Which FPV transmitter/receiver to buy - FrSky/TBS Crossfire/ExpressLRS for beginners
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- There are many radio or control protocols for FPV. Among the most popular are FrSky, Crossfire and the recently introduced Express LRS.
This video is about what each one means for someone starting in the hobby, with the idea to help choosing what protocol to chose for your FPV drones.
ExpressLRS receivers and transmitters can be found at: nordfpv.com/search?q=ELRS
Crossfire receivers and transmitters can be found at: nordfpv.com/search?q=crossfire
FrSky D16 based receivers: nordfpv.com/products/jumper-r...
Timeline:
0:00 Intro
0:33 FrSky D8/D16
2:52 Crossfire
7:19 ExpressLRS
10:01 Closing thoughts
Published September 2021
Thank you for this very informative video on a bit of the history of transmitter protocols. It's amazing to see how quickly the technology in this hobby is changing.
You are right. New things all the time
Learned a lot about the different kinds of protocols, exactly the video I was looking for. Thank you.
Great to hear! Thank you
Great informative video! Decided a while ago and I'm going all in on ELRS and I'm in the middle of converting my quads. So far it's been problem free with upgrading, flashing and binding. Arrived two more RX-modules from your shop today, thanks for fast shipping!
Great to hear! Let me know if you find any quirk with ELRS, I'll be interested in knowing these kind of things.
The best summary I’ve heard. Great job! I bought a Horus three years ago. It was my favorite radio until Frsky shenanigans. I invested in TBS and haven’t looked back.
Thank you!
Brilliant background to protocols, many thanks
Thanks Julian
New to the hobby. Thanks for a great explanation of these protocols. Very helpful
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the history and explanation!!! Very useful video. THANKS FOR POSTING
Thanks Michael
I remember those days with FrSky and the massive hassle of using that platform and their receivers. I'll never buy another FrSky transmitter as a result of that experience. They proved that they're willing to massively inconvenience their customers to protect their business. No thanks. I just replaced my FrSky X-Lite (with Crossfire nanoTX) with a Radiomaster Boxer Max with ELRS and I'll be moving my Crossfire module over.
100% agreed. I think Frisky has banished from FPV. They still have a market in wings I believe. But I’m happy with my ELRS boxer.
Great video! I haven't had time to explore Express LRS yet so it was nice to hear your take on it. No doubt that a lot of radios will be coming out with it already built-in.
Thanks Matt! I’ve been using ELRS for a while now and it’s great more than worth at least testing and I think it’s great to support projects like this one.
What happened with your Instagram account?
I put up a post and took it down multiple times because it showed up really pixelated on my phone. Apparently that violated the terms and my account got blocked
elrs>crsf
Great video! Helped me a lot! especially as I am beginning to get into FPV at the moment :)
Thank you very much!
Hey Iffster, thanks for letting me know that it actually helped you. That addsd to my motivation to keep doing this kind of content!
So helpful. I thought I was a moron when I had issues dealing with Frsky. Glad I found this video.
Throw it away if you have FrSky still. Get ELRS. Many are complaining it’s difficult, but once you learn it it’s actually so easy.
Thank you for this video. It was great explaining the difference in the protocols. A suggestion would have also talked about the telemetry of the protocols.
Hi, thank you for your kind words and feedback!
Great video.
very nice explanation, thanks!
Thanks
Nice overviev - thank you.
Thank you!
Great video thank you! I am looking to build my first setup. Do you have any thoughts on the new iflight elrs controller? I was going to build a hydrophobe / elrs fpv. I am not sure if crossfire has any advantage though.. 🤔
Hi. I don't think you will get any extra benefits from crossfire. The iFlight radio is not out yet, so no one has really tested it.
This is the video I was looking for. Thanks!
Thank you Parag.
You don’t know how much this video helped me thank you
Hi. That’s great to hear!
I have one question tho. Which radio transmitter would you recommend. I have my eye on two and that is the Tx12 and the Zorro
@@FireChicken747 I'll say like this. I like the form factor of the TX16S. I like the size, and I like the potential to customise. You can see the video I did on customising the TX16S to understand what I'm saying. But both the TX12, and Zorro are great. I think it will depend on what kind of form factor you like the most. The only point where I think the Zorro loses is battery time. It's just around 1.5 hrs with an external module working att full power.
Good to know thank you
I might go with the Zorro because I really like the game pad style design. And I looks more compact and better for portability
Thanks for sharing. I am not clear that point do I need to add module on Tango 2 pro if I go with TBS included drone? I am considering to go with FPV integrated TBS Nano RX and tango 2 pro controller.
Hey. A tango2 uses crossfire. So if you are going to fly crossfire enabled drones then you don’t need to add any extra module.
thanks for this vid!
Hi Piotr, Thanks for watching!
This video is helpful I was in market to get new setup n thinking to get FrSky X9D Special Edition and crossfire module as its been suggested by someone but I am open any better option that I can get n use it long time
Thanks
what Remotes might you recommend for Crossfire, that i can also possibly use for other planes/drones as well
Hey Trey. My go to is the TX16S. Check the channel. I have a few reviews with it.
I've only started to build a drone fleet after "graduating" from DJI consumer drones. Don't get me wrong, I still love my DJI drones, but I'm digging the FPV options and the community. I got some advice early on to opt for Crossfire, but now I think I'll start using ELRS for all my new projects. I have the Tango 2 controller but have been thinking that I want a bigger controller with the unique ergonomic needs of my hands. Now that you can get the Radiomaster TX 16S with built-in ELRS, it makes sense for me to invest. I do wish that controller had built-in Crossfire so I didn't have to figure out how to add and use the adapter on the back. Does that adapter even work as good as my Tango 2 or should I just keep using that controller with those quads? Anyway, this video was super helpful in helping me to understand exactly where ELRS lives in the history of FPV, so thanks for that!
To add an external module is just to connect it in the back. Then the configuration is exactly as an internal module just selecting external. Very easy. Take a TX16S ELRS and add the crossfire external module and you’ll have the best combination.
Great video!
Any sugestion of what ELRS module I should get for my old Radiomaster TX16S to get started?
I'm actually considering doing a video on the different modules. So far seems like the top of the line are Radiomaster and Nanimno, with Betafpv at the bottom. Happymodel seem to be ok, outside of the slim model which has gained a lot of praises.
There are 2 ears modules that go into the bay 8n rear of your radio.....depends on your budget
I’m going with ELRS since it’s open source and the hardware options will increase greatly throughout time 😁
Also ELRS has the lowest latency and the most stable looptime on the market right now. Pretty amazing for an open source project. But only on BF 4.3 and EdgeTX ELRS's full potential can be unleashed. You won't get the full experience on BF 4.2 and OpenTX
@@TimeFadesMemoryLasts what is lacking with 4.2/OTX?
@@ooOoo..... OpenTX only reads the stick sensors at 250Hz max. so you can't run ELRS at 500Hz with ultra low latency.
In BF 4.3 the whole RC code got overhauled and also support for 11 and 12 bit RC signals got introduced (which means 2048/4096 RC steps instead of 1024 steps.
TBS Tracer also gets the same benefits on BF 4.3 afaik.
@@TimeFadesMemoryLasts ah cool, thanks for the info!
Hasta la vista FrSky!
I hate companies playing the proprietary game.
Once you go with ELRS, you will never look back.
Pre-built ELRS Drones, especially drones with the DJI vista setup, to actually take advantage of its higher digital vtx range, appear to be nearly impossible to find. Any ideas on how to discover them?
GEPRC, betafpv, happymodel are starting to sell them. GEPRC just launched the first 5” freestyle with ELRS from factory, the mark5. The other brands have smaller drones.
Thanks for the info. Which Radio could be used with spektrum and Futaba receivers, Multi protocol or ELRS?
Also, to use crossfire, is there certain receivers called crossfire receivers or any brand like spectrum rx or futaba rx could be used with crossfire radio?. Thanks
ELRS only works with ELRS. If you have a radio with internal ELRS and want to use another protocol you will need an external module, and a radio that supports external modules.
@@NordFPV Thank you 🙏
Can you put the tbs crossfire on a regular drone?
by regular you mean DJI phatom style? if yes, then no, I don't think you can
ExpressLRS is replacing all my FrSky along with the TX16S with leather grips, GPS, BlueTooth and a 3 watt 915 JR module.
And ELRS is getting better almost everyday :D
Hi, I want to ask something, can FC Pixhawk compatible with Elrs protocol?
I don’t know the details of that FC, but as long as you have a full free UART you should be good to go.
Thanks… 🎉
Glad to help Miguel.
Hey, I have Eachine e010. Which radio should I buy to be able to bind it with?
Hey, I don't have experience myself with this drone, but doing some online research I found out you can use a multiprotocol radio like the TX16S and chose a protocol named MJXq, subprotocol E010.
To bind, you have to power up the quadcopter first always. Once you see the LED is blinking, it means it’s in bind mode and looking for TX. You can now power up the TX, it will send out a bind signal at the beginning, and the LED on the quad should go solid which means they are bound.
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@@NordFPV thanks, but tx16s is a little expensive for 20$ drone 😆
@@BrunoRakonic I use the TX16 as a reference of a multiprotocol radio, but any radio that has a multiprotocol modul these days should do. Look at the Jumper T-lite or equivalents from radiomaster
@@NordFPV ok thank you 😄
Still flying FrSky and QX7 and it suits me pretty great. I mainly fly cinewhoops inside and haven't had a failsafe luckily.
if it works for you, keep flying it!
Hello I've a Radiomaster TX16s (version 1) and the betafpv expresslrs
elrs 2.4ghz 1W Micro Module. I can't change the 10W value, in the module
joistick or in the LUA software, Do you have an ideia what maybe is the
cause?
Hola Antonio, The joystick on those modules started to work from V2.1 onwards if I don't remember it wrong. Can you check what version do you have in the module? It's anyway good idea to update to the latest.
@@NordFPV Thank you very much for the usual help to the community..
I've update (with success) both transmiter (betafpv expresslrs elrs 2.4ghz 1W Micro Module) and receiver (happyModel_EP_2400_RX) in the ELRS Software 2.5.1 version. I've have tha black one of 1W, but I can't change the Power, is fix in 10mW. I'm using the "regulatory Doman EU CE 2400, maybe is his? Is the 3.0.0.-RC1 version already safe?
@@antoniofilipe70 ah. You have it set to EU. Change to the other one and it will unblock. There’s a tip tool telling you this in the ELRS configurator
@@juancgallardo Thank you very much
@@juancgallardo It's working. You are the best. Thank you
Hi, which variant would you advice in conditions of penetration through brick walls and concrete?
If you stay on the first floor of a 3 level house, who will have a better/ENOUGH performance, crossfire or elrs 2.4G, flying throughout all these house's floors and around it?..
That’s a good question. I haven’t test this myself, but what I read is that this is actually one of the only points where crossfire wins. The fact that crossfire signal is in the 800Mhz-900Mhz range makes penetration better than a 2.4Ghz
My decision is to go with both tbs and elrs. bigger quads go with crossfire. smaller ones go with elrs. well, controller goes with frsky, which has a better quality, to be fair.
I'm secretly waiting for radiomaster or jumper to create a multiprotocol radio with internal ELRS. Then I have crossfire in the external module and I'm the happiest person in the world ;)
@@NordFPV Jumper is making one, it looks kind like DJI FPV controller or tango2. I hope jumper would make it with a higher quality.
Hasta la vista FrSky!
I hate companies playing the proprietary game.
Once you go with ELRS, you will never look back.
I agree with you!
Please make it possible to calculate shipping without basically placing an order
Do you mean at the shop? It’s hard since shipping depends on weight and destination and the system does it calculation after those variables. If you need help just send us at email.
I know the title says "for beginners" but hardly any of this made sense.
Wife got me a Firefly 1s Nano Baby ELRS 2.4 G for xmas & I'm struggling to figure out what I need to get to be able to fly it.
Mark, I'm sorry this is not making sense to you, I did my best to explain it as simple as possible. Would you like to contact me over FB messenger and I try to help you out? (juancgallardom)
what about flysky? is it good?
I have never used it to be honest. I can’t comment on it. But what I can say is that is not currently a choice for 99% of the FPV related people I know.
@@NordFPV which frsky recever should i buy for a 5 inch drone, I have a jumper t-pro
@@szabolcsszeverenyi7003 FrSky is a mess. I don't even want to give you an advice on that, because the chances of frustration for you when you get the Rx are so high that I don't want you to blame me :D
My only advice is: Run as far as possible from FrSky.
@@NordFPV okey, so my only choice is to buy an external modul or is there any protocol that you can recomend which is in the jumper t-pro?
@@szabolcsszeverenyi7003 my guess is you have a 4-1 jumper, and my recommendation will be to get an expreslrs nano TX for the radio and a ELRS RX to the drone.
Don't forget UHF
What about UHF, can you elaborate?
FRSKY have shot themselves in the foot. ELRS for me.
Yeah, I agree, they did it some time ago. The way they treated their customer make people just dislike them.
Thanks for watching!
Agree. They had a chance FOR YEARS to fix their software but didn't. Either because they didn't want to or didn't have qualified people to do it. Bye FrSky. I won't be looking back.