For Option 2 theres alot of circumstantial stuff, but I can say for UTSA's desires, UTSA wants Texas Triangle schools and Military Acadamies on its schedule. Those games fill the dome up.
@RiVer-Parish what wouldn't matter? I didnt state UTSA is intending to join a hypothetical conference I just stated what UTSA desires besides more money/exposure.
That all depends on what type of media deal they can get. Fox, ESPN, CBS Sports Network and the CW. I also include streaming services like Apple TV and Amazon Prime Video.
UTSA fans make your statement this year by showing up in numbers. I will be at several road games not sure I can slip San Antone into my work schedule but def a few roadies Birds up
2 things, 1) the Eastern time zone schools are at a premium. Joining forces with the worst of the old PAC12 in the Pacific time zone is a non-starter. 2) Since it looks like there's going to be three tiers of FBS college conferences going forward; USF is angling to get into the mid-tier, the ACC or the BIG12.
Best option is a best of the rest conference. But the one you referenced isn't big enough. Here's how it should look: West: Boise St, Oregon St, Wazzu, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, Utah St, Hawaii, Air Force, Colorado St, Gonzaga (Basketball only) East: UTSA, Tulane, Memphis, USF, Troy, App St, Coastal Carolina, James Madison, Navy, Army, UConn (basketball only) > This give you a 22 (20 full members) team conference that remains stable even if a few teams get poached down the road. > It includes top markets like: San Diego, Las Vegas, Salt Lake, Denver, San Antonio, Memphis, New Orleans, Tampa, DC/Baltimore, and New York. Plus the national fan bases of Boise State, Air Force, Army, and Navy. > It includes Top Football teams like: Boise State, OSU, WSU, SDSU, Air Force, Fresno St, UTSA, Memphis, App St, CCU, & Navy > It includes Top Basketball teams like: Boise State, UNLV, SDSU, Memphis, Gonzaga, App St, JMU, & UConn > Conference Championship could rotate between Hawaii, San Diego, Las Vegas, New Orleans, & Tampa. Or be a neutral site like Arrowhead in KC, or U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis. Tell me this wouldn't be a freaking awesome conference.
South Florida fan here, I don't particularly care for the best of the rest option. Like you said, its just an upgraded G5. The talk with fans is that South Florida could be the suitable replacement in the ACC for FSU when/if the cases are settled.
USF, Memphis, and Tulane are holding out for ACC. They won’t be interested in moving to another G5. If that happens, then the PAC has nobody else to add from the American aside from maybe UTSA
I don’t think the ACC adds those teams…I think the ACC will either 1) keep it together 2) lose a couple and stand pat or 3) the whole thing deconstructs
I would rather be in the ACC (Memphis fan), but if that's not available I'd be happy with this. We could always go there at another time. Bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
Schools that belong in the ACC: Tulane Rice USF UConn Maybe: WashSt OrSt Memphis UT-SA Coastal Carolina Temple ECU App St Marshall James Madison Tulsa Liberty Never undervalue the service academies: Navy Army Airforce Certainly SOME, but likely NOT all get strongly considered for additions to ACC. The same schools are potential Big12 expansion targets as well, but likely only after ACC schools (though Big12 ought to go ahead & add OrSt & WashSt, Tulane, UConn, USF +1 (or all 3 service academies) before ACC does in a backfill). Pac2 needs to seriously look at all those schools as well. I like all the MW schools merged with all the AAC & Pac2 schools and select several additionally from the other 3 G5 conferences, some of which are listed above (& also add: La Tech, NMSt, Troy, UAB, Ohio, & Toledo, for example). The list of top targets out of the MW just grew after last season. The only ones needing to prove something are Nevada and Hawaii (but everyone wants to play in Hawaii). All these are valuable programs; especially if they start to play centrally and easterly: Colorado St Boise St Airforce Utah St SDSU Fresno St SJSU UNLV Even: Wyoming New Mexico Why leave any of those out ? And if not, why leave the other 2 out ? Put some strings attached for Nevada & Hawaii, make them probationary maybe, but why leave them out.
I agree with you that a merger between the MWC and the Pac-12 is the most likely scenario. OSU & WSU are getting $7 mil each. By absorbing the MWC into the pac-12, it seems to me that that deal would be north of $10 mil a year at the minimum. At that point, perhaps UTSA and North Texas would be interested in joining the new Pac-12 for more money. You might even be able to convince Gonzaga to come into the conference since Hawaii is a football only member.
Thanks for watching Today’s show I’m going even deeper into the finances to show why this is also the more lucrative option - $10M per year 👀 I talk about what that media deal could command briefly at the end but might be a good idea for a future video
@@drgat6953This was something put into place months ago by the UNC system. The UNC system president and board could stop UNC or NC State from switching conferences if they want. Thay way they can control whether they go together.
OSU and WSU can't go independent after 2026 per the settlement the PAC must have at least 8 teams to keep the full amount of the settlement this can be done a couple of ways 1 merger with MW keeping the PAC name 2 building a premiere G5. If they join another conference big12 acc before 2026, they have to pay back their settlement, I'm sure the treasonous 10 would love that.
I feel like this best of rest scenario only makes sense if eastern teams are football only (travel doesn’t matter for football), obviously Army, Navy, UConn would be fine with that, Temple would have a home in the A10 (huge market and one of the largest g5 football budgets) if you can swallow bad current football but that was USF for a couple years as well, you would think A10 bball would be acceptable to Memphis with St Louis and Loyola Chicago close. No idea where UTSA, Tulane, USF or ECU could park other sports though
I feel from the start that California & Stanford made a huge mistake defecting to the ACC. There now in a worse spot because (when) Florida State & Clemson leave, they ironically become the best schools there and on top of that they have to travel all the way across the country back and forth to go against opposition that might not be an improvement over the Mountain West teams; yet alone Oregon State and Washington State. I’m certain they both don’t want to pay another million dollar+ incentive fee to go back to the Pac-whatever and thus have to be stuck there because of whatever their agreement was with the ACC to join in the first place.
If I'm not mistaken, I've read the Pac 2 only get all the Pac 12 credits, if they have a conference. Is that's the case, it makes all the sense in the world to rebuild. Even if they do have to help foot the bill for some of these new schools, they'll still have quite a bit money left over.
@@CollegeUnderdogs As an Aztecs fan, I hope a reverse merge w/MWC doesn't happen. Need to get away from the bottom dwellers of the league. Would love to see, SDSU, BSU, CSU, Air Force, Tulane, Memphis as the first 6. If need to go to 10 teams, add 2 more from either Fresno State, UNLV, UTSA, USF, or GCU. But I like 8 teams to be more flexible to add other Teams if ACC explodes.
The travel costs for the AAC members who would join a far west centered conference would make the move financially unwise. Think of the cost for travel for all the non revenue sports teams.
If the PAC2 do end up rebuilding Commissioner Gould said some of the funds would go to the rebuilding of the PAC2. I would think the media deal would depend on who they could poach.
I still think a best of the rest strategy is most likely, but I'm not sure about the teams. Perhaps they would draw the line close to the Mississippi, to keep a Western flavor.
Best thing is for pac 2 and mountain west to merge add a couple aac members.. see if appletv and Amazon are interested in a tv deal .. with cbssports being main deal..
Hey Trey, great episode. I think the rebuilt PAC-2 is feasible if Apple gets back on the board and green lights specific teams that they'd want in a new PAC conference. Remember, they were in the 11th hour, about to close that all-streaming PAC-12 deal before it all imploded, but there was definite interest there from them! If Apple gets back on board (presumably for less $ than previous offer) but enough $$ to close the deal, creates stipulations as to how many teams they'd like and WHICH teams they would accept into the conference, then the PAC can start poaching! Just my thoughts lmk what you think! I feel like Apple + Amazon have that unlimited money and this can be a great foot in the door for Apple to expand their CFB footprint as the sport grows + potential future expanded CFP streaming opportunities.
As a UTSA fan, I'm split in the middle on this. I wonder if an all-streaming Apple TV PAC deal would = less or more eyeballs on UTSA football? Ultimately it feels good to be wanted, the momentum around our program is felt through the on-field product and conversations like these! (I am Mr. Glass all-the-way-full here but If we stay the course and win the AAC multiple times, and remain atop the conference for 5+ years, I can see a Big12 invite lurking. Proximity makes too much sense)
SMU should pay the same amount as the other schools that left. Hell UCONN left on 12 months notice for 17 mill. However they had to pay half of the money upfront and they paid out 1 million/yr until 2026. As for the AAC teams to jump to the Pac, how much would the TV deal be? If the TV deal can get each school 20-25 million year then maybe but I don't think USF jumps for anything less than that.
I don't see USF jumping to a PAC 2 rebuild or another mid-major alliance. They want to go P4 ASAP. Michael Kelly was talking the other day about how all of their facilities are already up to a P4 level so I'm assuming they are already looking for that invite or are in talks. They have sunk a lot of money into their athletics dept the last few years and want that ROI.
What makes sense is allowing the development of a semi pro football only conference,yet keep conferences as they were in all other sports. What is going to happen is that these jumpers are going to wind up dropping sports. Football, pays the freight,and covers costs for many non revenue sports.Now Oregon,U.C.L.A.,Washington, U.S.C. are going to have to pay so much more money to send non revenue teams,and this includes ALL WOMEN'S TEAMS,to New freaking Jersey. Golf,swimming tennis,women's hoops,softball, baseball,soccer,both men's and women's,x country, and after one year of this expense increase,with profits gone, schools will drop teams.They have to and most will be WOMEN'S. L.A. to N.J. is not a buss trip.Rutgers A.D. is planning on dropping teams. You got increasing air travel costs,hotel,bus to and from airport,transportation,meals,for large travel party's. Look at Patriot League, Army Navy are all in except for football. League makes competitive,fiscal, academic, logistical sense.Common Sense too. Women's Basketball lose's tons of money, men's breaks even. Some make a small profit.Football supports everything.Schools without football profits rely on men' s(like St.Johns and Georgetown). hoops.
Memphis is your first call after the PAC 2 pluck the Mountain West. You need brand and Memphis has brand. Memphis,Tulane, and USF are not happy going backwards with the 6 backfills. Don't underestimate the power of Ego.
Wash St and Oregon St aren't gonna sit and wait for leftover small conf teams. They will make moves beofre start of next season. I do see San Diego St following them in some fashion...
People overestimate the branding of Oregon State and Washington State. There is a reason why they’re currently in a 2 team conference. Mid major brands that got away with being in a lucky situation for way too long. USF and Memphis aren’t leaving to be in a conference with two mediocre brands on the complete opposite side of the country. Boston College, Wake Forest and Syracuse are probably next.
No...the PAC 12 blew it and the PAC 2 will not get a good TV deal. They need to join the MWC. Any school from the MWC or the ACC to leave their conference and join a conference without a TV makes no financial sense.
I used to be in favor of the Super G5 conference. I was on here saying it was what we needed to do. But as i think about it, as a Memphis fan's perspective, why would this be good? Only getting a great media deal would make it worth it. Think about this, if the playoffs continue to add a G5 team, and the committee is still willing to take an undefeated Liberty over a Super G5 champion with 2 losses, why would we want a harder schedule? Now, if the committee started choosing the best team again like they used to, and not simply the one with the best record, maybe. But i think they want the G5 team to look bad, so i have no confidence they pick the best team in the next few years. And who is gonna pay for the rights to make this all worth it? Espn? Idk. If the money was right and the committee did a fair job of picking teams, i would be all for it. But i can't trust either of those to actually happen.
Trey, welcome back. The G5 needs your voice now more than ever. Im a Cougar fan, bleeding crimson and gray. Im totally fed up with this realignment garage, for me its blasted religation. It blows. I just want a home for my cougs. Your analysis is sound. A reverse merger with MWC would be fine as long as the PAC name is intack, the settlement counts on it. A rebuilt PAC would be fine too, but as far as an invite to a P4 is doughtfull and dimming every day, they bent us over without the reach a round. I fear that if the ACC collapses, other programs will suffer the same fate. I can't stand the SEC or the BIG. The networks have been forceing us to watch them and shoving them down our throats for years, Both can fall off the face of the earth for all I care. The only way to stop the power conference is to stop watching them thats what they fear. Some say if the G5 stopped watching the P4 they would loose up to 30% of it viewer ship. That would hurt them. I have found with all this realignment crap I'm not a collage football fan. I'm a Cougar fan. Again, welcome back, Trey.
Unfortunately, Greed has destroyed college football. The only tangible solution would be through government intervention. In theory I hope that college football gets redistributed to a more equal footing, because we are now staring down the face of a major shift of the have versus have nots. Prior to NIL/Portal, schools had the ability to really build teams and make championship runs, and now days that has all been lost to many kids just wanting to follow the almighty dollar. I hope that many schools band together and fight through the court systems and fight to keep the leagues together. Honestly, to me the best solution is to break up all of the conferences and return them all to a system of 8 equal sized leagues all regionally based. Not Brands, regional (and Notre Dame will be relegated into a conference). Then each conference will play each other for a spot for a conference championship game. The conference championship game is the first round of the college football playoff. No more rankings, strength of schedule, etc... For the 2nd round, its based upon a random computer selection to determine matchups, and do so for the semi finals. It fair and equitable. AS for TV viewing, have the NCAA hold the grant of rights for all schools and then divide the revenues equally among the 8 conferences (this way to prevent schools from becoming too powerful). To me the focus should be on college education, college athletes, and simple regional rivalries. Not decisions made at ESPN.
A rebuilt Pac is not going to be a power conference. If they could cherry pick the MW and add some other quality teams they could be a strong G6. However, the chances of cherry picking the MW is not likely nor is adding USF, Memphis, or Tulane. A merger with the full MW will strengthen the conference but obviously be a disappointment to OSU/WSU.
@@DocSkirv I would love that to happen. I think Gloria Nevarez has put preventative measures in place, very high exits fees, that none of the teams could afford. So unless that expires when the TV contract expires in several years I don't see it happening.
As a Memphis fan, the last thing they want is taking the whole Mountain West. I say that with a heavy heart since both my boys got their degrees at Nevada...Go Pack...Go Tigers.
The power 3 will be SEC, Big10 & ACC. The others will be part of the G7. Group of 7 AAC, Mountain west, Pac 12, C-USA, big12 or Allstate 12. Mid American & Sunbelt. & I’m not a ACC fan. I just see the writing on the wall. The big 12 is not safe. They only have an “”extension”” of a tv deal. That’s all they have is “”extension”” not an actual tv deal. The ACC will probably take some of big 12 teams & maybe the pac 2 teams.
The Big 12 will be fine. The ACC is dead. And yes, you are an ACC fan if you really believe that.thar. Also, are you dumb? An extension is an actual TV deal. The ACC also signed an extension that kicks in for the 2027 season so using your logic the ACC doesn't have a real TV deal.
Climate change!!!! Oh and by the way we’re making athletic conferences spread across the country and fly all over the place 🙄 All idiocy. Regional conferences make the most sense and everyone go independent in football.
College Football Expansion is driven top down. This means the B1G and SEC will NOT immediately expand. Why? Because both ESPN, Fox, and the 2 Conferences are digesting their recent adds at least for 2 years until the CFP changes. If these Conferences go to 21 schools, they will play no more than 1 OOC game and will probably go to zero OOC games. They will want 100% of the media time. The B12 and ACC might sign a 2 OOC game per team scheduling arrangement. Both of these Conferences are waiting on the B1G and SEC to determine what they will do. The PAC2 is finished. The MWC will merge as PacWest. They will NOT get AAC money, but might get $7 million per school. The best of the rest Conference concept will NOT occur as an actual Conference. If the P4 drops the G5 in 2026 from the CFP, then a G5 CFP2 will occur. It will only include the Top 8 Teams; 5 Conference Champions and 3 best record, then highest net score.
For Option 2 theres alot of circumstantial stuff, but I can say for UTSA's desires, UTSA wants Texas Triangle schools and Military Acadamies on its schedule. Those games fill the dome up.
Excellent point
I can’t wait to watch UTSA vs Army up here in New York at West point. I’ll be loud in orange blue
It still wouldn't matter. The Pac-2 is dead.
@RiVer-Parish what wouldn't matter? I didnt state UTSA is intending to join a hypothetical conference I just stated what UTSA desires besides more money/exposure.
That all depends on what type of media deal they can get. Fox, ESPN, CBS Sports Network and the CW. I also include streaming services like Apple TV and Amazon Prime Video.
UTSA fans make your statement this year by showing up in numbers. I will be at several road games not sure I can slip San Antone into my work schedule but def a few roadies Birds up
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2 things, 1) the Eastern time zone schools are at a premium. Joining forces with the worst of the old PAC12 in the Pacific time zone is a non-starter. 2) Since it looks like there's going to be three tiers of FBS college conferences going forward; USF is angling to get into the mid-tier, the ACC or the BIG12.
Best option is a best of the rest conference. But the one you referenced isn't big enough. Here's how it should look:
West: Boise St, Oregon St, Wazzu, Fresno St, SDSU, UNLV, Utah St, Hawaii, Air Force, Colorado St, Gonzaga (Basketball only)
East: UTSA, Tulane, Memphis, USF, Troy, App St, Coastal Carolina, James Madison, Navy, Army, UConn (basketball only)
> This give you a 22 (20 full members) team conference that remains stable even if a few teams get poached down the road.
> It includes top markets like: San Diego, Las Vegas, Salt Lake, Denver, San Antonio, Memphis, New Orleans, Tampa, DC/Baltimore, and New York. Plus the national fan bases of Boise State, Air Force, Army, and Navy.
> It includes Top Football teams like: Boise State, OSU, WSU, SDSU, Air Force, Fresno St, UTSA, Memphis, App St, CCU, & Navy
> It includes Top Basketball teams like: Boise State, UNLV, SDSU, Memphis, Gonzaga, App St, JMU, & UConn
> Conference Championship could rotate between Hawaii, San Diego, Las Vegas, New Orleans, & Tampa. Or be a neutral site like Arrowhead in KC, or U.S. Bank Stadium in Minneapolis.
Tell me this wouldn't be a freaking awesome conference.
South Florida fan here, I don't particularly care for the best of the rest option. Like you said, its just an upgraded G5. The talk with fans is that South Florida could be the suitable replacement in the ACC for FSU when/if the cases are settled.
You really think the ACC is still a Power Conference🧐
@@user-mo7fy3nj6jUmmm, yes. You guys are the only ones who are brainwashed into thinking that only the B1G and SEC are power conferences.
USF, Memphis, and Tulane are holding out for ACC. They won’t be interested in moving to another G5.
If that happens, then the PAC has nobody else to add from the American aside from maybe UTSA
I don’t think the ACC adds those teams…I think the ACC will either 1) keep it together 2) lose a couple and stand pat or 3) the whole thing deconstructs
@@CollegeUnderdogs pshh if that’s the case give us USF and Memphis in the XII then. You can keep Tulane
I would rather be in the ACC (Memphis fan), but if that's not available I'd be happy with this. We could always go there at another time. Bird in hand is worth two in the bush.
As a tulane fan, we would fit perfectly in the acc and renew the rivalry against georgia tech
Schools that belong in the ACC:
Tulane
Rice
USF
UConn
Maybe:
WashSt
OrSt
Memphis
UT-SA
Coastal Carolina
Temple
ECU
App St
Marshall
James Madison
Tulsa
Liberty
Never undervalue the service academies:
Navy
Army
Airforce
Certainly SOME, but likely NOT all get strongly considered for additions to ACC.
The same schools are potential Big12 expansion targets as well, but likely only after ACC schools (though Big12 ought to go ahead & add OrSt & WashSt, Tulane, UConn, USF +1 (or all 3 service academies) before ACC does in a backfill).
Pac2 needs to seriously look at all those schools as well.
I like all the MW schools merged with all the AAC & Pac2 schools and select several additionally from the other 3 G5 conferences, some of which are listed above (& also add:
La Tech,
NMSt,
Troy,
UAB,
Ohio, &
Toledo,
for example).
The list of top targets out of the MW just grew after last season. The only ones needing to prove something are Nevada and Hawaii (but everyone wants to play in Hawaii).
All these are valuable programs; especially if they start to play centrally and easterly:
Colorado St
Boise St
Airforce
Utah St
SDSU
Fresno St
SJSU
UNLV
Even:
Wyoming
New Mexico
Why leave any of those out ? And if not, why leave the other 2 out ? Put some strings attached for Nevada & Hawaii, make them probationary maybe, but why leave them out.
I agree with you that a merger between the MWC and the Pac-12 is the most likely scenario. OSU & WSU are getting $7 mil each. By absorbing the MWC into the pac-12, it seems to me that that deal would be north of $10 mil a year at the minimum. At that point, perhaps UTSA and North Texas would be interested in joining the new Pac-12 for more money. You might even be able to convince Gonzaga to come into the conference since Hawaii is a football only member.
Thanks for watching
Today’s show I’m going even deeper into the finances to show why this is also the more lucrative option - $10M per year 👀
I talk about what that media deal could command briefly at the end but might be a good idea for a future video
UNC is legally tied to be in the same conference as NC state now unless the system approves them to leave..which they may well not.
Where are you seeing that?
@@drgat6953This was something put into place months ago by the UNC system. The UNC system president and board could stop UNC or NC State from switching conferences if they want. Thay way they can control whether they go together.
OSU and wsu. Are better off as Independents than joining Mtn west.
Not in this landscape they aren’t
OSU and WSU can't go independent after 2026 per the settlement the PAC must have at least 8 teams to keep the full amount of the settlement this can be done a couple of ways 1 merger with MW keeping the PAC name 2 building a premiere G5. If they join another conference big12 acc before 2026, they have to pay back their settlement, I'm sure the treasonous 10 would love that.
Worth noting that Memphis, UTSA, Tulane, and Tulsa have good TV viewership and are not in the Eastern time zone.
I feel like this best of rest scenario only makes sense if eastern teams are football only (travel doesn’t matter for football), obviously Army, Navy, UConn would be fine with that, Temple would have a home in the A10 (huge market and one of the largest g5 football budgets) if you can swallow bad current football but that was USF for a couple years as well, you would think A10 bball would be acceptable to Memphis with St Louis and Loyola Chicago close. No idea where UTSA, Tulane, USF or ECU could park other sports though
EAST: Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, USF. WEST: Tulane, SMU, SDSU, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State.
Tulane in the west?
@@CollegeUnderdogs It’s either them or Georgia Tech.
You can't leave Memphis out of this conference.
@@rayrayrivers6135 Memphis, utsa, the 3 academies
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Great discussion.
#RollWave
GaTech and Tulane will make great rivals but still P4 bias.
If they do poach the teams, it could be called the C2CC, coast to coast conference? There could be some cool branding with that?
Not sure if you read Canzano Substack? Huge P12 rebuild clues dropped today.
I have not, feel free to share any tidbits
I’ll be honest though, the stuff he reported a year ago was not accurate as it pertained to PAC
I feel from the start that California & Stanford made a huge mistake defecting to the ACC. There now in a worse spot because (when) Florida State & Clemson leave, they ironically become the best schools there and on top of that they have to travel all the way across the country back and forth to go against opposition that might not be an improvement over the Mountain West teams; yet alone Oregon State and Washington State. I’m certain they both don’t want to pay another million dollar+ incentive fee to go back to the Pac-whatever and thus have to be stuck there because of whatever their agreement was with the ACC to join in the first place.
If I'm not mistaken, I've read the Pac 2 only get all the Pac 12 credits, if they have a conference. Is that's the case, it makes all the sense in the world to rebuild. Even if they do have to help foot the bill for some of these new schools, they'll still have quite a bit money left over.
Correct, they also keep the credits if they were to merge w MWC under the PAC banner (hence reverse merger)
@@CollegeUnderdogs As an Aztecs fan, I hope a reverse merge w/MWC doesn't happen. Need to get away from the bottom dwellers of the league. Would love to see, SDSU, BSU, CSU, Air Force, Tulane, Memphis as the first 6. If need to go to 10 teams, add 2 more from either Fresno State, UNLV, UTSA, USF, or GCU. But I like 8 teams to be more flexible to add other Teams if ACC explodes.
The travel costs for the AAC members who would join a far west centered conference would make the move financially unwise. Think of the cost for travel for all the non revenue sports teams.
NOBODY in CENTRAL or EAST timezones want to watch fucking games at 10pm at night!!!
Not true I’m out here in NYC and enjoy watching college ball late at night and it shows at the sports bars out here in nyc
If the PAC2 do end up rebuilding Commissioner Gould said some of the funds would go to the rebuilding of the PAC2. I would think the media deal would depend on who they could poach.
Agreed
I wonder how much the CW has to invest into CFB
I still think a best of the rest strategy is most likely, but I'm not sure about the teams. Perhaps they would draw the line close to the Mississippi, to keep a Western flavor.
I could see that as possibility
Best thing is for pac 2 and mountain west to merge add a couple aac members.. see if appletv and Amazon are interested in a tv deal .. with cbssports being main deal..
UTSA needs to hurry up with the AAU accreditation. We’d become so much more attractive with that
Very true
As a BSU fan, Dickey is amazing, more fund raising and momentum than we have ever had. Hopefully he stays for along time.. aka not leave to Houston
I saw he’s likely on Houston radar…I would like to see him stay but that job will attract top notch candidates if he leaves
Hey Trey, great episode. I think the rebuilt PAC-2 is feasible if Apple gets back on the board and green lights specific teams that they'd want in a new PAC conference. Remember, they were in the 11th hour, about to close that all-streaming PAC-12 deal before it all imploded, but there was definite interest there from them! If Apple gets back on board (presumably for less $ than previous offer) but enough $$ to close the deal, creates stipulations as to how many teams they'd like and WHICH teams they would accept into the conference, then the PAC can start poaching! Just my thoughts lmk what you think! I feel like Apple + Amazon have that unlimited money and this can be a great foot in the door for Apple to expand their CFB footprint as the sport grows + potential future expanded CFP streaming opportunities.
As a UTSA fan, I'm split in the middle on this. I wonder if an all-streaming Apple TV PAC deal would = less or more eyeballs on UTSA football? Ultimately it feels good to be wanted, the momentum around our program is felt through the on-field product and conversations like these! (I am Mr. Glass all-the-way-full here but If we stay the course and win the AAC multiple times, and remain atop the conference for 5+ years, I can see a Big12 invite lurking. Proximity makes too much sense)
I was listening to other podcasts on what Josh Pate says. He sent out a cryptic message that ACC is about to lose more members
I saw him put something like that on Twitter
SMU should pay the same amount as the other schools that left. Hell UCONN left on 12 months notice for 17 mill. However they had to pay half of the money upfront and they paid out 1 million/yr until 2026.
As for the AAC teams to jump to the Pac, how much would the TV deal be? If the TV deal can get each school 20-25 million year then maybe but I don't think USF jumps for anything less than that.
SMU was less than 12 months
@@CollegeUnderdogs In the next media deal do you see streaming services playing a major role in college football or maybe in the next decade
I don't see USF jumping to a PAC 2 rebuild or another mid-major alliance. They want to go P4 ASAP. Michael Kelly was talking the other day about how all of their facilities are already up to a P4 level so I'm assuming they are already looking for that invite or are in talks. They have sunk a lot of money into their athletics dept the last few years and want that ROI.
Media deal would have to worth it, but I don't see the super G5 getting the type of money it would take to make this happen.
What makes sense is allowing the development of a semi pro football only conference,yet keep conferences as they were in all other sports. What is going to happen is that these jumpers are going to wind up dropping sports. Football, pays the freight,and covers costs for many non revenue sports.Now Oregon,U.C.L.A.,Washington, U.S.C. are going to have to pay so much more money to send non revenue teams,and this includes ALL WOMEN'S TEAMS,to New freaking Jersey. Golf,swimming tennis,women's hoops,softball, baseball,soccer,both men's and women's,x country, and after one year of this expense increase,with profits gone, schools will drop teams.They have to and most will be WOMEN'S. L.A. to N.J. is not a buss trip.Rutgers A.D. is planning on dropping teams. You got increasing air travel costs,hotel,bus to and from airport,transportation,meals,for large travel party's. Look at Patriot League, Army Navy are all in except for football. League makes competitive,fiscal, academic, logistical sense.Common Sense too. Women's Basketball lose's tons of money, men's breaks even. Some make a small profit.Football supports everything.Schools without football profits rely on men' s(like St.Johns and Georgetown). hoops.
OSU/WSU should just join the AAC and add 4 from the MWC (Boise, AF, SDSU, UNLV). 20 team G5 national power conference.
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Memphis is your first call after the PAC 2 pluck the Mountain West. You need brand and Memphis has brand. Memphis,Tulane, and USF are not happy going backwards with the 6 backfills. Don't underestimate the power of Ego.
AAC maybe ?
Mountain west fans gonna be heated at this thumbnail especially San Diego state, Boise state, Fresno state
Wouldn’t be the first time
But I don’t think they’ll be heated at this episode
@@CollegeUnderdogs don’t forget about schools in the Texas.
Wash St and Oregon St aren't gonna sit and wait for leftover small conf teams. They will make moves beofre start of next season. I do see San Diego St following them in some fashion...
People overestimate the branding of Oregon State and Washington State. There is a reason why they’re currently in a 2 team conference. Mid major brands that got away with being in a lucky situation for way too long. USF and Memphis aren’t leaving to be in a conference with two mediocre brands on the complete opposite side of the country.
Boston College, Wake Forest and Syracuse are probably next.
Agreed, though I do think Syracuse gets picked up if the ACC were to implode
@@CollegeUnderdogs But by who?
20 teams is definitely going to happen Notre Dame will eventually have to join the conference and they're bringing someone with
No...the PAC 12 blew it and the PAC 2 will not get a good TV deal. They need to join the MWC. Any school from the MWC or the ACC to leave their conference and join a conference without a TV makes no financial sense.
I used to be in favor of the Super G5 conference. I was on here saying it was what we needed to do. But as i think about it, as a Memphis fan's perspective, why would this be good? Only getting a great media deal would make it worth it. Think about this, if the playoffs continue to add a G5 team, and the committee is still willing to take an undefeated Liberty over a Super G5 champion with 2 losses, why would we want a harder schedule? Now, if the committee started choosing the best team again like they used to, and not simply the one with the best record, maybe. But i think they want the G5 team to look bad, so i have no confidence they pick the best team in the next few years. And who is gonna pay for the rights to make this all worth it? Espn? Idk. If the money was right and the committee did a fair job of picking teams, i would be all for it. But i can't trust either of those to actually happen.
Trey, welcome back. The G5 needs your voice now more than ever. Im a Cougar fan, bleeding crimson and gray. Im totally fed up with this realignment garage, for me its blasted religation. It blows. I just want a home for my cougs. Your analysis is sound. A reverse merger with MWC would be fine as long as the PAC name is intack, the settlement counts on it. A rebuilt PAC would be fine too, but as far as an invite to a P4 is doughtfull and dimming every day, they bent us over without the reach a round. I fear that if the ACC collapses, other programs will suffer the same fate. I can't stand the SEC or the BIG. The networks have been forceing us to watch them and shoving them down our throats for years, Both can fall off the face of the earth for all I care. The only way to stop the power conference is to stop watching them thats what they fear. Some say if the G5 stopped watching the P4 they would loose up to 30% of it viewer ship. That would hurt them. I have found with all this realignment crap I'm not a collage football fan. I'm a Cougar fan. Again, welcome back, Trey.
Good stuff here, Ranger! Appreciate you 💯🤝
Unfortunately, Greed has destroyed college football. The only tangible solution would be through government intervention. In theory I hope that college football gets redistributed to a more equal footing, because we are now staring down the face of a major shift of the have versus have nots. Prior to NIL/Portal, schools had the ability to really build teams and make championship runs, and now days that has all been lost to many kids just wanting to follow the almighty dollar.
I hope that many schools band together and fight through the court systems and fight to keep the leagues together. Honestly, to me the best solution is to break up all of the conferences and return them all to a system of 8 equal sized leagues all regionally based. Not Brands, regional (and Notre Dame will be relegated into a conference). Then each conference will play each other for a spot for a conference championship game. The conference championship game is the first round of the college football playoff. No more rankings, strength of schedule, etc... For the 2nd round, its based upon a random computer selection to determine matchups, and do so for the semi finals. It fair and equitable. AS for TV viewing, have the NCAA hold the grant of rights for all schools and then divide the revenues equally among the 8 conferences (this way to prevent schools from becoming too powerful). To me the focus should be on college education, college athletes, and simple regional rivalries. Not decisions made at ESPN.
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A rebuilt Pac is not going to be a power conference. If they could cherry pick the MW and add some other quality teams they could be a strong G6. However, the chances of cherry picking the MW is not likely nor is adding USF, Memphis, or Tulane. A merger with the full MW will strengthen the conference but obviously be a disappointment to OSU/WSU.
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Cherry pick8ng the MWC is very likely. Even the MWC ADs are saying it.
@@DocSkirv I would love that to happen. I think Gloria Nevarez has put preventative measures in place, very high exits fees, that none of the teams could afford. So unless that expires when the TV contract expires in several years I don't see it happening.
@@billl1127 they have the money
As a Memphis fan, the last thing they want is taking the whole Mountain West. I say that with a heavy heart since both my boys got their degrees at Nevada...Go Pack...Go Tigers.
The power 3 will be SEC, Big10 & ACC. The others will be part of the G7. Group of 7
AAC, Mountain west, Pac 12, C-USA, big12 or Allstate 12. Mid American & Sunbelt. & I’m not a ACC fan. I just see the writing on the wall. The big 12 is not safe. They only have an “”extension”” of a tv deal. That’s all they have is “”extension”” not an actual tv deal. The ACC will probably take some of big 12 teams & maybe the pac 2 teams.
LOL...if FSU and Clemson leave, the ACC will not be a Power anything.
The ACC will be non existent in 2 years
@@user-mo7fy3nj6j Wrong,
The Big 12 will be fine. The ACC is dead. And yes, you are an ACC fan if you really believe that.thar. Also, are you dumb? An extension is an actual TV deal. The ACC also signed an extension that kicks in for the 2027 season so using your logic the ACC doesn't have a real TV deal.
Climate change!!!! Oh and by the way we’re
making athletic conferences spread across the country and fly all over the place 🙄 All idiocy. Regional conferences make the most sense and everyone go independent in football.
College Football Expansion is driven top down. This means the B1G and SEC will NOT immediately expand. Why? Because both ESPN, Fox, and the 2 Conferences are digesting their recent adds at least for 2 years until the CFP changes. If these Conferences go to 21 schools, they will play no more than 1 OOC game and will probably go to zero OOC games. They will want 100% of the media time.
The B12 and ACC might sign a 2 OOC game per team scheduling arrangement. Both of these Conferences are waiting on the B1G and SEC to determine what they will do.
The PAC2 is finished. The MWC will merge as PacWest. They will NOT get AAC money, but might get $7 million per school.
The best of the rest Conference concept will NOT occur as an actual Conference. If the P4 drops the G5 in 2026 from the CFP, then a G5 CFP2 will occur. It will only include the Top 8 Teams; 5 Conference Champions and 3 best record, then highest net score.
UTSA needs to go P5 or be in position to do so. Go Runners!