What would've been an awesome ending is if the Star Destroyer entered the Earth's atmosphere and that would be the "asteroid" that killed the dinosaurs....
Grey Jedi storm troopers don't miss everything! Tantive four, killed the rebels in 30 seconds, GT stated in the video, the apparent luck in the movies that stormies miss central characters, if you don't notice rebel soldiers always die.
Darth Vader berates his Stormtroopers after they repel the invaders. Vader: "I told you I wanted them alive! Why are they all dead!?" Stormtooper: "I don't know. We had our blasters set to stun."
This is a droll replay of Lord Krugh (sp?) (Christopher Lloyd) scolding his weapons officer for erroneously destroying the USS Grissom in Star Trek: The Search for Spock (1984, Paramount, Leonard Nimoy, James Horner).
Data: This is relatively easy too access, their data banks are very crude. boarding party what is your situation? Red shirt 1: HE HAS A SWORD! HE HAS A SWORD!! Red shirt 2: I'm chocking!!! Red shirt 3: HOW IS THIS HAPPENING?!?!
Red Shirt 4: "AHHH! I'm floating in the air!" Red Shirt 5: gets thrown against a bulkhead where his head is caved in Red Shirt 6: gets hit in the head by a random cargo container that Vader force throws at him from behind. Red Shirt 7: "NOW WE'RE BEING ATTACKED BY THE CARGO!"
@@aeonreign6456 Vader can block blaster fire with his light sabre and his hand. I'm sure he can block phaser fire in a similar way. I sense a bit of force magic involvement here.
@Sharpe Tutor - while Red Shirt 10 has dumped the data of computer core to the Enterprise & later gets crushed by Vader in revenge, while the Enterprise warped away
Aren't Star Wars ship's engine exhausts unshielded? Star Trek sensors would undoubtedly pick up on this and any Star Fleet Captain would exploit this obvious flaw in the ship's defenses by targeting the engines.
Let's do another shall we... Vader vs Locutus. -Vader: You are no match for the power of the dar.. -Locutus: WE ARE THE BORG. YOU, WILL BE ASSIMILATED. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. AND WE HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!!! -Vader: Oh Shut UP!
@@darthauthorone6329 i heard that an imperial-class star destroyer has around 9,000 stormtroopers onboard. also, while it is in a legends comic, an isd has anti-boarding measures like flamethrowers.
Komandor Cliff you call people assholes and wankers but you’re the one rudely replying to people that write ways that the federation could beat the empire the only asshole here is you
However, while he is watching, he observes Lord Vader decimate the Borg with on the ground with his lightsaber and Force abilities as well as in the air with his TIE Advance X1. Feeling the hatred from Vader, he quickly decides to teleport this black armored nightmare tank on legs back to his proper timeline.
Worf - Sir, we can transport a torpedo onto their bridge or engine room, their shield emitters are comparable to our navigational deflectors Picard - No Mr Worf, we will not resort to that extreme of a tactic, we are better than that Molly - JEAN LUC BLOW UP THE DAMN SHIP Picard - there is always a diplomatic compromise *a gaggle of redshirts materializes on the bridge of the Star Destroyer Vader - NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo
Shields on a star destroyer are able to withstand multiple impacts from astroids half the size of the enterprise. A star destroyer has two different types of shields as well: a ray shield that prevents energy based weapons from causing damage, and an energy shield that blocks physical objects (as backwards as that sounds)
SO lets go over what might actually happen if these two ships met and fought. First. the enterprise has a "high ground" advantage that the empire can never overcome (until they have the tech) Superluminal tech. Empire has none. Starfleet is designed around it. Warp Drive, Sensors, Transporters Enterprise can SEE the battlefield in real time even at light year distances. Empire can not. they are limited to light speed. they can MOVE faster than light via hyperspace but they can not fight see or sense faster than light. this is a high ground advantage data and picard would recognize almost instantly and their battle tactics would change immediately. tie fighters "jumped" enterprise? seriously? and something as large as an SD "snuck up" on them around the planet? seriously? SO assuming the two ships "WILL" fight. Here is how the battle would go. First thing enterprise would do is stand off to take advantage of their "superluminal high ground" capacity. 5 light seconds would be plenty. NOW anything vader see's is 5 seconds old while enterprise can still see in real time. lob torpedo's take out shield generators (is an x wing can take out a shield generator a torpedo sure as heck can) then proceed to dismantle the ship with abandon. vader would never land a single shot. he would be so outmatched it would be like enterprise against space shuttle endeavor. once shields are down they can just beam a torpedo into their engine compartment. boom. one shot one kill. this is not to say ST is superior to SW. both are fantastic properties. but the tech divide is simple enormous. a "runabout" could defeat an SD or even the death star itself. Give me a shuttle with no real weapons just transporter and tractor beam and warp drive and I can still defeat and SD relatively easily. First try and beam critical components OUT of the ship. engine core? what engine core. there is it floating in front of your bridge. have fun. can't do that? KKV. go grab an asteroid. drag it on a path to intercept the SD at 75% the speed of light. no shields they can erect can dissipate that much energy and they are not maneuverable enough to get out of the way of such a thing or target it. it would hit them at almost the same instant they noticed it. CPT: Lorder vader there is... WHAM ship is inonized gas particles.
@Komandor Cliff I don't remember any mention of cybernetics from the eugenics war, but I know in the new Picard series, that "synthetics " are a big no, no. Where would Vader fit? By the federation's criteria, he'd almost be a Borg.
@UCTWv_UoD7SvameysnN5T0nA well, the comment section won't let me read your whole comment , so I'll reply as best I can. I know little about Starfleet medical's tissue regeneration. I missed that episode. I remember reading a book ( I know, they're not canon), when a Borg, that they disconnected from the collective couldn't take it, and put her fist through a window. The force field that plugged the breach, severed her arm, and was replaced with a cybernetic prosthetic. Just made me think.
@Komandor Cliff Actually prosthetics technology is very advanced in Star Trek. In DS9 Nog got a new leg after his had to be amputated, Geordi's Visor and eyes, In Discovery Airiam has a virtually entirely cybernetic body. There's a difference between cybernetics and the Borg. The Eugenics War was about genetic tampering. The Federation does have gene therapy and corrective procedures, the laws are against improving humans through artificial means.
I don’t want to be that guy, but the stormtroopers on the Death Star were given deliberate orders to let them escape. And it’s not like this is from some secondary source. They say as much in a new hope, when Vader asks the stormtrooper commander whether the homing beacon is well secured on their ship, heavily implying that they were intentionally let go in order to help lead the empire to the rebel base. Princess Leia even says it herself, that their escape was too easy and that they must have been let go.
In Star Wars, A New Hope, the Death Star Storm Troopers deliberately missed the main characters even when standing still because Vader ordered his troops to let them escape in order to track the Falcon to the rebel's base. A fun video to watch. Thanks for producing it,
correct. also, tos was really the only star trek series that threw it's crew's lives away like that. serving on literally any ship that wasn't under kirk's command was fairly safe
No, in TOS the blue shirts were science, red engineering, and yellow/gold tactical. But in the next gen. Science is the same, but the others have swapped colors.
I gave this video a like for two reasons. First, the line about Stormtroopers: "They can't seem to hit a primary character even if he's standing still." Second, the bit about how the boarding party was going: "How's the boarding party going?" Scene cuts to Darth Vader mowing them all down. LOL. Epic Comedy! :D
These ships are always shown to have very weak or ineffective shielding. The Enterprise E would disable large sections with phasers alone. Quantum torpedos would blow it apart.
I hate how star wars fan boys always overlook the transporters It makes me laugh that a x wing weapon can penetrate the shields but fan boys think a sovereign class could not Even if they couldn't it would be 2 phaser shots to the shield emitors then a few armed torpedoes transported next to the star destroyers reactor and then game over
Wow, you managed to go fully ignorant. The shields of an ISD can take 5 minutes of continuous fire from another ISD which has 60 Turbolasers that are ~8gigaton equivalent. The Fire Power of a Photon Torped is 64 megatons and the Quantum is 128 megatons. The Phasers are barely 4 megaton. The Enterprise doesn't have the Power needed to even make the shields flicker.
@@scottanderson1170 not sure what beta cannon your quoting and would have liked to discuss, but you’re a weirdo who should go back to his basement and not insult people trying to have a fun a conversation
agreed, even if The Force was limited to telepathy (which its not) Troy is limited in her telepathic abilities to mostly be empathic, not even fully able to read peoples thoughts. In the past there have been other far more powerful telepathic entities that have knocked her on her ass. In a situation where she was able to read Vader's emotions I feel the raw hate he exuded would mentally shock her. Then we get to the reason why Vader can manipulate physical objects (telekinesis) while Diana can not, The Force. Obi Wan told Luke it's "an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together.". It is part of every part of the enterprise, it is part of all of the crew and having The Force allows those who wield it to be able to manipulate it. That's why a force choke would be able to affect Picard and Diana would not be able to do anything about it, because she does not have telekinetic abilities that comes from being a Force user.
+L Plunk - But Darth Vader´s emotional mess can be triggered by even the weakest telepath or even a normal human with insider knowledge ... that will leave Vader vulnerable for some time & also cause him to destroy his own bridge ( & more)
+Killerspieler0815 - The problem is Troi is not a telepath in the traditional sense, because she is only half Betazoid she is limited to being an empath. While she can feel others emotions and get vague notions on their intentions she can neither fully read peoples mind, trigger emotions in others or control their mind. That was Star Treks way of handicapping her so that there would be tension, I mean all the battles on TNG would be over in a second if she was a full on telepath. Darth Vader is a trained Jedi and Sith Master. After becoming a Sith he was tasked with wiping out all the remaining Jedi (all whom had telepathic powers) so to think he would be an open book for any telepath (let alone an empath) to read and manipulate seems a bit far fetched.
I know the Video is 2 years old which makes my comment being slightly late... lol... but In this battle my money would always be on the USS Enterprise E. Not because I like Star Trek more than Star Wars which is not the case... I value both equally entertaining... but because it would take Mr. Worf and Mr. Data about approximately 30 to 60 seconds tactical analysis scanning the Star Destroyer that it doesn't have any significant protection or fire-power at the rear because of the rocket like propulsion system. That means for the Enterprise with its higher manoeuvring capabilities they only have to stay behind the Star Destroyer, boost front shields and concentrate fire at the Star Destroyers engines to essentially take the whole ship down without risking to expose it self to the full weapons artillery of the Star Destroyer. Also once the Star Destroyers shielding is compromised and offers opportunities to transport anything inside it is most likely that Commander Worf would suggest beaming a couple of Quantum Torpedos to ship critical locations inside the Star Destroyer and detonate them with a 3 second delay which gives the Star Destroyer crew next to no chance to defend their ship from the blasts. Bye Bye Star Destroyer...
@Komandor Cliff I agree a Star Destroyer hosts a massive amount of small fighters, which actually have no real protection against particle infused energy weapons. A phaser burst of 0.5seconds would be enough to deal with Tie-fighter or Tie-Bomber. The auto targetting system of the Enterprise D would very likely be sufficient to be tasked with taking care of that problem. The Enterprise D can employ up to 12 phaser beam arrays of its weapons at the same time means 12 shots every 0.5 seconds. How long until all Tie-Fighters and Tie Bombers have been shot down? Probably not very long. That does not include the front and aft photon torpedo launcher (8 front at a time and 4 aft at a time) of which if each being detonated detonated within a group of small craft can take out a whole group instantly. Also there is the issue that a small craft can only pass the Shields of a Starfleet Vessel if that small craft or its own shields match the exact wave frequency otherwise a small craft will just bounce off of the deflector field of the shields leaving a short shield recharge spike behind. Same goes for bombs and torpedoes. That is the reason why even torpedoes from within the Star Trek Universe have only very marginal effect on a Star Ship with fully charged Shields and requires an enemy vessel to drain the Shields of a Starfleet Vessel with energy based weapons to have any significant effect. So no diving underneath a Starfleet Vessel's Shield. Sorry, the Star Destroyer is still toast.
In general I'd give it to the enterprise. Faster. More maneuverable. Federation has better long range sensors. Better long range communication. Transporter tech.
@Komandor Cliff I believe there was at least one instance of the federation beaming torpedoes into a ship. But it was by janeway against the borg. That's a pretty dire situation.
To me, I'm a fan of both. It's SI FI... But if I were to go in the argument, here's what I'm seeing from each one. Whether or not SW is using Lasers or Plasma, ST has dealt with it a century before and can combat it with ease. From Balance of Terror to Vegr (which threw far more high energy Plasma at the Enterprise than the SD's could muster up using every turbo laser at once) and yet we are talking about a century before the Enterprise E. If you are talking about Lasers, I like to refer you to a quote from Picard "They can fire their Lasers until they run dry and they wouldn't do a thing to this ship." Now people like to point to Q Who where the Borg used a laser to cut into the haul of the ship, but I must remind people that the Borg brought down the shield before using the laser cutter.
"The redshirts are failing" Seriously? In the TNG era, the division colour of starfleet security (and engineering) is yellow, not red. This means that redshirts would, in this fictional encounter, be command personnel, who would probably not be included in a boarding party.
you know it doesn't matter if their shirts are neon green, the term redshirt will forever refer to any nonMC/RC character carrying a weapon as starfleet combatants.
Command crew always go on away missions. Every episode of star trek and all the movies to make my point Canon. The bridge crew are used in boarding actions, hazardous surface missions and everything in between so sending command staff from other departments won't matter too much to Picard, he's got loads of them.
So, even being a Trekkie before all else, this kind of comment annoys me. It's patently clear SW ships have shields, and that their "turbolasers" are more like the magnetically bottled plasma of Stargate's staff weapons (and also Goa'uld ship-based weapons). That's not to say I think the Star Destroyer would win, just that if you're going to argue in favour of Star Trek, please don't use such intellectually dishonest arguments.
The Enterprise has superior targeting and range (250,000-300,000 km, TNG: The Wounded) and can swat a squadron of fighters in seconds with a single phaser array (TNG: Conundrum), and it has 16 phaser arrays. This is not even mentioning the Enterprise's 10 photon (matter-antimatter) and quantum torpedo launchers. The Enterprise also has better maneuverability and acceleration than the wallowing Star Destroyer. The original Enterprise could accelerate 0-.25c (75,000 kps) in less than 19 seconds (ST:TMP). The Enterprise E is much faster. Many arguments could be made for greater firepower, but the fact is that when it comes to firepower feats, Trek phasers have much more impressive showings than SW Turbolasers. Also, if utilization of the Force comes into the scenario, there is little proof that Force powers would work effectively on the objects/people of the Enterprise. Midiclorians do not reside in the lifeforms from the Milky Way Galaxy, and the technology (not to mention powerful telepaths) certainly exists that would be able to detect such lifeforms. No Midiclorians, no energy-field for Sith/Jedi to manipulate. Stories and scenarios notwithstanding, my opinion is that in a straightforward and canon assessment of tactical abilities between the two ships is a no contest. The Sovereign Class Enterprise finishes this engagement in minutes, if not seconds.
The issue is that the Federation Ships could only destroy the Fighters. They could fire all day with all their phasers and torpedo and not even put a strain on the shields of a Corellion Corvette let alone a Star Destroyer.
@@scottanderson1170 TNG era phasers can cut miles into a planetary crust in seconds and one-shot asteroids as large or larger than the one that sheered off the Star Destroyer's bridge during Empire Strikes Back. A fleet of just 40 ships in the TNG era could annihilate 30% of a planet's crust in one weapon salvo. Hundreds of years prior to that era, an NX class starship could destroy a mountain the size of Mount McKinley in one strike. A single TNG era photon torpedo can destroy everything within 100 km. Star Wars capital ships have no canon firepower feats to match any of this, with the exception of the First Order Siege Dreadnought, which was known to have slow recharge times, and the Xyston-class Star Destroyers, which are essentially planet-destroying cannons with all the durability of tin foil. Suffice to say, there's no evidence to support the idea of Star Wars shield superiority.
@@Acrosurge A: The phasers drilled small holes in a crust that was soft by terran standards. B: No asteroid that phasers or photon Torpedoes destroyed has come close to the size of the one that hit the Star Destroyer bridge and was pulverized against it. Canonically that same ship that took the hit was the one that the Millenium Falcon hid on the back side of it's control tower. Everything you have posted is fallacious at best.
@@scottanderson1170 Bruh, I watched the scene with the asteroid. "Canonically in out-of-movie sources" isn't canonically. The asteroid killed the bridge crew at least, since the hologram of the admiral of the hit ISD flickers and disappears in the very same scene three seconds afterwards.
WRONG!...I love how everyone in these StarTrek vs StarWars vids seem to forget certain technological aspects of StarTrek that virtually makes this skirmish an easy win for the StarTrek....The SUPERIOR targeting systems combined with the SUPERIOR computers and sensors of the Federation ship would have easily disabled all power sources, shields, and weapons on the the destroyer leaving it a floating paperweight...End of battle. I'm a huge fan of both Universes, maybe leaning more towards the StarWars Universe, but I'm atleast honest about the scenario. StarWars is completely outclassed by StarTrek from a technological stance.
Well I disagree with the part that that woman stoped Vader from strangling that bald dude.(srry I'm not really a fan of star trek.) This is because it's the force. Regardless of vader's telepathy, cuz it's the force, this ending the battle.
@@kaiericsson1187, If thats direction you want to go in. The Enterprise could simply destroy the Star Destroyer before they could even get in range, and Q would never allow the demise of Picard. Q would simply snap his fingers and take away Vaders powers or just make Vader disappear. Star wars is completely outclassed. Victory is not achievable.
never mind the fact the that phasers and torpedos have far superior range than anything in Star Wars (maybe star killer base) and the Enterprise could simply sit back and bombard the star destroyer from range
One item of comparison that is established in both universes...firepower against a planet. Han states that it would take more firepower than 1000 ships (read as star destroyers) to destroy a planet. We also have the approximate 30 ship Romulan/Cardassian task force sent to destroy the Founders homeworld. To the latter, the first volley destroyed 1/3 of the planets crust. Continued volleys would first destroy the entire crust and inevitably destablize the core leading to planetary structural failure. Given the comparison in on screen derived story info...no novels or speculation... it would seem that the empires weapon and shield stats are suspect. The SD's also suffer from a either a critical design flaw or a less sophisitcated understanding of high energy physics in that their shield generators are housed within 2 geodesic pods external to the ship...easily identifiable targets...rather than integrated into the ships hull as in ST. This design has been a problem sevetal times on film. Consider that everything comes from the first film. Shield generators come from geodesic domes surrounding ground and ship radar systems...a recognizable analogous structure to be employed in the 1970's. Lucas used what would seem acceptable so that really outlandish tech didn't interefere with the story ... a wise choice for a film but poor for real ship shield generator design. Ask yourself the question: if there are hover cars then why aren"t there hover AT-AT's they would be faster and more manuverable than "walking tech". The real difference is that ST had to work out the science end of the story so much more completely because it has been presented to the public so much more often. SW has had the luxury of only a few representations over a story arc timeline of only about 75 years within a very restrictive tech base. ST occurs over centuries with tech growth as part of the story arc. Whatever Lucas chose to initially represent has become canon. If a single SD can vaporize an asteroid with a single shot then a few dozen could destroy a planet in short order...not the more than a thousand as referenced. These are the glaring inconsistencies in SW that persist.
It would take 1,000 ships to blow a planet into a stable asteroid field. Even the assault on the Founders world never envisaged doing that. You do have an excellent point about the design philosophy behind each franchise, though.
It would take a thousand ships to Blow a planet into pieces however a single ISD can crack a planets crust and make it uninhabitable using the so called Base Delta Zero Manouver
Furthermore the writers of the SW manual for star destroyers stated that they inflated the numbers from the show to "be more powerful than those other guys" when asked about what they ment, they said they were referring to ST. The manual isn't cannon to the show because of that.
@Komandor Cliff to be fare the crystals are for mixing the anti matter without it going "boom" they actually do use magnetic bottles to hold it. :-) and yes. an aweful lot of plot convenient technobabble. seriously? get over yourself its SCIENCE FICTION. not SCIENCE FACT :-)
@Matthew (Student) Agonoy Don't even need the movie logic, just need the propulsion offline, since the engines of the ISD were the main reactors. If they're not firing... then the ship would be running on auxillary/emergency power. Life support, artificial gravity, inertial dampening, and repulsors attempting to catch a free falling ISD probably would strain Aux power to the max and would have possibly even damaged the drive reactors, when the engines were finally fired and immediately throttled up to catch the ship.
Your narrations are certainly my kind of bedtime story, I could never get tired of listening to you, even if there is no video to flank your awesome narration! Thanks.
@The Archangel I've only seen one story where they managed to steal a fully prepared Star Destroyer. And it was everything they could do with the whole main cast involved.
Perfect! Vader fought aggressively, with rage as his weapon, but the Enterprise crew literally saved the day by ... doing their homework! They prevailed because they studied harder and learned more! That is SO Starfleet. Haha, you really understand the difference between these two truly epic storytelling universes. :) Well done.
The fact that vader could even choke from that distance sounds like total bullshit convenient for the plot. I know he can choke people from few kilometers away but those dudes must have been hundreds of kilometers away. But im sure what actually protected picard was his plot armor. Nothing can kill thro plot armor.
@lcyw20 Not quite as the force choke is actually done through telekinesis not telepathy. There are even references of when this is done like when Thrawn is choked by a Jedi master in the book Outbound flight
@lcyw20 I agree. Diana is only half Betazoid and even as a full Betazoid she would have trouble. I think she would have to be exceptionally powerful. But even then - I don't think Darth Vader could use the Force from that distance.
the phased shield system used in star trek is not only phased and able to be modulated to negate frequencies of fire (the specific vibration rate of whatever the core material of the plasma/turbo laser fire is), they are also layered with the enterprise D having a two and if I remember correctly towards the end of the series a three layer set of shields. Compared to the modular, weak, and even movable (not full coverage) shields of the imperial there is very little chance that the star destroyer could make a single scratch on any star fleet ship of any decent size.
let's be real. a star destroyer piloted by a normal commander would call ion cannons to disable it, use turbolasers to destory it, and if nessasary, send a boarding party of stormtroopers to kill off the crew without any plot armour to protect the captains and main charaters of star trek.
Not really. ST has actual combat armor that can take energy weapon hits with ease and comes with cloaking abilities. you see unlike SW, ST books are still canon unless stated other wise by property owners of ST. besides Data is far faster than human and droid from SW so he could have most likely taken down half of the troopers himself. on top of that it was stated in one of the TNG episodes that normal energy weapons won't work on him unless they have the correct settings to disable him. only way they could kill him was having him on a ship that exploded, lol. Besides plot armor works both ways, they couldn't hit luke ether and he was standing in the clearing, also Han solo should have been killed but he couldn't have been hit ether. hell Darth vader should have been killed during the battle of the death star but guess what? he wasn't so you two have no room to talk.
It was all a part of the joke after all the "Redshirts" all died so it wasn't just the stormtroopers being "Bad shots' but a joke in a video that they KNEW would cause crying from both sides.
Here's something else to consider. If this scenario takes place after ST Nemesis, this means that all tech developed by Voyager will be readily available to the Enterprise E. Ablative armour, transphasic torpedoes, and mobile emitters for holographic soldiers. No red shirt ever need perish on away missions ever again. It is simple to replicate thousands of holo-emitters and beam these nigh indestructible holo soldiers onto the Star Destroyer. As it would take a direct hit on an emitter to disable the holo soldier, many Storm Troopers will be stunned with little danger to Worf and Data. But since they don't actually need to beam aboard the Star Destroyer to disable it, this point is moot. The one thing this video does is stress the need for a bit of research before the project is started. A few moments could have prevented this basket of errors from being broadcast.
YES that only exponentiates the Federation´s threat for the Empire ... a real massacre ending the Empire ... If the Federation wanted , it could in a huge Holocaust wipe out everything in the Star Wars galaxy (just coping the hyperdrive & star maps) ... Edit: Capt. Sisko & especially Section 31 would be capable to do it ...
Nope, canon events had the Federation put the Voyager in stasis according to Temporal Prime Directive protocols. The Federation literally sat on all that advanced technology, which was still far inferior to the stuff available to the Empire.
*Nope, canon events had the Federation put the Voyager in stasis according to Temporal Prime Directive protocols.* Where was that written. I don't see that in memory alpha atleast. Also, Federation is so far ahead in terms of technology compared to the Empire that its hilarious. Its like comparing Roman Empire (Empire) to modern day US (Federation). The Empire has superior numbers though.
Correct me if I am wrong but I do not believe you can replicate the energy sources needed to power mobile emitters. Also I see no reason to believe that ablative armor or transphasic torpedoes would NECESSARILY be more powerful than their Imperial counterparts. I concur with the final assessment, the Star Destroyer has more raw power, but the Enterprise is much more nimble and can do far more. The Star Destroyer is designed to play a particular role in a fleet, while the Enterprise is supposed to be self-sufficient. I think in a real fight the Enterprise would calculate the odds and run, just like they did against the Borg with the bonus that the Star Destroyer can't really catch them.
@pyropulse You don't take into account how shield technology in the federation is far more powerful even with lower levels of energy required for operation. Shield modulation and multi frequency shield technology is far beyond what we ever see in the star wars universe.
I love both franchise so i can clearly say in a non biase fashion data and picard together have amazing tactical potential so yes they can match vader in that regard star wars fanboi.
lol ye ig but using geek power here in star wars darth vader isn't in clone wars bc darth vader technally isn't anakin at least thats what obi-wan said.
The Enterprise could have used a tachyon beam to disrupt the star destroyer's shield. After that a full spread of quantum and photon torpedos would rip throught the armour and cause a reactor breach if not an overload.
because unlike SW, ST is based more in reality and it can burn out the deflector array doing this. that tactic is a last ditch effort to win. but if ST used magic tech like SW does then sure ST could do that all day long and suffer no ill effects for doing so.
@Sagrotan You feel that Star Wars armor can easily withstand Matter-Antimatter torpedoes when Proton Torpedoes are enough to substantially damage them. Your point about the Tachyon Beam does have merit, but raises the question of whether or not the interaction between Star Trek phasers and transporters can be stopped by Star Wars shields.
@@3Rayfire A: The Photon Torpedo has a payload of 64 megatons. A Proton Torpedo has a payload equivalent of ~2 gigatons. A Quantum torpedo is 128 megaton. So basically ST Torpedoes are little more than fireworks to an ISD. B: Since Transporters are disrupted by a number of weak phenomena, the very strong shields of SW franchise will absolutely make them useless.
So what you're saying is than an empath stopped Vader from slaughtering Picard. Um.... No.... Just no.... Vader could break the necks of everyone in the bridge with ease. An Empath isn't going to stop the force. This battle ended before it even began
He killed a general in orbit from a planet surface with force choke during the battle of Hoth. Distance doesn't matter in the Force there is no max range if you are strong enough. If he gets a chance which he would cause the enterprise would accept the hail the entire bridge is dead.
The quantum torpedoes should really have been the start and end of the fight. The state of quantum superposition (as the name suggests) they exist in were built to fight Borg, meaning they'd very likely walk right through Imperial shield tech; with quantum torpedoes the Star Destroyer may as well not even have shields.
No, Quantum Torpedos are just more powerful Photon Torpedos. Roughtly twice as strong at 128 megaton. The Turbolaser is ~8 gigatons and the ISD can take over 6000 shots from those before losing shields.
iirc they Phasers don't take that long to recharge. however they took the Enterprise's Warp drive offline for this fight means they crippled the E badly to make this a draw. had they not given the slight edge to the SW ship the E would have won by using everything they have wisely. yes the SD has heavy fire power but they are short range, lack of mobility, relies heavily on their 72 Tie fighters, ect. the SD is a brick that can't move unless it uses hyper space.
The main computer of the star destroyer is on the biridge so you are telling me that a squad of light armed soldiers managed to defeat the 10k stormtroopers and darth vader?
This comment section: 99% Enterprise would win. 1% Star Destroyer would win 100% people trying to act smart by writing ENTIRE FRIKIN' ESSAYS IN THE COMMENTS!!
Fans of Both Star Wars and Star Trek get severely butt hurt over these videos, its hilarious what kind of information they pull out of their ass to justify their point.
@@stuglife5514 I won't argue that. But I will say, I was watching an episode of Star Trek TOS just yesterday and they were saying that the Enterprise has the power to destroy all life on a planet. So, both have the same capabilities it seems. But, of course, a star destroyer vs TOS enterprise is a different story but if the TOS can destroy a planet, that means the future ones can too which must have similar power yields right? Of course, at the end of the day, Star Wars has warships, Star Trek has exploration ships.
These scenarios only work because everyone always ASS-sumes that real people will only fire when the Enterprise's shields are down to ten percent AND because they always ASS-sume that the Enterprise can only fire for "ten minutes." Or some other bull-shit like that.
But the technology the Empire uses.. Ion and laser cannons... Captain Archer had that technology and they had to improve it for Enterprise to last three seasons.
They use Ion Cannons and something they call Turbolasers but acts like Plasma. The output for these weapons is well in excess of the entire power production of the Galaxy Class starship Warp core for fifteen seconds. Those are canon facts from both universes. That was numbers approached by Roddenberry and Luca for their respective universes at the time they had control. Those benchmark numbers have been used afterwards and never been disputed by the people who could even make the attempt.
Good video i thoroughly enjoyed it. but i have a few issues with it not going into the dick measuring contest of who has the better weapons i have some issues with Data's plan 1. The spherical objects on top of the bridge tower are indeed shield generators, but they only reinforce the shields around the bridge due to it being such an obvious target 2. Beaming boarding parties aboard to a ship that maybe able reactivate it's shields (you only destroyed one of them remember) sounds like suicide for the boarding parties also transporters have limits to the amount of solid material they can pass through a star destroyer is very heavily armored, having many layers between the outside of the ship and key systems 3. Beaming aboard a clearly larger more militaristic vessel sounds like suicide due to the fact it probably has more soldiers on board than you have ( Imperial class 2 star destroyers typically carried 9,700 troops ) 4. star destroyers (in fact most star wars ships) do not have main computers they have local computers for dedicated functions networked with the bridges (star destroyers have a secondary bridge in case that obvious target gets destroyed for being an obvious target) all these computers have firewalls and counter-cyber attack systems (star wars does have droids and trained personal capable of hacking after all ) 5.also the langue the computer is in is nothing like star fleet would have ever come across 6. internal defense around systems of a star destroyer generally had a squad of 9 storm troopers protecting it, this number was generally increased during combat to stop boarding parties taking the position or on the importance of the system. 7. using Obi-Wan's shutting down of the Death star's tractor beam is a very odd choice; no.1 It's on a space station the size of a small moon which is much larger and harder for physical security to cover. no.2 Obi-wan had to use the force to avoid detection to get to the tractor beam your boarding parties do not have the force and would have to fight at minimum 9 well train storm troopers. no.3 storm troopers wear armor giving some degree of protection star trek doesn't seem to have personal armor of any sorts. 8. there is no shut override system for propulsion ever mentioned in star wars if there was it would probably be situated in the reactor area 9. A star destroyers main engines have back-up reactors in case they lose power 10. The clip you showed happened after the star destroyer had hit by at minimum 6 ion torpedo's frying every system in the star destroyer. The star destroyer you are facing still has some shields to absorb the impact also a Sovereign class star ship is not reinforced or shaped like the hammerhead corvette which were modified to perform such maneuvers. 11. Carrying on from point 10 star wars ships have much heavier armor compared to star trek ships even at it's weakest points. (near the bridge/ gun emplacement viewports) the star wars cross sections clearly show this as do the pictures shown on memory-alpha.wikia.com ) The Enterprise ramming into this would be a very bad idea. 12. the Enterprise is in very close proximity to the star destroy here is the armament for a Imperial class 2 star destroyer Heavy turbolaser batteries (50) 20 fore 15 port 15 starboard Turbolaser batteries (50) Additional turbolaser batteries (26+) Heavy ion cannons (20) 10 fore 5 port 5 starboard Octuple barbette turbolaser or Ion cannons (8) Phylon Q7 tractor beam projectors (10) 6 fore 2 port 2 starboard At some point of this long boarding action some of these are definitely going to hit only going underneath the belly of the star destroyer or behind it would they be able to avoid fire. At which point it would launch it's remaining 42 TIE fighters and 6 assault gunboats, as the Enterprise is currently out of offensive capabilities at this point it's shields would be getting whittled down if not gone under this sustained fire. 13. the star destroyer has not suffered any damage at all from having it's engines shut off it went into a degrading orbit not colliding into another star destroyer like in Rouge One where you get your clip from. In fact even in that clip the star destroyer that got rammed is still in fighting condition after hitting the other star destroyer, except for being offline of course 14. Firing the Navigational deflector does require the warp core as far as i can tell because it the have to divert all power from the warp drive to do so dam that was a lot than i thought i was going to put at the start of this :( everything i have said can be found on starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Main star wars incredible cross-sections or covered by the Imperial Navies protocol for counter boarding also the star destroyer has 10 tractor beams projectors which are still at the time of board capable of locking onto the Enterprise and whilst not all would have to be deactivated two separate tractor beam projectors would need to
Well there is an easy win for the Enterprise. Beam bombs to every importat system. Also it should be noted that from feats alone the Enterprise is *much* more impressive. Tunneling through solid rock etc.
And how do you think you are going to beam that in while the Shields are up? How do you think you are going to do it with the ECM blaring? Most of all are you going to lower your shields for the ten to fifteen seconds it takes to do that? In the end you may have killed the bridge crew, but you died horribly as your ship was literally blown apart.
ok um, no. listen. The enterprise can sit well outside the star destroyers pidly ass range and still beam bombs aboard. not to mention if they had used a genesis torpedo against the destroyer it would have become a tiny planet.
ETHOR productions then you run into the shields of the Star Destroyer and sheer mass of the armor. All iterations of Star Trek transporter systems can't penetrate shields, and have a difficult time with solid objects (rocks, starships armored with meters thick Durasteel, etc etc.) As the other person stated above, while the Enterprise lowers it shields to transport people while that close would get pummeled by the insane amount of turbolasers (regardless of inaccuracy) And this is all before you take the 10s of TIE's into account. *shrugs* I'm biased, so... I'm a SW fanboy at heart, take my comment with a grain of salt. *Transporter range isn't an issue to the ISD because of ^stated above. I think I trailed a bit, just clarifying.
Lol lasers are a joke to any star fleet vessels even as far back is as Kirks time . Plus how do you know that the Enterprise E doesn't have passers link to it's warp core like the Defiant. After all Scotty had a hand In it's design. Remember Scotty and spoke did the same shit with the Enterprise 1701 during it's refit.
You have to remember that plot armor is bs and stormtrooper aim is no laughing matter. The only reason you SEE them miss is because they are INSTRUCTED too. Standard Imperial protocol is if a ship is boarded, rules of engagement are automatically set to weapons free unless stated otherwise by a higher ranking officer and/or imperial associate. Vader wanted the enterprise in one piece, he gave no f’s about the crew.
I think using Deathstar 1 footage for Storm trooper accuracy against main characters shouldn't be use. After all the storm troopers were ordered to let them escape as lamp shaded by Princess Leia in original unedited star wars.
ST ships can fight at FTL speeds and ranges of millions of blocks while SW ships fight at sub-light speeds and ranges of single digit of football fields. Right! Stewart.
@Komandor Cliff that is because of 2 reasons. 1 intentional 1 accidental. Intentional: real space combat would be boring. far apart and silent. a "dogfight" looks like more fun. a true space battle would be more like the very first episode with enterprise firing torpedo's at a distance Q approaching. Accidental: ST tech against ST tech has to be danger close. they can't fight long distance for the same reason they CAN fight long distance against star wars tech. Sensors. ST tech can SEE without light lag. they can see long distances in real time without light lag (subspace) SO ST versus ST this don't work. if I lob a torpedo at you from 10 light seconds out you can just move or warp out of the way of the torpedo. SO ST on ST tends to be close in to remove the light lag advantage. against SW however. well there is no contest. :-) SW has light lag ST does not. there is nothing SW can do to overcome this advantage. imagine if you will that you chucked spears at me but they moved at 5mph and I was 50ft away. I could casually watch your incoming spears and simply step aside at my leisure to avoid them. so the only way to fight me is to "get in close" where 5mp is fast enough to get a hit. NOW imagine "I" fight back. lets assume my spear is also 5mph but here is the catch. YOU CAN NOT SEE my spears coming until they hit you. now what do you do? also your slow. you can just start moving around and jinking. YOU move at 0.05mph but I can move at the same 5mph as my spears or faster. THIS is the light lag advantage ST would have over SW. as you can imagine it would be a vicious bloodbath.
@Komandor Cliff babylon 5 and the Expanse and BSG did not have fights like this. THEY were more like navel combat. the "capital ships" used bombardment type weapons. for the "knife fight" they launched fighters to get in close. ST elected to go the path of knife fighting capital ships. they have to. "long range" combat does not work when the ordinance is slow and you can see it coming in real time. BSG got around this with what was essentially a "flak barrier"
Curious enough Star Trek TOS actually did do this fairly often. The Balance of Terror, the battle against the Romulan Bird of Prey featured warp speed in the battle and distances that would be measured in light seconds rather than kilometers or miles. The TNG episode "Peak Performance" had the same with warp speed being expected to be a pivotal difference in the battle between the Enterprise and the Hathaway. However, he did mitigate that advantage by giving the Star Destroyer the go ahead lucky shot of knocking the warp core off line at the open of the battle. Still impulse at outside the range of the Star Destroyer's weapons would be more than enough.
Though fictional. if we base our opinion on non-canon .We are going to assume it a draw.But, This is what wrong with this scenario . A federation vessel would not be in a close proximity battle. Because, phasers have a range of 300.000 kilometers. A Imperial Star destroyer turbolasers maximum range is only 5.000 kilometers. Imperial missiles and proton torpedoes only about 10.000 kilometers. Federation photon torpedoes 3.500.000 kilometers range. So therefore the Enterprise E would have no need to be in close proximity combat with a Star Destroyer. They would only need to clear distance at one quarter of it's sublight velocity which is 0.25c 46.500 miles a second. Which is more than enough to be well beyond a Star destroyer weapons range in a nanosecond. Also the Empire deploy a two shield system. A particle Shields and ray Shields .the ray shield is their primary defense .but these Shield systems have limitations. The ray shield can only stop slow moving plasma weapons. they can't stop torpedoes mine's missiles Etc the particle Shield cannot stop rays.But some solid objects and debri. Yet ,Federation shields stop both energy and matter simultaneously. So it is quite obvious that such sublight light weaponry as the Empire employs .Would not penetrate Federation shields nor weaken them. But, Federation weaponry would overwhelm their defenses in sort order. because phasers travel faster than light and Photon Torpedoes can be fired at warp velocities. The battle wouldn't last 5 minutes the star destroyer would lose more than a thousand men . The Enterprise E was constructed to battle the Borg. A Borg Cube is fare more powerful than a Star destroyer and bigger. So it is not the size of these fictional machines but their true capability governed by Canon. Not speculation. So the out come would not be a draw . But heavy losses for the empire in spite of Vader.
additionally for edification purposes . In the Star Trek universe only Kirks first Constitution class starship was affected by ion storms. Ion storms are millions of times more powerful than any ion canon. yet, from cannon we can see that from the Enterprise A to the E.They were capable of running right through ion storms like knife through butter . Federation vessels also have the capability of emitting a ion pulse which is like a massive EMP .It not widely used because Federation vessels and the rest of the trek universe are immune to it. A ion pulse is thousand of times more powerful than the rebel primitive ion weapon. And we seen what it can do to star destroyers. So it is conceivable that one federation vessel would be able to take out a Fleet of Star destroyers in a 5 to 10.000 kilometers radius. While those primitive ion weapons would have little to no effect on Federation vessels. It was also ignored. that the Enterprise E hull is ablative armored which would make it the equivalent of a 6 foot hull . add to that their structural Integrity fields you can add a additional factor of four to Hall strength No they would not be rock by the meager might of a primitive Star Destroyer it would take a far more advanced vessel then that ancient ship.
that plot armor my good friend, the broken story plotis the fact the entreprise was caught anything caught with shield down cannot hope to escape a star destroyer.
zorbam lucien : Please even a shuttlepod can escape a star destroyer in normal space. Because all those Imperial weapons are slow sublight capable ordinance. Turbolasers maximum velocity is only 2.8 kilometers per second. Ion cannons and proton torpedoes are no faster than this . The maximum sublight speed of a Star destroyer is 975 kph . Your Tei fighter's are a little better at 1,200 kph , Tei boomers are even slower 800 kph. While on the other hand Enterprise E at it's sublight cruising velocity is traveling at 0.25c. 75,000 kilometers per second. You can't hit a vessel traveling at that speed with a 2.8 kilometers per second projectile weapon. Plot armor you say. The only plot armor is that they landed any shots at all on the Enterprise E and that the Destroyer was not destroyed in the first 5 minutes of the confrontation in G tech little scenario.
I'm afraid I have to burst your bubble, but while your ranges are correct, Phasers are not natively FTL weapons. They can be jacked with Subspace so they can be used at warp, but they don't actually travel faster than light normally.
Before anyone jumps down my throat, I love star wars AND star trek. Two quantum torpedoes would have shattered that star destroyer if we're getting real here. As for the turbo lasers hammering the enterprise shields, I could totally see that happening. Actually, now I think of it. The mass of the star destroyer would probably keep it from shattering. However, the enterprise has superior firepower in its torpedoes and phasers harness the power of the sun, focused into the form of a beam. Though it appears puny, the damage output is unbelievable. I like the concept of the ion cannons doing work on the enterprise's systems. That I can also see happening. In a true battle, I'd say the enterprise still comes out on top. It's a tight combination of crew experience and technology where as the empire is known for the incompetence of its personnel and its severe lack of a technological advantage in this scenario.
As a huge, life-long Star Wars fan, I think the Enterprise E could beat an Imperial Star Destroyer. Not a one-sided curbstomp like some in this comment section says, but it has the means to pull off a victory. Mainly by capitalizing on the superior speed and maneuverability of the Enterprise to get on the destroyer's rear and pummel it where it can't effectively retaliate.
I'm a fan of both series. A Star Destroyer doesn't stand a chance. The Enterprise is way faster at sublight speeds. It can fire with extreme accuracy from hundreds of thousands of kilometers. The Star Destroyer is extremely inaccurate, even at close range. It's weapons don't even have enough range to hit the Enterprise at normal engagement range. Even if we assume that weapon power levels and shields are equal (clearly false based on RotS), Enterprise wins. Here's how it goes. Enterprise parks 200 kilometers away. Picard orders that they maintain that distance. They TURN OFF THEIR SHIELDS. They divert all power to phasers. They constantly bombard the ISD's shields until they fail. Then they fire 4 photon torpedoes, maximum yield. They vaporize the ISD. I didn't bother talking about what the ISD does, because it doesn't matter. They can't do anything that will change their fate.
At that distance bet you could send 2 runabouts on remote control firing quantum torpedoes. Which then programmed to have a warp core breach right on top of the star destroyers bottom and top Hull sections. Then if that's not enough empty your torpedoes compliment into the ships reactor
Hmm launch one of the run about send to out of engagement zone then warp ramm the rear engine cones with 2 photon torpedoes aboard which explode a fraction of a second before impact. Following by another shuttle ramming same spot at full impulse. Then keep pounding same area with quantum torpedoes and phaser fire bound to hit something vital sooner or later. Or then just beam 10 torpedoes spread accross the ship
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 it wouldnt take much to bring down a sextion of shielding. Also, photon and quantum torpedoes are capable of warp speeds and imperial shields cant stop objects moving ftl. With no shields to stop them, the torpedoes could bring down the shield generators with ease. After that, theyd make short work of the isd.
@@jameshelms1317 Yeah, I agree with you. Piccard was very conservative and efficient. He would be looking to exploit a weakness and certainly not endanger any crewmember needlessly. Good call!😎
I enjoy the narrative but problem #1 is the Enterprise going straight at the Star Destroyer at close range, and without already having scanned it for weaknesses. They could simply sit a few hundred kilometers away and snipe it with guided torpedoes, out of turbolaser range and certainly out of the accurate range of manually-targeted guns. Or if they used their higher maneuverability, they could come up behind it, stay in its rear arc, and avoid pretty much all of the Star Destroyer's guns. Not to mention that once the Enterprise got through its shields, why beam people in? Just start beaming Stormtroopers out. Or vital components. Or beam torpedoes or other explosives in? The narrative is fun but it strips Picard and his crew of even the most basic tactical and strategic thinking.
Actually...STAR TREK orbital bombardments, have been demonstrated to be more powerful and destructive, than STAR WARS, orbital attacks...with vastly different results. Now turn this power ship-to-ship ...& the mess should be, pretty much the same. ...Though critical damage, relies on crucial surgical strikes for either to have the desired effect.
um, cool story and all, but, if the Star Destroyer's shields, are down and you can beam your own folks onboard the Star Destroyer, you SHOULD be able, to beam all the life-forms, on the Star Destroyer, into the vacuum, of 300 kilometer Earth orbit before you even send, a boarding-party ….jus sayin ….
The Enterprise would just stay at warp and remain completely undetectable by the Star Destroyer. Then blow it up with photon/quantum torpedoes, weapons effective at warp velocities and travel at warp themselves, if launched from a vessel travelling at warp.
storm troopers are not clones there are normal humans clones were phased out by palpatine and they are all mostly dead by the time of the first death star do to accelerated aging
More likely IMO - Enterprise (any era) Phasers on their lowest settings rip the star destroyer into bite sized chunks because Star Wars shields were only designed to deflect ordinary high energy lasers and space dust. Examine the material construction of both ships and weapon yields - this isn't a complicated thing to deduce.
Legends Republic army numbered at about a billion at the end of the Clone Wars. =\ Legends Republic would likely win due to the bull crap numbers that are given to Turbolasers.
I feel that you may be severely overestimating the effectiveness of the star destroyers shields. I recently read a book named Heir to the empire in which Luke, in order to escape the gravity well of an indoctrinator class star destroyer, fired two torpedoes into it, and instantly blew up the entire gravity well sphere of the ship. And in terms of torpedo power, my main question is in Star Trek, why not use nukes in stead of photon torpedoes? The answer, at least what I believe it to be, is that the reaction of the photon torpedo is not as large as a nuclear missile, but has a more concentrated effect than the nuke. Despite me disagreeing with you, I did really enjoy this. Keep up the good work dude.
I almost forgot this, Vader would be absolutely useless in a battle with Star Trek troops. The phasers hit the target for a few seconds as they are a beam in stead of a blast, so Vader would have to hold the lightsaber in one spot for a few seconds in order to block it, in which time 3 more would hit him. We all know that Vader’s armor can block a blaster bolt, but in the next gen we also learn that a max power phaser in wide beam setting can take out 1/2 of a large science complex. I doubt any kind of body armor could block that. We don’t even know if Vader’s saber could block or reflect the phaser beam.
the hard components of a stormtroopers armor is highly impervious to "slug throwers" as they are called in universe, (in ours we call them bullets). the underlying sock is a diffusive weave, meant to absorb incoming weapons energy and diffuse it over the entirety of the suit, which results in less deaths. hurts like hell. neat feature the Suit as a whole is hermetically sealed and protected against vacuum, a trooper can go EVA for 30 minutes before suffocating. that said, they can also go into places that are either toxic atmosphere or if there's no atmosphere at all. seal and vent a compartment anyone? I can deduce since the Star Wars universe does have energy based stun weapons the insular sock the troopers wear as part of their armor renders them immune to such low powered attacks. Oh and there may be 9.7k storm troopers on board, but there are also 9.2k officers and 27.8k enlisted personnel on board. Stormtroopers are not part of the regular Imperial Navy (think they are like the USMC, part of the Department, but its own Branch.) The navy has their own security forces operating on the ship and training for Naval officers and enlisted would include drills for boarders and the like. Could also be Imperial army mixed in there as well since there are groundforce projection materiel 50 different walkers, 15 troop transports. (You come out of a 3 year pan galactic war and subsequent 17-26 years of civil unrest you're going to have boarded protocols)
The lasers on that ship were Kilowatt lasers. The Turbolaser are 33,471,999,999,999,623,000 watts or basically several quintillion times stronger. By the way canonically the most powerful ships phasers run in the gigawatts so Turbolasers are Millions of times stronger.
Um has ANYONE ELSE noticed that the Star destroyer is WEAPON LESS TO IT'S AFT. This is demonstrated in several of the video games and in movies. Have you ever seen a reverse fire arc?. So in this scenario enterprise sits behind and just fires continuously at the SD until dead.
I remember that an Imperial Executor-class dreadnought was once destroyed after a fighter crashed into the bridge. I know a Star Destroyer is different but why doesn't Picard just fire a barge of photon or quantum torpedoes into the bridge of that Star Destroyer?
+Josh Ladouceur True. If I were Picard, I would have probably saved 2-4 Quantum Torpedoes, beam them directly onboard the Star Destroyer's bridge and engine room (where the Manual Override Switch would likely be), set the torpedoes to be remotely (or timed) detonated, beam Worf & Data back to the Enterprise and detonate the Quantum torpedoes inside the Star Destroyer. It probably won't destroy the Star Destroyer outright but it'd sure prevent (or at least make difficult) their crew from repairing the propulsion system in time, meaning that the Star Destroyer will still burn up as it falls into Earth's atmosphere, hence destroying it (since Manual Override Switch would still be destroyed by the blast and the destroyers engine would still be disabled). I remember that Enterprise NX-01 destroyed a Borg ship in a similar way.
+JTN. Yes, the Executor crashed into the Death Star after the bridge crew was killed, but the ship was not destroyed, just out of action. The flames that engulfed her, were from the Death Star, not the Executor. She was not destroyed until the Death Star blew up. If the crew had regained control of the ship, she could have continued fighting, far less effectively, but she could have continued fighting.
Interesting but the Enterprise wins this fight every single time tbh. Lasers do nothing at all to the enterprise shields as it could take all the shots from the star destroyer even with shields down. I agree with other comments saying about transporting a torpedo on to the star destroyer bridge but more likely they would either match frequency or just shoot right through the shields to hit the bridge as all weakness of the star destroyer would have been found in seconds of the encounter. Troi could block vaders force powers as well for all the people saying she could not. In summery the most likely outcome of this "battle" is that the enterprise wins within 2 mins or even less.
A few questions why can an empathy block the us of the force, how are the enterprise's shots getting through Vader's shields to hit the shield generator and why are we assuming the enterprise can doge 80% of the star destroyers fire. Then there's the computer why would it be bases on old earth code when u had to send the enterprise to the Triassic just to have the two ships meat Star Wars code should not even share the same symbols as earth code if data is going to hack it it should be one of those times when it's an impossible task that gets solved by going back to basics at the 11th hour just in time to save the ship and when the day like Star Trek normally dose. However I do love the image of Vader carving his way through an army of red shirts.
Artificial intelligence, advanced targeting, and speed would leave the imperial star destroyer out matched. If the Enterprise so chooses it could stay behind the ISD and avoid almost all wepons.
It's fun yes, so I like the video. But, you cannot tractor a ship that still has shields (this happened in the first part I think.) Also, I like Deanna, but Vadar is a master of the force, and she couldn't stop Vadar's force powers.
You're forgetting that Vader had to learn how to use his abilities where as Deanna is naturally empathic. I would say they would be equal in ability so her blocking out Vader's use of the Force isn't a stretch. The only way Vader using the Force wins out is if you put the Force on the same level as the Dowud who are at a similar power level to the Q. The Dowud being the species of the man who's plant the TNG crew come across in season 3 ep 3 The Survivors.
@@DarkLordDiablos ...and for context, that single Douwd entity eliminated 50-billion Husnock (the entire species) with a single thought because *one of them* killed his human wife. The Sith Lords could only dream of such power. 🙂
@@shawnmiller8169 Exactly. Star Wars fans have always over estimated the power if the Force because there is nothing to rival it unlike in Star Trek where there are multiple God Tier level species and entities that we can compare.
One of the best parts is equating Star Wars shields with Star Trek shields. Do they even work the same way? What's to say that a turbolaser round wouldn't just fly right through the Enterprise shields? You have to establish common ground and similarities before you can truly compare, yeah?
First of all, Federation shields have been improved from TOS days to where ion storms aren't even mentioned any more. Hence, shooting the ion cannons would be the same as shooting blanks. As for the laser cannons, that's Enterprise NX-01 technology. 60 of them? BFD. Shields are designed around what they are known to absorb or deflect. With plasma or energy weapons (shields) or space debris (navigational deflectors), there's a certain amount of energy that's fed back into the shield (or deflector) generators that needs to be accounted for. The biggest downfall of this technology is surge protection and overload. That's how the Scimitar was able to overwhelm Enterprise's shields in battle. But technology that's not even at the level of NCC-1701, no bloody A,B,C orrrrrrrr D, wouldn't phase the shield generators of the E-model any more than 1,000 mosquitos would phase a windshield if they didn't hit the same exact spot at the same moment... Splattered all over the windshield, or over the expanse of the Big E's hulls and nacelles, I doubt if even one phase generator would be affected. All you get is a stain on the windshield. Enterprise, no questions. Data would know within 30 seconds about the shield generators above the star destroyer's bridge. A quantum torpedo to each one and beam a torpedo into the fusion generator of the destroyer. 32 second battle, no casualties or damage to the Federation's flagship. And that's assuming the Empire had accidentally created shields that could resist a transporter beam in the first place. Star Destroyers are instruments of brute force and intimidation... They're no match for a vessel created to win over Borg and the Dominion.
I'm more of a Star Trek fan then Star Wars. Full impulse is 1/4 the speed of light. First the Enterprise would run circles around the Star Destroyer. Star Destroyers from what I've seen rely more on volume of fire then precision strikes. The Enterprise would just hit full impulse, go into standoff range and use it's phasers at long range. It's like a modern battletank vs a WWII battletank. It can shoot on the move at long range and hit it's target. Whereas the WW II battletank is limited in that capacity. The Star Destroyer could never close the distance. Reference the ramming speed...1/4 the speed of light impact has massive amounts of kinetic energy. I don't think either ship would survive an impact at that speed. The only thing is that at that distance the Enterprise couldn't get up to that much speed before the collsion. I don't think it would even get too that point because I'm of the opinion that Star Trek weapons and Shields are far superior to Star Wars. Of course either side will say the Canon from the novels etc...etc....there are inconsistencies on both sides on how powerful the tech is....Star Trek is much more consistent though.
jafo1701 I don't think anyone knows the true speed of a star destroyer. Remember that these ships are easily capable of keeping up with easily some of the fastest ships in the star wars franchise.
That's FTL Channel, at Sublight the speeds are no where near as fast as Star Trek. I'm a fanboy of both series and I gotta admit Star Wars doesn't even come close to the level of technology that Star Trek has.
I've got to correct you on one thing Jafo, maximum impulse is at least 2/3rds the speed of light [ENT Doctor's Orders]. Turns out Star Trek: Enterprise was good for something. It also gave hard firepower figures and easy to calculate figures.
RedShirt047 from what I read the reason why they limit full impulse to 1/4 the speed of light is because any faster and time dilation starts to come into play....I'm sure in case of emergency they can override the limiter though.
Ummmm... I don’t think the stormtroopers would miss all the fire on the main character because partially the reason why they missed is because Vader and Palpaine instructed them not to kill them because Palpatine wanted Luke to join the dark side, if not, kill him himself. So I don’t really think that it’s fair on that part.
Well all you people raging about the video at least it wasn't who would win in a war. That would dumb and pointless just like all the plot holes in this story, like that storm troopers can't hit the main characters well look at rouge 1 they seemed to hit that droid pretty well or did he fake his death?
Also "The Final Showdown" they called it. It was a draw so not many got mad at it besides the people who know that the story was just a bunch of random stuff.
brady cadek some nerds counted and ST are 27% accurate. Probably due to the lousy field of view from those helmets which would make you turn your entire body to track and fire on a target.
Completely disagree. The Enterprise can fight from warp. The SD cannot. The Enterprise makes repeated light speed passes on the SD without taking a scratch. The SD either runs to hyperspace to escape or gets destroyed.
Still, what Troi did to counter Vader's Force Choke is completely ridiculous. They have 2 completely different powers, and her telepathic powers can in no way stop the fysical strangling that Picard is receiving.
Militaristics Star trek vs SW would be like us humans going to war against a nation many millions of years more advanced than us and have a higher understanding of the universe. Hate to tell you but but its either surrender or die. Plus this is the sith we're talking about, they will take some pretty drastic measures to win. If it were the republic they were fighting though.
a simple virus is a million years of evolution behind a human yet AIDS and EBOLA have no problem killing people all the time, the borg are that virus, just 1 borg can infect any ship inc the death star
Once the destroyers shields failed. (If that were even necessary.) beam out the primary reactor core and barrage the bridge with photon torps. End of game
a frigate? too small. my first instinct would be star destroyer vs infinity, but that too would be a one sided battle with the infinity obliterating the star destroyer. infinity vs super star destroyer might be interesting, but i think that has already been done.
I feel like the best comparison to make here would be to equate it to a battle between a WWII Iowa Class battleship and a modern Zumwalt Class destroyer. One is massive and packs a huge punch and is meant to pound the enemy with massive firepower yet is slow and relies on more primitive means of targeting and navigation. The other is a smaller ship with weaker armor comparatively, but is faster and much more versatile with automated targeting systems and a much longer range as far as detection and engagement. Could be a close call depending on crew but I doubt it. Just my 2c
To me, I'm a fan of both. It's SI FI... But if I were to go in the argument, here's what I'm seeing from each one. Whether or not SW is using Lasers or Plasma, ST has dealt with it a century before and can combat it with ease. From Balance of Terror to Vegr (which threw far more high energy Plasma at the Enterprise than the SD's could muster up using every turbo laser at once) and yet we are talking about a century before the Enterprise E. If you are talking about Lasers, I like to refer you to a quote from Picard "They can fire their Lasers until they run dry and they wouldn't do a thing to this ship." Now people like to point to Q Who where the Borg used a laser to cut into the haul of the ship, but I must remind people that the Borg brought down the shield before using the laser cutter.
@Komandor Cliff seriously? You're going to use the explosion of the nuclear weapon as proof of what? The shockwave jolted the ship, as it would with any ship in any universe, and the shields held back most of the radiation. But the ship wasn't destroyed, and they took the time to play dead to fool the Romulans. Now we are also talking about a time where a member of his crew had family members who fought in the war with the Romulans. A war that was fought with nuclear weapons. That means they weren't far from that time, and yet the ship was still able to survive the blast. Now, I only pointed it out to show that the Federation was introduced to plasma weapons long before the next generation. By the time the next generation, most all of the civilizations had dropped Plasma weapons, probably because everyone had adapted their shields to defend against them. I also pointed out that Vger was using plasma weapons that were incalculable and dissolved an entire space station in one shot and a entire Klingon Battle Cruiser. Yet, the shields of the Enterprise held it off long enough for them to communicate with Vger. My point is, you can call their weapons lasers or plasma weapons, either way, the Federation has already seen it and built up a defense against it. On top of the maneuvering ability, long range scanners, computer targeting systems, multi targeting, the ability to fire in all directions at once and a huge weakness of having the SD's shield generators completely exposed where are small one man fighter is able to take it out, all the Enterprise has to do is knock the shield generators, stay behind the SD and in no time at all the SD will be no more.
@Komandor Cliff on that note, since you seem to knit pick both I guess. IT'S SCIENCE FICTION KEY WORD "FICTION " we are discussing a fictional cinematic situation where the two would combat each other on the basis of fiction. If you want to discuss whether or not it's even possible to have that fight, that's a completely different subject. And I'll be more than happy to discuss it with you. But on this post, we are having fun with the fictional aspects of the two films.
@Komandor Cliff now on the subject of physics, it took me only a couple of seconds to look up whether an exploding nuclear bomb would cause a shockwave and according to scientists at the NASA SPACE LABORATORY, would not have the same intensity, but a shockwave wave would be created. It would also not have the same effect, or distance, but if a vessel is close enough, it could damage it. In the Star Trek episode, it was at point blank range when it was detonated. At that range, according to the scientists, it could destroy a vessel. But it didn't destroy the Enterprise. So, back at you, learn something.
@Komandor Cliff now this will be my last post on this subject with you, stop being a downer. We're having fun with the discussion and we don't need people to come around being nasty or rude. If you don't like the subject matter, move on. You were the original person that brought up the nuclear bomb, not I. All I was pointing out is that little fact that the Federation had been exposed to plasma weapons before.
The one thing no one ever takes into account when matching star wars vs star trek, is the range of the respective weapons. For example, the SSD's turbo lasers have an effective range of 5000 kilometers. But the enterprise's phasers have a range of 300,000 kilometers and a torpedo range of 2.5 million kilometers. In short, a star trek ship would just fall back and pound the ssd into scrap from well outside it's engagement range.
Dude idk. Vader is a mad man he even flew his tie fighter threw a rebel ship just so he could get inside. I feel with Vader in the mix the enterprise would stand no chance.
What would've been an awesome ending is if the Star Destroyer entered the Earth's atmosphere and that would be the "asteroid" that killed the dinosaurs....
That would have meant the advanced dinosaurs from voyager would have been alive at that time
Creative!😎
Nova Like Doctor who earthshock?
Ad Am I was just about to say that!
That was my thought as well
A Red Shirt and a Stormtrooper get into a fight.
The Stormtrooper misses all the shots.
The Red Shirt dies anyway.
haha, awesome joke
Grey Jedi Agreed!
Hahaha
Grey Jedi storm troopers don't miss everything! Tantive four, killed the rebels in 30 seconds, GT stated in the video, the apparent luck in the movies that stormies miss central characters, if you don't notice rebel soldiers always die.
Nicely copied from the internet dude!
Darth Vader berates his Stormtroopers after they repel the invaders.
Vader: "I told you I wanted them alive! Why are they all dead!?"
Stormtooper: "I don't know. We had our blasters set to stun."
>chokes storm trooper
*"I told you set them to 'miss'."*
@@brandonn6099 Stormtrooper: *shoots 5 feet to the left of Redshirt*
Redshirt: *jumps into the laser and dies*
@@ThunderClawShocktrix >Looks at fellow stormtrooper.
*”What the fuck is wrong with you?!”*
@@thechroniclegamer4285 k joy
This is a droll replay of Lord Krugh (sp?) (Christopher Lloyd) scolding his weapons officer for erroneously destroying the USS Grissom in Star Trek: The Search for Spock (1984, Paramount, Leonard Nimoy, James Horner).
Data: This is relatively easy too access, their data banks are very crude. boarding party what is your situation?
Red shirt 1: HE HAS A SWORD! HE HAS A SWORD!!
Red shirt 2: I'm chocking!!!
Red shirt 3: HOW IS THIS HAPPENING?!?!
While Red shirt 4 nervously touches antimatter grenades & _accidentally(!)_ annihilates ALL, including Vader
Red Shirt 4: "AHHH! I'm floating in the air!"
Red Shirt 5: gets thrown against a bulkhead where his head is caved in
Red Shirt 6: gets hit in the head by a random cargo container that Vader force throws at him from behind.
Red Shirt 7: "NOW WE'RE BEING ATTACKED BY THE CARGO!"
Why is that guy kissing his sister.
@@aeonreign6456 Vader can block blaster fire with his light sabre and his hand. I'm sure he can block phaser fire in a similar way.
I sense a bit of force magic involvement here.
@Sharpe Tutor -
while Red Shirt 10 has dumped the data of computer core to the Enterprise & later gets crushed by Vader in revenge, while the Enterprise warped away
Aren't Star Wars ship's engine exhausts unshielded?
Star Trek sensors would undoubtedly pick up on this and any Star Fleet Captain would exploit this obvious flaw in the ship's defenses by targeting the engines.
Anderson Nettleship
The whole ship is sheilded
Not a Death Star.
Yeah, I'm more a Star Wars guy, but even I admit that their ships have too many Achilles heels to match up to a Star Fleet vessel.
So in conclusion Star Trek is better from a military hardware pov
Nope, Star Wars ships have shielding over everything.
Let's do another shall we... Vader vs Locutus.
-Vader: You are no match for the power of the dar..
-Locutus: WE ARE THE BORG. YOU, WILL BE ASSIMILATED. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. AND WE HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!!!
-Vader: Oh Shut UP!
This is so unfair! The enterprise has way more main characters on board than this star destroyer!
Darth Vader. He kills them all.
I remember a thousand or so crew on enterprise. A star destroyer has 5,000.
hehehe quantum torpedo go brrrrrr
@@darthauthorone6329 i heard that an imperial-class star destroyer has around 9,000 stormtroopers onboard. also, while it is in a legends comic, an isd has anti-boarding measures like flamethrowers.
@@undernerd5824 10,000 but you’re correct about the anti boarding measures
Q pops in and sends the star destroyer into Borg space and has fun watching everyone on the empire ship be assimilated.
Like it, like it!😎
@ That, or he would snap Palpatine into the next Chia Pet!😎
i’d like to think he snaps Palps ‘s hooded cloak into a fucking oversized sombraro and snaps his duel lightsabers into maracas
Komandor Cliff you call people assholes and wankers but you’re the one rudely replying to people that write ways that the federation could beat the empire the only asshole here is you
However, while he is watching, he observes Lord Vader decimate the Borg with on the ground with his lightsaber and Force abilities as well as in the air with his TIE Advance X1. Feeling the hatred from Vader, he quickly decides to teleport this black armored nightmare tank on legs back to his proper timeline.
"the red shirts were failing."
I had to laugh at that.
You mean micro jump?
Worf - Sir, we can transport a torpedo onto their bridge or engine room, their shield emitters are comparable to our navigational deflectors
Picard - No Mr Worf, we will not resort to that extreme of a tactic, we are better than that
Molly - JEAN LUC BLOW UP THE DAMN SHIP
Picard - there is always a diplomatic compromise
*a gaggle of redshirts materializes on the bridge of the Star Destroyer
Vader - NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo
Shields on a star destroyer are able to withstand multiple impacts from astroids half the size of the enterprise. A star destroyer has two different types of shields as well: a ray shield that prevents energy based weapons from causing damage, and an energy shield that blocks physical objects (as backwards as that sounds)
Red shirts get killed by a sith lord who went on a murder frenzy
A gaggle lol
No u kill Vader with compromise
@@osets2117 both shields would be destroyed by the enterprises firepower and the star destroyer would quickly be dematerialized
Plot armor always protects main characters!
By far the best armor ever conceived of by man . People , planes , vehicles , hell even ships and submarines . It can do anything . :) lol
Tell that to game of thrones
Well, the main main characters of GoT are still alive - they just had so many to spare.
it's a stormtroopers only weakness
Yeah or at worst... miracle resurection. Let's be magical :D
SO lets go over what might actually happen if these two ships met and fought.
First. the enterprise has a "high ground" advantage that the empire can never overcome (until they have the tech) Superluminal tech. Empire has none. Starfleet is designed around it.
Warp Drive, Sensors, Transporters
Enterprise can SEE the battlefield in real time even at light year distances. Empire can not. they are limited to light speed. they can MOVE faster than light via hyperspace but they can not fight see or sense faster than light. this is a high ground advantage data and picard would recognize almost instantly and their battle tactics would change immediately.
tie fighters "jumped" enterprise? seriously? and something as large as an SD "snuck up" on them around the planet? seriously?
SO assuming the two ships "WILL" fight. Here is how the battle would go.
First thing enterprise would do is stand off to take advantage of their "superluminal high ground" capacity.
5 light seconds would be plenty.
NOW anything vader see's is 5 seconds old while enterprise can still see in real time. lob torpedo's take out shield generators (is an x wing can take out a shield generator a torpedo sure as heck can) then proceed to dismantle the ship with abandon. vader would never land a single shot. he would be so outmatched it would be like enterprise against space shuttle endeavor. once shields are down they can just beam a torpedo into their engine compartment. boom. one shot one kill.
this is not to say ST is superior to SW. both are fantastic properties. but the tech divide is simple enormous. a "runabout" could defeat an SD or even the death star itself.
Give me a shuttle with no real weapons just transporter and tractor beam and warp drive and I can still defeat and SD relatively easily. First try and beam critical components OUT of the ship. engine core? what engine core. there is it floating in front of your bridge. have fun.
can't do that? KKV. go grab an asteroid. drag it on a path to intercept the SD at 75% the speed of light. no shields they can erect can dissipate that much energy and they are not maneuverable enough to get out of the way of such a thing or target it. it would hit them at almost the same instant they noticed it.
CPT: Lorder vader there is...
WHAM ship is inonized gas particles.
Wow.. I agree
JEEZ DUDE CALM THE HELL DOWN ITS JUST MAKE BELIEVE BESIDES ALL THE FANCY VOCABULARY DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT IT'S FUCKING MAKE BELIEVE
I was actually wondering what Starfleet medical technology could do for Darth Vader.
Restore his lungs, skin, and more. I would think they could give Vader enough reason too turn the side of good, before going back to kill the Emperor.
@Komandor Cliff never thought of it that way. I'm too vain. If I could look like Anakin before the suit, even with all artificial limbs, I would.
@Komandor Cliff I don't remember any mention of cybernetics from the eugenics war, but I know in the new Picard series, that "synthetics " are a big no, no. Where would Vader fit? By the federation's criteria, he'd almost be a Borg.
@UCTWv_UoD7SvameysnN5T0nA well, the comment section won't let me read your whole comment , so I'll reply as best I can. I know little about Starfleet medical's tissue regeneration. I missed that episode. I remember reading a book ( I know, they're not canon), when a Borg, that they disconnected from the collective couldn't take it, and put her fist through a window. The force field that plugged the breach, severed her arm, and was replaced with a cybernetic prosthetic. Just made me think.
@Komandor Cliff Actually prosthetics technology is very advanced in Star Trek. In DS9 Nog got a new leg after his had to be amputated, Geordi's Visor and eyes, In Discovery Airiam has a virtually entirely cybernetic body. There's a difference between cybernetics and the Borg.
The Eugenics War was about genetic tampering. The Federation does have gene therapy and corrective procedures, the laws are against improving humans through artificial means.
I don’t want to be that guy, but the stormtroopers on the Death Star were given deliberate orders to let them escape. And it’s not like this is from some secondary source. They say as much in a new hope, when Vader asks the stormtrooper commander whether the homing beacon is well secured on their ship, heavily implying that they were intentionally let go in order to help lead the empire to the rebel base. Princess Leia even says it herself, that their escape was too easy and that they must have been let go.
In Star Wars, A New Hope, the Death Star Storm Troopers deliberately missed the main characters even when standing still because Vader ordered his troops to let them escape in order to track the Falcon to the rebel's base. A fun video to watch. Thanks for producing it,
Wouldn't they be gold shirts in the 24th century rather than red shirts?
correct. also, tos was really the only star trek series that threw it's crew's lives away like that. serving on literally any ship that wasn't under kirk's command was fairly safe
That’s why I’m saying the red shirts are command officers on enterprise E
The colour of the uniform doesn't matter. All security teams are redshirts at heart.
No, in TOS the blue shirts were science, red engineering, and yellow/gold tactical. But in the next gen. Science is the same, but the others have swapped colors.
+Mark Dowling - YES, since TNG
I gave this video a like for two reasons.
First, the line about Stormtroopers: "They can't seem to hit a primary character even if he's standing still."
Second, the bit about how the boarding party was going: "How's the boarding party going?" Scene cuts to Darth Vader mowing them all down.
LOL. Epic Comedy! :D
These ships are always shown to have very weak or ineffective shielding. The Enterprise E would disable large sections with phasers alone. Quantum torpedos would blow it apart.
I like your scenario better than mine.
I hate how star wars fan boys always overlook the transporters
It makes me laugh that a x wing weapon can penetrate the shields but fan boys think a sovereign class could not
Even if they couldn't it would be 2 phaser shots to the shield emitors then a few armed torpedoes transported next to the star destroyers reactor and then game over
not to mention the Enterprise is way more manourable and would tail the SD poking shots at it constantly always on its ass like a WW2 dogfight
Wow, you managed to go fully ignorant. The shields of an ISD can take 5 minutes of continuous fire from another ISD which has 60 Turbolasers that are ~8gigaton equivalent. The Fire Power of a Photon Torped is 64 megatons and the Quantum is 128 megatons. The Phasers are barely 4 megaton. The Enterprise doesn't have the Power needed to even make the shields flicker.
@@scottanderson1170 not sure what beta cannon your quoting and would have liked to discuss, but you’re a weirdo who should go back to his basement and not insult people trying to have a fun a conversation
There's no way Darth Vader gets blocked by Deanna Troy.
EXACTLY!! I'm sorry but half-Betazoid telepathy ain't got nothing on a force choke. Point's for originality, but hell naw. XD
agreed, even if The Force was limited to telepathy (which its not) Troy is limited in her telepathic abilities to mostly be empathic, not even fully able to read peoples thoughts. In the past there have been other far more powerful telepathic entities that have knocked her on her ass. In a situation where she was able to read Vader's emotions I feel the raw hate he exuded would mentally shock her. Then we get to the reason why Vader can manipulate physical objects (telekinesis) while Diana can not, The Force. Obi Wan told Luke it's "an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together.". It is part of every part of the enterprise, it is part of all of the crew and having The Force allows those who wield it to be able to manipulate it. That's why a force choke would be able to affect Picard and Diana would not be able to do anything about it, because she does not have telekinetic abilities that comes from being a Force user.
+L Plunk -
But Darth Vader´s emotional mess can be triggered by even the weakest telepath or even a normal human with insider knowledge ... that will leave Vader vulnerable for some time & also cause him to destroy his own bridge ( & more)
+Killerspieler0815 - The problem is Troi is not a telepath in the traditional sense, because she is only half Betazoid she is limited to being an empath. While she can feel others emotions and get vague notions on their intentions she can neither fully read peoples mind, trigger emotions in others or control their mind. That was Star Treks way of handicapping her so that there would be tension, I mean all the battles on TNG would be over in a second if she was a full on telepath. Darth Vader is a trained Jedi and Sith Master. After becoming a Sith he was tasked with wiping out all the remaining Jedi (all whom had telepathic powers) so to think he would be an open book for any telepath (let alone an empath) to read and manipulate seems a bit far fetched.
True here, but still less plot holes than nemesis.
I know the Video is 2 years old which makes my comment being slightly late... lol... but In this battle my money would always be on the USS Enterprise E.
Not because I like Star Trek more than Star Wars which is not the case... I value both equally entertaining... but because it would take Mr. Worf and Mr. Data about approximately 30 to 60 seconds tactical analysis scanning the Star Destroyer that it doesn't have any significant protection or fire-power at the rear because of the rocket like propulsion system.
That means for the Enterprise with its higher manoeuvring capabilities they only have to stay behind the Star Destroyer, boost front shields and concentrate fire at the Star Destroyers engines to essentially take the whole ship down without risking to expose it self to the full weapons artillery of the Star Destroyer. Also once the Star Destroyers shielding is compromised and offers opportunities to transport anything inside it is most likely that Commander Worf would suggest beaming a couple of Quantum Torpedos to ship critical locations inside the Star Destroyer and detonate them with a 3 second delay which gives the Star Destroyer crew next to no chance to defend their ship from the blasts.
Bye Bye Star Destroyer...
@Komandor Cliff
I agree a Star Destroyer hosts a massive amount of small fighters, which actually have no real protection against particle infused energy weapons. A phaser burst of 0.5seconds would be enough to deal with Tie-fighter or Tie-Bomber. The auto targetting system of the Enterprise D would very likely be sufficient to be tasked with taking care of that problem. The Enterprise D can employ up to 12 phaser beam arrays of its weapons at the same time means 12 shots every 0.5 seconds. How long until all Tie-Fighters and Tie Bombers have been shot down? Probably not very long. That does not include the front and aft photon torpedo launcher (8 front at a time and 4 aft at a time) of which if each being detonated detonated within a group of small craft can take out a whole group instantly.
Also there is the issue that a small craft can only pass the Shields of a Starfleet Vessel if that small craft or its own shields match the exact wave frequency otherwise a small craft will just bounce off of the deflector field of the shields leaving a short shield recharge spike behind. Same goes for bombs and torpedoes. That is the reason why even torpedoes from within the Star Trek Universe have only very marginal effect on a Star Ship with fully charged Shields and requires an enemy vessel to drain the Shields of a Starfleet Vessel with energy based weapons to have any significant effect. So no diving underneath a Starfleet Vessel's Shield. Sorry, the Star Destroyer is still toast.
In general I'd give it to the enterprise. Faster. More maneuverable. Federation has better long range sensors. Better long range communication. Transporter tech.
@Komandor Cliff I believe there was at least one instance of the federation beaming torpedoes into a ship. But it was by janeway against the borg. That's a pretty dire situation.
To me, I'm a fan of both. It's SI FI... But if I were to go in the argument, here's what I'm seeing from each one. Whether or not SW is using Lasers or Plasma, ST has dealt with it a century before and can combat it with ease. From Balance of Terror to Vegr (which threw far more high energy Plasma at the Enterprise than the SD's could muster up using every turbo laser at once) and yet we are talking about a century before the Enterprise E. If you are talking about Lasers, I like to refer you to a quote from Picard "They can fire their Lasers until they run dry and they wouldn't do a thing to this ship." Now people like to point to Q Who where the Borg used a laser to cut into the haul of the ship, but I must remind people that the Borg brought down the shield before using the laser cutter.
its treason then
The blasters and turbolasers use plasma. Bit still, phasers are superior weapons to the ones the empire use.
I wanted to see Data plug in to an access port like R2
why would Data need to do something that a rolling trashcan has to do to be useful?
Data doesn't need to do that since he is faster than a droid.
LOL. Forgot about that. Him and Seven of Nine would make Ten.
Rob Okray LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
He is "fully functional"
LOL
"The redshirts are failing"
Seriously? In the TNG era, the division colour of starfleet security (and engineering) is yellow, not red. This means that redshirts would, in this fictional encounter, be command personnel, who would probably not be included in a boarding party.
you know it doesn't matter if their shirts are neon green, the term redshirt will forever refer to any nonMC/RC character carrying a weapon as starfleet combatants.
What the hell?! Why would anybody care?! Star Trek sucks, no one cares about the color of some idiots shirts. Jesus. Star Wars for life.
Command crew always go on away missions. Every episode of star trek and all the movies to make my point Canon. The bridge crew are used in boarding actions, hazardous surface missions and everything in between so sending command staff from other departments won't matter too much to Picard, he's got loads of them.
@@SeaBucket1 you're entitled to your opinion, troll.
Two words: Picard Maneuver
Ye
Picard maneuver,a classic.
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"Lasers, how quaint. Mr. Data, beam a quantum torpedo onto their bridge". End of battle.
So, even being a Trekkie before all else, this kind of comment annoys me. It's patently clear SW ships have shields, and that their "turbolasers" are more like the magnetically bottled plasma of Stargate's staff weapons (and also Goa'uld ship-based weapons). That's not to say I think the Star Destroyer would win, just that if you're going to argue in favour of Star Trek, please don't use such intellectually dishonest arguments.
The Enterprise has superior targeting and range (250,000-300,000 km, TNG: The Wounded) and can swat a squadron of fighters in seconds with a single phaser array (TNG: Conundrum), and it has 16 phaser arrays. This is not even mentioning the Enterprise's 10 photon (matter-antimatter) and quantum torpedo launchers. The Enterprise also has better maneuverability and acceleration than the wallowing Star Destroyer. The original Enterprise could accelerate 0-.25c (75,000 kps) in less than 19 seconds (ST:TMP). The Enterprise E is much faster. Many arguments could be made for greater firepower, but the fact is that when it comes to firepower feats, Trek phasers have much more impressive showings than SW Turbolasers.
Also, if utilization of the Force comes into the scenario, there is little proof that Force powers would work effectively on the objects/people of the Enterprise. Midiclorians do not reside in the lifeforms from the Milky Way Galaxy, and the technology (not to mention powerful telepaths) certainly exists that would be able to detect such lifeforms. No Midiclorians, no energy-field for Sith/Jedi to manipulate.
Stories and scenarios notwithstanding, my opinion is that in a straightforward and canon assessment of tactical abilities between the two ships is a no contest. The Sovereign Class Enterprise finishes this engagement in minutes, if not seconds.
What about Enterprise F?
The issue is that the Federation Ships could only destroy the Fighters. They could fire all day with all their phasers and torpedo and not even put a strain on the shields of a Corellion Corvette let alone a Star Destroyer.
@@scottanderson1170 TNG era phasers can cut miles into a planetary crust in seconds and one-shot asteroids as large or larger than the one that sheered off the Star Destroyer's bridge during Empire Strikes Back. A fleet of just 40 ships in the TNG era could annihilate 30% of a planet's crust in one weapon salvo. Hundreds of years prior to that era, an NX class starship could destroy a mountain the size of Mount McKinley in one strike. A single TNG era photon torpedo can destroy everything within 100 km.
Star Wars capital ships have no canon firepower feats to match any of this, with the exception of the First Order Siege Dreadnought, which was known to have slow recharge times, and the Xyston-class Star Destroyers, which are essentially planet-destroying cannons with all the durability of tin foil.
Suffice to say, there's no evidence to support the idea of Star Wars shield superiority.
@@Acrosurge A: The phasers drilled small holes in a crust that was soft by terran standards.
B: No asteroid that phasers or photon Torpedoes destroyed has come close to the size of the one that hit the Star Destroyer bridge and was pulverized against it. Canonically that same ship that took the hit was the one that the Millenium Falcon hid on the back side of it's control tower.
Everything you have posted is fallacious at best.
@@scottanderson1170 Bruh, I watched the scene with the asteroid. "Canonically in out-of-movie sources" isn't canonically. The asteroid killed the bridge crew at least, since the hologram of the admiral of the hit ISD flickers and disappears in the very same scene three seconds afterwards.
A Sovereign class, Romulan D'deridex, or Klingon Negh'var would shred an ISD. Hell even a Cardassian Galor would roast it.
Constitution class starship are strong enough to take down a star destroyer...
...pilot Constitution class.
@@dexoearth9167 the refit took a hit from V'ger, so an ISD would be a piece of cake.
WRONG!...I love how everyone in these StarTrek vs StarWars vids seem to forget certain technological aspects of StarTrek that virtually makes this skirmish an easy win for the StarTrek....The SUPERIOR targeting systems combined with the SUPERIOR computers and sensors of the Federation ship would have easily disabled all power sources, shields, and weapons on the the destroyer leaving it a floating paperweight...End of battle. I'm a huge fan of both Universes, maybe leaning more towards the StarWars Universe, but I'm atleast honest about the scenario. StarWars is completely outclassed by StarTrek from a technological stance.
This. And also Picard has the experience to use that technological advantage to easily out captain Vader.
Well I disagree with the part that that woman stoped Vader from strangling that bald dude.(srry I'm not really a fan of star trek.) This is because it's the force. Regardless of vader's telepathy, cuz it's the force, this ending the battle.
@@kaiericsson1187, If thats direction you want to go in. The Enterprise could simply destroy the Star Destroyer before they could even get in range, and Q would never allow the demise of Picard. Q would simply snap his fingers and take away Vaders powers or just make Vader disappear. Star wars is completely outclassed. Victory is not achievable.
I find ur lack of faith disturbing.
never mind the fact the that phasers and torpedos have far superior range than anything in Star Wars (maybe star killer base) and the Enterprise could simply sit back and bombard the star destroyer from range
Another great comparison between star trek and star wars . I really enjoyed this galactic clip. Great job!
One item of comparison that is established in both universes...firepower against a planet. Han states that it would take more firepower than 1000 ships (read as star destroyers) to destroy a planet. We also have the approximate 30 ship Romulan/Cardassian task force sent to destroy the Founders homeworld. To the latter, the first volley destroyed 1/3 of the planets crust. Continued volleys would first destroy the entire crust and inevitably destablize the core leading to planetary structural failure.
Given the comparison in on screen derived story info...no novels or speculation... it would seem that the empires weapon and shield stats are suspect. The SD's also suffer from a either a critical design flaw or a less sophisitcated understanding of high energy physics in that their shield generators are housed within 2 geodesic pods external to the ship...easily identifiable targets...rather than integrated into the ships hull as in ST. This design has been a problem sevetal times on film.
Consider that everything comes from the first film. Shield generators come from geodesic domes surrounding ground and ship radar systems...a recognizable analogous structure to be employed in the 1970's. Lucas used what would seem acceptable so that really outlandish tech didn't interefere with the story ... a wise choice for a film but poor for real ship shield generator design. Ask yourself the question: if there are hover cars then why aren"t there hover AT-AT's they would be faster and more manuverable than "walking tech".
The real difference is that ST had to work out the science end of the story so much more completely because it has been presented to the public so much more often. SW has had the luxury of only a few representations over a story arc timeline of only about 75 years within a very restrictive tech base. ST occurs over centuries with tech growth as part of the story arc. Whatever Lucas chose to initially represent has become canon.
If a single SD can vaporize an asteroid with a single shot then a few dozen could destroy a planet in short order...not the more than a thousand as referenced. These are the glaring inconsistencies in SW that persist.
It would take 1,000 ships to blow a planet into a stable asteroid field. Even the assault on the Founders world never envisaged doing that. You do have an excellent point about the design philosophy behind each franchise, though.
It would take a thousand ships to Blow a planet into pieces however a single ISD can crack a planets crust and make it uninhabitable using the so called Base Delta Zero Manouver
Furthermore the writers of the SW manual for star destroyers stated that they inflated the numbers from the show to "be more powerful than those other guys" when asked about what they ment, they said they were referring to ST. The manual isn't cannon to the show because of that.
@Komandor Cliff Someone touched a nerve.
@Komandor Cliff to be fare the crystals are for mixing the anti matter without it going "boom" they actually do use magnetic bottles to hold it. :-)
and yes. an aweful lot of plot convenient technobabble. seriously? get over yourself its SCIENCE FICTION. not SCIENCE FACT :-)
Star Destroyers can enter atmosphere
Yes, but does not help against the 24th century Federation ships
Victory class could not The ISD’s
@Matthew (Student) Agonoy Don't even need the movie logic, just need the propulsion offline, since the engines of the ISD were the main reactors. If they're not firing... then the ship would be running on auxillary/emergency power. Life support, artificial gravity, inertial dampening, and repulsors attempting to catch a free falling ISD probably would strain Aux power to the max and would have possibly even damaged the drive reactors, when the engines were finally fired and immediately throttled up to catch the ship.
Your narrations are certainly my kind of bedtime story, I could never get tired of listening to you, even if there is no video to flank your awesome narration! Thanks.
Empire's internal security lax? Hahaha. How many times are people able to take over a Starfleet ship again?
@The Archangel I've only seen one story where they managed to steal a fully prepared Star Destroyer. And it was everything they could do with the whole main cast involved.
Perfect! Vader fought aggressively, with rage as his weapon, but the Enterprise crew literally saved the day by ... doing their homework! They prevailed because they studied harder and learned more! That is SO Starfleet. Haha, you really understand the difference between these two truly epic storytelling universes. :) Well done.
"The Red Shirts were failing" when have they ever not failed? XD
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She couldn’t block the force, as it’s not telepathically done, the force is everything.
The fact that vader could even choke from that distance sounds like total bullshit convenient for the plot. I know he can choke people from few kilometers away but those dudes must have been hundreds of kilometers away. But im sure what actually protected picard was his plot armor. Nothing can kill thro plot armor.
@lcyw20 Not quite as the force choke is actually done through telekinesis not telepathy. There are even references of when this is done like when Thrawn is choked by a Jedi master in the book Outbound flight
Force choke wouldn't even matter against the technology of the Federation. The Enterprise would just bean Vador into space done deal
@lcyw20 I agree. Diana is only half Betazoid and even as a full Betazoid she would have trouble. I think she would have to be exceptionally powerful. But even then - I don't think Darth Vader could use the Force from that distance.
@@Lance-ub6ft Lol that would be unwise.
They could've just beamed aboard a torpedo into the Star Destroyer and blown it up
We think alike.
Or just simply start point-to-point beaming imperial crew into space.
so much more options whit enterprise
Yep, Enterprise for the win.
Yes Janeway did it
the phased shield system used in star trek is not only phased and able to be modulated to negate frequencies of fire (the specific vibration rate of whatever the core material of the plasma/turbo laser fire is), they are also layered with the enterprise D having a two and if I remember correctly towards the end of the series a three layer set of shields. Compared to the modular, weak, and even movable (not full coverage) shields of the imperial there is very little chance that the star destroyer could make a single scratch on any star fleet ship of any decent size.
Wait, so you're relying on plot armor for the outcome? Really?
Sgt. Ribeye It's the only armor characters on Star Trek have lol.
let's be real. a star destroyer piloted by a normal commander would call ion cannons to disable it, use turbolasers to destory it, and if nessasary, send a boarding party of stormtroopers to kill off the crew without any plot armour to protect the captains and main charaters of star trek.
Not really.
ST has actual combat armor that can take energy weapon hits with ease and comes with cloaking abilities.
you see unlike SW, ST books are still canon unless stated other wise by property owners of ST.
besides Data is far faster than human and droid from SW so he could have most likely taken down half of the troopers himself.
on top of that it was stated in one of the TNG episodes that normal energy weapons won't work on him unless they have the correct settings to disable him.
only way they could kill him was having him on a ship that exploded, lol.
Besides plot armor works both ways, they couldn't hit luke ether and he was standing in the clearing, also Han solo should have been killed but he couldn't have been hit ether.
hell Darth vader should have been killed during the battle of the death star but guess what?
he wasn't
so you two have no room to talk.
valor0dragoon Luke wasn't shot because the storm troopers were ordered to miss. I thought that was common knowledge
It was all a part of the joke after all the "Redshirts" all died so it wasn't just the stormtroopers being "Bad shots' but a joke in a video that they KNEW would cause crying from both sides.
Here's something else to consider. If this scenario takes place after ST Nemesis, this means that all tech developed by Voyager will be readily available to the Enterprise E. Ablative armour, transphasic torpedoes, and mobile emitters for holographic soldiers. No red shirt ever need perish on away missions ever again. It is simple to replicate thousands of holo-emitters and beam these nigh indestructible holo soldiers onto the Star Destroyer. As it would take a direct hit on an emitter to disable the holo soldier, many Storm Troopers will be stunned with little danger to Worf and Data. But since they don't actually need to beam aboard the Star Destroyer to disable it, this point is moot.
The one thing this video does is stress the need for a bit of research before the project is started. A few moments could have prevented this basket of errors from being broadcast.
YES that only exponentiates the Federation´s threat for the Empire ... a real massacre ending the Empire ... If the Federation wanted , it could in a huge Holocaust wipe out everything in the Star Wars galaxy (just coping the hyperdrive & star maps) ...
Edit: Capt. Sisko & especially Section 31 would be capable to do it ...
Nope, canon events had the Federation put the Voyager in stasis according to Temporal Prime Directive protocols. The Federation literally sat on all that advanced technology, which was still far inferior to the stuff available to the Empire.
*Nope, canon events had the Federation put the Voyager in stasis according to Temporal Prime Directive protocols.*
Where was that written. I don't see that in memory alpha atleast.
Also, Federation is so far ahead in terms of technology compared to the Empire that its hilarious. Its like comparing Roman Empire (Empire) to modern day US (Federation). The Empire has superior numbers though.
Correct me if I am wrong but I do not believe you can replicate the energy sources needed to power mobile emitters. Also I see no reason to believe that ablative armor or transphasic torpedoes would NECESSARILY be more powerful than their Imperial counterparts. I concur with the final assessment, the Star Destroyer has more raw power, but the Enterprise is much more nimble and can do far more. The Star Destroyer is designed to play a particular role in a fleet, while the Enterprise is supposed to be self-sufficient. I think in a real fight the Enterprise would calculate the odds and run, just like they did against the Borg with the bonus that the Star Destroyer can't really catch them.
@pyropulse You don't take into account how shield technology in the federation is far more powerful even with lower levels of energy required for operation. Shield modulation and multi frequency shield technology is far beyond what we ever see in the star wars universe.
So we just gonna forget vader has been a tactical genius since the clone wars?.....ok
I love both franchise so i can clearly say in a non biase fashion data and picard together have amazing tactical potential so yes they can match vader in that regard star wars fanboi.
@@iamwally3000 match them, fine but this is making it sound like he has no tactics in comparison
@@iamwally3000 there is a difference between potential and actual combat knowledge, and using fanboy as an insult is degrading to both fandoms
lol ye ig but using geek power here in star wars darth vader isn't in clone wars bc darth vader technally isn't anakin at least thats what obi-wan said.
@@weilinwilliamluo Anakin Skywalker as a name/ identity is gone but tactics, experience no so all due respect he does kind of have a point
The Enterprise could have used a tachyon beam to disrupt the star destroyer's shield. After that a full spread of quantum and photon torpedos would rip throught the armour and cause a reactor breach if not an overload.
So why not just do that in every single battle?
because unlike SW, ST is based more in reality and it can burn out the deflector array doing this.
that tactic is a last ditch effort to win.
but if ST used magic tech like SW does then sure ST could do that all day long and suffer no ill effects for doing so.
@Sagrotan You feel that Star Wars armor can easily withstand Matter-Antimatter torpedoes when Proton Torpedoes are enough to substantially damage them.
Your point about the Tachyon Beam does have merit, but raises the question of whether or not the interaction between Star Trek phasers and transporters can be stopped by Star Wars shields.
They'd try it and it would fail.
@@3Rayfire A: The Photon Torpedo has a payload of 64 megatons. A Proton Torpedo has a payload equivalent of ~2 gigatons. A Quantum torpedo is 128 megaton. So basically ST Torpedoes are little more than fireworks to an ISD.
B: Since Transporters are disrupted by a number of weak phenomena, the very strong shields of SW franchise will absolutely make them useless.
So what you're saying is than an empath stopped Vader from slaughtering Picard. Um.... No.... Just no....
Vader could break the necks of everyone in the bridge with ease. An Empath isn't going to stop the force. This battle ended before it even began
September 3155 um yeah Vader could do that if the ships were close but if the range is 100,000km not a chance
We see in future episodes that the force has no limit, planets can be millions of light years away and Skywalker can still use the force.
which is bullsh*t
@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701 well the battle is bullshit a star destroyer cannot stand up to most Starfleet ships just because of star treks dumbass tech
He killed a general in orbit from a planet surface with force choke during the battle of Hoth. Distance doesn't matter in the Force there is no max range if you are strong enough. If he gets a chance which he would cause the enterprise would accept the hail the entire bridge is dead.
The quantum torpedoes should really have been the start and end of the fight. The state of quantum superposition (as the name suggests) they exist in were built to fight Borg, meaning they'd very likely walk right through Imperial shield tech; with quantum torpedoes the Star Destroyer may as well not even have shields.
Ye and also the phaser strips woul realistically cut down star destroyers shields very rapidly with quantum torpedos to finish the star destroyer off
No, Quantum Torpedos are just more powerful Photon Torpedos. Roughtly twice as strong at 128 megaton. The Turbolaser is ~8 gigatons and the ISD can take over 6000 shots from those before losing shields.
this is too funny. but phasers are rechargeable.
Yes but it seems like that take time
iirc they Phasers don't take that long to recharge.
however they took the Enterprise's Warp drive offline for this fight means they crippled the E badly to make this a draw.
had they not given the slight edge to the SW ship the E would have won by using everything they have wisely.
yes the SD has heavy fire power but they are short range, lack of mobility, relies heavily on their 72 Tie fighters, ect.
the SD is a brick that can't move unless it uses hyper space.
Phaser can be recharged.
in Star Trek,lasers are obsolete.
The main computer of the star destroyer is on the biridge so you are telling me that a squad of light armed soldiers managed to defeat the 10k stormtroopers and darth vader?
or they just accessed it from a console somewhere.
KalodosBG But the barrage could of kill many of the Stormtroopers
Just fire some quantum torps directly at the bridge. What does work with A-Wing fighters should also work with deadly torps.
Xen1701 but there were shields there and they ran out of Quantum Torpedos
Xen1701 one, the crew of the enterprise wouldn't know that, and two, that only worked because the executor was already crippled.
This comment section:
99% Enterprise would win.
1% Star Destroyer would win
100% people trying to act smart by writing ENTIRE FRIKIN' ESSAYS IN THE COMMENTS!!
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Yeah, I don’t know why people think that the enterprise would automatically win
Fans of Both Star Wars and Star Trek get severely butt hurt over these videos, its hilarious what kind of information they pull out of their ass to justify their point.
@@stuglife5514 I won't argue that. But I will say, I was watching an episode of Star Trek TOS just yesterday and they were saying that the Enterprise has the power to destroy all life on a planet. So, both have the same capabilities it seems. But, of course, a star destroyer vs TOS enterprise is a different story but if the TOS can destroy a planet, that means the future ones can too which must have similar power yields right?
Of course, at the end of the day, Star Wars has warships, Star Trek has exploration ships.
These scenarios only work because everyone always ASS-sumes that real people will only fire when the Enterprise's shields are down to ten percent AND because they always ASS-sume that the Enterprise can only fire for "ten minutes."
Or some other bull-shit like that.
Anthony Hargis ass-umes ftfy
The way the shields work, high enough incoming damage can penetrate them and bleed through. 10% means there are gaps forming in the shield grid.
But the technology the Empire uses.. Ion and laser cannons... Captain Archer had that technology and they had to improve it for Enterprise to last three seasons.
They use Ion Cannons and something they call Turbolasers but acts like Plasma. The output for these weapons is well in excess of the entire power production of the Galaxy Class starship Warp core for fifteen seconds. Those are canon facts from both universes. That was numbers approached by Roddenberry and Luca for their respective universes at the time they had control. Those benchmark numbers have been used afterwards and never been disputed by the people who could even make the attempt.
Good video i thoroughly enjoyed it. but i have a few issues with it not going into the dick measuring contest of who has the better weapons i have some issues with Data's plan
1. The spherical objects on top of the bridge tower are indeed shield generators, but they only reinforce the shields around the bridge due to it being such an obvious target
2. Beaming boarding parties aboard to a ship that maybe able reactivate it's shields (you only destroyed one of them remember) sounds like suicide for the boarding parties also transporters have limits to the amount of solid material they can pass through a star destroyer is very heavily armored, having many layers between the outside of the ship and key systems
3. Beaming aboard a clearly larger more militaristic vessel sounds like suicide due to the fact it probably has more soldiers on board than you have ( Imperial class 2 star destroyers typically carried 9,700 troops )
4. star destroyers (in fact most star wars ships) do not have main computers they have local computers for dedicated functions networked with the bridges (star destroyers have a secondary bridge in case that obvious target gets destroyed for being an obvious target) all these computers have firewalls and counter-cyber attack systems (star wars does have droids and trained personal capable of hacking after all )
5.also the langue the computer is in is nothing like star fleet would have ever come across
6. internal defense around systems of a star destroyer generally had a squad of 9 storm troopers protecting it, this number was generally increased during combat to stop boarding parties taking the position or on the importance of the system.
7. using Obi-Wan's shutting down of the Death star's tractor beam is a very odd choice; no.1 It's on a space station the size of a small moon which is much larger and harder for physical security to cover. no.2 Obi-wan had to use the force to avoid detection to get to the tractor beam your boarding parties do not have the force and would have to fight at minimum 9 well train storm troopers. no.3 storm troopers wear armor giving some degree of protection star trek doesn't seem to have personal armor of any sorts.
8. there is no shut override system for propulsion ever mentioned in star wars if there was it would probably be situated in the reactor area
9. A star destroyers main engines have back-up reactors in case they lose power
10. The clip you showed happened after the star destroyer had hit by at minimum 6 ion torpedo's frying every system in the star destroyer. The star destroyer you are facing still has some shields to absorb the impact also a Sovereign class star ship is not reinforced or shaped like the hammerhead corvette which were modified to perform such maneuvers.
11. Carrying on from point 10 star wars ships have much heavier armor compared to star trek ships even at it's weakest points. (near the bridge/ gun emplacement viewports) the star wars cross sections clearly show this as do the pictures shown on memory-alpha.wikia.com ) The Enterprise ramming into this would be a very bad idea.
12. the Enterprise is in very close proximity to the star destroy here is the armament for a Imperial class 2 star destroyer
Heavy turbolaser batteries (50) 20 fore 15 port 15 starboard
Turbolaser batteries (50)
Additional turbolaser batteries (26+)
Heavy ion cannons (20) 10 fore 5 port 5 starboard
Octuple barbette turbolaser or Ion cannons (8)
Phylon Q7 tractor beam projectors (10) 6 fore 2 port 2 starboard
At some point of this long boarding action some of these are definitely going to hit only going underneath the belly of the star destroyer or behind it would they be able to avoid fire. At which point it would launch it's remaining 42 TIE fighters and 6 assault gunboats, as the Enterprise is currently out of offensive capabilities at this point it's shields would be getting whittled down if not gone under this sustained fire.
13. the star destroyer has not suffered any damage at all from having it's engines shut off it went into a degrading orbit not colliding into another star destroyer like in Rouge One where you get your clip from. In fact even in that clip the star destroyer that got rammed is still in fighting condition after hitting the other star destroyer, except for being offline of course
14. Firing the Navigational deflector does require the warp core as far as i can tell because it the have to divert all power from the warp drive to do so
dam that was a lot than i thought i was going to put at the start of this :(
everything i have said can be found on
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Main
star wars incredible cross-sections
or covered by the Imperial Navies protocol for counter boarding
also the star destroyer has 10 tractor beams projectors which are still at the time of board capable of locking onto the Enterprise and whilst not all would have to be deactivated two separate tractor beam projectors would need to
Well there is an easy win for the Enterprise. Beam bombs to every importat system. Also it should be noted that from feats alone the Enterprise is *much* more impressive. Tunneling through solid rock etc.
And how do you think you are going to beam that in while the Shields are up? How do you think you are going to do it with the ECM blaring? Most of all are you going to lower your shields for the ten to fifteen seconds it takes to do that? In the end you may have killed the bridge crew, but you died horribly as your ship was literally blown apart.
ok um, no. listen. The enterprise can sit well outside the star destroyers pidly ass range and still beam bombs aboard. not to mention if they had used a genesis torpedo against the destroyer it would have become a tiny planet.
ETHOR productions then you run into the shields of the Star Destroyer and sheer mass of the armor. All iterations of Star Trek transporter systems can't penetrate shields, and have a difficult time with solid objects (rocks, starships armored with meters thick Durasteel, etc etc.)
As the other person stated above, while the Enterprise lowers it shields to transport people while that close would get pummeled by the insane amount of turbolasers (regardless of inaccuracy)
And this is all before you take the 10s of TIE's into account.
*shrugs* I'm biased, so... I'm a SW fanboy at heart, take my comment with a grain of salt.
*Transporter range isn't an issue to the ISD because of ^stated above. I think I trailed a bit, just clarifying.
Joshua Wallace the star destroyer wouldn’t even be able to target the enterprise
the empire's laser cannons on the star destroyer would be a joke to the Enterprise.
@Komandor Cliff no it's true
Nope.
@@samueltheblonde yup
Yes, lasers would do nothing to the enterprise's shields. They're an outdated technology.
Lol lasers are a joke to any star fleet vessels even as far back is as Kirks time . Plus how do you know that the Enterprise E doesn't have passers link to it's warp core like the Defiant. After all Scotty had a hand In it's design. Remember Scotty and spoke did the same shit with the Enterprise 1701 during it's refit.
Star wars fans: Our side was nerfed
Star trek fans: No our side was nerfed
Lol the comment section in a nutshell
You nailed it ;)
miller repin But the truth is star trek side was significantly nerfed.
Deathstar vs xindi superweapon? No?
You have to remember that plot armor is bs and stormtrooper aim is no laughing matter. The only reason you SEE them miss is because they are INSTRUCTED too. Standard Imperial protocol is if a ship is boarded, rules of engagement are automatically set to weapons free unless stated otherwise by a higher ranking officer and/or imperial associate. Vader wanted the enterprise in one piece, he gave no f’s about the crew.
True, but depending on the amount of storm troopers, Word and Data are both incredibly skilled combatants.
I think using Deathstar 1 footage for Storm trooper accuracy against main characters shouldn't be use. After all the storm troopers were ordered to let them escape as lamp shaded by Princess Leia in original unedited star wars.
ST ships can fight at FTL speeds and ranges of millions of blocks while SW ships fight at sub-light speeds and ranges of single digit of football fields.
Right!
Stewart.
@Komandor Cliff Because showing ships fighting at light-second ranges, trading thin beams of light, isn't as visually interesting.
@Komandor Cliff that is because of 2 reasons. 1 intentional 1 accidental.
Intentional: real space combat would be boring. far apart and silent. a "dogfight" looks like more fun. a true space battle would be more like the very first episode with enterprise firing torpedo's at a distance Q approaching.
Accidental: ST tech against ST tech has to be danger close. they can't fight long distance for the same reason they CAN fight long distance against star wars tech.
Sensors. ST tech can SEE without light lag. they can see long distances in real time without light lag (subspace)
SO ST versus ST this don't work. if I lob a torpedo at you from 10 light seconds out you can just move or warp out of the way of the torpedo. SO ST on ST tends to be close in to remove the light lag advantage.
against SW however. well there is no contest. :-) SW has light lag ST does not. there is nothing SW can do to overcome this advantage.
imagine if you will that you chucked spears at me but they moved at 5mph and I was 50ft away. I could casually watch your incoming spears and simply step aside at my leisure to avoid them.
so the only way to fight me is to "get in close" where 5mp is fast enough to get a hit.
NOW imagine "I" fight back. lets assume my spear is also 5mph but here is the catch. YOU CAN NOT SEE my spears coming until they hit you. now what do you do? also your slow. you can just start moving around and jinking. YOU move at 0.05mph but I can move at the same 5mph as my spears or faster.
THIS is the light lag advantage ST would have over SW. as you can imagine it would be a vicious bloodbath.
@Komandor Cliff babylon 5 and the Expanse and BSG did not have fights like this. THEY were more like navel combat. the "capital ships" used bombardment type weapons.
for the "knife fight" they launched fighters to get in close.
ST elected to go the path of knife fighting capital ships. they have to. "long range" combat does not work when the ordinance is slow and you can see it coming in real time. BSG got around this with what was essentially a "flak barrier"
Curious enough Star Trek TOS actually did do this fairly often. The Balance of Terror, the battle against the Romulan Bird of Prey featured warp speed in the battle and distances that would be measured in light seconds rather than kilometers or miles. The TNG episode "Peak Performance" had the same with warp speed being expected to be a pivotal difference in the battle between the Enterprise and the Hathaway.
However, he did mitigate that advantage by giving the Star Destroyer the go ahead lucky shot of knocking the warp core off line at the open of the battle. Still impulse at outside the range of the Star Destroyer's weapons would be more than enough.
I think, one question hasn't been mentioned yet: How come that the Enterprise's sensors didn't find the Empire probes around Earth in advance?
Though fictional. if we base our opinion on non-canon .We are going to assume it a draw.But, This is what wrong with this scenario . A federation vessel would not be in a close proximity battle. Because, phasers have a range of 300.000 kilometers. A Imperial Star destroyer turbolasers maximum range is only 5.000 kilometers. Imperial missiles and proton torpedoes only about 10.000 kilometers. Federation photon torpedoes 3.500.000 kilometers range. So therefore the Enterprise E would have no need to be in close proximity combat with a Star Destroyer. They would only need to clear distance at one quarter of it's sublight velocity which is 0.25c 46.500 miles a second. Which is more than enough to be well beyond a Star destroyer weapons range in a nanosecond. Also the Empire deploy a two shield system. A particle Shields and ray Shields .the ray shield is their primary defense .but these Shield systems have limitations. The ray shield can only stop slow moving plasma weapons. they can't stop torpedoes mine's missiles Etc the particle Shield cannot stop rays.But some solid objects and debri. Yet ,Federation shields stop both energy and matter simultaneously. So it is quite obvious that such sublight light weaponry as the Empire employs .Would not penetrate Federation shields nor weaken them. But, Federation weaponry would overwhelm their defenses in sort order. because phasers travel faster than light and Photon Torpedoes can be fired at warp velocities. The battle wouldn't last 5 minutes the star destroyer would lose more than a thousand men . The Enterprise E was constructed to battle the Borg. A Borg Cube is fare more powerful than a Star destroyer and bigger. So it is not the size of these fictional machines but their true capability governed by Canon. Not speculation. So the out come would not be a draw . But heavy losses for the empire in spite of Vader.
additionally for edification purposes . In the Star Trek universe only Kirks first Constitution class starship was affected by ion storms. Ion storms are millions of times more powerful than any ion canon. yet, from cannon we can see that from the Enterprise A to the E.They were capable of running right through ion storms like knife through butter . Federation vessels also have the capability of emitting a ion pulse which is like a massive EMP .It not widely used because Federation vessels and the rest of the trek universe are immune to it. A ion pulse is thousand of times more powerful than the rebel primitive ion weapon. And we seen what it can do to star destroyers. So it is conceivable that one federation vessel would be able to take out a Fleet of Star destroyers in a 5 to 10.000 kilometers radius. While those primitive ion weapons would have little to no effect on Federation vessels. It was also ignored. that the Enterprise E hull is ablative armored which would make it the equivalent of a 6 foot hull . add to that their structural Integrity fields you can add a additional factor of four to Hall strength No they would not be rock by the meager might of a primitive Star Destroyer it would take a far more advanced vessel then that ancient ship.
that plot armor my good friend, the broken story plotis the fact the entreprise was caught anything caught with shield down cannot hope to escape a star destroyer.
zorbam lucien : Please even a shuttlepod can escape a star destroyer in normal space. Because all those Imperial weapons are slow sublight capable ordinance. Turbolasers maximum velocity is only 2.8 kilometers per second. Ion cannons and proton torpedoes are no faster than this . The maximum sublight speed of a Star destroyer is 975 kph . Your Tei fighter's are a little better at 1,200 kph , Tei boomers are even slower 800 kph. While on the other hand Enterprise E at it's sublight cruising velocity is traveling at 0.25c. 75,000 kilometers per second. You can't hit a vessel traveling at that speed with a 2.8 kilometers per second projectile weapon. Plot armor you say. The only plot armor is that they landed any shots at all on the Enterprise E and that the Destroyer was not destroyed in the first 5 minutes of the confrontation in G tech little scenario.
I'm afraid I have to burst your bubble, but while your ranges are correct, Phasers are not natively FTL weapons. They can be jacked with Subspace so they can be used at warp, but they don't actually travel faster than light normally.
Before anyone jumps down my throat, I love star wars AND star trek.
Two quantum torpedoes would have shattered that star destroyer if we're getting real here. As for the turbo lasers hammering the enterprise shields, I could totally see that happening. Actually, now I think of it. The mass of the star destroyer would probably keep it from shattering. However, the enterprise has superior firepower in its torpedoes and phasers harness the power of the sun, focused into the form of a beam. Though it appears puny, the damage output is unbelievable. I like the concept of the ion cannons doing work on the enterprise's systems. That I can also see happening. In a true battle, I'd say the enterprise still comes out on top. It's a tight combination of crew experience and technology where as the empire is known for the incompetence of its personnel and its severe lack of a technological advantage in this scenario.
As a huge, life-long Star Wars fan, I think the Enterprise E could beat an Imperial Star Destroyer. Not a one-sided curbstomp like some in this comment section says, but it has the means to pull off a victory. Mainly by capitalizing on the superior speed and maneuverability of the Enterprise to get on the destroyer's rear and pummel it where it can't effectively retaliate.
I'm a fan of both series. A Star Destroyer doesn't stand a chance. The Enterprise is way faster at sublight speeds. It can fire with extreme accuracy from hundreds of thousands of kilometers.
The Star Destroyer is extremely inaccurate, even at close range. It's weapons don't even have enough range to hit the Enterprise at normal engagement range.
Even if we assume that weapon power levels and shields are equal (clearly false based on RotS), Enterprise wins.
Here's how it goes. Enterprise parks 200 kilometers away. Picard orders that they maintain that distance. They TURN OFF THEIR SHIELDS. They divert all power to phasers. They constantly bombard the ISD's shields until they fail. Then they fire 4 photon torpedoes, maximum yield. They vaporize the ISD.
I didn't bother talking about what the ISD does, because it doesn't matter. They can't do anything that will change their fate.
At that distance bet you could send 2 runabouts on remote control firing quantum torpedoes. Which then programmed to have a warp core breach right on top of the star destroyers bottom and top Hull sections. Then if that's not enough empty your torpedoes compliment into the ships reactor
They could have just beamed torpedoes inside the star destroyer in key areas and detonated
They couldn't because the ISD has shields...
Outstanding move
Hmm launch one of the run about send to out of engagement zone then warp ramm the rear engine cones with 2 photon torpedoes aboard which explode a fraction of a second before impact. Following by another shuttle ramming same spot at full impulse. Then keep pounding same area with quantum torpedoes and phaser fire bound to hit something vital sooner or later. Or then just beam 10 torpedoes spread accross the ship
@@thomas.parnell7365 star trek ships can't beam through shields tough
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 it wouldnt take much to bring down a sextion of shielding. Also, photon and quantum torpedoes are capable of warp speeds and imperial shields cant stop objects moving ftl. With no shields to stop them, the torpedoes could bring down the shield generators with ease. After that, theyd make short work of the isd.
I think the Captain would just transport a few torpedo aboard.
DEFINITELY!
Didn’t the say they were almost out of torpedoes before they hit the shield generators? There may have been no torpedoes to beam.
I agree with you. A couple in the engine room and near where there fighter refuel and it would have been over
@@markhamrick9078 I don't think Picard would have used all his torpedoes that quickly
@@jameshelms1317 Yeah, I agree with you. Piccard was very conservative and efficient. He would be looking to exploit a weakness and certainly not endanger any crewmember needlessly. Good call!😎
I enjoy the narrative but problem #1 is the Enterprise going straight at the Star Destroyer at close range, and without already having scanned it for weaknesses.
They could simply sit a few hundred kilometers away and snipe it with guided torpedoes, out of turbolaser range and certainly out of the accurate range of manually-targeted guns. Or if they used their higher maneuverability, they could come up behind it, stay in its rear arc, and avoid pretty much all of the Star Destroyer's guns.
Not to mention that once the Enterprise got through its shields, why beam people in? Just start beaming Stormtroopers out. Or vital components. Or beam torpedoes or other explosives in?
The narrative is fun but it strips Picard and his crew of even the most basic tactical and strategic thinking.
Actually...STAR TREK orbital bombardments, have been demonstrated to be more powerful and destructive, than STAR WARS, orbital attacks...with vastly different results.
Now turn this power ship-to-ship ...& the mess should be, pretty much the same. ...Though critical damage, relies on crucial surgical strikes for either to have the desired effect.
um, cool story and all, but, if the Star Destroyer's shields, are down and you can beam your own folks onboard the Star Destroyer, you SHOULD be able, to beam all the life-forms, on the Star Destroyer, into the vacuum, of 300 kilometer Earth orbit before you even send, a boarding-party ….jus sayin ….
The Enterprise would just stay at warp and remain completely undetectable by the Star Destroyer. Then blow it up with photon/quantum torpedoes, weapons effective at warp velocities and travel at warp themselves, if launched from a vessel travelling at warp.
Plot armor had me like if they were clones they would hit the main characters
storm troopers are not clones there are normal humans clones were phased out by palpatine and they are all mostly dead by the time of the first death star do to accelerated aging
"Stormtroopers always miss main characters"
Yes of course, or the Show would be over to soon
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More likely IMO - Enterprise (any era) Phasers on their lowest settings rip the star destroyer into bite sized chunks because Star Wars shields were only designed to deflect ordinary high energy lasers and space dust. Examine the material construction of both ships and weapon yields - this isn't a complicated thing to deduce.
Could you do faction vs faction? Like the UNSC vs the republic?, I like the way you add a scenario aswell.
Canon Republic or Legends?
easy, legends wins simple because they had MUCH bigger armies to play with.
Legends Republic army numbered at about a billion at the end of the Clone Wars. =\
Legends Republic would likely win due to the bull crap numbers that are given to Turbolasers.
Even a billion is way too low btw. And those numbers weren´t canon even before Disney.
I feel that you may be severely overestimating the effectiveness of the star destroyers shields. I recently read a book named Heir to the empire in which Luke, in order to escape the gravity well of an indoctrinator class star destroyer, fired two torpedoes into it, and instantly blew up the entire gravity well sphere of the ship. And in terms of torpedo power, my main question is in Star Trek, why not use nukes in stead of photon torpedoes? The answer, at least what I believe it to be, is that the reaction of the photon torpedo is not as large as a nuclear missile, but has a more concentrated effect than the nuke. Despite me disagreeing with you, I did really enjoy this. Keep up the good work dude.
I almost forgot this, Vader would be absolutely useless in a battle with Star Trek troops. The phasers hit the target for a few seconds as they are a beam in stead of a blast, so Vader would have to hold the lightsaber in one spot for a few seconds in order to block it, in which time 3 more would hit him. We all know that Vader’s armor can block a blaster bolt, but in the next gen we also learn that a max power phaser in wide beam setting can take out 1/2 of a large science complex. I doubt any kind of body armor could block that. We don’t even know if Vader’s saber could block or reflect the phaser beam.
Well, Photon Torpedoes use Matter-Antimatter warheads, a nuke would be a step down in explosive yield.
I take issue with there being absolutely zero stormtrooper casualties. They just walked through the troopers... sure.
I actually don't have a problem with that. Phasers are usually set to stun.
Took my 1911 with me just to test their armor.... Dead stormtroopers.
the hard components of a stormtroopers armor is highly impervious to "slug throwers" as they are called in universe, (in ours we call them bullets). the underlying sock is a diffusive weave, meant to absorb incoming weapons energy and diffuse it over the entirety of the suit, which results in less deaths. hurts like hell. neat feature the Suit as a whole is hermetically sealed and protected against vacuum, a trooper can go EVA for 30 minutes before suffocating. that said, they can also go into places that are either toxic atmosphere or if there's no atmosphere at all. seal and vent a compartment anyone?
I can deduce since the Star Wars universe does have energy based stun weapons the insular sock the troopers wear as part of their armor renders them immune to such low powered attacks.
Oh and there may be 9.7k storm troopers on board, but there are also 9.2k officers and 27.8k enlisted personnel on board. Stormtroopers are not part of the regular Imperial Navy (think they are like the USMC, part of the Department, but its own Branch.) The navy has their own security forces operating on the ship and training for Naval officers and enlisted would include drills for boarders and the like. Could also be Imperial army mixed in there as well since there are groundforce projection materiel 50 different walkers, 15 troop transports. (You come out of a 3 year pan galactic war and subsequent 17-26 years of civil unrest you're going to have boarded protocols)
Great video! Just a sidenote: We know from that one TNG episode that lasers do little to no damage to the Enterprise's shields
to be fare its safe to assume "turbo lasers" are lasers in name only and not in function and operation.
The lasers on that ship were Kilowatt lasers. The Turbolaser are 33,471,999,999,999,623,000 watts or basically several quintillion times stronger. By the way canonically the most powerful ships phasers run in the gigawatts so Turbolasers are Millions of times stronger.
Um has ANYONE ELSE noticed that the Star destroyer is WEAPON LESS TO IT'S AFT. This is demonstrated in several of the video games and in movies. Have you ever seen a reverse fire arc?. So in this scenario enterprise sits behind and just fires continuously at the SD until dead.
I remember that an Imperial Executor-class dreadnought was once destroyed after a fighter crashed into the bridge.
I know a Star Destroyer is different but why doesn't Picard just fire a barge of photon or quantum torpedoes into the bridge of that Star Destroyer?
JTN 저스틴 other things were damaged on the super star destroyer like the engine's, also shields
Josh Ladouceur Generation Tech did a complete video on this explanation
+Josh Ladouceur True. If I were Picard, I would have probably saved 2-4 Quantum Torpedoes, beam them directly onboard the Star Destroyer's bridge and engine room (where the Manual Override Switch would likely be), set the torpedoes to be remotely (or timed) detonated, beam Worf & Data back to the Enterprise and detonate the Quantum torpedoes inside the Star Destroyer.
It probably won't destroy the Star Destroyer outright but it'd sure prevent (or at least make difficult) their crew from repairing the propulsion system in time, meaning that the Star Destroyer will still burn up as it falls into Earth's atmosphere, hence destroying it (since Manual Override Switch would still be destroyed by the blast and the destroyers engine would still be disabled).
I remember that Enterprise NX-01 destroyed a Borg ship in a similar way.
the executor was damaged, she had no shields, engines, tractor beams, and a very damaged reactor.
+JTN. Yes, the Executor crashed into the Death Star after the bridge crew was killed, but the ship was not destroyed, just out of action. The flames that engulfed her, were from the Death Star, not the Executor. She was not destroyed until the Death Star blew up. If the crew had regained control of the ship, she could have continued fighting, far less effectively, but she could have continued fighting.
Star Trek tech. advances every day.
Star Wars tech. is stagnant.
Interesting but the Enterprise wins this fight every single time tbh. Lasers do nothing at all to the enterprise shields as it could take all the shots from the star destroyer even with shields down. I agree with other comments saying about transporting a torpedo on to the star destroyer bridge but more likely they would either match frequency or just shoot right through the shields to hit the bridge as all weakness of the star destroyer would have been found in seconds of the encounter. Troi could block vaders force powers as well for all the people saying she could not. In summery the most likely outcome of this "battle" is that the enterprise wins within 2 mins or even less.
A few questions why can an empathy block the us of the force, how are the enterprise's shots getting through Vader's shields to hit the shield generator and why are we assuming the enterprise can doge 80% of the star destroyers fire. Then there's the computer why would it be bases on old earth code when u had to send the enterprise to the Triassic just to have the two ships meat Star Wars code should not even share the same symbols as earth code if data is going to hack it it should be one of those times when it's an impossible task that gets solved by going back to basics at the 11th hour just in time to save the ship and when the day like Star Trek normally dose. However I do love the image of Vader carving his way through an army of red shirts.
reven ice well the code would be similar due to the inherent positive or negative output of a computer if its not a quantum computer
reven ice The enterprise should have dodged 100% of the weapons fire. Phasers can penetrate those crappy shields with ease.
all wrong the moment entreprise enter tractor beam range its doomed why do you think the rebels build fast and high shield regen ship ?
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when you play battlefront with easy AI
Artificial intelligence, advanced targeting, and speed would leave the imperial star destroyer out matched. If the Enterprise so chooses it could stay behind the ISD and avoid almost all wepons.
It's fun yes, so I like the video. But, you cannot tractor a ship that still has shields (this happened in the first part I think.) Also, I like Deanna, but Vadar is a master of the force, and she couldn't stop Vadar's force powers.
You're forgetting that Vader had to learn how to use his abilities where as Deanna is naturally empathic.
I would say they would be equal in ability so her blocking out Vader's use of the Force isn't a stretch.
The only way Vader using the Force wins out is if you put the Force on the same level as the Dowud who are at a similar power level to the Q.
The Dowud being the species of the man who's plant the TNG crew come across in season 3 ep 3 The Survivors.
@@DarkLordDiablos ...and for context, that single Douwd entity eliminated 50-billion Husnock (the entire species) with a single thought because *one of them* killed his human wife. The Sith Lords could only dream of such power. 🙂
@@shawnmiller8169 Exactly. Star Wars fans have always over estimated the power if the Force because there is nothing to rival it unlike in Star Trek where there are multiple God Tier level species and entities that we can compare.
Everyone in this comment section doesn't know enough about the opposing side to make a valid argument
Indeed. Observing is fun tho.
Agreed
One of the best parts is equating Star Wars shields with Star Trek shields. Do they even work the same way? What's to say that a turbolaser round wouldn't just fly right through the Enterprise shields? You have to establish common ground and similarities before you can truly compare, yeah?
First of all, Federation shields have been improved from TOS days to where ion storms aren't even mentioned any more. Hence, shooting the ion cannons would be the same as shooting blanks. As for the laser cannons, that's Enterprise NX-01 technology. 60 of them? BFD.
Shields are designed around what they are known to absorb or deflect. With plasma or energy weapons (shields) or space debris (navigational deflectors), there's a certain amount of energy that's fed back into the shield (or deflector) generators that needs to be accounted for. The biggest downfall of this technology is surge protection and overload. That's how the Scimitar was able to overwhelm Enterprise's shields in battle. But technology that's not even at the level of NCC-1701, no bloody A,B,C orrrrrrrr D, wouldn't phase the shield generators of the E-model any more than 1,000 mosquitos would phase a windshield if they didn't hit the same exact spot at the same moment... Splattered all over the windshield, or over the expanse of the Big E's hulls and nacelles, I doubt if even one phase generator would be affected. All you get is a stain on the windshield. Enterprise, no questions. Data would know within 30 seconds about the shield generators above the star destroyer's bridge. A quantum torpedo to each one and beam a torpedo into the fusion generator of the destroyer. 32 second battle, no casualties or damage to the Federation's flagship.
And that's assuming the Empire had accidentally created shields that could resist a transporter beam in the first place.
Star Destroyers are instruments of brute force and intimidation... They're no match for a vessel created to win over Borg and the Dominion.
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I'm more of a Star Trek fan then Star Wars. Full impulse is 1/4 the speed of light. First the Enterprise would run circles around the Star Destroyer. Star Destroyers from what I've seen rely more on volume of fire then precision strikes. The Enterprise would just hit full impulse, go into standoff range and use it's phasers at long range. It's like a modern battletank vs a WWII battletank. It can shoot on the move at long range and hit it's target. Whereas the WW II battletank is limited in that capacity. The Star Destroyer could never close the distance. Reference the ramming speed...1/4 the speed of light impact has massive amounts of kinetic energy. I don't think either ship would survive an impact at that speed. The only thing is that at that distance the Enterprise couldn't get up to that much speed before the collsion. I don't think it would even get too that point because I'm of the opinion that Star Trek weapons and Shields are far superior to Star Wars. Of course either side will say the Canon from the novels etc...etc....there are inconsistencies on both sides on how powerful the tech is....Star Trek is much more consistent though.
jafo1701 thank you for the great points, so annoyed ppl dont consider the difference in speed
jafo1701 I don't think anyone knows the true speed of a star destroyer. Remember that these ships are easily capable of keeping up with easily some of the fastest ships in the star wars franchise.
That's FTL Channel, at Sublight the speeds are no where near as fast as Star Trek. I'm a fanboy of both series and I gotta admit Star Wars doesn't even come close to the level of technology that Star Trek has.
I've got to correct you on one thing Jafo, maximum impulse is at least 2/3rds the speed of light [ENT Doctor's Orders].
Turns out Star Trek: Enterprise was good for something. It also gave hard firepower figures and easy to calculate figures.
RedShirt047 from what I read the reason why they limit full impulse to 1/4 the speed of light is because any faster and time dilation starts to come into play....I'm sure in case of emergency they can override the limiter though.
Star Trek is too cerebral/complex for most star wars fan people.
Ummmm... I don’t think the stormtroopers would miss all the fire on the main character because partially the reason why they missed is because Vader and Palpaine instructed them not to kill them because Palpatine wanted Luke to join the dark side, if not, kill him himself. So I don’t really think that it’s fair on that part.
Well all you people raging about the video at least it wasn't who would win in a war. That would dumb and pointless just like all the plot holes in this story, like that storm troopers can't hit the main characters well look at rouge 1 they seemed to hit that droid pretty well or did he fake his death?
Also "The Final Showdown" they called it. It was a draw so not many got mad at it besides the people who know that the story was just a bunch of random stuff.
brady cadek some nerds counted and ST are 27% accurate. Probably due to the lousy field of view from those helmets which would make you turn your entire body to track and fire on a target.
Vader: Yes! no high ground in space!
Completely disagree. The Enterprise can fight from warp. The SD cannot. The Enterprise makes repeated light speed passes on the SD without taking a scratch. The SD either runs to hyperspace to escape or gets destroyed.
transport a torpedo onto the bridge of the star destroyer or the weapons storage or engine room, in any event it's game over for star wars.
Still, what Troi did to counter Vader's Force Choke is completely ridiculous. They have 2 completely different powers, and her telepathic powers can in no way stop the fysical strangling that Picard is receiving.
Finarfin Noldor Yeah blame Generation tech for that it's so out landish it is unbelievable.
Militaristics Star trek vs SW would be like us humans going to war against a nation many millions of years more advanced than us and have a higher understanding of the universe.
Hate to tell you but but its either surrender or die. Plus this is the sith we're talking about, they will take some pretty drastic measures to win.
If it were the republic they were fighting though.
a simple virus is a million years of evolution behind a human yet AIDS and EBOLA have no problem killing people all the time, the borg are that virus, just 1 borg can infect any ship inc the death star
Yeah that would end pretty fast with a releasing of the technobeast plague. Bye bye borg.
You missed a golden opportunity, you could have had the Star Destroyer crashing into Earth is what caused the extinction of the dinosaurs
Aikuchi exactly what I thought. With Vader making an escape by personal vessel.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA fucking perfect! 😂😂
woah that would explain why there extinct
I enjoyed this quite abit. You've earned yourself a new subscriber. I look forward to seeing more of your work. Well done :)
Once the destroyers shields failed. (If that were even necessary.) beam out the primary reactor core and barrage the bridge with photon torps.
End of game
Hell, beam the primary reactor core to the ISS's bridge or just beam the bridge crew including Vader into space.
They used their last torpedos to bring down the shields.
Do the UNSC frigate vs. a star destroyer.
Chad Wiliams bye bye frigate
a frigate? too small. my first instinct would be star destroyer vs infinity, but that too would be a one sided battle with the infinity obliterating the star destroyer. infinity vs super star destroyer might be interesting, but i think that has already been done.
Nathan Lang it has and the infinity got it's ass kicked in so hard I makes rock hard pornstars soft
Well how about a Covenant corvette with a full fleet of phantoms and banshees?
Fire MAC rounds
I feel like the best comparison to make here would be to equate it to a battle between a WWII Iowa Class battleship and a modern Zumwalt Class destroyer.
One is massive and packs a huge punch and is meant to pound the enemy with massive firepower yet is slow and relies on more primitive means of targeting and navigation.
The other is a smaller ship with weaker armor comparatively, but is faster and much more versatile with automated targeting systems and a much longer range as far as detection and engagement.
Could be a close call depending on crew but I doubt it. Just my 2c
Even Scott Bacula's Enterprise would made short work of the star destroyer 😂
I mean, Star Trek ships are just more powerful. A full spread of quantum torpedoes would ruin the Empire's day.
To me, I'm a fan of both. It's SI FI... But if I were to go in the argument, here's what I'm seeing from each one. Whether or not SW is using Lasers or Plasma, ST has dealt with it a century before and can combat it with ease. From Balance of Terror to Vegr (which threw far more high energy Plasma at the Enterprise than the SD's could muster up using every turbo laser at once) and yet we are talking about a century before the Enterprise E. If you are talking about Lasers, I like to refer you to a quote from Picard "They can fire their Lasers until they run dry and they wouldn't do a thing to this ship." Now people like to point to Q Who where the Borg used a laser to cut into the haul of the ship, but I must remind people that the Borg brought down the shield before using the laser cutter.
@Komandor Cliff seriously? You're going to use the explosion of the nuclear weapon as proof of what? The shockwave jolted the ship, as it would with any ship in any universe, and the shields held back most of the radiation. But the ship wasn't destroyed, and they took the time to play dead to fool the Romulans.
Now we are also talking about a time where a member of his crew had family members who fought in the war with the Romulans. A war that was fought with nuclear weapons. That means they weren't far from that time, and yet the ship was still able to survive the blast.
Now, I only pointed it out to show that the Federation was introduced to plasma weapons long before the next generation. By the time the next generation, most all of the civilizations had dropped Plasma weapons, probably because everyone had adapted their shields to defend against them. I also pointed out that Vger was using plasma weapons that were incalculable and dissolved an entire space station in one shot and a entire Klingon Battle Cruiser. Yet, the shields of the Enterprise held it off long enough for them to communicate with Vger.
My point is, you can call their weapons lasers or plasma weapons, either way, the Federation has already seen it and built up a defense against it. On top of the maneuvering ability, long range scanners, computer targeting systems, multi targeting, the ability to fire in all directions at once and a huge weakness of having the SD's shield generators completely exposed where are small one man fighter is able to take it out, all the Enterprise has to do is knock the shield generators, stay behind the SD and in no time at all the SD will be no more.
@Komandor Cliff on that note, since you seem to knit pick both I guess. IT'S SCIENCE FICTION KEY WORD "FICTION " we are discussing a fictional cinematic situation where the two would combat each other on the basis of fiction. If you want to discuss whether or not it's even possible to have that fight, that's a completely different subject. And I'll be more than happy to discuss it with you. But on this post, we are having fun with the fictional aspects of the two films.
@Komandor Cliff now on the subject of physics, it took me only a couple of seconds to look up whether an exploding nuclear bomb would cause a shockwave and according to scientists at the NASA SPACE LABORATORY, would not have the same intensity, but a shockwave wave would be created. It would also not have the same effect, or distance, but if a vessel is close enough, it could damage it. In the Star Trek episode, it was at point blank range when it was detonated. At that range, according to the scientists, it could destroy a vessel. But it didn't destroy the Enterprise. So, back at you, learn something.
@Komandor Cliff now this will be my last post on this subject with you, stop being a downer. We're having fun with the discussion and we don't need people to come around being nasty or rude. If you don't like the subject matter, move on. You were the original person that brought up the nuclear bomb, not I. All I was pointing out is that little fact that the Federation had been exposed to plasma weapons before.
The one thing no one ever takes into account when matching star wars vs star trek, is the range of the respective weapons. For example, the SSD's turbo lasers have an effective range of 5000 kilometers. But the enterprise's phasers have a range of 300,000 kilometers and a torpedo range of 2.5 million kilometers. In short, a star trek ship would just fall back and pound the ssd into scrap from well outside it's engagement range.
Dude idk. Vader is a mad man he even flew his tie fighter threw a rebel ship just so he could get inside.
I feel with Vader in the mix the enterprise would stand no chance.
Q would probably would not allow that.