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Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth Hacker's Memory - It's Not Persona, Honest - Casp
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2019
- I never thought it would end like this... TIMESTAMP! (13:42)
Every Digimon RPG in a play list: • Digimon RPG Series!
Footage of accessories borrowed from Wrath of Zalis:
• How to Get Accessories...
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Games featured in this video in order of appearance:
Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth (PS4, Vita)
Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth - Hacker's Memory (PS4, Vita)
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Vento Aureo/Golden Wind
Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon: Another World (SNES)
Final Fantasy IX (PS1, PSN, PC, iOS, Android)
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Music used in this video in order of appearance:
Memories - Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth - Hacker's Memory OST
Fudie - Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth - Hacker's Memory OST
A Clue - Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth OST
Digital Wars - Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth OST
Epic Labyrinth - Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth OST
A Day In A Certain Detective Agency - Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth OST
Connect Jump! - Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth OST
Cutting Away Sadness - Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth OST
I Can Clown Around Anytime, but I'll Dance - Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth OST
The Cyber Sleuth - Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth OST
The Ending Has Lots of Coffee - Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth OST
(I have no idea what the real names of the songs are, but this is what they're listed as, and they're all magical.)
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Tsundere, Casp. Erika is a Tsundere
fuck
@@deejay3297 I don't know why
@@DreamWhale yea idk how u became a universal punching bag.. kinda cool tho eh?
@@Caspicum What's your thoughts on this video? ua-cam.com/video/W5LIknprvMI/v-deo.html
Casp: it's not great
Me:*starts loading gun*
You still go online? I do.🙂
I like the game a lot
@The Real Litten Fan
Same
Bro i bought this game for switch, forced myself to play it for 13h and i fkn hate it lmao most boring game ever and i love digimon, most likely ill never come back to it
@@josequintela2935
Bro, I don't give a shit about what you think
“It’s not Persona”
That’s something that a Persona game would say
shit i've been found out
Funny that the character portrait was drawn by same person who did in Shin Megami Tensei Devil Survivors 1-2, which another spinoff like persona.
Soooooooo, HM is kinda brother/sister to persona in a sense.
I just completed Complete Edition. I love Hacker's Memory more than Cyber Sleuth because of the story. The story in Hacker's Memory feels more personal while Cyber Sleuth feels more like a typical grand epic save the world story.
Yeah that ending… hits like a ton of bricks. Honestly Hudie are the heart of this game, they sold me completely.
@@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective Right. Hudie and Erika are the heart and soul of the story. It helps that Erika is a cute tsundere anime girl. Makes you feel for her.
I loved this game. I am a 23 year old guy who grew up with Pokemon Yugioh Digimon Dragon Ball and so on.
This is the best Digimon Game I played. I had a lot of fun and did not regret to buy it. But for sure I respect and see some of your points.
I respect your opinion and see some of your points*
I appreciate the comment! I can definitely see why people would love it, and I wouldn't hold that against them at all. Someone has to keep the franchise alive!
I finally got this game recently. Played the first one on PS Vita when it came out, got to the final boss and just stopped playing it. Decided not to pick this game up until the double pack came out on switch and went on sale.
I love this game. It's enjoyable and I don't mind the grind too much. Though I will say that there are points where it feels like the game is extended with a bit too much padding and the grind for some megas is a bit nuts. Also that boss fight after Yu is revealed as K can go straight to hell.
Digimon Devil Summoner - Truth Seekers
Digimegaten when
@@Caspicum
A collab between Digital Devil Saga and Digimon would be fun...
Then again, there was a Digimon season where the human kids would transform into Digimons.
More like Digimon Devil SURVIVOR
Did you know about Shin Megami Tensei Digil Devil Saga?
@@zerogravity3441 lol cause same art style.
Strong, introspective, emotional reactions are always appreciated, even if the rest is kinda lackluster. Means it's not a worthless experience.
Never thought I'd hear that about a Digimon game, tbh.
I personally prefered Hackers Memory to Cyber Sleuth, in large part because I simple cared a lot more about the members of Hoodie than I did the main CS cast.
I do share most of your gameplay complaints though, and wish they had used the time/money they saved with the heavy asset reuse to imporve on those aspects (I also wish Bandai had spent more on localization, because the Digi-Line especially is still a grammatical mess).
A small thing I really enjoyed was how, depending on your dialogue choices, you can actually "succeed" in HM's version of P3's "Operation Babe Hunt" and exchange digi-line info with a girl. Sure she only sends you like 5-7 messages over the rest of the game (mostly concerning her school/home life IIRC), but it's one of those minor touches I really appreaciate.
Missed opportunity in no real dating elements.
I'd love to date Chitose no homo.
I can see why you'd like Hacker's Memory more than Cyber Sleuth, I think the only reason I preferred the original was because I'd sunk 100~ hours in to it, and then did another 100~ hours in the same space and with the same mechanics and designs.
I've probably put about 50 hours into both games. I think Hacker's Memory edges out to be my preferred one by just a bit. I felt a little more endeared to the characters than in CS.
SPOILERS:
Erika's plot conclusion was important for TWO different factors:
The first was the whole philosophical conundrum of whether Erika's identity lies in her dying body or the computer that holds most of her memories anyway. This is why Hudiemon happened: she literally stuck all her memories into Wormon and just let herself die. She was content that Hudiemon "was" her.
The second wasn't a sacrifice at all, it was the complete opposite. If she let the whole timeline reset happen as intended, she would get her human body back but would ultimately die. Full stop. Writing herself out of existence was the only way for her to live her own life, it just coincidentally also freed edgy stoic guy of all his secret edgy troubles.
That's one of the reasons I think it was under-realised. There wasn't really a happy alternative. She picked objectively the happiest route to go down, and I'd say it was still a sacrifice, as any decision, regardless of loss prevention, was still a big sacrifice. You see a lot of that in her mind and memories, when she's in hospital and is treated like a freak when she just wants to be normal, so any kind of substitute of her purest desires is still a tough decision to make.
I think the ending was also great because we got to see what a Digital World could look like insider a Cyber Sleuth universe, and it looked sick.
@@Caspicum
>happy alternative
greatest solution: What are you doing MC!? Screw Yuu, go with her and have jolly cooperation in the digital world!
“The one where Casp talks about Digimon.”
"The Gang Reviews Digimon"
Wait, 3 years? I'm actually surprised.
And hey, congratulations for the complete Digimon series! Documenting reviews for every Digimon game is way harder than any other JRPG series.
That's just 3 years since Cyber Sleuth. It's been a fair bit longer for the actual series!
I feel so empty now.
@@Caspicum Yeah, I know, the reason I'm surprised is because that means I'm subscribed to your channel for at least 4 years now. I think I'm subscribed since your soft reboot, since World 1 when I discovered your channel.
@@setteplays Oh shid. That's dedication. I appreciate the frick out of that!
@@Caspicum If that grants me some kind of wish, I wish for a Shiren the Wanderer video in the future lol jk
@@setteplays I take recommendations very seriously. The entire Digimon RPG series was because people kept asking for more. If you ask for something enough, it may eventually happen!
>that platinum numamon at the end.
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I think there was a second one off-screen. I would have an entire party of PlatNumes and get a bajillion EXP per battle for funsies.
You know despite the tonal differences I thing there is enough conceptual similarities between Digimon and SMT where a crossover of sorts might actually be feasible.
Unfortunately despite having so much to work with they choose to play it safe with the same formula time and time again, not to the extent of Pokemon but still.
Survive looks promising though.
It's a bit weird how Digimon still isn't set in its ways in terms of the overall game design, but the experience is very safe. Survive does look solid though. I hope it doesn't disappoint!
a SMT x Digimon crossover would be perfection
@@Caspicum Digimon Survive just looks like a new SMT Devil Survivor game and I am so for that.
In all honesty I really liked the game. I learned never to compare the games to others of the series and just take it as is. In all honesty it’s good. Yeah the story is not unique but let’s be real, everything has been done before and making a story that’s totally different in today’s time is a challenge. Granted I would of loved more to the end game but in all honesty usually you just aim for digimon you wanted or start up again on a harder difficulty. Let’s all be glad it’s not like digimon world 2.
I think comparing games to one another is important, especially when they're from the same series, or present the same ideas. Given that HM was basically CS with a cherry on top, I'd say it's very fair.
That said, I am absolutely glad it wasn't Digimon World 2. You're so right.
@@Caspicum
More importantly, it's not Digimon world 4
C'mon dont tell me you didnt have any tears for Erika erasing her existence leaving Keisuke and his friends with that amazing Memories sountrack, i did and im not ashame to say it, Erika!!!!!!
Honestly what made Hacker's memory better than Cyber Sleuth, is the fact that there were no evolutions locked behind a quest. In CS, literally all Royal Knight digimons are locked up until the last 2 chapters of the game. In HM everything from the get go is obtainable (Except for the Arkadiamon line which requires you to beat the game once).
3:38 when your dab reflexes save your life
underrated comment
Casp: 2:07
Internet clickbait sites: White Nationalist Gamer UA-camr Uses Digimon And RPG To Attract People Into The Alt-Right And Here Is How
I wish this wasn't something I could totally see happen
I'd be so happy. No attention is bad attention unless you're a cheater or a ouija-enthusiast.
Shut the hell up
i enjoyed Hackers Memory, wish the gameplay had more depth tho.
Yeah, a lot of the combat is mashing through with Platinum Numemon and followed by spamming the Digilab.
Same, I enjoyed it.. just wish I had more to do
You guys could always play on Hard... and not exploit the platinum numemon for easy EXP...
@@FredMaverik all that does is make the game tedious, not challenging. It doesn't give you that feeling that the battle could go either way, it just makes it longer. It's the same issue that is presented when the pokemon crowd wants their games to be "less brain dead and more challenging". At the end of the day it's still rock, paper, scissors. But it's way better in this game because you have secondary attributes to consider. Though I suppose it's not used to it's full potential.
@@Hynotama unh....... No. There is literally the option "Hard" right there and you refuse to use it. It's there for those who want it.
And if you want a system with more depht, go play Persona or something. I have enjoyed Ni No Kuni too with it's monster capture aspect. Pokemon is shit nowadays, I see no reason to play it.
My favorite quest was the nerdy school guy that gets abused by the other kids and he takes control of them and tries to kill them. Really shows how bullying and abuse changes a person.
I finished it just in time. Didn't play CS . I really enjoyed it. Over 100 hours just messing around with the field guide. Thanks Casp.
You beat me to it. I am shamed.
You say "it reused a lot of Cybersleuth's assets," I say "it's basically analogous to Pokémon's split generations, but with completely unique characters and stories instead of just locking some collectible monsters to each separate version to actually justify buying both games individually."
But you're not forced to buy both games
@@leonardofarias8843 Yeah, if you're fine with missing non-story-related content that should be in the base game, like gym leaders, towns, the ability to personally capture the rest of that generations new monsters, etc...
You also aren't required to buy both Cyber Sleuth games, but they both definitely were separate games rather than the same game with minor differences. Also, the Cyber Sleuth games can be bought in a bundle to also contains all the DLC on the Switch and PC for the price of one game, at least, while you can't do that with any of the Pokemon generations to my recollection.
Wormmon is the best character, one of my favourite characters this generation.
I've always loved Wormmon because I'm an edgy boy and love me some Stingmon, and Paildramon.
@@Caspicum I just felt he was well written and hilarious.
one thing I love about these games is the setting, it reminds me of Summer Wars and it has to be intentional, it's only fitting since Digimon our war game inspired summer wars so I love seeing those two ideas merge so well
and I like the battle mechanics nice to see the Data virus vaccine triangle actually used in a game finally instead of a clunky elemental system based on individual Digimon's resistances with only general guidelines
but those are attributed mostly to the first game I can't really finish this one because of reasons until it drops on PC
Oh holy shit Summer Wars looks so much like Digimon it's not even funny.
And yeah, I dug the power triangle, but the weird secondary moves were too many, and then you'd be PlatinumNumemon leveling Digimon and spend 10 minutes deleting techniques... The system could be so great, it just needs some tweaks.
Casp O'Saurus I mean the guy who wrote summer wars wrote our war game first and wanted to run with the idea in a somewhat different direction if I remember correctly, I think cyber sleuth took cues from those movies on purpose for the internet world
I kinda like the secondary moves it can make your Digimon feel a bit unique depending on the evolution path you take allowing some type coverage but it is a bit clunky I suppose haven't played the games in some time
I was rewatching Digimon Adventure and I find this channel.
Subscription earned keep doing a good work.
The youtube algorithms have blessed me. I appreciate it, my friend!
3:53 I'm sold on Hacker's memory after this moment. 😂
Legit one of the greatest moments in the entire Digimon game series.
Thank you for preparing me for the pain the ending will bring me Friday night
>20 minutes long
Really going for that vacant projared slot
"Hey, gamers! Didn't see you there. I'm playing Hacker's Memory..."
@@Caspicum I give this one
"a broken marriage" out of 10
:^]
Coolidge OOF
Because ProJared was the only one doing shortish game review/analysis videos? It's true that most often it's either 10 minutes videos (most content creators), 40 minutes videos (most *good* content creators), or 4 hours (Joseph Anderson) but surely Casp isn't the only one that does 20 minutes videos.
Seeing blondie yeet wormmon has made me want to play the game lol
Honestly, almost worth it just for that alone.
I'd feel sorry for Wormmon, but I don't know the context yet. I think I'm on chapter six, maybe seven. I just met K.
Oh no! You should avoid this video!!! I spoil the big story, run away, gamer!
@@Caspicum I just skip. It was this video and the Cyber Sleuth one that made me get the Complete Edition for my Switch. Loved Cyber Sleuth and am having fun with Hacker's Memory so far.
Oh, that's fantastic to hear! They've definitely got some issues, but overall, are pretty safe, comfy RPGs.
I've been binging JRPG reviews a lot over the weeks in order to make a "smart decision" with all these PSN sales.
I appreciate you taking time to really comb through the criticism.
Thanks for checkin' them out! Good luck with the PSN sales, I hope you snap up some quality bargains.
I just finished Hacker's Memory on PS4 (wanted to play the first Cyber Sleuth but it was delisted from PS Store).
Do they explain all the missing things in the first game? (Ex: Crusadermon and the rest of the Royal Knights, Alphamon and Ulforveedramon dissapearance, Arata's Eater Arm)
Hopefully the games keep getting better and better.
I really enjoyed this game, but I can certainly understand why you would be disappointed in it. Hacker's memory is basically the game of the year version of the first Cyber sleuth. If you didn't play the first one but are interested in it just play this one instead. Also Erica is a treasure and must be protected.
protecc goth small tiddy gf
Chitose is my favorite Character in the game ❤️
YEAH! Best taste!
Either him or Wormon.
I just love Digimon, man. Including this game. I've already preordered the Switch Port.
Oh shid, I forgot about that! It's also coming to PC too right?
What a time we live in...
Glad to see the Final Fantasy Marathon is off to a good start.
Hacknal Fantmory
america getting its own port was pretty crazy
Aww yeah! More digimanz!
YEAH! It'll never end!
is this dlc?
Digimon racing needs dlc
Digimon Racing but everyone is Mario characters and it's a good game.
Lol thanks for grabbing that riveting "waiting for an opponent" footage.I actually liked this game a lot more than cyber sleuth but it was a lot of reused assets and gameplay.
How are you, my friend? Thanks for the footage! I was sifting around for online stuff, and found that, and couldn't not steal it, while I'm sure it was infuriating at the time, it's a funny video in hindsight. I hope you're cool with the credit I've given, and using a clip of your footage. If not, just let me know!
As for Hacker's Memory, I might've been a bit harsh, but there's so much potential in the Cyber Sleuth world, it was a bit disappointing to see it basically the same.
It's funny to see other people's opinion, cause I thought Hacker's Memory was MUCH better paced than Cyber Sleuth. I binged the game and didn't feel burned out by it like I felt with Cyber Sleuth.
My only problem with the plot its that the K story just ends out of nowhere, it's something that they could remove from the game and we wouldn't lose much.
Anyway, I really enjoyed Hacker's Memory and I'm excited to see what they're going to do with Digimon Survive.
oooo excited to see this vid
I hope it didn't disappoint, my friend!
@@Caspicum Yeah it was great! Keep up the good content
@@Ddiaboloer Thanks, baby!@
"I don't like it for the story."
Hackers Memory was a complete upgrade from the original. Better content, Royal Knights aren't locked, story and characters are much better. The only real flaw is that like the previous the pacing is shot and if you sank 100 hours into the first, doing it all over again can be daunting.
Yeah, I think that's largely why I'm not a fan. It's also happened with previous games where, despite improvements, it's still too samey for the length of it. I tried not to make any definitive statements on it because of that reason. Whichever is better isn't my call to make, knowing that.
@@Caspicum and I agree but you sold the story up the river because you only liked one character. Each of the character in Hackers Memory where more developed then their answers in the original game. The main story was actually related to characters, rather than the "Childhood friends who forgot" cookie cutter of the original. Even the main themes of digimon influencing mental data is more interesting than Eden syndrome.
Hackers Memory wasn't a whole new game so I get that, but it was clearly objectively Superior to the original in every way.
@@LordGrim1313 They didn't fix enough though. The combat is still bloated, and cripplingly unbalanced, the secondary moves don't do well compared to the Digimon-unique abilities, the digivolution tree is broken with platinumnumemon, Pierce abilities are still much more preferable to regular attacks, the Digifarm is selectively useful, party size is silly, I could go on about what they didn't even attempt to fix, and I think that a lazy sequel having more Digimon and more likeable characters (Although, a worse-paced story) isn't objectively better by any stretch.
That run speed thing was 10/10 though.
@@Caspicum I don't agree about the pacing. The story moves at the same speed, maybe faster considering its a slightly shorter game. As far as the rest, from what I can tell piercing was adjusted from the previous game, of course it's still effective. Why bother with penetration at all if it isn't effective. If they nerf a feature to uselessness that is not balance, that is just pointless. To comment on the rest I would have to watch your review of the first game since you skipped all that but I didn't have any of these issues, maybe because I don't grind as much. The only gameplay aspect that got worse to me was spreading out the memory upgrades to the point that I was stuck with a three digimon only party for over half the game. Otherwise it's more of the same but better at least.
Great video as usual. ;) I haven’t played the game myself but I have picked up the first game (although my son has played more of it than I have :P). I’ll have to give this one a try. I personally don’t have any problem with closely tied games sharing assets, like Ocarina of Time and Majora’s Mask. Some people may see it as lazy (and in some cases it is), but it’s not something that bothers me.
I love it in Ocarina and Majora because it's equally familiar and foreign. There's also enough new assets, or at least a new assembling of them, to make the world feel different and unexplored. Here, it's just the same world with mostly the same maps, which would be fine if the last game demanded it, but... Eh.
Definitely worth a try though!
I saw in some place taht it didn't have a lot of differences from cyber sleuth because this game is suposed to be like a waiting game, or a game to fill the gap between the new main digimon games until they are released, is game more to saciate the need of the fans for a new digimon game, but even if its just for that, this game is still good, i've also saw that its already planned like 2 new digimon story games, 1 new digimon world game, and i think like 1 or 2 original digimon games (i think digimon survive is one of them), so its a good time to be a digimon fan
Recently replayed this on stream, and have 1 thing to say... Chitose drips raw big digi energy!
When digimon survive comes out can you do a review of it.
Anything for you, sweetie.
so it is persona+ jojo, but it ends like madoka? got it.
I don't see the jojo
i actually don´t too, but this video was filled with jojo references so maybe it has something to do if you play it? maybe the digimmons act like stands, that are basically someone persona, so it is not that far off? idk
@@shadou1234567 vice versa actually. Jojo is an older series ,after all.
more like it's Persona + Kingdom Hearts, but it ends like Madoka. Kingdom Hearts because it focuses more on the good vs. evil, has that time travel mind fuckery, and similar existential crisis with Roxas that the MC goes through.
Idk if this was changed now for the complete edition after you played the game, or you just didn't know, but you can battle against NPCs in the online battles to receive the items. It's a pretty good idea since a lot of players won't find opponents due to their location and for not having psplus, or in my case the Nintendo online thingy
Why is enjoy chat only used in the intro and never seen again?
I could say the same for a lot of elements. The main guy only ever uses his visor once in EDEN, and it's never used again except to access the compute he's sitting in front of... It's weird.
@@Caspicum
I remember geting lost a few because There Kowloon and Under Kowloon feel like the under Kowloon should of had a different name
And besides that the online world is actually kind of boring compared to the real world.
I'm curious though... How do you feel about the switch/PC re-release? Would you actually recommend that one to somebody who hasn't played Cyber Sleuth?
I always recommend the PC versions over other platforms!
Good review. It's still a great digimon game in general but i can see your point in some aspect.
Well looks like we're not gonna see a digimon game review for a while until digimon survive is release
IT JUST GOT DELAYED UNTIL 2020. Not happy hey.
@@Caspicum if it means that they would further check for bugs and fix any problems in the game. I'm okay with it
Hackers Memory's story ending is one of the worst gut punches a game story has ever told.
The Capture Point fights remind me of Devil Survivor you should try that game series.
The Devil Survivor games are fantastic, I wish more people talked about them. Probably best to avoid the DS2 Anime though, I made the mistake of watching it first and it almost made me miss out on what ended up being one of my favorite games of all time.
I don't mind Devil Survivor! Weird hybrid RPGs with some annoying as frick bullshit moments like the Jezebel fight, but pretty cool guys.
I'd love to get around to some lesser-covered SMT games eventually.
@@Caspicum The problem is most, if not all, SMT games are lesser covered in favor of Persona.
Don't get me wrong I love the Persona series to death, Persona 3 in particular was my first Atlus game and I will always regard it highly. SMT however offers a kind of power fantasy and ideological freedom that's hard to come by in other games.
Also the soundtrack, half of my playlist is filled with just Atlus ost’s.
As for Devil Survivor I think the second one was a bit more forgiving in terms of difficulty, which makes for an all around smoother gameplay experience.
Yeah, I played the second once quite recently but one of the 3DS versions crashes, and I got that one :(
Overall, it definitely felt more forgiving. A lot more open and free, less strict in how you spend your time, with pointless, world-building events taking a backseat to character stuff, and it seemed like there were less gimmicks over all.
My first SMT game was Nocturne, so I'm up in arms about the series basically becoming Persona lite, but at least they can't retroactively hurt Digital Devil Saga and the like. :^)
@@Caspicum Huh, I didn't even know that 3DS cartridges could crash, or any Nintendo cartridge for that matter.
By “Persona Lite” I’m assuming you're talking about Apocalypse?
You know its strange I usually hate the typical “Friendship Solves Everything” trope, but for some reason when It comes to Persona I’m oddly forgiving about it.
I do agree that these elements don’t really mesh well with mainline SMT though. That being said I think Devil Survivor does a good job at combining the best aspects of both series.
Since we are on the topic of Nocturne could I ask for your opinion on how SMT presents its endings?
I’ve heard a lot of criticisms on how vague the endings tend to be, and how little they address the aftermath of your chosen path.
I consider this its greatest merit though. Most of the time the endings are left purposely vague, but they leave just information throughout the game to lay the foundations of what the new world could be like, and the rest is up to the players interpretation.
A lot of people would call these types of endings lazy, and for any other game I might agree, but for a series like SMT that emphasizes ideological freedom (usually) I think its the best design choice.
What do you think?
can't wait till they make another one of these without the limitations of the vita's hardware holding it back then maybe we can get something a little more well rounded, that and i wouldn't mind full character customization. be that the sequel would despertly need to improve the combat as the move pull out side of special digimon specific moves are so boring and limited
Still gonna play it and it's half prequel once I have a way to do it. I just have a thing for all games made by Media Vision.
PS4's are likely gonna get super cheap soon
When you said, this was a Persona game you weren't kidding and... honestly I kind of love it. Here's just a few of the things this game takes inspiration from the Persona series.
Persona 1: The Butterfly dream is used as a motif to reflect the desires of a girl suffering from an illness.
Persona 2: Major character ends up being erased from existence with only the protagonist remembering she ever existed.
Persona 3: Here is your Digital Velvet Room and here is your Digital Elizabeth voiced by Miyuki Sawashiro so we got it spot on, eh let's have Maaya Sakamoto play your favourite coffee detective too.
Persona 5: Let's fuse the real world with the cogni- I mean uh Digital World so digital information can manifest itself in reality... oh and for some reason the Shibuya underground is a gateway to hell.
That feels like the tip of the iceberg it's clear whomever made hackers memory really loved the Persona series.
I played first Hackers Memory by mistake so i like this game more than the original. I think the game could do more.
It's finally here.
I hope it didn't disappoint!
one of the problems i dislike about cyber sleuth and hackers memory is that post game just doesnt feel like post game they just revert the game to the moment before the final boss battle happens like id like to be able to see all the aftermath of the stories but i get it that it wouldnt make sense since i wouldnt have my digimon anymore i just hope they dont make another digimon game where all the digimon go back to the digital world again and revert back to the moment before the final boss
"He's the leader of the bunch, you know him well"
I see what you did there :)
Been questioning getting into Digimon for years ever since being a kid when the Pokemon Vs Digimon question was at its peak. At this point with Shield and Sword think I’ll start dipping my feet into Digimon for real now.
Ya got me ya Pokemon rip-off loving RPG nutter.
It only took the entire RPG series, but we gott'im boys.
Are you going to cover digimon ReArise the mobile game?
I think they added 3 Digimon with update and one of those is apocalypsmon from the end of the first season of Digimon and online match spectating is new with update. I think they wanted to keep this game alive but no one is playing it competitively
the think is, online rewards arent as good as they seem, also digimon cannot be transferred from the old game to the new game and some digimon got neft hard like Shinegreymon and Ulfroceveedramon which were top tier, besides its hard as fuck training digimons for online properly when not many people play and most of them are tanks or dps, the healing digimons are useless due to the amount of ps healing skills use, and the game is 60$ when i think it should be 40$ now the price is lower but on launch was 60$, 40$ for vita but 60$ for ps4 when there is no difference between the consoles while playing the game.
"Jacking in?" Reminds me of megaman battle network lol.
Gotta slam dat R button
Just finished playing this one myself. If I can give the game credit anywhere the plot has a tremendous amount of character development within it's main cast and the enhanced roster of Digimon is a huge plus. I completely agree that the post-game was a huge letdown but considering this game was only meant to be DLC for Cyber Sleuth I think it does an amazing job standing on it's own thanks to that story and it's characters.
Nice Review Casps
ty bb
How come this video doesn't show up on your channel's 'Videos' tab?
It should! Are you sure it doesn't show up?
@@Caspicum I think it worked itself out. Was only showing up in my recommended tab a while ago, but it's fine now. It was probably only on my end, sorry.
@@GyroJiro All good! I'm glad it's working proper now. On the off chance that something was wrong, I'm glad you brought it to my attention. Thanks!
I was dissapointed that hackers memory was really just dlc but i had fun and i love using megas/ultras in the fights
I also want to note that when erika is getting possessed by the eaters, her eyeball eaters cover her and theres one that just go all in on her lower region(go rewatch the cutscene) and when her head is connected to that floating eater you can see a strand of eater data going up her leg like a strap but its going up into her dress thingie, i couldnt help but laugh when i noticed those 2 details
The Abyss Server Quest is basically Persona in a Nutshell
that teaser in the last few seconds is kinda hard to make out because of the Subscribe and playlist buttons.
I recently learnt you can disable those by disabling annotations!
Edit 1: Okay that's a lie. Why can't you disable that shit I hate youtube.
Edit 2: Video has been fixed so that the teaser isn't covered by the stupid youtube crap!
@@Caspicum arigatou gozaimasu
@@Cathy5614 いいえ。
I loved this game. The domination battles were the best part of the game to me.
Kino is back on the menu boys
I remember someone talking about his outfit in game So its more like a work uniform The option to change clothes made a awkward moment
Bakugan, Pokemon, Digimon, Persona is my favorite
That's not a bad list!
I just finished both Cyber Sleuth games for the first time via the complete edition, so here's my thoughts:
Even with all the digimon in both games, Hacker's Memory is the better game. Unfortunately, it's impossible to recommend that someone just play Hacker's Memory since there are so many events that happen that would seem random without the context from the first game. Luckily since the Complete Edition is now the only convenient way to play either of these games, a potential player will receive both.
The plot and characters of Hacker's Memory are leaps and bounds better than Cyber Sleuth's, but that isn't saying much. This applies especially to the Player Character, who is garbage in Cyber Sleuth but has actual characterization in Hacker's Memory. The plot of the first is rather generic with a few cool moments, while the plot of Hacker's Memory has far more interesting and original ideas going for it. I'd say of the plot threads contained in Hacker's Memory, the K thread probably could have been either cut down a little or followed up on better..
Gameplay-wise, I can't comment on differences because most changes were backported to the OG in the complete edition. The only one that wasn't was the new Hacking powers, meaning that Hacker's Memory still wins due to acceleration alone.
The difficulty is weird in both. Hard mode spans from easy, to difficult, to literally unable to get one hit in on the boss because they cranked its speed up to asinine levels, while normal mode is incredibly easy.
Both games have incredible music, though Hacker's Memory wins on a technicality since it used almost all the old music plus more.
The huge list of menial sidequests is a strike against both games. It seems like a relic of the DS games. They could have used that time making fewer but better sidequests or improving the main story.
The fairly generic and boring combat is another strike against them, and seems like another relic from the DS games. While being able get any move onto any digimon is cool, most of them outside of the strongest basic attacks feel useless, and even then the special moves are usually better. The support and healing moves would be good too, but there is so much money in the game that items are effectively infinite. I'm sure that the asinine hard mode bosses worked against the support moves in terms of usefulness too, since the only time I felt the need to use them was against those bosses, but it showed effectively zero change in my actual turn amounts, damage, defense, etc. Then I'd switch it down to normal mode and then I was wiping the floor with the same bosses, again rendering the support moves useless. I'm sure some of these moves are more useful in multiplayer, but I have yet to dig into that.
Hopefully in the next Digimon Story game they're more willing to change up the gameplay from this, and balance the modes better. Contrary to what my complaints may make it seem like, I do think both games are very good, they just could use some slight improvement.
I feel like Chitose gets shit on a lot because he's the comic relief character
''I'M Dilbert!''
A true Japanese hero.
The Dark Souls of the Persona genre
The non-lit spirit of the meme genre
😂😂
Something I believe is important for the disproportionate amount of love Cyber Sleuth and Hacker's Memory compared to the frankly mediocre presentation, is the role of Pokemon in this.
And yes, I know, putting Digimon in Pokemon's shadow can be a sore point.
For the last 20 or so years, for whatever reason, Pokemon has been the defacto monster training RPG on the market.
Whatever your own thoughts on Pokemon's recent history, it's undeniable that people have been growing dissatisfied with it since gen 6, arguably since gen 5.
I believe Cyber Sleuth and Hacker's Memory being vaguely nostalgic, but ALSO a technically functional monster training rpg made by people who seem to care some amount more than zero makes it the hero of the hour, picking up the ball pokemon dropped, purely by accidentally being in the right place at the right time.
Hacker's Memory, then, I think gets some undeserving praise. It's basically an official romhack, like, say, Majora's Mask, that gets compared against... whatever you call Pokemon's 3rd versions, which is a comparison it absolutely stomps, because it's not an equivalent thing to begin with.
When removed from that context, both games are exceedingly mediocre, if mostly inoffensive games that accomplish the bare minimum to be "interesting" on every level an rpg is expected to perform. Satisfying grindfest, though. Felt the old Disgaea nerve to grind before the first major plot milestone hard, and Hacker's Memory's transfer bonus of letting you devolve into whatever you want was the tastiest reward for grinding a bunch of irrelevant garbage I've ever gotten.
Meanwhile SMT cries in a corner somewhere.
Quality comment. I'm not sure why people get sore when you bring up the Digimon and Pokemon comparisons. Did everyone suddenly forget the NDS years, where it *literally copied pokemon*. It's weird to see Pokemon copying Digimon now though, I will say... By putting out shitty games fuckin gottem.
You're right though, Hacker's Memory is definitely a step-up from what people expect from mini-expansions to monster collecting games. I'd never really thought about it like that.
“And then there’s this beautiful motherfucker,” I agree. Even though I love Ryuji to death, but Chitose has the most depth out of both games.
Chitose should be the protagonist of every Digimon game in the future.
I cried when I finished this game
I get that, I got a bit kicked in the guts too.
Hackers Memory is one of my absolutly favorite Digimon Games ❤️
I almost cried 😭 at the ending
It was pretty touching, hey.
Admittedly the ending hit me in the feels too😢! Makes me wish for a follow up Digimon World Game where Hudiemon/Erika has a role in the story!!!
Played the original one on PSTV and bought the duology from switch ESHOP sales, then replayed the first again and then HM.
...And all in all, let's just say I'm glad to (finally) hear an opinion that ain't all praises for the game(s).
*(Fair warning, this is gonna be lengthy one)*
Overall I would say I enjoyed Hackers Memory more due the gameplay improvements and added variety with the new stuff, despite it being rather shallow.
I also liked the improved roster as monster collecting is fun and praise the lord my boy Gotsumon got added as a starter. AND due some bought bonus I could make him "special" by wearing the goggles as well, signifying him as my starter. Great, awesome, loved all that!
I also think there as a LOT less running back-and-forth between point A, B, etc that Cyber Sleuth had - ESPEICALLY on side quests - though it still ain't prefect on HM yet either. Again, great, definitely take that as that was one of my most hated aspects of CS.
Also liked the new Eden areas and IRL areas as they brought more variety to the experience, especially on Eden side when it wasn't all "Kowloon 24/7" this time around. And let's just say... HIGHLY appreciated that one!
...Now to the things I didn't like so much. :)
Mainly the story for me. *SPOILER WARNING for reader, mind ya!!* -although I won't go into totally spoiling it. I've grown to not expect the most deep stories with Digimon, mostly expecting the good ol' "my friends are my power!! Begone, o' big baddy!" and that's all fine and good.
...But imo these games have some serious tone issues at times.... For most of the game (main story and sidequest wise) it's all the utopia like thing where after you first kick the boss's *** it's then to laughs and holding hands in agreement that we can live together just fine. ...Then it also tries to be SO damn dark and (even worse) so damn EDGY at the same time and it's like... If ya like it, that's awesome, more power to ya, but personally I find this clash more cringy and I just couldn't take this too seriously, despite the game REALLY trying to make me do so.
At one point there's the Ryuji's "DAMN!! Everyone I love dies!!" -moment which then leads to "Dark Ruiji" -arc... but before you can continue the story further; go do this sidequest for Chuumon asking for Sukamon and (forgot which)Numemon competing about their poop. And it goes DEEP to that, bringing the temperature, size, smell ALL THAT.... Again, I've learned to not take my Digimon games TOO seriously (and I'd argue the poop sidequest WAS really "digimon" in a sense) but holy *** did it clash bad with the trying to be edgy thing...
Worst of all, msot characters tend to have an edgy phase for one reason or another, like how in the first game - when you go fight Craniamon - Yuuko has the moment of "since when did we become friends anyway!?" -moment with MC and ll I'm thinking of is that where the *** did this spring out from?!?!? It's sudden and thankfully goes away rather soon but it's still there.
Then there's the stuff with K and I dunno 'bout anyone else, but to me it was fairly clear who they were gonna be AND their motivations for doing so as well. But the game tries hard to make it mysterious and "oooh who the heck is this mysterious character?!" -dialogue is going non-stop... There was one part I actually got excited for it, mainly the part K first takes the mask of and reveals the face I wasn't expecting. I was like; "Ok, game, got me here! Didn't expect that!!" and for a moment I was excited that I might be wrong about all of it. ...theeen I figured out what was going on and it was back into "trope land" again...
Speaking of which; the tropes!!
Now, I'm not one of those who hates the use of tropes. They get used because they work, thus they become tropes in the first place. But they need to be executed properly and not the lazy / shallow way and these games certainly do it the shallow and lazy way. Basically the ropes being there in an attempt to make things (and worst; characters) look deeper when they're not because this way they don't have to spend time showing it to player.
It doesn't help that each character is a trope and pretty one-note on top of it, thus it makes it waaaay harder to actually make any of 'em likable. ...And then there's "characters" like Rie Kishibe... Oh my dear LORD she's easily one of my most hated characters in ANY game! ''Oh, but you see, you're supposed to hate her since she's the villain, that's why sh----'' NO! Trust me, I totally get they want us to dislike her, but she is a BAD "character," a waste of the games developement time and when the first game gave her a "happy ending" I seriously bursted out laughing at that point...
Then there's Suedou who I THREADED appearing in both games. Not due his boring / flat characterization, but because one negative aspect of the game was emphasized with him the most. He. Never. Shuts. Up. (And yes, seeing I'm writing the bibble here I DO see the irony, but I wanna let this out of my system now that an opportunity presented itself, okay!)
A lot of the game is pages of dialogue is either a cliche or simply not interesting at all and it brings things to snail phase. And THEN Suedou marches in and goes "So, yeah, anyway, at the beginning of the cosmos----" and then if we're lucky he reaches the "Even the ancient romans---" -part in an hour of intense button mashing...
The reason I went on a rant there is that I've been critical with these games in the past and one card people LOVE to play with is that; "Well, it's Digimon STORY, so the emphasis being on it means the rest of the game wasn't the main focus, so of course it's not gonna be triple A!"
...But I simply don't het what they're talking about here. BOTH of the stories have their moments, they do, ABSOLUTELY. There's a nice hook at the start and an emotional ending in both of 'em and in general I'd argue the Cyber Sleuths story is overall at least rather fine. ...But Just because 15% of the story is good that doesn't make the rest of those 85% that are slow paced, dull and boring, run-from-place-A-to-B, bad dialogue heavy -parts somehow invalid.
Again, it has its good parts, not denying on that, but overall... if their emphasis was on the "Story" -part... then they failed on that one.
*TLDR: Overall my personal thoughts (on both games) go as following:*
+ Monster collecting is fun
+ Additions for Cyber Sleuth and new stuff in Hackers Memory is refreshing
+ Hackers Memory is also more (color palette wise) stylished and varied in its dungeon and menu design
+ The duology pack does contain "bang for ya buck" - especially if ya get it for cheap or from a sale
+ Anything Wormmon related comedy in Hacker's Memory
- Characters are dull tropes (some are even a waste of script) and dialogue in the game is really mediocre, doesn't help there's A LOT of it
- Story is generally bad and moves way too slow than needed, plus there are clashing story elements
- Some bosses can be somewhat "bullet spongy" and some even not that great design to begin with (looking at you Matadormon, the boss I "auto played"
EDIT: So uh... I paused the video at 2min mark when I wrote ALL this,
I'm now at 5min mark and seems our thought align a lot lol.
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Legit, the amount of people who sell this game and never tell you about any of the bad stuff is insane. I kinda get it, it's hard out here for a Digimon fan, but it'd be easier if you told the TRUTH! That's a hell of a comment, but a wormmon appreciator is always welcome round these parts.
Now the question is now that you are done with the RPGs of the Digimon franchise will you do the other games or will you move on to other franchises? Cause you'll need some stomach for some of the non-RPG games of the franchise
Maybe both!
Congrats on completing the full Digimon game review casp, you are one of the few that covers digimon games. I appreciate it. Looking forward for Digimon Survive too! I tried CyberSleuth but I got triggered with how slow the game is. The dialogue system makes it really annoying to me and I ended up dropping it due to how tedious it was. Anyway man, thanks for being an absolute madlad that loves digimon! Also Persona X Digimon when?
ayyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Shame you got bogged down in Cyber Sleuth, but I can't really blame you for that. The game is pretty padded. I appreciate the support, my friend!
@@Caspicum you know what I will give it another try, I try to get comfy with the pace o the game. Hoo boy
a megami tensei digimon game sounds cool
Can't Wait to see this Video on 4chan
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I get that they maybe wanted to make a sad ending from the start but why did this one have to be even more heart shredding then the first one like come on
Say what you will about Digimon, but the endings are always bittersweet, and that's okay with me. Grind for 40 hours, feel for 10 minutes. It's a winning formula.
I never finished Hacker's Memory. Just couldn't get into it as much. Aside from the bigger Digimon roster, it really didn't offer much worthwhile over Cyber Sleuth to me. Well I guess the side stuff for the 1st game was kinda neat. And it gave Fei a bit more characterization. My favorite thing about HM is honestly probably the one side quest with the bullied kid just because of far it went. That's probably the biggest thing that stuck with me.
Oh shit! I forgot about that one. I also totally forgot about the one with the extra kid. Wait, they weren't the same ones, were they?
This is a great video! Hopefully, you'll do one for Digimon: Digital Card Battle because that game does'n t get talked about much. Keep it up!
I absolutely will, Digital Card Battle was my jam as a kid!
I forgot all about Survive until you mentioned it. I love Digimon, so it's my duty to buy any game they put out. Survive looks weird though.
How does it look weird?
@@kanchomerocks12 Mostly the story elements. They seem very surreal and different.
I'm not saying it won't end up good. I'm just saying it looks very different than what I imagine when I think of Digimon.
@@GrabShiny
That's odd considering it's heavily inspired by the first season of the anime
I'm hoping Survive is more than just a cheap mobile-looking strategy game where you mop the floor with enemies. So far the animations look cheap and like a flash animation, but I really hope it's something special.
@@Caspicum
Well, the budget for the game is most likely gonna be low. So in terms of presentation I'm not holding my breath. What we should expect is something relatively safe but enjoyable in terms of gameplay and visuals while the bigger effort goes into the story, characters and atmosphere. After all, Survive is mostly being made to keep us occupied until the next Digimon Story game, which is being made for more powerful platforms as opposed to cyber sleuth/Hacker's memory
I don't even play these shits but I thoroughly enjoy your content.
You lot are way too kind.
in all honesty i enjoy this game, way more then the first one. no the game is far from perfect, but its still one of my favorite RPG to date! i cannot wait for a proper squeal to the first game however. like how the eaters come back.
I like the story and execution of the first one better, but the online play and digimon lineup (which included some of my favorites missing from the first one) were much better than the first. Plus I admit I cried at the end of Hacker's Memory.
HM ending was brutal. F for my butterfly!
Hey look, a Superior Pokemon game to any 3D Pokemon
I'd say I disagree but... I don't :^)
IF NO SPOILERS 13:42
ty bb
Just saying, missed opportunity to get Yu’s black coat as a post game item.
Would’ve preferred that over a mask that’s better off being sold for money I’m constantly getting anyways via the cases.
20 minutes and not one single use of music to pad out the video?! How does he do it?!
Bingo!
hackers memory was an ok game. . . but I mostly played for the pvp aspect, the change was great for sleep (sleep abuse was too OP even tho I was the one who was abusing it)
I think PvP would be cool if the game wasn't so slanted toward a handful of Digimon being stupidly over-powered. A fun concept nonetheless. I used it a fair bit in... Was it Next Order, where you had little Tamagotchi-esque battles?
@@Caspicum well the thing about the game was that 1 digimon can become EVERY digimon via di-digivolving and digivolving, and with enough time and grinding I have digimon that had skills that they wouldnt have in there evolutionary line from base to mega/ultra, so I thought pvp was fair if the person just knew what they were doing. And then they mega nerfed some skills which was good, but the CP cap was horrible. . . And perfect revival >.>
Man i never thought i will see depressed ryuji in this game.
It's not a nice look.
@@Caspicum sadly