Is KSP2 Finally Good? "FOR SCIENCE" Update Review!
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- It's here! Kerbal Space Program 2 version 0.2.0, called "For Science!" finally introduces science gameplay. But is it any good? Check out my video to find out!
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0:00 200 tons to Minmus!
0:59 What to expect
1:40 Wobbly Rockets
3:06 The Science of "FOR SCIENCE!"
5:53 New dV and TWR readouts
7:13 Missions and Discovery
9:46 Re-Entry Heat
13:34 FOR BUGS!
16:17 Performance
18:12 Boats & Cheats
19:24 The Verdict
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As promised at 4:20, here's the deep dive video into how science works in KSP2: ua-cam.com/video/rtWqQ88wvH4/v-deo.html
Noodle rockets are out? and Science is here? I'm aaaalll ears!
Yep, that's the gist of it.
Yep didn't get to play yesterday when it released looking forward to playing when I get home from work today
The ferengi is here?
This is great news. Im sure the devs are excited to see this kind of commentary being released. Thanks for putting the video together
You're welcome! Glad you enjoyed watching it.
After getting 85 science from my first launch and getting to orbit in my second I have to say. I like the For Science update. It is quite good.
just tried it out, at first i thought i was getting science to fast but then i scrolled down the progression tree and dam thats alot of science to get lol
To have so many in their early game testing playing phase hopefully will help them into getting it fixed faster then if they did all in house as back in the day.
I bought it on day 1 of early access but am still waiting to play it. The progress I see is really great and it is starting to look fun, as you mentioned. However, I probably will still wait till the colony update drops before I will play it myself.
why not just try it. Youve already got it in your library. Play a few hours, if its not fun fair enough but why would you make that decision without actually trying it.
I'd give For Science! a shot. I also agree that colony management is the main reason I bought the game, but science progression is a bit better thought out than KSP 1 and I think it's worth a try before colonies comes out.
its a good thing at least we know the game is still being developed that was one of my fears with KSP2 rough launch @@Hectorlph
I am having a lot of fun with it right now. This update is just what I needed.
@@Hectorlph Agreed. The game will get more complicated with colonies, so its better to get the gist of the updates now
Also, 20% discount until January 4th... I'm thinking of taking advantage of that sale haha.
Oh if it's on sale then I 100% recommend getting the game in its current state. This update plus a $30-$40 price tag is what the early access should have been from the start. Or you can wait, there's no rush to get it now, it's up to you after all.
Played it yesterday for 5 hours and made it to the mun arch. I actually enjoyed that. It`s like it has a real storyline sort of. If they continue in this way I can see it becoming a real KSP2
Thanks for this great overview. I played KSP2 for a couple of weeks when it first got out. It seems that it has now made a significant progress and I'll try again. Good to see they are progressing.
Rocket tech here; definitely a bug with the heating. I think ksp developers do have heat transfer between parts in a stack but it shouldn't be that much, that's what the heat shield is for anyway... It does take a long while for things to cool down in space in real life so there's that....
Thanks for the insights!
i havent had a single problem with that
@@mansnilssonmoraeus1447 I have, especially with the RA-2 antenna for some reason.
I totally agree with your verdict. Finally playable! And fun too! But it took 10 Months, lets see if i will be already all grey when this game finishes. After all its nice step into the right direction. Cant wait to find some of those easter eggs!
Yeah hoping by the time it's ready my pre-k kids today don't really care to spend time with me (maybe grade 7?) and I'll be able to try ksp2
Nice video.
i love how you are critical of things that need work, but you expect things to go better and list the amazing strides the devs have made.
Do you think that such progress will help KSP2 win our hearts back?
I certainly hope so. There's a lot of love poured into this update.
at launch, I managed to launch KSP 2, On 1060 6gb On Kerbin I had about 15-20 fps, so this result was kept at both low and high settings, in space it was about 30-40fps, but if I started looking at the planet, the Fps immediately dropped to 15-20.
With the improved performance of For Science, I think it will start to be playable.
I love the fact that now they give you Delta-V values for planned destinations in the VAB for both one-way and round-trip missions!
The round trip values are wrong atm but otherwise its great.
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Thanks for subscribing and welcome aboard! I hope you will also enjoy the rest of my content as well as upcoming video. And a wonderful Holiday Season to you, as well!
Stack separater and orbit lines vanishing have been my "bug" bears so fay, but overall it's soooo much less frustrating. As usualy first Mun mission has become a rescue mission. Tim got stuck and Jeb says it's his fault for stealing his seat. Though going to rescue him with Val is definitely not going to hurt his ego.
There were energy conservation bugs with the heating system in KSP1 when it was introduced, and floating point error causes issues with energy conservation in the heating system when plying with Kopernicus still. I would assume the heating issues are some kind of problem like that once again.
Edit: these issues lead to overheating before
What I really like about the reentry visuals is the trails behind each parts as the vehicle breaks up.
I am very thankful that you guys, particular you and Matt Lowne because you are the ones I follow, are spending so much time on this and providing the devs with hugh quality feedback and playtime.
I played KSP1 and bought KSP2. I don't think I will play significantly until resource management is back. Playing KSP1 simply takes too much time finding the correct mods and KSP2 isn't in an insentivising state. I don't want to play without my mechjeb. And I hope to sometime play with my children full mission IVA multiplayer. I believe Nate is the one to get us there. He is the guy to get us there. But I can't do more for the process except the KSP2 copy I bought at launch. For the rest I depend on you.
I plan to pick it up again this weekend. I did a wierd experiment to see if I could build a jetpack a couple months ago (answer was no), but other than that I haven't played since launch.
I am so glad I watched this, for the life of me I couldnt figure out how to change the dv readouts for planet/vacuum etc
"Stargazer Point" *has* to be a reference to Devil's Tower, the mountain from the movie Close Encounters Of The Thrid Kind (1977). That is so cool.😁
I love this update, it takes the science system from KSP 1 and just improves it. It also vastly improves the performance of the game, making it actually good on my computer (RTX 2060 TI). My only gripe is the current state of re-entry heating, it is too buggy and needs more optimizations. A quick patch in a couple weeks or so should fix it.
I am into story, and while I appreciate that there is story behind, I love introduction of lore, I really hate mission debriefings... They are awful.
I played the ipdate for a few hours yesterday before watching this video, and can confirm i am having WAY more fun in KSP2 now! My simple rockets don't wobble, the main and side missions are fun and give some sort of purpose for building, and the tech tree is a welcome change. The only "bug" i encountered was a rocket in orbit not firing its engine until i paused and unpaused the game. Other than that, i can see my personal time now being split more evenly between ksp 1 and 2.
I'm not crazy about how buggy the heating effect look but that's something that is likely to get fixed as more updates become available. other wise though I'm more than happy with the update as you've shown it. that being said I'm not gonna try it on my computer yet. It hardly plays the game for a few minutes before crashing prior to the update arriving. I'm not certain how it'll handle it with the new effects it would have to handle on top of it.
it's a lot more performant now, I haven't experienced any fps drops at all when playing for hours yesterday. Also, I think you can make the heating effects better by changing the quality settings, haven't tried it yet, just collecting science :)
Thank you for the video. I had not played this since March. The performance and lack of goals kept me away. I've put in a couple of hours since the update and the performance is way better, the missions for science will be a great way to push me further into the Kerbol system.
Hey, nice video as always! I'd like to give you a feedback on the sound, at least in my end, sounds like the high pitched sounds of your voice (like S and SH) are too louder than the other frequencies. To really understand what you're saying, and get the mid frequencies, I have to turn the sound up, but then I am overwhelmed by the loud SHH sounds.
Thank you, that's good feedback! I need to check my De-Esser and EQ, maybe I can improve things that way.
I played within the first two days it was out and had moderate issues getting into orbit. I have played KSP for many years but I don’t get to play very often. I’ve played maybe three times since February but jumped back on right after for science came out. No issues getting into orbit with a relatively small rocket right off the bat. Worlds of differences between the initial release and 0.2. Can’t wait to play more.
Your review is spot on. I have quite a few hours in the original game and I was one of the players that bought the game in February. The game was on my wishlist for about 1 and a half years so you can imagine the disappointment I felt when I couldn't do even a simple mun mission. I won't go on a rant here but the game was not playable (disappearing crafts/orbits and more gamebreaking stuff, not to mention the terrible performance).
Decided to give the game another go after for science and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised. The game obviously still has many bugs, but I haven't ran into any gamebreaking ones or ones that couldn't be fixed by loading an older save.
Best part: I had fun! Exploration mode is such a great improvement. It feels like a real game now. There's actually stuff to do besides watching your wobbly rocket go upside down at 20 fps.
To me this version is the rough diamond KSP 2 should've been at launch. I'm excited for the colonies update. We'll watch your future with great interest KSP2!
The heat issue was the same problem that the old Deadly Re-Entry (DRE) mod back in KSP1.
Autostrut with only the heaviest part setting always seemed to lead to shaking for me in KSP1. I would always combine all three methods across a few different parts (very situationally) which is why I’m sad it’s a global, automatic system- but switching to grandparent part should make the rockets a lot more stable just from my brief testing today and thousands of hours in KSP1.
Good to know I didn't get to play yet in the new update but when I get home from work today my PC is gonna get a nice workout
I actually pretty like new system. I was overusing autostruts in ksp1, here there is balance with autostruts and phisical struts. Not perfect tho, but I like idea
@@just_archan yeah, I much prefer not having to set it up everytime, but I wish we had control since it's just the same system. You can do it much more effeciently if you pick and choose the strut method between a few select parts.
Finally gives a sense of playability and progression, I really like it. On top of it making the game much more bearable performance wise, I may be above the required/recommended specs but the game now never drops below a constant 60fps either so the game is already much more enjoyable, I haven't even had a game crash yet!
It’s installing as I watch this.
I'm looking forward to what is still to come. Colonies are what the devs have been consistently saying is the major update that they find the most fun, but for me I want to see how they will simulate interstellar. Many games have storylines that involve interstellar travel and they have storytelling tricks to get you there. But I have yet to see anyone try to simulate the whole process of leaving your star to travel to another: something truly UNIQUE in gaming.
Yes, I too was one that quit KSP2 not soon after the original early release. I wasn't going to come back till this update, and now am I impressed. I have notices minimal bugs, really enjoy the new monuments/mission format, and overall it is a great time!
Very good work done with this update. Starting to feel like it may very well be the successor to ksp1 everyone was hoping for. My only real gripe is the ui colour scheme. All those deep greens, pinks and blue, including the rocket paint makes it all a little bit jarring. But no one else has mentioned it, so maybe that's just me being all nit picky..
I'm also excited to get back into the game now, it feels great now!
I totally agree with your verdic, after month I now start AGAIN playing it and it feels good
The orbital decay bug was the final straw for me when I played it day one. Hearing that it was fixed but partially came back is heartbreaking.
No words can explain how happy I am that this released on my birthday!
So far, the only "bug" I've encountered that isn't in the list of known bugs is a couple flaws in the verbal recording of the first few training courses. The reader misses a period which changes the meaning at one point and at another the information at the end of a sentence just isn't quite right. Again it appears the meaning but this one is more subtle. Other than that, I got sucked in and my wife had to extract me so that our pets wouldn't die of starvation. I am LOVING this update!
2:55 What does the wobbly rocket remind me of? 🤣
I have played the for science update now, and my Playtime of KSP 2 jumped from less than 20 to 140 hours, and I am currently playing it! the new Mode is absolutely great, the performance is waaay better and the wobbly rockets have indeed been fixed. I am super relieved that the KSP 2 we all wanted now seems on the way.
Great to see big improvements. Nonetheless, for those of us who haven't yet bought it, this summary makes me confident that the best move is to let them fix a lot more of the bugs before bothering...
I'm waiting at least until it offers something that significantly sets it apart from KSP1, like a proper integrated colonies system and interstellar. Regardless this update returned a little bit of hope to me that the devs will keep working to improve the game
The heat might be dissipating into all the craft one part at a time and stopping at the couplers and accumulating there.
cant wait
Yes i agree! I played it yesterday for the first time in months. I haven't tried my 8 engined SSTO yet. But it felt a lot smoother and my first impressions of the exploration mode were great. Loading times were shorter. It still looks beautyful. I feel some things are needlessly complex but i can't say i have encountered a tremendous amount of bugs. Just a couple of small ones.
It seems a lot better then three quarters of a year ago. If they would've released this back then, it still wouldn't have been a complete game, I wouldn't have been nearly as dissapointed.
Now it is ...playable.... And fun!
I just watched the latest Marcus House's video - I am big space industry fan. I followed his link to you here. I have never played KSP. This seemned a lot over my head as it's aimed for experienced players. This games seems fun, but a bit complicated. Have you considered making a KSP video for beginners, some kind of tutorial please?
I haven't played since release in Feb, this makes me want to give it another try.
Might get it now. On sale on steam for 39.99$
I am so glad about the joint update. I always loved building giant space stations. But they would just wobble themselves into pieces.
The new ship flexibility looks perfect to me
I think the heatshields cast a cone of protection behind them. The point of that cone is probebly the cause of that bug as infinite points and games dont generaly get along.
i took a break after launch, and jumping into this release, it's like a different game. really enjoying it, and the few bugs for me are just funny little graphical glitches. I get about double the framerate which is really nice as well on a 3070
Finally. This gives me actual hope.
thank you for your hard work. Still not ready to purchase KSP 2 yet. Going to wait for a little less bugs. :)
I tried getting into KSP2 a few times since Spring 2023, but 0.2 is the first time I enjoyed it and kept playing past when I wanted to go to bed.
Suddenly KSP 2 is awesome!
Unfortunately I have encountered so many bugs, its insane. Many times where i have upgraded a tech tree node and it didn't register but i lost points anyway. Reverting flight causes VAB to mess up and it can't show any stats like delta-v, fuel etc. Launching after reverting causes insane perfomance issues so probably some memory problems there too. The parachutes are messed up. The delta-v readout is messed up when using srb. I get one value in VAB but when i go to launch the d-v changes. The tech tree screen is somehow locked at 19 fps for me. I could go on and on but I really hope they can improve performance and fix obvious bugs because it gets annoying really fast and is the number one thing that keeps the player from playing.
" I get one value in VAB but when i go to launch the d-v changes. "
1000 science says the VAB value is calculated for vacuum, while on the launch pad you (of course) have atmosphere.
@@Atlessa no I made sure to check the values are for atmosphere in the little gear that they have for parts. The VAB and the values at launch still differ.
The improvements have been amazing so far in my experience!
Can't wait for colonies in December 2024!
i can't wait for carreer mode: having to manage budgeting while achieving goals, and making the right choices to not lose reputation.. i do hope they update the carreer mode to be more in-depth and more realistic for ksp2
maybe a choice between carreer modes too? what if you wanted to start as a government-funded administration? or a private company?
Career isn't coming. Exploration mode is the replacement and will in the future involve managing Resources gathered from across the system.
I think the 'meter' going up is not heat but damage. That is why the parts don't 'cool' back down, because it's not heat, you are seeing, but damage. The fact that the occlusion does not work for decouplers seems weird though.
Nope its heat, just bugged
what are the coordinates of kapy rock?
I've now played it for a few hours. I've not gone beyond LKO yet but the game is much better now. No more game-breaking bugs, like unstable orbits. I was also able to play at max graphism very smoothly. No crash so far. Not everything is yet there and I miss the precision of manoeuver plans that was provided by the MechJeb mod, but the game is fun to play and the graphisms are much better than KSP1. One also can feel that everything is thought for making colonies and interstellar travels possible. The game is definitely going in the right direction.
im personally still going to wait for colonies but this has restored some faith i have in the game. the moment either colonies or Orion drives drop im probably buying.
Another annoying bug is that parts hidden in fairings randomly explodes during launch at 60 km altitude.
will you also try this update in a low end pc to?
Is there any information on when it will be available on consoles?
Nothing official so far. What we know is that they want to get to to consoles after version 1.0 is released for PC.
@@ShadowZone Thank you for the reply. Didn’t figure on getting one. I appreciate it.
I didn't know I wanted to hear him say "u-dunk-it"
glad to see they finally put ksp 1 into ksp 2
as we said befor no rush. if it takes 5 years it ok for me. i will buy the game when its ready enough for me. will wait for a good game. they are doing good work as i see.
I'm already playing the science regularly in KSP2, have a few bugs here and there but overall everything works fine.
-- I've one particular bug when all the crafts/kerbals are pixelated when taking control of them from tracking station and they are looks static *They look pixelated same as from the movie PacMan or something like that*, solved the bug just with simple reloading the save
All in all, the game is much more playable, first I haven't been able to play at all at average of 10fps, right now with the update my game is in turbo mode literally, with average FPS of 100+. When I limit the FPS to 60, it runs even better.
I have Intel I7 12700 CPU, 32GB DDR5 Ram and Radeon RX 590 GPU 256bit 8GB GDDR5
My mun rocket dosent have enough delta v and i cant unlock any more parts because i dont have enough science. Guess i have to strand jeb, val, and bob on the mun.😟
I did not play until the for science update so i can't judge how bad it was but so far i've really had fun with it and it works very well on my laptop which doesn't meet the minimum specs of 6gb vam card, i have 4gb nvidia 3050 with a 6800 hs cpu.
The only reason to want to switch to KSP2 is better planet rendering (assuming Parallax 2 isn't sufficient for me). However, in KSP2, the planets are not rendered better, so I'm sticking with the KSP1.
All I want is to play a KSP in VR
I finally feel like my money hasn't been wasted. If they can keep this quality up it'll truly be the sequel KSP deserves.
Are there still bugs which can't be fixed by reloading the game?
I never got to the point where wobbly rockets vexed me. Too many other glitches, bugs and oversights chased me away. Temporarily. I hope this is stable enough for play.
Yeah, that reintroducing of already fixed bugs is a bad sign in my opinion. Besides the point that you have to invest a good amount of time to re merge the bugfix into the main (i think that is what happened here. They merged feature branches into the main that did not yet had the fix for the bug and therefore introduced it back into the game), it also shows the lack of behaviors that are essential to maintain long term software developing. Like branch management, the daily burden of merging necessary things into your feature branch, which will cost nerves and time, but actually will save you nerves and time in the long run.
Devs seriously cooked with this update, it's not just the science, but the wobbly joints, the new UI, reentry and performance too! . Nice
I still feel like 40 bucks/euros (after the discount they made for this Christmas) is too much for an early access game. If this is the price now what will it be when the game will have completed all its course and the multiplayer update comes in? Or do they plan on making people buy early access (and accepting the risk of them messing up and actively contributing to bug fixing) pay the same as people who will buy the final version of the game with no risk of seeing the game development take a bad curve? There are companies that pay people to play test and report the bugs and show how to recreate them, if you buy this game in early access and spend your own time doing that work for Intercept Games I am 100% convinced you should never have to pay the full price.
That's literally the price of the original KSP (without any discount applied to it) which judging by all the content I've seen from all you content creator guys, is still equal or better than the sequel in literally anything at this point in time (if you allow for mods that is).
I feel like they have messed up the price point. But it might just be me, i don't know.
At this point in time I still am not convinced of buying the game sadly. I will wait for the next big update and see if maybe then their early access will be worth a AAA game price (without discounts). Maybe they massively improve on bug fixes and people like you who get to experience it won't claim "you will encounter bugs and some of them will be annoying, but you will be able to work around by reloading saves or restarting the game". Cause that kind of gameplay (avoid to do certain stuff or doing certain stuff for the sole purpose of avoiding a bug) to me is not worth the pricetag they attached to it.
Good to know ksp2 is looking better.
You forgot the exclamation point in the updates name
Is the entire mod ecosystem now there? If not, I don't even wanna know about KSP2. I already have the Earth and solar system completely simulated and rendered with OK shaders. Don't wanna get back to a simplistic system, with minuscule planets and no atmospheric simulation. Oh, they put that one mod from the one in the second game, huh, wonderful.
Seems like this should have been their EA start point. So weird that they released essentially an alpha build as EA
Heat transfer bugs are not at all surprising, especially when they’ve just enabled the heating system on release builds.
It's good enough and going in the right direction enough to buy on sale, but not good enough to sink hours of gameplay into
How many parts does the rocket have that ran at 3FPS?
Now to wait 3-4 months for a tiny bug patch!
I had way more fun in the last two days playing 0.2.0 than I have had playing in the last 50 hours of KSP 2 before that!
i was getting NO thermal overheating warnings whatsoever during my playthrough so far
It is very nice too see KSP2 is still going very strong. I am waiting [im]patiently for career mode
exploration mode is like a hybrid of the two, if it gets added it will probably be a difficulty setting or something
This is how they should released it to EA!
But of course there are still many bugs to squish.
Unfortunately this update change something about how vehicles/workspaces are saved so it no longer works for Linux/proton. Can't save workspaces which also prevents launching. I know Linux is not supported but it was nice that the previous version worked in linux anyway if you bypassed the launcher.
cant believe there still is no fucking colony mechanic after all this goddamn time
October 5 2024
Damn, there is a lot ruding on this, i hope it goes smoothly
Wow so they solved wobbly rockets simply by removing the joints. That must have taken them all years to figure out...
i feel like woblines isnt fixed, like they just worked it araund