The archeological "experts" don't come across well in this story. Poor Oliver did all the work and actually cared about that person's remains. You're a gem, Oliver!❤
Were archaeologists actually involved in this? Kudos to that beachcomber for preserving that coffin. Sounds to me like the so-called professionals dropped the ball.🤔
Why should they be? Someone died about 100 years ago and their coffin & remains were found. It’s not of historical significance. Had the bones been found on the beach without a coffin then it would/should be investigated.
@@KitKatToeBeans Why should archeologists be involved? Kind of their job title when it comes to historical remains. Including the seemingly inconsequential ones. Aside that and just on the general topic, archeologists and their crew tend to get very little funding and support themselves. Might be a case of that where people couldn't be sent over.
I heard about 20 - 30 years ago that the ocean's rise was causing old cemeteries to be flooded out to sea in the Chesapeake Bay area. Looks like nothing was done to move the deceased to higher ground.
@@ffjsb There is this thing called erosion that water sometimes does! Frequently, shorelines can recede other than from the sea level rising, making it appear that locally it is rising. Florida and California are recent examples.
That's why in New Orleans everyone is buried in mausoleums. To quote my papa, "You don't want to see your late great uncle floating down the street every time it floods."
@@ffjsb Its erosion, especially from high tides and storms, (bigger and faster in the last decade or so), as eats away at coastal land. I understand why 6-8 inches sounds insignificant, but imagine that spread over an entire ocean. All that ocean wide 6-8 inches carries a massive amount of extra energy, so its extra energy pounding away against the coastline. So sea level rise that seems initially laughable, actually is a real problem, and sadly is why many insurance companies have in recent years stopped cover of coastal and low lying properties.
Why can’t she determine the age or gender? There are far older remains that have been categorized. These remains need to be examined by a forensic anthropologist with more experience.
The more we start doing genetic testing the more we realize that archeologists are not as right with gender-specific bone markers as we once thought we were. A good percentage of bones are gender neutral/ambiguous. She might not be able to tell how old the person was because it's degradation and bad preservation of the bones. Yes you can tell the person was an adult but you can't really always tell beyond rough estimates what age someone is at the best of times. Things like nutrition and disease will cause bones to look older then someone actually is in chronological years. That's why even with the most reputable scientists who are experts in their field you'll get really broad categories of this person was 16 to 25 years old as an example. By the quick look of the bones I got I would guess probably male, again as I previously stated it could be wrong. Skull appears grown adult beyond that no clue.
Apparently my tiny town had something like this happen when my grandpa was young, a massive flood went through a cemetery, picked up the coffins and tossed them all over.
There used to be a stone church and cemetery next to my high school in my hometown and the coffins would push up out of the ground during heavy rain storms.
He might've call the archaeologists, but they didn't investigate. No way they would've left all those bones laying there after digging around in the coffin. And that medical examiner, I don't think she's completely legit. There's a lot more info she could've found if she'd tried! Maybe it just wasn't that important to her.
However, that also cost money that most police and medical examiner offices don't have the funds for every case they get. Even with cold cases, police might be lucky if they can investigate 2-3 of them a year and they would still need a valid and legit reason to do so.
Shouldn’t a medical examiner not be able to tell the gender based on the form and width of the hips etc and for women if they had given birth due to the pelvis deformation ? If they had almost the entire skeleton, you can also see from the hands/ knuckles if this was a grown up or adolescent etc. With humans (alive) they x-ray that part and can give a clear age diagnostic but given this was a skeleton, she could measure that part. At least then the person could be buried with some reference like „unknown man age circa 20 deceased circa 1900 ...
If the ME is going to investigate a cold case, wouldn't it be better to investigate cases that are definitely murder and have a chance of being solved while the perpetrator is still alive versus one that is over a hundred years old with nothing more to gain than satisfying our curiosity? If archeologists had gotten involved and there was some funding coming in for this, that'd be one thing, but if this has to come from the same low budget that police departments also put towards cold cases, I'd say let them investigate more recent ones.
It is very possible that at some point that hill beside where the coffin was found collapsed and the person was above but ended up in the water ! Which would explain why it is now full of sand !
Yes if you look at Hart Island in NY it is also eroding into the sea and many remains are being exposed along the shoreline, perfect example of how this happens
Might not be possible. It would be hard to find somewhere willing to allow the body to be buried in the original coffin and even that would still likely require the body placed into a vault.
Not all medical examiners are doctors. Not even close. There’s no standardization. And towns may just want it to go away if they don’t have the expertise to investigate. It isn’t a good situation. People would have to complain.
When experts and professionals become part of a budgeted system, they lose their efficacy. Thats when archeologists, investigators, detectives, and craftsmen who practice with passion (and not for beaureaus) shine!
Im not suprised. I was born and raised in Annapolis Maryland. As a kid my family used to go to Sandy Point beach. Once we saw a body in the water at the beach. Another time a body was found at the Baltimore Harbor.
@@HunkMinegenetic genealogy is returning names to Jane and John Does rather frequently these days. I would hope these remains aren't reburied before a sample (thigh bone) is taken. I'd want to know if my family member was somehow lost by the bay
It’s an old pirate that died from natural causes while at sea. He was buried at sea. A large hurricane lifted him up off of the sea bottom and his coffin floated to shore.
Hopefully......you give the coffin back to the skeleton buddy . You can tell the reporter thinks he's crazy after he said it needs to be in a museum separate from the body and a moment of silence occurs.
Hey guys, nerd here! Judging from the state of the bones, and more importantly the coffin itself, my guess is that this decedent died sometime preceding or during the 1860’s, as not long after casualties started skyrocketing during the Civil War, we start seeing the mass production of caskets instead of coffins that has continued until today, although quite a few European countries still use coffins for certain people being laid to rest, like for example the Royal family members. More specifically to me, I personally guess this fellow dates somewhere around 1790 ish to 1860… correct me if I’m wrong. 🤔
Here in my small midwest town we have old cemeteries everywhere, there is one behind an old church and some others behind old homes. Apparently people used to bury their loved ones in their backyards. Probably this casket came from a backyard and the ocean destroyed this backyard.
Oh LORD, I go fossil hunting there sometimes, I would lose it if I found that and I was by myself. I am glad the remains are being re-buried. I wonder if this person was interred at sea and washed up here.
A very large area of the Eastern Seaboard 🇺🇸 is undergoing SUBSIDENCE, perhaps at a rate of almost a foot (30 cm) a century! I recently read that it's particularly impacting the Chesapeake Bay area where this report is set. That's coupled with COASTAL EROSION, HEIGHTENED BY CLIMATE CHANGE and RISING SEA LEVEL! Thus, this burial was perhaps from a small family plot that was originally situated on the seaside bluff, which was seen behind that community minded beachcomber and fossil hunter! 'Very disturbing that the state historical and archeological authorities seemed to have shirked their legal and moral duties in this instance! 🙏 ✝️ 🤲 🕍 ⛪️ 🇺🇸 🙏 🤲 🕍 ⛪️ 🤲 ✝️ 🙏
Definitely not a museum piece ! The coffin should just be reburied with the remains ! The detective left the coffin cause they know it's not relevant. The old man is just blowing up the story. Still a crazy find tho.😬😬
This is extremely disrespectful behavior by the Sheriff. Virginia has changed a lot since I was a kid growing up on tge Eastern Shore. They surely could have tested the remains and contacted any living relatives.
I bet you it was a burial at sea from ages ago and unfortunately the coffin washed up instead of disintegrating. I wonder if a Dna test can be done? I agree that the remains and the coffin should be interred together. Or perhaps cremated. Whatever they see fit to do, I guess. ✝️
Probably From Holland(s) Island In Dorchester Maryland That Sank, Possibly Tangier Island In Virginia Their Cemeteries Now Underwater The Person Is Probably A Holland Or Parks Or Related To Those Families. I'm A Parks.
This would have been like an archaeological thing they would have taken photographs measurements and all kinds of stuff for future reference before attempting to remove anything .
The archeological "experts" don't come across well in this story. Poor Oliver did all the work and actually cared about that person's remains.
You're a gem, Oliver!❤
100% with the right expertise they should be able to find many answers… hope they do so before burying the remains.
I agree. They don't appear to know what they're doing, or seem to care.
@@gr8dvd Funding is aways a problem for history departments.
Exactly
the archeological society is just civilians with a hobby. They probably only care about relics, and not people.
very weird they just left it on the beach and a civilian had to gather the remains and coffin himself.
Yeah exactly.
Its California they do all kinds of wacky stuff
@frenchonion4595 isn't Chesapeake Bay in the east coast?
@@ARAMOS-ld6bd haha yep! Bless their heart.
@@frenchonion4595 Chesapeake Bay is Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, that area. Definitely not California.
Thanks for caring, Oliver. Your hat says US Air Force. I'm retired USAF.
Were archaeologists actually involved in this? Kudos to that beachcomber for preserving that coffin. Sounds to me like the so-called professionals dropped the ball.🤔
Why should they be? Someone died about 100 years ago and their coffin & remains were found. It’s not of historical significance. Had the bones been found on the beach without a coffin then it would/should be investigated.
the "archeologists" were just volunteers with an interest in the field. They're not necessarily going to care about old bones.
@jtomyhope575 OK- so they're not archaeologists. That explains alot.
@KitKatToeBeans "it's not of historical significance". Please cite your evidence.
@@KitKatToeBeans Why should archeologists be involved? Kind of their job title when it comes to historical remains. Including the seemingly inconsequential ones.
Aside that and just on the general topic, archeologists and their crew tend to get very little funding and support themselves. Might be a case of that where people couldn't be sent over.
I heard about 20 - 30 years ago that the ocean's rise was causing old cemeteries to be flooded out to sea in the Chesapeake Bay area. Looks like nothing was done to move the deceased to higher ground.
That huge tree stump near it shows it was dry land not too long ago. Probably a long-lost burial, maybe there are others nearby?
Sea level has only risen 6-8 inches in the last 100 years or so. That's not going to flood a cemetery unless they located it in a marsh....
@@ffjsb There is this thing called erosion that water sometimes does! Frequently, shorelines can recede other than from the sea level rising, making it appear that locally it is rising. Florida and California are recent examples.
That's why in New Orleans everyone is buried in mausoleums. To quote my papa, "You don't want to see your late great uncle floating down the street every time it floods."
@@ffjsb Its erosion, especially from high tides and storms, (bigger and faster in the last decade or so), as eats away at coastal land. I understand why 6-8 inches sounds insignificant, but imagine that spread over an entire ocean. All that ocean wide 6-8 inches carries a massive amount of extra energy, so its extra energy pounding away against the coastline. So sea level rise that seems initially laughable, actually is a real problem, and sadly is why many insurance companies have in recent years stopped cover of coastal and low lying properties.
Why can’t she determine the age or gender? There are far older remains that have been categorized.
These remains need to be examined by a forensic anthropologist with more experience.
The more we start doing genetic testing the more we realize that archeologists are not as right with gender-specific bone markers as we once thought we were. A good percentage of bones are gender neutral/ambiguous. She might not be able to tell how old the person was because it's degradation and bad preservation of the bones. Yes you can tell the person was an adult but you can't really always tell beyond rough estimates what age someone is at the best of times. Things like nutrition and disease will cause bones to look older then someone actually is in chronological years. That's why even with the most reputable scientists who are experts in their field you'll get really broad categories of this person was 16 to 25 years old as an example. By the quick look of the bones I got I would guess probably male, again as I previously stated it could be wrong. Skull appears grown adult beyond that no clue.
Apparently my tiny town had something like this happen when my grandpa was young, a massive flood went through a cemetery, picked up the coffins and tossed them all over.
This is most likely how this happened.
There used to be a stone church and cemetery next to my high school in my hometown and the coffins would push up out of the ground during heavy rain storms.
@@KtP370 that is terrifying….
He might've call the archaeologists, but they didn't investigate. No way they would've left all those bones laying there after digging around in the coffin. And that medical examiner, I don't think she's completely legit. There's a lot more info she could've found if she'd tried! Maybe it just wasn't that important to her.
However, that also cost money that most police and medical examiner offices don't have the funds for every case they get. Even with cold cases, police might be lucky if they can investigate 2-3 of them a year and they would still need a valid and legit reason to do so.
What do you think was left for the ME to find on 100+ year old bones that had been submerged in water for who knows how long?
@@Musicballthey can do it. Maybe not her, but many old shipwrecks found with bones can be somewhat identified.
Shouldn’t a medical examiner not be able to tell the gender based on the form and width of the hips etc and for women if they had given birth due to the pelvis deformation ? If they had almost the entire skeleton, you can also see from the hands/ knuckles if this was a grown up or adolescent etc. With humans (alive) they x-ray that part and can give a clear age diagnostic but given this was a skeleton, she could measure that part.
At least then the person could be buried with some reference like „unknown man age circa 20 deceased circa 1900 ...
If the ME is going to investigate a cold case, wouldn't it be better to investigate cases that are definitely murder and have a chance of being solved while the perpetrator is still alive versus one that is over a hundred years old with nothing more to gain than satisfying our curiosity? If archeologists had gotten involved and there was some funding coming in for this, that'd be one thing, but if this has to come from the same low budget that police departments also put towards cold cases, I'd say let them investigate more recent ones.
Skeletal remains, not skeleton remains.
🤣
Well, the skeleton remained on that beach for a while. Lol
Wait a minute...Wait a minute!
Aren't they going to try to extract DNA from it?
I want to hear the results.
Naa nobody cares.
It is very possible that at some point that hill beside where the coffin was found collapsed and the person was above but ended up in the water ! Which would explain why it is now full of sand !
Yeah back in the day they just buried people at the back of the house might of been an old homestead in the 1800's there
Yes if you look at Hart Island in NY it is also eroding into the sea and many remains are being exposed along the shoreline, perfect example of how this happens
Why did he have to dig it up himself? 🤷♂️
🤑
The authorities just left it there?
Awesome story and a good dude, thinking with respect for the dead.
The human remains should be buried in it's original coffin not on display. Good lord let whoever it is rest in peace.
Might not be possible. It would be hard to find somewhere willing to allow the body to be buried in the original coffin and even that would still likely require the body placed into a vault.
The soul is no longer with the remains.
Good lord
@@vihtoripuurola3775
I wouldn't want my remains desecrated, soul or not.
@@vihtoripuurola3775
I wouldn't want my remains desecrated, soul or not.
Where exactly was this at in Calvert County Maryland? Why was the Sheriffs Department not interviewed?
Calvert Cliffs
Cuz nobody cares, it's just an old grave. They'll rebury the bones and move on.
A forensic anthropologist should handle that case.
They aren’t interested in; they have millions of crimes to solve.
I may not know much, but I know my TV, and in my expert opinion that dude is INTERESTING. I bet he has all kinds of stories like this
Fascinating! I agree the coffin should be in a museum.
Not all medical examiners are doctors. Not even close. There’s no standardization. And towns may just want it to go away if they don’t have the expertise to investigate. It isn’t a good situation. People would have to complain.
When experts and professionals become part of a budgeted system, they lose their efficacy.
Thats when archeologists, investigators, detectives, and craftsmen who practice with passion (and not for beaureaus) shine!
🌈
Im not suprised. I was born and raised in Annapolis Maryland. As a kid my family used to go to Sandy Point beach. Once we saw a body in the water at the beach. Another time a body was found at the Baltimore Harbor.
Did you report the body you saw to the police, I hope?
Body’s in the Baltimore Harbor that happens every day ! Nothing new there!
That’s some ghetto beach right there.
Apparently the ride is not over, even when it is over.
SURF’S UP❗️
May have been a burial at sea.
Had nothing to say when the guy suggested it should be “displayed” lol
I caught that, too! 😂 bit of silence and then changed the subject
RIP
Oh my gosh!? Wow…
Goshelter NYC 😢
Maybe that used to be dry land but now has water so the buried is rising.
So everyone left them their at first?
Finders Keepers!
😂
Apparently so. WTH…
I want to know what else has Oliver has found on the beach.
No DNA test at least?
For a dna test you need a matching sample. If it's 100 years old you're not going to find a match in any database
@@HunkMinegenetic genealogy is returning names to Jane and John Does rather frequently these days. I would hope these remains aren't reburied before a sample (thigh bone) is taken. I'd want to know if my family member was somehow lost by the bay
Crap. It's bin laden
😂😂😂
Great find, strange story.
the experts dont care and no one is talking about DNA testing
Hope this guy stays away from t.v.s , this is how Poltergeist started...
The archeologists were just going to leave it there?
Someone call an anthropologist
Can't believe they are just going to use it as decoration at a Red Lobster Restaurant.
Intriguing
crazy story.
The archeologists are my spirit animal
It’s an old pirate that died from natural causes while at sea. He was buried at sea. A large hurricane lifted him up off of the sea bottom and his coffin floated to shore.
Oh. Ok.
I believe so.
A piece of history
Maryland officials ignoring to help. Shocker
Hopefully......you give the coffin back to the skeleton buddy . You can tell the reporter thinks he's crazy after he said it needs to be in a museum separate from the body and a moment of silence occurs.
Who is it?
This the body of..Thomas Edison
Hey guys, nerd here! Judging from the state of the bones, and more importantly the coffin itself, my guess is that this decedent died sometime preceding or during the 1860’s, as not long after casualties started skyrocketing during the Civil War, we start seeing the mass production of caskets instead of coffins that has continued until today, although quite a few European countries still use coffins for certain people being laid to rest, like for example the Royal family members. More specifically to me, I personally guess this fellow dates somewhere around 1790 ish to 1860… correct me if I’m wrong. 🤔
NERD!
😅
That style of coffin was used up until at least the 1920s for poor individuals.
Burial at sea 100 years ago....hit on the head by the mast
They typically don't use coffins for a burial at sea. They wrap the body in a shroud and throw it overboard.
@@oni_goroshi oh, I bet you're right. It's not like they had room on ships for extra coffins!
Oliver is a great guy!!
Beautiful
Here in my small midwest town we have old cemeteries everywhere, there is one behind an old church and some others behind old homes. Apparently people used to bury their loved ones in their backyards. Probably this casket came from a backyard and the ocean destroyed this backyard.
Oh LORD, I go fossil hunting there sometimes, I would lose it if I found that and I was by myself. I am glad the remains are being re-buried. I wonder if this person was interred at sea and washed up here.
A very large area of the Eastern Seaboard 🇺🇸 is undergoing SUBSIDENCE, perhaps at a rate of almost a foot (30 cm) a century!
I recently read that it's particularly impacting the Chesapeake Bay area where this report is set.
That's coupled with COASTAL EROSION, HEIGHTENED BY CLIMATE CHANGE and RISING SEA LEVEL!
Thus, this burial was perhaps from a small family plot that was originally situated on the seaside bluff, which was seen behind that community minded beachcomber and fossil hunter!
'Very disturbing that the state historical and archeological authorities seemed to have shirked their legal and moral duties in this instance!
🙏 ✝️ 🤲 🕍 ⛪️ 🇺🇸 🙏 🤲 🕍 ⛪️ 🤲 ✝️ 🙏
It was one of One-Eyed Willy's pirate crew
Dude seems cool!
Probably a cemetery there at one point.
No DNA to confirm who and how? Sheesh!
Probably because it’s too old and too exposed to the elements. DNA degrades over time
They could easily test the bones
Definitely not a museum piece ! The coffin should just be reburied with the remains ! The detective left the coffin cause they know it's not relevant. The old man is just blowing up the story. Still a crazy find tho.😬😬
"This is somebody's craftsmanship. It should be displayed!"
"... ... It's an incredible story"
😂😂😂😂😂
AWKWARD 😂
Wow that's incredible. But I do think DNA could possibly be tested on the bones
Demeter!!!!😮
Ya, it should be displayed. For $10,000
Réquiem aeternam donna eis, Domine.
Et lux perpetua luceat eis. Amén.
Cheapskate bay?
DIO😮
#vampire
Maybe they can figure out the geneology.
No way the bay harbor butcher
It must be dexter
Turns out they found a ballot for this person and they voted for Harris.
It looks like complete apathy from the authorities. Is this a highly publicized career making case? Nope! Forget it then.
Dracula!!!
Even though that can't identify the person, but they should bury the remains and not make the coffin a museum display.
The coffin should be incased in clear epoxy resin, and displayed in a park.
With genetic genealogy they might be able to find some modern day relatives around.
It might be impossible due to long immersion in water.
Need to get the nano lab etc involved so we can find his/her kin folk . Micro dna etc will find this person's family
This is extremely disrespectful behavior by the Sheriff. Virginia has changed a lot since I was a kid growing up on tge Eastern Shore. They surely could have tested the remains and contacted any living relatives.
It’s Maryland
@@berglettemom6045 Maryland! Well in that case we're lucky they didn't just use the coffin as a portable beachside toilet.
The person could have been missing for years. They need to do a DNA analysis to find relatives and identify the person.
I bet you it was a burial at sea from ages ago and unfortunately the coffin washed up instead of disintegrating. I wonder if a Dna test can be done?
I agree that the remains and the coffin should be interred together. Or perhaps cremated. Whatever they see fit to do, I guess. ✝️
Probably From Holland(s) Island In Dorchester Maryland That Sank, Possibly Tangier Island In Virginia Their Cemeteries Now Underwater
The Person Is Probably A Holland Or Parks Or Related To Those Families. I'm A Parks.
This guy had no right to mess with those remains or the coffin. There are laws about not disturbing the dead !
He did report it to the authorities, and turned over the remains. He does not seem to be in any trouble.
Look at the location , it could very well be that they were going to come back for the remains or decided to leave them be . What he did was wrong .
This would have been like an archaeological thing they would have taken photographs measurements and all kinds of stuff for future reference before attempting to remove anything .
A dead body is not disturbed, nor is it sleeping. It's decomposing biological material.
HAha, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
japan earthquake maybe?
Burial at sea?
More likely a massive flood somewhere unearthed the coffin in seashore Church cemetery and washed it out to sea. Maybe even find more eventually.
They normally didn't use coffins to do a burial at sea. They just wrapped the body in a shroud and dumped it overboard.
It's just a three piece wooden coffin 😂😂 what's so museum worthy of that. How about Native American history.
He wants to have his name on the discovery of the world man lol
I know, right?
So we digging people up now? Just relocate the skeleton.
I don’t know. We need to check the local missing persons reports. This guy seems like he had a few mushrooms before this report.