Turbochargers vs Superchargers - Which Is Better?
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What's better, a supercharger or a turbocharger? Well, while they both do a wonderful job of increasing and engine's horsepower, they go about it in quite different ways. The turbocharger relies on exhaust gas pressure to spool up a turbine to deliver more air to the engine. A supercharger on the other hand is driven by an engine belt, which rotates a compressor feeding the engine fresh air.
While ultimately both will result in more power, there are advantages to each, such as throttle characteristics, efficiency, torque curve characteristics, engine reliability, and packaging. In this video we'll discuss the pros and cons of running a supercharger or a turbocharger on your car.
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Nooooooooooooo! What have you done! Not the turbo v supercharger argument! 😮😮
Very good as usual.
Engineering Explained what if we connect the shaft of the turbo to the engine (like a supercharger) and use the exhaust to drive it further? Sort of an amalgamation of a turbo charger and a super charger.. do you think the vacuum created in the exhaust port will be to large for the fins of the turbo to handle or will it help scavenge the exhaust more?
Jason please make video on power steering
@Engineering Explained can you make a video on the Achates Opposed Piston Engine,
Basically,
Bwaaaah Stututututu vs Weeeeeeeeee
I read this in Marty's voice.
Couldn't have said it my self
Imagine if supercharger would make noise like REEEEEEEEEE ou yeahhh
Koen Foo yes but turbos mute the sound thats coming from the exhaust. Superchargers not
Caner
That's in my opinion the biggest downside of turbocharged engines. They simple can't keep up with the sound to supercharged an NA engines. Best example: BMW straight 6 in the M3. How lovely do they sound in the NA configuration (e36/46) and how inferior and without any character in the nowadays turbocharged versions. They sound so bad that BMW actually tunes in fake engine sound through the speaker system :-(
I swear, if this ends with “it depends “
Why do you think is it that both ways see implementation in modern cars? You may think it is because both have pros and cons depending on the situation and you couldn't be more correct.
Generally speaking "Big Capacity engine use a Supercharger, Small Capacity engine use Turbo".
@@MiraSubieGirl It's not about capacity it's whether your priority is NA-like fast throttle response and drivability or efficiency and outright performance. Turbos will always give you more power and efficiency but will also always give you lag.
@@BigUriel Turbos tend to give more efficiency, but power is really arbitrary. Typically the reason superchargers aren't as powerful is because they designed it to form a balance of efficiency. Essentially, you're trading snappiness for efficiency with a turbo.
@@BigUriel Oh sure! I generally mean though 4 bangers respond to Turbos much better than V8s.
You can safely double 4 cylinder horsepower, but its not like turboing a 500hp V8 is going to get you close to 1000hp without major major work.
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Same
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie
Sounds like a match made in heaven! Does she have a deaf sister?!
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I dont understand how can u dislike a video with someone discussing their knowledge on something they have knowledge on. The brain is a terrible thing to waste.
Good point...maybe those people don't like "-charging" at all..*lol*
Cant waste what you dont have...
Please forgive me for rephrasing your last sentence:
The brain is a good thing to have, which unfortunately someone doesn't.
Trolls be hating.
He gestures to the Turbo and calls it a Super and vise versa, confusing, probably just reading a script.
I think this channel can read my mind. He knows everything what i want to know about cars.
Muhammad Isa Ansyari I swear I was just asking my self what's the difference between a turbocharger and supercharger last night before I went to bed last night
lmao
He's one of us
Muhammad Isa Ansyari same
Just try driving silent electric car, with much more power than every gasoline car.
Full power instant right now from the first millisecond.
Without trying, you just don't know how beautiful it is... Much mire fun, than every noisy gasoline car.
He looks 20 and 40 at the same time
So 30.
I see 27
That's what engineer school will do to you
And he's actually nearly 60
Tom Scott energy
Supercharger.... Nah
Turbocharger....nah
Superturbocharger... yee-haw
Twincharger
It's called twincharging, and in my eyes, you get the best of both worlds.
@@datgamerboy123 Wasn't it used in the Lancia Delta S4?
@@Rob-326 yes. But only in a certain year. They ran a KKK K27 turbo and an Abarth Volumex supercharger. They had 32 lbs of boost.
that's called a twin charger
I really like how Mercedes has started this genius idea. It revs the turbo with an electric motor so that it gets that power. Once the exhaust really kicks in, it powers the turbos. It’s genius b/c u get that instant power and also get a lot of it
Yeah honestly hybrids are the future of sports/hyper cars having a second electric engine to power the gaps between gears or power turbos, etc has helped so much and the increase of HP they bring to the table alone.
@@jeremy144713 I had in mind something like a gas engine with a manual or automatic and an electric motor with a CVT with a transfer case to link the two trannies' outputs together to drive the wheels. You could run your car on all-electric mode in slow traffic (like a drive-thru or in a city), then turn the engine back on once you're on the road again. And the electric motor's instant torque means almost zero turbo lag.
Sequencial turbo do the same thing.
@@electric7487 I get you point, so you need to switch manual or it has to be autonomous (self deciding) system ?
@@victorsimukoko9304 You manually switch the engine on or off.
Never knew Beto O'Rourke was so informative about engines
But sounds like Napoleon Dynamite.
Lol 😂
Hell yes, we’re gonna take your naturally aspirated engines
Hell yes he's going to take away your Turbo and Superchargers
😂
Biggest advantage a Turbocharger: "Ssssswududududududu"
Psssssss
The sound of fluttering is a problem
Jet noise / plane noise
sound of turbo spooling >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wastegate/bov
I think the major problem with turbos is the heating. They cause a lot of reliability issues if they’re not factory or a noob build.
There’s no sound more satisfying than hearing a turbo spool
I am lucky enough to work on freight train engines, 3100hp. On test these units take 2 mins to make peak power. After 10 seconds or so the turbo starts to wind up to 32 psi like a jet engine taking off. As you say, the sound is something that runs though you and makes you smile. The turbo itself weighs just under a tonne, the engine weighs 32 tonnes, and the locomotive weighs 130 tonnes. ( I love these on test)
@@robpotter1355 Jesus. A 2000 lb turbo. I've had entire cars that weigh that. That's awesome. What's the displacement on one of those engines?
@@rhull3939 not sure about displacement but it’s a Mirrlees MB275t if you want to google it yourself? Fitted to a British Rail class 60 locomotive.
@@robpotter1355 145 liter engine with 3100 horsepower and 106,500 foot pounds of torque. Crazy.
@@rhull3939 ya but what's the 0-60 lol , damm tho
Supercharged/ naturally aspirated cars are much better for off-roading, which is something you didn’t cover. It relates to the throttle response/ rpm vs power. When you’re crawling along, or ripping through some mud, it’s helpful to get that power instantly. Also, if you’re in a tight situation, the sudden powerban from a turbo could put an unwanted amount of power to the wheels.
Great video though, very informative
Im trying to figure out whether I want to put a super VS turbo in my 07 accord v6. This is very informative 🙏
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Never drove a super charged car before but this makes me really want to try. My car is turbo and pro tuned and the response seems pretty damn spot on. I have a lot of torque which is what I want for the rodes I drive but if a super charger is even more responsive I would love to see what that feels like.
Supercharged cars are so much nicer IMO because they just feel like a naturally aspirated car. So you have more control over the throttle and also you don’t get that nasty uncomfortable jolt like in some turbo cars when the turbo kicks in.
@johncarry5989 The lag on a bigger turbo car can be very fun, makes the car feel faster when all the power comes in one kick.
I'm putting a 4.6 supercharged stroker in my 97 jeep wrangler. The reason I think it's best is exactly what you mentioned in that you know what you're getting from the throttle. Hard wheeling then all the sudden getting a huge boost of power with a turbo could get you into trouble. Great video 👍👍👍
Superb video. I just recently purchased a turbocharged engine vehicle and ALWAYS wondered of the difference. You explain things concisely and your visuals are on point. Thanks for your channel.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
I did too except I didn’t know it at first
George Rivera ii
Do you know if you can turbocharge an automatic?
@@Swervy You absolutely can. The transmission has no effect on if you can Turbo your engine.
That was probably one of the best and most cohesive explanations of the differences between the two I have ever heard. Thank you. And I wish I had your job
Don't understand how anybody could thumbs-down you.
You're articulate and knowledgeable. Thank you for the education.
As a soon to be engineer i really appreciate your videos i have spent so many hours on this channel over the last couple of years to learn. Thank you for the good content!
Why not both?
Nissan Super Turbo.
Search MCM super turbos and temples 2
Volvo has employed both in it's suv
Some Detroit diesel engines use both.
Devin Christy both? at the same time will get into each others way. Very difficult to run both at the same time and be efficient.
@@harryking4007 not when each of them run best at different ends of the rpm range, supercharger runs best at lower end while turbocharger runs best at upper end
I have had turbocharged and supercharged cars and I personally would still pick the Turbo mainly because of the noise and the rush as it comes on at higher rpm.
That's what I like about DIRT BIKES!!! It's the throttle response and engine control. There is no greater "feeling" than the throttle control on a powerful engine!!! Especially when you're sitting on it!!!
Your opinion is wrong Superchargers make that nice whine sound like a jet.
Blower whine > turbo whistle.
I'm sorry, these are just facts.
"Facts" It's purely preference.
Nicks 92 videos wow his opinion is wrong? Yours is arrogant and that's way worse
Granted i loved the supercharger whine on (what used to be the) V8 supercars, esp. the Holdens (GMs for u in the states, they ran chevy motors anyway) and waste gate shutterring on a turbo annoys me (not as much as a wrx that sounds like a lawnmower), but opinions aren't "wrong" or "right" because you agree or disagree theyre expressed personal feelings on a matter
Just say you disagree and say what you like about superchargers, like the dude making jet noises. Simple
For such a complicated subject, you actually made that pretty simple and easy to understand. Thanks dude, great video!
Love your ch. Bro you're very knowledgeable and can explain things in layman's term.
Jason, great video man. Been a loyal subscriber for years because of your delivery and research which seems to bring credibility to the information you provide on your channel. Thank you for sharing your awesomeness.
Very kind, thanks for watching and sticking around for so long!! Happy to hear it. :)
Jason nailed it! Its the quality of inputs that makes a car great.
I really like your throttle pedal analogy and how they differ for supercharger and turbos makes a lot of sense
always great explanation from Jason😊
I wish all my teachers were like him.
Another well thought out video mate.
Much love from Australia.
I love your videos, you explain the content so clearly and concisely. Keep it coming!
That final point about throttle communication is a very important one. I recently went for a lengthy night drive in my car - a Volvo S40 - which is a turbocharged, automatic-transmission vehicle. It has some serious power for a compact daily, but between its still-pretty-slushy and aged torque converter (which would at times allow the engine to wander in the 1300-1800 RPM range without changing gear *or* actually affecting the road speed) and the turbo (which starts spooling around 2000 rpm, but will lose the boost very quickly once I stop flooring it and therefore basically has 2 different torque curves depending on now depressed the throttle is) a lot of my fun or my feeling of control was sapped.
I am pretty much certain that at least one of those aspects, most likely the automatic, will not be present in the next car I purchase. What I'm about to say is not directly related to the video, but I urge anybody here who can't operate a manual to learn to do so. It's much less arduous than some people make it out to be, and provides fun, control and - on older models at least - a vastly superior fuel economy potential.
great video, I like the idea of a very long stroke with a turbo charger. The biggest down side of the turbo is the intercooler.. I have 3 radiators on the front of myvehicle, one for the turbo, one for the engine coolant and one for the AC.
great stuff jason... always watch your videos when the come out and havent seen a bad one
Really appreciate it, thanks for watching!
I couldn’t choose, so I just put both in my mom’s minivan
Such a thoughtful gift!
Oh ma gawd hahaha I’d love you if u were my kid
You should get that minivan to 600hp +, then the mom mobile is perfect
I'm currently building a super minivan myself and I've given it some thought so I'm supercharging it
Unbiased and very informative information - as usual! Go well that man!!
As usual, another great video. Thanks Jason!!!!
I prefer turbo but purely for the sound and having a snail in your engine bay 😂😂😂
Exhaust-ed Supercharged V8 sound much better than turbo V8s
Exhaust-ed But the centrifugal supercharger is also a snail.
Bob all depends on your taste I guess mate👌🏻
Lunoir NSX Very true, just my personal preferable but I can see how a supercharger could also be prefered👍🏻
Muhluri Nkuna I sure have, it’s just a preference 😂
My favorite car parts thank you for explaining 😁
This is the best explanation video I've seen on UA-cam. Thank you so much!
Thank you 🙏 as always I love to hear things I always wondered about . 👏 👍
Thanx for giving such important knowledge
I was on a computer and I couldn't like since I wasn't logged in. So I logged in just too like. This is how I feel too!
I appreciate the like, thanks for watching!
Best technical comparison I’ve ever seen in my life! Thanks bro
Excellent video, I now possess a clear understanding of the difference between super chargers and turbo chargers, thank you !
Rob where is the 4 ro...
Oh shoot, wrong channel.
Haha, though it is his turbo!
The 4 rotor's been hiding over here. We have to tell EVERYONE
Thanks. Exactly what I needed to know.
This video was extremely helpful I was trying to decide between turbo charger or porcharger on my 2000 firehawk this helped me decide
i appreciate the drama of the turbo, so much fun and worth the split second wait
Haha I noticed to put a mirror on your shelves to avoid crashing your honda again! Good idea.
Nathan Cruz I did, too! 😂
lol 😂 who crashes they car in they own garage
use a balloon or tennis ball
Pool noodle epoxied to any surface it can touch.
Centrifugal superchargers are great for large engine cars where you already have decent low end grunt and getting a ton of top end power is very useful.
I liked how you put this in layman's term so that anyone can understand the pros/cons of super charger vs turbo chargers, excellent presentation.
That is the clearest explanation I've ever heard between the two. Kudos!
I super appreciate your professional expertise and how you deliver it, thank you for the wisdom that I can understand.
How is nobody talking about the fact that he's got an animation of a 26b TURBO
That friggin thing would make a million horsepower. Yes please!
Perfectly concise and well explained, thank you
Thank you fruit your honest opinion.
Turbo doesn't make free energy
The exhaust gases have to escape as easy as possible, that's why bigger exhaust pipe=more efficient.
The turbo is creating a resistance and thus using fuel energy in an indirect manner.
Please correct this...
SERAJ EMAD yes but turbos aid in compression
@@karlreisa3872 ofcource it does, supercharger too, what I mean it is a resistance if it is on the exhaust (turbo) or by a belt (supercharger). however, you need to remember that turbo works in high temperature and has a high rpm plus it needs an intercooler = additional weight. More over if the turbo go bad it is very likely that it will inject oil (turbo is oil cooled) into the engine instead of air which will destroy it in a matter of second...
@@ThatWasPrettyFunny through the video he said: turbo make use of exhaust gases instead of being wasted...
Long story short. it is a resistance if it is on the exhaust (turbo) or by a belt (supercharger). however, you need to remember that turbo works in high temperature and has a high rpm = easy to break, plus it needs an intercooler = additional weight. More over if the turbo go bad it is very likely that it will inject oil (turbo is oil cooled) into the engine instead of air which will destroy it in a matter of second...
Supper charger is better in every way, and more expensive, also harder to install. but some times you cannot have it duo to the lack of space...
@@SerajEmad You here whinning on the internet saying super charger is better while people out there who play with cars and engines everyday likes and use turbo charger because it handles better and is more cooler
This the first engineering explained video that I understood.
finally, this video answers all my big questions on turbo and super chargers. thank you very much for the education. super charger it is for me then.
Thankyou for this great explaination
I wish you would've gone over ease of installation, ease of tuning, compatibility, reliability, and durability, including how each type of compressor affects durability and reliability of the rest of the vehicle.
saving it for another video im sure
...Do you want a 9 minute video, or a 4 hour long video?
Superchargers win those hands down too. At least the types that don't pretend to be a turbo.
Goldmarble He's a lefty so he doesn't know what he wants.
babybirdhome eh it depends. I prefer supercharging generally speaking, but the fab work if there are no kits for your vehicle is usually simpler for turbos imo. Tunability I think is simpler with sc's though, there's a more definitive relationship between rpm and airflow
Perfect explanation. What are your thoughts on electric superchargers?
Thank you very much for this video
i liked your explanations, is very clear
I really, really enjoy your videos!!!!!!
Thank you!!
Thank you. You’ve helped with my decision. Supercharger for my mustang!
Heck yes!
Andy Torres do it for Dale
youll be able to smash so many more crowds!
i dont like mustangs because theyre bad at cornering
Benjamin Buljevic thank you for providing your ignorance
Thank you for your help I appreciate it
Well done Jason... Nicely explained.
I personally love *BOTH* of ‘em.
I love my supercharger
That whine😍
Thanks alot for all the infos and videos
Thanks for posting.
Great video! What is the life span and does installation harm the engine at all? Over a period of time?
First car was a supercharged Grand Prix. Loved that 3800 engine so much.
Just bought an 05 GTP. Deceptively fast. And the response is excellent.
Those cars are amazing
Man You explained complicated charged so simply,,, you are a good teacher ,, Thank you
Totally agree, the heat from the exhaust causes many problems , something it damaged the cylinder head completely
I learned something. Thank you.
Love it when he uploads, great likable character.
I know you covered a little about this subject. But Could you dive more into more twin charging setups. current applications, different components needed and where to find them. Also the drawbacks as well. Thank you
Great thank you I always wondered the difference between them :)
Interested to see what the turbo vs super debate becomes with AMG's new e-Turbo. Basically they use an electric motor to lower the boost threshold to _almost_ eliminate turbo lag entirely. Still a teeny bit there since it takes time to get the crank shaft moving.
Superchargers are for those of us that like instant gratification. 😅
Serious note: this video has been very informative. I respect and enjoy listening to both devices. Thank you! 👏🤘
Thanks for the video!
Brilliantly explained I think 👍
I had a 2014 Audi A7 and that super charger was actually very responsive. I now have a 2017 G90 and the twin turbo on the V6 are pretty good also there is a bit of turbo lag but it’s not noticeable to the untrained or informed person. I do miss that throw you back in the seat feeling with the A7.
This guy is really dedicated. I love it .God bless you dude
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GREAT INFORMATION,
KEEP IT UP
totall agree. thanx 4 the video brother!
I've driven a setup with a twin turbo and a supercharger. Probably the best being put into my seat felling I've ever had.
I've owned turbocharged engines and hated them because even the best design still has some turbo lag. The supercharged engines that I've owned were always a joy to drive with, because of the instant thrust and continued wider instant power band to performance ratio. I have to agree with your points on both engine variations, however and I enjoyed the video and honest evaluations.
Thank you. I didn't know how a turbocharger works until you explained it quite well. You seem to anticipate my questions without having stated them. Say for example you explained how the PCV valve works. My dealership called me in to replace the PCV valve which wasn't malfunctioning. After the replacement. I experienced a significant performance improvement.
Also, you talked about lag with turbochargers as opposed to no lag with superchargers. Occasionally, I experience delay or lag when I put my foot down. I'm wondering if that has to do with it being an automatic transmission. As soon as the engine spools up in the right gear, then it tears out. It shifts fast and smooth but the delay occurs after deceleration on a turn. No more automatic transmissions for me!
Nice video! Supercharger sounds like the way to go! The sound alone will make a man of you.
Have the beat of both worlds- compound boosting!
Really good video, especially about how turbos are harder on oil. I've never heard that before -- makes sense, though.
Yep. Turbos are very precision devices whose rotors can spin at up to 5000 revolutions _per second._ The internals have very tight tolerances and only work properly if they are fully warmed up and are getting clean oil delivered to them at all times.
And yet my parents keep telling me that I don't need to warm my car up.
@@electric7487 shouldn't that technical sensitivity be compensated by higher oil quality?
No modern engines are officially recommended an explicit warm up period, rather the contrary.
@@OmmerSyssel Not warming up your engine doesn't mean everything is just gonna blow up, it just shortens its lifetime.
@@OmmerSyssel I have a rather modern turbocharged engine in my Volvo S40. It doesn't need a true, hard warmup, but it A) has a cold-start feature which helps with the initial stages of a warmup with a quicker idle and B) the manual states that you should refrain from revving the engine (and thus running the turbo hard) for the first several minutes of operation.
All this points to the fact that even modern engines - especially turbocharged ones - are meant to only operate at peak power one they reach operational temperature, even if they're technically capable of doing so from startup.
Always better for longevity to let ANY engine warm up…also highly recommended to let them run at idle for a cool down period before shutting off, especially turbo(s)👌🏼
Great video, thanks! I see you and i share good similar taste in csrs, love your s2k (unavailable in Mexico) that's why i got an si. And now i want a Mx5 and see you got it! Cheers
Great knowledge thanks
Nicely done. I've owned both turbocharged and supercharged and totally agree that supercharged is better.
In my opinion, this was a very objective, well-organized, and in my opinion, correct analysis of the characteristics of the various types of superchargers in common use today. Nice work! Norm Drazy, PSI superchargers
Roots style sc is my favorite boost maker . I love that whine and instant boost
I agree 100 percent. nothing beats the whine sound
Best explanation 👌