Why You Shouldn't Use Free Orchestral Libraries (Edirol Orchestra Etc.)

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  • Опубліковано 13 тра 2019
  • Some of you aren't going to like this, but here's my thoughts on Edirol, Sonatina and the likes.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 642

  • @AlexMoukala
    @AlexMoukala  5 років тому +164

    I also want to stress this was a comparison with a VERY simple track.
    If I tried to do the same thing with my acutal complex orchestrations, such as this one, Sonatina / Edirol would be blown out of the water: ua-cam.com/video/tJ9wi_eoQpA/v-deo.html
    PS. Obviously this only applies if you aim to do music professionally in a field that does not accept lack of realism (which means most of them).
    There's some fields though, such as indie game soundtracks, where soundfonts would match the aestethic of games and are thus not a problem.

    • @alonsom.643
      @alonsom.643 5 років тому +3

      I challenge you to make an One Punch Man style track

    • @kduy1383
      @kduy1383 5 років тому

      Hi @Alex Moukala Tutorials :) I just wanted to ask you which DAW is the best to use? I'm a pianist but I am also interested in getting into orchestral arranging.

    • @woodyoulove-reynaldguibone6890
      @woodyoulove-reynaldguibone6890 5 років тому

      @@kduy1383 I think he'll recommend FL Studio because that's what he is using...

    • @user-xx8gw5nc8g
      @user-xx8gw5nc8g 4 роки тому

      Unfortunately practically all freebies required Full version of Kontakt which already costs 400$. But still thanks for the comparison.

    • @DanielSmith_19
      @DanielSmith_19 4 роки тому +1

      Great video, Alex. I just started out with FL studio and I'm using DSK Overture. Is Metropolis Ark a full Library for orchestral? It's not just like a string library or something?

  • @Niowiad
    @Niowiad 5 років тому +377

    00:55 conducting the orchestra with a mouse pointer like a boss

  • @PPedroFernandes
    @PPedroFernandes 5 років тому +190

    Why you shouldn't use 500 dollars libraries. I don't have 500 dollars.
    Although, I do understand your point perfectly

    • @WrektSK
      @WrektSK 3 роки тому +1

      You can get very, very decent orchestral libraries for 250-400 bucks nowadays, especially during sale.

    • @giftheck
      @giftheck 3 роки тому +2

      @@WrektSK Or some libraries are available on subscription, like SoundsOnline's ComposerCloud (he mentions it in the video as a suggestion - and some of those libraries in EWQL are used in films and trailers)

    • @WrektSK
      @WrektSK 3 роки тому +6

      @@giftheck Yeah those as well. I am personally not a fan of subscription services though. As someone just entering his 20s, it's hard to keep paying for something monthly. But yeah, what's worth it is worth it.

    • @giftheck
      @giftheck 3 роки тому +1

      @@WrektSK That's an understandable position.

    • @songfulmusicofsongs
      @songfulmusicofsongs 3 роки тому

      @@WrektSK It's better to know when the sale happens and where. I've never seen any yet. I'm a complete beginner in this stuff.

  • @DiegoJPinto
    @DiegoJPinto 4 роки тому +231

    But maybe I want my music to sound like Age of Empires II.

  • @l3gionmusic814
    @l3gionmusic814 4 роки тому +230

    Obviously when listened side by side it will sound like a large difference, but if you are just using the free stuff from the start you will really not notice any lack of quality. Obviously the people in the film industry etc. are really snobby about everything being as expensive and 'premium' as possible, but if you are just releasing the music yourself you shouldn't go out and waste all your money on some overpriced library.
    It is very difficult for music producers to ever get noticed at all. It isn't a matter of talent, there is loads of amazing music on UA-cam and Soundcloud with only a couple of plays, much of it is luck. It is also easy for those who already have loads of money and exposure to go on about how simple things are, or how cheap things are.

    • @maruko8324
      @maruko8324 3 роки тому +16

      Oh man this is very true.

    • @crystellik
      @crystellik 2 роки тому +3

      Indeed

    • @ABE2000
      @ABE2000 2 роки тому +3

      Very true.

    • @mikeluna2026
      @mikeluna2026 2 роки тому +3

      Well, if you just care about practicing composition or orchestration, then I'd just prefer using NotePerformer 3 + good mixing and extra reverb. It's cheaper than samples and can sound amazing out of the box. Though, the quality of the composition is a big factor. Large Ensembles/orchestras tend to sound the best and busy/fortissimo sections sound superb (I tried it with Flight to Neverland in Finale and it blew me away, haha...).

    • @AKMautla
      @AKMautla 2 роки тому

      Shut uuppp, he's not talking to those people.

  • @obsidiantrumpet8418
    @obsidiantrumpet8418 5 років тому +126

    Doesn't it make more sense to buy something that sounds good out of the box? Yeah sometimes but sometimes it is also extremely helpful to get along with free stuff because your own creativity will be more challenged.

  • @federicorenkine4340
    @federicorenkine4340 3 роки тому +52

    If you are just learning to score like me and its just a hobbe, use this:
    sonatina for windwoods, violin section and maybe the horn(in sustain(
    vsco: for solo violin or organ
    spitfireLabs: for string section, atmos, piano, mandolin
    The free orchesta projectSAM: some powerfull brass, and violon Staccato and more
    And last, percussion i download some samples from difrent places and use it with sforzando

    • @hedilium
      @hedilium 2 роки тому +1

      where did you download the percussion samples, pls tell me

    • @mikeluna2026
      @mikeluna2026 2 роки тому +1

      Like I said in another post, if you just care about practicing composition or orchestration, then I just prefer using NotePerformer 3 + good mixing and extra reverb. It's way cheaper than samples ($125) and can sound amazing out of the box. Though, the quality of the composition is a big factor. Large Ensembles/orchestras tend to sound the best and busy/fortissimo sections sound superb (I tried it with Flight to Neverland in Finale and it blew me away, haha...).

  • @RahShanProductionsMTU
    @RahShanProductionsMTU 5 років тому +360

    The free one sounds like runescape music lol

    • @agamaz5650
      @agamaz5650 5 років тому +9

      ikr haha insane how bad it sounds compared to the pro

    • @Fremmy
      @Fremmy 5 років тому +22

      woah, don't shame runescape.

    • @BlackLynx4607a
      @BlackLynx4607a 5 років тому +3

      I used Edirol Orchestra for two years, hahah. It's okay, if you're composing for a low budget game or something like that.

    • @mrquintontheone
      @mrquintontheone 4 роки тому +3

      Anybody else think that Sonatina at 8:50 sounds amazing?

    • @abishekraju8787
      @abishekraju8787 4 роки тому

      Lmfao XD

  • @grandhustle8711
    @grandhustle8711 5 років тому +71

    I‘m a Hip-Hop beat maker but still found this tutorial very useful. The knowledge you drop is very valuable no matter what type of music the viewer creates. Great video.

  • @deadalonethe1
    @deadalonethe1 5 років тому +23

    Dude, this is the first video of yours I've seen, and you are really inspiring. Keep it up!

  • @live-the-truth
    @live-the-truth 5 років тому +36

    Just a quick note: soundfonts aren't synthesized. That doesn't mean that they don't usually sound bad: they do typically. But to the best of my knowledge they are sampled. VST is a replacement format for SF2 etc. The differences you're hearing are all in the quality of the recordings (player skill, recording hardware quality, number of velocity layers and round robins recorded), the the ability of the programmer (who designed the package, compensating for the oddities of making recorded strings sound natural), and the limitations of the format (Kontakt via VST or SF2). I would hazard to say that if a large company decided to use SF2 to sample a professional library (as some have done) it would sound quite good, although not as good as Kontact because of the programming limitations of SF2. Sonatina was a university project I believe.

    • @willia_music
      @willia_music 5 років тому +1

      this

    • @fuglbird
      @fuglbird Рік тому

      Sonatina was made 10 years ago and you can hear that. I use the Sonatine because Spitfire BBC Orchestra has no choir and I also use the flutes. When using free libraries we need to be more flexible. I'm using a few classical compositions to evaluate the instruments from different plugins - sound and range.

    • @NathanEllery
      @NathanEllery 7 місяців тому

      "VST is a replacement format for SF2"
      Mixing your metaphors.
      SF2 is a sound font, a format to hold sound and some formatting to be triggered by a midi instruction/device.
      VST "is an audio plug-in software interface that integrates software synthesizers and effects units into digital audio workstations."
      A VST might have no sound fonts at all, using a synthesis engine to create sound.
      Some VST's might use a sound library of samples to build sound and it might use any format it chooses, one being Sound Fonts.

  • @garyharney3764
    @garyharney3764 4 роки тому +11

    Tough love that may have just persuaded me to go ahead and use my savings. Your channel is awesome man.

  • @kalenbaker7901
    @kalenbaker7901 4 роки тому +47

    I actually really like the free ones. Sounds like some dope dungeon synth. Guess it depends on your artistic intent and what you want to do with your sound.

    • @SlyHikari03
      @SlyHikari03 Рік тому

      Same.

    • @BVK.
      @BVK. 6 місяців тому

      Stylistic Choices

  • @neutrinosky3144
    @neutrinosky3144 5 років тому +250

    I used to use free libraries such as fl keys as piano, but now I can’t stand the sound, it sounds like playing plastic instead of playing the piano

    • @Casur1N
      @Casur1N 5 років тому +24

      Keyzone Classic has two pianos that sound pretty well, and if you have Kontakt "Piano in 162" by Ivy Audio is really good

    • @vodun270
      @vodun270 5 років тому +18

      Keyzone classic is the best free piano VST hands down

    • @agamaz5650
      @agamaz5650 5 років тому +4

      @@vodun270 pianoteq 6

    • @davidesp00
      @davidesp00 5 років тому +4

      4Front Piano is an AMAZING Free Piano VST

    • @r0zemary
      @r0zemary 5 років тому +6

      Try the piano packs from DirectWave

  • @freddyspaghetti1055
    @freddyspaghetti1055 5 років тому +44

    I personally use versillian chamber orchestra 2, (the free sfz version) and with velocity, key-switches and timing taken into account, i'd say it could be one of the most realistic sounding orchestras out there, with everything from organ, glockenspiel and nearly every drum and percussion instrument you'd find in an orchestra.
    So not the most epic sounding, but the most realistic.

    • @robotcoffin
      @robotcoffin 5 років тому

      I bought the paid version of that library and it was also easily worth it. I still find useful nuggets in there on certain projects I generally couldn't find anywhere else.

    • @petertremblay3725
      @petertremblay3725 4 роки тому +3

      Convolution reverb is the key to make them sound like pro!

    • @da5idnz
      @da5idnz 4 роки тому

      I know there are all these freebies going around, but I just can't afford Kontakt to run them in....

    • @cg19
      @cg19 3 роки тому

      @@da5idnz there's a free version of kontakt called kontakt player but it wont work if the library doesn't support it.

  • @DarkVayu
    @DarkVayu 5 років тому +18

    Pretty simple for me: if you want to be a professional music composer, invest.
    If you are doing things for fun, or for learning purposes, well, sonatina it's a good option.

  • @VivekTheMesmerizer
    @VivekTheMesmerizer 5 років тому +4

    Alex u r the best man and I don't want any other tutor. U r at the top man, keep teaching us. Thanks for your services Sir!! ❤️😊👌🙏

  • @elephantforceofficialmusic8914
    @elephantforceofficialmusic8914 5 років тому +36

    I understand the comparison. I've felt that the free ones are good for theory and those songs that need to sound synthetic. But if you really want realistic sounds save up and invest.

    • @infinitesauce8206
      @infinitesauce8206 5 років тому +6

      Yes, but I believe companies like Spitfire have good free options too (LABS) with more expensive ones, aswell (Kepler Orchestra). Not all free samples sound bad, for example most of the LABS collection is sampled from an actual orchestra.

  • @vektrr
    @vektrr Рік тому +3

    High quality fee orchestras on the market:
    - Palette Primary Colors by Red Room Audio. (requires full version of kontakt)
    -The Free Orchestra by ProjectSAM (works with Kontakt Player)
    -BBC Discover Orchestra by Spitfire Audio (they have an own host)
    - X3M Taikos by Strezov Sampling (requires kontakt full version)
    - The Big Bang Orchestra by Vienna Symphonic Library (they have an own host, but you will need to download ilok to use as an e-licenser that is free btw).
    - Labs by Spitfire Audio (isn't an orchestra, but have nice samples to use when creating a score/soundtrack).

  • @WilliamMorrisMusic
    @WilliamMorrisMusic 5 років тому +7

    For those starting out I think the full version of kontakt has to be a good option. You get a decent orchestral library and lots of other instruments but also the full version will allow you to use lots of the free and paid libraries available.

  • @Stormgnome
    @Stormgnome 5 років тому +34

    Just so you know, Sonatina isn't synthesized, it is all based on recordings. Not as many nor as good quality recordings(samples) as modern paid libraries but recordings none the less.
    I think Edirol is also sample based at least some of the instruments, again very old and very few samples.
    The rest is fair advice.

    • @leonwillett4645
      @leonwillett4645 5 років тому +13

      correct: the point is "use good samples" not "use samples that were expensive". The advice here could lead someone to ignore a great sound just because it was free, or use an expensive (but bad) library without additional thought.
      And there are many expensive but bad libraries :) (and there are some magnificent free sounds out there too!)

  • @SilloniusAeldarian
    @SilloniusAeldarian 5 років тому +55

    I recently using Sonatina, because im still learning orchestration, mixing and music theory. But i'll bought quality sample library someday

    • @LogansDarling
      @LogansDarling 5 років тому +24

      This comment really bothers me for some reason.

    • @LogansDarling
      @LogansDarling 5 років тому +3

      @Soul Muzic Productions No, I think it's the fact that it got 26 likes.

    • @ClicStudio
      @ClicStudio 5 років тому

      Sillonius Aeldarian Same

    • @RickyC0626
      @RickyC0626 5 років тому +2

      Not a lot of us have spare cash lying around, so the free libraries will make do for the time being.

    • @lordspongebobofhousesquare1616
      @lordspongebobofhousesquare1616 4 роки тому +1

      free libraries are fine if you're just learning

  • @pw6002
    @pw6002 5 років тому +5

    So.True.
    And I can only agree with the « freebies » tip.
    Performance Samples & Spitfire Labs are great choices (don’t know the others, will try them!), as well as the ComposerCloud.

  • @michatroschka
    @michatroschka 5 років тому +2

    You're right especially about the end, that time, money and effort thing. really enjoy your honest opinions and need that sometimes ;)

  • @giftheck
    @giftheck 3 роки тому +9

    The only reason I've used Edirol is for very specific sounds (for instance, certain percussion - or if I want the oboe from Nathan McCree's original Tomb Raiders) but I much prefer using the instruments I've got though the ComposerCloud subscription. I've even played around with other packages in the past. I know some of the stuff I've written certainly would not have sounded great or even come around if I had been using Edirol to make music.
    Edirol has its place, but I agree that it definitely shouldn't be used as a crutch.

  • @WhitesandComposer
    @WhitesandComposer 5 років тому +4

    wow, really well done on the Shore Mockup, sounds very great and big! I'm a huge LOTR fan myself!

    • @AlexMoukala
      @AlexMoukala  5 років тому +3

      Cheers!
      I think I'll do a full one someday. Got a bit of a weird idea already

    • @sotosonic413
      @sotosonic413 5 років тому +1

      @@AlexMoukala Yes please!

  • @thegrumpybeethoven
    @thegrumpybeethoven 4 роки тому

    Awesome. I really needed to hear this. Good video for many people.

  • @artetconscience
    @artetconscience 5 років тому +14

    Sonatina seems to be a little outdated now. Aside from the freebies you mentioned (unfortunately they all require a full version of Kontakt except for the labs ones) there are better free alternatives to Sonatina, such as VSCO2 (CE) and Virtual Playing Orchestra which are much more complete in terms of possibilities (keyswitches, articulations, dynamics for VPO, etc.). Indeed they can't compete with the sound of premium studio recorded libraries like Metropolis Ark or Albion but I think they may be enough for specific use of instruments (eg if you have a generalist but limited library) or for sketching.

  • @ARandomMinecraftVillager
    @ARandomMinecraftVillager 3 роки тому +9

    Ok, you are right, but here's my counterargument
    Me no have extra 500 dollars to spend on music that's gonna be in my project folders for all eternity

  • @majid__jafari
    @majid__jafari 5 років тому +2

    Hey Alex, it was a few months ago when i subscribed to your chanel and back then you had 20k subscribers. I just noticed you've grown up to 38k and i just wanted to share my happiness for you with you. Keep going man. You're gonna reach 1 million in a blink of an eye...
    Good luck man ;)

  • @CommanderJason
    @CommanderJason 5 років тому

    You truly are brilliant! Keep going man!

  • @mowburnt
    @mowburnt 4 роки тому +3

    I m 42. Ive always wanted to compose scores. I am learning piano and have really good hearing for pitches etc and spent A LOT of my 20s playing with sonic foundary Acid - loved that. From your experience what subjects and software do you recommend buying and learning and in which order? Very excited!

  • @drakejack4380
    @drakejack4380 5 років тому +3

    Hey @Alex Moukala Tutorials
    Does taking an online course make any difference than going to a music university
    And which online course would you recommend

    • @emanuel_soundtrack
      @emanuel_soundtrack 2 роки тому

      you need contact 1 to one to an artist that is established . Don’t waste time

  • @maruko8324
    @maruko8324 5 років тому

    I can clearly hear the difference between a good library to a synthesized one. Good job on this insight man.

  • @Midaspl
    @Midaspl 4 роки тому +8

    The problem with freebies like in 4:00 is that it still requires kotakt (full version) for like $300+... At that point you can get almost full one, good library that runs on kontakt player.

    • @da5idnz
      @da5idnz 4 роки тому +1

      Yep, you could get BBCSO Core on sale for that price.

  • @flying_dodo6076
    @flying_dodo6076 5 років тому +1

    Thanks for all the info. Just really getting into some of this. Quick question: I downloaded a few performance samples plugins. Very nice. However, they time out after 10 or 15 minutes with a "demo timeout" message under kontakt. I thought these were free? Am I just doing something wrong?

  • @abadmusician2176
    @abadmusician2176 5 років тому +1

    Thank you Alex. Very epic tutorial!

  • @Gilannun12
    @Gilannun12 5 років тому +4

    1. What do you think about SOVINOX instruments?
    2. I've used Virtual Playing Orchestra. It's a free sound library that can be played with Plogue's Sforzando. It can be a good (free) start for music composition. But it has it's problems.

    • @ThomC
      @ThomC 5 років тому +1

      For what it's worth, I really like Sonivox. There are some great staccatos, the string sustains can be very nice combined with other libraries, I like the flutes and some of the other winds. The brass staccatos are great, the room in which the instruments were recorded sounds great. Though there is no proper modwheel dynamics on the instruments which is a pity. But I personally like them :)

  • @KaugestadOlsen
    @KaugestadOlsen 2 роки тому +4

    I’ve tried making some orchestral tracks over the years just for fun, and only ever used the Logic Pro stock plugins. It took hours upon hours to make it sound even close to decent, but I learned a lot about how to get closer to the sound I wanted by utilizing what I had available to it’s fullest potential (relative to the degree of skill I had), and it forced me to pay very close attention to how I arranged my tracks.
    After coming across your videos recently, I pulled the trigger on Metropolis Ark 1-4 on a massive sale, and after a few hours of learning how to use it, it really feels like pay to win. But I also feel like what I learned from using free libraries for so long plays a big part in how easily I can use the instruments and articulations to get the sound I want, and identify the problem when something sounds off.
    To get to the point, those “hours you’re giving away for free” are hours well spent if you use them wisely, because you’ll learn a lot of valuable lessons. And when you finally move over to more professional libraries, it will give your music (and motivation) new life.

    • @eaccentaigu
      @eaccentaigu 2 роки тому +1

      Great insight

    • @emanuel_soundtrack
      @emanuel_soundtrack 2 роки тому

      totally agree. I scored my first film using only logic pro and ozone imager! This means i get hired based on this as well

  • @AndyChamberlainMusic
    @AndyChamberlainMusic 5 років тому +3

    the harsh truth with the harsh lighting lol
    thanks for the side-by-side though, thats a WORLD of difference.

  • @DevDungeon
    @DevDungeon 3 роки тому +1

    Next level tip with the FL Patcher and VFX Color Mapper. I had been wondering how to switch articulations and I figured you just had to include the control keys like the low C# into the piano roll.

  • @karthikgnanakumar3678
    @karthikgnanakumar3678 5 років тому +1

    What do you guys think about Sonuscore's The Orchestra, as compared to Spitfire's Albion One or Metropolis Ark 1?

    • @Tremendouz
      @Tremendouz 5 років тому

      The Orchestra only has the basic articulations, nothing too fancy. However I love the timbre of the orchestra and it's extremely lightweight so it loads fast even from a slow HDD (It's like 10GB total).

  • @MoeMentumBeats
    @MoeMentumBeats 4 роки тому

    Love these vids. Really interested in how you set up those settings in patcher too. Seems like a game changer.

  • @Chonasmusic
    @Chonasmusic 5 років тому +5

    This is super interesting even though I am not even producing orchestral music 👍🏽 I really enjoy seeing how people make their music and I always try to take notes for myself 👀

  • @ClicStudio
    @ClicStudio 5 років тому +1

    I just bought my first orchestral libraries thanks Alex for all the tips!

  • @LegionIvory
    @LegionIvory 5 років тому +4

    I tend to use two separate softwares for the sound I want.
    I use Finale for my original orchestral pieces, and FL Studio for my remixes and original gaming music. For FL Studio, I prefer more synthetic sounds, because it matches the atmosphere of gaming.
    However, you are absolutely correct. We *do* need legit libraries if we want high quality orchestral pieces.

  • @HelamanGile
    @HelamanGile 5 років тому +2

    Do you recommend fl studio over N track studios? What's your thoughts

  • @Boccaccio1811
    @Boccaccio1811 4 роки тому

    So I've written several pieces using Finale and I'm considering buying Kontakt... but my question is, how would I get the finale music files to play using sound libraries from Kontakt? I'm still new to most of this

  • @CedricMialaret
    @CedricMialaret 5 років тому +63

    TLDR: Don't drink beer.

  • @notchillustgrhymecity5904
    @notchillustgrhymecity5904 5 місяців тому

    I kno this is 4 years old but still on point today thanks King BlessUp

  • @fabianvanderelst9643
    @fabianvanderelst9643 5 років тому

    To be honest, I am completely new to this all, and I've only got Cakewalk ( which is free) and use the default string plugins, and for what I want to have it's probably good enough, I think. I'm not planning on making full orchestra songs, rather planning on writing huge songs, guitar/drums/bass/vocal based, and maybe wanna add some spice to it by using strings. Would it make a huge difference would you think?

  • @MortenChristian
    @MortenChristian 5 років тому +2

    Composer Cloud is amazing. Can totally recommend it!

  • @speeedwaagon
    @speeedwaagon 5 років тому +2

    Please do a tutorial on the thing you do in patcher, that stuff could be so useful with hybrid stuff 🙏

  • @graysonsolis
    @graysonsolis 3 роки тому +6

    Edirol is amazing if you play around with it, honestly

    • @gregoriysharapov1936
      @gregoriysharapov1936 3 роки тому +1

      Heh, didn't think of seeing you here!

    • @jakedaniel3763
      @jakedaniel3763 3 роки тому +2

      True. EQ work , compression, panning, etc. can bring out a pretty organic sound.

  • @pedrokoury1352
    @pedrokoury1352 4 роки тому

    If I want to (mainly) compose music like Jeremy Soule, what orchestral library do you recommend?

  • @campbellaudiomastering6503
    @campbellaudiomastering6503 5 років тому

    Hey Alex,
    Thanks for all the videos! Do you ever use hits/risers from Splice for your work with library tracks?
    Thanks,
    Darren

  • @lonelysorrowknight
    @lonelysorrowknight 5 років тому +1

    Anyone have any recommendations for a beginner? I know my music theory and orchestrations fundamentals but am pretty new to DAWs and digital production. I'm still a student so I'm hoping for something bang-for-the-buck.

    • @LittleRichard1988
      @LittleRichard1988 4 роки тому

      Start off with the VSTs that come with your DAW then look into freeware VSTs ( there are humdreds of free VSTs ).
      Once you are more experienced then maybe look into commercial VST instruments.

  • @romualdphillip666
    @romualdphillip666 4 роки тому +1

    I'm currently using those free stuff.....sonatina and edirol are a couple of those. Its very time consuming. I did learn a few tricks over the 8 months since I start goin into orchestral music at the start of this year. However it's very frustrating sometimes to do alot of things on them just to get them sound alittle better than they originally are. I do plan to purchase a good library in the near future. But at the moment I can't afford one yet. Oh and Alex what do you think of Audio Imperia's Nucleus?

  • @johnpenguin9188
    @johnpenguin9188 5 років тому +2

    Very educational.
    The working composers I know all buy huge numbers of libraries. As a humble synth-head I can sympathize, after all I have at least a half-dozen FM synths.

    • @AlexMoukala
      @AlexMoukala  5 років тому +2

      Yep, and the cool thing is that you can even be good with just 3-4 great libraries.
      No need to spend an incredible amount either if you buy them on sale.
      Then of course, the more you have, the more freedom you get but I'd argue it's best to build a collection over the span of many years, so that you have the time to master each library you buy 100% before hopping on a new one

  • @Likwidl
    @Likwidl 4 роки тому +4

    I totally agree with your points but everyone has to start somewhere so probably the free stuff are good for starters.

  • @thepeople6248
    @thepeople6248 5 років тому

    Love your presentation when Everytime you finish saying something and ended with...TOTETTOEEEEEETTOEEEEET !!!
    Always gets me bro 😆

  • @c14n_
    @c14n_ 5 років тому +2

    Dropped my free library for Jaeger just now. While I am unable to get anywhere close to its full utility as compared to you, a beginner like myself will eventually have to make the switch some day. It's not going to be cheaper on "some day" so I might as well get it now and in the meanwhile face marginally less amounts of frustration while learning.

  • @ComposingGloves
    @ComposingGloves 5 років тому +2

    Great video! Always enjoy your content. Really like the comparison. I still remember the first time I actually bought a hefty lib from spitfire. Blew my mind how much better it sounded and started a bad trend for my wallet. XD Just a side note, Soundfont files are sample based and then they use the samples to "synthesize" the rest of the instrument similar to making an entire instrument in kontakt with only a couple samples, so its really sample based, just nowhere near the level of proper libs. Shreddage is an example that exists in both .nki and soundfont files.

  • @tecnoline57
    @tecnoline57 2 роки тому

    Optimal !!!!
    Thank you!!!
    What do you think of the orchestral plug-ins in Logic pro x?

  • @aimbot165
    @aimbot165 Рік тому +1

    In my opinion I like the lower quality version, it gives the music a certain sound and feeling that I really like. also getting random soundfonts and using new samples really peaks my inspiration.

  • @SweeperCreations
    @SweeperCreations 5 років тому

    Hey Alex, I’m completely new to creating music. I’ve never taken music classes nor can I play any instruments. Recently I’ve been watching lots of your videos and reading up lots about it because I really enjoy it. I’m still obviously in the very beginning stages of learning to create orchestral pieces, and I’m wondering, when would you suggest it’s important to actually invest money? Right now, I feel like it’s not that important for me to have great VSTs because I’m still learning the very basics of music. But at what point should I expect to start investing money into good libraries to get better?

    • @artetconscience
      @artetconscience 5 років тому +1

      When you will feel limited by your free library, then it's time to upgrade. It also depends on what you want to achieve with your music. Every paid library has its purpose. The library itself will not make you become a great composer but it certainly plays a part in how the final result (let's say it will not save a bad composition, but rather make a good one embellished and truly more believable and convincing in terms of realism; that's even more true for orchestral music). And of course if you create a lot of music to become a professional, then you have no choice: invest in your education and in your work tools (such as libraries), like every other industries do.

    • @adventuresincreativesoftwa6283
      @adventuresincreativesoftwa6283 5 років тому +1

      I'd be wary of spending too much money right at the outset, because there's a fair chance that in about 6 or 12 months time, you might end up wishing you'd spent it differently. If you hold off until you've got more experience, there's a better chance that you'll spend your money on things which are valuable to you, for years to come. Just my 2 cents.

  • @faaip0de0oaid
    @faaip0de0oaid 4 роки тому

    what course do you recommend to learn orchestral composition, and how to work that with your DAW?

  • @nikolaikononov695
    @nikolaikononov695 5 років тому

    Hi Alex I’m a big fan of your work.
    I watched almost all of your videos I meant to say tutorials in one day. The amount of useful information I was able to obtain is incredible. Thank you. Keep up the good work. I would also like to get your opinion on the quality of samples of the Sonos core orchestra. Please let me know. Thanks again

  • @HOWARDdlx
    @HOWARDdlx 4 роки тому

    Hi Alex, first i love your videos! they've helped a bunch in my education. You've mentioned investing in courses and education. What are you're suggestions for resources to invest in, be it online courses, college courses, mentoring, or books?

  • @rafaelhernandez5550
    @rafaelhernandez5550 3 роки тому

    I have to add in my own experience. I had following your channel for some time now and love your tutorials. Thanks to you Alex., I had taken the EVENANT COURSE and today 5 days after taking class. I can say that, this is one of my best investment in my Recording Studio. You will see the change in my composition very soon. My youtube channel will tell the improve of my music. I got the tools and the piano skill, but I didn`t know how to do the orquestation. You guide me to the right place, and I will be gratefull all my life for it. Thanks

  • @peterstiens
    @peterstiens 4 роки тому

    thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. Regards from Germany.

  • @Norbert.Gardonyi
    @Norbert.Gardonyi 5 років тому +1

    6:21 What kind of libraries can do that? Do you by any chance have a tutorial on that? What is this method even called? thanks ^^

    • @AlexMoukala
      @AlexMoukala  5 років тому

      The plugin is called BRSO Articulate, and it works with any library that has keyswitches. ua-cam.com/video/6xW02Px3D80/v-deo.html

  • @srbotero
    @srbotero 5 років тому

    I dont know which plugins to buy for great quality orchestra music , quantum leap or native instruments symphony series , what do you recommend me?

    • @AlexMoukala
      @AlexMoukala  5 років тому

      I'd go with Hollywood Orchestra included in Composer Cloud to get started.
      Then once you want to delve deeper in a specific genre, you can buy a specific library for that depending on how it sounds to you

  • @MAR2TV
    @MAR2TV 5 років тому

    What are those lines crossing in the patterns? in the playlist section, it looks like automation clips ?????????

  • @masterstacker2833
    @masterstacker2833 4 роки тому

    Alex, you are a treasure. A wealth of Orchestral plug-in info here. Not yet ready to buy but I did pick up Layers (free) from orchestraltools as a starter. I just found out about and downloaded Labs (free) yesterday from spitfireaudio. There is also BBC Symphony Orchestra which you can also get for free from spitfire if you fill out a questionnaire, which I did.

  • @studentmusician2184
    @studentmusician2184 Рік тому

    I've heard a lot about Musesounds. What would be your opinion on that?

  • @ostrabeatz2815
    @ostrabeatz2815 5 років тому

    Very informative comparison. Nice video.

  • @Darro2017
    @Darro2017 4 роки тому

    Hi Alex did You hear about VSL Big Bang Orchesta ? I must admit that this is also a great library ?

  • @nicolaskemp6057
    @nicolaskemp6057 4 роки тому

    Do yo Know if Garritan Personal and Instant orchestra it's Proffessional Enough? I just cant get the sound i want from them :c

  • @snarf1504
    @snarf1504 5 років тому +2

    Wait that stuff with patcher actually seemed very interesting! Could you link to a tutorial on it? (Or make a quick one yourself?)

    • @AlexMoukala
      @AlexMoukala  5 років тому +1

      I'll surely talk about Patcher in the future more in depth, still have to find a way to employ it with the libraries I use frequently recommend

  • @ArturoAlbero
    @ArturoAlbero 5 років тому +2

    I loved that you used the beer = money analogy. I used it all the time whenever I try to justify an investment (you know, this Virtual Instrument/game is just three beers or two saturday night).
    For most of those freebies you need full Kontakt, which is not free... That's why Spitfire LABS uses its own plugin, to be completely free.
    And, well, you could also apply this topic to classical background composers who used all their life Sibelius/Finale/Dorico-like programs and expect people to listen to their music as they do... Oh, I can relate a LOT of this. I wish in my music school they have taugh us how to use properly DAWs and virtual instruments, not Notation editors (which are great, but far easier to master an less useful to actually do music). And it is related with the free instruments, as the problem is the same: Sound Quality.
    You can't expect people to imagine your music as it would sound in an ideal world. You have to deliver quality. And this requires a lot of skill and training time!
    Thanks Alex, great video!

    • @augusto7681
      @augusto7681 5 років тому +1

      The sounds from Sibelius and stuff sound terrible. Any free plugin in fl studio are more decent.

  • @drakejack4380
    @drakejack4380 5 років тому +3

    Hey, @Alex Moukala Tutorials Can you please make a review on Miroslav Philharmonik 2

    • @komalthecoolk
      @komalthecoolk 5 років тому

      i asked him. He doesn't want to because his friends don't recommend it. I feel it's a great budget library frequently available at 50% off

  • @leojosepila3005
    @leojosepila3005 8 місяців тому

    You can actually trigger articulations in sonatina, we've discovered it accidentally because it isn't in the module, in the violin section the switches starts at C3 to G#3. In the Cello section it is in c2 to D#.

  • @thatonedude2619
    @thatonedude2619 5 років тому +1

    How important do you say learning music theory is?

  • @By-UMusic
    @By-UMusic 3 роки тому

    Alex, Can you make a tutorial how to use Patcher like you did on this video ?

  • @michaelcostello8007
    @michaelcostello8007 4 роки тому

    i like the sonatina. though it fades in and out in sound. is this the program??

  • @HinoarashiSuzaku
    @HinoarashiSuzaku Місяць тому

    What do you think about Miroslav Philarmonik 2? I got this in a SampleTank MAX promo

  • @MS-xk1ne
    @MS-xk1ne 3 роки тому +1

    Please review Layers by Orchestral Tools. It's free and recorded using irl instuments. Just discovered and started using but idk what I'm doing wrong. If I use it as an instrument in a DAW, it just clashes with everything and sounds out of tune and idk how or why cos alone it sounds amazing.

  • @earthquakemusic3923
    @earthquakemusic3923 4 роки тому

    Hey alex:) @ 4:48 you were talking about a trailer placement using MA1 which trailer was it I wanna hear that track^^
    I bought MA1 two days ago on sale for 326€ and I freaking love it. I really hope it works out for me as it worked out for you;) saw your interview with orchestral tools too. very cool

  • @etherealaesthetics4706
    @etherealaesthetics4706 4 роки тому

    I subbed and liked the video. It was very informative. Thank you peace and Love

  • @MrHasan1994
    @MrHasan1994 5 років тому

    How do you control dynamics with EastWest Composer Cloud instruments? I can't find the controls

    • @andreasgajewski9524
      @andreasgajewski9524 5 років тому +1

      depending on your DAW in the same window in which you programm your MIDI. If you record with modwheel you should diretctly see the results in the MIDI-clip you´re working on. Just google for the EW Instrument manuals. They´re written pretty simple

    • @captainvoluntaryistthestat3207
      @captainvoluntaryistthestat3207 5 років тому +1

      What DAW you use?

  • @mokshavortice
    @mokshavortice 5 років тому +1

    What's your opinion on Miroslav Philharmonic?

  • @danielborborema1256
    @danielborborema1256 4 роки тому

    I have a question, can I use Edirol yet? Even though he was removed from the catalog? Cracking it still illegal?

    • @LittleRichard1988
      @LittleRichard1988 4 роки тому +1

      I downloaded it and it works fine, the only people who are accountable are the people who distribute it.
      But to be honest the Edirol brand is dead in the water so it's unlikely that Roland will ever get wind of it.
      If it's still available of course you can download it.

  • @natehubbardmusic8146
    @natehubbardmusic8146 3 роки тому +10

    “Why you shouldn’t be poor” 😂

  • @DjMennoGamingNL
    @DjMennoGamingNL 5 років тому +1

    I don’t subscribe to channels quickly, but damn you know what you’re talking about

  • @LG51hacker
    @LG51hacker 5 років тому

    What do you think about composer cloud?

  • @nicgolding2093
    @nicgolding2093 4 роки тому

    What's the general opinion of Sonuscore The Orchestra?

  • @luismrguimaraes
    @luismrguimaraes 4 роки тому

    Wait how did you assemble each colour to a different articulation?

  • @mpoweron
    @mpoweron 5 років тому

    I understood much but i kept hearing adderal here and adderal there. Isn't that something one can snort and stay up all night to attempt to produce dope? It's not all that readily available here where I'm at. But it could come in handy I heard when you're dealing with tight deadlines.

  • @SarusukeTakatsuki
    @SarusukeTakatsuki 5 років тому

    Thank you for the words