This is too true. I am a white belt and I didn't even know my ankle was about to be cranked until I heard it start popping and it was just a light roll. Luckily it was fine and I tapped as soon as I heard it start popping.
Fact. I tap early in leg locks or if I’m rolling with certain people I know they won’t crank it fast, they will give me a chance to fight thru. But fuck that tough guy shit, tap early, a split second late and ur fucked
Jesus Christ just tap to leg locks ... I’ve been straight ankle locked hard before too. It hurts so badly how can you NOT tap. I wanna come back to the gym again tomorrow not sit out for 6 months! Also I just dropped my private health insurance
A Plus hey man just because he thinks the earth is flat doesn’t mean he isn’t a legend in BJJ. The contributions he’s made to the sport will always be recognised and appreciated, no matter how delusional Eddie may be in his personal life.
What's scarier than a world class expert who breaks people's bodies because he loves what's he's good at? One that acts like my sister when he hears a story of a broken nail.
@@VinylUnboxings Renzo Gracies in NH lets us but only against higher belts White on White leg locking is still too risky just cuz people dont know how strong they are yet when they get high hands and crank an inside heel hook
It comes from the classist basis of bjj vs vale tudo. Same thing with the dislike for non gi bjj. The gi kept the folks in the slums out and they started vale tudo. They utilized leg locks and this was demonized by the upper middle class bjj practitioners.
I had my ankle break from a heel hook. I was relatively unfamiliar with leg locks I never felt anything then just pop. It was weird cause all other submissions you can feel it slowly reaching that point. But with heel hooks it’s nothing nothing nothing then just devastating
That silence at @4:19 conceptualizes well the perplexity of people that practice BJJ intelligently towards people that do not care about destroying their bodies while practicing it. 😂
People tapping to chokes but not leg locks is fucking insanity. Guillotines are a little scary but a RNC barely even feels like anything and basically can't hurt you unless the opponent intentionally injures you while you're unconscious. Not tapping to a leg lock can do serious tendon/ligament damage and not to mention it hurts like hell.
Go train bjj bro. Its awesome and ull love it. Just tap quick when u get caught in joint subs. No biggie there. These guys are pro competitors and have a lot in the line thats why some wont tap.
Consider injuries in a street fight where you end up on the ground and someone trying to boot you in the head. You can always ask training partners not to go for legs or avoid other areas you are injured.
@@onslaughtmma5110 is it reasonable to ask them to not go for legs, or my shoulder, or my back, or only go like 10% speed? Lol i assume at a certain point no one would want to roll with me if i have a big list of asks
@@FirstLast-gk6lg brother I’m 45 I started last month I’m the worst I’m a big gym bro muscular all over no gas tank and I’m getting tapped by 17 yr olds my pride was destroyed the first few classes I’m older so I’m afraid of getting seriously injured but fuck it man let’s go
ahahahaha at the end when he just says "they wont tap to anything", and then looks at Whitaker and they all start laughing and the video ends lmfaoo!!!! Its like a legend or a fable being told
A judo teenager almost snapped my shin in half while i was trying to escape a straight foot lock. I was so skinny back then, thank god the bone didn't snap. I was hurt for 2 weeks and then i went back to training
What if someone is trying a heel hook and it’s just not working? Like it doesn’t even hurt enough to tap? It kinda feels like you’re trying to make fun of them when you won’t tap
If you don't tap, you get what you deserve. Ask these guys in their 50's when they're in wheel chairs, 'was it worth it?' I got called out for being a coward for a straight foot lock on a guy. I said 'whatever dude, I'm through to the next round, see ya.'
I did, when all my tendons and ligaments detached in a split second. I should have tapped sooner because he was locked in but it didn’t even hurt until the whole knee collapsed and twisted at once
I didnt tap to leglock in jujitsu, was completely new and some asshole put me in a heel hook in rolling, didny tap fast enough and got a tare in my miniscus. Still have problems with it 2 yrs later.
leg submissions are the easiest way to catch a higher belt and nobody wants to say hey u can’t do that so the best way is to just go ahead and learn them so u don’t find yourself tapping to a white belt
The Gracie clans “never tap” mentality destroyed so many careers before they started. I knew a lot of young guys who never tapped to kneebars and ankle locks who got hurt and never grapple again. There’s no shame in tapping, you lost but you fight another day and try to learn from it, if you’re caught and try to “tough it out” you’re just trying to protect your ego more than your joints.
I think it partially seen as non respectful but also embarrassing if you tap to a leg submission. In rolling, I tap if you get the position, firstly cus they deserve it and secondly it can go from 0-100 really quick
The only reason leg locks aren't honorable is because bjj didn't know how to do them. Sense then bjj has greatly improved and can arguably be called catch wrestling with a gi on lol
Id tap if Craig looked at my shoes.
KEIGAN McD 😂🤣
Premature Capitulation
No you wouldn’t. He’d be rolling and then you’d feel inspired. I’ve seen it happen with many a men 😂
Best comment evaaaah 🤣
😂😂😂
tap early tap often
joeyripswell that is also true but i wouldnt risk my leg with Gracie’s motto man
joeyripswell Fuck dat bro, tapping is for fucken quitters bro.. #BlackOutb4TapOut
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@@bushisback112 that will be hilarious when you rolling you around with a broken leg wondering why you aint blacking out😂
@@bushisback112 #blackoutb4tapout
Shane Varcoe 😂
Bobby Knuckles with the proper human reaction to shin break stories.
Also Bobby Knuckles: Broke Cannonier's ulna, broke Romero's orbital, tore Till's ACL
Ahh gonna break shins more often then!
"Ahh that's barbaric" - guy who punches people in the face for a living 😂
Whittaker's reactions are funny.
this has got to become a regular segment: people calling in with their worst gym/fighting injuries and Whittaker reacting to it.
@@vlada I can see why.
Such a humble guy too, in fact all the guys.
It's great seeing the man who is arguably the best fighter in the world right now wince like that.
@@vlada Come on! Don't torture the guy!
Lifelong injuries or tap let me think... hm...
Ikr fuck the ego i wanna walk when im 50 hahah
The thing with leg locks is that you gotta tap before you feel the pain because the crank can cause damage and you might not even feel it
This is too true. I am a white belt and I didn't even know my ankle was about to be cranked until I heard it start popping and it was just a light roll. Luckily it was fine and I tapped as soon as I heard it start popping.
Fact. I tap early in leg locks or if I’m rolling with certain people I know they won’t crank it fast, they will give me a chance to fight thru. But fuck that tough guy shit, tap early, a split second late and ur fucked
You have to be aware of more feelings than pain
@Zach Hall or its like saying no boxer has never been hit by a punch.
What if your legs can bend backwards 30 degrees?
“I’m sorry I didn’t mean to break your leg”
“Pretty sure you did bro”
😂😂😂
Jesus Christ just tap to leg locks ... I’ve been straight ankle locked hard before too. It hurts so badly how can you NOT tap. I wanna come back to the gym again tomorrow not sit out for 6 months! Also I just dropped my private health insurance
thats vein
@@lamontrostamloo354 vain?
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Lmfaooooooooooo I don’t really care about being hurt, it’s the hospital bill for me!
@@cellodabest john danaher would like to have a word then bud...he needs a bjj style bob lol
Royle destroyed his own knee by not tapping to the legend Bravo!!!
Herb Thompson "legend"
A Plus how is Eddie Bravo not a legend in the sport?
@@hugoj1129 a plus is one of the Gracie grandchildren
Herb Thompson he wishes... he’s just a keyboard warrior
A Plus hey man just because he thinks the earth is flat doesn’t mean he isn’t a legend in BJJ.
The contributions he’s made to the sport will always be recognised and appreciated, no matter how delusional Eddie may be in his personal life.
OK, so just tear all your ligaments and there will be no more pain AND you never need to tap? Got it!
What's scarier than a world class expert who breaks people's bodies because he loves what's he's good at?
One that acts like my sister when he hears a story of a broken nail.
Vinny has never tapped to a leg lock. April 2020, this is still kind of true...
Merrick that statement literally can’t be more wrong.
@@jiujitsuaddict8112 Well, he didn't tap
wutup5566 but not to a leg submission, just in “open play”
Pretty sure tapping due to your leg getting snapped from a heelhook counts 😂
@Mik A 3rd degree black belt at BJJ sucks at BJJ very much? Interesting
Yesss!! More of these clips. This channel is going to explode
s hudson what the actuall hell, man
This was so funny because Rob had my exact reaction the entire time.
"Does he not need his legs"
🤣🤣 I'm dead hahahha
Who's here After CJ broke Vinny Magalhaes' leg
I've only watched Craig Jones roll before and I never thought about what his voice sounded like...definitely not what I expected
Sounds like the average Australian
I met Craig Jones. Very humble and down to earth.
My legs are going numb listening to this conversation.
These stories keep me happy being a bystander fan and not a practising fan
Some schools don't even let white belts do leg locks,
@@VinylUnboxings Renzo Gracies in NH lets us but only against higher belts White on White leg locking is still too risky just cuz people dont know how strong they are yet when they get high hands and crank an inside heel hook
@@VinylUnboxings
Some? I thought every school does that?
There you go buddy. Too many assholes in the gym, why risk your limbs?
@@chvjdvpa3746 a lot of mma bjj schools allow it early
so good to see these 3 together, such genuine honest nice humans :)
I love how Robert Whitaker ( and these guys) just seem like normal dudes you could have a beer with.
It comes from the classist basis of bjj vs vale tudo.
Same thing with the dislike for non gi bjj.
The gi kept the folks in the slums out and they started vale tudo. They utilized leg locks and this was demonized by the upper middle class bjj practitioners.
Oswaldo Fadda and favela jiu jitsu for the win! footlock the rich kids!
When you see Whtittaker who fought two wars vs Romero react like this, you know this stuff is completly nuts lol
Great content watching these gentlemen chat about their work.
That last silence was soooo powerfull
Ego has no place in the octagon or on the mat, wether in practice or competition.
Wooow hilarious and crazy stories good vid. Whittaker is so likeable lol
No discernable ego whatsoever. Just a guy being a dude.
the human condition is one of the greatest album of all time
@@user-eb9uj8zi6i hmmmm slow down there lmao. It's really really good though for sure.
@@paragon1782 nah it’s one of the greatest. top 25 of all time
I love listening to these guys. BJJ, an Australian accent, and the Aussie-bloke personality are a trifecta of goodness.
We will look back on this as a great podcasting moment. Especially the last 10 seconds. Go Rob!
Leg locks are evil, but a nescessary evil.
RIP vinny magalhaes’s ankle
*knee
@@etplays166 what what did it pop? i thought it was only his ankle
@@jl2398 Nah bro that knee is gooone. Heelhooks do more than just damage the ankle.
@@EduardTodor Yeah knee probably goes first. Could probably ruin your life with a heel hook without it doing anything to the ankle.
I had my ankle break from a heel hook. I was relatively unfamiliar with leg locks I never felt anything then just pop. It was weird cause all other submissions you can feel it slowly reaching that point. But with heel hooks it’s nothing nothing nothing then just devastating
You're very lucky that it was your ankle instead of your knee
@@alexkehoepwj Yup. You just have to understand the position with leg locks and realize when you're beat. Not when you start feeling pain.
Awesome video. Thank you.
You can see the Toe Hold he's talking about here:
ua-cam.com/video/r9kCHmzEtq4/v-deo.html
1:18 😅
great interview..and how everything gets silent when he starts talking about the miyaos is just awesome 😂😂 (btw you can find the mri's online 😅)
i understand rob's reactions so much, this shit makes me feel uncomfortable
That silence at @4:19 conceptualizes well the perplexity of people that practice BJJ intelligently towards people that do not care about destroying their bodies while practicing it. 😂
Great clip, hilarious reactions, grim stories 😨
Don’t hit submissions 100% off the bat. Winning a training match isn’t worth giving someone an injury
This podcast seems so laid back but with Australian humor.. i must follow
People tapping to chokes but not leg locks is fucking insanity. Guillotines are a little scary but a RNC barely even feels like anything and basically can't hurt you unless the opponent intentionally injures you while you're unconscious. Not tapping to a leg lock can do serious tendon/ligament damage and not to mention it hurts like hell.
Always wanted to do BJJ. But not as much as i want to keep my already injured body from further injuries
Go train bjj bro. Its awesome and ull love it. Just tap quick when u get caught in joint subs. No biggie there. These guys are pro competitors and have a lot in the line thats why some wont tap.
Consider injuries in a street fight where you end up on the ground and someone trying to boot you in the head. You can always ask training partners not to go for legs or avoid other areas you are injured.
@@onslaughtmma5110 is it reasonable to ask them to not go for legs, or my shoulder, or my back, or only go like 10% speed? Lol i assume at a certain point no one would want to roll with me if i have a big list of asks
@@FirstLast-gk6lg brother I’m 45 I started last month I’m the worst I’m a big gym bro muscular all over no gas tank and I’m getting tapped by 17 yr olds my pride was destroyed the first few classes I’m older so I’m afraid of getting seriously injured but fuck it man let’s go
@@Peter-yc1rs brave of you
Aussie's just seem so chill.
You cant get more Aussie than that. Love these people.
That was such a funny conversation
Is this from a podcast or something? Where can I listen to the whole thing?
If you don’t Tap, your leg will make the Tapping sound for you.
Who's here after watching Miyao's leg fold wrongwards at the 2019 ADCC? 😬😱
The silent inflection at the end as they all process what that MRI of a guy with no ligaments in his feet would look like.lol
Very relevant with that recent Craig Vid in Ukraine.
Just tap and then pretend it never happened 😂
Tyson bit off His freakin ear "Brazilian tap"
ahahahaha at the end when he just says "they wont tap to anything", and then looks at Whitaker and they all start laughing and the video ends lmfaoo!!!! Its like a legend or a fable being told
Tony lmao perfect timing
My professor put me in a toe hold, zero pain but my knee was bent tore my meniscus.
People who say that need to roll with Ryan Hall
Just realized Tony is the same size as Ryan Hall oh no
Homeboy doesn’t even tap to a arm bar. Dudes a beast
A judo teenager almost snapped my shin in half while i was trying to escape a straight foot lock.
I was so skinny back then, thank god the bone didn't snap. I was hurt for 2 weeks and then i went back to training
The shirts are mint. Where do you get them from?
Classy act!
why wouldn't you link to the full episode?!
What if someone is trying a heel hook and it’s just not working? Like it doesn’t even hurt enough to tap? It kinda feels like you’re trying to make fun of them when you won’t tap
If you don't tap, you get what you deserve. Ask these guys in their 50's when they're in wheel chairs, 'was it worth it?' I got called out for being a coward for a straight foot lock on a guy. I said 'whatever dude, I'm through to the next round, see ya.'
Craig Jones is dope. His ADCC run was dope.
MyHandsAreRegistered Bruh Your comment is dope. My reply to this comment was dope.
@@aiydanf your reply to my reply is dope.
@INTOtheVOID11 that's a dope scope
My knee is completely destroyed from leg locks. Please people, tap to leg locks
I did, when all my tendons and ligaments detached in a split second. I should have tapped sooner because he was locked in but it didn’t even hurt until the whole knee collapsed and twisted at once
Tee eeeesh. Seriously, fuck not tapping to a leg locks
That silence...
Ken Shamrock's first appearance on UFC 1 he won with a heel hook. There was def a TAP.
Like shit new BJJ players never heard of the Miyao brothers or Jacare. They still had amazing careers.
those stories from craig jones.. dear god!
I didnt tap to leglock in jujitsu, was completely new and some asshole put me in a heel hook in rolling, didny tap fast enough and got a tare in my miniscus. Still have problems with it 2 yrs later.
leg submissions are the easiest way to catch a higher belt and nobody wants to say hey u can’t do that so the best way is to just go ahead and learn them so u don’t find yourself tapping to a white belt
Pain is just weakness leaving the body.
4:16 as a long-time recreational JJ practitioner, this blows my mind.
it’s always been a dishonour, even the most OG Brazilian refuse to attempt them
I seriously thought Craig was exaggerating about that toehold but holy fuck! 🤢🤢
You can break their bones but you can’t break their pride as Brazilians 😅
Pride goeth before lifelong injuries
It’s like Mexicans have there thing in boxing, the Thais have crazy heart in Muay Thai and for the Brazilians they just got to much heart in jits
When folk roll the incorrect way out of heel hooks scares the crap out of me lol
Deadly shirt bruthaboy CJ [-o-]
Ryan hall laughs in imanari roll
0:50 my exact problem in jiu jitsu hahahahaha
What podcast is this?
Tony Ferguson as entered the chat
Yeah Whittaker looking at Craig as if he hasnt seen it all 😂😂😂
Rob acting suprised the guy kept rolling with a bum leg like he didn't fight Yoel Romero for 24 minutes with one
I think if you gave rob the choice tap or blow your knee he probably taps but the damage was already done and he still was fairly mobile.
Close your eyes and try to figure out whose talking: whitaker or the host?
Does anyone have a link to Manny Gamburyan's leg lock he is talking about?
I'm not Australian and I'm not exactly sure what the term solid bloke means, but I'm pretty sure Robert Whittaker is a solid bloke.
Two of the greatest ozzies ever
Especially tap to white belts in training who go for them overly enthusiastically 🤦🏻♂️
The Gracie clans “never tap” mentality destroyed so many careers before they started. I knew a lot of young guys who never tapped to kneebars and ankle locks who got hurt and never grapple again.
There’s no shame in tapping, you lost but you fight another day and try to learn from it, if you’re caught and try to “tough it out” you’re just trying to protect your ego more than your joints.
Those guys are out of their minds
Craig Jones is right about people not wanting to tap to leg locks.
When you say "leg popped". What do you mean?
There could be a whole channel just on people getting injured by training with Hugo Nunes.
I think it partially seen as non respectful but also embarrassing if you tap to a leg submission. In rolling, I tap if you get the position, firstly cus they deserve it and secondly it can go from 0-100 really quick
The only reason leg locks aren't honorable is because bjj didn't know how to do them. Sense then bjj has greatly improved and can arguably be called catch wrestling with a gi on lol
This is no diss. Catch wrestlers apparently have trouble with the bjj guard so there is that
Haven’t laughed so hard in ages... cheers guys
Every leg can be brocken!
Bobby making me feel better for getting squeamish
Craig seems much happier there