It’s just a CNC machine for stone. This is not new tech. Various types of CNC machines have been in use for signage, arts and manufacturing for about 30 years now.
You can say its just a CNC Machine but nobody else is going to bother copying this because you need to operate in Carrara where the best marble in the world is and have a good track record of supporting artists. People are not going to start getting people with CNC machines in their garage to do this for them. The sourcing of the best Marble in the world and the finishing craftsman are what make them special.
Camera Its a different form of capturing pictures,this is more like a robot with a paintbrush,its making art mass prodused and cheaper as you see,making handmade workers eventually quit their pansion which will become unprofitable for a living.Offcourse unless they want to get a milion dolar mashine. @@georgemartin4354
Could it be citizens world wide have been lied to about how long computers & robots have been around? Just maybe there were carving robos that Michalangelo & his buddies used back in their time. The world govts have lied to citizens endlessly so, why would they not lie about how long they have had the computer technology. somthing to think about!!
A lot of people who don’t make things in real life are saying that this technology takes the “meaning” out of art. I am a product designer, when I was learning the skills, you used to need to make a mold for every part you imagined in your head, it took months! Now I have an idea and 3D print it while I take a nap, I can iterate 100 times in the time it used to take me to iterate once. Art is an iterative activity, technology like this increases how quickly and artist can iterate on an idea, a theme, etc. instead of spending 3 years bringing an idea to life, you can spend 3 months- think about what that really means for an artist, their livelihood, their creativity. People can feel however they want about this, but it’s not as simple as “automation bad”
That entirely depends. To some the process is the Art. To others it’s the concept. Then to others it’s the tremendous skill to ACTUALLY be able to create something with HUMAN HANDS. The craft vs the concept. So you can’t make a blanket statement for all artists :P
Well, my guy, I'm definitely buying the statue made by hand over the one made by a machine. David would be a lot less impressive if I knew a machine made it.
@@stevrgrs this is the difference between thinking small and thinking big. Now that we have these tools, the sheer scale and complexity of sculptures can be elevated to a higher level. The ability to create 10 pieces interconnected into a giant sculpture takes 2 years instead of 20- for an artist who has a limited amount of time to realize their vision on the world- that time matters. This is just the natural progression of tool use in stone working- 2000 years ago there was rope, hammer, and a chisel- and decades of labor. You’re not worried about pneumatic drills, diamond tipped grinders, and other ‘hand held tools’ … also this is hardly new. Until cnc robotics, sculptors still used CNC to shape the stone, just by removing larger chunks. And better yet, the majority of household sized marble sculptures (under 1 meter in size) have been mass produced with CNC machining for like 50 years. The only change is that the scale and dexterity of machine automated cutting has grown. As I said before, people can feel how they want to feel about it- but art is the struggle between ideation and realization- and in 9/10 cases- an artist will use the tools that most efficiently allow their expression. And more still, in a few years, an artist on the edge will find a way to leverage this robotized technique to pursue a piece that is truly awe inspiring. The reason why classical sculptures like the David are so revered is because it was the highest possible expression of the art form , and the technique 600 years ago. That’s why it stood the test of time. It’s up to us to find the highest form of expression possible with the technique available to us today.
The sound of the chisel tapping then transitioning to the clock ticking at the end would have been such a missed opportunity. I’m really glad they did that.
The general public doesn't understand that virtually all the artists, great and ordinary, had assistants to carry out their works. Bernini had a large studio of employees (the best of them was Bonarelli, whose wife was Bernini's mistress), Rodin had assistants to enlarge his clay models and make the works he is famous for, portrait painters employed drapery painters to paint the clothing in their portaraits, Raphael had a lot of painters to help paint his paintings, Rubens had the largest number of assistants, Rembrandt's paintings were partially painted by his students, Michelangelo had craftsmen block out the big forms of his sculptures .... This was standard practice in the past - it's why they were able to achieve such large bodies of work.
All the people who are upset about the destruction of western civilation don't seem to know that information in this report is how we have a chance of saving it.
There are quite a few studios that work that way today, with one man, usually a man, taking the credit. I still would prefer anything made by human hands, the actual touch of human hands, mistakes and all, to something made by machine.
@@yc5391 I think you might need help. I'm 78 and was one of the highest paid portrait painters in North America for almost 20 years. Now and for the last 25 years, I'm the studio director of, and one of the instructors at, one of the most prestigeous art schools in Florence, Italy. How's that for knowing nothing? What have you accomplished?
A Jazz Pianist I knew once told me he would never stoop so low as to use an electronic piano - I told him in a past life I knew a Harpsichordist who would rather die than use an instrument which so crudely hammered strings rather than plucked them and there was a ghost of a hurdy-gurdy player behind him whining a similar refrain… time, and tools, change. Artistry is in the eye of the beholder.
I'm an artist myself and agree. I find it ironic that often, those who claim new technology lacks creativity, lack the imagination to use them expressively. Though, I agree that oftentimes these tools attract more business minded people and the comodification art. That's why I think it's important for artists to embrace new technology in order to offer alternative approaches rather than allowing the market to be dominated by slop art.
I mean it’s like saying a guitarist the only plays acoustic guitar will never play an electric guitar with a n amp? Why though? It’s literally the exact same thing ? Some of these old time boomers are just stuck in the past and are arrogant. Pshhhh whatever just play it’s all the same
How is that the same to something that literally makes the art itself? Good God. That's totally irrelevant. That's like comparing a chisel to a jackhammer, not a chisel to an AI powered robot arm 😂
‘’You can go too far if the cutter isn’t skillful enough.” That’s the point of the opposition. The skill it took from START to FINISH is a part of the art.
@@MLM68 They're both visual mediums. At one point, if you wanted a portrait done, it had to be painted. Then the camera was invented and it became instantaneous.
@@bluemamba5317 paintors at the infancy of photography, called it soulless and emotionless, free from artistic expression, not realizing that it too can be used like a paintbrush to create art, it's another tool for expressing art.
@@bluemamba5317 Of course you can. You can build it in reality, then photograph it. They did it all the time in movies before CGI. its just more expensive. Its not impossible.
@@leonardodalongisland art is only considered to be crap because another human being determined it to be so. If that equation now involves a non-human producing art then I’m just gonna go ahead and make the determination that every single solitary thing that that nonhuman produces is complete and utter crap.
I totally agree but the result is an imitation of classic art. There’s nothing actually classic about it except that the style is copied and the whole point is defeated.
@ I was thinking a better analogy would be watching a video Cirque du Soleil? The result is known and only requires a single display of skill with a thousand copies.
@@somnuswaltz5586 "Karen" aka someone who actually understands science and medicine enough to know that silicosis is a real threat and will eventuate to death in these workers. It is the job of the employer to enforce PPE and OSHA requirements, or whatever OSHA equivalent they have in Italy.
I agree, he said well the artist comes up with the idea ( duh, yeah) and he thought that was all you needed to sell his expensive machine, and call it the artistic process.
These corporate executives don’t understand that the power of art isn’t in the finished product. It’s actually in the process. That’s why humans innately reject art once they know it was made by a robot. We understand and respect the struggle that went into the physical and emotional triumph of creating something brilliant. Robots can’t deliver that emotion.
Agreed. Van Gogh would never have been “discovered” and appreciated if not for his personality and life story. Fine art will never be replaced by AI or machines for this reason
I wouldn't say that humans reject things that were made by a robot. They just regard is as a manufactered product - which of course has a different value and has to come at a different price.
That ticking at the beginning of the video always triggers memories of my childhood, on Sundays. My mom always made dinner and she would serve close to when 60 minutes was on. That program was the only one she would keep on while we ate. And I never understood why they showed that ticking clock. So the sound of it makes my brain go to Sunday nights at dinner. It’s so weird and yet bittersweet for my childhood.
My father is also a scalpturefor over 40 years know, believe it or not this Cnc statue are priced very expensive my father charges the same as the Cnc company, and there is a different when it comes to to transparent stones, Cnc machine can not work on those because the stone becomes opaque from the harsh cutting angle, the only advantage the Cnc has it the time.
I honestly think is just like a 3d printing . It ripping off the soul in crafting same thing happen with photography when digital photography took over
I don’t think the reality that the masters had teams really makes any difference. It doesn’t change the fact that using a robot definitely takes magic away from sculpture. Using it as a tool to take away the heavy lifting makes perfect sense- but in a world where everything is automated or AI, I will always place more respect and value on things created solely by human hands- whether it was one person or an anonymous team. SomeONE used their time, energy, and body to do it. That is a type of value that robots will absolutely never have.
@ShaneMcGrath. Truly spoken as someone who values money more than the actual art (being one of the most tangible parts of the human condition). It’s fine to feel that way, but you seem to be fixated on the money. Anyone with critical thinking and some context knows that the art “market” is by and for the wealthy to have assets, which is very sad. I’m talking about intrinsic value. If they were both free, and both exactly the same- would you still pick the one that’s made entirely by a robot? Maybe so, because that adds a cool element for you. Maybe not, because you value the human element that has been the creator for thousands of years. Knowing that it comes from someone who has dedicated their life, time, and effort to go from step one to finished piece like I do. It’s my opinion, so there’s not really any reason to be sarcastic.
I just want to set the record straight about Michaelangelo. Mozart was known to finish his music in his head and write it down on paper without any corrections or revisions later on. Michaelangelo worked the same way with his sculptures. When he was commissioned for David, the stone was already looked at by many sculptors to be unworkable because the stone was cut too thin. To make things worse, a couple of sculptors already tried and failed, leaving a huge gap in the bottom center. Yet, Michaelangelo saw his David in the stone and began working. Michaelangelo made no markings or drawings on the stone as if he had the sculpture already finished in his head and just chiseled away to completion. This can be verified through some of his unfinished sculptures. You will see a block of marvel then suddenly on one side you see a fully formed head with a detailed face full of emotions just emerging out of nowhere. Due to the way he worked with stone, no assistant could help him because he would sculpt the details from the get-go.
The last 2 artists/sculptors - Barry and Richard have it right. The robotic chiseling is just but a useful tool for the artist to wield to create their work. The sculptor/artist still has to design the piece and go back and forth before coming up with the design, and even they still have to perform the finishing work to make sure it comes out right. Similar thing happened in the architecture field when CAD (computer-aided design) software came to the field, and instead of spending hundreds of hours on a drawing board and a t-square with a dozen different pencils to draw lines of different depth and thickness, now the software streamlined that process, and made the work much easier to perform. Though the new tools and way to do things, never was able to replace the idea in the mind of the designer/artist.
Thats called a Miniature aka a 3D Plan for the artist to follow instead of a 2D sketch for the Clay Model, and all the work was being done by Artists, maybe in two different locations but the Craft itself was protected.
The problem with those statues is that they don't feel like statues, they feel like goods... They lack soul, that is why they feel dead. They feel like gravestones and grave statues, rather than works of art. And no matter how good the robot gets, that will not change for that exact reason. A sculptor's work is imperfect, it has errors, and elements that were random or improvised due to necessity. When you do it in 3D, every texture, every scratch, every element is calculated, and even errors are planned, or completely avoided because it's easy to correct them. That is why the end product will always feel manufactured and lack soul/life, because is simply to artificial and perfect. I am an illustrator, and I work mostly digitally these days - the digital medium permits me to do some very detailed work and save a lot of time. But when I put pen on paper, or paint on paper, that always ends up looking more impressive and alive. Nobody uses machines or programs because it's an evolution in art, we do it because it saves time and that makes it more economically viable - but is a slippery slope, as that optimization is also lowering the value of our labor, which results in us looking for even more optimization, which results in us lowering the value of our craft even more. Those sculptors are shooting themselves in the foot too, by going for quantity over quality. By reducing the amount of human input in those 'sculptures' ultimately there is going to come a day, when the human input will be completely eliminated, and then they will serve no purpose at all. Those products will always be done by companies run by businessmen and financiers, who see value in art, and only care about profit margins, profit optimization, and creating new industries that they can exploit. The truth is that even looking at it now, I really fail to see why the 3D model must be done by an actual sculptor and not by a 3D artist. It feels more like an industry that is transitioning to a different medium and just holds some of the old guard involved just to quell any potential outrage until the transition is fully done, and then will sent them packing. Ultimately I think those robots would be perfectly capable of working on models that would simply be downloaded from internet libraries done by 3D sculptors uninvolved with this industry that just sell 3D assets for $100 each, like the ones that are done for 3D printers.
I can tell you as a sculptor it;s a career killer. Realize my personal history. I started out in Stop Motion. CG killed that industry. Even Aardman, the Wallace and Gromet claymation people, use CG now. Next came miniatures, models for film. I left the effects industry just as CG was coming into fashion 25 years ago. I don;t know of a single full time modelmaker and most were gone within 5 years of CG and computer printing showed up. Starship Troopers was the last big model film made and that's an old movie now. I currently work doing walk around suits for theme parks and I can tell you nothing is sculpted by hand. It;s all computer modeling. What we are losing that no one will talk about is the craftsmanship. Old school pattern making is largely dead. Hand drawing in architectural design is largely dead. I started out in newspapers and they are largely dead, only the big cities have newspapers and every small town used to have one. Even big cities would have as many as three and they are all down to one. My life has been replaced by technology. I'm in the process of transitioning to permaculture farming, a sculptor remember. It;s the one area where we can still beat machines, by a lot. I can grow nearly 4X the food in the same acreage and by applying technology with ancient techniques I can even feed a 100 people on one acre of ground, and it can be a parking lot. Humans have always been better. Where computers and technology shine is they are adequate, good enough. That's what;s killing us is accepting mediocrity. All the Chinese crap we buy, most lasts a year or two but I;ve had things break as I took them out of the box and many things last weeks to months. Remember, in the past, some of this stuff we passed down to our kids. What we leave behind are garbage pits full of cheap crap. Are things getting better? NO!!!!
@GrayHand-jz6ie Thank you for sharing your experience. I am realizing that this technology essentially eliminates the need for human creators. It's all about manufacturing cheaply and at the same time destroying any hope of original artists making a living wage. It's despicable and anyone who supports these trends is either jealous of human creators, or works for a soulless corporation that uses this kind of technology. I wish you the very best with your new lifestyle.
The impression I got is they are using the robot to do the “grunt work” and get most of the way there and then the artist does all the detail so what you actually see is the work done by hand in the end.
What people don’t understand is the number of people traditionally involved in making most kinds of sculpture well into the 20th century. Sculptors whose finished work is in bronze rely upon skilled foundry workers. Centuries of artists whose work is finished and marble created clay models that were then reproduced in plaster that were then sent off to skilled Italian carvers who translated the work into marble. And yes, they may come in at the end, and do the final detailing and finishing.
Those advances you speak of in your comment facilitated new forms of art but none of those advancements replaced Humans and allowed Human skills to die out. Without Humans hands its not Art.
It’s another form of manufacture and can never replace the stirrings of the human spirit. I’m not anti-machine, I just don’t believe humans are replaceable by machine especially for something as emotional as art.
Here’s the thing: using robots or any advanced tool doesn’t change the essence of art-it just changes how it gets made. Art has always evolved with the tools of the time, whether it's a brush, a chisel, or now, a robot. The artist’s emotions, vision, and creativity are still at the core. The robot’s role is just to help them get there. Saying robot-assisted sculpting is “manufacturing” misses a key point: manufacturing is about reproducing thousands of identical items, but here, a sculptor is using the robot for a one-off piece. The robot doesn’t create the art on its own; it just follows instructions, like a more precise, advanced version of an air-powered chisel. For example, the initial roughing-out of a statue is often done with tools like chainsaws and grinders now, and no one claims that this makes it less “art.” The real art happens in the vision, the detail work, and the finishing-the part that still needs a human hand. In fact, having the ability to work with more efficient tools can allow the artist to focus more on the nuances of their expression. They’re freed from the constraints of basic labor and can pour more into the details, textures, and emotional depth of the piece. Using a robot or a power tool just enables them to make that expression even more powerful and, if anything, lets them get closer to their original vision.
It took sculptures to realizes that A.I. is taking the jobs that makes life worth living. Meanwhile cartoonist, comicbook artists, animators, voice actors, and musicians have been screaming this the past couple years.
How is this even remotely the same as those? Is taking a photo considered an ai art cos ppl dont paint the portrait? This still requires the artist to design the sculpture
Michelangelo’s sculptures awe us because every chisel stroke is his and his assistants'. When machines take over-even with human prompts-something essential is lost.Similar with how some might find AI art impressive, but without the artist’s hand and struggle, it’s just lifeless replication, not true art.
Not strictly true, he had assistants that helped him with his sculptures. In a similar way that this robot does the rough cutting and then it is finished by a human.
@SquidsEye oh yeah, you're right, I forgot, although I would argue that it is still the craftsmanship of the artisans that is truly what makes sculptures so special. But robots? Sure, it is an impressive feat, but only in regards to robotics and science, not sculptures. Essentially, sculptures loses its soul, or partly at the least, when they are done by machines, even if humans are involved.
Soon AI will design the art and then robots sculpt...this robot art will stop being appealing once it becomes easily accessible and u have 100s of them being made in Chinese factories..only real art will stand the test of time
@@headhunter_4209 While you may disagree with the definition of art, you can not deny that machines have been introduced to make the commodification of art easier.
I believe that there is artistic effort put into the design of the 3D model and the final stages of the piece. However, I would not call their technique 'sculpture' in any traditional sense.
What has always made great art remarkable wasn't the fact that it existed, but that it was created directly by the human eye and hand. Take away the eye and hand element and it becomes an artificial replica of art.
No matter how advanced technology may become ( in any art form) , I do believe that there are people who will always prefer and support the beauty of various creations birthed by human hands. ❤
As someone who studied art history and worked in cathedral restorations, bell casting, and restored stained glass I can confirm that all great masters, architects, painters, textile tapestry makers, armory blacksmiths, sculptors, glass blowing artists, stained glass masters had their own teams of helpers and apprentices and it was a prestigious honor to be able to work for a recognized master. The mysticised misconception that great works were done by a single individual are simply not true. Moreover the fact is that throughout time mankind always tried and use the best tools available and state of the art approach for any given moment in history. Progress is a constant reality.
Me too. I think they are arguing over two different techniques and therefore two different products, but since a human is the designer in both cases they are both art. At the root of the disagreement seems to be the inherent artistic value (if any) of the artist's blood, sweat and tears.
I don't respect the AI robo perspective. They are wasting unrenewable marble resources. It's not fair machine vs. unrenewable stones. If AI robo scuplt plastic or concrete, perhaps I don't mind. But marble? No.
@@JasonLarsen-t3v That is exactly my point. My house which was built in 2009 had a granite countertop. But more modern houses, that are built 2013 and newer, are no longer using granite or marble countertops, but the fake ones. Why? Because there are not enough marbles or granites. The demand is bigger than the supply. The robo sculptor will accelerate fast extortion of nature resources (marbles).
The artistry is in the idea like he said, but also in the execution and, In the bold move to use new technology, like famous artists of the past would have done!
The first marble quarry (1785) in the USA was in the village of South Dorset, Vermont. You can hike up to it today, and has a lovely view of the valley.
If people can't see the intrinsic value in a human doing exhaustively hard work embodied in a beautiful sculpture then perhaps they best stick to boat shows instead of art galleries. It's not just how it looks that matters. Applying convenience and time saving to art is just gross
Exactly and the same can be said of wood work. The detailed wood work in old homes is inspiring. Having those details recreated by machines for a modern home would never have the same appeal.
As an artist myself, traditional too, I am used to this at this point. They promise us that the robots will replace the boring jobs and give us time to pursue a creative job, but instead the creative field got replaced by robots and the artists should get a boring job. Its a massive societal treason no one asked for. Playing such games with the collective soul, society will become even more mercantile. When people complain modern art is bad, maybe they deserve this version of it anyway. Meanwhile they want to sold my impressionistic oil paintings for as cheap as possible.
Hmm. When you remove the human element from the creation of art... you delete the purpose in making it. This is fine if you just want something nice to look at, but it NEEDS to be created by an actual person in order to have a soul attached to it. This counts for all of the art forms. I'm not against AI or machines, I totally get it- but I'd be loath to consider any of the things they do with that= Art. (as an aside, an interesting paradox, that the things that are usurping what is man's best qualities, are themselves, created by man)
What we admire about sculpture is the technical skill involved in creating it. The historic subject matter -- busts of famous people, etc. -- is pretty prosaic. Modern sculpture, like that at 10:55, is just a doodle in stone, something like what a bored high school student would draw in his/her notebook during a tedious class. If that doodle is translated to stone, who cares whether a machine or a team of humans did it? It's pointless: it's a doodle. People looking at it will admire the smoothness of the finish (or lack thereof) and the fluidity of the lines ... in other words, the technical aspects of its creation ... and say, "Very nice" and move on to the next manufactured piece. Better to use the marble for kitchen countertops.
"A feat not possible in Michelangelo's time"...but ALL of Earth knows that moundbuilder architecture is worldwide. Remember, children, stupid is an equal opportunity employer.🗝
“Pens replaced quills.” Last time I checked, people were praising Shakespeare and the Brontë’s for their ideas, not their penmanship. Writing and literature are not a visual medium. You read a book for the ideas, not the font. False equivalency on your part.
@@loudwatersrunshallow Well I was searching for proof of advancement so I did dip ! Your tone suggest disaproval towards conflict ? Not here for that thanks. Good luck
Multi axis CNC programmer here. If you saw how involved it is to create a robust model for those sculptures and to generate toolpath that could reach all of those features it would be definitely be called ART. Even if you scan an existing sculpture it is no small task to get smooth and flowing toolpath. Also you can make multiple almost identical sculptures. That would be very unlikely doing it by hand.
@golddmane Why do we need to decide what people do all day? Perhaps this free Time will allow the humans to build healthy human relationships, bond with family and create non psychopathic humans for the future.
@@NakedSageAstrology The problem is that a life of excess pleasure and no responsibility quickly becomes meaningless. And now that it's clear that AI will be able to create art, people will feel completely unfulfilled. Every precedent we have for people who do zero work throughout their life is negative. Depression is already skyrocketing because of the internet. Imagine what it'll be like when it not only feels like one's own life has no purpose, but that the entire purpose of humanity has been made obsolete by AI.
@golddmane The need for purpose is nothing more than ego. Humans will learn to bond with their peers and raise healthy human families, free of the current stresses and turmoils. Humans will have to look within for fulfillment.
So I guess you missed the part of the video where they mentioned that? And, many times Michelangelo did do EVERYTHING by himself...but regardless of who did the work-it was done by Humans.
The difference between the machine and the person is the amount of creation compared to the amount of the machine. When a person dies, all knowledge and experience dies with him, which makes his creations unique and also rare. On the other hand, the machine will continue to exist, it is possible to produce many machines and reproduce all the creations.
This is honestly a great thing for art. There are people who have been diving into 3D rendering for various fields. If someone has the capacity to make something beautiful in a digital format and they then have the option to produce and sell those works in stone, that's objectively good for artists. I can imagine a day where this becomes so cheap that people can own one in their garage or basement.
@@leonardodalongisland I disagree! Creativity is infinite! Art generated by Robo will be plentiful, replaceable, and inexpensive; and art generated by humans will be rare, cherished, and expensive. Room for everyone, no?
At the end of the day, it might be carved by a robot, but a human being still made the sculpture, just on a computer rather than using a clay model. As an artist, computer based sculpting is really nice compared to fiddling with oil clay. No mess, no doubt as to proportions, and you can undo something in the click of a button, where that might have been next to impossible with the clay model. My artistic vision is still the same, whether I express it through a computer or a clay model. It's just a new set of tools to work with.
@@sirmontag That is exactly what makes it valuable. Any idiot can make stuff using a computer. Using your hands, manipulating real life objects, takes skill and talent to do correctly.
@@bluemamba5317 "Any idiot can make stuff using a computer" I am not sure you are familiar with what it takes to become a proficient digital sculpture / 3d artist. it is years of practice just like for traditional work.
@@bluemamba5317 - Believe it or not, sculpting on a computer takes a great deal of expertise if you don't want something that looks like crud. It's the same set of skills, just in a different format. A foolish workman complains about the tools, what matters is the end result. If Michelangelo was around today, he'd take to digital sculpting like a duck to water.
@johnosam4681 No, this is business. Art is done by humans expressing their talents using their history, their fragility, their time, their dedication, years of developing craftsmanship. This is soulless and done only to make money quickly.
They will always be a place for the actual thing. It’s just that you’ll see more sculptures and regular buildings and stuff like that in the architecture. Like once upon a time, but that have been removed because the cost of sculpture is so expensive. So you’ll see more sculpture and regular every day buildings but the real thing will still show very great value.robots are robots. Nobody really cares if a robots making a sculpture but seeing the abilities of a human being to do that is still shockingly impressive
I am a Master Woodcarver. When I started doing competitions I would get Best of Show every time I entered and the old guard would say they will never use power tools in their carvings, but they wouldn't get best of shows either. Since the "Old Guard" were on the board of directors, they changed the rules so I couldn't compete anymore. BS! They use their chisels and files on wood cut down by $300,000 timber harvesters and say they are "all traditional" in their work. I've made a career out of my art and jobs for other people too using any tool I can get my hand on. (Wooden Alchemy)
I see a comment sections full of geeks and non artistic wanna be artist talking about what Michelangelo would think. As an artist do a search on Michelangelo drawings, geekoids saying "Michelangelo" would love robo geek is like saying Beethoven would "Love" techno....I guess time and $$$ is more important than the soul in the evolution of greed and couch potatoes...
There's no threat to the art form. Using tech to make statues is nothing new. There's always been an appreciation for knowing a person toiled over something for hours. That's what machines will never replace despite being more capable than humans for decades.
The amount of talent and skill that Michelangelo possessed boggles the mind! Having robots sculpt marble doesn’t boggle anything except to create counterfeit sculptures!
Yes!!! Exactly! Monfroni gets it. "Sculpting is passion, robots are business." You lose the satisfaction of making something by hand. "Sacrilege... Wonder what Monfroni thinks of that Banana taped to a wall selling for 1 million in a Miami gallery...I say also...sacrilege. Art is an extension of oneself, ones feelings and ideas. But thought alone is not sufficient. You have to execute an idea with enough skill or precision for people to look at it and say, wow, you did this yourself. I feel your message or your struggle to bring this into being. This came from you? This came from a human's hands? It isnt just the the act of thinking it is the act of doing. You lose that when you remove the human doing aspect of it. Should a ceramic mug made in a factory by machines be revered with the same sense of awe as a work of Michelangelo? We have plastic and mold injectors and engravers, shouls every trinket made by them be "art" There is definitey a trade off here. I get that it can enhance and allow for accessibility for those with physical limitations but for those with no physical limitations, in my view it cheapens the the final outcome. To me it goes from art-piece to "product." It reminds me of the title of one of Magritte's paintings "Not to be reproduced." That is the point...no? It will be harder to say genuine-one-of-a-kind when you can mass produce something. The final touches by the human would have to be so unique and significant that it deters from viewing the sculpture as anything less than something manufactured by a machine. If we really get down to the knitty gritty..Is it the artist who is created a work of art or is it the engineer who created the machine who is the actual artist. The engineer concieved of a machine, prototyped it, executed their idea, then deployed that machine to create things. The artist is the user-interface of an engineer's creation. So. Who's art is it?
To add. Saying something is your creation whe the machine did more than 50% of the work is self-deceptive. It is dishonest. If I say I climbed Mt. Everest during the summer and your reply is wow...What a feat. And then later I clarify that it was by helicopter. It completely alters your view of the outcome. Why? Because it is about the journey from starting point to end point. The strain, the decision process, the personal journey from start to finish is inextricable from a real work of art. The machine does not experience the human limitation physically nor psychologically. Maybe they need a new branding or term for this evolution in the creative world.. i.e. call it Tech-Enhanced-Art for art that 50% machine assisted. And leave the term of "Art" to be humancentric without asssistance of machine?
It’s just a CNC machine for stone. This is not new tech. Various types of CNC machines have been in use for signage, arts and manufacturing for about 30 years now.
It’s been used in stone sculpture for about the same time as well
my comment would be: "here in Brazil we call it CNC."
That's what I was about to write. Just a CNC, nothing to fret about!
You can say its just a CNC Machine but nobody else is going to bother copying this because you need to operate in Carrara where the best marble in the world is and have a good track record of supporting artists. People are not going to start getting people with CNC machines in their garage to do this for them. The sourcing of the best Marble in the world and the finishing craftsman are what make them special.
Fact
love how the marble sound at the end transitions to the 60 min ticking sound. good job, editor!
Now I have to listen to the whole thing
@13:10
I was thinking the same thing, Someone is very proud of themselves for that 😆
When the camera was invented, people didn't stop painting.
Camera Its a different form of capturing pictures,this is more like a robot with a paintbrush,its making art mass prodused and cheaper as you see,making handmade workers eventually quit their pansion which will become unprofitable for a living.Offcourse unless they want to get a milion dolar mashine. @@georgemartin4354
Michelangelo rolls in his grave? Well maybe Da Vinci says, "Give me one of those CNC machines and I'll show you something really incredible."
Yeah I was thinking Leonardo the world's most inventive ENGINEER would absolutely love this. Leo the world's greatest ARTIST..who knows
he's probably teaching and training himself with Blender/ZBrush
Could it be citizens world wide have been lied to about how long computers & robots have been around? Just maybe there were carving robos that Michalangelo & his buddies used back in their time. The world govts have lied to citizens endlessly so, why would they not lie about how long they have had the computer technology. somthing to think about!!
BTW the CNC can only clone. Can it EVER create something from a block of marble on its own ? Even utilising the finest programming brains?
Exactly.
I promise you Barry, Michelangelo is not looking down at your work with thoughts of approval 😂
Yeah what a crazy thing to say
Obviously this guy has much better artistic taste than Michelangelo😂
A lot of people who don’t make things in real life are saying that this technology takes the “meaning” out of art. I am a product designer, when I was learning the skills, you used to need to make a mold for every part you imagined in your head, it took months! Now I have an idea and 3D print it while I take a nap, I can iterate 100 times in the time it used to take me to iterate once. Art is an iterative activity, technology like this increases how quickly and artist can iterate on an idea, a theme, etc. instead of spending 3 years bringing an idea to life, you can spend 3 months- think about what that really means for an artist, their livelihood, their creativity. People can feel however they want about this, but it’s not as simple as “automation bad”
That entirely depends.
To some the process is the Art. To others it’s the concept.
Then to others it’s the tremendous skill to ACTUALLY be able to create something with HUMAN HANDS. The craft vs the concept.
So you can’t make a blanket statement for all artists :P
Well, my guy, I'm definitely buying the statue made by hand over the one made by a machine. David would be a lot less impressive if I knew a machine made it.
@@vattghern7592 sure, and when was the last time you bought a handmade marble sculpture?
@@stevrgrs this is the difference between thinking small and thinking big. Now that we have these tools, the sheer scale and complexity of sculptures can be elevated to a higher level. The ability to create 10 pieces interconnected into a giant sculpture takes 2 years instead of 20- for an artist who has a limited amount of time to realize their vision on the world- that time matters. This is just the natural progression of tool use in stone working- 2000 years ago there was rope, hammer, and a chisel- and decades of labor. You’re not worried about pneumatic drills, diamond tipped grinders, and other ‘hand held tools’ … also this is hardly new. Until cnc robotics, sculptors still used CNC to shape the stone, just by removing larger chunks. And better yet, the majority of household sized marble sculptures (under 1 meter in size) have been mass produced with CNC machining for like 50 years. The only change is that the scale and dexterity of machine automated cutting has grown. As I said before, people can feel how they want to feel about it- but art is the struggle between ideation and realization- and in 9/10 cases- an artist will use the tools that most efficiently allow their expression. And more still, in a few years, an artist on the edge will find a way to leverage this robotized technique to pursue a piece that is truly awe inspiring. The reason why classical sculptures like the David are so revered is because it was the highest possible expression of the art form , and the technique 600 years ago. That’s why it stood the test of time. It’s up to us to find the highest form of expression possible with the technique available to us today.
@josephdouglas6260 yesterday
I like that quote, "if your idea is bad whether you make it with a robot or not it'll still be bad"
What a waste of marble resources..
I like the "Sculpting is passion robots are business"
@@real_hello_kitty I would say the same thing about many other items
FIine you got a great idea but do not call it art because it is not .
@@jordanwilliams2557...Other things are not art huge difference .
The sound of the chisel tapping then transitioning to the clock ticking at the end would have been such a missed opportunity. I’m really glad they did that.
The general public doesn't understand that virtually all the artists, great and ordinary, had assistants to carry out their works. Bernini had a large studio of employees (the best of them was Bonarelli, whose wife was Bernini's mistress), Rodin had assistants to enlarge his clay models and make the works he is famous for, portrait painters employed drapery painters to paint the clothing in their portaraits, Raphael had a lot of painters to help paint his paintings, Rubens had the largest number of assistants, Rembrandt's paintings were partially painted by his students, Michelangelo had craftsmen block out the big forms of his sculptures .... This was standard practice in the past - it's why they were able to achieve such large bodies of work.
All the people who are upset about the destruction of western civilation don't seem to know that information in this report is how we have a chance of saving it.
There are quite a few studios that work that way today, with one man, usually a man, taking the credit. I still would prefer anything made by human hands, the actual touch of human hands, mistakes and all, to something made by machine.
you know nothing! this is an ignorant point of view. i sculpt better than that robot and i have no help!
also a body of work is not the same as doing the work! you know nothing!
@@yc5391 I think you might need help. I'm 78 and was one of the highest paid portrait painters in North America for almost 20 years. Now and for the last 25 years, I'm the studio director of, and one of the instructors at, one of the most prestigeous art schools in Florence, Italy. How's that for knowing nothing? What have you accomplished?
A Jazz Pianist I knew once told me he would never stoop so low as to use an electronic piano - I told him in a past life I knew a Harpsichordist who would rather die than use an instrument which so crudely hammered strings rather than plucked them and there was a ghost of a hurdy-gurdy player behind him whining a similar refrain… time, and tools, change. Artistry is in the eye of the beholder.
I'm an artist myself and agree. I find it ironic that often, those who claim new technology lacks creativity, lack the imagination to use them expressively.
Though, I agree that oftentimes these tools attract more business minded people and the comodification art. That's why I think it's important for artists to embrace new technology in order to offer alternative approaches rather than allowing the market to be dominated by slop art.
I mean it’s like saying a guitarist the only plays acoustic guitar will never play an electric guitar with a n amp? Why though? It’s literally the exact same thing ? Some of these old time boomers are just stuck in the past and are arrogant. Pshhhh whatever just play it’s all the same
not the same....
How is that the same to something that literally makes the art itself? Good God. That's totally irrelevant. That's like comparing a chisel to a jackhammer, not a chisel to an AI powered robot arm 😂
‘’You can go too far if the cutter isn’t skillful enough.” That’s the point of the opposition. The skill it took from START to FINISH is a part of the art.
When the camera was invented, people didn't stop painting.
That’s because they’re two different forms of expression.
@@MLM68 They're both visual mediums. At one point, if you wanted a portrait done, it had to be painted. Then the camera was invented and it became instantaneous.
@@georgemartin4354 Not the same thing, you can't take pictures of something that doesn't exist, but you can paint it.
@@bluemamba5317 paintors at the infancy of photography, called it soulless and emotionless, free from artistic expression, not realizing that it too can be used like a paintbrush to create art, it's another tool for expressing art.
@@bluemamba5317 Of course you can. You can build it in reality, then photograph it. They did it all the time in movies before CGI. its just more expensive. Its not impossible.
Wow the mountains and valley are amazing.
The artist they're hinting at that they don't want anyone to know about is Daniel Arsham.
Thanks. I just looked his-not-impressive work up.
@@leonardodalongislandhe's better than a lot.
@@bradolfpittler2875because a robot makes it 😂
@@bradolfpittler2875 And most "art" is crap, so that's not saying much. Everyone is better than everyone on the planet-except one person.
@@leonardodalongisland art is only considered to be crap because another human being determined it to be so. If that equation now involves a non-human producing art then I’m just gonna go ahead and make the determination that every single solitary thing that that nonhuman produces is complete and utter crap.
I love how random and beautiful are those 60 minutes segments. Never thought about a marble sculpting robot or the types of italian stone.
This would be great for making classical architecture cost effective
I totally agree but the result is an imitation of classic art. There’s nothing actually classic about it except that the style is copied and the whole point is defeated.
@@jelambertson neoclassical architecture is a style, not a period
@@jelambertson we can always program some randomness to it.
Can it carve Wenis? I want the david with 500% Wenis
@ I was thinking a better analogy would be watching a video Cirque du Soleil? The result is known and only requires a single display of skill with a thousand copies.
D Wade watching this in tears 😂
😂😂
I was thinking the same thing. They should have used Robo for his statue.😂😂
lol 😂
That bronze statue was literally the first thing that came to my mind with this 😂
Hahahaha😂
Those workers are not using any PPE. They are inhaling marble dust, which is not good. Marble and diamond dust plus who knows what else. Wow.
Ok Karen. Go find the manager
@@somnuswaltz5586 "Karen" aka someone who actually understands science and medicine enough to know that silicosis is a real threat and will eventuate to death in these workers. It is the job of the employer to enforce PPE and OSHA requirements, or whatever OSHA equivalent they have in Italy.
Nah let this guy breathe it in. God will sort him out.
@JDMonsterGoesToTheMoon
I guess all those people already knew the consequences ... yet they still not using protective gears. So it's their choice.
I thought the same thing-and the last ones we saw are Americans-they should know better!
The Italian salesman ain't selling it. Art for art sake is a labor of love, not the flip of a switch.
I agree, he said well the artist comes up with the idea ( duh, yeah) and he thought that was all you needed to sell his expensive machine, and call it the artistic process.
They sold crappy modern art, what makes this any different? At least this one is better.
It depends on how much you care about the method, the result is the same.
if the carvings impressed people, it's already art. you don't have a say on it 😂
These corporate executives don’t understand that the power of art isn’t in the finished product. It’s actually in the process. That’s why humans innately reject art once they know it was made by a robot. We understand and respect the struggle that went into the physical and emotional triumph of creating something brilliant. Robots can’t deliver that emotion.
Prints made from great paintings are a wonderful extension of the artist. Before only viewed by the king or oligarch.
@@218philipYes, but you know that those are prints, not the original. With the robots, who knows how the creations will be marketed.
Agreed. Van Gogh would never have been “discovered” and appreciated if not for his personality and life story. Fine art will never be replaced by AI or machines for this reason
I wouldn't say that humans reject things that were made by a robot. They just regard is as a manufactered product - which of course has a different value and has to come at a different price.
Says a broke arse guy who buys ikea and eats at McDonald's. 😂😂😂
That ticking at the beginning of the video always triggers memories of my childhood, on Sundays. My mom always made dinner and she would serve close to when 60 minutes was on. That program was the only one she would keep on while we ate. And I never understood why they showed that ticking clock. So the sound of it makes my brain go to Sunday nights at dinner. It’s so weird and yet bittersweet for my childhood.
If he wants to do it by hand, I respect his decision. The only difference will be of course, the price.
this is a good point because it also reflects the value of the artpiece.
My father is also a scalpturefor over 40 years know, believe it or not this Cnc statue are priced very expensive my father charges the same as the Cnc company, and there is a different when it comes to to transparent stones, Cnc machine can not work on those because the stone becomes opaque from the harsh cutting angle, the only advantage the Cnc has it the time.
@@armarmo964 , so the CNC also has its limitations. Thanks for the info! Your father must charge more than the CNC is charging.
If the things are identical, why the price should be different?
@@clam4597 I guess carving marble is a more skilled practice than drawing with a 3d software imo
I honestly think is just like a 3d printing . It ripping off the soul in crafting same thing happen with photography when digital photography took over
Evolution
I don’t think the reality that the masters had teams really makes any difference. It doesn’t change the fact that using a robot definitely takes magic away from sculpture. Using it as a tool to take away the heavy lifting makes perfect sense- but in a world where everything is automated or AI, I will always place more respect and value on things created solely by human hands- whether it was one person or an anonymous team. SomeONE used their time, energy, and body to do it. That is a type of value that robots will absolutely never have.
Good for you, You can pay 2 million and I'll pay $2000 and get the same thing!
@ShaneMcGrath. Truly spoken as someone who values money more than the actual art (being one of the most tangible parts of the human condition). It’s fine to feel that way, but you seem to be fixated on the money. Anyone with critical thinking and some context knows that the art “market” is by and for the wealthy to have assets, which is very sad. I’m talking about intrinsic value. If they were both free, and both exactly the same- would you still pick the one that’s made entirely by a robot?
Maybe so, because that adds a cool element for you.
Maybe not, because you value the human element that has been the creator for thousands of years. Knowing that it comes from someone who has dedicated their life, time, and effort to go from step one to finished piece like I do.
It’s my opinion, so there’s not really any reason to be sarcastic.
I just want to set the record straight about Michaelangelo. Mozart was known to finish his music in his head and write it down on paper without any corrections or revisions later on. Michaelangelo worked the same way with his sculptures. When he was commissioned for David, the stone was already looked at by many sculptors to be unworkable because the stone was cut too thin. To make things worse, a couple of sculptors already tried and failed, leaving a huge gap in the bottom center. Yet, Michaelangelo saw his David in the stone and began working. Michaelangelo made no markings or drawings on the stone as if he had the sculpture already finished in his head and just chiseled away to completion. This can be verified through some of his unfinished sculptures. You will see a block of marvel then suddenly on one side you see a fully formed head with a detailed face full of emotions just emerging out of nowhere. Due to the way he worked with stone, no assistant could help him because he would sculpt the details from the get-go.
The last 2 artists/sculptors - Barry and Richard have it right. The robotic chiseling is just but a useful tool for the artist to wield to create their work. The sculptor/artist still has to design the piece and go back and forth before coming up with the design, and even they still have to perform the finishing work to make sure it comes out right.
Similar thing happened in the architecture field when CAD (computer-aided design) software came to the field, and instead of spending hundreds of hours on a drawing board and a t-square with a dozen different pencils to draw lines of different depth and thickness, now the software streamlined that process, and made the work much easier to perform. Though the new tools and way to do things, never was able to replace the idea in the mind of the designer/artist.
Most artist that carved in marble had Italian craftsman copy their clay model to 90% completion and then they finish the rest.
This should be the top comment
Thats called a Miniature aka a 3D Plan for the artist to follow instead of a 2D sketch for the Clay Model, and all the work was being done by Artists, maybe in two different locations but the Craft itself was protected.
@@gbekkema why? doesnt have any relevancy to the topic
@@samsmith2635 I think the whole of this comment section would disagree. What do you then think what the topic is?
So you are saying it was done by human hands? That is the point.
The problem with those statues is that they don't feel like statues, they feel like goods... They lack soul, that is why they feel dead. They feel like gravestones and grave statues, rather than works of art. And no matter how good the robot gets, that will not change for that exact reason. A sculptor's work is imperfect, it has errors, and elements that were random or improvised due to necessity. When you do it in 3D, every texture, every scratch, every element is calculated, and even errors are planned, or completely avoided because it's easy to correct them. That is why the end product will always feel manufactured and lack soul/life, because is simply to artificial and perfect. I am an illustrator, and I work mostly digitally these days - the digital medium permits me to do some very detailed work and save a lot of time. But when I put pen on paper, or paint on paper, that always ends up looking more impressive and alive. Nobody uses machines or programs because it's an evolution in art, we do it because it saves time and that makes it more economically viable - but is a slippery slope, as that optimization is also lowering the value of our labor, which results in us looking for even more optimization, which results in us lowering the value of our craft even more. Those sculptors are shooting themselves in the foot too, by going for quantity over quality. By reducing the amount of human input in those 'sculptures' ultimately there is going to come a day, when the human input will be completely eliminated, and then they will serve no purpose at all. Those products will always be done by companies run by businessmen and financiers, who see value in art, and only care about profit margins, profit optimization, and creating new industries that they can exploit. The truth is that even looking at it now, I really fail to see why the 3D model must be done by an actual sculptor and not by a 3D artist. It feels more like an industry that is transitioning to a different medium and just holds some of the old guard involved just to quell any potential outrage until the transition is fully done, and then will sent them packing. Ultimately I think those robots would be perfectly capable of working on models that would simply be downloaded from internet libraries done by 3D sculptors uninvolved with this industry that just sell 3D assets for $100 each, like the ones that are done for 3D printers.
I can tell you as a sculptor it;s a career killer. Realize my personal history. I started out in Stop Motion. CG killed that industry. Even Aardman, the Wallace and Gromet claymation people, use CG now. Next came miniatures, models for film. I left the effects industry just as CG was coming into fashion 25 years ago. I don;t know of a single full time modelmaker and most were gone within 5 years of CG and computer printing showed up. Starship Troopers was the last big model film made and that's an old movie now. I currently work doing walk around suits for theme parks and I can tell you nothing is sculpted by hand. It;s all computer modeling. What we are losing that no one will talk about is the craftsmanship. Old school pattern making is largely dead. Hand drawing in architectural design is largely dead. I started out in newspapers and they are largely dead, only the big cities have newspapers and every small town used to have one. Even big cities would have as many as three and they are all down to one. My life has been replaced by technology. I'm in the process of transitioning to permaculture farming, a sculptor remember. It;s the one area where we can still beat machines, by a lot. I can grow nearly 4X the food in the same acreage and by applying technology with ancient techniques I can even feed a 100 people on one acre of ground, and it can be a parking lot. Humans have always been better. Where computers and technology shine is they are adequate, good enough. That's what;s killing us is accepting mediocrity. All the Chinese crap we buy, most lasts a year or two but I;ve had things break as I took them out of the box and many things last weeks to months. Remember, in the past, some of this stuff we passed down to our kids. What we leave behind are garbage pits full of cheap crap. Are things getting better? NO!!!!
thank you for posting this online - the courier pigeon with your message seems to be off-line right now.
@GrayHand-jz6ie
Thank you for sharing your experience. I am realizing that this technology essentially eliminates the need for human creators. It's all about manufacturing cheaply and at the same time destroying any hope of original artists making a living wage. It's despicable and anyone who supports these trends is either jealous of human creators, or works for a soulless corporation that uses this kind of technology. I wish you the very best with your new lifestyle.
I’m an artist. Using a CNC machine isn’t the same as by hand looks different very dead.
These guys using CNC robots are after money.
The impression I got is they are using the robot to do the “grunt work” and get most of the way there and then the artist does all the detail so what you actually see is the work done by hand in the end.
5:08 “I am… Marble Man.”
What people don’t understand is the number of people traditionally involved in making most kinds of sculpture well into the 20th century. Sculptors whose finished work is in bronze rely upon skilled foundry workers. Centuries of artists whose work is finished and marble created clay models that were then reproduced in plaster that were then sent off to skilled Italian carvers who translated the work into marble. And yes, they may come in at the end, and do the final detailing and finishing.
And that’s the soul of sculpture not damn robot
Those advances you speak of in your comment facilitated new forms of art but none of those advancements replaced Humans and allowed Human skills to die out. Without Humans hands its not Art.
It’s another form of manufacture and can never replace the stirrings of the human spirit. I’m not anti-machine, I just don’t believe humans are replaceable by machine especially for something as emotional as art.
how do you think the 3d model was sculpted?
Here’s the thing: using robots or any advanced tool doesn’t change the essence of art-it just changes how it gets made. Art has always evolved with the tools of the time, whether it's a brush, a chisel, or now, a robot. The artist’s emotions, vision, and creativity are still at the core. The robot’s role is just to help them get there.
Saying robot-assisted sculpting is “manufacturing” misses a key point: manufacturing is about reproducing thousands of identical items, but here, a sculptor is using the robot for a one-off piece. The robot doesn’t create the art on its own; it just follows instructions, like a more precise, advanced version of an air-powered chisel. For example, the initial roughing-out of a statue is often done with tools like chainsaws and grinders now, and no one claims that this makes it less “art.” The real art happens in the vision, the detail work, and the finishing-the part that still needs a human hand.
In fact, having the ability to work with more efficient tools can allow the artist to focus more on the nuances of their expression. They’re freed from the constraints of basic labor and can pour more into the details, textures, and emotional depth of the piece. Using a robot or a power tool just enables them to make that expression even more powerful and, if anything, lets them get closer to their original vision.
No mater what you say or do, change is the only constant in the universe
It took sculptures to realizes that A.I. is taking the jobs that makes life worth living.
Meanwhile cartoonist, comicbook artists, animators, voice actors, and musicians have been screaming this the past couple years.
Jobs do not make life worth living. We need to break away from this work to survive mentality.
It's every job sector is. Yet ai can not replicate human and fix "human" errors or add emotional nuances to things...yet
How is this even remotely the same as those? Is taking a photo considered an ai art cos ppl dont paint the portrait? This still requires the artist to design the sculpture
@@malcolmdcwwed true. They use to say you can always spot an a.i image from the hands, and that didn't last long.
@@Centrioless Media literacy and actual intelligence is needed to connect the dots, sorry for your loss lol
Michelangelo’s sculptures awe us because every chisel stroke is his and his assistants'. When machines take over-even with human prompts-something essential is lost.Similar with how some might find AI art impressive, but without the artist’s hand and struggle, it’s just lifeless replication, not true art.
Not strictly true, he had assistants that helped him with his sculptures. In a similar way that this robot does the rough cutting and then it is finished by a human.
Would you caption it accordingly?
@SquidsEye oh yeah, you're right, I forgot, although I would argue that it is still the craftsmanship of the artisans that is truly what makes sculptures so special. But robots? Sure, it is an impressive feat, but only in regards to robotics and science, not sculptures. Essentially, sculptures loses its soul, or partly at the least, when they are done by machines, even if humans are involved.
This is not AI. Not yet anyway.
Soon AI will design the art and then robots sculpt...this robot art will stop being appealing once it becomes easily accessible and u have 100s of them being made in Chinese factories..only real art will stand the test of time
The artist is what makes the art, without the hands of the artist this will never be anything more than an imitation used for commercial practices.
you are so wrong its crazy
@@headhunter_4209 While you may disagree with the definition of art, you can not deny that machines have been introduced to make the commodification of art easier.
I believe that there is artistic effort put into the design of the 3D model and the final stages of the piece. However, I would not call their technique 'sculpture' in any traditional sense.
This is not art!! The robot is doing the work!!
@@DakotaFord592 It soon will be though, When A.I. creates it on a computer and then the robot sculpts it.
What has always made great art remarkable wasn't the fact that it existed, but that it was created directly by the human eye and hand. Take away the eye and hand element and it becomes an artificial replica of art.
how do you think the 3d model was sculpted? The eyes and hands of a human artist perhaps?
@@aleckto28 exactly Michelangelo would absolutely have been all in on using robots
As an artist (who uses both; humans and machines): you are 100 percent spot-on.
Absolutely amazing!! Well said by Irving!!
Mistakes contain more genius than Perfection.
I wouldn’t buy it.
So i guess being able to make a model in CAD and writing a CNC program makes you an artist now lol
If you make it in real life, that literally does make you an artist. 99% of every physical object, art or not, aside from painting- starts in CAD
Great way to learn the difference between an artist and an illustrator. Robots are able to produce illustrative work .
No matter how advanced technology may become ( in any art form) , I do believe that there are people who will always prefer and support the beauty of various creations birthed by human hands. ❤
This was so intriguing ❤ Thank you for educating us❤❤❤ I can understand the sentiment from both sides of the fence
Sculpting is passion and craftmanship, robots are just business and profit
Lol, because artists don't need to eat.
@johnbrooks4965 Corporates want more than a day's meal worth of penny. They will always want more. That's the difference.
As someone who studied art history and worked in cathedral restorations, bell casting, and restored stained glass I can confirm that all great masters, architects, painters, textile tapestry makers, armory blacksmiths, sculptors, glass blowing artists, stained glass masters had their own teams of helpers and apprentices and it was a prestigious honor to be able to work for a recognized master. The mysticised misconception that great works were done by a single individual are simply not true.
Moreover the fact is that throughout time mankind always tried and use the best tools available and state of the art approach for any given moment in history.
Progress is a constant reality.
I respect both sides of this debate.
Me too.
I think they are arguing over two different techniques and therefore two different products, but since a human is the designer in both cases they are both art.
At the root of the disagreement seems to be the inherent artistic value (if any) of the artist's blood, sweat and tears.
I don't respect the AI robo perspective. They are wasting unrenewable marble resources. It's not fair machine vs. unrenewable stones.
If AI robo scuplt plastic or concrete, perhaps I don't mind. But marble? No.
@real_hello_kitty Better for that marble to become a robot sculpture than a kitchen counter.
@@JasonLarsen-t3v That is exactly my point. My house which was built in 2009 had a granite countertop. But more modern houses, that are built 2013 and newer, are no longer using granite or marble countertops, but the fake ones. Why? Because there are not enough marbles or granites. The demand is bigger than the supply.
The robo sculptor will accelerate fast extortion of nature resources (marbles).
@real_hello_kitty It's because of the price. Besides, nobody needs a marble counter top, it's a waste of marble.
Nothing can beat art being made by hand, no matter what new tech comes along. This is why we are called Artist.👨🏽🎨
The people justifying robots taking artist’s jobs, just went until the robots take your jobs… let’s see if you have the same “logic” & energy. Haha
Robots are merely a new tool in the artist's arsenal.
Like steroids for a baseball player.
@arcadiagreen150 or a metal chisel to an ape?
@jelsner5077 apes didnt invent metal chisels
@@jelsner5077 apes didnt invent chisels
Like commissioning someone else to do it
*There's pros and cons with everything, not just sculpting*
The artistry is in the idea like he said, but also in the execution and, In the bold move to use new technology, like famous artists of the past would have done!
If you went back in time to the ' masters' you would see that they were all using the most advanced technology of their day...
Tools and technology aren’t inherently bad.
Its only when individuals believe tools will replace the importance of great ideas
The first marble quarry (1785) in the USA was in the village of South Dorset, Vermont. You can hike up to it today, and has a lovely view of the valley.
If people can't see the intrinsic value in a human doing exhaustively hard work embodied in a beautiful sculpture then perhaps they best stick to boat shows instead of art galleries. It's not just how it looks that matters. Applying convenience and time saving to art is just gross
Exactly and the same can be said of wood work. The detailed wood work in old homes is inspiring. Having those details recreated by machines for a modern home would never have the same appeal.
It’s funny how all the non-artistic ppl here defend AI.
I cant see AI here.
As an artist myself, traditional too, I am used to this at this point. They promise us that the robots will replace the boring jobs and give us time to pursue a creative job, but instead the creative field got replaced by robots and the artists should get a boring job. Its a massive societal treason no one asked for. Playing such games with the collective soul, society will become even more mercantile. When people complain modern art is bad, maybe they deserve this version of it anyway. Meanwhile they want to sold my impressionistic oil paintings for as cheap as possible.
@@LyubomirIko Just another chapter in the book titled "Humans Figuring Out They Are Not That Special".
@@fastindy humans are indeed special, especially those who have gifts, cheering for their replacement as "nothing special" is psychopathic.
Michelangelo and DaVinci would have been fascinated and proud of what we are able to achieve now.
The technology? Yes, they would be proud.
Art is all in the eye of the beholder ! A CNC machine is Art !
5:06 that Iron Man sculpture from marble is insane and cool looking, if i was rich i definitely buy that lol
It's not even the satisfaction of doing it by hand... what is lost are the eureka moments that one has that were not a part of the initial design.
Hmm. When you remove the human element from the creation of art... you delete the purpose in making it. This is fine if you just want something nice to look at, but it NEEDS to be created by an actual person in order to have a soul attached to it. This counts for all of the art forms. I'm not against AI or machines, I totally get it- but I'd be loath to consider any of the things they do with that= Art. (as an aside, an interesting paradox, that the things that are usurping what is man's best qualities, are themselves, created by man)
Art is always evolving. This is not the end of hand crafted statues this is a new field. Like with photography vs. painting.
Michelangelo is still the GOAT 🐐
Facts! 💯
And will continue to be the greatest of all time since all these lazy wanna be “artist” downgrading themselves to let a robot do half the work.
What we admire about sculpture is the technical skill involved in creating it. The historic subject matter -- busts of famous people, etc. -- is pretty prosaic. Modern sculpture, like that at 10:55, is just a doodle in stone, something like what a bored high school student would draw in his/her notebook during a tedious class. If that doodle is translated to stone, who cares whether a machine or a team of humans did it? It's pointless: it's a doodle. People looking at it will admire the smoothness of the finish (or lack thereof) and the fluidity of the lines ... in other words, the technical aspects of its creation ... and say, "Very nice" and move on to the next manufactured piece. Better to use the marble for kitchen countertops.
"A feat not possible in Michelangelo's time"...but ALL of Earth knows that moundbuilder architecture is worldwide. Remember, children, stupid is an equal opportunity employer.🗝
"Only a human touch can coax the divine out of a stone" Michael Monfroni- Sculptor 💯🎯💯
Once it is made by a robot, it's not art anymore, it loses its value.
Fine art can never be replaced.
Pens replaced quills, paper replaced parchment, electric saws replaced manual saws, screws replaced nails and plugs, that's how it works.
Those tools are all operated by human skill, big difference.
“Pens replaced quills.”
Last time I checked, people were praising Shakespeare and the Brontë’s for their ideas, not their penmanship.
Writing and literature are not a visual medium. You read a book for the ideas, not the font.
False equivalency on your part.
@@loudwatersrunshallow Well I was searching for proof of advancement so I did dip ! Your tone suggest disaproval towards conflict ? Not here for that thanks. Good luck
Multi axis CNC programmer here. If you saw how involved it is to create a robust model for those sculptures and to generate toolpath that could reach all of those features it would be definitely be called ART. Even if you scan an existing sculpture it is no small task to get smooth and flowing toolpath. Also you can make multiple almost identical sculptures. That would be very unlikely doing it by hand.
No field is off limits. Embrace and adapt. That is progress. It is evolution.
Robots are replacing humans little by little. But it’s our own fault.
That's called progress my friend, eventually our goal should be to automate every job so that humans are no longer tools to be exploited.
@@NakedSageAstrology And then what? What do people do all day?
@golddmane
Why do we need to decide what people do all day? Perhaps this free Time will allow the humans to build healthy human relationships, bond with family and create non psychopathic humans for the future.
@@NakedSageAstrology The problem is that a life of excess pleasure and no responsibility quickly becomes meaningless. And now that it's clear that AI will be able to create art, people will feel completely unfulfilled.
Every precedent we have for people who do zero work throughout their life is negative. Depression is already skyrocketing because of the internet. Imagine what it'll be like when it not only feels like one's own life has no purpose, but that the entire purpose of humanity has been made obsolete by AI.
@golddmane
The need for purpose is nothing more than ego. Humans will learn to bond with their peers and raise healthy human families, free of the current stresses and turmoils. Humans will have to look within for fulfillment.
The Art of Cheating...😮
They think Michelangelo did all the rough cut himself and had no shop workers or apprentices?
So I guess you missed the part of the video where they mentioned that? And, many times Michelangelo did do EVERYTHING by himself...but regardless of who did the work-it was done by Humans.
Michelangelo almost certainly did the majority of the sculpture “David” by himself.
They are 60 minutes and pronounce his name Mikelangelo. They using an automated narrator.
I actually do think he did most of the work by himself. He was a little bit crazy.
Apprentices didn't do 99%, regardless it's all hand done.
The difference between the machine and the person is the amount of creation compared to the amount of the machine. When a person dies, all knowledge and experience dies with him, which makes his creations unique and also rare.
On the other hand, the machine will continue to exist, it is possible to produce many machines and reproduce all the creations.
This is honestly a great thing for art.
There are people who have been diving into 3D rendering for various fields. If someone has the capacity to make something beautiful in a digital format and they then have the option to produce and sell those works in stone, that's objectively good for artists.
I can imagine a day where this becomes so cheap that people can own one in their garage or basement.
I don't see anybody complaining about CNC machines or 3D printers, or going back a few decades: the power drill.
fun fact the greatest minds and creators wouldve love science and robotics
don't despair -- there's room for everyone! Cheers!
Not in "Hand made art."
@@leonardodalongisland I disagree! Creativity is infinite! Art generated by Robo will be plentiful, replaceable, and inexpensive; and art generated by humans will be rare, cherished, and expensive. Room for everyone, no?
Resources are finite
@@cosmiclettuce Yep, "art" made by robots will be nothing more than cheap knock offs.
Let art evolve.
Fine arts not the only art.
Awesome stuff! Michelangelo would have wanted one of these machines, for sure!
Sculptures created by humans are far more valuable and intriguing than anything a programmed robot can make.
At the end of the day, it might be carved by a robot, but a human being still made the sculpture, just on a computer rather than using a clay model. As an artist, computer based sculpting is really nice compared to fiddling with oil clay. No mess, no doubt as to proportions, and you can undo something in the click of a button, where that might have been next to impossible with the clay model. My artistic vision is still the same, whether I express it through a computer or a clay model. It's just a new set of tools to work with.
@@sirmontag That is exactly what makes it valuable. Any idiot can make stuff using a computer. Using your hands, manipulating real life objects, takes skill and talent to do correctly.
@@bluemamba5317 "Any idiot can make stuff using a computer" I am not sure you are familiar with what it takes to become a proficient digital sculpture / 3d artist. it is years of practice just like for traditional work.
@@bluemamba5317 - Believe it or not, sculpting on a computer takes a great deal of expertise if you don't want something that looks like crud. It's the same set of skills, just in a different format. A foolish workman complains about the tools, what matters is the end result.
If Michelangelo was around today, he'd take to digital sculpting like a duck to water.
Not really.
The funny thing about capitalism is that even though they are producing 10 times more products at an incredible rate, their prices have not gone down.
This is still art, the robot is just a new tool
exactly!
@johnosam4681
This is about business pure and simple.
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@johnosam4681
No, this is business.
Art is done by humans expressing their talents using their history, their fragility, their time, their dedication, years of developing craftsmanship. This is soulless and done only to make money quickly.
Great! I’d love to see more statues everywhere.
and real architecture!
This video has an excellent ending. Excellet writing. And a fantastic subject piece.
Do not worry, this is art and science merging ❤🎉
🤝
No this is just business...
Not sure Michaleangelo would use a robit, he did use workers to do do a lot of the work for him.
Then there is no difference between lower level workers and the robots. They help the master in his works!
Cool hobby for "someone".
Just make sure it is authenticated on the plaque description. No cheaters.
They will always be a place for the actual thing. It’s just that you’ll see more sculptures and regular buildings and stuff like that in the architecture. Like once upon a time, but that have been removed because the cost of sculpture is so expensive. So you’ll see more sculpture and regular every day buildings but the real thing will still show very great value.robots are robots. Nobody really cares if a robots making a sculpture but seeing the abilities of a human being to do that is still shockingly impressive
I am a Master Woodcarver. When I started doing competitions I would get Best of Show every time I entered and the old guard would say they will never use power tools in their carvings, but they wouldn't get best of shows either. Since the "Old Guard" were on the board of directors, they changed the rules so I couldn't compete anymore. BS! They use their chisels and files on wood cut down by $300,000 timber harvesters and say they are "all traditional" in their work. I've made a career out of my art and jobs for other people too using any tool I can get my hand on. (Wooden Alchemy)
I see a comment sections full of geeks and non artistic wanna be artist talking about what Michelangelo would think. As an artist do a search on Michelangelo drawings, geekoids saying "Michelangelo" would love robo geek is like saying Beethoven would "Love" techno....I guess time and $$$ is more important than the soul in the evolution of greed and couch potatoes...
Most people choose to cope with their head in the sand. But sooner or later the sand will be blown away, and they will see that nothing remains.
It’s natural for humans to fear change.
That's the ultimate insult, isn't it? "You don't like the idea of something, therefore you are fearful of it."
Speaking as an artist, I'm thinking this is pretty cool. The robots justvtake out the hardest part of the labor
There's no threat to the art form. Using tech to make statues is nothing new. There's always been an appreciation for knowing a person toiled over something for hours. That's what machines will never replace despite being more capable than humans for decades.
The amount of talent and skill that Michelangelo possessed boggles the mind! Having robots sculpt marble doesn’t boggle anything except to create counterfeit sculptures!
Robo work is not art.
how do you think the 3d model was sculpted?
People worry too much
I was afraid you were going to say that!
Making the most of the human’s time on actual sculpting of all the visible parts. Good innovation.
"The business is changing" ...there it is, the words in passing that give the game away.
Yes!!! Exactly! Monfroni gets it. "Sculpting is passion, robots are business." You lose the satisfaction of making something by hand. "Sacrilege... Wonder what Monfroni thinks of that Banana taped to a wall selling for 1 million in a Miami gallery...I say also...sacrilege. Art is an extension of oneself, ones feelings and ideas. But thought alone is not sufficient. You have to execute an idea with enough skill or precision for people to look at it and say, wow, you did this yourself. I feel your message or your struggle to bring this into being. This came from you? This came from a human's hands? It isnt just the the act of thinking it is the act of doing. You lose that when you remove the human doing aspect of it. Should a ceramic mug made in a factory by machines be revered with the same sense of awe as a work of Michelangelo? We have plastic and mold injectors and engravers, shouls every trinket made by them be "art" There is definitey a trade off here. I get that it can enhance and allow for accessibility for those with physical limitations but for those with no physical limitations, in my view it cheapens the the final outcome. To me it goes from art-piece to "product." It reminds me of the title of one of Magritte's paintings "Not to be reproduced." That is the point...no? It will be harder to say genuine-one-of-a-kind when you can mass produce something. The final touches by the human would have to be so unique and significant that it deters from viewing the sculpture as anything less than something manufactured by a machine. If we really get down to the knitty gritty..Is it the artist who is created a work of art or is it the engineer who created the machine who is the actual artist. The engineer concieved of a machine, prototyped it, executed their idea, then deployed that machine to create things. The artist is the user-interface of an engineer's creation. So. Who's art is it?
To add. Saying something is your creation whe the machine did more than 50% of the work is self-deceptive. It is dishonest. If I say I climbed Mt. Everest during the summer and your reply is wow...What a feat. And then later I clarify that it was by helicopter. It completely alters your view of the outcome. Why? Because it is about the journey from starting point to end point. The strain, the decision process, the personal journey from start to finish is inextricable from a real work of art. The machine does not experience the human limitation physically nor psychologically. Maybe they need a new branding or term for this evolution in the creative world.. i.e. call it Tech-Enhanced-Art for art that 50% machine assisted. And leave the term of "Art" to be humancentric without asssistance of machine?
Don't even get me started on the sustainability side of the ease of mass producing these marble scultptures.