A description of the proof of concept one showing how a vapor carburetor can drastically improve both carbon emission while increasing miles per gallon!
Aha! Not the video I was hunting for, but this is even better! My dad told me about some of the old high-efficiency engine ideas and alternative fuel ideas from when he was in his prime (he was born in 1927). I didn't realize Pogue's carburetor was actually marketed, though! I would like very much to experiment with this idea, once I get a home that has a work shop and garage area!
I did this to my Riding lawnmower, I did the valve to adjust the air ratio too and it ran fantastic until the fuel got cold. I too shut my garage door. I couldn't believe how clean the spark plug was after an hour of running it. No doubt the motor oil would stay clean oil change to oil change. It's that clean. Did it 10 years ago but never came up with a decent fuel heater and you need to move the Timing a bit to prevent a backfire through the carburetor but the magneto is mounted not meant to change it. I built a backflash valve to stop it from traveling to the fuel. This lawnmower normally backfired occasionally when you'd turn it off, that's the only time it did backfire. Great video! You inspired me.
About 8 years ago I came up with a VERY similar vapor setup. The only difference is I added exhaust recirculation to lower combustion temperatures and to slow the flame front. This stopped the backfires. I made a video of this setup on my lawn mower. It not only decreased fuel consumption but it also allowed much longer oil change intervals. This mower was ran for 6 years without changing the oil!!
In the 1920's - 1930's I can assume that Pogue's work had caused some competition problems, because of his miraculous work it would seem that what $00.05 of gasoline would last you 500 miles per gallon. Hell, inventors that created different fuel systems that run on hydrogen oxygen (basically water with the electrolysis process) got arrested and sent to jail because of the fuel system being so environmentally friendly. And now that I think about it, mixing hydrogen + oxygen + gasoline vapor and your engine will run smoothly because by the time the oxygen and hydrogen are ignited, the two will combine into water again and create steam which will also in turn give you a small increase in torque. Not to mention that it will clean your engine.
Congratulations you built a beautiful truck! If you make an evaporater using exhaust gasses you eliminate the backfire problems altogether. Simply because it is oxygen deplete. On any car the exhaust is mostly water in vapor form that is why an o2 sensor works. Good job!!
luv the truck and Your concerns for the future generations, my husband just tried something like this on the lawn mower, runs great until the fuel in the chamber gets very cold, workin on it, U R a wonderful human being ,I wish our "leaders" were like You,
Hi Fred, Very good video! Thank you!! I heard and read about Nelson Pogue many many years ago now, likely because I have been fascinated by clean energy for ever... actually since I was about 10 years old... simple reason being that I got my first car back then and being a kid I had very little money to buy gas for my car to drive it in our backyard... so I got interested in fuel economy... and this has never left me since... Now I am 60 years old and still fascinated by clean engines and I believe Pogue really found the solution but was sidetracked by big oil... which they did mainly by adding lead - and possibly other - products to the fuel which in turn contaminated his carburetor and made it to clog up/fail... although it was said that the Pogue carburetor was used in large numbers again by the US during WW2 in North Africa against Rommel and the Africa Corps, out of necessity and because of the long supply lines; but the wartime fuel was then again also free of any additives... The fact remains, the Pogue principle is still valid today: heat the gas to full evaporation, then you will get full and clean burn and maximum efficiency!! I have found a new way to heat the gas to full evaporation using modern technology, which allows for a significantly smaller setup and meticulous dosing and can also be implemented on some Diesel engines with great success and enormous gains! Will be testing further on a small power generator and then implementing on a modern V8... Always happy to hear from you Fred! Jake
I would be curious to see what you come up with. I used to pull vapors from my fuel tank through a little heat exchanger that was 12 volt heated until the engine was warm and then switched to hot engine coolant.I was able to gain a 13% mpg increase, I have since gone step farther and have a total of 50% increase by adding another process, but I will keep that a secreat for now. All of this is done on a 1995 Cherokee 4.0l.
Jeksdad5 How has it been going for you in the last four months? As a 65 year old sales retiree with a 1997 Jeep GC 4.0, id love to see an invention that increases fuel efficiency by 50%. I wish you great success.
Frederick Ropp, I was just talking to someone about this. It was in the early 80's when I saw the schematics for a carburetor that did just as you are trying to do. It had two butterfly, one lower and one higher and when the vehicle was first started it started with raw gas, as it warmed up the gas was vaporized by the heat in the tubing and the car would run on vapor, that is where the second butterfly in the carburetor came in. The carburetor was taller than usual because it had tubing winding through it for both the gas and the hot water from the cooling system. I wanted to get a copy of that schematic but when I mentioned getting a chance to get a closer look the owner of it took it away and would not let me look at it closer. If I were a mechanic I might have tried to make one back then but I am not though the schematics stayed in my mind all this time. My understanding is those papers were illegal for them to have and they didn't want to get in trouble if they had been caught with them. Anyway, it was a neater setup but the same principle. They were bought up by an oil company and shelved, probably the same happened with the carburetor you saw in the magazine.
Hello Mr Ropp, I really enjoyed watching YOUR video, I only just heard of this Pogue Carb a few hours ago, and the person told Me to search for Your video and I am very excited to learn new things.
Hhaha! That's soooo cool. I will try it! The GREEN NEW DEAL was silly, but I'm a dreamer and innovation should be encouraged by wonderful people like Frederick Ropp. This was the best video I have found so far on the topic.
Hey Fred. Your fuel tank isn't sealed. The fumes are leaking through the air filter that is on the tank. You may want to think about removing the air filter that's on the tank, make an upside down U shaped pipe and install a one way valve on it (then of course adapt an air filter to that). Note for others: The pipes have to be upside down to work; they cannot come straight up out of the mini fuel tank. If the one way valve is not placed the correct way, it will just always be open. A one way valve could also be placed in the main piping in order to prevent backfires from reaching the vapors in the fuel tank.
Hi. Excellent video! I congratulate you for your contribution and show us a way not to pollute the environment. Could you make a video where you measure the miles per gallon your pickup does on the road? Again I congratulate you for sharing your experience and knowledge with all of us. Greetings from Costa Rica.
I'm Shannon oh, I'm his daughter. unfortunately he is now in a nursing home with Alzheimer's but he would be very excited about your interest in the video and I appreciate it so much!
Fred I live in Winnipeg where Mr.Pogue ..also lived..I tried to make contact with him in 1985 when he was in a nursing home but never got the chance..fun fact is they used his Carb during WW2..on American Tanks in Europe..to extend their range.. after the war all the carbs were removed before shipping the tanks back to the US..I think they were attempting to hide his work..p.s.You can find a snapshot of Don Garlits..holding one on the internet.. and like all great inventions they are hidden away ..keep doing what your doing and good luck..thanks for sharing the video
Aviation rumors: people say that running lean at first gives more Exhaust gas heat temp, but if you keep on leaning it further it actually runs cooler & no CO, (from pilot experiences when low on fuel). I think you are on the right track, keep working it, you could use an older fashion 'vacuum" solenoid tapped with a T fitting into to any vacuum line to run the solenoid (not for fumes) to actuate a valve that makes it Richer when starting out (less vacuum), and make it run leaner when at normal vacuum conditions (up to speed) . REMEM the old vacuum operated windshield wipers, they would quit working on hills unless you let off the gas because of less vaccum. So its a research to find the happy compromise where when engine is under more load (like hills or starting out, it makes it richer, and vice versa). At higher speeds over 60 it may also have less vacuum so that would need some additional adjustment or a "shut off" condition based on speed? FYI: I use the vacuum solenoid all the time for years now on my older minivan to cut off the AC on engine loaded (starting out or up hills), and it really does seem to save me mpg (yes I have manual over ride switch for situations where I prefer to lose the mpg at first, for increased AC like when car sits in sun too long and at first its heat soaked.
Oil companies ignored this clean use of gas technology since it did not serve its purposes ($$$). Thanks for re-resurecting it for the public. It can still make an impact in our environment and pockets.
Beautiful truck, Allow me to help you. Make a stainless sealed both ends pipe about 2" around and as long as possible that you can mount beside exhaust as close to header as possible. Drill hole in one end of pipe to allow mounting of a fuel injector. Drill another hole about 1/2" in diameter and thread it next to injector and attach metal pipe to breather. Wire the injector to a 555 timer circuit at fry's electronics, it's ok if you run a 7 psi pump. Remove the time on control and wire an external volume control that you will mount on throttle. Now then set time off on timer for a good idle with time on set at mid point. The throttle will increase the time on when you accelerate. Pogues carb was quite elaborate and I have an idea that it worked with 100 octane fuel,because oil company changed formula to stop it. This idea will turn all liquid into gas even if they use water. Plus you will not be storing a liquid under hood. As soon as the fuel transforms it will be sucked in by expansion. DO NOT drill a hole in stainless to let air in, Bad idea. We want everything to be sealed and contained in the pipe. To feed the injector just splice the fuel line and be sure to run metal line as close as possible to injector. CAUTION: You or anyone reading this CAN NOT hold me responsible for any information I give here. If you do this and it blows up in your face you did it wrong and I will not attend your funeral. Good Luck. Hope you are still at it
The first dry vapor carburetor ever publicized was released in 1932, although it is thought that it was first experimented with back in the 1890's some time.
@@alext9067 Its not rocket science, its a case of too many weak willed humans unwilling to use their brains and look back into history and reach beyond the pre-planned-neo-canned technobabble garbage and think for themselves. We are lied to so much and told over and over that we are so much better off than our ancestors when now we are in debt like no other generation in the history of the earth, we live in a grimy filthy sooty mess of dioxins, we have to slave just for the money to drive to our slave master's grist mills, all because we lack the wit and the will to step out of the mindset of slavery and stop running their rat mazes. People with WAY more money than I have rely on the fast easy cheap DIRTY convenience of liquefied petroleum instead of even doing so much as vaporizing it, let alone using methanol ['wood gas' (the pyrolitic decomposition of organic matter)] or bio-gas [methane from the microbial composting/decomposition of organic matter] which occur freely and naturally everywhere. You can literally make fuel from your lawn, your household garbage, your garden trimmings, your personal waste products, and yes, even old computer and appliance parts (the plastic parts), any and all of which can be carefully mixed, matched, or separated to virtually any mixture ratio people desire. If it has carbon in it, [and believe it or not, even sand!] you can make viable engine fuel from it. In Sonoma, California, at the Sonoma County Sanitary Station [can be found on any map and visited free of charge] they have large diesel generators which run round the clock on a naturally occurring product of the biological degradation of used household trash and producing megawatts of power. Not 'diesel fuel' even! A mixture of methane, silane, ethane, ethanol, methanol, acetone, carbon monoxide and hydrogen sulfide, along with other trace gases. I had a discussion about mining the trash dump for a more efficient manner of generating power from it but they are so proud of their system they won't give it up until it is exhausted, and it honestly looks even if they stopped adding to the landfill today, like they will be producing fuel there for the next three thousand years. So there ya go. Trash that nobunny wants to ever see again is silently working to produce power for future generations just below the surface of the ground, no gasoline or diesel fuel whatsoever. Why do i bring this up? Because even if you lack the land, machinists skills and tooling [let alone local permits!] to make your own bio fuel synthesis plant, SURELY you can rig up a simple BOX to vaporize common gasoline into a dry vapor! ~( 'w')/
I heard and read about this type of fuelling sometime ago. Thanks for yur video and being brave enough to have a go. It does make you wonder if a 1950s car can get 200mpg, what could be achieved with a modern 1.6 or 2.0Ltr engine....I expect 300 plus mpg.
How i learned about this was when my dad told me cars did better in fog I wondered what if you put water vapor into the engine i felt it was wastefull why wouldnt you just vaprorize gas using an ultrasonic transducer then I thought about the term "shese running on fumes and I found out this has been in the works
i ve done similar project last year.managed to get from 50mpg to 78mpg on my citroen saxo 1.1 but engine didnt have power.wasnt convinced that increase of mpg was justifiable for loss of engine power. amount of effort time and money spent for that project made me to call it a day.it was good time and i enjoyed it tho.
A Model A Ford with an updraft carb runs super clean if tuned correctly. I had an Oliver Crawler with an updraft carb and a A motor. Difficult to start ran rough till hot and from batch to batch of gasoline required adjustment.Then each batch of gas had different consumption rates. The Auto makers stopped using the up draft because it was a nuisance. Some Gasolines had no light hydrocarbons to speak of so the engine would not start without starting fluid. Decades ago Smokey Unick had his vapor engine with a turbo and super heated the gasoline into a perfect vapor at 400F with sucess .Huge improvement in fule consumption. Bad Emissions- NOX was a problem. For now we are stuck with OBD2 and downfraft carbs.
I love what you've done, I was first interested in this about a couple of years ago, and I tried to get, well let's just say I think I told everybody I know about it , and you know what , Not one single person would get with me on the deal. I still haven't lost my interest in it and seeing what you've doneimgoing to do the same myself. Even if by myself. Alot of those people that I know dont believe that it can work, and the rest of them say its things like this that will get you killed. They say our "Government doesn't want us to be able to do this", they make more money keeping it dirty. You said yourself that this technology / idea has been around since 1920's. And you and I know for a fact that it can be done, So why haven't they done it?, Because it's all a money scheme scam. You try a make a pogue carb and put it on the market, only to take over the whole automotive industry worldwide they'll kill you. They dont want free energy, cars that get 200mpg, theywant the exact opposite. What do you think. I'm on your side I'm all for it I think it's the greatest. Tom Boswell.
Quick note, use a small steel grid to roll up your carbon felt to put in a gravity fed canister with float to then go up a tube to a t joint to made to work like a carburetor. The larger the top of the pipe of the pipe t and the smaller the bottom the leaner the fuel air mix. Air moving around the wick make a vapor.
The oil companies do not want this on the market because they like money not the environment! There was a guy back in the 70’s who did this and was promptly paid off and that was the end of it, never to be seen again. I might try this but being so dangerous I best work out the bugs on a lawnmower first! Great job perhaps you could post your diagram with a huge disclaimer if someone blows themselves up! Thanks Bro you might just make a difference in this world!
Frederick- Wonderful set of videos ! I noticed, while navigating your site, that you look at the same sites that I do ! Not to mention zero point energy. I was curious what the normal operating temperature of your truck is? I saw that you live in Cactus country, and wondered whether the warm weather caused any design problems for you.
Vapor Carbs like the Pogue Catb or the Oyster Carb don't work anymore because the fuel companies added Resins to the fuel specifically to defeat such carbs. Bubbler systems work because they simply draw the vapors off from the surface of the gasoline (leaving the Resins behind in the bubbler tank).
You are right on and vaporizing gasoline is actually cracking it and the heavy-ends end up in the bottom of the vapor canister. The refining process on gasoline has 7 compounds in the gasoline and some of the compounds will not completely vaporize until over 300 deg. F. Gasoline is a poor fuel to vaporize if you want a better fuel for this use White gasoline (lantern fuel) which is a pure form of gasoline. The question arises, do all of the high mileage carburetion systems really work, yes. The Coleman stoves and lanterns proves that a vapor fuel system will work just don't use regular gasoline, it will destroy the Coleman Generator. The heavy-ends of the gasoline clogs the vapor panels in the Generator.
Thank you for your video and watch out for the men in black that turn up to dissuade you from manufacturing this for the public. The reason your pipes have so much carbon from burning liquid gasoline is that in the process of internal combustion motor produces 6-7 gallons of water and literally drags the incombustibles out the exhaust hence giving us poor efficiency. The over fueling is by design to keep your exhaust valves cool. I run my car on water from an electrolyzer in my shop only; great fun too. Check out Water for fuel, Stanley Meyers-----Thanks David
Your flame arrestor is a great idea sometimes with the HOH thing to use a balloon so there is an explosion to bloom blows up and that doesn't blow up the stuff Beyond it
I've been familiar with this for a long time but carburetor cars are rare today. I'm working on something similar for EFI. Have a couple details to work through yet but I think I have it mostly figured out.
How long have you used this system, how long does it run for? I hooked a more simpler version in my 01 ford truck and only got it to run for about 5 minutes then I won't combust anymore. Going to try and hope and hook this up in my 74 f350
if you heat up the fuel ,it will expand considerably and go further yet... I am looking into white vapor which is basically what you have but you have a heating element much like a vape cigarette . but instead of oil it's gas.
Do you still have this magazine? I can’t seem to find a copy in the internet. Would be wonderful if you could upload scans of pages 9-17 that include the article on the Pogue Carburetor. Happy to help if you have questions, great video!
Well it does work.Pontiac engineers developed a Fiero with that system around 1984 i think.Unfortunately pontic officials ordered that all the cars had to be destroyed and abandoned the project.As far as i know the cars were running
Good day to everyone out there. My name is Shannon and this is my Father Fred in this video. my father is now in a nursing home with Alzheimer's. I am so excited to see all the views and kind comments and I want to thank all of you. I'll be visiting him soon and we will be sure to tell him about all the views. He'll be extremely excited! Love and Good Vibes to all of you!!! He would wish you all gratitude, compassion and kindness. His favorite 3 things.
Actually Thes after thinking about it and speaking with an old friend, you can do as I did! Google "CARS" and "Mystery of the 200 miles per gallon Pogue carburetor" That should get you to the exact area... :) Ole Fred
I would be curious to see what you come up with. I pull vapors from my fuel tank through a little heat exchanger that is 12 volt heated until the engine is warm and then switched to hot engine coolant.I was able to gain a 13% mpg increase and burn clean. I have since gone step farther and have a total of 50% increase by adding another process, but I will keep that a secret for now. All of this is done on a 1995 Cherokee 4.0l. What are your latest thoughts?
My name is Shannon and I am Fred's daughter. Unfortunately my father is now in a nursing home with Alzheimer's so I'm afraid he won't be able to answer your question but we appreciate your comment! I hope you figured out the problem :-)
I love what you're doing and appreciate you sharing it with us. BUT, please lose the loud music as it is VERY distracting from getting the full affect of your message. Thanks for sharing :)
I tried running a 1966 Chev on gas vapor many years ago. I could get it to run ok, but no noticeable improvement in the fuel consumption! What are you getting for gas mileage now that you have had 4 more years to experiment on your vapor carb setup? Thanks for now, and when you are finished for the day a Powered Parachute is a good way to go up and relax!!!
Wow great video look like it works but in that cold start u should use HH0 I think is the water fuel that uses metal in a water to make hydrogen I think if u do both in one engine u should be able to make extreme mileage in a gallon of gas bec both are vapors.
You sir, are original. I have seen many many setups but the heat circulating through the copper tubing is a very nice idea. Your setup is somewhat same in theory to some I have seen, yet I have not seen one like this. Have you tried an ultrasonic transducer? If you decide to do so be sure to take off the sensor, plug the holes with a conductive metal and seal. Otherwise the petrol will destroy the ultrasonic transducer pretty quick. Great work, and the 1950s 200 mpg car is an amazing story! Sadly its oil companies that stand to lose money, and yes they collude with auto manufacturers. This is now 2018, in my humble opinion 400-1000 mpg on gasoline with today's technology is conceivable. People seem to like the electric route, but this creates more problems than gasoline and would further dampen an economy. Like you said, this invention will create an economy so strong because everyone could travel to and fro, which leads to more money in everyones pockets that would be spent on just about everything imaginable as well as open doors to new ideas.
GM, Ford, Exxon holding all the patents, to hit once and forever all the german, asian cars, it d be just pile of unneeded parts on the sides of the roads...
I am looking into automotive engineering and this concept is extremely interesting to me, I am baffled nobody has designed a proper and safe version of this with good tunability, most people call me paranoid and a conspiracy theorists but I think It hasn't become mainstream because of big oil companies, if this gets into our everyday cars they will cry "It's too dangerous" and try to get people to buy their more inefficient systems and keep their demand for oil up, otherwise the product they have is basically worthless.
@@2menandabike314 the thing is wouldn’t it require less fuel because instead of it plowing in particulates and only burning 70% of the fuel it would be way better atomized and burn closer to 100%?
@@djmystery7235 If it only burns 70% of the fuel, where goes the other 30%? It magically disappears? Or does your car leave a trail of unburned fuel as you drive along? It just doesn't work... And if you don't believe me, check this out... ua-cam.com/video/IuGWHfWqWtg/v-deo.html 2-3% ffuel savings isn't very impressive, far of the 50%-claims...
Hi there , fascinated with your project but I was curious as whether the combustion chamber temperature rises greatly by removing the carburetted system and replacing it with vapour thus causing the valves to burn?
something I commented onI might have a cxouple of suggestions that will improve your setup. My brother and his friend made a headgasket with four sets of platinum points equally mounted around the cylinder. It was layered in between the gasket material like a circuit board. So instead of firing from the spark plug it fired from each set of points. The platinum points had no place to hold any carbon build up so would not foul out like a spark plug. and firing the gas mixture with four sets of spark burned the fuel vapor quicker and more completely.(old airplanes had two sparkplugs per cylinder) Giving an increase of power with less fuel consumtion and less emissions. My idea to add to this is to reduce fuel droplet size thus increasing surface area of the fuel by using an ultrasonic mister which instantly vaporizes a drop of liquid to a finer mist than a carburator is capable of. This should also increase power while decreasing consumption andEmmisions. The reason you do not see this gasket method of spark on the market now is a sparkplug company bought their patent. Their was a drawback to the design they had not worked out at the time and that was that the gasket was thicker and you had to torque it down just right or it would blow the gasket. But this was 40 years ago and we have much better materials to work with now. I really hope you read this or anyone else . It could be an easy add on for cars well worth the cost for the increased economy and decrease of emmisions. Hopefully give a little more time for the transition to the totally electric cars that are coming. Jake The Snake Was interested in the gasket for his race cars as it would have been a huge advantage. So if you need an investor you might want to try him. It also goes to show how money trumps humanityand that big corporations (Firestone) are more concerned with the bottom line than reducing polution to save mankind. We really need to institute a crimes against humanity law for people like that and Big Pharma who suppress or overprice discoveries that benefit life.. Please send a comment should you read this. I like to think I am at least trying yo help.
You are absolutely right, those are some great ideas. As long as we have greedy and evil satanic people in this world who are corrupt, nothing will change because we are constantly being manipulated and lied too, about the truth of our world.
Hi Fred! Love your work! I’m in the process of introducing a system like this to a fuel injected V8 5.2L engine. The ONE thing keeping me from making progress is Related to ‘too lean of mixtures’ which is inherent in the Vaporizing process. Have you dealt with this issue? Valve clattering issues? Overheating issues?
I'm pretty sure this only works with carbureted engines. The idea is to mix the fuel with the air so long before it's in the cylinder that there no liquid left.
My cousin did something similar to a 57 Chevy in the 60s filed a patent and the government came in a seized everything he had. It's the government that keeps this technology undeveloped it's like you said been in print some the 50s.
Imagine if actual automotive engineers focused on perfecting this method instead of trying to sweep it under the rug
Dude they even throttle the internet when you try to search this stuff up.
@@DARKthenoble that’s true you can’t do shit anymore
@@johnsmith2179 when try to even look for any aftermarket car parts these days. You run into the same problem
Well said !
If they focused on gas millage then oil companies will make no money
Aha! Not the video I was hunting for, but this is even better! My dad told me about some of the old high-efficiency engine ideas and alternative fuel ideas from when he was in his prime (he was born in 1927). I didn't realize Pogue's carburetor was actually marketed, though! I would like very much to experiment with this idea, once I get a home that has a work shop and garage area!
Yes i know a few slipped out and werent suppose to. People couldnt keep their mouths quiet, so they are gone.
Good work, Fred. Great to see people taking an interest in undoing the sabotage.
I did this to my Riding lawnmower, I did the valve to adjust the air ratio too and it ran fantastic until the fuel got cold. I too shut my garage door. I couldn't believe how clean the spark plug was after an hour of running it. No doubt the motor oil would stay clean oil change to oil change. It's that clean. Did it 10 years ago but never came up with a decent fuel heater and you need to move the Timing a bit to prevent a backfire through the carburetor but the magneto is mounted not meant to change it. I built a backflash valve to stop it from traveling to the fuel. This lawnmower normally backfired occasionally when you'd turn it off, that's the only time it did backfire.
Great video! You inspired me.
About 8 years ago I came up with a VERY similar vapor setup. The only difference is I added exhaust recirculation to lower combustion temperatures and to slow the flame front. This stopped the backfires. I made a video of this setup on my lawn mower. It not only decreased fuel consumption but it also allowed much longer oil change intervals. This mower was ran for 6 years without changing the oil!!
one of the best video's I watched about a vapor carburetor Thank you !!!
In the 1920's - 1930's I can assume that Pogue's work had caused some competition problems, because of his miraculous work it would seem that what $00.05 of gasoline would last you 500 miles per gallon. Hell, inventors that created different fuel systems that run on hydrogen oxygen (basically water with the electrolysis process) got arrested and sent to jail because of the fuel system being so environmentally friendly. And now that I think about it, mixing hydrogen + oxygen + gasoline vapor and your engine will run smoothly because by the time the oxygen and hydrogen are ignited, the two will combine into water again and create steam which will also in turn give you a small increase in torque. Not to mention that it will clean your engine.
I wish my late grandfather had UA-cam. He would have loved this kind of stuff.
Congratulations you built a beautiful truck! If you make an evaporater using exhaust gasses you eliminate the backfire problems altogether. Simply because it is oxygen deplete. On any car the exhaust is mostly water in vapor form that is why an o2 sensor works. Good job!!
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luv the truck and Your concerns for the future generations, my husband just tried something like this on the lawn mower, runs great until the fuel in the chamber gets very cold, workin on it, U R a wonderful human being ,I wish our "leaders" were like You,
Hi Fred,
Very good video! Thank you!!
I heard and read about Nelson Pogue many many years ago now, likely because I have been fascinated by clean energy for ever... actually since I was about 10 years old... simple reason being that I got my first car back then and being a kid I had very little money to buy gas for my car to drive it in our backyard... so I got interested in fuel economy... and this has never left me since...
Now I am 60 years old and still fascinated by clean engines and I believe Pogue really found the solution but was sidetracked by big oil... which they did mainly by adding lead - and possibly other - products to the fuel which in turn contaminated his carburetor and made it to clog up/fail... although it was said that the Pogue carburetor was used in large numbers again by the US during WW2 in North Africa against Rommel and the Africa Corps, out of necessity and because of the long supply lines; but the wartime fuel was then again also free of any additives...
The fact remains, the Pogue principle is still valid today: heat the gas to full evaporation, then you will get full and clean burn and maximum efficiency!!
I have found a new way to heat the gas to full evaporation using modern technology, which allows for a significantly smaller setup and meticulous dosing and can also be implemented on some Diesel engines with great success and enormous gains!
Will be testing further on a small power generator and then implementing on a modern V8...
Always happy to hear from you Fred!
Jake
I would be curious to see what you come up with. I used to pull vapors from my fuel tank through a little heat exchanger that was 12 volt heated until the engine was warm and then switched to hot engine coolant.I was able to gain a 13% mpg increase, I have since gone step farther and have a total of 50% increase by adding another process, but I will keep that a secreat for now. All of this is done on a 1995 Cherokee 4.0l.
Jeksdad5 How has it been going for you in the last four months? As a 65 year old sales retiree with a 1997 Jeep GC 4.0, id love to see an invention that increases fuel efficiency by 50%. I wish you great success.
I there, read your comment and was wondering how you went, if you had success with your tinkering👍
Frederick Ropp, I was just talking to someone about this. It was in the early 80's when I saw the schematics for a carburetor that did just as you are trying to do. It had two butterfly, one lower and one higher and when the vehicle was first started it started with raw gas, as it warmed up the gas was vaporized by the heat in the tubing and the car would run on vapor, that is where the second butterfly in the carburetor came in. The carburetor was taller than usual because it had tubing winding through it for both the gas and the hot water from the cooling system. I wanted to get a copy of that schematic but when I mentioned getting a chance to get a closer look the owner of it took it away and would not let me look at it closer. If I were a mechanic I might have tried to make one back then but I am not though the schematics stayed in my mind all this time. My understanding is those papers were illegal for them to have and they didn't want to get in trouble if they had been caught with them. Anyway, it was a neater setup but the same principle. They were bought up by an oil company and shelved, probably the same happened with the carburetor you saw in the magazine.
ua-cam.com/video/CCgFn_tGkBc/v-deo.html
This might be the one.
You are on the right track, keep on working it. Give us the 70mph improvement in gas mpg. thanks.
Hello Mr Ropp, I really enjoyed watching YOUR video, I only just heard of this Pogue Carb a few hours ago, and the person told Me to search for Your video and I am very excited to learn new things.
Thanks for your video Mr. awesome work. keep it up!
Hhaha! That's soooo cool. I will try it! The GREEN NEW DEAL was silly, but I'm a dreamer and innovation should be encouraged by wonderful people like Frederick Ropp. This was the best video I have found so far on the topic.
You have very beautiful pickup Sir. Thank you for a video
Thanks Lead. You too can have one. Work hard and lelp those around you...
very nice. I think this damages the valves.. I am gonna try it !
God Bless you Fred ! ! Thank you ! !
Hey Fred. Your fuel tank isn't sealed. The fumes are leaking through the air filter that is on the tank. You may want to think about removing the air filter that's on the tank, make an upside down U shaped pipe and install a one way valve on it (then of course adapt an air filter to that). Note for others: The pipes have to be upside down to work; they cannot come straight up out of the mini fuel tank. If the one way valve is not placed the correct way, it will just always be open.
A one way valve could also be placed in the main piping in order to prevent backfires from reaching the vapors in the fuel tank.
THANK YOU MR ROPP FOR ALL YOUR HELP. Stay your own coarse and please ignore square minded commenters.
Hi. Excellent video! I congratulate you for your contribution and show us a way not to pollute the environment. Could you make a video where you measure the miles per gallon your pickup does on the road? Again I congratulate you for sharing your experience and knowledge with all of us. Greetings from Costa Rica.
I'm Shannon oh, I'm his daughter. unfortunately he is now in a nursing home with Alzheimer's but he would be very excited about your interest in the video and I appreciate it so much!
It 's really great, please please explain it to the Motor Engineer and its efficiency with great thanks to you
Fred I live in Winnipeg where Mr.Pogue ..also lived..I tried to make contact with him in 1985 when he was in a nursing home but never got the chance..fun fact is they used his Carb during WW2..on American Tanks in Europe..to extend their range.. after the war all the carbs were removed before shipping the tanks back to the US..I think they were attempting to hide his work..p.s.You can find a snapshot of Don Garlits..holding one on the internet.. and like all great inventions they are hidden away ..keep doing what your doing and good luck..thanks for sharing the video
Aviation rumors: people say that running lean at first gives more Exhaust gas heat temp, but if you keep on leaning it further it actually runs cooler & no CO, (from pilot experiences when low on fuel). I think you are on the right track, keep working it, you could use an older fashion 'vacuum" solenoid tapped with a T fitting into to any vacuum line to run the solenoid (not for fumes) to actuate a valve that makes it Richer when starting out (less vacuum), and make it run leaner when at normal vacuum conditions (up to speed) . REMEM the old vacuum operated windshield wipers, they would quit working on hills unless you let off the gas because of less vaccum. So its a research to find the happy compromise where when engine is under more load (like hills or starting out, it makes it richer, and vice versa). At higher speeds over 60 it may also have less vacuum so that would need some additional adjustment or a "shut off" condition based on speed?
FYI: I use the vacuum solenoid all the time for years now on my older minivan to cut off the AC on engine loaded (starting out or up hills), and it really does seem to save me mpg (yes I have manual over ride switch for situations where I prefer to lose the mpg at first, for increased AC like when car sits in sun too long and at first its heat soaked.
Any fool would know that all the heats involved are interelated.
Oil companies ignored this clean use of gas technology since it did not serve its purposes ($$$). Thanks for re-resurecting it for the public. It can still make an impact in our environment and pockets.
You are fu.....n unbelieveble !!! Man !!! Grate Work that you have done here Man !!!
Thanks very much! Would just like to see someone take it and run! (Pardon the pun!)
Beautiful truck, Allow me to help you. Make a stainless sealed both ends pipe about 2" around and as long as possible that you can mount beside exhaust as close to header as possible. Drill hole in one end of pipe to allow mounting of a fuel injector. Drill another hole about 1/2" in diameter and thread it next to injector and attach metal pipe to breather. Wire the injector to a 555 timer circuit at fry's electronics, it's ok if you run a 7 psi pump. Remove the time on control and wire an external volume control that you will mount on throttle.
Now then set time off on timer for a good idle with time on set at mid point. The throttle will increase the time on when you accelerate.
Pogues carb was quite elaborate and I have an idea that it worked with 100 octane fuel,because oil company changed formula to stop it. This idea will turn all liquid into gas even if they use water. Plus you will not be storing a liquid under hood. As soon as the fuel transforms it will be sucked in by expansion. DO NOT drill a hole in stainless to let air in, Bad idea. We want everything to be sealed and contained in the pipe. To feed the injector just splice the fuel line and be sure to run metal line as close as possible to injector. CAUTION: You or anyone reading this CAN NOT hold me responsible for any information I give here. If you do this and it blows up in your face you did it wrong and I will not attend your funeral. Good Luck. Hope you are still at it
That sounds like a great idea!
Has anyone done something like this? Or is this something you just thought out your self?
Have you done this before? Post a video?
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The first dry vapor carburetor ever publicized was released in 1932, although it is thought that it was first experimented with back in the 1890's some time.
It seems to run fine on small engines. I wish Fred had taken us for a ride in his truck.
@@alext9067 Its not rocket science, its a case of too many weak willed humans unwilling to use their brains and look back into history and reach beyond the pre-planned-neo-canned technobabble garbage and think for themselves.
We are lied to so much and told over and over that we are so much better off than our ancestors when now we are in debt like no other generation in the history of the earth, we live in a grimy filthy sooty mess of dioxins, we have to slave just for the money to drive to our slave master's grist mills, all because we lack the wit and the will to step out of the mindset of slavery and stop running their rat mazes.
People with WAY more money than I have rely on the fast easy cheap DIRTY convenience of liquefied petroleum instead of even doing so much as vaporizing it, let alone using methanol ['wood gas' (the pyrolitic decomposition of organic matter)] or bio-gas [methane from the microbial composting/decomposition of organic matter] which occur freely and naturally everywhere.
You can literally make fuel from your lawn, your household garbage, your garden trimmings, your personal waste products, and yes, even old computer and appliance parts (the plastic parts), any and all of which can be carefully mixed, matched, or separated to virtually any mixture ratio people desire.
If it has carbon in it, [and believe it or not, even sand!] you can make viable engine fuel from it.
In Sonoma, California, at the Sonoma County Sanitary Station [can be found on any map and visited free of charge] they have large diesel generators which run round the clock on a naturally occurring product of the biological degradation of used household trash and producing megawatts of power. Not 'diesel fuel' even! A mixture of methane, silane, ethane, ethanol, methanol, acetone, carbon monoxide and hydrogen sulfide, along with other trace gases.
I had a discussion about mining the trash dump for a more efficient manner of generating power from it but they are so proud of their system they won't give it up until it is exhausted, and it honestly looks even if they stopped adding to the landfill today, like they will be producing fuel there for the next three thousand years.
So there ya go. Trash that nobunny wants to ever see again is silently working to produce power for future generations just below the surface of the ground, no gasoline or diesel fuel whatsoever.
Why do i bring this up? Because even if you lack the land, machinists skills and tooling [let alone local permits!] to make your own bio fuel synthesis plant, SURELY you can rig up a simple BOX to vaporize common gasoline into a dry vapor! ~( 'w')/
I heard and read about this type of fuelling sometime ago. Thanks for yur video and being brave enough to have a go. It does make you wonder if a 1950s car can get 200mpg, what could be achieved with a modern 1.6 or 2.0Ltr engine....I expect 300 plus mpg.
How i learned about this was when my dad told me cars did better in fog I wondered what if you put water vapor into the engine i felt it was wastefull why wouldnt you just vaprorize gas using an ultrasonic transducer then I thought about the term "shese running on fumes and I found out this has been in the works
Thank you! Great start!!
i ve done similar project last year.managed to get from 50mpg to 78mpg on my citroen saxo 1.1 but engine didnt have power.wasnt convinced that increase of mpg was justifiable for loss of engine power. amount of effort time and money spent for that project made me to call it a day.it was good time and i enjoyed it tho.
Try putting some water to the mix. That's work for me.
You are a mad scientist! 200 mpg is impossible using petrol. But it does burn cleaner. I enjoy your video Fred. Thanks
Not impossible. Ever hear of Tom Ogle?
Impossible no,improbable yes,at least with a internal combustion engine.Freds on a good track but needs a good team to help him.
A Model A Ford with an updraft carb runs super clean if tuned correctly. I had an Oliver Crawler with an updraft carb and a A motor. Difficult to start ran rough till hot and from batch to batch of gasoline required adjustment.Then each batch of gas had different consumption rates. The Auto makers stopped using the up draft because it was a nuisance. Some Gasolines had no light hydrocarbons to speak of so the engine would not start without starting fluid. Decades ago Smokey Unick had his vapor engine with a turbo and super heated the gasoline into a perfect vapor at 400F with sucess .Huge improvement in fule consumption. Bad Emissions- NOX was a problem. For now we are stuck with OBD2 and downfraft carbs.
I love what you've done, I was first interested in this about a couple of years ago, and I tried to get, well let's just say I think I told everybody I know about it , and you know what , Not one single person would get with me on the deal. I still haven't lost my interest in it and seeing what you've doneimgoing to do the same myself. Even if by myself. Alot of those people that I know dont believe that it can work, and the rest of them say its things like this that will get you killed. They say our "Government doesn't want us to be able to do this", they make more money keeping it dirty. You said yourself that this technology / idea has been around since 1920's. And you and I know for a fact that it can be done, So why haven't they done it?, Because it's all a money scheme scam. You try a make a pogue carb and put it on the market, only to take over the whole automotive industry worldwide they'll kill you. They dont want free energy, cars that get 200mpg, theywant the exact opposite. What do you think. I'm on your side I'm all for it I think it's the greatest. Tom Boswell.
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Sir, I'd sure like to buy that magazine from you. Amazing video by the way.
You don't have to bey it. Not for sale anyway! All you need is on the internet! :)
Quick note, use a small steel grid to roll up your carbon felt to put in a gravity fed canister with float to then go up a tube to a t joint to made to work like a carburetor. The larger the top of the pipe of the pipe t and the smaller the bottom the leaner the fuel air mix. Air moving around the wick make a vapor.
i commend your efforts to share your works.
however ive more to say about it below.
Great work
The oil companies do not want this on the market because they like money not the environment! There was a guy back in the 70’s who did this and was promptly paid off and that was the end of it, never to be seen again. I might try this but being so dangerous I best work out the bugs on a lawnmower first! Great job perhaps you could post your diagram with a huge disclaimer if someone blows themselves up! Thanks Bro you might just make a difference in this world!
You got it done and uploaded, did good, all that pollution and wasted money for so many years for no reason, could be the reason for all the debt
in creating mine, my concern is- distance from vapor to engine, and is 1-1/2 inch hose the correct size?
This is amazing!
Hey Fred, hows your rig running? I have been contemplating rigging up one of these.
Frederick- Wonderful set of videos ! I noticed, while navigating your site, that you look at the same sites that I do ! Not to mention zero point energy. I was curious what the normal operating temperature of your truck is? I saw that you live in Cactus country, and wondered whether the warm weather caused any design problems for you.
a mint condition old truck. very impressive
i am planning on having the same system on my 87' fiero
Vapor Carbs like the Pogue Catb or the Oyster Carb don't work anymore because the fuel companies added Resins to the fuel specifically to defeat such carbs. Bubbler systems work because they simply draw the vapors off from the surface of the gasoline (leaving the Resins behind in the bubbler tank).
You are right on and vaporizing gasoline is actually cracking it and the heavy-ends end up in the bottom of the vapor canister. The refining process on
gasoline has 7 compounds in the gasoline and some of the compounds will not completely vaporize until over 300 deg. F. Gasoline is a poor fuel to
vaporize if you want a better fuel for this use White gasoline (lantern fuel) which is a pure form of gasoline. The question arises, do all of the high mileage
carburetion systems really work, yes. The Coleman stoves and lanterns proves that a vapor fuel system will work just don't use regular gasoline, it will
destroy the Coleman Generator. The heavy-ends of the gasoline clogs the vapor panels in the Generator.
best video yet
Have you ever used Ethanol for vaporization? I hear it works better then gasoline. Has less contaminates and higher octane.
I read that the valve timing may need an adjustment, in order to drive longer with vapor. Is that true?
Hi Frederick how much of a increase did you get in fuel economy and how did it perform compare to old carby.
Thank you for your video and watch out for the men in black that turn up to dissuade you from manufacturing this for the public. The reason your pipes have so much carbon from burning liquid gasoline is that in the process of internal combustion motor produces 6-7 gallons of water and literally drags the incombustibles out the exhaust hence giving us poor efficiency. The over fueling is by design to keep your exhaust valves cool. I run my car on water from an electrolyzer in my shop only; great fun too. Check out Water for fuel, Stanley Meyers-----Thanks David
do you have to battle with gas fumes coming from the holding tank?
Your flame arrestor is a great idea sometimes with the HOH thing to use a balloon so there is an explosion to bloom blows up and that doesn't blow up the stuff Beyond it
Use sponges in the container. It will hold the gas in better and even get better gas mileage
I've been familiar with this for a long time but carburetor cars are rare today. I'm working on something similar for EFI. Have a couple details to work through yet but I think I have it mostly figured out.
Did you figure out how to implement this onto an EFi system?
what are you using for a backfire resister.
Do you need a specific part?
Use a spark arrester. Like what they use in saws.
Seriously we have to get this out there
How long have you used this system, how long does it run for? I hooked a more simpler version in my 01 ford truck and only got it to run for about 5 minutes then I won't combust anymore. Going to try and hope and hook this up in my 74 f350
Fred is the ute still running ?can you take it for a drive with a full tank and see hom km/m you get thanks
if you heat up the fuel ,it will expand considerably and go further yet... I am looking into white vapor which is basically what you have but you have a heating element much like a vape cigarette . but instead of oil it's gas.
Farei no Brazil! Thaks.
can you drive this on the freeway? do you have increased mpg?
I wonder, have you done anything like compare the mpg on liquid fuel vs vapor, or tried anything else like alcohol?
Hello fellow Vapor lover !! LOL, my name is Manuel. I have a similar system going into my 1986 Mercury Lynx.
if you warm the vapors does this make any difference?
Espectacular trabajo...!!!
nice set up
Do you still have this magazine? I can’t seem to find a copy in the internet. Would be wonderful if you could upload scans of pages 9-17 that include the article on the Pogue Carburetor. Happy to help if you have questions, great video!
Well it does work.Pontiac engineers developed a Fiero with that system around 1984 i think.Unfortunately pontic officials ordered that all the cars had to be destroyed and abandoned the project.As far as i know the cars were running
Buen video amigo , hello from Mexico: did u fix carb air issue?
It would nice to see still pictures of this artical
what centimetric cubic have the engine and how much gasoline consuption with this system
are you just heating the fuel or the air goingintot he fuel or both
Love this ..
Good day to everyone out there. My name is Shannon and this is my Father Fred in this video. my father is now in a nursing home with Alzheimer's. I am so excited to see all the views and kind comments and I want to thank all of you. I'll be visiting him soon and we will be sure to tell him about all the views. He'll be extremely excited! Love and Good Vibes to all of you!!! He would wish you all gratitude, compassion and kindness. His favorite 3 things.
He was going in the right direction for mileage and saving money on fuel. Unfortunately old age gets us all.. sorry to hear about his health problem..
Did you buy or make the backfire screen? And if bought,where?
Can you scan the magazine in a PDF format and post it as a link under the video?
What an EXCEL idea!!!! I'm old, but will try to see what I can do here! Thanks Theseus!
Actually Thes after thinking about it and speaking with an old friend, you can do as I did! Google "CARS" and "Mystery of the 200 miles per gallon Pogue carburetor" That should get you to the exact area... :) Ole Fred
Patent - US2026798 - google patents - or just search 2026798 - click 'download PDF'
also try - U.S.
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@@fbropp That does not work fella. Try it ???
Sir Fred your the best 👌
Молодец! Знай одно- нас с вами знакомят только с плохой стороны через телевизор, те кто не дает таким машинам жить.
А ты сделал что-то подобное на свое авто, прекрати смотр телевизор
I would be curious to see what you come up with. I pull vapors from my fuel tank through a little heat exchanger that is 12 volt heated until the engine is warm and then switched to hot engine coolant.I was able to gain a 13% mpg increase and burn clean. I have since gone step farther and have a total of 50% increase by adding another process, but I will keep that a secret for now. All of this is done on a 1995 Cherokee 4.0l. What are your latest thoughts?
My name is Shannon and I am Fred's daughter. Unfortunately my father is now in a nursing home with Alzheimer's so I'm afraid he won't be able to answer your question but we appreciate your comment! I hope you figured out the problem :-)
Sorry to hear about your dad. Thanks for the update.
I love what you're doing and appreciate you sharing it with us. BUT, please lose the loud music as it is VERY distracting from getting the full affect of your message. Thanks for sharing :)
Great Video!!! Is there anyway you could teach us how to build the float bowl you made? Or do you know of a good video that would show us?
I tried running a 1966 Chev on gas vapor many years ago. I could get it to run ok, but no noticeable improvement in the fuel consumption! What are you getting for gas mileage now that you have had 4 more years to experiment on your vapor carb setup? Thanks for now, and when you are finished for the day a Powered Parachute is a good way to go up and relax!!!
Hello sir ,
Can you please share the PDF copy of the cars magazine ?
Or any link ?
I will be honoured ...
I am unable to get it online ....
I can’t read the replies. What are you using for a flame arrestor?
Could you do this with forced induction...such as supercharger or turbocharger?
How many miles to the gallon do you get? Is there any difference.
Wow great video look like it works but in that cold start u should use HH0 I think is the water fuel that uses metal in a water to make hydrogen I think if u do both in one engine u should be able to make extreme mileage in a gallon of gas bec both are vapors.
You sir, are original. I have seen many many setups but the heat circulating through the copper tubing is a very nice idea. Your setup is somewhat same in theory to some I have seen, yet I have not seen one like this. Have you tried an ultrasonic transducer? If you decide to do so be sure to take off the sensor, plug the holes with a conductive metal and seal. Otherwise the petrol will destroy the ultrasonic transducer pretty quick. Great work, and the 1950s 200 mpg car is an amazing story! Sadly its oil companies that stand to lose money, and yes they collude with auto manufacturers. This is now 2018, in my humble opinion 400-1000 mpg on gasoline with today's technology is conceivable. People seem to like the electric route, but this creates more problems than gasoline and would further dampen an economy. Like you said, this invention will create an economy so strong because everyone could travel to and fro, which leads to more money in everyones pockets that would be spent on just about everything imaginable as well as open doors to new ideas.
GM, Ford, Exxon holding all the patents, to hit once and forever all the german, asian cars, it d be just pile of unneeded parts on the sides of the roads...
Thanks Wade! I turnover all to you young dudes! The is is COMPRESSION. The evil air is solved. :)
This is AWESOME!
how is driving? Do you drive it over 60nph ?
Sir, THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the information!!!
What is your MPG?
Almost double
I am looking into automotive engineering and this concept is extremely interesting to me, I am baffled nobody has designed a proper and safe version of this with good tunability, most people call me paranoid and a conspiracy theorists but I think It hasn't become mainstream because of big oil companies, if this gets into our everyday cars they will cry "It's too dangerous" and try to get people to buy their more inefficient systems and keep their demand for oil up, otherwise the product they have is basically worthless.
It hasn't become mainstream because it doesn't save any fuel. That's all there is to it, nothing more, nothing less...
@@2menandabike314 the thing is wouldn’t it require less fuel because instead of it plowing in particulates and only burning 70% of the fuel it would be way better atomized and burn closer to 100%?
@@djmystery7235 If it only burns 70% of the fuel, where goes the other 30%? It magically disappears? Or does your car leave a trail of unburned fuel as you drive along? It just doesn't work... And if you don't believe me, check this out... ua-cam.com/video/IuGWHfWqWtg/v-deo.html 2-3% ffuel savings isn't very impressive, far of the 50%-claims...
hello, what did you make a back fire valve
Hi there , fascinated with your project but I was curious as whether the combustion chamber temperature rises greatly by removing the carburetted system and replacing it with vapour thus causing the valves to burn?
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something I commented onI might have a cxouple of suggestions that will improve your setup. My brother and his friend made a headgasket with four sets of platinum points equally mounted around the cylinder. It was layered in between the gasket material like a circuit board. So instead of firing from the spark plug it fired from each set of points. The platinum points had no place to hold any carbon build up so would not foul out like a spark plug. and firing the gas mixture with four sets of spark burned the fuel vapor quicker and more completely.(old airplanes had two sparkplugs per cylinder)
Giving an increase of power with less fuel consumtion and less emissions. My idea to add to this is to reduce fuel droplet size thus increasing surface area of the fuel by using an ultrasonic mister which instantly vaporizes a drop of liquid to a finer mist than a carburator is capable of. This should also increase power while decreasing consumption andEmmisions. The reason you do not see this gasket method of spark on the market now is a sparkplug company bought their patent. Their was a drawback to the design they had not worked out at the time and that was that the gasket was thicker and you had to torque it down just right or it would blow the gasket. But this was 40 years ago and we have much better materials to work with now. I really hope you read this or anyone else . It could be an easy add on for cars well worth the cost for the increased economy and decrease of emmisions. Hopefully give a little more time for the transition to the totally electric cars that are coming. Jake The Snake Was interested in the gasket for his race cars as it would have been a huge advantage. So if you need an investor you might want to try him. It also goes to show how money trumps humanityand that big corporations (Firestone) are more concerned with the bottom line than reducing polution to save mankind. We really need to institute a crimes against humanity law for people like that and Big Pharma who suppress or overprice discoveries that benefit life.. Please send a comment should you read this. I like to think I am at least trying yo help.
You are absolutely right, those are some great ideas.
As long as we have greedy and evil satanic people in this world who are corrupt, nothing will change because we are constantly being manipulated and lied too, about the truth of our world.
If enough people get together we can make a difference
Hello Fred, can you please tell me how much progress you have made Sir ??? Thanks, V
Hi Fred! Love your work! I’m in the process of introducing a system like this to a fuel injected V8 5.2L engine. The ONE thing keeping me from making progress is Related to ‘too lean of mixtures’ which is inherent in the Vaporizing process. Have you dealt with this issue? Valve clattering issues? Overheating issues?
@nynetynyne I have an SLK200K that is about to be converted ! ECU changed to a mega squirt ECU , By By sensors ....
curtis mcmanus Did you make the conversion yet? Good luck. I wish you success!
I'm pretty sure this only works with carbureted engines. The idea is to mix the fuel with the air so long before it's in the cylinder that there no liquid left.
My cousin did something similar to a 57 Chevy in the 60s filed a patent and the government came in a seized everything he had. It's the government that keeps this technology undeveloped it's like you said been in print some the 50s.
they don't want us to mas produce these things be carful,may God be with You
Can you please descibe more on the backfire protection device you implemented?