I highly doubt the late Met. Philip actually said this. I remember 22 years ago attending the annual evangelism conference at Antiochian Village at Ligonier and the chapel and grounds were, at least at that time, totally covered with "windows into heaven" icons from Monastery Icons.
wow this is crazy. i purchased an icon from Monastery Icons a few months ago & then started to feel weird about it. a day or 2 later i called them and asked to cancel my order. thankfully, they canceled it for me. so glad i didn’t get it!
I had one icon of Christ and I kept feeling these dark vibes around it. I would stare at it and see the face shape change in the dark, assuming this is normal. I was in my heart talking to God asking Him about the laws of science, why face shapes are changing in the dark, even in a holy icon like that. I didn’t want to have scary feelings over an icon so I kept telling myself this is normal. Well, turns out it was from monastery icons and that this is not normal at all.
No no those were demons mocking Christ by placing wicked faces on them. I have had the same experience too in a dream. They hate God and take any chance to mock His holy images
@@cmtxmeltown3546 the fact that the thought occurred to you to burn the stand as well probably means that might not be a bad idea. but take other counsel other than mine into consideration. Ask your priest.
We burn ‘holy trash’ all the time. Old icons that have been destroyed by woodworm for example. It’s the only way to correctly destroy Holy items. Burning these ‘icons’ are a perfectly good way of destroying them, maybe too good for them! Don’t worry about burning them
Why are they called "Monastery" Icons when there's no monastery??? Maybe Ashram Icons would give it all away. Much in the same way that the innocuous sounding "Best Friends Animal Society" in Utah is a front for the Process Church of the Final Judgement"--avoid them like the plague!
I just get all my Icons from Legacy Icons. they are more legitamate and don't use their own style rather they use the actual image of the icons. (also they sent me candy when i ordered an image of OL of Perpetual Help)
I have not gotten any icons from Monasteryicons for the most part, partially because the art style is not exactly very Byzantine in style. Wonder if HolyArt is acceptable.
Hey brother, God bless you ☦️ I pray you keep growing as an Orthodox Christian. Follow God & His Church. I’d like to share testimonies Brotha how can I reach you?
Well, thanks for the heads up, my friend! I'm an inquirer. So more obstacles out my way will Make the the search for Orthodoxy easier for me a sinful heretic! (And I mean this with all respect)
I got some really nice ones from Holy Trinity in Jordanville. They have amazing book selection too, but you have to go to the "church supplies" site to get the full catalogue.
i noticed he did not add 3 stars on forehead and shoulders of Virgin Mary and no MP OY, no OON at Jesus Christ but other signs, besides performing pagan rituals to invoke evil spirits over those products
@@OrthoKarter To be fair, this really doesn't have anything to do with being passive or not. Still rude nonetheless. Pray for the man who runs the Monastery Icons operation.
@@ivan25099 still stands. people expect all forms of Christianity to be “extremely kind” and “pacifist” Orthodoxy is not like that. yes they hold kindness, but they arent complete pacifists. these people hold this bias, and then when they meet a Christian who even criticizes someone or something ONCE, they say “thats a sin! ur being rude!”
@@OrthoKarterHow ugly the man is irrelevant to what the guy is doing. Pray for him. Not insult him on irrelevant details. Yes, Christianity is not pacifist, that doesn't mean we need to insult those who are against Orthodoxy. We must correct their ways and pray for them, not say how ugly he is. What did our Lord say? Remove the log in your eye before you remove the speck in your brother's eye?
This video is a bit alarmist and hysterical. While I agree it would be best to not order icons from them, not everything they do is heretical or uncanonical with regard to the actual content of the images. And it is the content of the image, the heavenly reality it points to, which determines that it is an icon, not the *person* who made it. Do you know for a fact that every icon you own or have ever venerated was not constructed by a person who either held heretical views or was otherwise unbelieving or in some way morally unfit? If the difference in style were a real issue we'd have to also destroy most of the 19th and early 20th century iconography of the Church, which was done in a naturalistic style ultimately derived from the renaissance humanism of the Papists (the aesthetic and stylistic aspects of which reflect a heretical theology of nature and grace). Yet this was literally the only style of iconography known to many prominent Greek and Russian saints of the last century, who piously and unquestioningly prayed before them. Again, I'm not suggesting that Orthodox continue to patronize Monastery Icons considering the shady nature of their operation, but the advice to *burn* icons which do not contain any heretical depictions is incorrect and even blasphemous. Do NOT burn ICONS! The notion than an icon made by the non-Orthodox would necessarily carry with it a "demonic curse" is bordering on crass superstition. You should be more concerned with the demons acting upon your human will and person (which is happening all the time) than harming you through transference from a material object, in this case, one superimposed (and therefore blessed) with the image of The Lord Jesus Christ or the Theotokos or some other God-illumined saint of the Church. I personally only own one icon from Monastery Icons. It is of the Theotokos and is perfectly Orthodox in every way. I'm not going to burn it just because it was not made by Orthodox Christians. The ink and wood and paper and lacquer used to print and finish the icons of which you presumably approve, are you absolutely certain that none of these materials were sourced from some place where the people hold some form of non-Christian religious belief? If we were to adopt your standard of discernment, then we couldn't own any icons but those painted at a canonical Orthodox Monastery by people of a high degree of personal holiness using only materials that were either procured or produced in situ. In that case no poor person could ever own one. Once again, I'm not defending Monastery Icons and much of what they sell is indeed questionable and should be avoided. I just don't see how you can justify declaring that any icon of theirs that an Orthodox person might happen to own should be necessarily and automatically classed as a non-icon fit only to be destroyed, having been constructed by impure pagan hands. The only thing that can render an image as a non-icon is clear and distinct divergence from Holy Tradition in a way that contradicts revealed dogma and theology. Nothing less will do.
@@RealDukeOfEarl Never said anything like that, so please drop the straw man arguments and the arrogance of running around blithely calling other people heretics. I do not defend the "Monastery Icons" operation as such, especially considering that a lot of what they produce is heterodox and bizarre. With that said, there is NO justification for destroying images of theirs that have already been purchased and blessed and hung in churches and which do not in any discernable way depart from Orthodox tradition. Many of the mosaic frescoes in Orthodox Churches were done by non-Orthodox artists, and much of the iconography of the last century is of Italian origin. You want to throw all that way too, burn it, and summarily decry all the saints of the 19th and early 20th century "heretics" for praying before "non-icons"? You really don't have a clue what you are talking about, yet you are so quick to pontificate and to hand down thunderous judgments. Please stop and take a minute to step back and think. Once again, I agree with the author of this video that "Monastery Icons" should not be patronized by Orthodox Christians. But from this it does not follow that it is proper to BURN icons produced by them which have been accepted in our churches as icons and which are not heretical in any way. It is absurd to say that if something in our churches is made by non-Orthodox, then it can not be used, is unholy, and must be destroyed. "Lot's of words"? You mean, as in being thoughtful and showing nuance?
@@ddawg6482 Your argument is 100% Orthodox. Don't buy anything from them from this point on, but no need to burn them. P.S. Paper Icons are not truly written. Should we burn them as well?
Practicing discernment is a worthy virtue, but in this particular case things are very clear cut; this is a quote from the article found on Orthodoxinfo: It is at this point in plain sight for anybody to understand that those pictures are dedicated to demons and carry with them demonic energy. Obviously, hanging such objects on the walls in your home can open you up to who knows what unclean influence. It's far beyond being a simple matter of
@@poincareseifert1673 And what exactly is the evidence that "occult rituals and demonic invocations" have been done over the icons that have come out of this operation? Again, not defending Monastery Icons or suggesting Orthodox should patronize them, but these are mass produced icons, paper copies of icons glued to wood with laminate applied. I don't think it's credible or even feasible for them to have some shaman or Hindu cultist "bless" each and every one of them with a demonic ritual, and I believe this claim is little more than presumption and scuttlebut which has its origin with the author of the piece you posted. But let's say for the sake of argument that what you say is true: that what by all outward indications appears to be a theologically Orthodox icon produced by this outfit, has been subjected to a heterodox or idolatrous blessing ritual. Would it naturally follow from this that the icon has thus been "cursed" and contains "demonic energy" as you put it, so that keeping it in one's home altar or church would be the same as inviting the activity of demons into these sacred spaces? In 1 Corinthians Ch 8 The Apostle Paul tells us that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” and that therefore food which has been sacrificed to idols does not defile Christians who consume it. Nevertheless he counsels us to avoid scandalizing others who "lack this knowledge" lest we, by our own deeper spiritual discernment we trample upon those of "weak conscience". This is why I agree with David and others that Orthodox churches should not do business with Monastery Icons if to do so means patronizing non-Christian occultists or sectarians and scandalizing others weaker in the faith who lack a deeper awareness of the theological, canonical, and practical distinctions which apply to the Orthodox use of icons. But to say that we should go around burning images which lack any identifiable point of divergence from Orthodox dogma or established iconographic tradition purely on the basis of their origin; images which depict Christ and His Holy Mother and the God-illumined Martyrs & Saints in a manner which is fully Orthodox, is not required by any canon or authoritative teaching, is not Orthodox, and in fact borders on advocating the desecration of holy things. And when we are talking about potentially profaning or desecrating that which depicts a holy saint or God incarnate Himself, it is far better to err on the side of caution than simply to give in to superstition, blind fanaticism or hysterical fears.
The Apostle Luke was the first to make the image of Christ and the Virgin, and besides, Go and learn first what orthodoxy means, and when you do, I'm sure you will regret everything you say. Orthodoxy has been fought by all the supposed Christian churches since the early years, and in particular if Orthodoxy had not collected the books of the New Testament, all of you supposed Christians, would not even have known about Christ and his church. Thank you with respect.
@@spazomaz Did you not see the part about the books of the new testament coming from the Orthodox Church? Not to mention the 12 Apostles and the Apostles after them, such as the Apostle to the Germans Boniface were Orthodox and were the ones who actually went forward and spread the faith. I come from a Southern Baptist background, where it was all very much about "is that in the scriptures?" Yet the question is never raised, where did the scriptures even come from? We know Christ had a scroll of the Old Testament, and that there were no books like we have now, so where did our Bible come from and what happened to the early church after Acts? Well there is no information or explanation. However, the Orthodox Church which has remained consistent since the beginning has all the answers to these questions.
Everyone writes a whole lot of B****t but all are of you shows less of our true Christian faith, do not judge or you would be judged. None of you actually advise on where you can actually buy true Icon art but just condemning someone else. I rebuke the one that condemns another person when we all are sinners. GIVE GOOD ADVICE ON WHERE WE ALL CAN BUY TRUE AND GENUINE CHRISTIAN ICON ART AMEN.
Legacy icons, uncut mountain supply, Holy trinity in Jordanville, etc. Or you could just print out existing icons, laminate/stick them on wood and carry them to get blessed by a priest Or you could even go ask a blacksmith to maybe cast an Icon for you, and go get that blessed
You have not idea what you toking about . What is icon ? It is not just “tradition” it is more and deep theology . Go and educate yourself before start to lecture others.
He was referring to "tradition" in the sense that in Orthodoxy we have a similar pattern of making iconography that has existed in our Church for centuries
I saw Bojan from Bible Illustrated talked about this few days ago. This is a very dangerous syncretism.
witchcraft, magic, occultism
"Monastery Icons are fit only to be burned." - attributed to Met. Philip Saliba
I highly doubt the late Met. Philip actually said this. I remember 22 years ago attending the annual evangelism conference at Antiochian Village at Ligonier and the chapel and grounds were, at least at that time, totally covered with "windows into heaven" icons from Monastery Icons.
wow this is crazy. i purchased an icon from Monastery Icons a few months ago & then started to feel weird about it. a day or 2 later i called them and asked to cancel my order. thankfully, they canceled it for me. so glad i didn’t get it!
Wow, Glory to God!
I had one icon of Christ and I kept feeling these dark vibes around it. I would stare at it and see the face shape change in the dark, assuming this is normal. I was in my heart talking to God asking Him about the laws of science, why face shapes are changing in the dark, even in a holy icon like that. I didn’t want to have scary feelings over an icon so I kept telling myself this is normal. Well, turns out it was from monastery icons and that this is not normal at all.
No no those were demons mocking Christ by placing wicked faces on them. I have had the same experience too in a dream. They hate God and take any chance to mock His holy images
if i have an icon and an easel from them should i burn the easel with it?
@@cmtxmeltown3546 the fact that the thought occurred to you to burn the stand as well probably means that might not be a bad idea. but take other counsel other than mine into consideration. Ask your priest.
@@cmtxmeltown3546 yea, since they "bless" all their products using hindu rites
how you got that icon?
We burn ‘holy trash’ all the time. Old icons that have been destroyed by woodworm for example. It’s the only way to correctly destroy Holy items.
Burning these ‘icons’ are a perfectly good way of destroying them, maybe too good for them! Don’t worry about burning them
i heard in ancient times iconoclasts burned icons too
They look like pictures not icons, that want to look like icons(the creepiest thing)
Why are they called "Monastery" Icons when there's no monastery??? Maybe Ashram Icons would give it all away. Much in the same way that the innocuous sounding "Best Friends Animal Society" in Utah is a front for the Process Church of the Final Judgement"--avoid them like the plague!
I watch the video from Bible Illustrated about this.
me too
Good work exposing these frauds, thankyou.
I just get all my Icons from Legacy Icons. they are more legitamate and don't use their own style rather they use the actual image of the icons. (also they sent me candy when i ordered an image of OL of Perpetual Help)
Volume is perfect brother.
The Monastery Icons look like King of the Hill characters...
I have not gotten any icons from Monasteryicons for the most part, partially because the art style is not exactly very Byzantine in style. Wonder if HolyArt is acceptable.
Hey brother, God bless you ☦️ I pray you keep growing as an Orthodox Christian. Follow God & His Church. I’d like to share testimonies Brotha how can I reach you?
You sound very clear on that microphone.
Well, thanks for the heads up, my friend!
I'm an inquirer. So more obstacles out my way will
Make the the search for Orthodoxy easier for me a sinful heretic! (And I mean this with all respect)
thank you for the information. more people need to know about this
2:58 is that Klaus Schwab?
Thanks for this bro.
Can you give us a website that you know sells icons that is not a scam site?
Uncut mountain supply or legacy icons. But the best option is to buy from your local church or monastery
I got some really nice ones from Holy Trinity in Jordanville. They have amazing book selection too, but you have to go to the "church supplies" site to get the full catalogue.
Mount Athos icons are great
There is also a website called Orthodox Monastery Icons
You should share a link of legit places to guy icons from monastery
Exodus 20:4, Leviticus 26:1 and many more.
God Bless you too
When I first went on the site. I felt a different spirit than the Lords. I knew it was heterdox.
What if you get it blessed by priest? You good?
If your priest blesses the icon, then you are good don’t believe some random person on the Internet over your spiritual father
their website has sweepstakes lmao
Where should I buy icons?
Legacy icons is a good place. Most church bookstores can also order icons for you.
Ancient Faith
Go to monastery website, find icons for sale, buy icons, support monastery.
Damascene Galery
Always try and buy from a local church or monastery/ convent when possible
Don't burn images of jesus ,mary, and saints
I am kind of confused. What makes something an icon vs just a regular image?
in Ermineia of Byzantine Picture by Dionysius of Fourna were mentioned canons regarding eastern-orthodox iconography
i noticed he did not add 3 stars on forehead and shoulders of Virgin Mary and no MP OY, no OON at Jesus Christ but other signs, besides performing pagan rituals to invoke evil spirits over those products
Thats scary
What are some good sites to buy icons??
@Joel Whitmer Thanks 👍
I kinda want the meditating Jesus, even though I'm sure it is satan giving me that desire.
Gross, Expose them
this is hilarious. They look like bitmojis!
Crypto-syncretism.
Thanks for the info I almost buy
Sorry that I did, thought, said and wish any bad towards you in anyway
Curse trash?
3:22 "really ugly guy"
And you're supposed to be a Christian?
average youtube commenter when he finds out that Christianity isnt completely passive: 😱
@@OrthoKarter To be fair, this really doesn't have anything to do with being passive or not. Still rude nonetheless. Pray for the man who runs the Monastery Icons operation.
@@ivan25099 still stands. people expect all forms of Christianity to be “extremely kind” and “pacifist”
Orthodoxy is not like that. yes they hold kindness, but they arent complete pacifists. these people hold this bias, and then when they meet a Christian who even criticizes someone or something ONCE, they say “thats a sin! ur being rude!”
@@OrthoKarter
"Uhh yeahh we call people ugly if we like it!"..
Grow up
@@OrthoKarterHow ugly the man is irrelevant to what the guy is doing. Pray for him. Not insult him on irrelevant details. Yes, Christianity is not pacifist, that doesn't mean we need to insult those who are against Orthodoxy. We must correct their ways and pray for them, not say how ugly he is.
What did our Lord say? Remove the log in your eye before you remove the speck in your brother's eye?
This video is a bit alarmist and hysterical. While I agree it would be best to not order icons from them, not everything they do is heretical or uncanonical with regard to the actual content of the images. And it is the content of the image, the heavenly reality it points to, which determines that it is an icon, not the *person* who made it. Do you know for a fact that every icon you own or have ever venerated was not constructed by a person who either held heretical views or was otherwise unbelieving or in some way morally unfit? If the difference in style were a real issue we'd have to also destroy most of the 19th and early 20th century iconography of the Church, which was done in a naturalistic style ultimately derived from the renaissance humanism of the Papists (the aesthetic and stylistic aspects of which reflect a heretical theology of nature and grace). Yet this was literally the only style of iconography known to many prominent Greek and Russian saints of the last century, who piously and unquestioningly prayed before them. Again, I'm not suggesting that Orthodox continue to patronize Monastery Icons considering the shady nature of their operation, but the advice to *burn* icons which do not contain any heretical depictions is incorrect and even blasphemous. Do NOT burn ICONS!
The notion than an icon made by the non-Orthodox would necessarily carry with it a "demonic curse" is bordering on crass superstition. You should be more concerned with the demons acting upon your human will and person (which is happening all the time) than harming you through transference from a material object, in this case, one superimposed (and therefore blessed) with the image of The Lord Jesus Christ or the Theotokos or some other God-illumined saint of the Church. I personally only own one icon from Monastery Icons. It is of the Theotokos and is perfectly Orthodox in every way. I'm not going to burn it just because it was not made by Orthodox Christians. The ink and wood and paper and lacquer used to print and finish the icons of which you presumably approve, are you absolutely certain that none of these materials were sourced from some place where the people hold some form of non-Christian religious belief? If we were to adopt your standard of discernment, then we couldn't own any icons but those painted at a canonical Orthodox Monastery by people of a high degree of personal holiness using only materials that were either procured or produced in situ. In that case no poor person could ever own one. Once again, I'm not defending Monastery Icons and much of what they sell is indeed questionable and should be avoided. I just don't see how you can justify declaring that any icon of theirs that an Orthodox person might happen to own should be necessarily and automatically classed as a non-icon fit only to be destroyed, having been constructed by impure pagan hands. The only thing that can render an image as a non-icon is clear and distinct divergence from Holy Tradition in a way that contradicts revealed dogma and theology. Nothing less will do.
A little bit of heresy is okay, you say? A lot of words you use but so be it. Be gone, heretic.
@@RealDukeOfEarl Never said anything like that, so please drop the straw man arguments and the arrogance of running around blithely calling other people heretics. I do not defend the "Monastery Icons" operation as such, especially considering that a lot of what they produce is heterodox and bizarre. With that said, there is NO justification for destroying images of theirs that have already been purchased and blessed and hung in churches and which do not in any discernable way depart from Orthodox tradition. Many of the mosaic frescoes in Orthodox Churches were done by non-Orthodox artists, and much of the iconography of the last century is of Italian origin. You want to throw all that way too, burn it, and summarily decry all the saints of the 19th and early 20th century "heretics" for praying before "non-icons"? You really don't have a clue what you are talking about, yet you are so quick to pontificate and to hand down thunderous judgments. Please stop and take a minute to step back and think. Once again, I agree with the author of this video that "Monastery Icons" should not be patronized by Orthodox Christians. But from this it does not follow that it is proper to BURN icons produced by them which have been accepted in our churches as icons and which are not heretical in any way. It is absurd to say that if something in our churches is made by non-Orthodox, then it can not be used, is unholy, and must be destroyed. "Lot's of words"? You mean, as in being thoughtful and showing nuance?
@@ddawg6482
Your argument is 100% Orthodox.
Don't buy anything from them from this point on, but no need to burn them.
P.S.
Paper Icons are not truly written.
Should we burn them as well?
Practicing discernment is a worthy virtue, but in this particular case things are very clear cut; this is a quote from the article found on Orthodoxinfo:
It is at this point in plain sight for anybody to understand that those pictures are dedicated to demons and carry with them demonic energy. Obviously, hanging such objects on the walls in your home can open you up to who knows what unclean influence.
It's far beyond being a simple matter of
@@poincareseifert1673 And what exactly is the evidence that "occult rituals and demonic invocations" have been done over the icons that have come out of this operation? Again, not defending Monastery Icons or suggesting Orthodox should patronize them, but these are mass produced icons, paper copies of icons glued to wood with laminate applied. I don't think it's credible or even feasible for them to have some shaman or Hindu cultist "bless" each and every one of them with a demonic ritual, and I believe this claim is little more than presumption and scuttlebut which has its origin with the author of the piece you posted.
But let's say for the sake of argument that what you say is true: that what by all outward indications appears to be a theologically Orthodox icon produced by this outfit, has been subjected to a heterodox or idolatrous blessing ritual. Would it naturally follow from this that the icon has thus been "cursed" and contains "demonic energy" as you put it, so that keeping it in one's home altar or church would be the same as inviting the activity of demons into these sacred spaces? In 1 Corinthians Ch 8 The Apostle Paul tells us that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” and that therefore food which has been sacrificed to idols does not defile Christians who consume it. Nevertheless he counsels us to avoid scandalizing others who "lack this knowledge" lest we, by our own deeper spiritual discernment we trample upon those of "weak conscience".
This is why I agree with David and others that Orthodox churches should not do business with Monastery Icons if to do so means patronizing non-Christian occultists or sectarians and scandalizing others weaker in the faith who lack a deeper awareness of the theological, canonical, and practical distinctions which apply to the Orthodox use of icons.
But to say that we should go around burning images which lack any identifiable point of divergence from Orthodox dogma or established iconographic tradition purely on the basis of their origin; images which depict Christ and His Holy Mother and the God-illumined Martyrs & Saints in a manner which is fully Orthodox, is not required by any canon or authoritative teaching, is not Orthodox, and in fact borders on advocating the desecration of holy things. And when we are talking about potentially profaning or desecrating that which depicts a holy saint or God incarnate Himself, it is far better to err on the side of caution than simply to give in to superstition, blind fanaticism or hysterical fears.
The Apostle Luke was the first to make the image of Christ and the Virgin, and besides,
Go and learn first what orthodoxy means, and when you do, I'm sure you will regret everything you say. Orthodoxy has been fought by all the supposed Christian churches since the early years, and in particular if Orthodoxy had not collected the books of the New Testament, all of you supposed Christians, would not even have known about Christ and his church. Thank you with respect.
Verse? 😂
@@spazomaz Did you not see the part about the books of the new testament coming from the Orthodox Church? Not to mention the 12 Apostles and the Apostles after them, such as the Apostle to the Germans Boniface were Orthodox and were the ones who actually went forward and spread the faith.
I come from a Southern Baptist background, where it was all very much about "is that in the scriptures?" Yet the question is never raised, where did the scriptures even come from? We know Christ had a scroll of the Old Testament, and that there were no books like we have now, so where did our Bible come from and what happened to the early church after Acts? Well there is no information or explanation. However, the Orthodox Church which has remained consistent since the beginning has all the answers to these questions.
@@jhroomy Still no proof 😂
@@spazomaz Well not sure how you figure that one given what was just said. But I wish you well in life. ☦
Ezekiel 17,18,19 (about icons)
Monstery icons have good icons.
Everyone writes a whole lot of B****t but all are of you shows less of our true Christian faith, do not judge or you would be judged. None of you actually advise on where you can actually buy true Icon art but just condemning someone else. I rebuke the one that condemns another person when we all are sinners. GIVE GOOD ADVICE ON WHERE WE ALL CAN BUY TRUE AND GENUINE CHRISTIAN ICON ART AMEN.
I've never heard anything bad about anything else, these people legitimately aren't christians
He said legacy icons was a good place to get them.
Legacy icons, uncut mountain supply, Holy trinity in Jordanville, etc.
Or you could just print out existing icons, laminate/stick them on wood and carry them to get blessed by a priest
Or you could even go ask a blacksmith to maybe cast an Icon for you, and go get that blessed
Hinduh$ that i$!
Roma / Rome / Rim
How dare you 😤 😒 😑 😏 😭 😔 😤 😒 😑 speak ill of monstery Icons How dare you say something bad about that 🕉 man
Nice shame tactic baizuo.
You have not idea what you toking about . What is icon ? It is not just “tradition” it is more and deep theology . Go and educate yourself before start to lecture others.
Go and learn how to listen before you talk smack, I never said its "just" tradition, I was talking about styles, stop being an idiot.
He was referring to "tradition" in the sense that in Orthodoxy we have a similar pattern of making iconography that has existed in our Church for centuries