Okay first thing right, UE4, DEFINITELY, second thing, sound design is actually GOOD, effects are GOOD. Though I will not forget that MWO also looked this good back when it was announced in 2011, and also let's not forget the MechWarrior 5 trailer from (2009?) that never happened. I have hopes for this but...I am also treading lightly.
There are a few things to remember about that announcement: 1) It was a concept, there was no work done on anything else, it was intended to get a publisher interested in supporting the project 2) There was a lawsuit with Harmony Gold over the use of the Unseen design of the Warhammer 3) PGI scrapped the original idea after the lawsuit and focused on a F2P multiplayer game 4) It was running on a different engine, PGI realized after the switch to Cryengine that it was more difficult to work with than they hoped, which is why so many gameplay elements were never able to make it into MWO
Minor correction - they adopted the F2P arena fighting model because IPG, the only publisher interested in the idea, and wasnt willing to back PGI unless it was done their way. What we see here now.... Is PGI self publishing, and with that, they are in control. Be cautiously optimistic.....
I hope to fuck they dont just scrap it like they did last-time. Between then and now, they decided to make some stupid game called Nanovor some somesuch. I remember the hype train derailing when they were revealed to be incompetent. Fuck me, that was a dirty time. Hopes up and shit, then BAM, right to the fucking ground. This looks promising, but hey, so it did last time. Also, I'm not giving MWO another damn dime until this is done. I'm also hoping t hat it doesnt have micro transactions, because my childhood memories of tabletop can only be so ruined before they're gone.
THIS is what MW5 is SUPPOSED to look and feel like. I'll be glad to see a proper graphical update and better story writing to give MW5 the SIMULATOR feel it is longing for.
Aye such a shame the end product was a huge dissapointment. They should have spend more time working on the game, heck even upgrade the engine to Unreal 5 before releasing the current abomination which is pretty much single player version of Mechwarrior Online.
Hopefully this game doesn't have: early alpha access, microtransactions, dlc on day one, premium locked content, pre-order only content, DRM, online connection requirement. Wishful thinking I know. Member games in the 90's, I member.
Single player game, according to Russy boy. Seems they're going for a standard 'AAA' release. As in, one release. As for everything else. Who the hell knows, it's PGI.
I'm one of the saltiest people on the MW:O forums. I constantly make mechpack jokes and shitpost anime gifs everywhere. But for the first time in years PGI has made me feel hope.
Absolutely! Literally all of the maps look identical, enemies just swarm from random directions by the dozen, mech customization is non-existent, the campaign and story are utter garbage, can't customize your company, and don't even get me started on the music...
@@cato3016 Yeah, I touch the game again occasionally just to be frustrated again by the mindless grind. Seems like even for MW veterans the game is just too barebones. To bad Piranha didn't get the money they needed to make it a good experience. Feels like No Man's Sky all over again. Well, I hope they put my money to good use for a better experience down the line.
@@NicolasAlexanderOtto I'm going back to MW3. It seems the games get better going backwards. Havent played 2 but Im looking forward to it. Everyone says it was awesome.
Cody Windsor No, I will only be interested until someone brings it up that the game has been released or one of the channels I follow talks about it being released. I'm going to forget about this announcement, just as I forgot about MWO's existence up until someone told me about this trailer.
Cody Windsor Tell you what. If news comes out that PGI has decided to implement melee ala mechs like the Hachetman, I''ll be among the first to come running.
This is all I ever wanted from a MechWarrior game, not some MMO cash cow. And plus it's on a new engine that's getting constant support. This is your chance to redeem yourselves, PGI.
MWO isn't that bad, and, truthfully, it's the only way that i could see a f2p Mechwarrior game can work with mechs. I'm SO getting this game when it comes out.
***** Of course it wouldn't change your opinion if you've never played it. MWLL has more mechs, has tanks, has aerotech, and has infantry combat. It's also a f2p game made solely by fans of the Battletech franchise. MWO is garbage.
I'm so glad they went with the Mercenaries Idea, Mechwarrior 4 Mercs was simply a perfect game. Honestly if this one were to go almost the same path as the old game, it would be enough. I just hope they give us actual battletech lore, give us different paths to go by, and focus more on amount of missions and game play rather than a direct story of someone or the company. It's all about getting the job done and the pay dirt. What if these mercenaries were to cross paths with Spectre from the old game, or at least another relevant character or perhaps his grandchildren, would be an awesome small thing to add. Lastly I would say the one thing Mercs 4 was short off was the length and for me, the dialogue. I just love lots of voice acting in games, makes it feel alive, so maybe add extra dialogue for the leader and his comrades so that each play through doesn't get old quickly. (I played through Mercs: 4 campaign about 10-12 times) Oh and make the music bad ass please! #hype
hmm, you're right about that, but I actually prefer Mechwarrior 2: 31st century combat, it's what made me love clan Mechs and always preferred the way they look and their story. I've play them all.
And as usual, this trailer ends up better than the finished product. Better graphics, much better UI and HUD, the Raven actually fell down slowly with some weight instead of acting like a GMod ragdoll, the reticle sways and bobs with the mech instead of being pinpoint accurate at all times... Fuck you PGI. You were baiting us even before the Epic fiasco the whole time.
He probably means "we" by way of 'people like him', of which there are many. We understand that MWO is exactly what other people want, and I'm happy they have their game. People similar to yourself have been telling us to go play something else for years, and it looks like PGI is going for that market.
CLEAR OSHA VIOLATION. That mech should have been locked out and tagged out before anyone was allowed to be working on the leg. The fact that you have heavy machinery moving without a clear audible and visual warning WHILE PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON IT is so unbelievably irresponsible. Fix this right now.
I know you're joking, but I think the thudding of giant ass feet and the earth quaking beneath you would be enough audio and visual warning to get the fuck out of the way. >_>;;
IS mercenaries are required to join a union to work, its called the Mercenary Hiring Halls. And techs have their own union called, we are the only ones to know how to fix this Local 8, or in Davion space, NAIS
I am something of a lore-warrior, so my main concern at this early date is that the website says it takes place in 3015 and yet there is a Raven stomping around.
not really, if you buy a television from Samsung you don't automatically expect that money to go back into TV development do you? MWO is still running, changes are being made, it is still under development, what's the issue? The MWO playerbase has been asking for a single player game for years, now it looks like we'll get it. It's all good as far as I can see.
It ain't that right to compare medium gamedev company that lamost entirely lives on the money of their fans to a huge manufacturer of decent electronic goods that are bought worldwide mainly because they have good reputation. Almost like comparing a single indie dev that makes his little game for several years and it comes out bad because it's his first ever big project to Infinity Ward/Activision combo that squeezes last drops of cash out of an old engine. There's no issue, it's just that we pretty much keep PG living as a gamedev company by throwing dosh at them so it's only natural to have expectations, influence and steer them somewhere at least slightly.
Kind of reminds me of Aliens Colonial Marines... where the final product is just a skeleton of what the alpha was. It's kind of sad that practically every trailer before the final product looks better.
*PGI, please implement mechbob that's more than just the HUD bobbing around in a completely static cockpit. The actual cockpit itself was pretty stationary in that video. The HUD display was really the only thing moving much.
Smokey Smeen Yeah, it's nothing like good ol' MW3, but MW5 seems to have gone full 180 because now the pilot shakes a lot but the cockpit barely moves.
Well at least they've said it'll be priced as a normal single-player title, so no microtransactions. If there's anything in the game you have to pay more money for, I expect it'll be expansion packs or even just something like MW4's Mech Packs (which, unlike the MWO ones, just unlocks the new 'Mechs for purchase/salvage in the campaign with no restrictions on how many you can get). You know; the same sort of post-launch DLC a lot of games have that receives relatively few complaints.
csnation Wait so this a single player game then right? I think it'll be interesting because I'm not familiar with lore at all, MWO was the first time I heard about this "universe" and that was just a year ago more or less :P
Yeah, single player. And covering a lot of the timeline, too. And it ends just before the Clan Invasion (which is what the older MechWarrior titles, like 2 and 3, covered).
Also think of it this way, you need people to operate them, he was already on scene and ready to fight, it would have taken a few minutes for soldiers to get there and who knows how long to load ammo into them. the fight was over in a few short minutes. Plus if you see enemies loading up, you normally take them out before they can become active. I just dont see where they had the chance to help.
Took you 5 years to listen to reason. You do know that no matter how good it looks and how big and good the campaign will be we founders will not touch this with a 30 feet pole until it's out so forget a great number of pre-orders. we've been fooled before.
^this. dumped well over 100 bucks into mwo on the promises. left the game for good about one year ago. When I saw this is was instantly sceptical, because of PiranhaGames. First impressions are decent. Make something with it and redeem yourselves.
Do you have ANY concept of how a business works with IT people that it's income stream (you do realize what that term means?) is based on F2P model? - yeah didn't think so.
Yeees! Finally a real Mechwarrior game again. Any way to make this co-op? I'd love to have a mech game I can play with friends without people potentially having to sit out for ten minutes if they go down early in the match.
cautiously optimistic.the feel from this footage is definitely 1000x better then MWO. It looks like you are in a giant 55 tonne walking war machine. and I like it.
Oh God, YES! Please, Single Player campaign, finally! Jesus Christ, it's been so long! Please, make it proper Mech Game, proper big scale maps and operations, non of this corridor map design. Enough with this World of Tanks bullshit... Also, like with previous games, *pleeease* release editing tools for the community, maybe MekTek guys will make a return in due time or a similar group will be formed, just give us the map editors and ability to add new models, design missions/campaigns and we're in haven...
Finally! I remember badgering Paul back during the Closed Beta of MWO to have a single player side to MWO but IGP had banned the idea in favour for the cash rapey "free" to play multiplayer only model....... So now we are going to get the Single player game we always wanted I have one question, Is it going to have a multiplayer side to it?
Stephen Ore So yet another foolish move by Russ. A co op multiplayer MW game would be epic. Lets be honest MWO is dead on it's feet they should just bury that bitch and move on
The last bit totally reminded me of "Look at the bright side, kid. You get to keep all the money". Btw, who voiced Castle in 4 and is she still doing voice work?
For this one, yes. I'm tired of companies trying to revive Battletech, and fans carrying the weathered game on their backs. I just want it to STAY. The license jumps around more than Terminator and it's depressing. MSGS has left it to the wolves, and not the clan type, either. It's the beloved franchise that no one has heard of. If we fans don't support it? Who will? It's not exactly pop culture material. Right now, we got the founders backing it and game artists building it who love it as much as the fans still playing the table top game and old MechWarrior games. The devs aren't the most skilled and the budget isn't the largest, but they're pushing through with passion and attention to detail using what they know. It's in the best hands it's ever been in and probably ever will be. I'm investing in that.
Guys. VR is perfect for cockpit based games. P_E_R_F_E_C_T. VR support anyone pretty please?! P.S. Immediately makes me want to replay MW4:Mercs for the 10th time
1-1 Shadow Hawk-Raven... I'd say go for the cockpit and torso. No use legging it and slowly ripping it apart when you have more work dropping in. Shadow Hawk is nearly an exclusive mech for what I use, and I run into that situation all the time against Locusts and Ravens. It's why I packed my Shadowhawks with an ER-PPC and an LBX 10 AC with 40 shots. (Couldn't fit an AC-20... so went for next best thing, did dual ER-PPC's for a while but heat management... 4 shots back to back before an overheat.)
The combat, Hud, and general feel of it LOOKS better in my eyes than what MWO does. Will this also give us PVE in MWO or will MW5 be the one taking over for MWO?
So, sidenote, Piranha Game... (BTW this looks incredible!) When looking at the gun on the mech (Armstrong J11 AC5), it appears to have the overall diameter similar to that of a human head, compared to the headrest of the mech. The average human head is *220mm* tall, so that is one huge cannon. For reference, the M1A1 Abrams uses a 120mm cannon. Another note, that barrel is super short for a gun of that size, which would not be adept for traditional armor-piercing rounds. It would most likely used a high-explosive(possibly dual purpose or squash-head) warhead or a high explosive, anti-tank warhead. Judging by the relatively small size of the explosion, we can assume this is the latter, HEAT. HEAT uses an explosive force to mold a copper cone into a small dart, which penetrates hundreds of millimeters of steel. Seeing how it isn't instantly disabling the small recon mech, we can assume that the recon mech is utilizing ceramic or Chobham armor, a very good and lightweight defense against HEAT shells. The armor would crack over several shots, and would most likely be pretty resilient to lasers, due to its innate ability to soak up high temperatures. The missles fired at the protagonists mech would have also been utilizing HEAT warheads. It paints a very vivid world in which weapons development has ground to a standstill. Humanity has created a warfighting robot in its likeness, but cannot seem to find a solution to ceramic armor, a technology from the mid 1900s. It's very interesting to say the least. I don't know if the devs would even check UA-cam comments, but if so.. How much effort did you put into the research of current and historical weapons systems, and how did they affect how you created or recreated such weapon systems ingame?
You might want to go back in time about 35 years when the franchise was first developed and called Battledroids, and ask those guys instead. Also, as a student of the lore, this is Battletech. It's got walking robots, tanks with jump jets, ships that can travel 30 light years in the blink of an eye, and the potential for techno-religious cyborgs living in hyperspace on stars. To quote someone else, they ain't gotta explain shit.
It's a generally accepted fact in the TT community that the ranges are scaled down significantly for gameplay purposes. They know the numbers don't make sense.
I'll never understand it, but there are people who thought the out-of-mech experience in Mechassault was part of core gameplay in mech sim titles. I remember SHOGO M.A.D being acceptable for it's time as the first to do so. It will be interesting to see if it can be done right this time. With a mercenary storyline, they have a chance
This is still only Pre-alpha. While the older games definitely show their age, I occasionally go back to them because there's just something about them (Other than map size, many more Chassis', ground/air/naval vehicles and infantry [ai of course], and more weapon types) that just can't be reproduced in MW:O. Hopefully this new installment will be faithful to it's roots. Heck even if it's just a glorified, more up-to-date PGI version of MW: Legends (A fan game they shut down a while back) I'd be more than happy.
ErgonomicChair Lol... you know nobody had to put any money into MWO... it was completely free to play. Or maybe you're so full of it that you use real money to try gaining an advantage in every game you can. You can buy the gear in game but you can't buy the skill to use it well.
it does. You should be able to tell from the demo. But if you cant, the engine its made in is unreal engine and they support VR for at least those two(off the top of my head) So it would be highly strange if they didnt bother with the VR support. Given their trailer so far, doesnt look like it would be hard to add.
Epic has done some great work with VR improving the tech/efficiency of VR, they seemingly rewrote some of the rendering code for VR. Along with some other really great updates recently, This game and others should play allot better then current games. when they come out.
Hm would have liked the mech´s cockpit to open and the pilot climbing inside. If its a cutscene anyway then why the bypassing shortcut from outside the mech into its inside?
Hype! Awesome, I have been keeping up a MW4:mercs series on youtube for almost a whole year now, I'd love to do the same when this comes out, hope you guys can make this a great game! // GTNC 100% tuned in!
I like that actual combat is slower. At least it feels little slower and it gives that feeling of ... you know we are fighting with giant multi tons mechs not some fast robotoys. So thats good. I hate all those fast mechs in MWO who run circles around you with full speed and shot you from all sides, and you cant even out turn them while staying in one place changing game into arcade shooter. Hope this wont happen here. Also heavy story driven single player with cool features, development, gradual upgrading, chellanging gameplay, participating in feels like real lance fights, customizations, and good role playing of mercenary mech pilot is something we all need now. So yeah cant wait to see this game out!
One of my biggest gripes with MWO is precisely that you CAN'T out turn a heavy or assault in a light, they rotate too fast, which is why lights and mediums are so uncompetitive.
They can. I dont know if everyone light can do it but if you instal good engines and got good turn skills activated you definitely can do this on level ground. Heck I was even out turn even when those sonofguns climb up. Many times. Thats why usually Im forced to just search for a wall and stand back to it.
Now this light Raven behave like real mech. He is fast but not crazy fast like in MWO. Also animation of walking and slowing down and speeding up looks better. Fire and effects looks much better. This is realistic. Wish they implement this into MWO.
What are you, in a Dire Whale? Are you just using a really crappy engine? I have no trouble outturning light mechs in my 75 ton heavies. Honestly light mechs would be pretty worthless if they weren't fast, that's their entire point. Not to mention they're this fast in lore anyways, the locust in lore moves at about 130 km/h. The dasher is even faster, since with MASC enabled it moves at a blistering 200+ km/h
God, I don't know what to say. This looks so much better than the final product. The Shadow Hawk actually stomped around instead of the mech not feeling any weight around it. It was like MW3, but then they made it like 4. Don't get me wrong, I love MW4MERCS, but it wasn't accurate to the mechs. They felt weightless.
MWO has been fun. THIS. THIS. THIS. STORY. STRUGGLE. Building up an army. Feeling like a hero. This is why i fell in love with Battletech and Mechwarrior. Thank goodness.
why does every support tech guy has to be this scruffy cranky old man. I want a god damn professional like the mobile field base dude in mechwarrior 3.
This game is about a mercenary unit whose sole motivation, like all mercs, is money (this trailer looks like it's inspired by Decision At Thunder Rift in particular,) whereas MW3 is about an elite Inner Sphere commando unit on a mission to annihilate Clan Smoke Jaguar once and for all. Of course there are going to be differences in character and personality with your crewmembers between those two games.
Santiago Almendarez I'd recommend replaying MW3. Or even just look at the intro and the very militarized introduction to the first mission the campaign.
mechwarrior 2 was one of my very first few pc games. Played it to death. Been at least a decade since I touched anything mech warrior related. I am so hyped for this. IT BETTER HAVE A MAD CAT I CAN USE!
Black Knight yes co-op I do hope for, but alas PGI has done the bait and switch before and pissed off their fan base. So hopefully since it is a dedicated team Russ has nothing to do with them.
DarkDeLaurel - yeah, I was so disappointed in their turning away from what made the series great. At least in the form of single player, that is. Fingers crossed it's a good one...
They really need to bring the older games to Steam.
Or Gog.. but yes, they need it.
4 is free
PastryBandit4life mw4 is free? where? with the expansions??
hey nvm, this was in 2014, i guess its no longer freeware. i still have mine though!
I have mine too on a box but not the expansions. Maybe the game its still on internet.
Okay first thing right, UE4, DEFINITELY, second thing, sound design is actually GOOD, effects are GOOD. Though I will not forget that MWO also looked this good back when it was announced in 2011, and also let's not forget the MechWarrior 5 trailer from (2009?) that never happened. I have hopes for this but...I am also treading lightly.
There are a few things to remember about that announcement:
1) It was a concept, there was no work done on anything else, it was intended to get a publisher interested in supporting the project
2) There was a lawsuit with Harmony Gold over the use of the Unseen design of the Warhammer
3) PGI scrapped the original idea after the lawsuit and focused on a F2P multiplayer game
4) It was running on a different engine, PGI realized after the switch to Cryengine that it was more difficult to work with than they hoped, which is why so many gameplay elements were never able to make it into MWO
Minor correction - they adopted the F2P arena fighting model because IPG, the only publisher interested in the idea, and wasnt willing to back PGI unless it was done their way. What we see here now.... Is PGI self publishing, and with that, they are in control. Be cautiously optimistic.....
...and I am getting older and older.
Shivaxi First thing immediately wrong: the super macho cliché voice scripting. I'm up to my balls of that crap. It immediately destroys immersion.
I hope to fuck they dont just scrap it like they did last-time. Between then and now, they decided to make some stupid game called Nanovor some somesuch. I remember the hype train derailing when they were revealed to be incompetent. Fuck me, that was a dirty time. Hopes up and shit, then BAM, right to the fucking ground.
This looks promising, but hey, so it did last time.
Also, I'm not giving MWO another damn dime until this is done. I'm also hoping t hat it doesnt have micro transactions, because my childhood memories of tabletop can only be so ruined before they're gone.
You had me at "Reactor Online, Sensors Online, Weapons Online. All systems Nominal"
I love you guys for doing this. Awesome.
THIS is what MW5 is SUPPOSED to look and feel like. I'll be glad to see a proper graphical update and better story writing to give MW5 the SIMULATOR feel it is longing for.
Aye such a shame the end product was a huge dissapointment. They should have spend more time working on the game, heck even upgrade the engine to Unreal 5 before releasing the current abomination which is pretty much single player version of Mechwarrior Online.
look on the bright side kid,....you get to keep all the money
exactly what I thought. lol
First thing that came up my mind! :D
Good times.
There's more room in hell for your sorry carcass.
My weapons systems are down, I'm not being paid enough to die.
Hopefully this game doesn't have: early alpha access, microtransactions, dlc on day one, premium locked content, pre-order only content, DRM, online connection requirement. Wishful thinking I know. Member games in the 90's, I member.
Single player game, according to Russy boy. Seems they're going for a standard 'AAA' release. As in, one release. As for everything else. Who the hell knows, it's PGI.
Certainly wish them luck!
member berries
Agreed.
I MEMBER! God I hope none of that shit is in it or I'll legit be heart broken
I CANNOT CONTAIN MY JIZZ HOLY SHIT 20 FUCKING YEARS, I WAITED 20 GOD DAMN FUCKING YEARS. I NEED THIS
xD thats what came to my mind when I saw the title
Thought exactly that, too
but..... it's only been 16.
+GregoleX2 Inflation ;)
:D :D :D :) OMG. :)
I love the adpatation of mech2 mercs mem at the end
you get to keep all the money...well close enough
Same. I got a nostalgia shiver
Something tells me that MechWarrior 5 is gonna be a prequel MechWarrior 2.
where did this mechwarrior 5 go? god.
When your alpha footage looks better than the finished product... 🤦♂️
Every Alpha release since the dawn of the 3d era has looked better that the final release... What are you talking about?
Seems to have more realism then the actually game.. The usual over promise over show. Then downgrade.
Go to hell.
Your right.
The game missed the mechanic of your character visually climbing into the mech
Полностью с тобой согласен 👍 альфа топ
Please be good.
Please please please please be good. Russ, I'll stop making fun of you (A little bit) if it's good.
Oh my god dude, I can't stop being giddy about this. I NEED THIS, I NEED IT SO BAD. Using the UE engine should let them have VR integration as well.
I'm one of the saltiest people on the MW:O forums. I constantly make mechpack jokes and shitpost anime gifs everywhere. But for the first time in years PGI has made me feel hope.
Restosiii wow dude, you shitpost and post gifs making fun of them? That's hardcore
how i felt when CW demo was streamed. Funny how that turned out =).
*sigh* three years later and the full game is a shadow of just this one mission. absolutely disappointing. hopefully the modders can salvage this.
Absolutely! Literally all of the maps look identical, enemies just swarm from random directions by the dozen, mech customization is non-existent, the campaign and story are utter garbage, can't customize your company, and don't even get me started on the music...
@@cato3016 Yeah, I touch the game again occasionally just to be frustrated again by the mindless grind. Seems like even for MW veterans the game is just too barebones. To bad Piranha didn't get the money they needed to make it a good experience. Feels like No Man's Sky all over again. Well, I hope they put my money to good use for a better experience down the line.
@@NicolasAlexanderOtto I'm going back to MW3. It seems the games get better going backwards. Havent played 2 but Im looking forward to it. Everyone says it was awesome.
@@NicolasAlexanderOtto I think Microsoft needs to make mechwarrior again honestly
@@cato3016 The music is honestly just cringe
Oh cool. I've only been waiting sixteen years...
REACTOR ONLINE! SENSORS ONLINE! ALL SYSTEMS NOMINAL!
Yeeeeesss!
WEAPONS ONLINE! dont forget that part
3 out of 5 weapons online... the left arm was fubar and bingo-ammo on the LRM :P
Goosebumps ;) seriously friggin goosebumps !!!
"she's as good as she'll ever be" - what, does that mean we're NEVER getting any more LRMs??? =P
Can you imagine how amazing this would be in VR? Honestly, VR is so perfect for any game where you are piloting a Mech.
I don't trust Piranha games at all.
Will be waiting for the game to actually be released and reviewed. Then, and ONLY then, will I be interested.
You must not know what the word interested means. You are interested because you will be keeping up to date with it I'm sure
Cody Windsor No, I will only be interested until someone brings it up that the game has been released or one of the channels I follow talks about it being released.
I'm going to forget about this announcement, just as I forgot about MWO's existence up until someone told me about this trailer.
FolstrimHori Do you want to see where the game goes?
Cody Windsor
Tell you what.
If news comes out that PGI has decided to implement melee ala mechs like the Hachetman, I''ll be among the first to come running.
damn straight, we've been fooled before with vain promisses.
This is all I ever wanted from a MechWarrior game, not some MMO cash cow. And plus it's on a new engine that's getting constant support. This is your chance to redeem yourselves, PGI.
MWO isn't that bad, and, truthfully, it's the only way that i could see a f2p Mechwarrior game can work with mechs. I'm SO getting this game when it comes out.
+lupvirga
I take it you've never played MWLL
FolstrimHori no I haven't, still, that doesn't change my opinion.
***** Of course it wouldn't change your opinion if you've never played it. MWLL has more mechs, has tanks, has aerotech, and has infantry combat.
It's also a f2p game made solely by fans of the Battletech franchise.
MWO is garbage.
with events and cw you can get multiple garages and cosmetics not a lot but, still is possible
Please don't suck
Please don't suck
Please don't suck
3:14
Love the mock-Energy Star BIOS startup sequence.
Honestly, start up huds are my porn. I love them. I'm hella said there isn't one in MW5
PLEASE DONT FUCK THIS UP.
Please don't fuck this up with stupid shit and micro transactions. Please. I beg of you.
I take it then that you Dont want to buy a MERC PACK ?
zing!
Sanguinarius9999
:(
Russ said during the presentation that it will be priced as a regular old single player game.
Ugh
Like it or hate it, the money they've earned from that is probably what paid for this one to be made. You should be happy.
Hey, this game looks great. I can't wait to play it....
Oh wait,
Oh no....
I'm so glad they went with the Mercenaries Idea, Mechwarrior 4 Mercs was simply a perfect game. Honestly if this one were to go almost the same path as the old game, it would be enough. I just hope they give us actual battletech lore, give us different paths to go by, and focus more on amount of missions and game play rather than a direct story of someone or the company. It's all about getting the job done and the pay dirt. What if these mercenaries were to cross paths with Spectre from the old game, or at least another relevant character or perhaps his grandchildren, would be an awesome small thing to add. Lastly I would say the one thing Mercs 4 was short off was the length and for me, the dialogue. I just love lots of voice acting in games, makes it feel alive, so maybe add extra dialogue for the leader and his comrades so that each play through doesn't get old quickly. (I played through Mercs: 4 campaign about 10-12 times) Oh and make the music bad ass please! #hype
Wanna buy a merc pack ?
HEY LOOK WE HAVE NEW GAME NOW MW5!! BUY NOW THAT 300 MECHS AGAIN AND WE GIVE YOU SHIT ON STICK TOTALY FREE!!!
MW2: Mercenaries. MW4: Mercs was but a shadow of it's predecessor. If you haven't played it, you don't know what you are missing ;)
hmm, you're right about that, but I actually prefer Mechwarrior 2: 31st century combat, it's what made me love clan Mechs and always preferred the way they look and their story. I've play them all.
And as usual, this trailer ends up better than the finished product. Better graphics, much better UI and HUD, the Raven actually fell down slowly with some weight instead of acting like a GMod ragdoll, the reticle sways and bobs with the mech instead of being pinpoint accurate at all times...
Fuck you PGI. You were baiting us even before the Epic fiasco the whole time.
The UI is soooooooooo much better and immersive than retail.
Bishop Steiner is going to be very happy when this releases
Him and a shitload more Mechwarriors.. ..not to forget also have Battletech on the horizon too :)
So after years of trying the MWO thing, you're finally going to give us what we want?
*Standing ovation*
MWO is pretty good game...it's what I want. You mean to say what "you" want. Wow ignorance abundant here.
Maybe MWO was what they used to fund this game, who knows
He probably means "we" by way of 'people like him', of which there are many. We understand that MWO is exactly what other people want, and I'm happy they have their game. People similar to yourself have been telling us to go play something else for years, and it looks like PGI is going for that market.
Well... We already lined their pockets and played their tech demo. Time for the actual game.
Feels a lot more Mechwarrior-like than MWO. Which is good. Excited to see this through.
CLEAR OSHA VIOLATION. That mech should have been locked out and tagged out before anyone was allowed to be working on the leg. The fact that you have heavy machinery moving without a clear audible and visual warning WHILE PEOPLE ARE WORKING ON IT is so unbelievably irresponsible. Fix this right now.
I know you're joking, but I think the thudding of giant ass feet and the earth quaking beneath you would be enough audio and visual warning to get the fuck out of the way. >_>;;
yeah but knowing mercenaries, they aren't getting payed by the hour
STDrepository they are mercs brah. There isn't a union you poon.
Jack Raiden although you count argue that the MRBC is a union
IS mercenaries are required to join a union to work, its called the Mercenary Hiring Halls. And techs have their own union called, we are the only ones to know how to fix this Local 8, or in Davion space, NAIS
DON'T MESS THIS UP! WE LOVE YOU, THANK YOU!
Cool. So when are you going to start selling 100$ mechs in it? Before or after you deliver 1/2 the content promised on release?
Sarda You pay for the game and that's it. I asked the devs
thx for the info
savage
they announced NO MICROTRANSACTION wow i'm so exited it should cover the storyline from 3015 to 3049
You guys have the opportunity to really make a Gem here...just DONT do it liike you did MWO....or its DOA...
yet MWO continues to grow
yet its dead as fuck besides a couple hours a day.
Many people don't use Steam so I don't think it's that accurate.
pooper scooper
Fun does not equal good.
Bagheera2 If you know PGI, you know this will never be a real thing. Just another lie.
Is that Captain Price?
I'm pretty sure that's Captain Price.
Somehow I wouldn't be surprised if it was. He seems to be immortal...
Know who wasn't immortal? Soap.
HA ha does sound just like him.
He sounds a bit like Mike from Breaking Bad to me.
I am something of a lore-warrior, so my main concern at this early date is that the website says it takes place in 3015 and yet there is a Raven stomping around.
Thank you! I've missed a singleplayer mech warrior game so much! Please do the franchise justice!
guess now we know where all the money we have spent on MWO has gone
Crowdfunding, boosted by PG on an entirely new level. ;D
It's their company, it's up to them how they spend their money.
ThePereubu1710 And it's up to us to have expectations since it was our money.
not really, if you buy a television from Samsung you don't automatically expect that money to go back into TV development do you? MWO is still running, changes are being made, it is still under development, what's the issue? The MWO playerbase has been asking for a single player game for years, now it looks like we'll get it. It's all good as far as I can see.
It ain't that right to compare medium gamedev company that lamost entirely lives on the money of their fans to a huge manufacturer of decent electronic goods that are bought worldwide mainly because they have good reputation. Almost like comparing a single indie dev that makes his little game for several years and it comes out bad because it's his first ever big project to Infinity Ward/Activision combo that squeezes last drops of cash out of an old engine.
There's no issue, it's just that we pretty much keep PG living as a gamedev company by throwing dosh at them so it's only natural to have expectations, influence and steer them somewhere at least slightly.
Kind of reminds me of Aliens Colonial Marines... where the final product is just a skeleton of what the alpha was. It's kind of sad that practically every trailer before the final product looks better.
PGI, please implement mechbob, crisper sounds and blue cockpits into MWO.
Sincerely,
Me.
*PGI, please implement mechbob that's more than just the HUD bobbing around in a completely static cockpit.
The actual cockpit itself was pretty stationary in that video. The HUD display was really the only thing moving much.
AncientRaig If you look closely the cockpit does bob slightly, it's easiest to see this when walking out the hangar.
Smokey Smeen It does somewhat, but it's still less than MWOs cockpit shake.
AncientRaig MWO's cockpit shake is garbage, especially because the pilot's doesn't move with the 'mech, it's like the pilot's a ghost or something.
Smokey Smeen
Yeah, it's nothing like good ol' MW3, but MW5 seems to have gone full 180 because now the pilot shakes a lot but the cockpit barely moves.
Took u guys long enough.
Don't mess this up.
lol... Really? You're going to bite the hook again? You know all that's at the end of PGI's fucking hook is a gutting?
Well at least they've said it'll be priced as a normal single-player title, so no microtransactions. If there's anything in the game you have to pay more money for, I expect it'll be expansion packs or even just something like MW4's Mech Packs (which, unlike the MWO ones, just unlocks the new 'Mechs for purchase/salvage in the campaign with no restrictions on how many you can get). You know; the same sort of post-launch DLC a lot of games have that receives relatively few complaints.
csnation
Wait so this a single player game then right? I think it'll be interesting because I'm not familiar with lore at all, MWO was the first time I heard about this "universe" and that was just a year ago more or less :P
Yeah, single player. And covering a lot of the timeline, too. And it ends just before the Clan Invasion (which is what the older MechWarrior titles, like 2 and 3, covered).
Spoiler: They did.
anyone else find it funny none of the infantry or tanks in the base helped with fighting the light scout?
another feature left in the past
perhaps because this a pre-alpha demo it hasn't been implemented yet?
MackieStingray2040 makes sense
Also think of it this way, you need people to operate them, he was already on scene and ready to fight, it would have taken a few minutes for soldiers to get there and who knows how long to load ammo into them. the fight was over in a few short minutes. Plus if you see enemies loading up, you normally take them out before they can become active. I just dont see where they had the chance to help.
Jessie Janson there were 4 or 5 soldiers with assault rifles running about, they could have fired on the scout given they had weapons and body armour
Took you 5 years to listen to reason. You do know that no matter how good it looks and how big and good the campaign will be we founders will not touch this with a 30 feet pole until it's out so forget a great number of pre-orders. we've been fooled before.
^this. dumped well over 100 bucks into mwo on the promises. left the game for good about one year ago. When I saw this is was instantly sceptical, because of PiranhaGames.
First impressions are decent. Make something with it and redeem yourselves.
Do you have ANY concept of how a business works with IT people that it's income stream (you do realize what that term means?) is based on F2P model? - yeah didn't think so.
Don't assume sycophant, you never know who you're talking to. Now go along with the other sycophants and play. I've had enough of your kind.
Agreed. Not touching this until it is out and I read good reviews.
As a founder, please don't speak for me.
Yeees! Finally a real Mechwarrior game again.
Any way to make this co-op? I'd love to have a mech game I can play with friends without people potentially having to sit out for ten minutes if they go down early in the match.
cautiously optimistic.the feel from this footage is definitely 1000x better then MWO. It looks like you are in a giant 55 tonne walking war machine. and I like it.
my god I've been waiting for this for almost a decade now, I've been playing the games since I was 4, god this makes me so happy
Still have my SideWinder 2 joystick. Please don't mess this up guys.
Better make sure it still works. After fifteen years the motor in mine is going.
DMStraylight Best damn joystick ever. Still use it for flight sims.
I still have my Saitek X45. Used to love playing MW4 online with it.
Shankovich i buyed a joystick just for MW 4 Mercenaries. I hope thid game will support joysticks.
Oh God, YES! Please, Single Player campaign, finally! Jesus Christ, it's been so long! Please, make it proper Mech Game, proper big scale maps and operations, non of this corridor map design. Enough with this World of Tanks bullshit...
Also, like with previous games, *pleeease* release editing tools for the community, maybe MekTek guys will make a return in due time or a similar group will be formed, just give us the map editors and ability to add new models, design missions/campaigns and we're in haven...
A bit too early to tell, but I'm getting more MW2: Mercs vibes than MW4... and that's a good thing.
Especially with the shoddy voice acting XD Lovin it so far!
Especially with the shoddy voice acting XD Lovin it so far!
Finally! I remember badgering Paul back during the Closed Beta of MWO to have a single player side to MWO but IGP had banned the idea in favour for the cash rapey "free" to play multiplayer only model....... So now we are going to get the Single player game we always wanted I have one question, Is it going to have a multiplayer side to it?
No. Russ said it will be single player only, MWO will be the Multiplayer Mech product.
Stephen Ore So yet another foolish move by Russ. A co op multiplayer MW game would be epic. Lets be honest MWO is dead on it's feet they should just bury that bitch and move on
Don't disappoint yourself. Just get Harebrained Schemes' BattleTech that has both SP and MP/Co-Op. Not this hot pile of garbage.
Its not the same. I want a mechwarrior game, to be a pilot. PGS is the only one doing that, as much as I dislike that fact
Harebrained's game is turn based.
OMG I played all of the mech warrior series thank you for bringing back the single player series Merry Christmas
Wow! Gonna be so awesome!!!!!
is this real life?
Is this just fantasy?
caught in a landslide?
No escape from realilty
Open your eyes
Look up to the sky and see
Looks super nice, my dudes.
Not a huge fan of the HUD, but it's pre-alpha so we'll see what happens.
The last bit totally reminded me of "Look at the bright side, kid. You get to keep all the money". Btw, who voiced Castle in 4 and is she still doing voice work?
WHy is PreAlpha looks sooo much better, than the result?!?!
REMEMBER: NO PREORDERS!
no promises
For this one, yes. I'm tired of companies trying to revive Battletech, and fans carrying the weathered game on their backs. I just want it to STAY. The license jumps around more than Terminator and it's depressing. MSGS has left it to the wolves, and not the clan type, either.
It's the beloved franchise that no one has heard of. If we fans don't support it? Who will? It's not exactly pop culture material.
Right now, we got the founders backing it and game artists building it who love it as much as the fans still playing the table top game and old MechWarrior games. The devs aren't the most skilled and the budget isn't the largest, but they're pushing through with passion and attention to detail using what they know. It's in the best hands it's ever been in and probably ever will be. I'm investing in that.
It's got "Mercenaries" in the subtitle, and isn't even an expansion! This is gonna be a good one by default (I hope).
Guys. VR is perfect for cockpit based games. P_E_R_F_E_C_T.
VR support anyone pretty please?!
P.S. Immediately makes me want to replay MW4:Mercs for the 10th time
Guys, it's Piranha games. Have you forgotten MWO already? I have no confidence in them what so ever.
I've waited half my life for this game, 2018 can't come quick enough!!
Holy moly at last it is happening!
Fucking brings back memories of original Mech Warrior games....ahh the 90s. Hyped.
Next time go for the legs. Legged light is a dead light. XD
1-1 Shadow Hawk-Raven... I'd say go for the cockpit and torso. No use legging it and slowly ripping it apart when you have more work dropping in. Shadow Hawk is nearly an exclusive mech for what I use, and I run into that situation all the time against Locusts and Ravens. It's why I packed my Shadowhawks with an ER-PPC and an LBX 10 AC with 40 shots. (Couldn't fit an AC-20... so went for next best thing, did dual ER-PPC's for a while but heat management... 4 shots back to back before an overheat.)
No JJ behind the mech for rearcore? :p
Almost forgot. No legs for Ze0ff. Or was it Z0eff... I forget.
The combat, Hud, and general feel of it LOOKS better in my eyes than what MWO does. Will this also give us PVE in MWO or will MW5 be the one taking over for MWO?
Zurakci it's a pure single player game
It'd be pretty awesome if this opened up a stock config only mode.
any proof? beyond bs speculations, because at this point I doubt any of us actually know if it'l have multi or not.
www.pcgamer.com/mechwarrior-5/
I really hope they'll add live action cutscenes. Those are my best memories of mechwarrior
How am I supposed to live my life until this is released? Why have you done this to me? I showed you nothing but love! :(
So, sidenote, Piranha Game... (BTW this looks incredible!)
When looking at the gun on the mech (Armstrong J11 AC5), it appears to have the overall diameter similar to that of a human head, compared to the headrest of the mech. The average human head is *220mm* tall, so that is one huge cannon. For reference, the M1A1 Abrams uses a 120mm cannon. Another note, that barrel is super short for a gun of that size, which would not be adept for traditional armor-piercing rounds. It would most likely used a high-explosive(possibly dual purpose or squash-head) warhead or a high explosive, anti-tank warhead. Judging by the relatively small size of the explosion, we can assume this is the latter, HEAT. HEAT uses an explosive force to mold a copper cone into a small dart, which penetrates hundreds of millimeters of steel.
Seeing how it isn't instantly disabling the small recon mech, we can assume that the recon mech is utilizing ceramic or Chobham armor, a very good and lightweight defense against HEAT shells. The armor would crack over several shots, and would most likely be pretty resilient to lasers, due to its innate ability to soak up high temperatures. The missles fired at the protagonists mech would have also been utilizing HEAT warheads.
It paints a very vivid world in which weapons development has ground to a standstill. Humanity has created a warfighting robot in its likeness, but cannot seem to find a solution to ceramic armor, a technology from the mid 1900s. It's very interesting to say the least.
I don't know if the devs would even check UA-cam comments, but if so.. How much effort did you put into the research of current and historical weapons systems, and how did they affect how you created or recreated such weapon systems ingame?
Dank Meems It's Battletech. They ain't gotta explain shit.
NOPE NOPERSON Oh thank you for your thoughtful input.
Dank Meems
You're very welcome.
You might want to go back in time about 35 years when the franchise was first developed and called Battledroids, and ask those guys instead.
Also, as a student of the lore, this is Battletech. It's got walking robots, tanks with jump jets, ships that can travel 30 light years in the blink of an eye, and the potential for techno-religious cyborgs living in hyperspace on stars. To quote someone else, they ain't gotta explain shit.
It's a generally accepted fact in the TT community that the ranges are scaled down significantly for gameplay purposes. They know the numbers don't make sense.
I hope this turns out well! Havent played MechWarrior in YEARS! However, I'm not sure if the first person/human mode is necessary.
I'll never understand it, but there are people who thought the out-of-mech experience in Mechassault was part of core gameplay in mech sim titles. I remember SHOGO M.A.D being acceptable for it's time as the first to do so. It will be interesting to see if it can be done right this time. With a mercenary storyline, they have a chance
Am.. i dead... or is this really a single player mech warrior game..
Mw4 was single player..
@@chadplays3086 so was MW3
What's the latest news on this project?
A classic game back... This game is my childhood :D
Mechassault 1 and 2 were literally my childhood. I haven't played anything aside from those 2 (And MW:O) for a good while. Think this is worth a try?
This is still only Pre-alpha. While the older games definitely show their age, I occasionally go back to them because there's just something about them (Other than map size, many more Chassis', ground/air/naval vehicles and infantry [ai of course], and more weapon types) that just can't be reproduced in MW:O. Hopefully this new installment will be faithful to it's roots.
Heck even if it's just a glorified, more up-to-date PGI version of MW: Legends (A fan game they shut down a while back) I'd be more than happy.
I wish I could just go back in time man. My life was the best back then..
Mechassault games were never real mechwarrior games.
Idc they were my childhood.
I had a feeling MWO was some massive testing.
I'd love to see a campaign with all the mechs from MWO
Testing that failed, you idiots are putting more money into them?
ErgonomicChair Lol... you know nobody had to put any money into MWO... it was completely free to play. Or maybe you're so full of it that you use real money to try gaining an advantage in every game you can. You can buy the gear in game but you can't buy the skill to use it well.
Doesn't change the fact that it's pay to win.
GoldenDarknezz
And that, they pay wall the best shit for months etc. Then nerf them in "balances" after they can be attained by everyone else.
wait where is overheat bar
in a Shadow Hawk? with no LRM-5s that thing won't overheat even with an engine crit
i know
Bottom middle of the HUD, to the right side. It's directly opposite the throttle bar.
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Excellent work, do not stop!
The whole world is waiting)
14 YEARS!!!!!!! IN AZKABAN! Very excited to finally see a single player MechWarrior again.
"SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY" - Fry
This better have VR support (Rift and Vive).
At least TrackIR! (finally)
it does. You should be able to tell from the demo. But if you cant, the engine its made in is unreal engine and they support VR for at least those two(off the top of my head) So it would be highly strange if they didnt bother with the VR support. Given their trailer so far, doesnt look like it would be hard to add.
Epic has done some great work with VR improving the tech/efficiency of VR, they seemingly rewrote some of the rendering code for VR. Along with some other really great updates recently, This game and others should play allot better then current games. when they come out.
Oculus Rift support pack for $20. Add on Vive pack for $15.
Seriously? This kind of game on VR? Look what kind of games are produced on VR right now. Do not be stupid!
MAKE. ADS. FOR. THIS. ON. TV. PLEASE.
Hm would have liked the mech´s cockpit to open and the pilot climbing inside. If its a cutscene anyway then why the bypassing shortcut from outside the mech into its inside?
Hype! Awesome, I have been keeping up a MW4:mercs series on youtube for almost a whole year now, I'd love to do the same when this comes out, hope you guys can make this a great game!
// GTNC 100% tuned in!
I like that actual combat is slower. At least it feels little slower and it gives that feeling of ... you know we are fighting with giant multi tons mechs not some fast robotoys. So thats good. I hate all those fast mechs in MWO who run circles around you with full speed and shot you from all sides, and you cant even out turn them while staying in one place changing game into arcade shooter. Hope this wont happen here. Also heavy story driven single player with cool features, development, gradual upgrading, chellanging gameplay, participating in feels like real lance fights, customizations, and good role playing of mercenary mech pilot is something we all need now. So yeah cant wait to see this game out!
One of my biggest gripes with MWO is precisely that you CAN'T out turn a heavy or assault in a light, they rotate too fast, which is why lights and mediums are so uncompetitive.
They can. I dont know if everyone light can do it but if you instal good engines and got good turn skills activated you definitely can do this on level ground. Heck I was even out turn even when those sonofguns climb up. Many times. Thats why usually Im forced to just search for a wall and stand back to it.
Now this light Raven behave like real mech. He is fast but not crazy fast like in MWO. Also animation of walking and slowing down and speeding up looks better. Fire and effects looks much better. This is realistic. Wish they implement this into MWO.
What are you, in a Dire Whale? Are you just using a really crappy engine? I have no trouble outturning light mechs in my 75 ton heavies. Honestly light mechs would be pretty worthless if they weren't fast, that's their entire point. Not to mention they're this fast in lore anyways, the locust in lore moves at about 130 km/h. The dasher is even faster, since with MASC enabled it moves at a blistering 200+ km/h
Was out turn in Atlas and Marauder. Im not using xl engines in them.
You have my *attention*.
God, I don't know what to say. This looks so much better than the final product. The Shadow Hawk actually stomped around instead of the mech not feeling any weight around it. It was like MW3, but then they made it like 4. Don't get me wrong, I love MW4MERCS, but it wasn't accurate to the mechs. They felt weightless.
MWO has been fun. THIS. THIS. THIS. STORY. STRUGGLE. Building up an army. Feeling like a hero. This is why i fell in love with Battletech and Mechwarrior. Thank goodness.
This is exactly the direction I hoped you'd take, good luck!
Let's hope there's some sort of COOP mode. Would be cool to have a lance of fellow players to duke it out on Merc missions vs. bots. :D
So, Mechwarrior Online was a giant alpha for this game? XD
Pretty much, and if they blow it after 5 years of streamung crowdfunded revenue, tney need to be lined up for the firing squad
More likely funding campaign to actually sustain longterm development of MW5.
hardly they are trying to scrap the bottom of the barrel since MWO is and has been dying since coming out of beta
^ This
that would explain the $80 mechs
why does every support tech guy has to be this scruffy cranky old man. I want a god damn professional like the mobile field base dude in mechwarrior 3.
you try working as a war worn mechanic and see how you turn out.
Cliches FTW! :D
Lt. Foster! :D vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/mechassault/images/b/bb/Download_(25).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151009013120
Well it is a mercenary support tech guy and I'm pretty sure it's in the contract
This game is about a mercenary unit whose sole motivation, like all mercs, is money (this trailer looks like it's inspired by Decision At Thunder Rift in particular,) whereas MW3 is about an elite Inner Sphere commando unit on a mission to annihilate Clan Smoke Jaguar once and for all. Of course there are going to be differences in character and personality with your crewmembers between those two games.
Holy shit! I can't wait; I remember playing the original Mechwarrior in 1989. Loved Mechwarrior 4.
Really excited about this. It has been a year, what news on developments?
A new Mechwarrior game and not that abortion of a freemium game? HOLY TAPDANCING MOSES.......take my money!!!!!!!
It's from the same company as that freemium abortion, so I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Aaaaand it's Piranha Games.
Please be good, Please be Good, Please be Good.
Please dont add Mico transactions
Please dont be F2P
Please be a full fledged 60 bucks game.
And then before the dlc, it was a 50 dollar game
All systems nominal!
Please dear God let this have hotas and trackir support!
I hope weapon and mech configuration is like MW4 and not like MWO
Santiago Almendarez I'll never understand why people look up to MW4.
because it's the game we grew up with. It also feels different.
Paul Walker it was also a piece of shit and had nothing on MW3 or MW2.
DSRT888 I love the simplicity and it was really easy to customize. MWO was an absolute mess in my opinion.
Santiago Almendarez I'd recommend replaying MW3. Or even just look at the intro and the very militarized introduction to the first mission the campaign.
Wait. What happen
Mech Warrior, I 've never missed any version of this game. I love it
mechwarrior 2 was one of my very first few pc games. Played it to death. Been at least a decade since I touched anything mech warrior related. I am so hyped for this. IT BETTER HAVE A MAD CAT I CAN USE!
I hope we get dedicated servers, if there is MP. And some co-op would be nice. But either way, MW5 is long overdue! :D
Black Knight there will be no Multiplayer, that aspect will be MWO.
I know. Just being hopeful. Co-op would still be nice, since MWO isn't really co-op, just group vs. group.
Black Knight yes co-op I do hope for, but alas PGI has done the bait and switch before and pissed off their fan base. So hopefully since it is a dedicated team Russ has nothing to do with them.
Due to this being PGI, I expect nothing good.
DarkDeLaurel - yeah, I was so disappointed in their turning away from what made the series great. At least in the form of single player, that is. Fingers crossed it's a good one...