I disagree with half of what he said, it is an outdated review , I have it and I love it , best VR you can get, you can even have 4 base station in each corner making tracking precise and room area up to 10 x10 meters
Snazzy Labs hey why is it that the Samsung Odyssey which is half the price right now not getting more spot light? The headsets are basically the same ( tracking of course different) and the Samsung one comes with the complete set up. That is also 100 dollars less than the orginal vive is currently too. Ah keep making great videos!
Because the tracking is lackluster by comparison and you have to run Windows software underneath everything you play (on SteamVR) which hurts performance. Despite saying all that it is probably not going to disappoint a new user though.
NobleBrutus there is a lot of things that need to happen to run the vive properly too that hurts performance just like how on the rift it opens oculus every time. Also the windows house is not running in the background only the software that turns on the device. There is nothing showing except the vr start screen. It is when you go into the house does it effects you. You can launch games through the steam game library. So you don't even need to enter the house UI. Tracking was a bother for the rift too I needed a third camera if i wanted to turn around to attack what's behind me. I'm sure the room scale for the vive can be difficult to keep set up. My inside out tracking 97% of the time is accurate and has no tracking issues. So in the small apartment I am in I can just put on my headset and play vr. With only one cable needed from me to my computer. The windows mixed reality platform is still very new and there are bugs. It's easier to deal with the 1400x1400 per eye in my HP than the 1080x1200 in the rift or the vive. I need more pixels to adapt to my weird eyes.
Having not tried it I am repeating only what I have heard so I am very glad it works well for you! I don't know what 'needs to happen' to affect Vive performance though? Vive room tracking is obviously more effort, though notably still only one cable goes to the computer. The level people want to go to to get the slightly better experience obviously varies.
Just a quick feedback from a professional arcade: The headstrap lasted 2 weeks before the nob was worn out. The first time the headset dropped (yes it does occur in a arcade) the forward&back mechanism was broken, second drop the complete headset was broken. generell feel is no quality. we reverted back to the original vive. This is in Fusion Arena Zurich.
Maybe some rubber padded floors in the playarea might help preserve your investment (and possibly some broken bones) in that unlikely event someone should fall or drop the unit. And as for the strap knob, well, I totally fee ya there.
3 months late but another professional arcade here. No issues beyond mics just simply ceasing to work for seemingly no reason. Sorry to hear that you guys didn't get a lot of good use out of them and if you're ever in Orlando stop by VR Territory, love to talk shop with you.
Punderino Well pia isn't as easy as tunnelbear but heavy multiplatform, fast, cheap and allows the use of torrents. I only found out that the pirate bay was blocked by my isp (not by choice it was a court order) by reading the news.
Any reviewer worth their salt won't let something being free affect their review. And Linus isn't stupid, he knows he has the power here. This is one of the biggest tech channels on youtube, after all.
and for how much they stole from Oculus as well... like the headband and headphone bilateral movement. Unfortunately the one thing they should really try to mimic is the analog stick on the controllers which would allow walk and not teleport in VR games. What a bunch of idiots.
They work*, but the analog is much better imho, Maybe per game but in games like Onward simply laying your thumb on your D-pad will cause your character to move, often unintentionally. I prefer something more tangible.
@@HabitsRabbits The only issue right now about the Index is the 8 weeks waiting list per order iirc. so you might need to wait years to get a couple of them while you can get the same amount of Vive within a few weeks
With the pressure on your nose and the movement in game It sounds like you haven't adjusted the top strap correctly. I was having issues with mine until I realized the top strap plays a much bigger role on the Vive Pro than it did the OG Vive. Now I find it SIGNIFICANTLY more comfortable than my old Vive.
Fonduman it says it in the big getting started page that comes in the package. I'm guessing he assumed it was the same as his old Vive. Same as I did. The instructions were very clear, some people just neglect them.
You really think Linus reads instructions? Surely if there's that much of a difference, they'd had advertised it better; especially since original vive users probably aren't going to want to read the instructions for a second time for basically the same product. Printing "even more customisability for better comfort" or something would maybe make people look into it.
Why would you think that a generation 1 product releasing a 'Pro' version would be a game changer? If anything, the Vive 2 would be a theoretical game changer.
How does that make any sense? I'm personally waiting for this tech to be more refined before buying, and I thought this might be the version to start with but its just the headset so like many ppl similar to myself this is a terrible product if you were looking to get your first VR set up. Take the ps4 pro it still came with a fucking remote not just the console because they assume that you already had the old one.
longbowdt : I'm not upgrading until GPU prices come down (only got a 970) & the wireless adapter is out. The standard Vive is still pretty good for what it is.
I really lucked out on buying the Zotac 1080 mini for $499.00 a week later it was $800.00. But prices are starting to drop now, finally, but still a bit higher than "normal". Blame Bitcoin speculation.
After using the Vive pro at someone else's house, these are my impressions. I have an oculus rift cv1 and quest. I personally love the strap design. The visual quality is great. The refresh rate is high. I don't like the wands but this can be fixed with knuckles. I have also tried a valve index and I'd say they have a very similar level of comfort.
I was looking into the vive pro... But man, the entire setup on the original is $499. That's the unit, controllers and sensors. Compared to the $1200 for the pro. I mean, is it that big of an improvement? I want to jump into VR and have the best unit I can (reasonably) but that's a huge jump.
It's less that these are an improvement and more that they cut the prices of the old versions in half once they moved on because they want as many people invested in VR as they can manage to increase the buyer pool, but without taking too significant a hit to their profits. The biggest downside to VR dev is the extremely small amount of people who would be able to use the product even if it was the best experience on the planet. This means fewer companies can take the risk of developing for VR which means a smaller chance of good content, which means fewer reasons to bother with the VR at all. So cutting the price of the old version by as much as they can manage makes a sort of sense there.
I have the windows mixed reality headset which is like 300 I think it's great, it has no sensors as they are all built in and you still have full room scale. I have played pretty much all the good games on vr and they all work great. You can even play htc vive and oculus games because it has an analogue stick and a touch pad. Not to mention it's 1440p and a lot clearer than the oculus and vive. I would recommend the Samsung version as it has an even higher resolution and an oled screen
The Doc no way I had no idea that works! I got mine with a gaming pc on sale, I then sold the gaming pc and made £50 and got the headset and some games. (Pricing mistake at maplin)
Paul Karyakos not trolling or anything but honestly i prefer the Oculus, my cousin has a vive but i HATE the Vive controllers. Oculus Touch is waaay better.
The people who made or help making this video captions maybe wanted to do that :/ (Now dont go to me saying "ITS UA-cam" acting like an idiot, it will say (auto generated) if its youtube)
CONGRATS LINUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In ALL MY YEARS ON UA-cam EVER(I had the internet the day my ISP offered it) I have NEVER wanted to buy, or remotely been interested in a single ad I have ever seen, until now. That case is just the sort of insanity I want for my next build, so thanks for the shameless plug guys!
HTC have already announced a wireless add-on they're releasing this year. www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/news/hacking-maker/hands-on-htc-vive-pro/ Scroll half way down the page to the wireless segment. The Impossible just became possible.
Mathew S imagine how much heavier it'll be with a giant Li-ion battery on it. Unless they come out with new lighter battery technology, I'm ok with cables for now
You simply dont put an li-ion battery ontop of the head, like none of the already comercially available wireless sollutions do. Let it be the third-party tpcast wireless kit or the first-party htc (displaylink/intel) one, the battery pack is located on your hip via strap or in your pocket. You obviously dont want to add any unnessesary and more importantly unbalanced weight to the head, thus integraded batteries, which only would come with drawbacks anyway, arent used in any of those.
It's funny that 4 years later, the Vive Pro is still one of the best headsets out there. It's got the same resolution as an index with a comparable Field of View, but uses OLED displays.
I work at a small local owned arcade. Its very reminiscent of old school arcades, and not the ticket pushers of today. We also have a VR room where we allow customers to use our HTC Vive, but we are not planning on getting the Pro any time soon. For similar reasons mentioned in the video, and a few more. (And as i read in some comments, we use sanitizer wipes and replaceable head pads to help with the germ issue)
Upgraded to the Pro this weekend, and absolutely loving it. The resolution improvement alone makes VR fun again, but the fact it's more comfortable and easier to get on and off is what'll have me firing the Vive up more often now. Only complaint is the headphones, they are tinny and cheap. But overall, if you can afford it, I'd recommend the upgrade.
After nearly a year with the vive Pro full 2.0 kit, I'll say it was one of the best decisions I made, it seems perfectly adapted to my head, didn't hurt my nose and feels ten times better than the original Vive.
Great video I was considering buying a vive but I wasn't sure if I should get a vive pro. This made things very clear. Thank you you saved me a lot of money, also the disappointment of opening the box only to find no markers or controllers, certainly wouldnt be a good day. Thanks for the help in the video and keep making cool videos.
Its the optics that cause blurry messes and other undesirable glow effects in particular the Fresnel lenses introduce a lot of distortions but at the same time using non-Fresnel lenses would make the size/weight go way up. ua-cam.com/video/pNOGMfmti4w/v-deo.htmlm Generally though your not supposed to use them in anything with the words high resolution, low distortion, or imaging. In projection systems they typically are only seen in ultra-cheap projectors or to concentrate the light source to a smaller beam that gets cleaned up through other optical elements.
@Djinn: Do you actually have a Pro? Cause I do and it does not look like a blurry mess lol, it's quite clear, you can nearly match your real-world text scale reading. Make sure you've actually properly measured your IPD and set it on the he headset... People don't understand how important proper IPD for making the image look clear.
Invertex I know how to use Vr lol and no I just own the regular Vive and Oculus rift. But nope won't buy a pro. A Microsoft Vr headset is a better deal. Cheaper, higher resolution and has all the extras with it
Rift still sucks in my opinion. Imo VR will be in its full form once we get a headset that's completely wireless with better tracking, higher resolution and more natural controllers than the current Rift or Vive have. The new Vive with the new lighthouses and the upcoming knuckles controllers seems like it could meet these standards but that's over $1000 and not all in one package. I would consider $500 or less to be affordable.
Higher resolution and more natural controllers are definitely needed in future headsets. However, wired headsets are not at all as much of a problem as people make it out to me.... it seems that people without the headsets make more of an issue of it. I got extended cables for my Oculus (the stock ones are way too short, even for a small play area), and I completely forgot that I'm playing while wired to the PC in a huge play area. I also bought an additional sensor for the Rift for $60 and that made tracking almost perfect back in 2016, when the rift had trouble with room scale with only two sensors. Now, even if you play with two Rift sensors, you get pretty much perfect tracking. The ONLY thing Vive has on the Rift as far as tracking is being able to track in a bigger play area. Honestly, for $400, the Rift is an excellent first generation headset. It's lighter than the Vive, has more natural controllers (which take batteries instead of having to constantly be charged), and the headset is overall a lot more comfortable (mostly due to being lighter). The tracking difference is not noticeable in medium sized play areas. It will also have resale value for when you want to upgrade to a second gen headset (which the Vive Pro is definitely not). So I don't really see why you say the Rift still sucks even though it's a great example of the top tier first gen HMDs.
All first gen HMDs suck imo not just the rift. I have a Vive, I'm tired of tripping over cables and getting neck-aches from a heavy headset that's not super comfortable. Plus the tracking gets a bit off from time to time, very immersion breaking. Haven't used the rift but I've read the play area is not even room scale.
I think it's reasonable to see better hand-motion controllers, a fully wireless headset and better resolution that eliminates the screen-door effect by 2019. The inside-out tracking becoming as good as Vive lighthouses will be pretty tough but could be possible as well. So 2020 in all seems like a pretty reasonable time frame.
Interesting, I've had the Vive since it came out, and my friend picked up a Pro, which we tested last week. I personally would happily swap out my old Vive for the Pro - I could see much clearer in games, text is all readable now, games like Elite Dangerous look so much better - and along with the resolution bump, I've noticed contrast is better. I see more definition of shadows and colors seem more vibrant. It was weird to get used to the new feel, as this headset sits differently, but I had no pressure on my nose, it was all on my forehead, and back of my head. It was actually up off my nose a bit, compared to my standard Vive. I didn't like the dial in the back as much - it felt cheaper and harder to use, then the dial on my upgraded headband for the old Vive, but it worked. Overall, I have no plans to buy the Pro right now, but I may still pick it up once the wireless and updated bay stations are out in a full package. Unless another company has something that really competes with it at that time, and no, I'm not getting the Pimax (looks awful, sorry), and no, I have no interest in the Windows HMD's...once you are used to Vive tracking, anything less is just unbearable.
Yeah, heck with this thing. I'm looking to invest in a vanilla Vive after another price drop hopefully. It's inching ever closer to what would be a reasonable asking price for my budget.
The VR community is terrible anyway. Rat poison is much cheaper and it gives death virtual reality experience when you eat it. Rat poison (less than 10$) > HTC Vive Pro (700$)
If you still haven't got the Vive, your options are way more in a couple of months with a mid-gen HMD, obviously I am talking about Valve HMD, Oculus S & Vive Cosmos
It's not a "bundle", it was clearly stated at launch of being the HMD only. There is a real bundle now, both 1.0 and 2.0 tracking. Personally, I have both the Vive and the Vive Pro; Both have their merits. I personally don't use the original and I believe the extra cost for the Pro is worth it IF you've never used or don't already own the original.
I was excited for this, until I saw the prices...like wow. I'm perfectly fine playing with the original Vive until more VR headsets come out and either this one gets cheaper, or an even better one more worth the price comes out.
You don't get it: the original comment I replied to (which is now gone) was about this being targeted at the businesses Consumers buy the Vive for less cost than businesses do It's not about HTC making money, it's that businesses will have to invest more per headset that the average joe, making the product less appealing for them
Back when the Pro came out, I would pretty much agree with all the points in this video. However, after owning and using the unit both at home and at work (3D scene viewing of CAD models), I have to say that it is absolutely worth the money. It looks way better than the OG Vive (the panels), the weighting makes it more comfortable to keep on my head, and the headphones (when mated with those 3D printed clips that slide on the track and force more pressure to your ears) sound really good. If you have the money and you are wanting to stay in the SteamVR basestation space, it's a no brainer. Yes it costs a lot but I think once you start to realize that VR is a hobby, it becomes much easier to fork down the money. NONE OF US are going to make money back on selling these units so just treat it like a trip to the movies or whatnot. It's just for enjoyment.
5 years later I’m still using this headset and I’m still loving it. Nowadays you can find these things at a decent price. The durability has really held up with minor adjustments due to age and the OLED screen is still pretty nice
Honestly after a few months now ....i'm very happy with the pro (with the new lenses not the fresnel ones) i still have the original vive and if i put them on one after the other boy is there a BIG difference..... but i use my vive's for 90% in simracing where VR really comes to life.
@@glitcherific7054 Yep AC is the best out there.....BUT for LAN gaming it really sucks you need to know you way around router settings. But you can race online like i do with my 2 rigs... raceroom is very good to... and maybe ACC in februari but this is early acces so no points yet there...
@@channelvr1293 worst sim... if there is just 1 fuckin raindrop on the street, your car is feeling like on ice... DiRT Rally is the best VR Racing Sim imo!
@@Dam1XxX well ....in case of being a realistic SIM i think Iracing is the one out there.... in case of best sim implementing VR then i have to say AC is the best for VR.. but yeah just talking about true sim....Nope it's not AC or ACC .... dirt rally is awesome in VR ...
Cancelled my order, I don't want to hear, it's only a little bit better then the Oculus and more pricey.... Thanks Linus, you saved me a big disappointment.
now wait, did you say arcades? who's going to wear this thing after a thousand sweaty nerds wore it? a vr headset seems to be like a personal item to me, maybe because I'm a sweaty nerd
Late reply here, but look into covers. You can get some really good waterproof ones that wipe down easily. The default sponge gets waaay to soupy to be comfortable passing around. (Or even just for personal use IMO, taking it off and coming back in to cold sweat is eww)
HTC vive has screen covers you swap out after each session. pretty much a no brainer, they have them and its a must have for any arcade. If they don't have them, you shouldn't be going there unless you want to give your immune system a workout.
tax ... people in US tend to not to include any tax to he price of the product as each of the states have its own separate tax. here in EU where consumer goods are taxed around 20-25% we tent to name the final price with tax included. Which means our prices not only include the import fees but also pretty hefty consumer tax on top of that. And since dollar based economies tend to go $1 = €1 then add import tax then add the "added value tax" on top it easily equals those €700
*Way* too bulky! I can sort of understand the decision behind not bundling the controllers & stuff but not for $1000. I was also pretty excited about the Vive Pro but I'm happy with my Oculus.
exclusive gamer22 Not really, it's not bad at all. I am very pleased with the tracking and controllers. Though I wouldn't mind having a Vive either. I'm not biased nor do I prefer one over the other except for minor differences. All in all, I think HTC has completely flopped on this one. I will be waiting to see how the Pimax 8k turns out, I imagine they'll have fixed some of the issues Linus mentioned in this video.
So far my fav is OG Vive but what ever works for you. Yeah whenever I use it the first thing I can think to upgrade would be less weight and bulk not more. I don't think this is made for me unfortunately.
exclusive gamer22 I tried Oculus roomscale and Vive roomscale before I made my purchase decision.. I chose the Oculus. To say one is WAY better than the other is pure fanboyism. It really just comes down to what feels better on your head.. and we all have differently shapped heads. (I also just didn't like the wand controllers)
i would suggest sell that pos. there are WAY better headsets out there that don't force you to get an account on a literal stalker site full of Karen Moms and Flat Earthers!
Linus is really true for this one. I currently work at a VR arcade and development company. Recently team bought 2 X Vive Pro and 2.0 sets for development purposes. I originally planned to switch my Vive w DAS to the Vive Pro and didn’t want to care about the “rumours” or “bad reviews”. but after trying on my company’s one, I was disappointed. The Screen Door Effect isn’t improved as much as many will think, the headset is kinda uncomfortable in that it’s not stable when performing side to side movements in frantic games (unless your head is much larger than an average user) as compared to the Vive w DAS. Not what I expected for the “PRO”, but I Guess this Vive Pro and 2.0 kit, is better for development purposes at this moment, other than which, even to the enthusiasts, I really will suggest against buying it. If you wanna go into VR, just take the Rift or Vive; and if you already own one, keep it. It’s really not worth spending a lot more money for the little improvements and flaws the Vive Pro has, also the fact it isn’t a fully consumer oriented product. Thanks to the VR company, managed to save US$800.
VR is so amazing, just watching it, does it no justice (it's like describing the most beautiful actress you saw in person with stick figure drawing). VR is the most amazing, it's sometimes even better than the real world. I'm glad I've tried VR. The emotions the same game brings is multiplied so many times. God bless, Proverbs 31
SevenDeMagnus google earth vr is also beautiful. Being able to go back to the house and streets I grew up on gave me major nostalgia. Thats when I knew VR was special and not just a gimmick.
@@TehUltimateSnake This has been my experience with Google Earth as well. Also every one of my friends that has tried it has done exactly the same thing. It can be a very emotional experience for a lot of people. Love having the VIVE and sharing it with my friends.
@@hiyodo3421 Where I live an Index isn't as choice (straight up not sold) I am more likely to get the G2 (If its ever made available) but the Pro is pretty amazing and can be made wireless
This is possibly one of the only times I have completely disagree with you. The lower resolution of the original Vive is immersion breaking. Once you have that extra resolution you don't want to go back. And I find the Vive Pro more comfortable than the vanilla Vive. The price is total BS though and I'm shocked you didn't mention the heat level. The Pro is liking going tanning compared to the original.
Immersion Breaking?? I've literally just got an original Vive and the resolution does not break the immersion for me. Yes I agree it could be better but it's still amazing tech nonetheless. Spoilt millennials these days i dunno??
Jake Black I think he says it's immersion breaking because he's so used to the higher res. However it's not as noticeable if you haven't used a vive pro, I don't think. As a regular vive user, I end up getting really immersed but I think he's just so used to a vive pro - he notices it way more.
from what i saw the oculus is what you need for 299,i noticed it goes by where you look so its capable of things like a movie where youre involved and things happen around you,keep the good stuff coming meta
István Juhász it’s made but valve a very popular brand who also made the HTC vive in collaboration with HTC, but now they are moving forward independently and designed a headset and everything by themselves, they are still gonna work with HTC tho.
István Juhász The partnership was required because Valve was not able to manufacture their own headsets in-house. So they had to rely on someone else to actually create the hardware for their Lighthouse tracking system and SteamVR software.
Back again...I did an upgrade to my original HTC vive....I did the lens mod, replaced the foam padding and WOW!!! This thing is like a new headset. I compared it to my Samsung Odyssey plus and it is more clear than that. In essence, purchasing an HTC Vive Pro is a rip off! get the original vive, do the lens replacement mod and change out the foam padding for the VR Cover (that's what it is called..it allows your yes to be closer to the lenses). There are no blind spots and you can actually move your eyes around and read text instead of moving your head....I also paired it with the wireless solution and it is now a truly great experience!!!
I like when Linus hates products and doesn’t recommend them I was just thinking about upgrading the pro I’ll just stick with my vibe I bought in December I love saving money !
Launching a PROsumer headset and trying to market it as a catch- all product, especially with Vive gen 1 getting so old, was a huge marketing fuck-up. They should have launched it alongside a cheaper consumer variant with similar specs, sans bells and whistles like the fancy re-designed strap. Add on top of that the fact you can't even get the peripherals yet, the very things that make HTC's legendary room-scale VR experience possible, and you've got the secret sauce for how to piss off your fanbase in one fell swoop. No matter which way you cut it, HTC fucked up. This is gonna cost the company in the coming months or possibly years.
Princess Luna you cant release a consumer vr yet because the technology isn't in a good state rn. The core problems of getting tired, requiring space and heavy headsets are still there
I was waiting for someone to say this as this is my main problem with VR. I have played Skyrim to death and when Vive came out, i got crazy to buy one but i pause for a min and start thinking... the last time i played game that were controler detected on ps3, i got tired after about 30 min of punching, climbing, launching, etc...and i, to my shame, stop playing the games entirely. The fact is, most people play games to relax, not to get 'in shape'. I say 'most' because there is exception of course. So to me, the main reason it don't became more popular is because we were promise 'to feel into the game' but were given 'to see yourself into the game' which is not exactly the same thing! Simply said, i don't think it is worth the money to just 'see yourself into the game'. We still need the 'FEEL' part. Do you remember the nintendo glove? How is that we don't have this with VR?....Honestly if i wanted to create 'THE' machine people would buy, i would create a half body suit that would cover your elbow, head, and mostly your entire arms with those sensitive glove. Think about that for a sec. Not only do you hold your sword and shield, but you feel the hits, bullets, lightsaber vibration in your hands, and so on... That i could pay 1000$ for.
The VR industry doesn't need more lightweight simple headsets right now. VR is still finding its place in entertainment. You don't optimize a game that's still in alpha. Adding features to this was a way to test the waters for their next product. Simplifying the design would do nothing for the future versions.
Creating a cheaper headset with the same evolutionary stats such as a lighter weight cable and more modern display tech is not much to ask. The smartphone market has also matured the OLED manufacturing chain quite a bit in the last few years, so asking for it to launch at the same price point as Gen 1 isn't much to ask, either. It's ludicrous that HTC thinks the solution to the original Vive's biggest complaint is to make the headset *even more expensive.* When the second gen Rift comes out, with these kinds of spec bumps and a marginal, if any, price hike, HTC is gonna be in some trouble.
Of course it's ludicrous, because they *don't* think it's the solution to the complaint about price. They consider it preparation for gen 2. And no, it's not much to ask for a "vive lite," but that doesn't mean it's the right direction for them to go. Efficiency comes after features are figured out.
Because this is so dissapointing, I think you should review the $400 Samsung Odyssey that has the exact same screen. Using a software solution, the odyssey can be made to work with the original Vive's base stations and controllers if you don't like the inside-out tracking and controllers it comes with. It honestly seems like the greatest value high end headset on the market atm. The odyssey actually has better picture when you consider that the Vive Pro uses the old model of lenses that cause light bleed that the Odyssey doesn't.
I've seen someone else review the Pro recently and they confirmed it had zero lightbleed for them, compared to the original that did have bleed. And is far more comfortable for long sessions than the original and steams up less. Linus probably just didn't take enough time to fiddle with fitting it to his head properly.
I didn't mention the cheaper headsets because Linus Tech Tips only cares about high end hardware and tend to avoid budget oriented versions of things. Also, the Acer version has a lower field of view than some of the other budget oriented headsets such as the Dell and Lenovo Explorer.
I think you maybe exaggerated the issue of the pressure on your nose from the headset. Dont you know thats what the strap on top of it is for? After you pull the strap back towards the rear of your head it definitely eases any pressure on your nose. My nose isnt the smallest in the world either and it worked for me. Did you even try this? I dont have any affiliation with HTC whatsoever but this VR set is very good. I am very new to the world of VR, but I have to say that you were right about the extra accessories that SHOULD have been included in the Pro package. Obviously the business market which was their prime target aren't short a quid so that issue didn't matter much to HTC. For me, the biggest issue, which I think you may not have mentioned, is the lack of wireless option. HTC still do not have their own wireless adaptor for purchase yet. This cable definitely gets in the way, so when the wireless version/adaptor comes out it will be a relief!
Yea, I doubt he spent much time adjusting it. He was bitching about it moving on his a head a little when he whips his head around, then takes it off and doesn't even need to turn the retention dial... which tells me it wasn't nearly tight enough.
Linus my boy. Never compromise your ideals for money. Your critique helps the tech industry move forward in a healthy and organic fashion. It puts expectations to the manufacturers so that they don't make compromises. That you give it to us the way it is and the fact that you don't sugar coat anything is to me very virtuous.
ya I can't figure out that comment he made about controller tracking mine track just fine and are really accurate and they have the high res screens like the pro for a shit ton cheaper
As judebox11 said, but if you are signed up for windows insider and use mixed reality for steam vr from the steam store you can even launch steam games from inside the mixed reality portal (instead of always having to launch from your pc then quit then go back to your pc)@@lukestanley820
My friend got the original Vive, which I tried, and then I got the Vive Pro (with controllers and base stations included in the bundle). No regrets on my side. It might be a bit pricey, but hey, I can afford that.
Oculus rift s- comes with controllers and sensors for (edit 399) US dollars, and a cord to connect to a pc Vive pro- only comes with headset and cord to connect to pc, no controllers, no sensors, with better display for a non-affordable 700$ Oculus-1 Vive1- Oculus quest-2
CantShootMe what. The. Fuck. Why the hell is the price that high? Is there inflation in norway or something? I live in denmark and the price is about 1200$
In Poland, it costs 1030 USD, and salaries here are not exactly like in Norway. Even the Oculus Rift, which sells in the USA for 400 USD, costs the equivalent of 600 USD locally. Pricing in Europe is so bloody annoying, and it hits countries with lower purchase power especially badly. Really doesn't help consumer adoption of VR...
Hah, try living in South America. Here in Uruguay stuff costs between 1.5 and 3 times the price in USA (with the Oculus going for around $1000) and the wages are worse than in Poland, so enjoy your not-quite-there but pretty great country.
Just got the Vive Pro bundle with wireless adapter and wireless addon. The wireless addon is REQUIRED to connect the wireless adapter to the vive pro. Anyhow I think in spite of the costs it's a HUGE improvement above anything else out there. I don't know what the Samsung Odyssey did when porting to steam VR because it's suppose to be the same specs as Vive Pro. VIVE Pro I really think it's worth the upgrade.
I have been looking at the reviews for it and so far I am going to keep my original vive because the upgrades are to expensive for a so, so experience.
3 years later, and here's hoping HTC bring something tomorrow. Still rocking my original Vive for pretty much all the reasons highlighted in this video.
"My wife loves it! [...] I'm packing it up and putting it in storage"
That's just rough.
She gets nothing!
Lol 😆 that’s hilarious
I disagree with half of what he said, it is an outdated review , I have it and I love it , best VR you can get, you can even have 4 base station in each corner making tracking precise and room area up to 10 x10 meters
@@Berndr The best vr you can get is the valve index.
@@Berndr it's a penis joke fam
HTC: sends Linus a free headset
Linus: hates on it
HTC:
Lol
HTC: *thinks about retiring*
Htc: you weren’t supposed to do that
HTC is done anyway now, after that cosmo headset bullshit
HTC: MAKE MORE HTC VIVE ORIGINALS
"not for the reasons you might expect"
Why do they always say that. I don't expect any reasons...
Haha, I feel this comment on a personal level.
*turns around looks at an empty room* “Who, me?”
Right? I’m just here because my finger slipped
0:31
I guess other people thought stuff lol.
If you don't expect any reason, then it is safe to say it. Therefore why not? ^^
Him “I hate the vive pro”
*1 second later*
Shows pc that looks like my rich friends dining table.
@Wewli I’ve seen worse, Bratty friend
I’m a VR enthusiast and the price tag to even me is absolutely bananas. HTC is being a real turd.
Snazzy Labs hey why is it that the Samsung Odyssey which is half the price right now not getting more spot light? The headsets are basically the same ( tracking of course different) and the Samsung one comes with the complete set up. That is also 100 dollars less than the orginal vive is currently too. Ah keep making great videos!
Because the tracking is lackluster by comparison and you have to run Windows software underneath everything you play (on SteamVR) which hurts performance. Despite saying all that it is probably not going to disappoint a new user though.
NobleBrutus there is a lot of things that need to happen to run the vive properly too that hurts performance just like how on the rift it opens oculus every time. Also the windows house is not running in the background only the software that turns on the device. There is nothing showing except the vr start screen. It is when you go into the house does it effects you. You can launch games through the steam game library. So you don't even need to enter the house UI. Tracking was a bother for the rift too I needed a third camera if i wanted to turn around to attack what's behind me. I'm sure the room scale for the vive can be difficult to keep set up. My inside out tracking 97% of the time is accurate and has no tracking issues. So in the small apartment I am in I can just put on my headset and play vr. With only one cable needed from me to my computer. The windows mixed reality platform is still very new and there are bugs. It's easier to deal with the 1400x1400 per eye in my HP than the 1080x1200 in the rift or the vive. I need more pixels to adapt to my weird eyes.
Snazzy love your content
Having not tried it I am repeating only what I have heard so I am very glad it works well for you! I don't know what 'needs to happen' to affect Vive performance though? Vive room tracking is obviously more effort, though notably still only one cable goes to the computer. The level people want to go to to get the slightly better experience obviously varies.
I'll take that Vive off your hands...
I'm in Africa
I would appreciate it ,but I don't have a gaming pc or console to go with it
Blackbullet 77 You could eat it though.
Lol red panda I'm not starving am bored
We don't need food we need tech
VIVE: 1
VIVE: 0
Maybe VIVE will be the tie breaker next year or the year after ?
HOKagE DATTebayO lol
😕
VIVE: 0
@@isaacellison3225 the was released not to long ago so it wasn't a thing yet
“This Vive Pro that I got for free”
“This video is sponsored by thermaltake”
ಠ_ಠ
shut up it should be obvious what's happening
@@RainyFoxUwU dumbass furfag
hella bored Wow, what an original and thoughtful insult. You must be an interesting person to talk to.
@@flesh_bag frfr
@@flesh_bag you want them to right a disstrack?
Just a quick feedback from a professional arcade: The headstrap lasted 2 weeks before the nob was worn out. The first time the headset dropped (yes it does occur in a arcade) the forward&back mechanism was broken, second drop the complete headset was broken. generell feel is no quality. we reverted back to the original vive. This is in Fusion Arena Zurich.
Jesus. Even for the recommended scenario, the Vive Pro is an expensive joke. Pretty sad.
Thank you, at the arcade I work at we've been debating constantly for weeks if to get the Pro.
Maybe some rubber padded floors in the playarea might help preserve your investment (and possibly some broken bones) in that unlikely event someone should fall or drop the unit. And as for the strap knob, well, I totally fee ya there.
3 months late but another professional arcade here. No issues beyond mics just simply ceasing to work for seemingly no reason. Sorry to hear that you guys didn't get a lot of good use out of them and if you're ever in Orlando stop by VR Territory, love to talk shop with you.
how do you rate the htc vive to the rift?
.. speaking of letdowns. Know who let me down. TUNNELBEAR! Letting customers down since 2018
What happened with tunnelbear?
but is that what disappointed H&NKinsha
most likely...its disappointing for sure
TunnelBear sucked before then though. It crashed almost every fucking session for me. Garbage.
Punderino Well pia isn't as easy as tunnelbear but heavy multiplatform, fast, cheap and allows the use of torrents. I only found out that the pirate bay was blocked by my isp (not by choice it was a court order) by reading the news.
got to give them to linus, they get shit for free but still trash it if the product calls for it. nice.
That’s nice that they are unbiased
*Faique* *khairi* PFFFFTTTT NEXT JOKE PLEASE
Any reviewer worth their salt won't let something being free affect their review. And Linus isn't stupid, he knows he has the power here. This is one of the biggest tech channels on youtube, after all.
I guess they get so much free shit from everyone that they don't care about that anymore.
He has said that in the worst case, they will simply buy the products full retail if the companies won't supply.
This is gonna look so stupid to us in 20 years, when vr is a chip planted into our brain
Not taking no mark of no man on my body. Lol.
@@Noel127 amen
contact lens
@@Noel127 indeed
@@cario3257 should have written spoiler alert...
I like how they give you it for free but your still brave enough to shit on it
Tim diersing they give it to him for feedback
No, it is to late for feedback when it is already out. They give it to him to review it, in the hope that a positive review will benefit sales.
Arne Schwarz You’re right, my bad bro
i think hes a bad reviewer, but he's entertaining
Brave?? Haha. The dude has millions of subs and he knows he can do whatever he wants. Get wok, dude.
“Canadian Pesos” lol
Jackson Hayes Uncle Ave's reach has chooched pretty far, for sure.
The empire of dirt's influence is spreading
Jackson Hayes old meme
Uncle Bumblefuck approves!
DrowsySquid75 it's barely a meme
Wow. For how little this improves things, it's crazy how much it costs.
and for how much they stole from Oculus as well... like the headband and headphone bilateral movement. Unfortunately the one thing they should really try to mimic is the analog stick on the controllers which would allow walk and not teleport in VR games.
What a bunch of idiots.
you can walk with the vive though? the touchpads function as analog sticks as well...
yes its true, but its easier with an analog, in fact much easier.
Quite false, Both works fine for movement.
They work*, but the analog is much better imho, Maybe per game but in games like Onward simply laying your thumb on your D-pad will cause your character to move, often unintentionally. I prefer something more tangible.
8:55
Valve: Allow us to introduce ourselves
consumer oriented?
@@okok-wh8rw check vive pro kit prices, then check valve index brand new prices
not much of a comparison for a 3x better kit
@@okok-wh8rw
Vive pro base kit: 1200$
Index full kit:1000$
Not quite sure what your argument is
@@HabitsRabbits
The only issue right now about the Index is the 8 weeks waiting list per order iirc.
so you might need to wait years to get a couple of them while you can get the same amount of Vive within a few weeks
@@Pac0Master True,but thats a problem with shipping and not the product themselves.
With the pressure on your nose and the movement in game It sounds like you haven't adjusted the top strap correctly. I was having issues with mine until I realized the top strap plays a much bigger role on the Vive Pro than it did the OG Vive. Now I find it SIGNIFICANTLY more comfortable than my old Vive.
Shhh.. you don't need to know what you're doing when you're popular.
you just need to sound like you do
If someone can't easily figure out how to use something optimally, that's a design flaw, not a user flaw
Fonduman it says it in the big getting started page that comes in the package. I'm guessing he assumed it was the same as his old Vive. Same as I did. The instructions were very clear, some people just neglect them.
yeah the pro is so much more comfortable. pro over the old vive any day! the weight is so good. you dont have all the weight at front anymore.
You really think Linus reads instructions? Surely if there's that much of a difference, they'd had advertised it better; especially since original vive users probably aren't going to want to read the instructions for a second time for basically the same product. Printing "even more customisability for better comfort" or something would maybe make people look into it.
HAHAHA: "this is the best vr experience available right now..."
as he stuffs it with its cable bundle back in the box
Dissapointing. I'm a rift user, but support ALL VR platforms. I was really hoping this would be a game changer
TicTwitchTeen omg hi!
Why would you think that a generation 1 product releasing a 'Pro' version would be a game changer? If anything, the Vive 2 would be a theoretical game changer.
I actually think its pretty good
I tried the pro and I do think it’s a game changer. The resolution is so much better, definitely worth it.
For what Ive heard the resolution is quite an upgrade and for that alone I envy Vive as a Rift user
Is it just me or is it triggering he didn't take off the front protectors.
Ikr
Very
So triggering!!!!! He wants to keep his headset clean!!!!!!!!!
10:12 if you work for HTC you know what to do 😂 that's why I love Linus.
Kp _rider hjihinb b0
How does that make any sense? I'm personally waiting for this tech to be more refined before buying, and I thought this might be the version to start with but its just the headset so like many ppl similar to myself this is a terrible product if you were looking to get your first VR set up. Take the ps4 pro it still came with a fucking remote not just the console because they assume that you already had the old one.
Kp _rider I
If you want VR, wait a few more months. New products to be announced soon by various companies.
YESSSSSS
Best idea ever... VR Arcade!
Bring back the 80s and mix it up, VRcade!
Andrew Lewis that exists its pretty cool... Its called new retro arcade vr and its on steam
those headsets would be a breeding ground, we'd probably create new forms of life...
Invest in lice shampoo now before the stocks soar.
those are all over my city
Its already nasty enough when one person uses headset long periods of time. :D
Boy! Sometimes the truth hurts. I was almost set to buy this thing. Thanks Linus.
i wanted to press dislike because im disappointed : (
longbowdt : I'm not upgrading until GPU prices come down (only got a 970) & the wireless adapter is out. The standard Vive is still pretty good for what it is.
I really lucked out on buying the Zotac 1080 mini for $499.00 a week later it was $800.00. But prices are starting to drop now, finally, but still a bit higher than "normal". Blame Bitcoin speculation.
After using the Vive pro at someone else's house, these are my impressions. I have an oculus rift cv1 and quest. I personally love the strap design. The visual quality is great. The refresh rate is high. I don't like the wands but this can be fixed with knuckles. I have also tried a valve index and I'd say they have a very similar level of comfort.
I was looking into the vive pro... But man, the entire setup on the original is $499. That's the unit, controllers and sensors. Compared to the $1200 for the pro.
I mean, is it that big of an improvement? I want to jump into VR and have the best unit I can (reasonably) but that's a huge jump.
It's less that these are an improvement and more that they cut the prices of the old versions in half once they moved on because they want as many people invested in VR as they can manage to increase the buyer pool, but without taking too significant a hit to their profits. The biggest downside to VR dev is the extremely small amount of people who would be able to use the product even if it was the best experience on the planet. This means fewer companies can take the risk of developing for VR which means a smaller chance of good content, which means fewer reasons to bother with the VR at all. So cutting the price of the old version by as much as they can manage makes a sort of sense there.
I have the windows mixed reality headset which is like 300 I think it's great, it has no sensors as they are all built in and you still have full room scale. I have played pretty much all the good games on vr and they all work great. You can even play htc vive and oculus games because it has an analogue stick and a touch pad. Not to mention it's 1440p and a lot clearer than the oculus and vive. I would recommend the Samsung version as it has an even higher resolution and an oled screen
The Doc no way I had no idea that works! I got mine with a gaming pc on sale, I then sold the gaming pc and made £50 and got the headset and some games. (Pricing mistake at maplin)
Paul Karyakos not trolling or anything but honestly i prefer the Oculus, my cousin has a vive but i HATE the Vive controllers. Oculus Touch is waaay better.
Paul Karyakos a
When you wear the HTC Vive pro *You totally don't look like a cyborg*
SourCan he’s fake Expressins sorry can’t spell
No you look like you've just appeared from a 80's sci fi film and are just waiting for the english-speaking space demons to arrive.
There's nothing wrong with being cyborg. Don't listen to him Mark.
Who is He? Mark Zuckerberg?
Zucc
Vive > Vive
Jonas Karlsson no It isnt
+Jonas Karlsson someone didn't get the joke.
Eh idk. I honestly think vive is better than vive.
Jonas Karlsson do you get that this joke is basically saying Vive > Vive Pro while keeping nicknames?
1:11 captions say zucc juice
The people who made or help making this video captions maybe wanted to do that :/
(Now dont go to me saying "ITS UA-cam" acting like an idiot, it will say (auto generated) if its youtube)
lmao it dose
@@Blue_Gamer-cb4dk nobody was blaming anyone...
Papa Bear THATS THE POINT
O ok
CONGRATS LINUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In ALL MY YEARS ON UA-cam EVER(I had the internet the day my ISP offered it) I have NEVER wanted to buy, or remotely been interested in a single ad I have ever seen, until now.
That case is just the sort of insanity I want for my next build, so thanks for the shameless plug guys!
Real change will be when the wireless versions come out.
impossible unless there is a hyperfast pci-e speed wireless bluetooth
HTC have already announced a wireless add-on they're releasing this year. www.digitalartsonline.co.uk/news/hacking-maker/hands-on-htc-vive-pro/
Scroll half way down the page to the wireless segment.
The Impossible just became possible.
yeah it's 60ghz wifi or some such so it's got the speed just maybe not huge range without dynamic compression.
Mathew S imagine how much heavier it'll be with a giant Li-ion battery on it. Unless they come out with new lighter battery technology, I'm ok with cables for now
You simply dont put an li-ion battery ontop of the head, like none of the already comercially available wireless sollutions do. Let it be the third-party tpcast wireless kit or the first-party htc (displaylink/intel) one, the battery pack is located on your hip via strap or in your pocket. You obviously dont want to add any unnessesary and more importantly unbalanced weight to the head, thus integraded batteries, which only would come with drawbacks anyway, arent used in any of those.
3:48 Linus forgets to take off protection stickers
ikr
Finally somebody said it I couldn't even find any comments saying that
I LIKE PASTA.
He’s prob gonna return it after the vid lol
So crazy!!!!!!!! He's keeping his headset clean!!!!!!!!
It's funny that 4 years later, the Vive Pro is still one of the best headsets out there. It's got the same resolution as an index with a comparable Field of View, but uses OLED displays.
I work at a small local owned arcade. Its very reminiscent of old school arcades, and not the ticket pushers of today. We also have a VR room where we allow customers to use our HTC Vive, but we are not planning on getting the Pro any time soon. For similar reasons mentioned in the video, and a few more. (And as i read in some comments, we use sanitizer wipes and replaceable head pads to help with the germ issue)
They want me to sell my liver in order to be able to afford this? No thanks
Justin Y. Just sell your body, make more in the long run
How about graphics cards?
You have two...
I always see you in the comments section of most videos I watch...
YES! I've seen this guy like one 20 different chanels, i think he coments on every video he watches
Upgraded to the Pro this weekend, and absolutely loving it. The resolution improvement alone makes VR fun again, but the fact it's more comfortable and easier to get on and off is what'll have me firing the Vive up more often now. Only complaint is the headphones, they are tinny and cheap. But overall, if you can afford it, I'd recommend the upgrade.
After nearly a year with the vive Pro full 2.0 kit, I'll say it was one of the best decisions I made, it seems perfectly adapted to my head, didn't hurt my nose and feels ten times better than the original Vive.
Yeah I’m using it with the wireless adapter and 2 base stations 2.0 ........big area to play and wireless VR the way God intended it to be lol
Chopper Chop same here love it so much
Great video I was considering buying a vive but I wasn't sure if I should get a vive pro. This made things very clear. Thank you you saved me a lot of money, also the disappointment of opening the box only to find no markers or controllers, certainly wouldnt be a good day. Thanks for the help in the video and keep making cool videos.
Virtual reality is useless would rather buy a 4K HDR monitor.
Perfect, I just ordered one of those.
If you have a high powered card like a 1080ti it's heaven. But I don't use my headset exclusively for vr kickboxing like Linus so what do I know
Nah not really, most VR games still look like a blurry mess with supersampling turned on.
Its the optics that cause blurry messes and other undesirable glow effects in particular the Fresnel lenses introduce a lot of distortions but at the same time using non-Fresnel lenses would make the size/weight go way up. ua-cam.com/video/pNOGMfmti4w/v-deo.htmlm
Generally though your not supposed to use them in anything with the words high resolution, low distortion, or imaging. In projection systems they typically are only seen in ultra-cheap projectors or to concentrate the light source to a smaller beam that gets cleaned up through other optical elements.
@Djinn: Do you actually have a Pro? Cause I do and it does not look like a blurry mess lol, it's quite clear, you can nearly match your real-world text scale reading.
Make sure you've actually properly measured your IPD and set it on the he headset... People don't understand how important proper IPD for making the image look clear.
Invertex I know how to use Vr lol and no I just own the regular Vive and Oculus rift. But nope won't buy a pro. A Microsoft Vr headset is a better deal. Cheaper, higher resolution and has all the extras with it
2020 will be the year of affordable VR that doesn't suck.
Rift is like $400 and doesn't suck. Affordable for who? Get a job.
Rift still sucks in my opinion. Imo VR will be in its full form once we get a headset that's completely wireless with better tracking, higher resolution and more natural controllers than the current Rift or Vive have. The new Vive with the new lighthouses and the upcoming knuckles controllers seems like it could meet these standards but that's over $1000 and not all in one package. I would consider $500 or less to be affordable.
Higher resolution and more natural controllers are definitely needed in future headsets. However, wired headsets are not at all as much of a problem as people make it out to me.... it seems that people without the headsets make more of an issue of it. I got extended cables for my Oculus (the stock ones are way too short, even for a small play area), and I completely forgot that I'm playing while wired to the PC in a huge play area.
I also bought an additional sensor for the Rift for $60 and that made tracking almost perfect back in 2016, when the rift had trouble with room scale with only two sensors. Now, even if you play with two Rift sensors, you get pretty much perfect tracking. The ONLY thing Vive has on the Rift as far as tracking is being able to track in a bigger play area.
Honestly, for $400, the Rift is an excellent first generation headset. It's lighter than the Vive, has more natural controllers (which take batteries instead of having to constantly be charged), and the headset is overall a lot more comfortable (mostly due to being lighter). The tracking difference is not noticeable in medium sized play areas. It will also have resale value for when you want to upgrade to a second gen headset (which the Vive Pro is definitely not).
So I don't really see why you say the Rift still sucks even though it's a great example of the top tier first gen HMDs.
All first gen HMDs suck imo not just the rift. I have a Vive, I'm tired of tripping over cables and getting neck-aches from a heavy headset that's not super comfortable. Plus the tracking gets a bit off from time to time, very immersion breaking. Haven't used the rift but I've read the play area is not even room scale.
I think it's reasonable to see better hand-motion controllers, a fully wireless headset and better resolution that eliminates the screen-door effect by 2019. The inside-out tracking becoming as good as Vive lighthouses will be pretty tough but could be possible as well. So 2020 in all seems like a pretty reasonable time frame.
Can't wait for, "Why does this exist... Vive Pro 2 Review"
Yikes... But it can replace Valve Index headset only tho!
Interesting, I've had the Vive since it came out, and my friend picked up a Pro, which we tested last week. I personally would happily swap out my old Vive for the Pro - I could see much clearer in games, text is all readable now, games like Elite Dangerous look so much better - and along with the resolution bump, I've noticed contrast is better. I see more definition of shadows and colors seem more vibrant.
It was weird to get used to the new feel, as this headset sits differently, but I had no pressure on my nose, it was all on my forehead, and back of my head. It was actually up off my nose a bit, compared to my standard Vive. I didn't like the dial in the back as much - it felt cheaper and harder to use, then the dial on my upgraded headband for the old Vive, but it worked.
Overall, I have no plans to buy the Pro right now, but I may still pick it up once the wireless and updated bay stations are out in a full package. Unless another company has something that really competes with it at that time, and no, I'm not getting the Pimax (looks awful, sorry), and no, I have no interest in the Windows HMD's...once you are used to Vive tracking, anything less is just unbearable.
+Legion Elite
Yes.
I know it's been a while, but did you ever pick up the Quest 2? Higher resolution than the Pro and 100% wireless inside-out tracking
@@MrJr1976 i mean inside out tracking is nice but nothing beats base station tracking
@@stickyman3786 I have been unable to tell the difference outside of tracking legs
@@MrJr1976 you can put you hands behind you without losing tracking
I should get the basic version some day
When it's not as expensive as a gpu sure lol.
DANNYonPC Just get a used one on ebay. Its worth it
Jack Wood its worth it if you have like a million dollars to spend on a vr ready graphics card haha.
Vr ready GPU is actually around $200...
Its worth it
Yeah, heck with this thing. I'm looking to invest in a vanilla Vive after another price drop hopefully. It's inching ever closer to what would be a reasonable asking price for my budget.
The VR community is terrible anyway. Rat poison is much cheaper and it gives death virtual reality experience when you eat it. Rat poison (less than 10$) > HTC Vive Pro (700$)
If you still haven't got the Vive, your options are way more in a couple of months with a mid-gen HMD, obviously I am talking about Valve HMD, Oculus S & Vive Cosmos
@@newplayer1082 i know why your name is new player because you just got out of the womb
@@stickyman3786 why are you replying to a years old comment? Are you dumb
@@newplayer1082 why are you replying to my comment then
Gonna do a review of the Valve Index?
I'd like to see some opinions of people around your office. :)
I don’t really care, can’t even buy it if I wanted to unless I want to buy a sweaty, used one from Amazon.
@@notlNSIGHT When he wrote that comment there was a huge wait time. Orders were being pushed back 8 weeks or more.
Haha, there we go. Proprietary cables, no controllers in the bundle, no base stations...
It's not a "bundle", it was clearly stated at launch of being the HMD only. There is a real bundle now, both 1.0 and 2.0 tracking. Personally, I have both the Vive and the Vive Pro; Both have their merits. I personally don't use the original and I believe the extra cost for the Pro is worth it IF you've never used or don't already own the original.
I was excited for this, until I saw the prices...like wow. I'm perfectly fine playing with the original Vive until more VR headsets come out and either this one gets cheaper, or an even better one more worth the price comes out.
Sachi Game I bought an Oculus Rift bundle a few weeks ago after they revealed this thing's price. I'm enjoying it quite a lot so far!
+jan Conner
You do know that businesses pay even MORE than consumers for the Vive?
Nightdare no they don’t haha, they make a profit, they wouldn’t make it if they were losing money
You don't get it:
the original comment I replied to (which is now gone) was about this being targeted at the businesses
Consumers buy the Vive for less cost than businesses do
It's not about HTC making money, it's that businesses will have to invest more per headset that the average joe, making the product less appealing for them
Back when the Pro came out, I would pretty much agree with all the points in this video. However, after owning and using the unit both at home and at work (3D scene viewing of CAD models), I have to say that it is absolutely worth the money. It looks way better than the OG Vive (the panels), the weighting makes it more comfortable to keep on my head, and the headphones (when mated with those 3D printed clips that slide on the track and force more pressure to your ears) sound really good. If you have the money and you are wanting to stay in the SteamVR basestation space, it's a no brainer. Yes it costs a lot but I think once you start to realize that VR is a hobby, it becomes much easier to fork down the money. NONE OF US are going to make money back on selling these units so just treat it like a trip to the movies or whatnot. It's just for enjoyment.
5 years later I’m still using this headset and I’m still loving it. Nowadays you can find these things at a decent price. The durability has really held up with minor adjustments due to age and the OLED screen is still pretty nice
Honestly after a few months now ....i'm very happy with the pro (with the new lenses not the fresnel ones) i still have the original vive and if i put them on one after the other boy is there a BIG difference..... but i use my vive's for 90% in simracing where VR really comes to life.
Channel VR is it a 700 dollar difference tho
Also, the vive pro is much overlooked with it's camera. It is really great especially if vive wont let you do roomscale!
@@glitcherific7054 Yep AC is the best out there.....BUT for LAN gaming it really sucks you need to know you way around router settings. But you can race online like i do with my 2 rigs... raceroom is very good to... and maybe ACC in februari but this is early acces so no points yet there...
@@channelvr1293 worst sim... if there is just 1 fuckin raindrop on the street, your car is feeling like on ice... DiRT Rally is the best VR Racing Sim imo!
@@Dam1XxX well ....in case of being a realistic SIM i think Iracing is the one out there.... in case of best sim implementing VR then i have to say AC is the best for VR.. but yeah just talking about true sim....Nope it's not AC or ACC .... dirt rally is awesome in VR ...
Cancelled my order, I don't want to hear, it's only a little bit better then the Oculus and more pricey....
Thanks Linus, you saved me a big disappointment.
now wait, did you say arcades?
who's going to wear this thing after a thousand sweaty nerds wore it?
a vr headset seems to be like a personal item to me, maybe because I'm a sweaty nerd
Late reply here, but look into covers. You can get some really good waterproof ones that wipe down easily. The default sponge gets waaay to soupy to be comfortable passing around. (Or even just for personal use IMO, taking it off and coming back in to cold sweat is eww)
I think he meamt arcade genre games
@@martinelebeau7776 Nope, at arcades some places have Vive HMDs in there and is costs money per 10 minutes
It's actually a thing. These vr arcades usually have tournaments which you can win stuff.
HTC vive has screen covers you swap out after each session. pretty much a no brainer, they have them and its a must have for any arcade. If they don't have them, you shouldn't be going there unless you want to give your immune system a workout.
Is it just me or does anyone else love his sponsors. I'm getting a new pc, and now I'm getting a thermal take case
why is the original still priced at 700€ in the EU ?
Marios Rouggeris its 500 dollars in us about 600€
Max1281 And here I thought euros costed more than dollars...
tax ... people in US tend to not to include any tax to he price of the product as each of the states have its own separate tax.
here in EU where consumer goods are taxed around 20-25% we tent to name the final price with tax included. Which means our prices not only include the import fees but also pretty hefty consumer tax on top of that.
And since dollar based economies tend to go $1 = €1 then add import tax then add the "added value tax" on top it easily equals those €700
500 dollars would be about 430 €
20 - 25% ? We have 19% here.
Who votes for Linus to open a vr arcade?
You mean a VR-cade?
Daniel Castillo *BADUM TSS*
Its not a bad idea though 🤔
The lasertag near my house actually did that
*Way* too bulky!
I can sort of understand the decision behind not bundling the controllers & stuff but not for $1000. I was also pretty excited about the Vive Pro but I'm happy with my Oculus.
SDG Danny oculus is awfole
Oculus is freaking great
exclusive gamer22 Not really, it's not bad at all. I am very pleased with the tracking and controllers. Though I wouldn't mind having a Vive either. I'm not biased nor do I prefer one over the other except for minor differences. All in all, I think HTC has completely flopped on this one. I will be waiting to see how the Pimax 8k turns out, I imagine they'll have fixed some of the issues Linus mentioned in this video.
So far my fav is OG Vive but what ever works for you. Yeah whenever I use it the first thing I can think to upgrade would be less weight and bulk not more. I don't think this is made for me unfortunately.
exclusive gamer22 I tried Oculus roomscale and Vive roomscale before I made my purchase decision.. I chose the Oculus. To say one is WAY better than the other is pure fanboyism. It really just comes down to what feels better on your head.. and we all have differently shapped heads. (I also just didn't like the wand controllers)
Me standing here holding an oculus quest 2 in my hands 2 years later laughing as mark zuckerberg slowly drains my souls out of me through the headset
i would suggest sell that pos. there are WAY better headsets out there that don't force you to get an account on a literal stalker site full of Karen Moms and Flat Earthers!
@@loggior.speedweed4345 and don’t forget the Facebook moms laughing at anything related to minions
Canadian rupee to Canadian peso? what a improvement.
an improvement btw.
Linus is really true for this one. I currently work at a VR arcade and development company. Recently team bought 2 X Vive Pro and 2.0 sets for development purposes.
I originally planned to switch my Vive w DAS to the Vive Pro and didn’t want to care about the “rumours” or “bad reviews”. but after trying on my company’s one, I was disappointed. The Screen Door Effect isn’t improved as much as many will think, the headset is kinda uncomfortable in that it’s not stable when performing side to side movements in frantic games (unless your head is much larger than an average user) as compared to the Vive w DAS.
Not what I expected for the “PRO”, but I Guess this Vive Pro and 2.0 kit, is better for development purposes at this moment, other than which, even to the enthusiasts, I really will suggest against buying it.
If you wanna go into VR, just take the Rift or Vive; and if you already own one, keep it. It’s really not worth spending a lot more money for the little improvements and flaws the Vive Pro has, also the fact it isn’t a fully consumer oriented product.
Thanks to the VR company, managed to save US$800.
VR is so amazing, just watching it, does it no justice (it's like describing the most beautiful actress you saw in person with stick figure drawing). VR is the most amazing, it's sometimes even better than the real world. I'm glad I've tried VR. The emotions the same game brings is multiplied so many times.
God bless, Proverbs 31
SevenDeMagnus google earth vr is also beautiful. Being able to go back to the house and streets I grew up on gave me major nostalgia. Thats when I knew VR was special and not just a gimmick.
@@TehUltimateSnake This has been my experience with Google Earth as well. Also every one of my friends that has tried it has done exactly the same thing. It can be a very emotional experience for a lot of people. Love having the VIVE and sharing it with my friends.
I bought a vive pro and love it. runs amazing. great visuals and sound. absolutely no complaints.
You could've gotten an index bruh
@@hiyodo3421 Where I live an Index isn't as choice (straight up not sold) I am more likely to get the G2 (If its ever made available) but the Pro is pretty amazing and can be made wireless
Dwarfy2k ic
This is possibly one of the only times I have completely disagree with you. The lower resolution of the original Vive is immersion breaking. Once you have that extra resolution you don't want to go back. And I find the Vive Pro more comfortable than the vanilla Vive. The price is total BS though and I'm shocked you didn't mention the heat level. The Pro is liking going tanning compared to the original.
heat level? Is that a thing on their latest release with the boxes and controllers for $1300...? maybe they fixed it now?
Immersion Breaking?? I've literally just got an original Vive and the resolution does not break the immersion for me. Yes I agree it could be better but it's still amazing tech nonetheless. Spoilt millennials these days i dunno??
Jake Black I think he says it's immersion breaking because he's so used to the higher res. However it's not as noticeable if you haven't used a vive pro, I don't think. As a regular vive user, I end up getting really immersed but I think he's just so used to a vive pro - he notices it way more.
"We've "Upgraded" the VR goggles so you can pay us again"
No vibe for this
ifUreadthisURalien no Vive for this
Getting mixed reality
from what i saw the oculus is what you need for 299,i noticed it goes by where you look so its capable of things like a movie where youre involved and things happen around you,keep the good stuff coming meta
"Nose callous" will be a more common phase. ;)
Rumor has it that a index will impress linus...
Idk what is index but I see it everywhere. I found out that it's a VR, but no idea why it's so popular though it is a no name brand for me.
István Juhász it’s made but valve a very popular brand who also made the HTC vive in collaboration with HTC, but now they are moving forward independently and designed a headset and everything by themselves, they are still gonna work with HTC tho.
@@themasterjarvis3864 what are these partnerships? I mean why do they need two company for one product?
István Juhász
The partnership was required because Valve was not able to manufacture their own headsets in-house. So they had to rely on someone else to actually create the hardware for their Lighthouse tracking system and SteamVR software.
@@Benamax ok so HTC is dead without index right?
Okay Linus, just cut the nose off!
And now all problems are solved...
Hope I could have helped you!
Back again...I did an upgrade to my original HTC vive....I did the lens mod, replaced the foam padding and WOW!!! This thing is like a new headset. I compared it to my Samsung Odyssey plus and it is more clear than that. In essence, purchasing an HTC Vive Pro is a rip off! get the original vive, do the lens replacement mod and change out the foam padding for the VR Cover (that's what it is called..it allows your yes to be closer to the lenses). There are no blind spots and you can actually move your eyes around and read text instead of moving your head....I also paired it with the wireless solution and it is now a truly great experience!!!
Bring on the OASIS!
Andrew Lewis ready player one!
VRchat
actually stop right now
The app is garbage
Bring on anything that isn't VR
So, when is the index review??
Someone's been watching AvE.
The fuck's that?
Alien vs Elves; the forest apocalypse...
As soon as I heard "1000 canadian pesos" I knew...
Those OLED thingamabobbers chooch pretty good!
Skookum as frig
you cann buy the vive pro in a bundle included the sesors and controller + the headset
Why does it seem that Linus hasn't taken off the 2 stickers for the two front cameras it's bothering me
Because no one uses the fucking camera anyway, waste of money and pointless additional weight
+Luke Wren I would have preferred it that he reviewed the cameras as well though... since they are part of the upgrade.
I like when Linus hates products and doesn’t recommend them I was just thinking about upgrading the pro I’ll just stick with my vibe I bought in December I love saving money !
at last a video that make people really saving money! lol
Having a vibe handy can be a whole lot of fun.
I actually like the pro
0zk3r12 bitch don't kill my vibe came to mind reading your comment lol.
Launching a PROsumer headset and trying to market it as a catch- all product, especially with Vive gen 1 getting so old, was a huge marketing fuck-up. They should have launched it alongside a cheaper consumer variant with similar specs, sans bells and whistles like the fancy re-designed strap. Add on top of that the fact you can't even get the peripherals yet, the very things that make HTC's legendary room-scale VR experience possible, and you've got the secret sauce for how to piss off your fanbase in one fell swoop.
No matter which way you cut it, HTC fucked up. This is gonna cost the company in the coming months or possibly years.
Princess Luna you cant release a consumer vr yet because the technology isn't in a good state rn. The core problems of getting tired, requiring space and heavy headsets are still there
I was waiting for someone to say this as this is my main problem with VR. I have played Skyrim to death and when Vive came out, i got crazy to buy one but i pause for a min and start thinking... the last time i played game that were controler detected on ps3, i got tired after about 30 min of punching, climbing, launching, etc...and i, to my shame, stop playing the games entirely.
The fact is, most people play games to relax, not to get 'in shape'. I say 'most' because there is exception of course. So to me, the main reason it don't became more popular is because we were promise 'to feel into the game' but were given 'to see yourself into the game' which is not exactly the same thing!
Simply said, i don't think it is worth the money to just 'see yourself into the game'. We still need the 'FEEL' part.
Do you remember the nintendo glove? How is that we don't have this with VR?....Honestly if i wanted to create 'THE' machine people would buy, i would create a half body suit that would cover your elbow, head, and mostly your entire arms with those sensitive glove. Think about that for a sec. Not only do you hold your sword and shield, but you feel the hits, bullets, lightsaber vibration in your hands, and so on... That i could pay 1000$ for.
The VR industry doesn't need more lightweight simple headsets right now. VR is still finding its place in entertainment. You don't optimize a game that's still in alpha. Adding features to this was a way to test the waters for their next product. Simplifying the design would do nothing for the future versions.
Creating a cheaper headset with the same evolutionary stats such as a lighter weight cable and more modern display tech is not much to ask. The smartphone market has also matured the OLED manufacturing chain quite a bit in the last few years, so asking for it to launch at the same price point as Gen 1 isn't much to ask, either. It's ludicrous that HTC thinks the solution to the original Vive's biggest complaint is to make the headset *even more expensive.*
When the second gen Rift comes out, with these kinds of spec bumps and a marginal, if any, price hike, HTC is gonna be in some trouble.
Of course it's ludicrous, because they *don't* think it's the solution to the complaint about price. They consider it preparation for gen 2. And no, it's not much to ask for a "vive lite," but that doesn't mean it's the right direction for them to go. Efficiency comes after features are figured out.
Me: watches linus tech tips vid
ad: sees ad with da main man boi
Because this is so dissapointing, I think you should review the $400 Samsung Odyssey that has the exact same screen. Using a software solution, the odyssey can be made to work with the original Vive's base stations and controllers if you don't like the inside-out tracking and controllers it comes with. It honestly seems like the greatest value high end headset on the market atm. The odyssey actually has better picture when you consider that the Vive Pro uses the old model of lenses that cause light bleed that the Odyssey doesn't.
CyberianFaux can you send a link regarding the base station software? I cannot find anything about that on google
I've seen someone else review the Pro recently and they confirmed it had zero lightbleed for them, compared to the original that did have bleed. And is far more comfortable for long sessions than the original and steams up less. Linus probably just didn't take enough time to fiddle with fitting it to his head properly.
CyberianFaux the acer version is 215 and it works just as good as this
I didn't mention the cheaper headsets because Linus Tech Tips only cares about high end hardware and tend to avoid budget oriented versions of things. Also, the Acer version has a lower field of view than some of the other budget oriented headsets such as the Dell and Lenovo Explorer.
CyberianFaux true ! I have a Lenovo Explorer and its amazing and cheap 250$
You should review the Oculus Quest
definitely
@@jimmorrison348 He already has
@@ExclamationMarx at the time of the comment he hadn't
I’m getting a quest February 1st YAY
@@bradyhansgaming3476 congratulations, feb 1 is today, hope you are enjoying and im getting one before feb 17
I think you maybe exaggerated the issue of the pressure on your nose from the headset. Dont you know thats what the strap on top of it is for? After you pull the strap back towards the rear of your head it definitely eases any pressure on your nose. My nose isnt the smallest in the world either and it worked for me. Did you even try this?
I dont have any affiliation with HTC whatsoever but this VR set is very good. I am very new to the world of VR, but I have to say that you were right about the extra accessories that SHOULD have been included in the Pro package. Obviously the business market which was their prime target aren't short a quid so that issue didn't matter much to HTC.
For me, the biggest issue, which I think you may not have mentioned, is the lack of wireless option. HTC still do not have their own wireless adaptor for purchase yet. This cable definitely gets in the way, so when the wireless version/adaptor comes out it will be a relief!
Yea, I doubt he spent much time adjusting it. He was bitching about it moving on his a head a little when he whips his head around, then takes it off and doesn't even need to turn the retention dial... which tells me it wasn't nearly tight enough.
Linus my boy. Never compromise your ideals for money. Your critique helps the tech industry move forward in a healthy and organic fashion. It puts expectations to the manufacturers so that they don't make compromises. That you give it to us the way it is and the fact that you don't sugar coat anything is to me very virtuous.
Yeah nah, i'm just gonna keep using my $190 windows mixed reality headset that came with controllers included
ya I can't figure out that comment he made about controller tracking mine track just fine and are really accurate and they have the high res screens like the pro for a shit ton cheaper
Paid 150 bucks for a new Lenovo Explorer and I love it
Just a question can it still play all the same games as oculus and HTC?
Luke Stanley pretty much since you can use steam vr with it now
As judebox11 said, but if you are signed up for windows insider and use mixed reality for steam vr from the steam store you can even launch steam games from inside the mixed reality portal (instead of always having to launch from your pc then quit then go back to your pc)@@lukestanley820
It's funny that I actually found one of these in an arcade!
Linus Tech Tips
Hey, if you aren't using the vive pro, I can take it😂😂
wow that was super funny laugh emoji........
My friend got the original Vive, which I tried, and then I got the Vive Pro (with controllers and base stations included in the bundle). No regrets on my side. It might be a bit pricey, but hey, I can afford that.
HTC vive pro...because you will pay anything to prove you hate Facebook more than your other friends.
well I don't know about you but that sounds like a great competition to have.
I'd do it just for that
i hate facebook as much as the next anonmous internet user but until they start trying to zucc my oculus account rift is good enough for me
That's so true smh
You Canadians finally switched over to the Pesos system, eh?
Yeah
It's okay, dude.. maybe next time :)
Imagine the Vive Pro put together with the Oculus Quest!
Mythical Fred 👀
There's a pro 2 now. I'd like to see what he thinks about that
wait, you need a 1000$ PC to use this and then pay over 1000$ for the VR headset? Well thanks, I stick to a monitor
maybe in 3 years this things get affordable
you can get Oculus headset with full setup for $350. They are already very affordable
the original vive also got a priced drop, and primax is soon on the way aswell. ignore this pro one
+Sebastian E I think if you're willing to put 1k into your vr headset, you'll probably build a pc that runs more than that.
L Rom my pc cost €1100,- and it's only a gtx 1060..
hah
And here's me using Google cardboard with a leap controller, welp
Oculus rift s- comes with controllers and sensors for (edit 399) US dollars, and a cord to connect to a pc
Vive pro- only comes with headset and cord to connect to pc, no controllers, no sensors, with better display for a non-affordable 700$
Oculus-1
Vive1-
Oculus quest-2
Wait, the rift s has built in tracking....
I love Vr Myself. It’s a great tool to escape for a while
RIP Tunnelbear
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It costs $1900 in Norway. :(
CantShootMe what. The. Fuck. Why the hell is the price that high? Is there inflation in norway or something? I live in denmark and the price is about 1200$
In Poland, it costs 1030 USD, and salaries here are not exactly like in Norway. Even the Oculus Rift, which sells in the USA for 400 USD, costs the equivalent of 600 USD locally. Pricing in Europe is so bloody annoying, and it hits countries with lower purchase power especially badly. Really doesn't help consumer adoption of VR...
Hah, try living in South America. Here in Uruguay stuff costs between 1.5 and 3 times the price in USA (with the Oculus going for around $1000) and the wages are worse than in Poland, so enjoy your not-quite-there but pretty great country.
Norway Minimum wage is 16 dollars. Almost twice as much as the US.
Same here in Ukraine (well, sort of; some stores are selling it for $1000-1400, but others tend to overprice the product).
Just got the Vive Pro bundle with wireless adapter and wireless addon. The wireless addon is REQUIRED to connect the wireless adapter to the vive pro. Anyhow I think in spite of the costs it's a HUGE improvement above anything else out there. I don't know what the Samsung Odyssey did when porting to steam VR because it's suppose to be the same specs as Vive Pro. VIVE Pro I really think it's worth the upgrade.
If he wasnt happy about this one then i would like to see him review the Vive pro 2 haha
I have been looking at the reviews for it and so far I am going to keep my original vive because the upgrades are to expensive for a so, so experience.
Buy this HMD by itself. SAVE your original 1.0 base stations. It uses them just fine and resolution is far greater, very unnoticeable screen-door.
Get index
Who needs to have ads in a video when the guy doing the video does lots of ads in the video!
3 years later, and here's hoping HTC bring something tomorrow. Still rocking my original Vive for pretty much all the reasons highlighted in this video.
Whelp, htc disappointed again
@@WibblyWobblyChannel Meh, I guess it’s all subjective. I’m happy and pre-ordered.