, no matter how much I try. Its been 7 years and I still angst over it.
@@MerryMaggie Merry this is the exact goal of those demonic spells that have been put on them. You need to fix this problem..... right here and now right away. it has been SEVEN years. You need to burn them ASAP! and move on. May the prayers and the protection of our Most Holy Theotokos be with you.
I guess I'm part of that middle group that doesn't fit into either category. I don't know what's going on, I just hope everyone has a good (and non-heretical) time. In all seriousness, though, where are places that we can look for Icons that are Orthodox-friendly?
I hope you don't mind me hijacking your comment section Bojan, but I am being baptised soon in Ireland and I need to find an adult white baptism robe. Has anyone here from Europe been able to find one from somewhere they could recommend, please? Thanks.
Aww Bojan you are so kind for pinning! :)
I bet there is a granny (if not YOUR actual DNA granny) at your church who would be happy to sew one for you; usually that type of thing is taken care of by the God-parents/sponsor... I think you could wear a potato-sack if you had nothing else; I don't think it would corrupt the sacrament... congratulations on your baptism! ❤️👍🥳
@@giuseppelogiurato5718 Thanks it's a small church so I think I'll be the first adult they've baptised but I was thinking of sewing one myself lol. I think you are right though. And thank you :)
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 that is a good idea. If you are not able to sew it yourself, you can look for an alb and embroider or sew a red cross at the chest and at the back.
@@andreasr2454 I was wondering if they had to be plain or was embroidery good. Cool.
An important thing I didn't emphasize in the video:
DO NOT go like "Oh I'll buy them and bless them." Don't support them. Don't let the evil continue.
I would already not buy them (I have yet to purchase ANY icon, real or fake) because they are too expensive and they look cheap/fake, and they are not even reproductions of famous icons... (I don't have THE "Vladimir", or THE "Axion Estin", but I have nicely-made facsimiles of the real things, acquired as gifts that were purchased from various reputable monasteries/churches/sketes, so at least they LOOK right.)
Especially since reasonably priced print icons are available from so many other outlets.
I inherited a Mosaic icon of the Theotokos from my late aunt that she acquired from a Uniate iconographer at the Vatican. It’s very beautiful but I realized I could not depend on a Roman Blessing anymore (since my conversion), so I immediately had my local priest give it a proper blessing. I cherish it now as the center piece of my Icon Corner. It’s also very expensive. I think it cost her $400.
It's the craziest thing that I would see promos of Monastery Icons in passing , and it just made me feel ....weird . Almost like an anxious nausea , because someone about it never sat right with me . Now I know ...
We don't have that in the Catholic church my brother 🙏😇🗝️🗝️💯 Catholic 📖🛡️⚔️😇
My wife, on a cruise to Barbados, saw in a market there carved icons of the Theotokos, and she said they had a terrible vibe about them. Voodoo and related cults tend to incorporate Christian symbols, and she she was certain this was one such.
Sigh. Rome’s never taken competent responsibility for screwing up the missionary work for the ex slaves of Haiti, Jamaica and New Orleans. However, Oriental Orthodox have nearly taken over Jamaica, albeit strangely quietly. While still in error regarding Chalcedon, they are far and away the lesser heresy as they don’t tolerate voodoo at all, especially Paganizing icons. Jamaica is thriving.
Poor, confused Haiti, just have misfortune after misfortune from dabbling with so many demons, not to mention falling victim to even worse witches, like the Rodham family and Clinton foundation.
If Voodoo worked reliably, an army of zombies would have taken her down years ago after what she pulled.
Everytime I had to find icons to use for my orthodox page posts, something stopped me from choosing "Monastery Icons" and I didn't know why. I just passed through when I came across them. Now I fully understand it... God works in mysterious ways.
Does this also pertain to phone cases ?
My wife is very spiritually aware. We came into possession of one and she immediately felt creeped out by it. A few months later we found out the truth. We had our priest burn it immediately after we realized they weren’t Christian. And I had a friend who had one after me so I had to tell him what was wrong with them also. GET RID OF THEM! Thanks for this video, Bojan.
I also felt creeped out by them. The eyes look cold and lifeless to me, most of them anyway. Creepy like that.
if i have an icon from them and an easel from them should i burn the easel too?
@@cmtxmeltown3546maybe
@@Loopy-hk4xg actually, I have since learned that the reason some of their icons look creepy and cold is that they were partly created by a computer program. So I was right that they feel creepy and cold, but it's not because of their ceremonies.
I remember when I first came into the Church 8 years ago I told my priest I was gonna get one of their icons and I got flat out told no. My priest was very soft spoken but wow he got straight like no and when he told me why it made so much since.
I have always avoided Monastery Icons simply for their more or less kitsch, sterile art style. But then I heard that they were cursed and that we should not buy them which caught my attention, and now I’ve watched your video and it all makes sense. Хвала, Боjане!
I always buy icons from Legacy Icons. They don't have any dirt on them and are pretty legit. (They also sent me candy when i ordered an icon of OL of Perpetual Help)
You mean Theotokos of the Passion?
What you mentioned is papist.
@@gobucs3146i do go to a Catholic Church.
@@gobucs3146they sell roman catholic and eastern orthodox icons
@@gobucs3146 what could possibly be wrong with the title Mother of Perpetual Help?!
@@amg2598it’s not the correct name. It’s papist.
I agree that there is something "off" about these images... When we see people like "Joan of Arc" and "Francis of Assisi" and "Teresa of Avila" depicted in a cheap pseudo-Byzantine manner, (they do look computer-generated, now that it's been mentioned), there should definitely be some sort of examination and exposure, as this video does very well... I'm glad that all the icons in my house are authentically Orthodox, even if I myself am not.
Greek Uniate iconography follows all the same rules as Orthodox. Of course, Orthodox should only use ones depicting Western Saints in full halo if they reposed before the Schism, although I’m open to ones who reposed before 1204 if the icon lacks a halo. I regard that era as a grey period. But like the One of the Theotokos I inherited from my Roman Catholic Aunt, a beautiful mosaic, I simply had it blessed right away, and now is a centerpiece of my icon corner.
@@eldermillennial8330what about "sacred heart" icons
There are blasphemous “icons” on Etsy of Judas Iscariot and Flying Spaghetti Monster, the style they’re done in looks suspiciously similar to the Monastery Icon style. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same people selling them.
I can understand this becaause I ordered one from etsy and later saw that the artist also did "icons" of lucifer!!! I destroyed the images but it was too hard to imagine burning a picture of Yeshua and His Holiest Mother.
I would sooner figure that its just a similar form of computer print that is used to lazily mass produce them
We Don't have that in the Catholic church 🛐🗝️🗝️💯 Catholic ⚔️🛡️📖🛐
@@frankperrella1202 You are so wrong. There are Rosaries with upside down crosses, miraculous medals with freemason signs on them and all sorts of crap. Be careful! Ask Saint Michael to open your eyes to the spiritual dangers you might not be aware of.
@@tanjagantner6685 I agree the Freemasons are all Over I hate them & the NWO
I actually have a hard time disposing of ANYTHING that has a picture of Christ or Theotokos or a Saint on it... Sometimes the Jehova Witness guys leave pamphlets on my doorstep, and even though I know that the extremely Nordic-looking Jesus depicted on their trash is not the same as an icon, I still feel bad when I throw it in the trash... I know, it's silly, but I do.
I believe the correct thing to do is to either burn it yourself, or have your priest burn it.
You could have it exorcised and blessed, if you already own one.
We adore God. Jesus is the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity. The Trinity is in us and around us. Holy pictures are there to remind us of God. So there is no need to keep all the holy pictures you have. No sin, no disrespect when you throw them away. You can, say take them to church and leave them on the pews, perhaps someone might be interested in taking them. I’m publishing a weekly UA-cam video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you
Same
How I’m feeling right now with burning a Book of Mormon a friend gave me.
As a convert I'd never heard of this site. I checked with my priest to be sure I got icons from an acceptable source...he was emphatic in his reply "stay far, far away from this site" I wasn't sure exactly why until your video. Thank you!
I had no idea any of this was going on. This is what you point to when your Protestant friends ask why we bless or exorcise our holy things! My prayers go out to all those who may be exposed to this evil. Our help is in the Name of the Lord, who made Heaven and Earth +
Haven’t seen an update from you for awhile.
I’ve got this idea for making videos pertaining to the Western Orthodox liturgy of the hours, to fill in the gaps that Father Patrick Cardine does not have time for. He always does Lauds, and now usually does vespers, so what I had in mind is maybe some of us could get together to fill in the gaps for the remaining six daily prayers. We could have six people, one who does Matins, another Prime, another Terce, another Sext, yet another None, and finally someone would do Compline. Compline changes very seldom and is short, so the person in charge of that would also do research in advance into which Saints we should focus on, perhaps keeping in touch with Cardine so that we always follow the same Saint of the day.
Matins is so long, that we might need to divide it between two people, one does the Psalms, the other does the lessons and hymn of the day.
We then start a special Western Orthodox Hours channel and upload our videos there, in the correct order, with a Link to Saint Patrick’s Orthodox for the Lauds and vespers, or ask Father Patrick if we can mirror his on ours.
What do you think?
@@eldermillennial8330 I'm *very* interested in doing this. Feel free to email me at celestinemarie00@gmail.com so we can coordinate.
Had any idea what was going on. This guy didn't say anything in this video.
He alludes to a controversy but never says what it was.
You people are insane
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He said in the video he would leave links with more details, and he did.
I'm Catholic I only buy icons from Printery House, Uncut Mountain Icon Supply, Legacy Icons and St Joseph Orthodox School.
Dormition Skete in Buena Vista Colorado has the best icons.
Same. Legacy Icons is awesome. Havent heard of the others, I’ll check em out. another Catholic customer 😂
Do you know a place that has Western style saints/devotions besides monastery icons
@Annabelle Haibt do you have a cross or a Bible?
@Annabelle Haibt ok, please stop harassing Orthodox Christian’s with heresy. Iconoclasm was deemed a heresy in Nicea 787. Iconoclasm is dangerous. They are not graven images, we do not worship the depictions. The icons depict those who lived godly lives before us. They are holy because of God. Please know that you’re trying to argue against a Christian practice that is thousands of years old. That is all. Have a blessed day
Thank you for putting this out brother, had no clue these cursed icons were a thing. Also Love that you used Phantasmagoria's opening music, it worked out nicely
I originally noticed this when I had gone to the store to buy one of those ubiquitous glass Catholic Saint prayer candles for my mother who is Catholic (I was raised Catholic but am converting to Orthodoxy now). As I was selecting a candle i noticed right alongside the candles of Christian saints, Mary, and Jesus, were New Age candles for spells and luck and other occult practices. I picked one from each section up and read the labels, and of course both types were made by the manufacturer called Light of Christ (which I came to find out later is in fact the orginal name of the organization behind Monestary Icons.) I was horrified to see that the candles that were used by countless devout Catholics in their prayer life were produced by the same company that produced occult products. After that I did a lot of research and study about the ways that other occult and pagan groups and traditions have adopted Christian saints and imagery to use in their own spiritual prayer, and even to "mask" their pagan religious practices behind Christian symbols and names so that they can continue to worship their pagan gods in secret when they live in predominantly Christian cultures. (This is very prominent in Central America and in the practices of whichcraft spiritually like Santoria in Latin American communities in the US.). It definitely made me realize I had to be discerning and careful about where I got my religious items from. I mean, ALL of the little palm reader and "psychic" reader shops in my area have Mary and Jesus statues right in their front yards. Those objects are NOT holy, they are satanic and created as such! So creepy and unnerving.
what if u already have one that is the same picture but not from them? If I bless it will it be fine?
Thank you for making this video. When we became Orthodox (America) 7 years ago, no one told us about this group and they were among the first results in a google search. Our first set of Christ and Theotokos came from them as did my Saint Mary Magdalene icon. Later we found out the true nature of this group and I went to my Priest (a different one than the one who blessed the icons and didn't know or didn't tell us) to ask what to do. He said since they were blessed they were fine to use, but he did say they always unsettle him. Something about the eyes, he said. He said if we wanted we could burn them. So.. for years I have struggled with these. They were up for a long time, mainly because of the pressure I got put under by other parishioners. Most were of the opinion that if they were blessed I shouldn't worry. Eventually I took them all down. Its not that I am afraid of them, but that every time I look at them I think of this group and it pollutes my prayer time. I often feel like my faith is weak that I can't just "get over it" and have faith in the blessing. I do have faith in the blessing. Its the purity that is at issue. So now they sit in a stack and I feel weird about burning them because they were blessed, but I don't know what to do with them otherwise. It is so strange how conflicted I've been over these dumb pictures.
They give off the same vibe as North Korean tour guides.
You are actually right. Like it's trying to strangle your brain and feed you forced ideas.
@@Tokmurok Sure
By the way, you can sometimes identify them by the fact that they are signed, I think by Simon.
Real icons are not usually signed by their writers.
Signatures on icons tradition was started by Angelos Akotantos (Greek: Άγγελος Ακοτάντος) who was a Greek Master Iconographer from 15th century. 'Through the hands of Angelos'. So, it is not unknown.
The actor who plays Jesus in The Chosen recently did a talk on Divine Mercy. He held up a Divine Mercy Icon from Monastery Icons. I don’t think he realized it was from that company. He said he found it by the mailboxes of his then apartment complex. Someone should let him know what he is accidentally promoting. This company is currently located in Stevens Point, WI. The talk I’m speaking of was seen on UA-cam.
The actor that plays Jesus in The Chosen said on interview that he started attending a Roman Catholic Church because there were no Orthodox Churches where he moved. I’m not sure how much he actually knows. He always struck me as Protestant as well. He’s always felt kind of off to me.
I’m sure he’s a great guy but I guess my point is that I’m not sure he really understands or possibly cares that much about the spiritual implications of promoting their icons and what not.
>mix of Christian and Hindu ceremony
What in the sweet, fancy Caligula is going on here?!
Madness
Indeed madness. Their cult leader has reinvented their theology multiple times, and the cultists go with it. Seriously, they used call their cult the "Gnostic Orthodox Monastery", "The Light of Christ Monastery", among others. Their leader calls himself The Swami, as according to him he is the reincarnation an ancient Hindu swami and also the reincarnation of a Roman Catholic bishop in the Middle Ages. I am not even joking. Fr. Anthony Nelson wrote a good write-up of their bizarre beliefs and obsession with attaching themselves to Orthodox Christianity.
Somebody likes hitting the betel nuts a little too hard.
@@HolyKhaaaaan So THAT'S what the kids are calling it these days!
I have a triptych from monastery Icons that my priest gifted to me, we had both heard that there was this sort of weird un-christian thing going on, but never knew if it was true or to what extent.
I will speak with him and have him deal with it in whatever manner he sees fit.
It should be fine once it's blessed but yes see what he says
I watched one Bojan rant and now UA-cam recommends ONLY Bojan rants where he says “I don’t usually do these kinds of videos” 😂
Praise God for leading me here. I am a recent inquirer of the Orthodox faith and it would be terrible if my first icons are less than holy.
I came here because a lot of my icons are from Monastery Icons... I needed to hear it...
They specifically told me that the icons were not blessed and that I have to get them blessed by a priest...
Edit: I checked... Only ONE ICON that I have is from them... My only Icon of my patron that costed me a ton of money to ship it... Somehow the fact that the company is evil explains a lot why they cost so much, compared to the ones bought from a monastery here in Poland...
Please go to the nearest church and get them blessed, or go to the nearest campfire and toss them in
@@James-en1ob I always get my icons blessed by the priest. That is a no-brainer. But I did notice they are weirdly not-orthodox. I just thought they are Greek Catholics at first, but it is even weirder to be a "Syncretist Church"... I didn't know Syncretism is a religion in itself...
It's the weird, dead eyes that creep me out about their parody of icons. Just...nothing behind the eyes.
If you take a look at Hindu iconography, the eyes are the same.
I wish I saw this video before I bought 2 mini wooden "pocket" icons from them...
Protestant here. All my icons come from Crete and are hand-painted. I'm familiar with the catalogue, and regrettably, we have a large icon of St John the Baptist from this firm hanging by our baptismal font.
i already sense something 'not made by hands' since the first time i saw their icons. I never favour their icons because of the style and 'uncanonical' factors in their icons such as smiles which is very creepy for an icon. I just heard about the rituals that they do, maybe i will search more about it. Thankyou verymuch, Father Bojan.
Thank you Bojan, I’m Catholic but I was wondering this!!
Several years ago we cleaned out the monastery icons that were in the bookstore at the church where is our icon workshop is. I burned them in my wood stove.
they are good as kindling ^_^
9:56 what are "all the sins" in this one? I get that she isnt a saint really and probably the smile but what else?
She isnt a true saint, she is catholic, the icon literally looks so creepy, also theres a rosary its just all catholic stuff you know. her icon is the most scariest tho
Yeah from the moment I saw the art style of their icons I knew there was something suspicious, it’s all very creepy and off putting compared to traditional Byzantine iconography
I'm Lutheran, and looking at my home alter with shame due to the fact I have two of their icons.
Just get them blessed
@@BanterWithBojan thank you, don't listen to Gnostic Theist. I asked my pastor to bless the icons he said no, I'll ask a few more pastors. If not I'll ask my Orthodox friends if their priest will bless them.
Interesting to see this now. As I been looking for icons and saw them and they just looked off to me and then I started to seeing comments and reviews of them.
They may have removed the links from the Monastery Icons website, but they are still associated with the "Light of Spirit Monastery" (renamed to avoid the association with the former name) and the Atma Jyoti Ashram that calls itself "Original Christianity Original Yoga", "Sacred Visions Art" and "Light of the Spirit Press"
I decided not to provide links to these websites, but they are still the same organization, and still the same person George Burke / Swami Nirmalananda Giri (Who now calls himself an Abbot according to the "Original Christianity Original Yoga" website)
I was wandering about them because that were so cheap and I'm on a budget and just getting into orthodoxy. Thank you for sharing. I will just save for legacy icons ☦️
what if u already have one that is the same picture but not from them? If I bless it will it be fine?
Wow!
I had not heard of this.
Thank you.
Whenever i search up icons they show up, and i've always felt something was "of" about them (even for someone who's new to iconography, like me). Now I know why.
I found this video because I was about to make a purchase on the site, but had a feeling to check out the about us section on their website, and was suspicious, so I thought I'd Google it.
My local Ukrainian Catholic Church, probably 50 years ago, but tons of these things to cover their walls and icons for a low price I imagine. When I first noticed what they were on my second visit, I suggested to one of them, a man, that they should be burnt. This man vehemently disagreed with me.
Considering how much incense has been poured on them over the past 50 years, I suspect they are mostly harmless these days, but you can still identify them. I've mostly gotten over it, but it is nevertheless troubling.
Ok this is superstitious
This is frightening! I may have some of these! Thanks for the warning.
Thank you Bojan. I bought several of these icons a couple years ago without knowing any better and I was horrified after i found out about the company, but I didn't know what to do with them. I had thought about burning them, but Its Christ and the Theotokos so it feels really weird to burn an icon of them. But I also don't want something with some non Christian religious ceremony done on it in my house, so that's the best option.
Can we confirm this is still the case? They have a home address, so couldn’t we meet the owners of the site in person and watch their process?
I felt some nice relief when I saw the style at the end and realized I don't have any.
9:57
I'm not well-versed in the rules of making icons. What are the issues with this image? I assume it's her posture and her smiling, but are there other things I'm missing here?
I watched this video hoping for more information about Monastery icons. I had purchased some of their icons not being able to find them from other sources. When I found out they were improper from a chance reading on the web, I consulted with the Orthodox, Eastern Catholics and Roman Catholics. Although one could burn them, the decision was made to "exorcise" them and then bless them. BOTH needed to be done. If I found I was still uncomfortable with these icons, I could still burn them. I was also instructed NOT to purchase any more icons from this place. Also, the style of the icon just does not match the caliber of a true Byzantine or Slavic icon.
I’m new to orthodoxy but currently I’ve only purchased from Legacy Icons. Seems really legit, I’ve enjoyed every icon I’ve gotten.
Uncut Mountain Supply all the way!
@b0ng yes, but you will have to see what the cost of shipping is. That I am not sure about.
Bought one of these for a Catholic friend for Christmas, I'll have to replace it with a different source and and encourage him to burn it.
A (second) question *gasp* : how much does the manner in which we depict saints matter, or the Theotokos or Christ? I don't mean breaking iconographic conventions, but rather, depicting Jesus without a beard or with short hair for example. For figures whose likeness we have a good idea of I can understanding sticking to something relatively accurate, but how much does accuracy actually matter?
I'm also thinking of icons of Saint Constantine for example, who likely had short hair and no beard, yet is depicted with Christ-like hair and beard much of the time.
The inscription is what counts and makes an icon an icon, I believe Bible Illustrated once said that if a stick figure had the inscription of the mother of God, it would be an icon of the mother of God.
I have always made the point of getting my icons from monasteries I visit, or through commissioning them from an iconographer I know personally (the only way for some obscure saints, and a good place to check the canonical ness of any icon). Although I will occasionally get icons from Charity shops or markets to bring them back into proper use (they are always once I can recognise as proper icons). It is always good however to know what and who to avoid.
If u bless the icon and u hire priest or something to bless it or u bless it can’t u still have them I know u said in video u can if u bless them but how do I need to hire a priest to bless them ?
(Potentially) dumb question: let's say that you somehow procured one of these "monastery icons" and added it to your icon corner at home/work, etc., without either destroying it or having it blessed by a priest. What sort of effect would that have on both you and the environment around you? What could happen to you?
@@shivambhattacharya3039 What is up with all this superstitous talk... As if someone taking the time to construct a prayer corner to offer praise to the Lord Jesus Christ (without knowing the icon might be from a problematic source) would get totally rekt by some demon because some random Hindu said some of his stuff over it... I get not supporting people who profain holy icons, but to suggest that even touching one opens one up to certain ruin is bordering on blasphemy in my opinion
@@Bellg no just touching it will not do anything, but keeping it in your corner, can defile it because you offer incense to it, the incense is not going to Christ but to the demon
@Annabelle Haibt you are taking things out of their context. We venerate christian images, we don’t worship icons like pagans did or the hebrews did to the golden calf. Even the arc of the old covenant had two cherubim statues. Get good.
@@shivambhattacharya3039Isn’t that the problem Paul was addressing in 1 Corinthians 8:6 when addressing about buying meat dedicated to pagan gods, he effectively said,” okay so, they don’t exist it’s fine.”
I remember when I was first looking into Orthodoxy and Icons, I was looking for an Eastern styled icon of my patron Saint, St. Anthony de Padua/Lisboa, and Monastery Icons popped up with one. I googled them and could not find a good thing about them.
What does Anthony de Padua have to do with Orthodoxy?
@@nuzzi6620 Nothing, it implies that I am Catholic but enjoy eastern icons. Just like Bojan mentions on the video, the business he speaks about has Eastern styled icons of non-Orthodox Saints, especially those from Roman Catholicism, such as my patron saint St. Anthony of Padua, whose patron saint in his life was actually St. Anthony the Great.
According to the Orthodox priest at Nikolaido Cathedral near my home, should I become Orthodox, I would be able to keep the name Anthony, just switch from "the Padua" to "the Great", pick another such as St. Augustine of Hippo, or have Bishop Daniel of Tokyo choose one for me.
I didn't know about Monastery Icons and I received one as a gift. I got it blessed like I would any sacramental, but later I learned about their pagan background and the "prayers" they do over them. Even though it had been blessed, I still decided to burn it. I didn't need it and I didn't want to give it away either.
It is so horrible when it is a gift :(
Woah. Thanks for the warning!
Thank you for this. Was just searching (not goog) for icons from a monastery and that was the main place that showed up as you mentioned. Our Lord was guiding me tonight. There are other articles out there also about the place BIH describes.
New Orthodox Christian, so I shopped around for my icon corner. Thanks for the warning!
I accidently ordered one of their icons, I was unable to cancel the order. I blessed it (as a deacon) with holy water and incense, and am making sure to not use them again in the future.
Thank you brother for warning us, may the Holy Immaculate Theotokos pray for you to the Lord our God.
7:48 “Smash, burn, destroy”. Chilling, if heard out of context, what with that nonchalant Slavic voice and all. 😅
(I kid; love your work, Bojan!)
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Thank you so much for this!
This is Monastery Icons, but there is another website called OrthodoxMonasteryIcons.com.
I assume that one is ok to buy from. Their icons are made by the nuns at a SC monastery. Let me know!
Thanks for the information. The music playing as the pictures of the icons are displayed is really creepy!!! 😂 It creates the desired effect; feeling of impending doom.
Bro I'm from Brazil and I'm only 14 years old, I don't have money to buy or make an icon, so I drew one and painted it, Teotoco and two of Christ, I made one of pantokrator today, But now that I saw that the image I used as a reference was from the monastery icons, is there something wrong with that? It was splendid and it looks like it was divine, it was not the same as the reference, it was more Byzantine or Greek I would say, it literally looks like it was God who changed the style of the drawing, but since I used this weird icon to reference on Google, is there something wrong? Please answer me
Nothing wrong with using it as a reference (except for its artistic merit, which is quite low). Use other icons for references. :-)
You should recommend some good places to find icons from
Legacy Icons is run by Orthodox Christians in West Michigan, someone from my Parish works there and the founder is a photographer who converted to Orthodoxy after being hired to take photos of the icons at St. Nicholas Orthodox Church in Grand Rapids, MI after being struck by the beauty of the icons. I also get icons from Uncut mountain supply, and parish bookstores and *actual* monasteries are also great places to get icons.
At first I thought this was some sort of joke. Yikes! I am not very familiar with Icons (I do not come from an Orthodox background) how can I tell which are which? I understand if they are signed that they are not authentic, but does anyone have other specific tips? Thanks!
They look very “smooth” and have a red border. You might be able to even go to their site and look for the icon in question to see if it matches
@@erravi Thanks for the info! So the red border could be a warining sign, but I would want to compare to their site.
@@johnpaulhumphrey2981 you can also look behind, monastery icons will be written behind
@@shivambhattacharya3039 Thanks!
@@johnpaulhumphrey2981 no problem
Does anyone know if Legacy Icons is an affiliate or separate from monastery icons. I have an icon card of St. Patrick of Ireland and wanted to know.
They are separate. Feel free to order!
I did not know this... Will get all the icons I got from them blessed today
Oof. I have a couple of icons of my patron saint from them. I haven't had any issues or any bad vibes with them. They look nice, but then again I'm not an icon expert. What do?
Get them blessed just to make sure :-)
@@BanterWithBojan Great advice.
Thanks Almost bought one there god bless you
Thank God my icons aren't monastery icons !
Thanks Bojan. I had a bad feeling about these icons now it's clear. God bless☦️
what if u already have one that is the same picture but not from them? If I bless it will it be fine?
Thanks for a great episode. Fantastic orthodox channel. Good looking man.
I cons are beautiful and have a rich history. I love Icons, they have inspired my style in sketching.
But what is this "Monastery Icons"? Something like a brand? Because in the beginning i got it literally. I mean, could monasteries from Mt. Athos for example be evil?
So, lets say i received one as a gift. How could i tell they are not ok? What are the signs and the symbolisms in that make them be visibly wrong?
"monastery" "icons"
What if I printed the Icons of Christ and the Theotokos, and they got blessed only by my Parish. Do I still have to burn them? even though they are not blessed by any pagan stuff?
No, no, keep those.
I received one and got it blessed. It still bothered me so I plan on fully burning it. What should I tell my priest. My concern is if it profaned anything for it’s blessing being in the Sanctuary. I do feel better now that I have removed it from my room. Thank you brother. In Christ Mark.
I dont like how monastery icons has so many options that others dont have
Man so I got one of theirs before seeing this video and I had a spiritual experience (unceasing weeping from the presence of God) in front of my icon of Christ “the light of the world” and it holds a very special place in my heart. Weird to think the source of this important icon to me came from is controversial in a theological way.
some of the examples at the end bear striking resemblance to icons of Jesus and Mary that i just bought from my church, which they in turn had bought from legacy icons. either monastery is knocking off legacy, or legacy isn't as reputable as i keep hearing they are. hopefully, it's the former.
I am not sure any Orthodox would consider this site Orthodox and therefore I can't understand why they would use it. It feels Catholic as so many of the saints and depictions of Christ come from the Catholic tradition. Perhaps this is a battle better fought by Catholics whose devotional life is more affected by the trickery.
I am not sure any Catholic would consider this site Catholic either. :)
I think the site addresses to a wide public, because money.
So my church has about 20 of these icons from there but we are going to get new ones from a orthodox company. but how do we get rid of them? Do we just hide them in storage?
Not a bad solution. Or simply burn them. That isn't an impious act, damaged icons are disposed of in such a manner.
Again, I wouldn't go too far, it does not mean that these icons are magically bad in some way... but it does tend to make people get them more because they get used to the style. :-)
@@BanterWithBojan at first I liked the style they where done in then I learned about them and released my church had them but we are working on replacing them but then again it feels wrong burning icons and thanks for telling me
this is insane! Where should I purchase them brother.
Legacy Icons, Uncut Mountain Supply among others are Orthodox. Others can add to the list but those are two I know.
@@kingsessingdad thank you very much brother! God bless you
Hello Bojan, what do you think of the shroud of turin?
Could you say more about latin catholic saints icons, or make a guide of icon's sins for catholics? (brazilian here) thx
Eae meu compatriota
Thank you for this video. I am not at all versed with icons. I totally agree that Catholics are especially vulnerable as icons are somewhat fashionable for us now. There are many paintings that look a bit like icons, but don't follow the traditional Eastern designs, colours etc. I am not versed with icons, but l have a bit of an art historian understanding. So, l can tell that there are paintings that "mock" icons. I think l have already seen the icons you are talking about because l thought about purchasing an icon, but have deemed them rather crappy. Thank you for the warning.
Now I am afraid to buy icons. I know the look of them now, but I am nervous. Is there a way to know for sure if I buy on eBay? I was looking at one from Russia.
Feel free to get them
This is a pretty unique case
As a Catholic, they have a very beautiful looking Christ the King Crucifix Icon but I’m always weary of the site. I haven’t ordered it mainly for that reason
Despite them saying New Age/Hindu prayers and stuff over them (which is a big no no), I don't think that makes them inherently evil nor that they have some power over a practitioner. Just bring awareness to this business/their practice, don't support their business, throw away/burn any icons you've gotten from them, and move on. Sometimes I feel people give superstitions and other religions way too much power, but obviously don't support this business in any form. What they do is extremely dishonest, however, and that makes me very angry. >:(
Sone of what’s been said in this video and comments borders on bizarre superstition like these things have magical powers
@@l21n18 Absolutely. I do believe they may give off bad vibes because of where they came from, but it's not like one day you're going to wake up and be possesed. Just talk to your priest or get rid of them, and then speak the truth as to what this business does. Simple as that.
Can I get a source on the spooky demon song at the end?
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@@BanterWithBojan Thank you
what if u already have one that is the same picture but not from them? If I bless it will it be fine?
I'm so happy I stumbled upon this video. I was gifted a box of icons by a Catholic Deacon and I think some of them are these monestary ones. I'm going to go through all of them now and ask that my husband burn them!!! I don't want to take any chances
The words in your Bible are iconic.
Dormition Skete in Buena Vista Colorado has the best icons. They are True Orthodox.
I bought a matching set of these before I knew what they were (before I was baptized) and had them blessed on the altar by my priest. When I was baptized, one of their icons of the Resurrection was given to me by the Deacon. What do I do with these?
See my longer comment above. I have struggled with this question for years. Right now they sit in a stack. Why don't I burn them? Honest answer: Feeling like everyone around me will think I've gone off the rails. No one else thinks they are a problem if they've been blessed. I can't seem to overcome the way they haunt me, no matter how much I try. Its been 7 years and I still angst over it.
@@MerryMaggie Merry this is the exact goal of those demonic spells that have been put on them. You need to fix this problem..... right here and now right away. it has been SEVEN years. You need to burn them ASAP! and move on. May the prayers and the protection of our Most Holy Theotokos be with you.
How do you feel about the church supply store called Monasterika?
I guess I'm part of that middle group that doesn't fit into either category. I don't know what's going on, I just hope everyone has a good (and non-heretical) time. In all seriousness, though, where are places that we can look for Icons that are Orthodox-friendly?