Ranking EVERY Down Air Animation In Smash Ultimate

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  • Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
  • Down airs are the most common type of spiking move in Super Smash Bros., so you may expect them to look the same as well, but I was surprised by how different they can actually be, both by concept and by...quality. Better make a down air animation tier list to take a closer look!
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  • @MockRockTalk
    @MockRockTalk  Місяць тому +84

    Thanks for watching! Been awhile since I've done one of these and the middle of a heat wave was a great time to commit to marathon recording sessions again 🙃 Down airs ended up being a more interesting move type to look at than I originally expected, what did you think?
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    • @SpholeYT
      @SpholeYT Місяць тому +2

      Normally on these type of videos i tend to disagree on some small details like how the framing and overall movement or impact of the attack affects the flow or sort of vibe the move gives of.
      This time is not the case but I feel like this definetly needed some sort of D or B+ tier to allow for A, B and C tier to have some more distinct ideas or expressions (i really cant find a way to explain what i mean) and that made some of the rankings feel sort of un-cohesive at times and some tiers ended up cluttered up.
      Going with only the tiers you chose i think the list is ok but i still would love to see it with more variated ratings.
      Still, really good video, as an amateur-ish animator and game dev i love this sort of deep dives because they allow for a sometimes much needed second look at how something should work or feel and as im working (just concepts still) on a platform fighter inspired kind of YOMI hustle + rounds platform fighter right now, its nice to see this types of vids.
      Thanks I guess, really liked it.

    • @SpholeYT
      @SpholeYT Місяць тому +2

      TLDR: its a great vid but it should have had a D tier in my opinion

    • @demonssinglosongs
      @demonssinglosongs Місяць тому +1

      i honestly think you were too kind to donkey kong's, i find it to be the most confusing animation in the game. i never actually knew he was using his foot for it until fairly recently, i always thought he was punching downwards, it's conveyed so strangely. i actually have the exact same problem with diddy kong's up air ironically lol

    • @Flow-Rez420
      @Flow-Rez420 Місяць тому +1

      Onto the Nairs!

  • @Sean_Bird
    @Sean_Bird Місяць тому +366

    16:50 Fun Fact: In Sephiroth’s gameplay showcase, this move is called Hell’s Gate, a name that was also used for the attack in Dissida: Final Fantasy. In the sequel to Dissida, Dissida Duodecim, Aerith appears as an assist only character. If you summon Aerith against a CPU Sephiroth who has Hell’s Gate, his AI has a quirk that will make him attempt to use Hell’s Gate on Aerith as long as she’s still on the field. It’s darkly hilarious.

    • @AtJoee230
      @AtJoee230 Місяць тому +46

      I shouldn't be laughing at this but I can't help it lmao

    • @OrigamiAhsoka
      @OrigamiAhsoka Місяць тому +18

      THAT’S CRAZY 😭😭

    • @whatdoievenputhere11
      @whatdoievenputhere11 Місяць тому +10

      It also appears in the FF Remake games, and you can use it while playing Sephiroth in Rebirth.

    • @mauricesteel4995
      @mauricesteel4995 16 днів тому +2

      his AI will often try to use Hell's Gate if you summon Aerith to cast Holy, which while she is charging it, she has a barrier that blocks most but the strongest physical attacks, Hell's Gate being one of those that can interrupt her, Dissidia being a very aerial game, makes sure that Sephiroth will be above you most of the time, which will ensure he will use Hell's Gate instead of his other attack to interrupt Aerith, which he must, as if he fails to interrupt her, she will cast Holy and potentially end him.
      May be just coincidence, may not, but if it was mere coincidence, it still is marvelous how all the pieces fell together like that.

    • @pandalenz6534
      @pandalenz6534 15 днів тому

      NNNNAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

  • @patoa3481
    @patoa3481 Місяць тому +167

    MockRock in 2030 making a "ranking all ledge grab animations" video

    • @pottedplant7460
      @pottedplant7460 Місяць тому +30

      Wii Fit Trainer finally seeing the light of S tier

    • @darkax1140
      @darkax1140 Місяць тому +11

      2035 "Ranking every running turn around animation"

    • @WhosCurtio
      @WhosCurtio Місяць тому

      ⁠​2040 ranking every parry animation

    • @Squiferz
      @Squiferz 29 днів тому +6

      @@darkax1140lowkey it would go hard

    • @darkax1140
      @darkax1140 29 днів тому +3

      @@Squiferz I love doing the turn around dance as King Dedede, it looks like he is spinning around his hammer

  • @jobot0114
    @jobot0114 Місяць тому +573

    One complaint I've _always_ had with Bowser's down air is that it has a small shockwave hitbox.... and down special _doesn't._ I maintain that this makes literally no sense and it's continued to bug me for years.

    • @ballisticboo7808
      @ballisticboo7808 Місяць тому +75

      Especially considering that in the Mario series, bosses using that move usually stun any characters on the ground when they land

    • @bogermansjonnecsg2439
      @bogermansjonnecsg2439 Місяць тому +19

      The landing hitbox on bowser's down special is small, but it's definitely there. You can see it easily if you start a down special right above an opponent, the initial spiking hitbox will hit and the landing hitbox, as apposed to just the hitbox that sends up.

    • @OrigamiAhsoka
      @OrigamiAhsoka Місяць тому +2

      Same 😭

    • @dprototype6431
      @dprototype6431 Місяць тому +7

      Agreed, his Bowser Bomb’s had shockwaves since 64.

    • @technorave555
      @technorave555 Місяць тому +14

      Bowswer's Down B
      Dedede's Neutral Air
      K Rool's Neutral Air
      All of these giants landing with their full weight has no landing hit box
      But Mythra, a lightning fast skinny sword wielder, does have a landing hitbox
      $5.99

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 Місяць тому +115

    Peach's down air in Ultimate is SIGNIFICANTLY better than it was in Brawl... In Brawl her legs were _completely_ obscured by her dress, making it look like her dress just _vibrates_ to attack opponents or something.

  • @sukmykrok3388
    @sukmykrok3388 Місяць тому +72

    Ganondorf: S tier. I accept NO OTHER PLACEMENT.
    One hour and fifty-seven minutes later, and my heart is happy!

    • @ActualMamaLuigi
      @ActualMamaLuigi Місяць тому +1

      incineroar and doc do it better

    • @sukmykrok3388
      @sukmykrok3388 Місяць тому +1

      @@ActualMamaLuigi they certainly do so it. That's really all that can be said about my other 2 mains. Ganon is king.

  • @JB_CY
    @JB_CY Місяць тому +190

    Samus has a down air that by all logic shouldn't feel as satisfying as it does, yet I love landing it.
    Then there's Ridley.

    • @Terracrafty
      @Terracrafty Місяць тому +15

      Why on Zebes is Ridley's down air NOT a tail pogo? That's one of his most iconic moves and it's just completely absent from his Smash moveset!

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 Місяць тому +71

    What's sad is that even Ridley's boss battle in Brawl incorporated the tail poke more than Ridley's actual moveset. :/

    • @franciscofranco1314
      @franciscofranco1314 Місяць тому +9

      Ehh, it was more of a tail scrape than tail pogo, but you're still not technically wrong. What i find weird is that he has that down air when his down smash is better execution of replicating that falling stomp move he did in Brawl. Not only is down air bad visually and in gameplay, its also redundant.

  • @yussufmohamed1664
    @yussufmohamed1664 Місяць тому +52

    For the longest time i thought palutenas down air was a staff swipe.

    • @ToonaDrift
      @ToonaDrift Місяць тому

      yoooooo Cinderace pfp W human go u ur amazing

    • @Lira_orpheus
      @Lira_orpheus Місяць тому

      Yep. It really looks like that.

  • @zacpadilla2432
    @zacpadilla2432 Місяць тому +133

    tbf, the keyblade has those sounds in KH cause it’s meant to be a small pestering/combo weapon (and it doesn’t really look like a painful weapon) Most of Sora’s “strong” single hits in KH have a big wind up or a flourish of magic (kind of like his up smash and down smash). I feel like they could’ve figured something out (either give him less single hard hits, or give them bigger flourishes) but it’s a tricky weapon to work with sound design wise

    • @aguywithgames3135
      @aguywithgames3135 Місяць тому +1

      It’s understandable, but it still would’ve been nice to have other keyblades if only for the different sound effects they use.

    • @callmefleet
      @callmefleet Місяць тому +2

      @@aguywithgames3135 When people were theorizing that a character other than Sora would be the KH character joining smash, I was hoping for Roxas to be like a more aggressive version of Pit. Oathkeeper and Oblivion would've had some sick particle and sound effects.

    • @silverrath
      @silverrath Місяць тому +2

      I actually think the sound effects they used for Sora are mostly original, as I don't recognize the particular sound effects they used from any of the original games. You can even hear some of Smash's native sound effects sorta mixed in on some of Sora's hit sounds.
      KH has some really satisfying and recognizable sound design, so it's strange that they didn't just import those sounds from there.

  • @tonydigital808
    @tonydigital808 Місяць тому +31

    Bro I’m in absolute awe that K. Rool does a full flip for his down air. I never would have guessed but it definitely registers subliminally

    • @wingedbluj1674
      @wingedbluj1674 Місяць тому +1

      There's always those moves that you don't realize are different from what you think it looks like.
      For example, Falco's up smash. It looks like he's pushing up with his left foot, kicks with his right foot, twists, then uses the momentum to kick with his left foot.
      Except it's NOT that at all! He only ever uses his left foot the whole time! This means he jumps off the ground, kicks, does a full 360 spin, then kicks again, ALL with the left foot!

  • @crawlinggoose
    @crawlinggoose Місяць тому +100

    Fun Fact: Roy's down air is called "Half-Moon."

  • @murpsanddurps3810
    @murpsanddurps3810 Місяць тому +33

    1:33:54 Fun Fact, Palm strikes are actually illegal in boxing, making this all them more weird. Yes, I know jump attacks in general aren’t allowed, but seeing as they tried to keep Mac faithful to his boxing style, it’s just still kinda jarring.

    • @GrassiestGrassy
      @GrassiestGrassy Місяць тому +9

      He also uses hammer fists for his Down Throw animation, which are also illegal in boxing.

    • @ehhorve857
      @ehhorve857 Місяць тому +6

      so what you're saying, is that mac HIMSELF can be added to the blacklist.
      man i love punch-out.

    • @MishKoz
      @MishKoz 8 днів тому +1

      ​@@ehhorve857there's a video out there called "Punch Out but it speeds up after every rule infraction" and every single fight speeds up at least once because Mac is 17, which makes him ineligible for boxing

    • @ehhorve857
      @ehhorve857 8 днів тому

      @@MishKoz ooohhh, That's good!

  • @Toastguy716
    @Toastguy716 Місяць тому +32

    I think I just realized why Mewtwo’s weird down air pose is the way it is, because if you look closely at it, it looks like Mewtwo is using their hand to wave down a blast of energy in addition to the stomp (That would also explain why the energy particles are so high on Mewtwo’s leg as that never made sense to me)

    • @theturtleking2454
      @theturtleking2454 Місяць тому

      This is so strange I’ve never noticed that before. It looks cool but if they wanted something that convoluted they should’ve at least committed to it fully but having a bit of psychic energy be placed by his hand and then kicked by his foot?

  • @pocketvices
    @pocketvices Місяць тому +73

    How tf yall make it this far believing Dk down air was a punch lol

    • @demonssinglosongs
      @demonssinglosongs Місяць тому +17

      it’s way more clear in a game like melee (its MUCH better there, even) but the particle effects and wind-up animation on his arm just make it really confusing. i think it’s the single most baffling animation in the game next to diddy kong’s upair which has the same problem

    • @pochocho8225
      @pochocho8225 Місяць тому +1

      Same

    • @captainmega6310
      @captainmega6310 Місяць тому +2

      Because a lot people are stupid

    • @Scarecrow545
      @Scarecrow545 Місяць тому +4

      The first thing that grabs the eye is him winding up jabbing downward with his fist. At speed his arm and leg can kinda run together.

    • @x8bitpixel
      @x8bitpixel 28 днів тому

      My dad sometimes calls it a punch whenever I use it lol.

  • @burbusburbus8782
    @burbusburbus8782 Місяць тому +25

    Maybe cold take, but i think luigi would feel much more like luigi, in both gameplay and animations, if they based him off of the "mario and Luigi" rpgs

  • @Sylvastier
    @Sylvastier Місяць тому +34

    Ness seems less like he's focused on delivering a strong defined kick, and moreso focusing on aiming his PSI for a precise strike. Which would explain why he changes from a florish (using it for ensuring his position and aiming which is why he eyes are following through) into the sudden strike. That also goes along with Lucas' portrayal where he's firing off multiple kicks and hoping his last/stronger one lands which feels in character with their smash characterization where Ness is confident and expirienced with PSI while Lucas is more chaotic.

    • @GameMasterWLC
      @GameMasterWLC Місяць тому +3

      That is a pretty good way of putting it yeah. I think that characterization was especially present in their Smash 4 renders

    • @yotomoe5953
      @yotomoe5953 Місяць тому +5

      Yeah It's weird to see him make Ness Jump as many times as he did and not realize that a lot of Ness's characterization in the air leans off his very "floaty and mystical" feel. The spin is less to build momentum and more to fit the floatiness of Ness's air movement. The PSI being main force generating most of the knockback.

  • @legendarysoil1064
    @legendarysoil1064 Місяць тому +10

    1:00 One thing that makes Falcon’s dair animation so good is that it’s one of the few moves that provides him with tangible hurtbox shifting, instead of extending his hurtbox in some way

  • @mattgibson9337
    @mattgibson9337 Місяць тому +16

    maybe testing wii fit trainer on a stage with a mostly white background was a bad idea, couldn't really see her down air when it was zoomed out and still had issues when it was zoomed in

  • @jonathanhargraves2241
    @jonathanhargraves2241 Місяць тому +7

    It's extremely funny looking at Min Min's kick and thinking about Robin's devious double knee drop, only to see it right after with ZSS's weak down air

  • @e.m.2168
    @e.m.2168 Місяць тому +5

    53:08 I actually kinda like that his body doesn’t react; even without the context of knowing it’s from zelda 2, it does give that vibe of being like a retro sprite, and just adds to the humor of the move (and I think pogo sticking off of your opponent using a sword is a pretty humorous move concept to begin with)
    Also, with the landing animation, it looks like his left leg hits the ground first and then his right leg extends to catch himself, somewhat explaining the change in pose

  • @RedBoi88
    @RedBoi88 Місяць тому +3

    15:21 this should be Robin's down-air if he ever gets into Multiversus

  • @insomniacnerd5592
    @insomniacnerd5592 Місяць тому +11

    My boy Ridley needed to be baked more in the oven, I swear.

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 Місяць тому +25

    Okay... So DK's down air... Just imagine what it would look like if the motions were almost exactly the same, but instead of using his foot he punched downwards with one arm. I think it would work really well, and would be much more fitting for DK (he even sticks his arms up at the start, which looks like he's winding up for a punch).

    • @mrmediocre848
      @mrmediocre848 Місяць тому +7

      I think it could be a palm strike to better mimic his current dair, but a punch works for me.

    • @varanus5622
      @varanus5622 Місяць тому +5

      That would look really weird to me. It would look so cramped and awkward and wouldn’t have any power behind it unless they completely change the animation.

  • @peppermintzoro4907
    @peppermintzoro4907 Місяць тому +11

    I remember thinking that DK's down air was a big single punch for the longest time before a friend pointed out that it was a stomp and slowed down the animation.

  • @stev7074
    @stev7074 Місяць тому +9

    I think a neat defense for ZSS is that shes falling so fast that she needs to rocket heels to provide another force in the opposite direction, doesn't really save it since that isn't conveyed in the physics or momentum but I thought about it after noticing that detail

  • @xenozora7239
    @xenozora7239 Місяць тому +15

    I always thought dk used his arm for his down air, i guess you learn something new everyday

  • @Aidswayz
    @Aidswayz Місяць тому +70

    Honestly an issue I have with down airs are how some of them look like they’re hitting you with a different part of their body. For example: DK and Palutena. For the longest time I thought DK was hitting you with his hand and Palu with her staff due to their animations, but no, they’re both hitting you with their foot. I keep having to remind myself they are using their foot instead of what I thought before. Makes it more weird for me to know it isn’t what I think it looks like

    • @MockRockTalk
      @MockRockTalk  Місяць тому +52

      I don't get the DK one because that's always seemed like an obvious stomp to my eyes, but for Palutena, tbh I can see it. I still thought it was a kick, not a staff swing, but it wasn't the same kick trajectory I expected when I slowed it down.

    • @Aidswayz
      @Aidswayz Місяць тому +19

      @@MockRockTalk for why I see DK as a hand slam instead of a foot stomp, his arms and hands take the spotlight and are front in center for the animation. The foot kind of gets pushed to the back, which is why my eyes gravitate towards his arms and hands, therefore, think it’s a hand slam.
      For Palu, it’s really about the particle effects and the curve of her kick. Kicks usually come out straight, instead of a swipe. The staff would make sense to have it be a swipe. And like I said, the particle effects make it look more “heavenly” rather than human. If that all makes sense

    • @thatfedoraguy1112
      @thatfedoraguy1112 Місяць тому +7

      For me the reason I thought dk was using his fist was because his backhand raises up before the hit actually comes out like most other moves

    • @OrigamiAhsoka
      @OrigamiAhsoka Місяць тому +10

      I thought dk’s was a punch until this vid 😭

    • @SSM24_
      @SSM24_ Місяць тому +8

      I feel like the shape of DK's feet also contributes to the confusion. If they didn't literally just look like hands due to him being a gorilla and all, it'd probably be more clear.

  • @devin5201
    @devin5201 Місяць тому +6

    Mario really said "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick wahoo!"

  • @jinsye4713
    @jinsye4713 Місяць тому +17

    If I had to say, I think my most wanted animation tier list would be a tier list for the Victory Animations. Lots of them are filled with so many charming moments and references that I'd love to see them analyzed in-depth. Of course, it'd be a lot of work, but I really think it would be cool.

  • @UnSaxon51
    @UnSaxon51 Місяць тому +3

    Great list! One follow-up regarding Banjo-Kazooie:
    While the lingering hit during the fall is only middling in power, it DOES have a powerful spike on that initial thrust. Not sure if that would have been enough to bump it up, but figured it was worth mentioning. 👍

  • @Dante...
    @Dante... Місяць тому +14

    Wtf? I never noticed that Little Mac's dair is actually a palm strike instead of a punch. Why would he do that lol.

  • @Mojomanmax123
    @Mojomanmax123 Місяць тому +8

    while i think the jet boots don't work physically in zero suit's down air. the striking blue spikes silhouettes coming out of the bottom of her shoes really makes the move 10 times more flashy and memorable. without them it would not be nearly as cool.

  • @MrCow-ir4gw
    @MrCow-ir4gw Місяць тому +71

    If I had a nickel for every time MockRock was disappointed by a Luigi animation in smash i’d have two nickels… which isn’t much but it’s weird that it happened twice.

    • @SugarMeowYT
      @SugarMeowYT Місяць тому +5

      If i had a nickel for every time mockrock disliked a mii swordfighter attack, id be a millionaire 😭😭😭 i feel like bro has a vendetta against swordfighter. (Yes im aware the dair is in a tier in this video)

  • @locknessmonster3827
    @locknessmonster3827 Місяць тому +5

    I think that I might be crazy, but does Joker place himself in the hangman positions of the tarot cards. It is a unusual detail.

    • @boogsss2
      @boogsss2 Місяць тому

      Very on brand for Joker

  • @OrigamiAhsoka
    @OrigamiAhsoka Місяць тому +32

    Wii fit’s grab looks like the intended landing animation for down air LMAO

  • @StanzoSAP
    @StanzoSAP Місяць тому +4

    I think you should have looked at the spike silhouettes more because the kill screens for the spikes play a big part in how satisfying they feel

  • @MrMinimicrobe
    @MrMinimicrobe Місяць тому +4

    I figure ZSS's boots constantly going off is supposed to reflect that the move is a spike the whole way through while she's going straight down with the same magical momentum every other stall and fall has. Doesn't explain the one diagonal rocket boot, but yeah

  • @jackhamson6161
    @jackhamson6161 Місяць тому +8

    I knew Ganondorf was going to be S tier lol

  • @AtJoee230
    @AtJoee230 Місяць тому +7

    1:52:09 I just noticed that Sonic's landing animation has a bit of a problem: After he hits the ground, it looks like he should continue his momentum and catch himself with his right hand, instead his hand contorts in this very odd way so his left hand is the one that touches the ground, which just makes the whole thing look very unconfortable and strange.

  • @jonathanlgill
    @jonathanlgill Місяць тому +9

    April Fool's Video suggestion: an animation tier list (or general gameplay review) of PlayStation All-Stars. Seems like it'd be funny to do for an off-brand Smash clone.
    For the actual video: I too find Dr. Mario's downwards stomp to be a bit weird looking. For me it's a B-tier.

  • @ShokoArc
    @ShokoArc Місяць тому +12

    Wish Mario's dAir was the ground pound instead, the spinning could be his Nair

    • @blocks4857
      @blocks4857 Місяць тому +3

      Why? It has no purpose in his kit

  • @PikminAnd
    @PikminAnd Місяць тому +7

    I hate that Olimar's animations always tend to look either really bland or really amateurish.
    Not making Olimar do a full front flip during his down air is a mistake even a random intern could notice, let alone a group of professional animators.
    It's like they just didn't care.

  • @tymunster
    @tymunster Місяць тому +2

    I think the olimar down air backflip situation is because he's pulling the pikmin back up, and I kinda like it from that perspective. Like he swung them down, then they had enough force down there that pulling them back up flips him around.

  • @jstar3382
    @jstar3382 Місяць тому +5

    21:45 my issue is the effect on it. The wind makes it seem more like a slap than a big slam

  • @jstar3382
    @jstar3382 Місяць тому +6

    9:46 its a claw swipe. It doesn't need a ton of buildup

  • @firstwaddledee9182
    @firstwaddledee9182 Місяць тому +3

    It’s crazy to me that you mentioned Incineroar’s legs being stubby when Doc, Pac Man, and ESPECIALLY Charizard go unmentioned

    • @PhillipMoore-td5yi
      @PhillipMoore-td5yi 18 днів тому

      He hates how much incineroar uses his legs. Almost every arial in fact

    • @firstwaddledee9182
      @firstwaddledee9182 18 днів тому

      @@PhillipMoore-td5yi ok… that doesn’t change my point though. He doesn’t like Incineroar’s kick moves because they’re stubby (which is a crazy idea on its own but whatever) which is just amplified by how many aireals are kicks.

    • @PhillipMoore-td5yi
      @PhillipMoore-td5yi 18 днів тому

      @@firstwaddledee9182 I agree dude I am not arguing with you I am giving his reasoning as far as I understood it. Also dk kinda has short legs for his down air as well

  • @riqua27
    @riqua27 Місяць тому +6

    Thankfully you didn't talk anything bad about Corrin Beautiful Leg Drill. Cause some Terry main out there will be mad if you said anything bad about Corrin Beautiful Leg Drill!!!

  • @SkeleXon
    @SkeleXon Місяць тому +5

    35:16 guys he said the thing!!

  • @Imprez2564
    @Imprez2564 Місяць тому +2

    "The landing animation for this one fits Snake well, very SOLID"
    NICE

  • @marthlowell9029
    @marthlowell9029 Місяць тому +4

    babe wake up new "ranking every animation" video dropped

  • @Ultrapredator1H
    @Ultrapredator1H Місяць тому +9

    20:45 and it EXPANDS

  • @dootdoodle569
    @dootdoodle569 Місяць тому +4

    just yesterday i was thinking we hadn’t had an animation ranking in a while, now i know how i’m going to spend my afternoon :D

  • @mrbister8714
    @mrbister8714 Місяць тому +1

    Best part of Corrin down air is the fact that her feet magically grow thumbs during it

  • @ElecManEXE
    @ElecManEXE Місяць тому +2

    Aw yeah, glad to see these come back. Always love an excuse to use over an hour looking at some great animations in-depth.
    I never realized just how awkard Palutena's Dair looked. That is some seriously strange motion. Then again it took me a long time to realize it was a kick and not a staff swipe. Just kind of a strangely animated move overall I guess, which is a bit odd since so many of her other animations are so smooth. Not really sure why they made it a kick in the first place, in addition to not really fitting with most of her other attacks it seems like it did no favors for animation either.
    Probably wouldn't have changed the overall score, but you did seem to overlook the snarky grin on Piranha Plant during the dair. Or maybe you just didn't think it was worth mentioning, but you did bring up the fact that the move lacks the character that other moves can sometimes display. I dunno, seems like a decent character detail to me. And keeping that grin visible might be partially the reason for less overshoot.

  • @DracoNocti
    @DracoNocti Місяць тому +1

    so something to note for shiek at 1:17:20 is that the left arm being the one to catch can make sense since it could be imparting a lot of the falls force through that arm by slapping it into the ground, which is a real way to make falls less painful. though this is under the assumption that shiek wont just break her arm from putting that much kinetic force through it.

  • @Geneolgia
    @Geneolgia Місяць тому +3

    This reminds me how Mii Gunner has a few animations that would look cooler on Samus such as down air or down smash.

  • @dextra_24703
    @dextra_24703 Місяць тому +1

    Sephiroths down air is one of his moves in his Boss fight called Hells Gate, it normally sends out six projectiles into each direction of the Shockwave effect.

  • @Jeffrey_Watkins
    @Jeffrey_Watkins Місяць тому +1

    I really like watching these, it's interesting to see the criteria that goes into the rankings and it's fun to watch all the movements in slow motion and dissect the physics, fluidity, and personality in each one - even the ones that end up in the lower brackets

  • @2350CST
    @2350CST Місяць тому +1

    One thing they defo could’ve done with Kazuya’s down-air to sell more commitment while maintaining accuracy to the source material is simply making it so he goes into a mistech situation afterwards
    Demon Scissors, or [4~3] in Tekken is a strong damaging move where he hurls his entire body at you, but the drawback is that he ends up in a knockdown state and has to get up as if he were in one
    This could solve the lack of commitment the Smash rendition has while offering more faithfulness to the original series, plus I think sending yourself into a mistech situation is neat and underused and only seen on two characters (Charizard side-B, aerial Banjo side-B without any uses left)

  • @Roto-J
    @Roto-J Місяць тому +1

    With Hero, I imagine that he sticks the sword into the ground, lets go to push up on it with reverse grip, then has to let go again to grab it with the correct grip. The push off itself is what loosens the sword and makes it start to slide down when he lets go

  • @JEWong47
    @JEWong47 Місяць тому +1

    One thing i like about Wolf and Fox's dairs is how their tails are consciously included in the design of the attack, where most of the time they're sort of an aftethought. Fox's wraps his tail around his body as he spins, and Wolf's tail shoots out the moment he slams downward to help convey a little bit more of the power he's putting behind the swinf

  • @ShadowNite1105
    @ShadowNite1105 Місяць тому +2

    57:09 I'm so glad I'm not the only one who hates T. Link's sword sfx. It sounds like someone's cutting you with a blanket if that makes sense

  • @jasonramirez1064
    @jasonramirez1064 Місяць тому +2

    The thing with Banjo's is that even in the original game Kazzoie doesn't do a flap to increase momentum

  • @SonicTheCutehog
    @SonicTheCutehog Місяць тому +2

    Sephiroth's Down Air is literally killer

  • @Mr.D0rAdE517
    @Mr.D0rAdE517 Місяць тому +4

    1:14 Mario 20:28 Donkey Kong 52:29 Link 35:31 Samus 15:58 Yoshi 1:27:44 Kirby 7:58 Fox 1:22:22 Pikachu 5:00 Luigi 31:37 Ness 0:33 Captain Falcon 1:32:41 JigglyPuff.

  • @dc_dachi
    @dc_dachi Місяць тому +2

    For the most part, I think Ness’s animations have all gotten way better since most of them were reworked Smash 4/Ultimate, but one thing I do miss is his old dair from 64/Brawl/Melee. In those games it was definitely super clear that Ness was just stomping the shit out of you. No psychic powers, just this kid dropping his foot with all of his weight. It’s a lot less clear what he’s doing now.
    One reason for this is, like you mentioned, the spin into the stomp. Originally, the spin was a part of the recovery frames after delivering the stomp. Smash 4 changed this so the spin was incorporated into the startup, but the problem with this is that a spin doesn’t really generate the kind of power necessary for a strong stomp attack, so it makes the motion confusing, especially combined with the lack of in-between frames. This is also one of the moves where adding the new PSI particle effects doesn’t add much, and just sort of breaks up the silhouette of the attack. And this might just be me, but a magical PSI-infused kick somehow feels less brutal than just fucking slamming the bottom of your foot onto some dude’s head, idk why that is exactly.

  • @jonathanlgill
    @jonathanlgill Місяць тому +1

    I never realized that Mewtwo's dair was a foot-attack. I always assumed he was thrusting his palm downwards to emit dark, psychic energy. Wow.

  • @Iamverykarpy
    @Iamverykarpy Місяць тому +1

    im surprised you didnt mention puffs down air being one of the few times a smash multi hit actually has a distinct final hit, also wtf i swear ive never seen that palu animation before i thought her down air was like zeldas

  • @tychozzyx9439
    @tychozzyx9439 12 днів тому +1

    I think DeDeDe's hold is a reference to the early dream land games. He would jump to the top of the screen, stall, swing, then fall with the hammer down at a 45 angle. Impact with the ground would spawn the star Kirby could then respond with. Maybe not the best reference, but not nothing

  • @nicolask.3825
    @nicolask.3825 Місяць тому +14

    until just now I thought DK's down air actually *did* have him punch down instead of stomping, it just doesn't read super well at full speed.

    • @wyrmworks6991
      @wyrmworks6991 Місяць тому +6

      Even in slow motion, it really looks to me like he’s winding up to punch down, not kick. It’s pretty odd to me, actually.

    • @kirbylover37
      @kirbylover37 Місяць тому

      His hands are tan and contrast his body, and you see his hands stay at head level. I don't see how people get confused with DK's down air

  • @birds1062
    @birds1062 Місяць тому +2

    I'd love to see a down smash animation tier list, theres so many cool ways that characters hit both sides that it would be nice to see you rank them

  • @Scienceboy0
    @Scienceboy0 Місяць тому +1

    There are unique landing animations for each aerial!?!?!?!? This game's detail is insane.

  • @ericmartinez813
    @ericmartinez813 Місяць тому +1

    At 21:17 when talking about Diddy's Down Air, I think that extra oomph he's missing with it is a spin. Most characters, when putting a bunch of effort into a rotational attack do a spin for the ending animation. Diddy, despite the effort he's clearly puting into the double handed slam, doesn't spin at the end. Donkey Kong does with his Forward Air, but Diddy doesn't despite the similar concepts, or Kong-cepts, so to speak.

  • @googyta
    @googyta Місяць тому +2

    Kazuya's dair was a little lost in translation. It makes more sense in Tekken where it's a front flip TOWARDS the opponent. Getting rid of that forward motion makes it look like he's leaping onto a bed with some enthusiasm. Since Tekken is not a game with much aerial interaction beyond juggling, choices were always going to be limited and I'm glad they went with a weird choice to stand out from the other fighter characters.

  • @threes_leaves
    @threes_leaves Місяць тому +1

    I think the problem with Dedede and Plant not having good follow-through is that the animations seem to be made assuming you're hitting at the sweet spot, where all of the momentum would flow into the opponent. But that makes it so on a miss it just looks awkward.

  • @SharurFoF
    @SharurFoF Місяць тому +1

    Now that you bring up the twin sword thing, Pit dair should probably be the swords slashing from opposite sides and crossing in the middle.

  • @ChargedBonsai98
    @ChargedBonsai98 Місяць тому +1

    I feel like hero's landing animation is meant to be seen later in the attack, so its just gravity taking the sword into the ground, rather than any force from hero himself.

  • @ringss_
    @ringss_ Місяць тому +1

    I think K. Rool's flip adds to the down air in giving his legs a reason to be tucked, it'd be kinda awkward if he just raised his legs outward as his stomach stops them from being raised in front of him like Ganon or Falcon

  • @geridax7027
    @geridax7027 Місяць тому +1

    Mewtwo needs bonus points for the smooth backflip

  • @airlock7367
    @airlock7367 Місяць тому +1

    wrt Joker: wait oh my god -- is he doing a The Hanged Man pose?? I never saw it in full speed, but it's a very funny touch
    wrt Byleth: I feel like the recovery thing is kind of where the reality of axe physics comes crashing down on fictional concept of axes -- because the way you generally "recover" after a big axe swing like that is, you wind up for the next one, because axes are fast lightweight weapons!
    wrt Banjo-Kazooie: it's weird both in terms of functionality and animation that Beak Buster came out this weak in Smash, because in its game of origin it is one of the duo's hardest-hitting moves, even with Tooie introducing an upgrade. like, when you land that in Banjo-Kazooie, it shakes the screen and yields a very strong vocalization out of Kazooie!
    wrt Wii Fit Trainer: I feel like what that landing is going for is "big knee stretch". the particles really hinder more than they help if that's the concept though

  • @trollcatgirl
    @trollcatgirl Місяць тому +1

    My guess for why Sheik lands on her opposite hand is because her body is moving in that direction, so it makes stop herself with that arm. I agree though, it definitely looks weird

  • @ltrigga219
    @ltrigga219 Місяць тому +1

    I watched all the way through just to hear the obviously expected “Ganondorf stomp animation is S tier. Duh.” 😍

  • @backfloop
    @backfloop Місяць тому +5

    bayo stepping on you is s tier

  • @LiveActiveCultures
    @LiveActiveCultures Місяць тому

    The only way I’d sit through this 2 hour video about down air animations is if the FBI locked me in an interrogation cell and glued my eyes open

  • @heroichero8662
    @heroichero8662 Місяць тому +1

    It's been a while since we've gotten an animation ranking tier list. I personally look forward to these videos the most. And, in the meanwhile, I was thinking about what MockRock would do next. Maybe a Smash Attack? How 'bout a tilt attack? Nope, just going straight for the exciting Down Aerials!

  • @legendarysoil1064
    @legendarysoil1064 Місяць тому +1

    21:30 Diddy’d down air is actually the 3rd strongest spike behind Ganon and Byleth’s dair

  • @d-tergent7899
    @d-tergent7899 24 дні тому +1

    Shoutouts to Project M where Ivysaur down air has enough recoil to make it a viable recovery for long distances

  • @joey5745
    @joey5745 Місяць тому +1

    You should hold an animation contest. Give your audience a prompt like fix the F tier Down Air animations Then review your favs in a video, that’d be cool to see,

  • @Driff97
    @Driff97 Місяць тому +1

    Bayonetta's landing animation had to be good because it's where the Bullet Arts for Down Air comes from.

  • @masterofdoots5965
    @masterofdoots5965 Місяць тому +1

    I feel like you really need a D-tier to separate mediocre bad from abject failure

  • @tlt_foxy617
    @tlt_foxy617 Місяць тому +1

    Yayyy !!! Animation tier lists!! Love to hear your feedback on the animations on ultimate, which, while having a monstruous number of moves, still has some on the cleaner and snappier animations in newer video games imo. I hope these videos will come to Nintendo in any way or form because your analyses (especially on feel of power/weight shown through the startup and recovery of the moves) are genuinely helpful for animating. I myself saw many of my mistakes on my own animations thanks to your seriously incredible and in depth analyses, so, thanks a lot for doing this.

  • @Lira_orpheus
    @Lira_orpheus Місяць тому +1

    -I don't like that Didi opens his legs during the startup. It would be better if he opened them with the actual hit. A bit like Mii Brawler.
    -I love how Terry's looks more energetic, he clearly is (hehe) a street fighter compared to Ryu's more restricted martial artist punch.
    -They even used the Aerith Mii in the reveal trailer.
    -Mii Swordie goes wiiii.
    -Damn I love Shulk's aerials.
    -I've never noticed that Mewtwo kicks in it's dair. I always thought it was a blast from it's hand, like fsmash.
    -Damn, Sora's is a smooth landing.
    -Rosalina is pretty nice... But Luma loves to steal the show in many animations.

  • @ashdenhayden2672
    @ashdenhayden2672 Місяць тому +1

    6:31 I see Luigi’s down air landing differently. I feel like it looks weird because it should be. He put too much energy into the attack causing him to spin too much which made his legs move faster than his upper body by the time he landed.
    11:40 I think Ivysaur’s bulb should actually give him a little bit of a height boost as that would make the move seem a bit more powerful.
    36:15 I think Samus’ down air also works when not looking at us because her legs are moving allowing those particles to be shown naturally instead of clipping through.
    1:11:39 I think the reason Pyrrha’s seems so good is because it’s not actually a relaxed swing, it feels as if the sword is so big and heavy that she’s having trouble pulling it down.
    1:30:13 I feel like the abruptness of this one sells how powerful it is because of how far dedede pulls back. The rapid stop makes Dedede feel as powerful as the rest of his moves. Especially since in his games and the tv show he is shown to actually work on training himself to fight Kirby

  • @theovereditedarena5672
    @theovereditedarena5672 Місяць тому +1

    For Inceneroar, a double stomp is a pretty common wrestling move, whether in American wrestling, Japanese wrestling, or Lucha, you see a lot of double stomps. Inceneroar’s down air seems more based off the Finn Balor double stomp than say, Super Dragon’s double stomp, and if you see the Finn Balor stomp it looks a lot like that, especially the extension.

  • @CarbonMalite
    @CarbonMalite Місяць тому +2

    This has me curious what you'd think about every jump animation. That and up smash, because apparently Falco's is anatomically insane

  • @mbmproductions9217
    @mbmproductions9217 Місяць тому +1

    i love watching these videos and looking out for the 12 funny phrases you say in each of them. like please tell me how much you hate toon link's swishy sword sounds. tell me that ike should have a projectile beam this is exactly what i'm here for

  • @nerdyfalco408
    @nerdyfalco408 Місяць тому +1

    I thought for like at least 2 years that DK's stomp was actually a downward punch

  • @ABAgamer_
    @ABAgamer_ Місяць тому +1

    Been definitely looking forward to this move tier-list for a while, and hearing your opinions on these is what I love about these videos.

  • @randomguy8107
    @randomguy8107 Місяць тому +2

    Am I the only person who really likes Tink’s SFX ?

    • @Squiferz
      @Squiferz 28 днів тому +1

      from what i understand, you either hate it or love it