Soto Amicus is my Favorite, for under 40€ and never failed on me. I bought it in summer 2020 and love it ever since. This Sommer I travelt 5 weeks and used it every Single Day, 2-3 Times a day, it used just one 450g canister for the whole trip, it is perfect for my usage. Never had a Stove like this, would buy it again in a heart beat :)
I bought the amicus after I stepped on my pocket rocket. I love it, seems more wind resistant and is able to burn on low heat for simmering if I'm doing some actual cooking.
Soto Amicus comes out on top for me as well. And mine has also never failed me. One of my favorite details: it's the lightest upright stove you can get that has its own piezo igniter. Add that to its bomb-proof wind performance and I don't think I'll ever give mine up.
Walmart now sells a 4 in 1 stove set, budget of course, that comes with a case, a isobutane stand, stove and most importantly, a propane adapter. For $12 it’s a awesome budget start stove for money conscious and first time purchasers. The adapter is aluminum vs steel but on the other hand the stove has a piezoelectric igniter.
My favorite is the Jetboil MightyMo. A little heavy than most at 3.3 oz. And a cost of $59.95 including a 3-legged stand that attaches the fuel canister for added stability. But the stove has an ignitor and regulator that provides better use in Winter and great simmer control.
Very good summation Dr. Ernie thank you. I have 3 of these stoves, the 2 MSRs and the Windmaster. I mostly use the Windmaster but sometimes the PR2 with a smaller pot because it has a narrow flame pattern.
There are so many options out there these days, we are big fans of the MSR Pocket Rocket 2 as well and have had no issues with it thus far. We usually still carry a little twig stove as a back up though, just in case.
Enjoyed your video. I have the PR2, Windmaster and Pocket Rocket Deluxe. The only issue I have with the PR2 is it is loud, at least mine is. My preferred stove for my uses is the original Pocket Rocket in the triangular hard case, I just love it and even bought a spare.
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for all your videos! Love "em all. You're taking alot of pain out of, and saving alot of time for, those of us who are new to the market. MUCH GRATITUDE to your for all the time and energy invested. You are making a difference, brother. Keep up the good work... and don't forget to chill once in awhile.
I've seen this exact comment of yours in another video. You must really love eggs! But that might be a bit tough to carry out since judging when an egg is "done" is a bit subjective vs boiling water.
@@Accurize2 You are right about loving eggs at breakfast. I always have trouble getting even heat in the pan, and maintaining the right temperature. Right now, I've learned to live with a broad range of conditions in the finished product.😁
Bought the Pocket Rocket 2 from REI on sale for $37. I've always used alcohol stoves for hiking but for ease of use and speed I'll give this a try. Thanks for the reviews Ernie.
Do you ever actually "Cook" something on any of these stoves? Fry an egg? Fry up some bacon? Cook some Bannocks???? "Enquiring minds want to know!" For me the boiling water bit is only 20 or 30% of what I need to do with my "Camping Stove"! Lets try some bannocks next time!
Just pulled the trigger on a MSR Whisperlite Universal, it's my 2nd ever liquid fuel stove (first one is a Coleman Dual Sport, absolutely badass stove for a canoe/horseback style trip by the by) and I just realized my favorite stove guy hasn't done a top 5 liquid fuel stove list and it hurt my soul man, it cut real deep, but I know you'll rectify this in the fullness of time and I can stop eating antacids like pez candy lol
Great video! I've had a Snow Peak Gigapower for years but will now give the Windmaster a try. Have you ever used the MSR Lowdown with any canister stoves?
I would be interested to see a boil test with time and consumption on the first 2 stoves by regulating the flame so it doesn't run up the sides of the pot. My theory is that this is wasted energy.
I wish there was a better way to test stoves, I don't think an all out boil test is the best test of performance . Maybe a cook time on something, idk:)
@Kevin Smith most people are concerned with boiling performance. I personally own 4 out of these five and for cooking the Soto windmaster Is easily the best period
I gave up on my Optimus Crux years ago. I had two problems: wouldn't stand straight, would start out burning strong but after a couple of minutes would peter out. So the stove I use the most is the SOTO Micro regulator stove. But like many who watch your channel I have bins of stoves.
Interesting video Ernie. All the stoves were running at full tilt, with much of the flame escaping up the side of the pan. It would be interesting to rerun the tests with the flame reduced down. Although the boil time will increase hopefully the gas used will be significantly less.
For gas, I have my Soto Windmaster with the MSR Low Down, seriously worthy looking at for uprights, bloody damned good combo! but yeah, not cheap! Still, if I can, I'd rather use my Bushcraft Ess. XL Ti any day of the week.
I have the BRS 3000 and a pocket rocket 2. I also have the Neo Ross wind shield that fits them both and gives them good wind protection whether using a pot or a fry pan.
I was wondering? You always do your boil tests with the stove ‘full-on’ with the flames ‘licking’ around the bottom of the pot and up the sides. Isn’t this inefficient? Have you tried turning the stove(s) down so the flame remains only on the base on not licking up the sides. I noticed on this video the Pocket Rocket stayed mostly on the base of the pot, with minimum licking up the sides. Be nice to hear your comments on this?
I think all these stoves including alcohol stoves get better boil times with a broader based pot. Now if they just soled a reactor heat sink ring like on the bottom of the Jetboils, you wouldn't get so much flame wasted up the side of the pot.
Here's an interesting challenge for you is there a remote canister multi fuel stove that can support a 10" cast iron skillet? That would be super useful for pickup shell camping that I like to do.
Do you see it as an upgrade after use? I bought the Soto amicus it seems ok but the pot stand though it works well doesn’t seem like it would take 10 years of use imo, I am considering picking up a pocket rocket 1.0
Please do a review of the Soto Fusion Trek stove. Keep up the excellent reviews. I appreciate that you use a scientific method to test the stoves you review and keep your videos relatively short and to the point.
Another stove that I would recommend is Primus P115. It combines BRS’ compactness and Soto Windmaster’s wind resistance, but it seems it is only sold in Japan. Costs around $45.
I have two Pocket Rockets v1 and they’re great, but for using the frying pan the heat is too concentrated. I think I’m going for the Optimus, partly because I have a few and love them all. Thanks Dr. P.S. notifications don’t always work, I had to go to your channel directly to see what’s going on. I’m going to unsubscribe and re-subscribe with all notifications and see if that helps.
You kinda did the Crux a disservice by not showing that the case pulls over bottom and attaches to the top of the propane cannister and nestles the stove underneath it. Noboby wants to put it underneath unsecured and rattling around without the case that integrates with the cannister and potects the stove and your cookware.
Someone mentioned that the flame goes weaker after a few minutes and it isn’t very good at supporting pots I went with the soto amicus kind of wish I got the msr pocket rocket 2 now though
Instead of the BRS which I find just too cheap I use the Olicamp Ion Micro Titanium. Yes it's much more expensive but has far better flame control and overall feels substantial. Weight 45gm 1.5oz
It’s hard to imagine a boiling scenario that you haven’t tested, so I have an observation/question. I was told a long time ago that for maximum efficiency, crank the stove all the way up, then back it off just a smidge until the flame lowers a tiny bit. It might take a couple of seconds longer to boil, but the efficiency will be way better. It appears that when you do boil tests, you always crank the stove to max. Do you think that the “back it off a bit” method gains any gas savings? I could test it out myself, but if you’ve already done that it would save me the fuel... Thanks Ernie!!!
Optimus Crux some BAD reviews on Amazon neat idea but it sounds like it has issues think I'll stick with my Trangia Gas Burner it fits right in where my Trangia Alcohol Burner sits an it can be used with the Firebox, if I ever get one
My personal favourite is the soto windmaster especially combined with thethermostack cook set, it's brilliant for solo hikes. 🙂
Soto Amicus is my Favorite, for under 40€ and never failed on me. I bought it in summer 2020 and love it ever since. This Sommer I travelt 5 weeks and used it every Single Day, 2-3 Times a day, it used just one 450g canister for the whole trip, it is perfect for my usage. Never had a Stove like this, would buy it again in a heart beat :)
I bought the amicus after I stepped on my pocket rocket. I love it, seems more wind resistant and is able to burn on low heat for simmering if I'm doing some actual cooking.
Soto Amicus comes out on top for me as well. And mine has also never failed me. One of my favorite details: it's the lightest upright stove you can get that has its own piezo igniter. Add that to its bomb-proof wind performance and I don't think I'll ever give mine up.
Walmart now sells a 4 in 1 stove set, budget of course, that comes with a case, a isobutane stand, stove and most importantly, a propane adapter. For $12 it’s a awesome budget start stove for money conscious and first time purchasers. The adapter is aluminum vs steel but on the other hand the stove has a piezoelectric igniter.
After doing research I ended up buying the Soto Windmaster earlier this year and it's great. Cheers!
My favorite is the Jetboil MightyMo. A little heavy than most at 3.3 oz. And a cost of $59.95 including a 3-legged stand that attaches the fuel canister for added stability. But the stove has an ignitor and regulator that provides better use in Winter and great simmer control.
Very good summation Dr. Ernie thank you. I have 3 of these stoves, the 2 MSRs and the Windmaster. I mostly use the Windmaster but sometimes the PR2 with a smaller pot because it has a narrow flame pattern.
Great review! We have the Soto Wind Master and MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe, love both👍Thank you!
There are so many options out there these days, we are big fans of the MSR Pocket Rocket 2 as well and have had no issues with it thus far. We usually still carry a little twig stove as a back up though, just in case.
Enjoyed your video. I have the PR2, Windmaster and Pocket Rocket Deluxe. The only issue I have with the PR2 is it is loud, at least mine is. My preferred stove for my uses is the original Pocket Rocket in the triangular hard case, I just love it and even bought a spare.
Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for all your videos! Love "em all. You're taking alot of pain out of, and saving alot of time for, those of us who are new to the market. MUCH GRATITUDE to your for all the time and energy invested. You are making a difference, brother. Keep up the good work... and don't forget to chill once in awhile.
I'd love to see a comparison of egg frying over these types of burners.
I've seen this exact comment of yours in another video. You must really love eggs! But that might be a bit tough to carry out since judging when an egg is "done" is a bit subjective vs boiling water.
@@Accurize2 You are right about loving eggs at breakfast. I always have trouble getting even heat in the pan, and maintaining the right temperature. Right now, I've learned to live with a broad range of conditions in the finished product.😁
Always remember the mechanic's creed: Righty tighty, lefty loosey! 😊😊😊
Bought the Pocket Rocket 2 from REI on sale for $37. I've always used alcohol stoves for hiking but for ease of use and speed I'll give this a try. Thanks for the reviews Ernie.
Do you ever actually "Cook" something on any of these stoves? Fry an egg? Fry up some bacon? Cook some Bannocks????
"Enquiring minds want to know!"
For me the boiling water bit is only 20 or 30% of what I need to do with my "Camping Stove"!
Lets try some bannocks next time!
Optimus crux looks pretty slick.
Love the pocket rocket! And...I agree, they are all good stoves. ATB
Just pulled the trigger on a MSR Whisperlite Universal, it's my 2nd ever liquid fuel stove (first one is a Coleman Dual Sport, absolutely badass stove for a canoe/horseback style trip by the by) and I just realized my favorite stove guy hasn't done a top 5 liquid fuel stove list and it hurt my soul man, it cut real deep, but I know you'll rectify this in the fullness of time and I can stop eating antacids like pez candy lol
Great video! I've had a Snow Peak Gigapower for years but will now give the Windmaster a try. Have you ever used the MSR Lowdown with any canister stoves?
I would be interested to see a boil test with time and consumption on the first 2 stoves by regulating the flame so it doesn't run up the sides of the pot. My theory is that this is wasted energy.
I wish there was a better way to test stoves, I don't think an all out boil test is the best test of performance . Maybe a cook time on something, idk:)
@Kevin Smith most people are concerned with boiling performance. I personally own 4 out of these five and for cooking the Soto windmaster Is easily the best period
I gave up on my Optimus Crux years ago. I had two problems: wouldn't stand straight, would start out burning strong but after a couple of minutes would peter out. So the stove I use the most is the SOTO Micro regulator stove.
But like many who watch your channel I have bins of stoves.
Interesting video Ernie. All the stoves were running at full tilt, with much of the flame escaping up the side of the pan. It would be interesting to rerun the tests with the flame reduced down. Although the boil time will increase hopefully the gas used will be significantly less.
I was thinking the same thing. Fuel is wasted if the flame are going up the sides.
For gas, I have my Soto Windmaster with the MSR Low Down, seriously worthy looking at for uprights, bloody damned good combo! but yeah, not cheap! Still, if I can, I'd rather use my Bushcraft Ess. XL Ti any day of the week.
I have 4 out of the 5! Do I win a prize?? 😁 I never got the urge to purchase the PR Deluxe. Where's the love for the Soto Amicus? Great review!!
I bought the SOTO OD-1R when they first came out in 2010 and it's still going strong. SOTO makes a great little stove.
I have one in my car's bugout bag use one of their bigger camp stoves. Everything they make is great.
I have the BRS 3000 and a pocket rocket 2. I also have the Neo Ross wind shield that fits them both and gives them good wind protection whether using a pot or a fry pan.
Thanks, Great video again! I really enjoy the top 5 videos. Keep 'em coming.
I upgraded from a SP Gigapower to a windmaster last due to your vids. Great stove, no regrets
I was wondering? You always do your boil tests with the stove ‘full-on’ with the flames ‘licking’ around the bottom of the pot and up the sides. Isn’t this inefficient? Have you tried turning the stove(s) down so the flame remains only on the base on not licking up the sides. I noticed on this video the Pocket Rocket stayed mostly on the base of the pot, with minimum licking up the sides. Be nice to hear your comments on this?
Great overview, thank you so much. I'm so glad you're Back!
I think all these stoves including alcohol stoves get better boil times with a broader based pot. Now if they just soled a reactor heat sink ring like on the bottom of the Jetboils, you wouldn't get so much flame wasted up the side of the pot.
Here's an interesting challenge for you is there a remote canister multi fuel stove that can support a 10" cast iron skillet? That would be super useful for pickup shell camping that I like to do.
I have the Pocket rocket 1.0 and 2.0 ....The PR 1.0 I had for over 10 yrs ....then decided to upgrade.
Do you see it as an upgrade after use? I bought the Soto amicus it seems ok but the pot stand though it works well doesn’t seem like it would take 10 years of use imo, I am considering picking up a pocket rocket 1.0
Good review , thanks for sharing , God bless !
Please do a review of the Soto Fusion Trek stove. Keep up the excellent reviews. I appreciate that you use a scientific method to test the stoves you review and keep your videos relatively short and to the point.
The Soto Amicus is the best for wind and for the price. 90% of the performance of the Windmaster for less weight and cost.
The folding pot stands seem a bit flimsy though not sure how long they will last
i always tell people
these are tools for your stomach ❤️ get the best you can find 🙏
Good video. 👍🏼👍🏼
Another stove that I would recommend is Primus P115. It combines BRS’ compactness and Soto Windmaster’s wind resistance, but it seems it is only sold in Japan. Costs around $45.
Id love to see a review on the soto fusion trek if you get the chance. Thanks! Love the channel
Great review! Thanks!
I have two Pocket Rockets v1 and they’re great, but for using the frying pan the heat is too concentrated. I think I’m going for the Optimus, partly because I have a few and love them all. Thanks Dr.
P.S. notifications don’t always work, I had to go to your channel directly to see what’s going on. I’m going to unsubscribe and re-subscribe with all notifications and see if that helps.
Thanks for the information
How about doing a top 5 lesser known stove types video? Show us some really weird and interesting stuff 😁
Thanks for the stove videos
Anybody seen Ernie ?
You kinda did the Crux a disservice by not showing that the case pulls over bottom and attaches to the top of the propane cannister and nestles the stove underneath it. Noboby wants to put it underneath unsecured and rattling around without the case that integrates with the cannister and potects the stove and your cookware.
Someone mentioned that the flame goes weaker after a few minutes and it isn’t very good at supporting pots I went with the soto amicus kind of wish I got the msr pocket rocket 2 now though
Has anyone ever seen a video of this guy actually going anywhere? LOL
You should try the Coleman F1, my personal favorite.
Instead of the BRS which I find just too cheap I use the Olicamp Ion Micro Titanium. Yes it's much more expensive but has far better flame control and overall feels substantial. Weight 45gm 1.5oz
Do a test between hornet 2 Vs PocketRocket 2 and PocketRocket Deluxe
For better boil times change your pot to a simple one liter heat exchanger
Great video. Have you found the best stove for pan frying? I can’t seem to find any videos on it. Thanks!
I would like a summary with the data. Only fuel usage was visible on most of them on my iPhone.
It’s hard to imagine a boiling scenario that you haven’t tested, so I have an observation/question.
I was told a long time ago that for maximum efficiency, crank the stove all the way up, then back it off just a smidge until the flame lowers a tiny bit.
It might take a couple of seconds longer to boil, but the efficiency will be way better.
It appears that when you do boil tests, you always crank the stove to max. Do you think that the “back it off a bit” method gains any gas savings?
I could test it out myself, but if you’ve already done that it would save me the fuel...
Thanks Ernie!!!
Camping CPAP machine? Also tick repellent or prevention? Thanks
The Crux is the best $20 I have spent on used gear.
Excellent
Have you looked at the Optimus clip on wind screen for safety, efficiency and will it work on different stoves. Positives and negatives
The clipon screen works well. I havent tried it on my other stoves.
Optimus Crux
some BAD reviews on Amazon
neat idea but it sounds like it has issues
think I'll stick with my Trangia Gas Burner
it fits right in where my Trangia Alcohol Burner sits
an it can be used with the Firebox, if I ever get one
What makes the MSR better than the Optimus?
maybe sometime, you need to test that stove at the real field, while hiking or camping 👍
it is a real pity that you cannot graph the results it would be very helpful, see the comparison of the performance between the different stoves
Upright canister stoves seem to be inherently unstable. Is not the remove canister stove vastly superior?
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Are any quieter than the rest?
The windmaster is very quiet. The larger head burners are generally quieter. But the Soto is the quietest
Not a fan , remote every time , more stable for mountain use
Hi im from philipines your follower about optimus crux i want 1 paleo Hikers MD sir pls...
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You mean canister stoves? Pretty sure all stoves need to be upright.
You left out the FireMaple? How is that exactly? It’s lighter, cheaper, covers more of the bottle of pots/pans and has more BTU’s than most of these.