TBS CROSSFIRE DEAD? Almost. - Radiomaster BANDIT Long Range Fpv Modules
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2023
- NEW Radiomaster Bandit series and a historical analysis and comparison of other legendary long range fpv modules. Bandit is a 915mhz 1W ELRS module series. We take a look and project what may be the future of long range fpv. Will I finally be switching over to ELRS fulltime? We will see. Video by Justin Davis of Drone Camps RC.
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I use only Crossfire, on all my 20 something rigs. I'll stay with them, because of the quality, reliability and support... Crsf is super easy to update and manage. Consistency is key.
Thousands of flight hours in sketchy and dangerous conditions... and not a SINGLE failsafe.
I will never switch.
I love my crossfire module, and i also love my TBS Tango 2 as well for portable Crossfire lol..
The 2.4ghz ELRS TX Module is going to be sitting on the Bench soon as I only really use it for my ELRS Tinywhoops.
I went back to Crossfire.. I do like Elrs but it didnt seem to have better range and the Dynamic Power was always so slow to respond causing constant LQ errors at every power level step which is just annoying and misleading..
Even at 1W fixed output power it still did not give me the Range and Penetration to out fly my O3 video which is kinda crazy..
Looks like Crossfire FTW! Its also supposed to be getting some updates soon, and im assuming theyre going to continue fine-tuning the Tracer module which is kind of like 2.4ghz crossfire, with the lower latency of a 2.4ghz RC Link.
Same 👍
I flew EzUHF back in the day on 450mm quads but the receivers and antennas were huge and didn't survive my switch to mini quads. I flew FrSky for a few years before switching to a Crossfire nanoTX and it's been flawless for me. I finally had to replace my FrSky X-Lite and I got a Radiomaster Boxer Max with ELRS. I'll be trying out ELRS (mostly for the smaller antennas) but I'm not converting any of my Crossfire machines over...don't break what isn't broken. Also, the automatic RX updates are a killer feature for Crossfire that ELRS needs to copy.
Love it!! Can’t wait to use the Bandit for Mission Planner telemetry!! 😱
Great discussion of these systems. I’ve been using Crossfire for the last few years and it’s been awesome. On my latest build however I’m using ExpressLRS. I’ll likely continue to use both systems in the future. I sure hope that TeamBlackSheep can continue to supply Crossfire gear at competitive prices! Thanks for the video.
I think it was on an angle
@Justin, Can I connect this module to my laptop with Bluetooth to receive and run telemetry on Mission Planner? Basically turn receiver into a telemetry radio similar to TBS-Crossfire.
I use ELRS, and LOVE it. open source baby.
Let's go!!! Now thats Optimistic! I love my TBS Crossfire but I'm 100% down to try new things.
Crossfire 4 life 🤘 I made sure to stock up a while back. My Tango 2 is bulletproof. Never ever had a failsafe.
i enjoyed your review and yes it is something new but the crossfire from tbs it is old like a dinosaur but still rock solid and reliable and smaller shape and more consistent in connectivity and more easily to use in tbs ecosystem with fussion and unify so ... for wings tbs crossfire it is still the best ... and i have up to 2 w of power
If the Radiomaster Boxer was available as a 915MHz option, I would hand my money over today.
I run the Boxer with 2.4 ELRS internal and a Happymodel 1w 915 Module on the back. It's a nearly perfect setup for me.
I have considered that but for my flying I'd never use 2.4GHz.@@William_NS
@@RandoManFPV5.8 is for video.. 915 and 2.4 for radio controller... 915 has better penetration and better range but slower... 2.4 has lower range, slighty worse penetration but is faster.. So there you have it
@@RandoManFPV 915mhz is the frequency we use in the US (and Australia, I think) In the EU and Russia they use 868mhz. All 900mhz hardware will work on either band, as far as I know. If I'm wrong about that, someone will correct me, I'm sure.
@@guatemalamini perfect explination.
If you have a TX16S Mark2 Max with 2.4 ELRS configuration, can you use TBS Crossfire with it or would you need to order a 900/915mhz TX16S?
My TBS still ON, still on my backpack. But i use ELRS since my quad drop in a middle of flight with my TBS.
great video as always! I was wondering if the full module has the 2w hack like the ranger. could you please verify?
This was a great video, I am looking at building a long range rc car and was wondering if Radiomaster will release recievers in 915mhz like the pwm ones they made for their 2.4gh line so I would be able to plug in things like servos and esc's into them. I was wondering if I should just buy their 2.4gh module and reciever or wait and see if they release pwm recievers for 915mhz elrs. Thanks
Just 2 years flying and all I have used is CRSF. I haven't been able to send it more than 2km away because the video signal(Air Unit at 1200mw) gets laggy. What do you guys use for digital Long range?
You can try some Dji 03. Does pretty good
Started a few months back with FPV, and Bardwell said ELRS is the future so that is what i got. Took me a bit of effort to set up but i like it alot.
you also have to keep in mind that Bardwell appears to be more biased to ELRS than to CRSF because of personal preference towards the people involved.
@@grumpyoldnerd8727 Possible, i never had CRSF myself so i can't compare. Maby i will do one day just to compare. But for now im fine with ELRS.
TBS is just works. The ease of updating is a big plus. Also came from EZUHF and DL. It's nice to have stuff that just works. TBS ecosystem and integration is incredible. As long as Trappy's making stuff, I'll be a customer. The one thing that would be nice is higher bandwidth telem built in, for running Ardu builds. TBS just doesn't have the bandwidth to make it really usable. If they could somehow get the performance of an RFDesign style module, I'd probably make the switch.
Cant you run dual RX's? Then the one on the selected UART becomes the dedicated Telemetry RX to the ground station/possibly transmitter somehow?
Ive never actually had to do it so im not sure about the specific's.
Awesome info Justin and I’m digging this format for covering stuff 👍 Related to this, I hear all the time putting the antenna on the back of a long range quad but in my very unscientific testing front mount is substantially better. With the antenna at the back when you turn back towards yourself you put the entire quad and huge battery (if top mounted) between you and the antenna but at the front the antenna is always clear. What do you think?
Having a diversity setup with one vertical and one horizontal will fix that
Justin, where did the customer gold anodized SE flat 2-way switch come from? I didn’t see it offered in the RADIOMASTER on-line store?
It's right here Sherwood. Link : www.radiomasterrc.com/products/boxer-max-radio-controller-m2?variant=47853529301223&sca_ref=2839656.WsPT6NSjBm
How does one connect these modules to a radio? Which radio to buy?
How do these systems compare to the. R9M long range systems?
Drinking the same coffee while watching video lol. Excellent choice Justin
Do we full mavlink telemetry with elrs ?
I have had the TBS Crossfire with the Nano RX's and like 2 Micros RX's and I have 2.4ghz ELRS now as well with a Module. I think the setup on ELRS is pretty easy with the Wifi updating and binding, but still definitely not as easy as just pressing a Bind button on the TBS stuff..
I havent been super impressed with the new ELRS so far, except for how well it does on like a 1s Tinywhoop with the tiny ceramic antenna, but you could do the same with the tiny Nano RX as long as there's an open port.
Im still undecided if im going to stop using Crossfire, ill probably end up using both. Maybe these newer 900mhz ELRS modules will change things and it seems like it already has but i guess we'll see how it works out in different environments and how the durability is on the TX side and the RX side.
Hey bud, there’s a gift waiting for you at gingerbread House bakery, I left the details in patron. i’m glad you’re addressing the crossfire thing, I’m super curious ,Joe
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Hello,
are the receivers from Radiomaster ( Bandit ) compatible with Crossfire? Also the antennas?
Kind regards from Switzerland
Didi Webster
NO they are not compatible with Crossfire. Elrs receivers only.
Hello and thank you for your feedback.
Have a nice day
Didi from Switzerland
If you have your Ham radio license it’s easy to reprogram the bandit for 2000mw tx.
Not sure if I am stupid but what exactly is the difference between the bandit and the hacked radiomaster ranger going on 2W
If hacked is the radiomaster ranger still stronger in terms of long range fixed wing?
In regards of penetration and resistance to frequency clutter above cities?
So I will get good telemetry that I can use google maps and missionplanner easy?
Does the new silver one work with spektrum? I have an NX10
Sure if you have a JR Module Bay. I believe so.
I have no idea what the words meant. But I was able to Lazer in on the coffee type lol. Coffee Lives Matter JD!
Is the Bandit flashable to 2W as well as the ranger?
Probably already out 🤗
I love crossfire it never failed me.. so there is no reason for me to switch
Interesting looking Module. I'm pretty happy with my CRSF Nano though - #NEVERSTOPFLYING
Love crossfire, I'm sure I'll love bandit too
It's good to try and test
Great video!
Yes, I stayed away from elrs and stuck with Crossfire for several years. But I just recently helped a friend transition from 1.2G analog and 433Mhz link into the digital world (DJI), and I found it hard to recommend spending the money on TBS hardware without even giving ELRS a try, especially when we don't really fly far, and with ELRS coming almost for free if you're buying a new transmitter. Yes, TBS is way more user friendly than ELRS, but ELRS setup isn't that bad for anyone who has to deal with iNav anyway. Will range be enough with the 2.4G elrs? Not sure, no link loss so far, but we're limited to 250mW with the Tx16s built-in module, and it feels like we're getting close. Might need to get an external 1w module, or switch to 915mHz after all.
Bandit micro would be fine
Wow, you really cleared up the ELRS or LRS lol for me! Started with EzUHF to TBS and recently bought the Tracer which I’m happy with. But my most trusted is the Crossfire because it has never disappointed to date. I only fly fixed wing so likely not to switch until I need to. Thanks for the comprehensive review!!
If VTX is the limiting factor , and the undisputed HD king is DJI o3 , at least for long range, I get that some tx gimbals are better than others, but for pure range and penetration, DJI o3 is best HD system. right ?
Dji is not the king for hd long range fpv. There are others that go further and offer hd fpv. 03 is best for proximity flying
Simple fact: What this thing does today, 126km out and back, was surpassed by the fullsize CRSF in 2013. 10 years ago. Not on flat land but in the Swiss Alps. Just because ELRS is slowly crawling near the industry benchmark CRSF is for a decade now, it does not mean said industry standard is dead. You never know what aces Trappy can pull out of his sleeve when he finally gets annoyed
I’m open to see what all parties bring to the game. I have no allegiance to any one system.
and really the frequincies that are needed are ham 400 and below.. 2.4 is saturated which is why they now use frequencie hopping and dji calls it somthing else.. they use diversity anteanna true diversity and freqw hopping calling it light bridge.. but when phantom drones phantom 3 ended they stoppoed using hardwear i think we need hardware back this software defined transmitters etc well it is the future but what you really want for rock solid is hardware reason why military uses actual hardware and encription as backup
And does the BR3 have Gemini?
Don’t believe so
TBS last breath...an agony that will end soon. Tbs is history and ELRS is developing at speed of light. ELRS hardware is way cheaper and that is what all users and companies want. TBS has been sitting for years on their sofa, may be sleeping ?
Nothing will beat a tbs. They are ahead of there time. All these modules are just now coming out and are not better. What does that say about tbs.
Also dagonlink
Long live crossfire and is so easy to upgrade .
Go heels!
Yeewww!!!!!
At this point I dont know why everyone isnt using ELRS, its cheap, available in tons of combinations that mostly all work together, simple to setup, never drops and gives absurdly long ranges even in 2.4. Its all I'll be using unless something better comes along
I’ll have to agree. I think people should be more open to new stuff. Like the DIY spirit of what got drones started in the first place.
I’m willing to experiment that’s what got me started using TBS moving over from UHF.
I mean, I could be the guy sitting around saying I’m gonna use UHF forever. I’m never using TBS that a bunch of junk that’s not well tested like UHF.
Or you can take them on to be open to things test and find out that maybe there’s something better out there after all. And then again, maybe it’s not maybe some stuff better. Maybe some stuff needs some work. But it is open source and that’s exciting.
@@dronecamps You summed it up pretty much how I feel but a lot more eloquently. I particularly like the open source nature of it, but at the same time its very user friendly.
In my opinion,
CF = Apple Ecosystem
ELRS = Custom Gaming PC
I use both. 🙌🏻
1) ALL the gamepad style ELRS remotes SUCK, Tango2 doesn't.
2) CRSF is WAY easier to update.
3) Many ELRS product are made by terrible manufactures with fatal flaws.
4) My T-lite ELRS 2.4 failsafes as it doesn't have the range needed by my DJI vtx.
I'm not saying 1 is better than the other but it's easy to see why people use CRSF.
Not dead, It's all I use.
My last build with diversity I did a t horizontal at the back/lower of the quad and a bardpole veritcal above and slightly in front.
Worked great. Huge setup, but I'd rather that than the alternative issue.
reason why they are dead they stopped inovating stopp;ed updating just said screw it... thats why first sears did this and many stores too stuburn to get with the times stuck in their ways only caring about profits.. reason for closing things off same with crossfire i had so many issues with them with their products i gave up since going to elrs i never looked back
Great video thank you.😊
Crossfire for life 🤙🏼
Maybe. 🤙🏼 If they can keep it together as a company.
Been using Crossfire since 2018, 0 failsafe till date.
Ive seen a lot of people failsafe with ELRS at my field because of bad QAQC. Ive seen a lot of people not get ELRS running at my field. Maybe radiomaster is better - IDK - crossfire is expensive for a reason.
A question haunted me for years: have you guys ever been troubled by the poor quality products and bad custom service of Radiomaster and TBS? I'm asking because on the other side of earth, you always hear people talking about TBS' void after sale, RM transmitters' infinite quality issue, those I can barely see on English media. Personal exp lead me to believe they sale QC failed products to China only to maximize profit, but I can not prove.
For quads and planes that I have decked out with Cameras, VTX, GPS etc., I Only trust Crossfire. Proven system to get my craft back safely.
Have you tested elrs?
Smh... nope. Elrs is a pain in the ass, when compared to Crossfire, and has failsafe on me.
I will stick with crossfire. 👍🙏👍🙏
I’m flying both but because I’m testing these 👍🏻
Almost? Nah. Not even close.
Coming
hell no crossfire not dead, ball tf up on reality. Are you going to change 30 of my crossfire quadcopters over to bandturd elrs for what benefit ? Cause i certainly am not, and the 2 10in quads ill order soon im pretty sure will have crossfire diversity on them . Where is bandit diversity at ? F radiomaster. Nothing beats the gimbals on x20s frsky remote.