@@danielunedotarigan5457 karena, tujuan opung I.L Nommensen pada waktu itu hanya menyebarkan Injil ke tanah Batak, namun budaya lutheran dari Jerman tidak dibawa ke sini, alhasil tata ibadah dsb nya hanya berasal dari serapan lutheran (mengikuti tempat asal Nommensen), karena itulah HKBP tidak 100% murni lutheran
Gereja HKBP adalah Lutheran namun sangat-sangat tidak murni 100% Lutheran,sudah jauh berbeda dari Gereja Lutheran Jerman,di Jerman masih menyerupai Katolik,terdapat patung dan juga menggunakan tanda salib sebagai pengawalan doa dan pengakhiran doa. sesungguhnya Lutheran di Indonesia tidak sama dengan Lutheran di negara asalnya,yaitu Jerman. salam dari mantan jemaat HKBP,now i'm Catholic segala puji bagi Allah di tempat yang Maha Tinggi.🙏
Sad to see the Lutherans in Russia falling to Western feminist influences. Even in my American LCMS church we stick to the traditions, despite the fact that neighbors constantly complain about it.
There are conservative Lutheran Churches in Russia. One Of them is the Church of Ingria (ELCI). I am a member of the Church of Ingria, we do not have a female priesthood. As far as I know, the Church of Ingria and the Church of Missouri Synod have communion.
Some missionaries from Bavaria led by Rev. Johannes Flierl came to New Guinea via Australia in 1886. We more than a 130 years old, 5th generation and conservative. Proud to see our brethren Russian Lutheran Church and believe that God will continue to bless their progress like us.
@@vallentinosaerang1035 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:9-15, Ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3:1-6, Titus 2:1-6 Overseer, Deacon & Elder are to be the husband of one wife 1 Timothy 3:2-3, Titus 1:6-7, 1 Timothy 3:11-12 Women are to cover their head in the Church 1 Corinthians 11:1-34
Hello brother It is good if you also pay attention to whom apostle Paul was speaking to then. 1 Corinthians 14:34 : women must be silent If this functions as a rule for all churches in Paul’s time , then Paul is forbidding women from speaking in church, especially during worship, and is likely doing so for reasons specific to his first-century Graeco-Roman context In this case Paul's prohibition may apply specifically to women who were speaking in tongues or uttering prophesies in an inappropriate manner. (In scripture Paul also says that it is not good to speak in tounges in church if there is no translation, for what will a new believer understand by such tounges. By this Paul is not saying not to speak in tounges by any means ) Alternatively, he may be addressing women who were disrupting worship services with questions and thereby challenging the authority of their husbands. Ultimately, Paul’s goal in the passage is to reestablish order in worship, not to demean the honor of women or devalue their worship of God. When Paul says '' .....just as the law also says (1 Cor 9:8 , 14:21, 14:34-35) " this is not a quotation nor does it match the content of any old testament law. It may refer to Gen 2:18-24, in which God created Adam first and Eve second. It is also possible that this refers to Gen 3:16, where God pronounces that the woman shall desire her husband. 1 Corinthians 11:11-12 (KJV 1900): Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. The bottom line is God wants to be in fellowship with both men and women. If a woman becomes a priest to God there is no issue as long as the law is something to be concerned about and by doing so no rules or law is broken because we are free from the law. (By this I don't mean we are free to sin)
@@mosessamuelsukdulary893 There is no such thing as a "priest" in the NT, the only high priest is Christ, himself and the church as a whole is a royal priesthood. However there are Presbyters, or elders (or pastors), but these can only be men of godly repute, humbly and not given to drunkeness or greed, God does not contradict himself. The Scriptures are clear on this issue. God bless.
video gamesman Wrong. Lutherans are full heretics and Orthodox are schismatics. We have never been friends and we will never be if those two remain in their mistakes.
@@luisrincon7819 wrong, protestants are heretical and wrong, Roman Catholic is schismatic and heretical, RCC add so many false teaching like purgatory, immaculate conception and Supreme papacy. Only Orthodox the only real undivided Church of Catholic
I PsalmistBob....I will grant you that...no all Lutherans....but the Lutheran hierarchy endorses Sodomite/Lesbian clergy in the pulpit....both in Europe and USA. Peace.
PsalmistBob lutherans themselves are liberals, their absolute relativism and refusal to debate shows it. They live in error and don't want to be shown to be wrong.
it is almost the same as the Catholic return to the twenty-one teaching Although it is different, I am Indonesian Catholic proud to see this brotherhood
1:50 Bullshit. I met a couple of German businessmen who work in Russia. They say that the Russians generally respect Germans (both foreigners and ethnic German Russians) and look up to Germany as a nation that contributed greatly to the development of the Western civilization. For this reason I place this video in the genre it belongs to.
Traditional protestant churches use bells, and have organs. The modern American "protestant" churches which use keyboards and guitars are not traditional Protestants.
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Beautiful. Im not lutheran but Im an ex catholic. This reminisce my past curiosity about the diversity within christianity. All the best to this young archbishop.
@@jeiffanlee9980 good for you. I'm a grateful Buddhist now but my parents still Roman Catholic. There are Old Catholics and Independent Catholics around the world also. All the best to your new faith.
Confessional orthodox Lutheran do not permit the ordination of women. The lutheran Workld Federation is a female dominated organization that is no longer Lutheran and whose churches are all oin serious decline.
The original Protestant tradition is to use a liturgical style of worship, with organs to provide the music. The larger churches will have an organ in the front and in the back. The American "protestant" churches that do all that rock and roll nonsense are not part of the original Protestant churches.
In my country, Indonesia, the Lutherans I know are not like this Lutherans here do not recognize a Liturgy that is similar to Catholicism, but their Liturgy is all the same as other Protestants such as Calvinists And they didn't make the sign of the cross.
That's beautiful..America is at a loss the EVS has caused declining numbers ,German is yesterday,I was told get over it by some twenty yr. Old.I'm 68 yrs old my great grandparents came over in 1858,Yauck.the other side Parker society.Weller on the other end.Karl David sends you blessing.
@@olivianigealabhain893 No offense but what reason would you have to? Lutherans do not believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and believe in Consubstantiation not Transubstanitation which was condemned a heresy by the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages.
@@olivianigealabhain893Catholics believe that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist Lutherans believe don't. So I'm wondering what your reasoning to take Lutheran communion would be if it's not Christ's real presence.
Reyhanzil salceda i lived in brgy milagrosa alang alang leyte philippines ..the house is both side mr cyrus mueva and bonn.camaya lintoco and radda camaya lintoco and teofiesta Quiza and bimbo marmita and radda camaya lintoco
But I know for sure that Christ loves everyone that worships him, the big question is why do we have to do it our way and split Christ up into little pieces? God bless us all!
@Josh the Rock of the Church wasn't Peter, it was the confession of Faith Peter made. It's why shortly after Jesus says this whole Rock of the Church thing, He reiterates how sinful Peter and all men are. "Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's." (Matthew 16:23) Furthermore, this following verse clarifies even further that we don't need this Petrine sulremacy business built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, (Ephesians 2:20)
Orthodoxy is the True Church...... Don't be deceived Orthodox brethren of mine, keep the Traditions as the Apostles gave them to us Greeks and later Sts Cyril and Methodius to you!
EITA MISÉRIA BOA OXENTE. CADE MEU MEU AUXILIO BRASIL? ONDE? O NIS FINAL NUMERO 4 DIA 21 DE JANEIRO NA SEXTA FUI MOOOO PORRETA NA CAIXA ECONOMICA FEDERAL E DISSERAM NA MAIOR CARA DE TONHOS NÃO TEM NADA! COMO SE É MAXIMO 200 POR PESSOA NO APE! OXENTE TO RICA?FALO ASSIM MORADORA DE SANTOS, ME PERGUNTAM PORQUE, PORRETA DEVE SER O CORONA! CADE MEU AUXILIO BRASIL? MINHA CONTA ZERADA!
i enjoyed watching it. I am a lutheran, I am HKBP from Indonesia
Wkwk.. Hkbp ga murni lutheran
@@davidkarnesius5154 Why?
@@davidkarnesius5154 maunya tuh di jelasin gitu loh. jangan ketik terus di gantung, wkwkwk.....
@@danielunedotarigan5457 karena, tujuan opung I.L Nommensen pada waktu itu hanya menyebarkan Injil ke tanah Batak, namun budaya lutheran dari Jerman tidak dibawa ke sini, alhasil tata ibadah dsb nya hanya berasal dari serapan lutheran (mengikuti tempat asal Nommensen), karena itulah HKBP tidak 100% murni lutheran
Gereja HKBP adalah Lutheran namun sangat-sangat tidak murni 100% Lutheran,sudah jauh berbeda dari Gereja Lutheran Jerman,di Jerman masih menyerupai Katolik,terdapat patung dan juga menggunakan tanda salib sebagai pengawalan doa dan pengakhiran doa.
sesungguhnya Lutheran di Indonesia tidak sama dengan Lutheran di negara asalnya,yaitu Jerman.
salam dari mantan jemaat HKBP,now i'm Catholic segala puji bagi Allah di tempat yang Maha Tinggi.🙏
There is no escaping the German roots of the Lutheran church. My Parents were married in a Lutheran church and I was baptized Lutheran as an infant.
Sad to see the Lutherans in Russia falling to Western feminist influences. Even in my American LCMS church we stick to the traditions, despite the fact that neighbors constantly complain about it.
I too attend the LCMS, here in Missouri. Wonderful church, faithful to the scriptures.
There are conservative Lutheran Churches in Russia. One Of them is the Church of Ingria (ELCI). I am a member of the Church of Ingria, we do not have a female priesthood. As far as I know, the Church of Ingria and the Church of Missouri Synod have communion.
@@marcusgrunniuscorocotta9656 - Many blessing to you. Jesus is Lord!
Some missionaries from Bavaria led by Rev. Johannes Flierl came to New Guinea via Australia in 1886. We more than a 130 years old, 5th generation and conservative. Proud to see our brethren Russian Lutheran Church and believe that God will continue to bless their progress like us.
💯💯💯
Such an inspiring story!
Pls pray for my studies and family members
@ sure
This story is so beautiful and interesting!
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The last Tzarina, the Empress Alexandra, was a Lutheran.
Half truth. She converted to Orthodoxy and her sister became an Orthodox nun.
Bible states women are not allowed to be pastors. They are to remain silent at the church. I can and will quote scripture if you object!
u need to learn hermeneutics
@@vallentinosaerang1035 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, 1 Timothy 2:9-15, Ephesians 5:22-24, 1 Peter 3:1-6, Titus 2:1-6 Overseer, Deacon & Elder are to be the husband of one wife 1 Timothy 3:2-3, Titus 1:6-7, 1 Timothy 3:11-12 Women are to cover their head in the Church 1 Corinthians 11:1-34
Hello brother
It is good if you also pay attention to whom apostle Paul was speaking to then.
1 Corinthians 14:34 : women must be silent If this functions as a rule for all churches in Paul’s time , then Paul is forbidding women from speaking in church, especially during worship, and is likely doing so for reasons specific to his first-century Graeco-Roman context
In this case Paul's prohibition may apply specifically to women who were speaking in tongues or uttering prophesies in an inappropriate manner.
(In scripture Paul also says that it is not good to speak in tounges in church if there is no translation, for what will a new believer understand by such tounges. By this Paul is not saying not to speak in tounges by any means )
Alternatively, he may be addressing women who were disrupting worship services with questions and thereby challenging the authority of their husbands. Ultimately, Paul’s goal in the passage is to reestablish order in worship, not to demean the honor of women or devalue their worship of God.
When Paul says '' .....just as the law also says (1 Cor 9:8 , 14:21, 14:34-35) "
this is not a quotation nor does it match the content of any old testament law. It may refer to Gen 2:18-24, in which God created Adam first and Eve second. It is also possible that this refers to Gen 3:16, where God pronounces that the woman shall desire her husband.
1 Corinthians 11:11-12 (KJV 1900): Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
The bottom line is God wants to be in fellowship with both men and women.
If a woman becomes a priest to God there is no issue as long as the law is something to be concerned about and by doing so no rules or law is broken because we are free from the law.
(By this I don't mean we are free to sin)
Agree! Lutheran church is heretic
@@mosessamuelsukdulary893
There is no such thing as a "priest" in the NT, the only high priest is Christ, himself and the church as a whole is a royal priesthood. However there are Presbyters, or elders (or pastors), but these can only be men of godly repute, humbly and not given to drunkeness or greed, God does not contradict himself. The Scriptures are clear on this issue. God bless.
Nice to Orthodox,Catholics & Lutherans all friends. Since we all believe in all the same gospel
video gamesman Wrong. Lutherans are full heretics and Orthodox are schismatics. We have never been friends and we will never be if those two remain in their mistakes.
That's right
@@luisrincon7819 actually Catholics are the schismatics. Orthodox is true and unchanging. Everybody else needs to come home and repent.
@@luisrincon7819 wrong, protestants are heretical and wrong, Roman Catholic is schismatic and heretical, RCC add so many false teaching like purgatory, immaculate conception and Supreme papacy.
Only Orthodox the only real undivided Church of Catholic
LUTHERANS BEAUTIFUL CHURCH A MIGHTY FORTRESS IS OUR GOD
His german expression is flawless.
"his wife is also a pastor". Apostate church. Not a true confessional lutheran church
@@henrybemis8913 Not all Lutherans, only the liberal ones
I PsalmistBob....I will grant you that...no all Lutherans....but the Lutheran hierarchy endorses Sodomite/Lesbian clergy in the pulpit....both in Europe and USA. Peace.
California Lewis That is lutheranism, nothing weird coming from a sect founded by a crazy german drunkard while he was doing his needs at the toilet.
PsalmistBob lutherans themselves are liberals, their absolute relativism and refusal to debate shows it. They live in error and don't want to be shown to be wrong.
Show me in the Book of Concord where it says only men can be pastors. Stop condemning the work of God's Holy Spirit.
I am Catholic from Costa Rica, I hope some day we can stay together.
Amen,in the name of our Allah Yahweh we'll to be One,i'm Catholic too..From Indonesia.🙏
me too. I am Catholic. I wish we would be together with Lutherans. Lutherans are good people. I grew up in a Lutheran neighborhood. Good neighbors.
it is almost the same as the Catholic return to the twenty-one teaching Although it is different, I am Indonesian Catholic proud to see this brotherhood
Wrong!
@@catholic3dod790 What Wrong
I, as a Catholic, have never seen this kind of event. Protestants carry out the sign of the cross and the Eucharist
@@albertuslbiantong1120
You are still wrong again.
@@catholic3dod790 I am confused with you are you Protestant or Catholic?
@@albertuslbiantong1120
Look at my name. I will explain later. I am going to bed.
1:50 Bullshit. I met a couple of German businessmen who work in Russia. They say that the Russians generally respect Germans (both foreigners and ethnic German Russians) and look up to Germany as a nation that contributed greatly to the development of the Western civilization.
For this reason I place this video in the genre it belongs to.
It Would Depend On Their Age. Some Russians Recall World War Two ( 2 )
Look up to?
Protestant from INDIA🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳✝️✝️✝️ GO FORWARD YESHUA is with u
I ❤ lutheran
Do Protestant churches use bells?
Of course
Da yes we have for centuries
Traditional protestant churches use bells, and have organs. The modern American "protestant" churches which use keyboards and guitars are not traditional Protestants.
I still learning Russian Language because it important to me because I got Adopted there in 1995 wow don't get me wrong I truly love USA Country🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I can't wait for the re-emergence of german christian thinking.
Josh sure, but remove the papacy first
@@talentsibarani6976 can't remove what Jesus established, Matthew 16:18
@@MrISkater Papacy is totaly a human invention
@@antonslavik4907 Matthew 16:18
@@MrISkater Octavius Augustus was a successor of Jesus?
Inspiring. To have an archbishop at 33
Beautiful. Im not lutheran but Im an ex catholic. This reminisce my past curiosity about the diversity within christianity. All the best to this young archbishop.
wow,i'm ex Lutheran Protestant..now i'm Catholic.😀🙏
@@jeiffanlee9980 good for you. I'm a grateful Buddhist now but my parents still Roman Catholic. There are Old Catholics and Independent Catholics around the world also. All the best to your new faith.
@XboxxAye how can you be a mahayanist and a lutheran/anglican? are you ELCA or something?
The Bible doesn't permit to ordain women! So do Lutherans! But in this video his wife is also a pastor! so sad to see it!
These are heretical liberal Lutherans, confessional Lutherans (and the Bible) reject female pastors.
Confessional orthodox Lutheran do not permit the ordination of women. The lutheran Workld Federation is a female dominated organization that is no longer Lutheran and whose churches are all oin serious decline.
I'm Lutheran from Papua New Guinea 🙏
Keep in mind that Lutherans worship the same God as Catholics and Orthodox. In terms of recognition, the deity remains the same, namely God Jesus.
Is this Protestant Church ?
Yes
Yup,lutherans are the first protestants
The original Protestant tradition is to use a liturgical style of worship, with organs to provide the music. The larger churches will have an organ in the front and in the back. The American "protestant" churches that do all that rock and roll nonsense are not part of the original Protestant churches.
I am catholic from indonesia
sehr interessant!
That final blessing was in German!!
In my country, Indonesia, the Lutherans I know are not like this Lutherans here do not recognize a Liturgy that is similar to Catholicism, but their Liturgy is all the same as other Protestants such as Calvinists And they didn't make the sign of the cross.
Talk negative , that helps!
That's beautiful..America is at a loss the EVS has caused declining numbers ,German is yesterday,I was told get over it by some twenty yr. Old.I'm 68 yrs old my great grandparents came over in 1858,Yauck.the other side Parker society.Weller on the other end.Karl David sends you blessing.
Ok I’m Roman Catholic (From Ireland 🇮🇪) but my nephew is Danish (and I’m his God Mother ) can I get communion only or not at All ???
Bro Joegan The reason I ask is I have another Christening (Baptism) soon in a Lutheran Church and I would like to receive communion???
Groaty McOats Thanks for the information 😮🤔😉
@@olivianigealabhain893 No offense but what reason would you have to? Lutherans do not believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and believe in Consubstantiation not Transubstanitation which was condemned a heresy by the Catholic Church during the Middle Ages.
@@AdamAfterlife what???
@@olivianigealabhain893Catholics believe that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist Lutherans believe don't. So I'm wondering what your reasoning to take Lutheran communion would be if it's not Christ's real presence.
Meanwhile Catholic bishops are living the highlife with lots of money and little boys. Party on!
No there not
Your comment is pitiful and only shows how much you are unaware of the reality of the Catholic community in Russia.
Agreed brother, another reason why i turned from the Catholic Church and returned to the Lutheran Church of Australia
Reyhanzil salceda i lived in brgy milagrosa alang alang leyte philippines ..the house is both side mr cyrus mueva and bonn.camaya lintoco and radda camaya lintoco and teofiesta Quiza and bimbo marmita and radda camaya lintoco
Dont say my facebook other people and my email add name ..if you boardcast every one oclock every monday to sunday
Wow,living in Russia must be quite, and peaceful, Amen.
Very dangerous and blunt
Millions of free Evangelicals/Pentecostals in Russia, the fastest growing faith in Russia currently.
But are "free" Evangelicals or Pentecostals really chistians also this is not true the fastest growing religon in russia is orthodox chistianity
Pls pls understande me .......if you read my message boardcast every one oclock....monday to sunday pls pls
German subtitle, please
And...xander gardigo
I lived in brgy milagrosa alang alang leyte philippines under test of religion untel now......tammy jude catindoy ....
Pls boardcast the tv every monday to sunday pls pls every one oclock...pls
Fake Lutherens! Let women serve the body and blood of christ!??
Jesus did not married..he is sinless
I.said pls and ramil avestruz pls
I don't get it! Was Christ a Lutheran? No
But I know for sure that Christ loves everyone that worships him, the big question is why do we have to do it our way and split Christ up into little pieces? God bless us all!
Helen Galanis read the history of the church, and you will know why there are Lutheran
No, but you could say that Lutherans practice the faith that Christ taught the Apostles
@Josh the Rock of the Church wasn't Peter, it was the confession of Faith Peter made. It's why shortly after Jesus says this whole Rock of the Church thing, He reiterates how sinful Peter and all men are.
"Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's." (Matthew 16:23)
Furthermore, this following verse clarifies even further that we don't need this Petrine sulremacy business
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, (Ephesians 2:20)
@Josh additionally, yes, you do see Lutherans getting executed for being Christians. Did you watch the video??
Very interesting
A liberal denomination... The Altar "face to people" like a television-cook-table... women as "pastors".. Not Lutheran... Thanks...
Yes
If I do not believe in the unique, only, authentic, real and truly trustable catholic religion, why should I believe in the FALSE ones????
Orthodoxy is the True Church...... Don't be deceived Orthodox brethren of mine, keep the Traditions as the Apostles gave them to us Greeks and later Sts Cyril and Methodius to you!
This video is kind of biased. :/ I'll pray that Bauer converts to the truth of Orthodoxy instead of liberal heresy.
DVD ALEXANDRE PIRES A BARATA , TOCADO EM SANATÓRIO PAI EM SANTOS DROGADOS MAIS DE UM DIA, EXTREMAMENTE DOPADOS,DESCONFORTÁVEIS E SOBRE CONTROLE
EITA MISÉRIA BOA OXENTE. CADE MEU MEU AUXILIO BRASIL? ONDE? O NIS FINAL NUMERO 4 DIA 21 DE JANEIRO NA SEXTA FUI MOOOO PORRETA NA CAIXA ECONOMICA FEDERAL E DISSERAM NA MAIOR CARA DE TONHOS NÃO TEM NADA! COMO SE É MAXIMO 200 POR PESSOA NO APE! OXENTE TO RICA?FALO ASSIM MORADORA DE SANTOS, ME PERGUNTAM PORQUE, PORRETA DEVE SER O CORONA! CADE MEU AUXILIO BRASIL? MINHA CONTA ZERADA!