Track was resurfaced in 2018, but it's safe to say that even without the new tarmac W11 could've easily taken T9 flat. Mercedes didnt choose their party mode (strat 2) for 2020 Q3. Both drivers were told to use strat 3, although the ERS deployment through that part would've been highly likely the same.
Question: what would you do if George Russell bulked up to the max, grew his hair out, approached you and asked: "what's the most you have ever lost on a coint toss?"
Great video as always, could you do an 0-100, 0-200, 0-300 comparison between various eras (2006-2008, 2009-2013, 2014-2016, 2017-2021, 2022...) I know those are not useful numbers for racing, but it would be great to see how hp, aerodynamic and weight changes affect them
@@tunatastic3307 go look at hamiltons lap in 2020 for pole.. He's full throttle the entire way through the corner.. No lift, not nothing. 300km/h at the fucking apex flat out 7th gear
@@Kimikaze2007 Yes thank you, great memory:). Now that i think about that probably also Silverstone but it was very close with the 2013 pole, i'm not sure.
As much as I hate Mercedes I can't help but admit that the W11 is one of the greatest racing cars ever built. Pure unadulterated speed and aero that makes it look like it's on rails. A work of art if I've ever seen one...
I'm finding I've got a new appreciation of the 2014/2015 cars. They just have this rawness that is unique in the modern era. They remind me of contemporary hypercars where the power of them far outweighs the cornering potential. The way they sort of clumsily hussle through the corners and then just unleash this monstrous amount of straight line speed is great to watch.
Well I do appreciate the 2016 Mercedes-powered cars a lot, which were likely the fastest F1 cars ever in 0-250km/h acceleration. They were still slow in corners, but on the straight they were ridiculously fast. F1's top speed record stll belongs to 2016 Williams.
the reason for that is the higher cornering speed too. Theyre similarly fast on the straights because the 2014/15 cars just have so much raw accelerating power while the 2020 cars get a "head start" through the higher cornering speed out of T9, and then they can go faster through T10 as well, meaning that while they arrive at the braking zone at similar speeds, the 2020 car doesn't have to slow down as much and therefore has to brake less and therefore can start braking later.
@@mandolo100 wow, how does this have 11 likes? Just check how fast the new car goes from 300 to 120 compared to the old car. It IS braking much better.
I just can't not admit that the W11 is just a MASTERPIECE on all motorsport history. Reliability Tire management Straight speed Cornering speed Everything.
@@perfectman3077worse driver, cheating dirty team principal and obly better car 2021 and forward after they had to threaten the FIA by leaibg if they didn't slow down Mercedes. Horner even cried back in teh 2016 wheb they still had the fastest car ob slower tracks like monaco.
@@perfectman3077 Red bull tastes like shit and is overpriced af. Max couldn't beat Lewis in a superior car without cheating and having the whole FIA's favour. Horner is known for being a scumbag if he doesn't get what he want.
downshifting twice vs foot flatting im glad that even lewis and mercedes haters can appreciate that the w11 is likely the fastest racing car we'll ever see
It wont stay the fastest forever.. But I think its a shame that the engines get freezed.. Mayby without the engine freeze we would already see faster times by the end of 2025 on some tracks.. but mayby we still will(although its unlikely). Difference is only 3-4sec on some tracks(to 2020). And the new 2022 cars are absolute babies right now keep that in mind. But mayby the 2026 Generation can produce even faster cars, with active aero and less weight.
Sadly I don’t think there will ever be an f1 car faster than it. With the new regulations coming up for the engines they have two or 300 (I forget how much exactly) less horse power. That coupled with the immense amount of downforce they lost with the new generation of cars is going to make for some very slow, very boring cars. It’s honestly sad to see them going in the opposite direction. The 2020 cars would’ve been an absolute spectacle to see going around the track in person. But I don’t think we will ever have the chance to see them or any future f1 cars pull those gs around corners like those :(
Ohhh this time you have put Lewis's lap as well, thank you Yelistener:),because i remember watching the lap but the telemetry was messed up; It lasted for like the first sector.
W11 in Belgium 2020 is still the greatest lap of all time in my opinion. I would like to see what Verstappen could do in this car with his aggressive driving style.
He did Pouhon flat in 2018 as well, for me the greatest lap is Senna's Monaco pole lap in 1988 where he gave 1 second to Prost which was second. Also Singapore 2018 deserve a mention
@@vamositalia4600 You are comparing laps that are impressive mainly for the driver's skills to laps that are impressive mainly for the car's capabilities. We are discussing the later right now.
It is evident that the 2020 F1s have been the fastest in history for their combination of downforce (the highest in history) and power (not the highest, but close to 1000 hp is still a lot), but I don't I had stopped to think that the 2014-15 cars were the slowest in years. It makes sense, since its power was not too much (about 600 hp from the ICE and 160 from the ERS, for a total of some "modest" 760 hp) and its downforce was low (I don't know if more than previous years, but low anyways). Fortunately, the 2017 regulations made us have the fastest single-seaters in history, too bad that both the inequality between teams and the aerodynamic concept deprived us of one of the most incredible times in history...
and this latest iteration will be even better. 2023 onwards the cars should be equal and even succeed 2020 performance in addition to greater raceability. furthermore, these new cars look absolutely brilliant and should be killer on the straights once porpoising is controlled better.
They cut back the downforce from 2013 and the engine got more powerful (with torque not horsepower) and the cars also got a lot heavier, those cars were slow and difficult to drive. In Bahrain 2014 GP2 was easily inside 107% of F1 if I remember correctly.
I don’t know how bad gear ratios and ECU setup were optimized for this track let alone this corner, but you can see him reach 268 km/h and have full throttle entering the corner. His speed doesn’t decline even with lateral acceleration meaning his longitudinal (straight line) acceleration is technically increasing. He only barely reached 268 entering the corner and he kept full throttle meaning the car could handle a faster speed if it accelerated in time and continued to do full throttle like he did. Thinking about stuff like this gets more and more fun when you understand the math and engineering around everything
@@GazRsExtremeBrickMachines Well it’s not really true that you’ll never know you can probably do speculations on the downforce of the W11 when looking at different velocities it has for corners with different radii R, When youre speculating you may look at different corners and watch the throttle input compared to the velocity and when you see its performance when pulling certain G’s you can probably safely assume it could do that for this corner with similar or same G forces as well and based on that and maybe calculations that do an Engine swap with that year’s Ferrari (which I see being compared to the W11 having crazy straight line speed aswell) you can see the effect on lap time when circuits are run on W11’s aero and Ferrari’s engine, giving you the best car you could have had that year with teams working together. You can simulate that endlessly though because you have the data for it but it’s not really that realistic because of the endless parameters that racing has.
My dad is often watching F1 in the background while doing office work, and he always tells me how little overtaking attempts there are in most races. They keep changing the bolid designs, but it does very little to make the sport entertaining to watch. I'd rather play a racing game myself than watch F1 on the tv. What's the point of spending 2 hours watching when there's maybe 5 minutes of action in overtaking attempts. Best to just watch the highlights after the race...
Another consecuence is the little difference between máximum speed at before turn 10. 303km/h and 304km/h for 2014-2015 and 312km/h in 2020. So the acceleration was faster with less aero. From 200 to 303 (103 km/h difference) to 268 to 311 (34km/h difference) . 69km/h gap in acceleration between 2014 and 2020. The same gap!
The 2020 cars look insane on onboards... like they just go wherever you point them. Gut wrenching to even watch. The 2015 is more what you kind of expect a car to be able to do.
Indeed , as a LH fan 2020 was boring AF even 2019. I was glad when Ferrari had the 2019 rocket engine to make races more interesting. Enjoyed 2021 too besides last race of course.
@@Alumnikiid thats the spirit, this year I hope Mercedes can join the fight again for wins, although I doubt it a bit. Would be amazing though, we didnt have a 3 way fight in some time.
I appreciate the cornering speed of modern F1 cars but I still have such an appreciation for how much raw power the first hybrids had. Obviously the cars had less drag but they could get to 320kph without breaking a sweat on most tracks and could get over 350 at times (Baku was 376 I think?) The raw power overpowered the late 2000s aero on those cars yeah, but it’s still fascinating
They were very slow on Cornes, but I'm straight line speed they were actually good, I saw a video that a Ferrari was reaching 330 in Abu Dhabi 2016 a thing that the cars nowadays can't do
But if you notice the 2015 model had pretty fast acceleration after the corner, it somehow managed to get to 304 from 200, whereas the 2020 model go to 304 from 268. This is eve n with the fact that in both videos the Hamilton was flat-out.
@@hb7866 4-5!!! What f1 have you been watching in qualifying they are usually only 1 second slower and they are actually faster through quick corners so there’s a good chance that they will do it flat
in Bahrain it’s nearly a 2 second difference, and in Imola it’s nearly 4.1 seconds difference so we will have to wait and see because teams will make upgrades but there are also quite a few slow speed corners at Spain so it will not favour the 2022 cars
I am really surprised that 2014/2015 cars were considered so slow as this was the beginning of the turbo hybrid era. I can only assume that they still had the low drag/downforce setup.
F1 is just insane, just imagine you have just werks or month to learn a new car (probably while still driving the old one) and then youll drivw that car for a year or two only to find yourself in a completely different car after that.
@@dylaroo24 yep. It wasn't even called soft, medium and hard back then. It was just the option tyre or the prime tyre. Option being quicker and the prime lasting longer
@@stibblr interesting, only became a serious fan of F1 about a year or two ago. I started playing a lot of F1 2020-2021 and now 2022, I got really good at it and started wanting to see if maybe I have enough to race against pros. So by necessity I started watching a lot of Irl F1 races and following the sport to try and gain what knowledge I could and become a better sim racer. I’m currently saving to order a fanatec wheel and then I’m gonna try out for some actual championships online. Atm, I’m just practicing on a T300RS with a stock wheel and no clutch. So it’s kinda weird driving an F1 car with a round wheel, but it gets the job done I guess.
you just cannot compare these 2 qualy rounds. in 2015 you werent allowed to use softs in spain. you only had mediums and hards. also you didnt have the newly resurfaced corner we now have. so you basically have so much less grip that its just not comparable. give the car from 2015 softs and let it run on the track right now and the gap would be much much more narrow. obviously the 2020 car will still be quicker but then its a matter of 10kmh and not 70
2014/15 cars certainly were slow over a lap, but the acceleration and top speed is some of the best we've seen. 68kph difference in apex speed, only 7kph difference at end of straight 2015. 2014 end of straight difference is only 3 or 4. Both in favour of 2020, but when the car has that much more grip it's not surprising. It shows how higher downforce can lead to reduced time on straights with much higher corner exit speed. Very extreme example of that, but it proves the point.
Interesting the top speed isn't that much different.2015 got to 305km/h an 2020 was only 312km/h so the acceleration must of been better in the 2015 as it was significantly slower in the corner.
@@Mark-zk3gu that would explain it as they use the same engine. I thought it was due to the rules requiring less downforce. So it was more a missile in a straight line then a squat monster.
Hamilton is the most overrated driver ever. Look at Max now vs Sergio in the same car, it’s not even close. Yes, the RB19 is a great car but it takes an equally great driver to maximize its performance. Rosberg actually beat out Hamilton for a championship in that fastest car ever.
Track was resurfaced in 2018, but it's safe to say that even without the new tarmac W11 could've easily taken T9 flat.
Mercedes didnt choose their party mode (strat 2) for 2020 Q3. Both drivers were told to use strat 3, although the ERS deployment through that part would've been highly likely the same.
predictions for next weekend speed at t9 with this new cars?
Question: what would you do if George Russell bulked up to the max, grew his hair out, approached you and asked: "what's the most you have ever lost on a coint toss?"
@@bosshunterman "Sir?"
How about straight line acceleration? 0-100, 100-200, 200-300 km/h?
Great video as always, could you do an 0-100, 0-200, 0-300 comparison between various eras (2006-2008, 2009-2013, 2014-2016, 2017-2021, 2022...) I know those are not useful numbers for racing, but it would be great to see how hp, aerodynamic and weight changes affect them
For the older Merc T9 is a corner. For the W11, T9 is just a curved straight
na fam, it's just a straight. Remember pouhon? That's a straight too...
@@Bahamuttiamat no way is pouhon a straight get out of here with that bs
@@tunatastic3307 I beg your pardon?!
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I always thought that this corner is flat out on the gas. Never have I thought that in the previous years, drivers used to brake and shift down.
@@tunatastic3307 go look at hamiltons lap in 2020 for pole.. He's full throttle the entire way through the corner.. No lift, not nothing.
300km/h at the fucking apex flat out 7th gear
Old Lewis: Gotta brake and Coast a bit here
2020 Lewis: *F L A T T H R O U G H H E R E*
would it not be young lewis lol?
nah thats young lewis, old lewis is flat out through here
This really makes you realise just how slow the 2014-16 cars were for lap time
Only 2014 and 15, in 2016 they started to beat 2004 track records
Yeah in 2016 they beat Bahrain fastest time that was done in 2005 i believe
@@vamositalia4600 And Monaco 2004 Trulli pole lap as well
@@Kimikaze2007 Yes thank you, great memory:). Now that i think about that probably also Silverstone but it was very close with the 2013 pole, i'm not sure.
@@vamositalia4600 2016 pole was faster by 0.320 than 2013. These cars were a precursor of the high aero 2017 cars.
W11 is bae. Drooling over that livery, hooting over that aero. What a masterpiece
One of the most perfectly build F1 cars of all time. Up there with the F2004.
It's an incredible car just like MP4/4 and Williams FW14
Bae 😂 weirdo
That shit was wild, fricking flat out
@H501 Amen!!
As much as I hate Mercedes I can't help but admit that the W11 is one of the greatest racing cars ever built. Pure unadulterated speed and aero that makes it look like it's on rails. A work of art if I've ever seen one...
Even better than 2021 RB's car. That W11 monster was gripping the tarmac. Damn
Imagine how many WDCs Alonso would have gotten at Merc. Way more than 8. Easily.
@@quigglyz he would have 12 world titles in 8 seasons
@@quigglyz no he wouldn’t have hamilton only got 6
@@quigglyz Imagine how many WDCs Maldonado would have gotten at Merc.
I'm finding I've got a new appreciation of the 2014/2015 cars. They just have this rawness that is unique in the modern era.
They remind me of contemporary hypercars where the power of them far outweighs the cornering potential. The way they sort of clumsily hussle through the corners and then just unleash this monstrous amount of straight line speed is great to watch.
Well I do appreciate the 2016 Mercedes-powered cars a lot, which were likely the fastest F1 cars ever in 0-250km/h acceleration. They were still slow in corners, but on the straight they were ridiculously fast. F1's top speed record stll belongs to 2016 Williams.
@@yelistener I'm sure that this year we'll see that broken somewhere, RB reached 342 in Miami qualifying!
Mexico, Baku, Monza, and Spa..
And 300 kph on Monaco right after the tunnel...
@@mtcuppers No way, the record is 372 km/h
What I found intense was how much later 2020 cars can brake! Past the 100m board while quicker 🤯
the reason for that is the higher cornering speed too. Theyre similarly fast on the straights because the 2014/15 cars just have so much raw accelerating power while the 2020 cars get a "head start" through the higher cornering speed out of T9, and then they can go faster through T10 as well, meaning that while they arrive at the braking zone at similar speeds, the 2020 car doesn't have to slow down as much and therefore has to brake less and therefore can start braking later.
More aero and wider tyres
@@mandolo100 and more tyre and aero gives you more braking
@@mandolo100 wow, how does this have 11 likes? Just check how fast the new car goes from 300 to 120 compared to the old car. It IS braking much better.
@@myatme both points are true, I just didn't think of the fact that the tires and aero increase the braking power.
I just can't not admit that the W11 is just a MASTERPIECE on all motorsport history.
Reliability
Tire management
Straight speed
Cornering speed
Everything.
Only 1 dnf for mercedes in 2020 i believe not entirely sure. The one i know of was Bottas in Nurburgring when his engine lost power
Red Bull is better. Better driver, better team principal, better car.
@@perfectman3077worse driver, cheating dirty team principal and obly better car 2021 and forward after they had to threaten the FIA by leaibg if they didn't slow down Mercedes. Horner even cried back in teh 2016 wheb they still had the fastest car ob slower tracks like monaco.
@@hugo-pg5tv no way man. Max > Lewy, Horner > TOTO (toilet in Japanese), Red bull is a better drink than Mercedes' are cars!
@@perfectman3077 Red bull tastes like shit and is overpriced af. Max couldn't beat Lewis in a superior car without cheating and having the whole FIA's favour. Horner is known for being a scumbag if he doesn't get what he want.
W11 was a beast. watching it at 0.5x looks like a supercar or a gt car haha
Its crazy how it went from having to brake to never having to lift the throttle.
You are the most underrated f1 youtube channel on youtube at the moment thanks for the great data and fun vids keep it up!
downshifting twice vs foot flatting
im glad that even lewis and mercedes haters can appreciate that the w11 is likely the fastest racing car we'll ever see
Never say ever
@@napalmhotdog4365 rlly the only one who could challenge mercedes in rb
@@timewarpeatscrayons or Ferrari. Don't forget they are the most succesfull constructor of literally all time.
@@TeunR does not explain how they have bottled 4 wc in 12 years
It wont stay the fastest forever.. But I think its a shame that the engines get freezed.. Mayby without the engine freeze we would already see faster times by the end of 2025 on some tracks.. but mayby we still will(although its unlikely). Difference is only 3-4sec on some tracks(to 2020). And the new 2022 cars are absolute babies right now keep that in mind. But mayby the 2026 Generation can produce even faster cars, with active aero and less weight.
Massive thing there is how much later the W11 is on the brakes into T10, even though it's carrying more speed. Insane.
Great video, thanks.
The 2020 merc was an absolute weapon. That thing looked on rails all the time. I don’t think there will be a faster car for a while
until Turkey 2020 :troll:
the 2020 merc wasnt AN weapon, it was THE absolute weapon.
Sadly I don’t think there will ever be an f1 car faster than it. With the new regulations coming up for the engines they have two or 300 (I forget how much exactly) less horse power. That coupled with the immense amount of downforce they lost with the new generation of cars is going to make for some very slow, very boring cars. It’s honestly sad to see them going in the opposite direction. The 2020 cars would’ve been an absolute spectacle to see going around the track in person. But I don’t think we will ever have the chance to see them or any future f1 cars pull those gs around corners like those :(
@@yeehaw3730 engine still makes 1000+ apparently
Turning like that at 270+ km/h is just insane!!!
OP car plus Hamiltons precision and confidence aids that 😃
Not only the cars are faster they're even more stable. Testament to the engineering advancement
Reg change*
Ohhh this time you have put Lewis's lap as well, thank you Yelistener:),because i remember watching the lap but the telemetry was messed up; It lasted for like the first sector.
W11 in Belgium 2020 is still the greatest lap of all time in my opinion. I would like to see what Verstappen could do in this car with his aggressive driving style.
flat through pouhon is crazy to see
Either that or Hamilton's 2020 pole in Hungary... That Mercedes was DIALED IN that day, a lap driven on railroad tracks...
He did Pouhon flat in 2018 as well, for me the greatest lap is Senna's Monaco pole lap in 1988 where he gave 1 second to Prost which was second. Also Singapore 2018 deserve a mention
@@vamositalia4600 You are comparing laps that are impressive mainly for the driver's skills to laps that are impressive mainly for the car's capabilities. We are discussing the later right now.
@@bosshunterman Ah ok, sorry i didn't understand the concept of your messages guys.
Rosberg 2015 pole time: 1:24.681
Hamilton 2020 pole time: 1:15.584
Edit: they are not meant to be links!
Bottas 2019: 1:15.406
Gp2 pole time was '1.29' in 2015
foot to the floor through a 90% bend is a mood
It is evident that the 2020 F1s have been the fastest in history for their combination of downforce (the highest in history) and power (not the highest, but close to 1000 hp is still a lot), but I don't I had stopped to think that the 2014-15 cars were the slowest in years.
It makes sense, since its power was not too much (about 600 hp from the ICE and 160 from the ERS, for a total of some "modest" 760 hp) and its downforce was low (I don't know if more than previous years, but low anyways).
Fortunately, the 2017 regulations made us have the fastest single-seaters in history, too bad that both the inequality between teams and the aerodynamic concept deprived us of one of the most incredible times in history...
The 2020s cars have more than 100bhp
and this latest iteration will be even better. 2023 onwards the cars should be equal and even succeed 2020 performance in addition to greater raceability. furthermore, these new cars look absolutely brilliant and should be killer on the straights once porpoising is controlled better.
@@Tommmmmmmmmmmm these 2022 cars are just born, but they have to remove 100-150 kg in order to be good racing cars
They cut back the downforce from 2013 and the engine got more powerful (with torque not horsepower) and the cars also got a lot heavier, those cars were slow and difficult to drive. In Bahrain 2014 GP2 was easily inside 107% of F1 if I remember correctly.
@@Tommmmmmmmmmmm 2023 cars would need to be absolute monsters, they're much heavier, probably lost power and have less downforce
The 2014-15 cars had to slow down a bit, but the w11 just.. turned. Flat out, just turn the wheel and it just went!! Truly an amazing car.
I really hope that at some point there would be a way to see a full potential of F1 without the rules. W11 was insane to watch.
I don’t know how bad gear ratios and ECU setup were optimized for this track let alone this corner, but you can see him reach 268 km/h and have full throttle entering the corner. His speed doesn’t decline even with lateral acceleration meaning his longitudinal (straight line) acceleration is technically increasing. He only barely reached 268 entering the corner and he kept full throttle meaning the car could handle a faster speed if it accelerated in time and continued to do full throttle like he did.
Thinking about stuff like this gets more and more fun when you understand the math and engineering around everything
Yeah I was wondering if he reached 280kph could he have kept it flat but we’ll never know.
For many cars this was still a slight lift at the time.
@@GazRsExtremeBrickMachines Well it’s not really true that you’ll never know you can probably do speculations on the downforce of the W11 when looking at different velocities it has for corners with different radii R,
When youre speculating you may look at different corners and watch the throttle input compared to the velocity and when you see its performance when pulling certain G’s you can probably safely assume it could do that for this corner with similar or same G forces as well and based on that and maybe calculations that do an Engine swap with that year’s Ferrari (which I see being compared to the W11 having crazy straight line speed aswell) you can see the effect on lap time when circuits are run on W11’s aero and Ferrari’s engine, giving you the best car you could have had that year with teams working together.
You can simulate that endlessly though because you have the data for it but it’s not really that realistic because of the endless parameters that racing has.
The older cars are going around that corner as fast as I've ever been in a car, that's absolutely mind blowing.
Imagine how different it would look with one car at 0km/h through that corner and another at 68 km/h. Massive difference.
tf
This is the first video I gave a thumbs up in a very long time, simply perfect, thank you
W11 is also that car which can do Pouhon flat-out.
From a Ferrari fan, hands down to Mercedes, what a masterpiece they did with the W11
it was an illegal car
Cool, I still remember the old video.
By my calculations, in 2070 the speed on that corner will be 948km/h and finally we are going to have the same speed as boeings.
1:26 absolutely FLATOUT, thats is mad!
My dad is often watching F1 in the background while doing office work, and he always tells me how little overtaking attempts there are in most races. They keep changing the bolid designs, but it does very little to make the sport entertaining to watch. I'd rather play a racing game myself than watch F1 on the tv. What's the point of spending 2 hours watching when there's maybe 5 minutes of action in overtaking attempts. Best to just watch the highlights after the race...
Another consecuence is the little difference between máximum speed at before turn 10. 303km/h and 304km/h for 2014-2015 and 312km/h in 2020. So the acceleration was faster with less aero. From 200 to 303 (103 km/h difference) to 268 to 311 (34km/h difference) . 69km/h gap in acceleration between 2014 and 2020. The same gap!
W11 was just an insane machine.
Im an avid red bull fan but the respect i have for Mercedes, wow, that w11 is just a pure masterpiece
I remember watching that lap live and PDR practically came at the fact he didn't even lift during the turn.
T9 Spain in full throttle... I've got no words to describe the W11
As a RB fan I have to admit the W11 is the most impressive race car that has ever been build. Very beautiful too
I just love how any super aero dependent corner the w11 is basically just flat, pouillon, and T9 at catalunya
The 2020 cars look insane on onboards... like they just go wherever you point them. Gut wrenching to even watch. The 2015 is more what you kind of expect a car to be able to do.
That W11 was on rails, insane!!
w11 is amazing but that speed on 2015 engine is insane
That car was a monster. But Im glad these dominant years are gone, it was so boring 😂😂
Indeed , as a LH fan 2020 was boring AF even 2019. I was glad when Ferrari had the 2019 rocket engine to make races more interesting. Enjoyed 2021 too besides last race of course.
@@Alumnikiid thats the spirit, this year I hope Mercedes can join the fight again for wins, although I doubt it a bit. Would be amazing though, we didnt have a 3 way fight in some time.
love your videos, great content 👍🏼
1:25 literally what i do in f1 23
When I was a beginner using high TC lol
I appreciate the cornering speed of modern F1 cars but I still have such an appreciation for how much raw power the first hybrids had. Obviously the cars had less drag but they could get to 320kph without breaking a sweat on most tracks and could get over 350 at times (Baku was 376 I think?)
The raw power overpowered the late 2000s aero on those cars yeah, but it’s still fascinating
That's more a consequence of drag rather than power.
This videos title should be what 5 years of development looks like
I get anxious every time I see an f1 car without the halo now
Wow, I love the clever use of stereo in the split-screen view!
They were very slow on Cornes, but I'm straight line speed they were actually good, I saw a video that a Ferrari was reaching 330 in Abu Dhabi 2016 a thing that the cars nowadays can't do
downforce invevitably adds drag which is stornger the faster they go. Mercedes had less drag than a ferrari in the last years and was very noticeable
IIRC Bottas was reaching 340 or so in Montreal in 2014 and almost 350 in 2015
@@raptorne1 bottas got 372 in mexico 2016
verstappen hit 340 in miami
@@its_godlyrl2066 this years cars are vastly different
70 kmh difference in the turn but only 10-15 kmh difference after the straight right after t9
freeze at 2:00
The w11 is even still accelerating while still turning in the corner..
Will be interesting to see how fast this years cars will be trough that corner.
I bet 279 kph
He looks glued to the track. Insane.
Let's admit
W11 is a foking jet fighter
I know it's hardly a secret by this point but that W11 thing was fucking bananas. BANANAS!
Cool comparison! 2015 looks more fun to drive though
Really good comparation!!
the difference in smoothness is unbelievable. that 2020 car looks so smooth!!
The g forces on that got to be insane
Wow 🤩 2020 cars turn like they are on rails .
onboards feel so weird without halo lol
Thanks for the comparison clip!
W11 is one monster.
But if you notice the 2015 model had pretty fast acceleration after the corner, it somehow managed to get to 304 from 200, whereas the 2020 model go to 304 from 268. This is eve n with the fact that in both videos the Hamilton was flat-out.
I've just realized in the 2015 video DRS is on, but does DRS really make such a huge impact.
I think the 2022 cars will also do it flat I guess we will see
No way. The 2021 cars couldn’t do it flat out and atm the 2022 cars are 4-5s slower a lap than the 2021 cars
@@hb7866 4-5!!! What f1 have you been watching in qualifying they are usually only 1 second slower and they are actually faster through quick corners so there’s a good chance that they will do it flat
in Bahrain it’s nearly a 2 second difference, and in Imola it’s nearly 4.1 seconds difference so we will have to wait and see because teams will make upgrades but there are also quite a few slow speed corners at Spain so it will not favour the 2022 cars
@@hb7866 wdym the 2021 cars took it flat easy
@@hb7866 u dont know shit bro
W11 and the older V10s were Just pure fucking speed
I am really surprised that 2014/2015 cars were considered so slow as this was the beginning of the turbo hybrid era. I can only assume that they still had the low drag/downforce setup.
2014-2015 engine sounds = 4 stroke dirtbike
2020 engine sound = 2 stroke dirt bike with supercharger.
F1 is just insane, just imagine you have just werks or month to learn a new car (probably while still driving the old one) and then youll drivw that car for a year or two only to find yourself in a completely different car after that.
Why did I think this video would be about the 2015 Honda vs the 2015 Mercedes???🤣
Everybody gangsta until 2020 f1 cars show up
What impress me more is the brakes efficiency.
All I heard at the start was “Hey it’s Rollie from Kamui and I am your average pool player”
Also keep in mind the 2014-2015 examples were on hard tyres where as 2020 Hamilton was on softs, so that probably have a bit of an effect too.
White was medium back then
@@alphonso3904 really? I had no idea.
@@dylaroo24 yep. It wasn't even called soft, medium and hard back then. It was just the option tyre or the prime tyre. Option being quicker and the prime lasting longer
@@stibblr interesting, only became a serious fan of F1 about a year or two ago. I started playing a lot of F1 2020-2021 and now 2022, I got really good at it and started wanting to see if maybe I have enough to race against pros. So by necessity I started watching a lot of Irl F1 races and following the sport to try and gain what knowledge I could and become a better sim racer. I’m currently saving to order a fanatec wheel and then I’m gonna try out for some actual championships online. Atm, I’m just practicing on a T300RS with a stock wheel and no clutch. So it’s kinda weird driving an F1 car with a round wheel, but it gets the job done I guess.
Today's cars still make the high-speed turn more efficiently and quickly with ground effect.
Is this your kind of content? SUBRCRIBED.
you just cannot compare these 2 qualy rounds. in 2015 you werent allowed to use softs in spain. you only had mediums and hards. also you didnt have the newly resurfaced corner we now have. so you basically have so much less grip that its just not comparable. give the car from 2015 softs and let it run on the track right now and the gap would be much much more narrow. obviously the 2020 car will still be quicker but then its a matter of 10kmh and not 70
Dammit if only Rosberg went 1 km/h slower
Not just how the aero and engine has changed, but also how the brakes have improved. Old braking point around 175 yet new braking point around 75🤯🤯🤯
more downforce = braking later
This vid deserves more attention
2014/15 cars certainly were slow over a lap, but the acceleration and top speed is some of the best we've seen. 68kph difference in apex speed, only 7kph difference at end of straight 2015. 2014 end of straight difference is only 3 or 4. Both in favour of 2020, but when the car has that much more grip it's not surprising. It shows how higher downforce can lead to reduced time on straights with much higher corner exit speed. Very extreme example of that, but it proves the point.
That's probably the difference between me at F1 2021 and eSports drivers.
Very good video! 👏
2015 They forgot to remove Traction Control.
tip-toeing through a corner versus accelerating through a corner. w11 was a monster
Would like to see a comparison from 2020 and the new 2022 cars. When the Spanish GP has been finished.
W11 was a beast and the best in my opinion..
Whatever you throw at it..
It's surely going to overcome with flying colours..
ich habe Motorsport schon immer geliebt
1:41 The Mercedes 2015 car is just the Williams 2020 car in disguise
Good video, thanks
This gets me excited for this new gen. Can't wait for them to figure it all out.
Size comparison is also interesting. Cars from 2015 and later look very tiny in comparison to nowadays F1 cars.
W11 ist the definition of driving on rails. Crazy grip and balance level
close to greatness
Interesting the top speed isn't that much different.2015 got to 305km/h an 2020 was only 312km/h so the acceleration must of been better in the 2015 as it was significantly slower in the corner.
That may have something to do with 2015 cars being significantly lighter.
@@Mark-zk3gu that would explain it as they use the same engine. I thought it was due to the rules requiring less downforce. So it was more a missile in a straight line then a squat monster.
Tf is that gear ratio of 2014😂
My man going 300 in 6th gear while he had 2 more spare gears
This really makes you think how Nico Rosberg was able to beat Hamilton in the same equipment
Hamilton is the most overrated driver ever. Look at Max now vs Sergio in the same car, it’s not even close. Yes, the RB19 is a great car but it takes an equally great driver to maximize its performance. Rosberg actually beat out Hamilton for a championship in that fastest car ever.
crazy how in the 2020 car the steering angle is slightly less as well.