Why is it that no commentators mention that the NC legislature has passed a law stating that neither UNC nor N C State can leave the ACC unless the other goes with them. Remember, these are public universities and part of the Greater University of North Carolina system. Also, the legislature has traditionally been controlled by eastern NC, which is NC State's main fan and student base.
My understanding was the bill was just scheduling requirements between UNC/NCSU and ECU, App State and Charlotte. What you’re insinuating here isn’t actually correct
One important point that needs to be said: SMU is going to be making more in the ACC from CFP payout alone ($13M) than they would in the AAC with CFP payout ($2M) + media money.($7M). SMU doesn't need any ESPN money to make more in the ACC than they did in the AAC. The same can be said for Tulane, USF, Memphis.
Good point…SMU doesn’t need it but good call on Memphis, USF, Tulane I think the ACC has to lose more than 3-4 teams before they look to expand and then it depends on how many landing spots are available for teams beyond that 3-4
@@CollegeUnderdogsI think and from what I’ve read and heard and seen from podcasts and videos that either UTSA or Rice or both along with Army and Navy as full members not just football members are strong potential candidates and could be nabbed by the ACC, depending upon how many leave the ACC. It’s why many channels and podcasts and other sports media platforms have suggested that the new ACC will be a much better version of the old AAC with vastly better depth in all sports and not just football. There could be some significant truth to that. If more than three schools leave the AAC for whomever and wherever, the conference could be considered in jeopardy.
@@michaelwall3393Rice maybe cause Stanford and Cal vouches for them and has a big endowment as Standford and Cal. Plus there looking into building a new stadium. Wouldn't be surprised Temple looking at the ACC to.
There are two schools that should be in the conversation for the ACC in the future! Liberty University and Appalachian State. No other G5 school has had more successful involvement with the ACC than liberty University in recent years. Look deeper into how often they are successfully playing ACC schools in baseball, volleyball, soccer, track, and field, and so on. Liberty University fits the ACC logistically, as well as in overall culture, and they have the most amazing P4 level facilities! Liberty University should always be in the conversation.
The third scenario with the ACC you mentioned is interesting, particularly concerning what the Big 12 does on the offensive. Pitt, Louisville etc. would probably be great fits over there, and surely Yormark would take an opportunity to snatch the best brands if the opportunity arises
Memphis used to be in a conference with Florida State, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Louisville, UConn, Houston, UCF, etc. etc. etc. They're not going to end up with Rice. No way in hell.
Offer the argument that Louisville, V-Tech, NC State, along with FSU, Clemson, and UNC leave. The first three go to the B12. The second three go SEC/B10. Then the G5 musical chairs begin. One spot is open in the B12. The ACC need several teams to get to 15 teams to satisfy ESPN for their current contract. They have to have 15 teams. It will change, but it will be more money and prestige than the AAC.
That is assuming that the contract will exist if they lose 3+ members. That said I agree that if the ACC expands again Memphis will be at the top of the list, though OSU and Wazzu might be higher.
No ACC team is paying the giant exit fees to go the Big12 and make the same amount of money. Only teams that have a Big10 or SEC deal on the table will leave. I suspect that narrows the list down to Florida State and Clemson (and maybe Miami). No one else is a big enough football brand. They won't be easily replaced, but plenty of top tier G5 teams would want in (Memphis, Tulane, Boise State, etc.) If the Big12 is still stable after losing Oklahoma and Texas, the ACC will survive losing Clemson and FSU.
These court cases aren’t going to be resolved in time for the ESPN look in, and the ACC tv deal is already undervalued with the teams in the league today. Without FSU and Clemson it would still be correctly valued right now as it is..
Bingo. With FSU and Clemson the ACC is better than the Big12, and making roughly the same money. Without FSU and Clemson they drop to the Big12 level (who just lost Oklahoma and Texas, the same kind of impact.)
I think I interpreted his view on the cap differently that you did. It's already being discussed that the P4 schools are looking at a max $22M cap due to the House v. NCAA lawsuit. He says _"I think some institutions in our conference are resourced in different ways than others. What we want to try to avoid is creating competition and gaps in our own league."_ I take that as the P4 schools having a cap of say that $22M, but AAC having a cap of $5M as an example. Schools like Memphis and USF might very easily go over that $5M. It sounds like he wants to avoid a situation where some schools in the AAC for example are sharing $15M while others are at $3M.
That's exactly what he wants to do and that's not going to fly. At that point, he's neutering the best schools in the conference to keep them from leaving, which means no school for the AAC would ever be good enough to even get the AQ spot in the CFP. He's an idiot.
People talk a lot about the ACC falling like the PAC like 15 isn’t 7 more than 8. Good luck tearing down a league with that many members left after the big boys leave.
This last option about schools having to pay money with none in return for awhile, would a USF, Tulane, Memphis, etc take a deal like SMU? I don't think two, if not all, couldn't afford it. Nonetheless, out know who could? A Liberty can, which would tick off so many people if they take an effort to make a/proposition.
I really don’t see why the ACC would want a school who doesn’t have the buy in or market that SMU has or the facilities but is otherwise similar (Tulane), I don’t see why they’d want to add a Florida team even less popular than UCF(USF), and I really don’t see why they’d want to hire an athletic department who has bungled multiple opportunities to raise money to get to the power conferences, not to mention it’s stuck in the SEC footprint and a small market. Gimme SDSU(who the pac 12 nearly added when they were still at ten and is run really well as a department, especially generating their own revenue before donations) and UConn, everyday, over adding another AAC team
@@rangersking6699 Have you ever heard of FedEx? Bill Laurie of Walmart? Memphis has the money and the fanbase that does not compete with an NFL team. SMU had some of the worst attendance in the AAC. Memphis was always right at the top with UCF. I'm from Chicago and you could take Dallas, Memphis, and New Orleans in population and it would still be 50k less than Chicago. Do you hear about any of the schools in Chicago in the conversation (NIU). Market is great unless nobody cares about you in that market. SMU and Houston have the same problem. Memphis doesn't. Everyone is a Memphis fan.
@@chitowntiger1 where was that FedEx and Walmart money when the ACC needed a team between the east coast and the west coast? Where are those Memphis fans outside of Memphis’ tiny market?
@@rangersking6699 Manhattan Kansas has a tiny market. Memphis Metro is almost half the size of the state of Kansas' population. I saw an article from 15 years ago on why Houston didn't get in the B12 back then. It said only 3-4% of the entire state of Texas were Houston fans. SMU is in the same boat. You have it worse because Dallas has TCU too. Do I need to mention the Dallas Cowboys? SMU jumped on the Cal/Stanford train. You're allowing some billionaire to pay for SMU"s first seven years. Quit acting you earned your way in. lol
The ACC dies but we get the Metro Conference. UCONN, Pitt, CUSE, Louisville, Memphis, Temple, SMU, Tulane, USF, NC St, VT and Miami. They get a new deal with Turner/CW/ESPN that pays each team around 25-30 million/yr. (in this scenario Cal and Stanford go to the B1G). Then maybe their new tv partners tell them to go after the eastern Big 12 schools in the 2030's. Add Cincy, UCF, WVU and it's like the old Big East. (I would assume they would make the jump from the Big 12 to the Metro only if they know the next B12 TV deal isn't much).
No way your metro conference will be able to pay even 20 million per school per year; the only 'winner in that group is uconn and great basketball is nice, but doesn't pay the bills that great football does. The current big 12 schools are actually in a good spot and NONE will leave unless its to a P2. Big difference between B12 @ ACC now is the B12 schools all have made investments in football and the bottom 4 or 5 in the ACC (bc, cuse, pitt, wake, duke, etc.) show little interest in improving their football programs in general. I mean pitt has been talking for 30 years about an on campus stadium with no results. Cuse can't fill a freaking tiny dome, high schools in boston draw more fans than bc, tobacco road really doesn't embrace football..we could go on. Believe me, as a WVU fan, I would love to be in the same conference as pitt, but not at the expense of leaving the stability of the B12.
You do know that the Big 12’s current tv deal is an extension of a deal that was signed in 2011 when it has OU and Texas right? The league says they signed the tv deal to jump the PAC 12 but in reality is they did it because the irate 8 knew that if it went to market they would make less than what they make now. Don’t also forget the fact that just a few years ago the CW had no sports and Turner had the NBA. Well Turner lost the NBA and they have money to spend. Heck they even bought rights to a playoff game for the upcoming season. So it would probably easier for 3 networks to dish out 10 million each per team and share the rights.
If ACC falls, Pac2 Mountain West, American, ACC need a 3 division super conference formed. 2 tiers of payouts. Coastal and central Divisions, and a premier division that can grow or shrink based on winning conference championships. like relegation inside of a conference, or rather controlled by the conference.
I see virtually no possibility that the ACC will "implode". Will FSU and Clemson leave? Although neither has said so, they probably will. Will other schools leave? Possibly. Regardless, your thoughts are interesting, and the future is always uncertain.
The more I think on this, the more I think they lose 2-3 teams (if any at all) and don’t look to expand But I guess we’ll see how this court case goes and the look-in in Feb
Actually…I think it will be one extreme or the other - lose no teams or just a couple and don’t expand OR it implodes with a couple teams left like PAC currently is
It's only a matter of time. Either Clemson, FSU, find a way out early, or they will wait a while for the GOR to end. Regardless eventually teams will be looking to leave the ACC. If Clemson and FSU leave UNC and Virginia would bounce if given BIG 2 offer In a heart beat.
The ACC will not add any more teams until the third team drops out the league. At that point, I think many teams will leave for better financial opportunities. if that happens, the ACC will add the best teams with a they large television market. Depending on which teams leave, will depend on what new teams on TV markets they focus on.
If they lose the top 4. And say 4 more to B-XII. They will be nothing more than a glorified AAC. Well below the the B-XII FSU and Clemson to B10 UNC and Virginia to SEC Louisville Pitt VT and Miami FL to B-XII
Hard to say well below the B12 when two thirds of the B12 would be made up of PAC12 remnants, ACC remnants and AAC remnants. None of those schools added are powerhouses.
Yep, sounds like a reasonable result to me too. No matter how it shakes, the Big12 ends up as the remnants conference of the best-of-the-rest, a far below the Power 2 conference. It’ll be good, entertaining for sure, but no one of real national consequence. They would make an excellent case for promotion/relegation to the P2. Maybe someday. 😊
If the ACC loses FSU and Clemson, the seal would be broken, the conference would drop from the power 5. It would be SEC/ B10, Big XII, then PacX/ACC/AAC. The ACC can't afford to hemmorage markets.
Hahaha, that's hilarious! The Big12 without OU & TX has no major brands left. The ACC without Clemson & FSU still has 3 major brands... Miami, North Carolina, & Duke. Duke is a big brand, but basketball only. Similar to Kansas, but the Duke brand is stronger. So I'll cancel those two out. Still leaving NC & Miami. The Big12 is the best G6 conference. That might sting a bit, and I don't mean to be mean. But the numbers speak for themselves. Big12 recruiting is more similar to G5 than the P2, NFL draft picks, too. In 2024, with the new conference play outs, the Big12 will be closer to the G5 than they will be to the P2. Meaning... the top G5 distributes around 8M/school, compared to the 35M ish the Big12 will distribute. That's a 27M difference. 35+27= 62M, close but still less than what the P2 will distribute. So, in all aspects, the Big12 is closer to the G5 (they don't have any major brands either). But I commend your hustle to try to stay linked to the power conferences. It just looked like you were trying to throw shade on the ACC. You know what they say about glass houses...
@@tremoore61, you don't get the problem Tre. The media deal for the ACC is not only locked in forever and low, but the leadership in the conference is slow to react, a bit lazy, and somewhat disinterested. The Pac 12 HAD all those sorts of brands like the ACC, only better. USC is better than ANYTHING in the ACC. Utah makes more money than FSU. Oregon and Washington are both good enough to get poached by the B1G. UCLA offers everything and is in one of the biggest Markey in America. Miami's brand is severely overrated, it's s small private school that hasn't done anything in 20 years. FSU and Clemson are solid programs, but far from consistent blue-bloods. It was the Big XII that poached the Pac, not the other way around. The ACC took the dregs of the Pac, Cal and Stanford, as well as other teams that the Big XII turned down, SMU. The ACC will fall, their contract situation with ESPN will be exposed in discovery in the FSU case. Once the other presidents become aware of the opening, they will move for more money. The Big XII has a variable contract from the media partners and they have already worked out private equity, just like FSU was talking about. The media deal tells you that the Big XII is worth more. The other stuff about why the ACC thinks it's good is meaningless. It will fold because you can't keep a conference together through force, your teams WANT TO LEAVE. They know something you don't, or else they wouldn't be going through all this. Hell, the conference almost folded last year by vote, they were 1 school off.
I feel so bad for USF and Memphis. They deserve to move up, not be in this mess
Don't feel too bad. They'll make 3 or 4 times as much money per year if they get an ACC invite.
Well Brett yormark stuck his nose up at Memphis so he's the villan
Why is it that no commentators mention that the NC legislature has passed a law stating that neither UNC nor N C State can leave the ACC unless the other goes with them. Remember, these are public universities and part of the Greater University of North Carolina system. Also, the legislature has traditionally been controlled by eastern NC, which is NC State's main fan and student base.
My understanding was the bill was just scheduling requirements between UNC/NCSU and ECU, App State and Charlotte. What you’re insinuating here isn’t actually correct
One important point that needs to be said: SMU is going to be making more in the ACC from CFP payout alone ($13M) than they would in the AAC with CFP payout ($2M) + media money.($7M).
SMU doesn't need any ESPN money to make more in the ACC than they did in the AAC. The same can be said for Tulane, USF, Memphis.
Good point…SMU doesn’t need it but good call on Memphis, USF, Tulane
I think the ACC has to lose more than 3-4 teams before they look to expand and then it depends on how many landing spots are available for teams beyond that 3-4
Can see the ACC add San Diego State for their west wing
If the AAC lose Tulane, USF, and Memphis they will basically be on par with the Sun Belt or even the MAC but with more travel.
I don’t know if they’ll lose all 3…but that would be devastating to the conference
@@CollegeUnderdogsI think and from what I’ve read and heard and seen from podcasts and videos that either UTSA or Rice or both along with Army and Navy as full members not just football members are strong potential candidates and could be nabbed by the ACC, depending upon how many leave the ACC. It’s why many channels and podcasts and other sports media platforms have suggested that the new ACC will be a much better version of the old AAC with vastly better depth in all sports and not just football. There could be some significant truth to that. If more than three schools leave the AAC for whomever and wherever, the conference could be considered in jeopardy.
@@michaelwall3393stop.. you didn’t hear that. Because those teams make no sense.
@@michaelwall3393Rice maybe cause Stanford and Cal vouches for them and has a big endowment as Standford and Cal. Plus there looking into building a new stadium. Wouldn't be surprised Temple looking at the ACC to.
There are two schools that should be in the conversation for the ACC in the future! Liberty University and Appalachian State.
No other G5 school has had more successful involvement with the ACC than liberty University in recent years. Look deeper into how often they are successfully playing ACC schools in baseball, volleyball, soccer, track, and field, and so on.
Liberty University fits the ACC logistically, as well as in overall culture, and they have the most amazing P4 level facilities!
Liberty University should always be in the conversation.
No Liberty in the ACC anytime soon. Baseball, volleyball, track and field don't count at this point.
The third scenario with the ACC you mentioned is interesting, particularly concerning what the Big 12 does on the offensive. Pitt, Louisville etc. would probably be great fits over there, and surely Yormark would take an opportunity to snatch the best brands if the opportunity arises
Memphis used to be in a conference with Florida State, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Louisville, UConn, Houston, UCF, etc. etc. etc. They're not going to end up with Rice. No way in hell.
Just so you know, Rice was in the SWC a power conference.
Tulane was in that same conference.
@@robertmoldaner533 Yep. Tulane will be moving on to greener (pun intended) pastures too.
Offer the argument that Louisville, V-Tech, NC State, along with FSU, Clemson, and UNC leave. The first three go to the B12. The second three go SEC/B10. Then the G5 musical chairs begin. One spot is open in the B12. The ACC need several teams to get to 15 teams to satisfy ESPN for their current contract. They have to have 15 teams. It will change, but it will be more money and prestige than the AAC.
Good take 💯
That is assuming that the contract will exist if they lose 3+ members.
That said I agree that if the ACC expands again Memphis will be at the top of the list, though OSU and Wazzu might be higher.
No ACC team is paying the giant exit fees to go the Big12 and make the same amount of money. Only teams that have a Big10 or SEC deal on the table will leave. I suspect that narrows the list down to Florida State and Clemson (and maybe Miami). No one else is a big enough football brand. They won't be easily replaced, but plenty of top tier G5 teams would want in (Memphis, Tulane, Boise State, etc.) If the Big12 is still stable after losing Oklahoma and Texas, the ACC will survive losing Clemson and FSU.
@@atgdcommish608 Contracts are made to be broken. When FSU and Clemson are the first, then you'll see.
@@atgdcommish608Yeah, but there’s a difference between “surviving” and “thriving”.
These court cases aren’t going to be resolved in time for the ESPN look in, and the ACC tv deal is already undervalued with the teams in the league today. Without FSU and Clemson it would still be correctly valued right now as it is..
That’s a good point in regard to value
Bingo. With FSU and Clemson the ACC is better than the Big12, and making roughly the same money. Without FSU and Clemson they drop to the Big12 level (who just lost Oklahoma and Texas, the same kind of impact.)
I think I interpreted his view on the cap differently that you did. It's already being discussed that the P4 schools are looking at a max $22M cap due to the House v. NCAA lawsuit. He says _"I think some institutions in our conference are resourced in different ways than others. What we want to try to avoid is creating competition and gaps in our own league."_ I take that as the P4 schools having a cap of say that $22M, but AAC having a cap of $5M as an example. Schools like Memphis and USF might very easily go over that $5M. It sounds like he wants to avoid a situation where some schools in the AAC for example are sharing $15M while others are at $3M.
That's exactly what he wants to do and that's not going to fly. At that point, he's neutering the best schools in the conference to keep them from leaving, which means no school for the AAC would ever be good enough to even get the AQ spot in the CFP. He's an idiot.
People talk a lot about the ACC falling like the PAC like 15 isn’t 7 more than 8. Good luck tearing down a league with that many members left after the big boys leave.
This last option about schools having to pay money with none in return for awhile, would a USF, Tulane, Memphis, etc take a deal like SMU? I don't think two, if not all, couldn't afford it. Nonetheless, out know who could? A Liberty can, which would tick off so many people if they take an effort to make a/proposition.
I really don’t see why the ACC would want a school who doesn’t have the buy in or market that SMU has or the facilities but is otherwise similar (Tulane), I don’t see why they’d want to add a Florida team even less popular than UCF(USF), and I really don’t see why they’d want to hire an athletic department who has bungled multiple opportunities to raise money to get to the power conferences, not to mention it’s stuck in the SEC footprint and a small market. Gimme SDSU(who the pac 12 nearly added when they were still at ten and is run really well as a department, especially generating their own revenue before donations) and UConn, everyday, over adding another AAC team
They didn't WANT you. You bought your way in.
@@chitowntiger1 and you CANT buy your way in. Cause you don’t have the cash.
@@rangersking6699 Have you ever heard of FedEx? Bill Laurie of Walmart? Memphis has the money and the fanbase that does not compete with an NFL team. SMU had some of the worst attendance in the AAC. Memphis was always right at the top with UCF. I'm from Chicago and you could take Dallas, Memphis, and New Orleans in population and it would still be 50k less than Chicago. Do you hear about any of the schools in Chicago in the conversation (NIU). Market is great unless nobody cares about you in that market. SMU and Houston have the same problem. Memphis doesn't. Everyone is a Memphis fan.
@@chitowntiger1 where was that FedEx and Walmart money when the ACC needed a team between the east coast and the west coast? Where are those Memphis fans outside of Memphis’ tiny market?
@@rangersking6699 Manhattan Kansas has a tiny market. Memphis Metro is almost half the size of the state of Kansas' population. I saw an article from 15 years ago on why Houston didn't get in the B12 back then. It said only 3-4% of the entire state of Texas were Houston fans. SMU is in the same boat. You have it worse because Dallas has TCU too. Do I need to mention the Dallas Cowboys? SMU jumped on the Cal/Stanford train. You're allowing some billionaire to pay for SMU"s first seven years. Quit acting you earned your way in. lol
The ACC dies but we get the Metro Conference. UCONN, Pitt, CUSE, Louisville, Memphis, Temple, SMU, Tulane, USF, NC St, VT and Miami. They get a new deal with Turner/CW/ESPN that pays each team around 25-30 million/yr. (in this scenario Cal and Stanford go to the B1G). Then maybe their new tv partners tell them to go after the eastern Big 12 schools in the 2030's. Add Cincy, UCF, WVU and it's like the old Big East. (I would assume they would make the jump from the Big 12 to the Metro only if they know the next B12 TV deal isn't much).
No way your metro conference will be able to pay even 20 million per school per year; the only 'winner in that group is uconn and great basketball is nice, but doesn't pay the bills that great football does. The current big 12 schools are actually in a good spot and NONE will leave unless its to a P2. Big difference between B12 @ ACC now is the B12 schools all have made investments in football and the bottom 4 or 5 in the ACC (bc, cuse, pitt, wake, duke, etc.) show little interest in improving their football programs in general. I mean pitt has been talking for 30 years about an on campus stadium with no results. Cuse can't fill a freaking tiny dome, high schools in boston draw more fans than bc, tobacco road really doesn't embrace football..we could go on. Believe me, as a WVU fan, I would love to be in the same conference as pitt, but not at the expense of leaving the stability of the B12.
You do know that the Big 12’s current tv deal is an extension of a deal that was signed in 2011 when it has OU and Texas right? The league says they signed the tv deal to jump the PAC 12 but in reality is they did it because the irate 8 knew that if it went to market they would make less than what they make now.
Don’t also forget the fact that just a few years ago the CW had no sports and Turner had the NBA. Well Turner lost the NBA and they have money to spend. Heck they even bought rights to a playoff game for the upcoming season. So it would probably easier for 3 networks to dish out 10 million each per team and share the rights.
Coastal Carolina, east Carolina , and app state to acc
If ACC falls, Pac2 Mountain West, American, ACC need a 3 division super conference formed. 2 tiers of payouts. Coastal and central Divisions, and a premier division that can grow or shrink based on winning conference championships.
like relegation inside of a conference, or rather controlled by the conference.
No, and I mean NO B-XII team will ever join the ACC unless they’re incredibly stupid. And I don’t think WVU or even Utah are dumb enough to do that. 😂
I see virtually no possibility that the ACC will "implode". Will FSU and Clemson leave? Although neither has said so, they probably will. Will other schools leave? Possibly. Regardless, your thoughts are interesting, and the future is always uncertain.
The more I think on this, the more I think they lose 2-3 teams (if any at all) and don’t look to expand
But I guess we’ll see how this court case goes and the look-in in Feb
Actually…I think it will be one extreme or the other - lose no teams or just a couple and don’t expand OR it implodes with a couple teams left like PAC currently is
It's only a matter of time. Either Clemson, FSU, find a way out early, or they will wait a while for the GOR to end. Regardless eventually teams will be looking to leave the ACC. If Clemson and FSU leave UNC and Virginia would bounce if given BIG 2 offer In a heart beat.
@@CollegeUnderdogs Trey remembers that Josh Pate says that big football realignment could happen in July
@stevenw5838 by that time it will be one huge super conference
The ACC will not add any more teams until the third team drops out the league. At that point, I think many teams will leave for better financial opportunities. if that happens, the ACC will add the best teams with a they large television market. Depending on which teams leave, will depend on what new teams on TV markets they focus on.
The ACC deal lasts until 2036 as long as espn doesn’t decline to keep the deal after the look in
Thank you for the correction - 2031 is B12
If they lose the top 4. And say 4 more to B-XII. They will be nothing more than a glorified AAC. Well below the the B-XII
FSU and Clemson to B10
UNC and Virginia to SEC
Louisville Pitt VT and Miami FL to B-XII
Hard to say well below the B12 when two thirds of the B12 would be made up of PAC12 remnants, ACC remnants and AAC remnants. None of those schools added are powerhouses.
Yep, sounds like a reasonable result to me too. No matter how it shakes, the Big12 ends up as the remnants conference of the best-of-the-rest, a far below the Power 2 conference. It’ll be good, entertaining for sure, but no one of real national consequence. They would make an excellent case for promotion/relegation to the P2. Maybe someday. 😊
If the ACC loses FSU and Clemson, the seal would be broken, the conference would drop from the power 5.
It would be SEC/ B10, Big XII, then PacX/ACC/AAC.
The ACC can't afford to hemmorage markets.
Hahaha, that's hilarious! The Big12 without OU & TX has no major brands left. The ACC without Clemson & FSU still has 3 major brands... Miami, North Carolina, & Duke. Duke is a big brand, but basketball only. Similar to Kansas, but the Duke brand is stronger. So I'll cancel those two out. Still leaving NC & Miami. The Big12 is the best G6 conference. That might sting a bit, and I don't mean to be mean. But the numbers speak for themselves. Big12 recruiting is more similar to G5 than the P2, NFL draft picks, too. In 2024, with the new conference play outs, the Big12 will be closer to the G5 than they will be to the P2. Meaning... the top G5 distributes around 8M/school, compared to the 35M ish the Big12 will distribute. That's a 27M difference. 35+27= 62M, close but still less than what the P2 will distribute. So, in all aspects, the Big12 is closer to the G5 (they don't have any major brands either). But I commend your hustle to try to stay linked to the power conferences. It just looked like you were trying to throw shade on the ACC. You know what they say about glass houses...
@@tremoore61, you don't get the problem Tre.
The media deal for the ACC is not only locked in forever and low, but the leadership in the conference is slow to react, a bit lazy, and somewhat disinterested.
The Pac 12 HAD all those sorts of brands like the ACC, only better. USC is better than ANYTHING in the ACC. Utah makes more money than FSU. Oregon and Washington are both good enough to get poached by the B1G. UCLA offers everything and is in one of the biggest Markey in America.
Miami's brand is severely overrated, it's s small private school that hasn't done anything in 20 years.
FSU and Clemson are solid programs, but far from consistent blue-bloods.
It was the Big XII that poached the Pac, not the other way around.
The ACC took the dregs of the Pac, Cal and Stanford, as well as other teams that the Big XII turned down, SMU.
The ACC will fall, their contract situation with ESPN will be exposed in discovery in the FSU case.
Once the other presidents become aware of the opening, they will move for more money.
The Big XII has a variable contract from the media partners and they have already worked out private equity, just like FSU was talking about.
The media deal tells you that the Big XII is worth more.
The other stuff about why the ACC thinks it's good is meaningless.
It will fold because you can't keep a conference together through force, your teams WANT TO LEAVE.
They know something you don't, or else they wouldn't be going through all this.
Hell, the conference almost folded last year by vote, they were 1 school off.