AC Cobra -vs- 1960's 440 Dodge Dart
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- I got lucky and ran a 11.47 sec, 119 mph, 60' = 1.6 sec. to the Dart's 13.36 sec, 98.84, 60' = 1.92 sec. run. I'm glad I beat him, but this was a very nice Dart. Orlando Speed World in February 2015.
Back in the day we called that GETTIN’ WALKED!
Obviously Patrick you don't know what a 427 soch motor is, bone stock on gas is about 600 hp@ 6000 rpm.
That's 1963 technology.also very underrated because of insurance companies. This motor was banned from NASCAR because GM and mopo cried.
The Cobra did not come with the 427 SOHC motor and was rated at under 500HP. Also the reason the 427 SOHC motor was ruled out of NASCAR is that they were hand made and not in any significant production. I can assure you that Chrysler or GM could have made a few SOHC or even DOHC big blocks by hand if they wanted to. That is not what NASCAR is all about.
@@mikepetroff4240 :No! You may want to look it up before making that comment. NASCAR banned it because they got wind Chrysler was developing a "DOHC" hemi', which it's estimated hp was above 900. That's when NASCR said "NO! I believe that was stated in the book about the "cammer", about fords "Single" ohc 427! Chrysler discontinued the development after completing 2 prototypes but never tested them because of the ban. Why continue when it would be banned, it's was being developed for NASCR. Ford tried it in NHRA, work great until it started to eat parts and the 6' long timing chain kept stretching and throwing the timing off. They didn't want to spend the time or money to develope a gear system, like Chrysler did, because they were probably afraid Chrysler would have finished theirs first! First to market, first to sales!
@@mikepetroff4240 :Sorry Mike, that was ment for Iggy Fritz, not you, my big fingers touched the wrong comment for reply! Again, sorry.
@@glennfalzo3718 Total BS
@@larrymartelllm :Total BS? Explain!
I see you have a few Chevy or Mopar fans, 4 to be exact! Great Video Brother!!!
F.F.F.!!!!🙏🇺🇸
Luke Tilley - Thanks for the comment...
Great post, I love the different camera presentations. I'm living vicariously through you as I watch these! Fortunately, yet unfortunately, the wife and I are still 25yrs away from retirement in order to buy something like this, haha. Beautiful kit car, keep up the good drivin'!
Hey, MO Rebel - sorry I didn't respond to your comment. Thanks for the compliment on my video. Glad to hear you're living through me and the car. It is a nice car and attracts a lot of attention, but it's like a boat - a big hole I keep throwing money into. I hope one day you are able to get your Cobra. Mine has been down for 8 months now, but is currently in the process of being tuned. I should be back at the track in a few weeks. Once again, thanks for the pleasant comment.
Does your snake bite?
No.
Hisssssss!!!!
I thought you said your snake does not bite?!
That is not my snake...
That man can drive that cobra
Thanks for the compliment - I just wish I could shift faster.
Don't we all? Like "Ronnie Sox", maybe? I'd LOVE to have the nickname "Mr for Speed"!
@@glennfalzo3718 It was Mr.4 speed,but we know what you mean!
The 4 speed setup on Cobras weren't designed for power shifting.
@@Mike583 :I'm having a problem NOT looking before I push "send"! And yes, they deffently not made to power shift. But Red does an awesome job shifting, doesn't he?
Cobra was the fastest accelerating car for a long long time.Guinness book of world records.over 50 yrs. Untouched.unmatched king of shittin and gittin.
Like I said in the quarter mile . A 68 Hemi dart or Barracuda would flat out smoke the cobra . Any day if the week . It doesn't have anything to do with the Guinness book of records or their opinion. Just facts .
@@bradhardy2629 your smoking flex seal if you think a hemi dart will flat out smoke a Cobra the hemi dart is 3000lbs a Cobra is 2000lbs with the same hp
@@bradhardy2629 and the 66 super snake rapes a hemi dart
@@hishok3332 your obviously lethargic and a Ford idiot . Who knows nothing about the 68 SSA hemi cars . Typical Ford idiot
@@bradhardy2629 and if Mopar is so fast how come the Nascar records are held by Ford with a 351 Cleveland and I didn't see Mopar out running Ferrari ford did
13.36 in a 440 Dart? It ran like it still had a 318.
Yeah everyone's 318 ran low 13s....
@Grumpy468 your full of shit but ok a 340 duster stock is 3200lbs a big block is almost 200lbs heavier than a small block
@@hishok3332 yeah you're wrong about that.
@@Moparmaga-1 no I'm not a 340 I 525lbs a 440 is 670lbs
@@Moparmaga-1 so at 340 with a 727 behind it at 440 with a 727 behind is literally right at a 200 pound difference and there's not I 70 duster in the 70 Challenger the 340 is 3200 3300lbs and a bigblock challenger 440 is 3500lbs 3600lbs
And I live in Detroit and obviously this isn't the only FORD powered machine that can exercise demons.
That's flat out getting a spanking. What was he thinking? The Cobra has held the title of most dominant street racer since we can remember!!
my 2006 zx14 cost $4000 and will do 9.83-9.97 all day long ...we removed stuff to save weight
??? I love all muscle cars I am not bashing any persons car. I grew up in the Motor City! I was a regular at DETROIT Dragway. Being 58yrs old I have seen the best and the baddest. For your info I was the proud owner of 3 mustang 1 with 289 hi po, a 302, a boss 351. Also a cobra jet torino. I currently drive a escape with 240,000 miles and guarantee from 0-50 I will embarrass whatever your driving. 😅😅😅😅😅
I was gonna ask if it was a replica, then I saw the cup holders.
John Tempest - Oh no, you noticed those damned cup holders!! Ever since I've owned the car(about 7 years now) I've always operated under the rule that the Cobra is a street car FIRST, and a race car second, and if the wife can't drive it - then I've gone too far with it. Without the glove box and the "floor console", I'd have no place to keep stuff - stuff I need when I go driving - like a flashlight, cigarettes and lighters, pens and a pad, driving gloves, registration, gate opener, garage door opener, gun & extra mags, napkins, chap stick, etc. I'm an old man and I don't like doing without all those things - LOL. Anyway, thanks for the comment
@@redbay8527
I love the Cobra. And I love your videos.
I'm amazed how quickly your "street first" car gets down the track.
Carroll would definitely approve, cup holders and all.
Can we do anything about that clunky shifter?
I feel we're giving up a couple of tenths there.
Seriously, thanks for taking us along for a ride in our dream car.
@@johntempest267 - I've been thinking about building another shifter stick similar to what I had before - it can be seen in this race: ua-cam.com/video/nOHXg4gSp3w/v-deo.html The strange shape of the stick provided about a 2 inch throw from one gear to the next, which was very fast - but there was very little leverage and it was all muscle to shift gears - especially getting it into reverse. The wife had a lot of trouble with it, so I changed it back to a regular "clunky" stick. An easier option might be to just shorten the current stick. Thanks for the comment.
@@redbay8527 I'm hoping to get a cobra at some point and love the cup holder
Red, another awesome race, the Dart is 70's though, mine is a 69', the body style changed in 1970.
'73 as evidenced by the large square front bumper. Must be a near stock motorhome 440 to run that slow.
@@Zero-Fox-Garage :Motor home? 3,200 lbs with a 340, more then likley around 3,400 with a 440. The cobra, 2,600. Advantage:Cobra! Anyone with car KNOWELGE would know that. What do you drive? Contact "Red" and see if he'll race YOU!
@@Zero-Fox-Garage :Naturally, LOOSERS like you have to get personal. Grow up!
I knew a guy who had a 427 Cobra back in 65. People would bow when it drove bye.😆😆
Jim Vetromila - I know what you're saying. Although I've never had anyone bow to it, I've seen about everything else. I've even had women flash their breasts!!!!! I love it when that happens! Thanks for the comment.
Hey RedBay ... your racing the Cobra on the strip. Have you taken to the track yet? It seems to me that the track is where the Cobra will really perform ... on the strip, you're probably much lighter than most of the other competitors and have such a superior power/weight ratio.
Dino Jay - Yes, I've raced at Palm Beach International a few times. The Cobra did real well. It out-powered most of what was there and also out-cornered most of what was there. My tires were the drawback for me. I didn't buy the tires I needed cause I wanted to try it a few times before committing to a set of tires. As it turned out, the trip down there is weather dependent, and if I break the car, I'm stuck down there. It's just a bit much effort and risk to race that far away. I've got a clip from PBIR titled, "AC Cobra has spinout at Palm Beach International Raceway". Check it out - you might like it.
Are those cup holders in a Cobra? I love Cobras.
stewartdeerfield - Yes, those are cup holders - with a small console attached. Let me explain.....Ever since I've owned the car(about 7 years now) I've always operated under the rule that the Cobra is a street car FIRST, and a race car second, and if the wife can't drive it - then I've gone too far with it. Another guy noticed the cup holders, too - YES, cup holders in a Cobra! Hell, without the glove box and the "floor console", I'd have no place to keep stuff - stuff I need when I go driving - like a flashlight, cigarettes and lighters, ash tray, pens and a pad, driving gloves, registration, gate opener, garage door opener, gun, napkins, chap stick, etc. I'm an old man and I don't like doing without all those things - LOL. Also, on race night I need the storage for everything I've mentioned, PLUS - GoPro equipment, like the remote controllers, air gauge, windshield marker, time slips, rags, etc. Rest assured that the console/cup holder is a custom piece. My wife and I ordered one that was close to what we needed and then COMPLETELY disassembled it, cut it up to our specs, then put it back to together the way we wanted it - small, so it doesn't show so bad, and useful. I'll take some pics and post them showing the console/cup holder and what it usually holds. Give me a day or two and watch for it. It also has a hidden radio. But, that's another story. Anyway, thanks for the interest in the car and the questions.
Thanks for the explanation, lucky wife!@@redbay8527
I was at now defunct US-30 Dragstrip in Hobart,IN when Mr. Norm debuted his 440 six-pac Dart.It went low 11's,but should have been in the 10's.
John Runion - The Dart's were one of my favorite cars. The body style made it a perfect mid sized car. I knew a guy with a 383 Dart, and that car was NICE and it was fast. Hard to imagine the sound and performance of a 440 six-pac Dart....Thanks for the comment.
I think cobra would have snake bitten a dart...stock v stock original cars...and the repo cobra here shows why..
At a 13.36 run the Dart is not what it should be, I ran a unmodified 70 Charger R/T 440 single carb 13.86 at 104 MPH stock with 3.23 posi gear set the only thing we did was go on a lightweight program and took out anything we did not need such as spare tire and jack , rear and passenger seats, trunk liner headlight motor and headlights , we were going to take off the trunk lid but thought it would mess up the airflow , With the same engine the lighter Dart should have ran better than it did.
Good show and no surprise! That is not a 60's Dart (early 70's).
1Skeptik1 - I don't know my cars like I used to, thanks for the correction. However, it was a beautiful car and I'm sure the owner has spent a lot of time and money on it. It just looked awesome, and I thought he was going to blow my doors off. Thanks for the comment.
Man that Dart was WEAK!!!! Low 13's/98 mph trap out of a big block mini tubbed dart is horrible.
My thoughts exactly. Maybe it had a 3.23 rear end?
@@sideskraft 440 inches should pull a 3.23 gear no prob. Most likely a smogger 440 out of a motor home. Low comp deal.
@@Allianceoffroad That makes sense.
And your jeep does 20 seconds so what's your point.
@@Moparmaga-1 Look a little deeper buddy. I have a pump gas 10 second Camaro that will GAP the Cobra. Sorry lol!
What kind of motor did the Cobra have?
Bill Johnson - At this time, a Ford 302 stroked to 347.
@@redbay8527
Pretty
Thanks for answering
Do you mind if I ask what rear tires you use. Recently bought a Cobra and the 295/50/15 Goodrich T/A's have zero traction. Was wondering what you're using to get those 60' times.
Scott Stubler - I see you've found out that regular street tires are not enough to get these lightweight Cobras hooked up. I once had the same tire as you, and they were terrible on the street - no traction. I have Mickey Thompson Sportsman S/R for street tires, 26x10 on the front and 26x12 on the rear. I use Mickey Thompson 275/50R15 GT Street R drag radial tires for the track. They are 26 inches tall. I usually leave them on the car and rarely use the rear street tires because of the danger of spinning out with very little throttle. The drag radials wear out fast and only last about 6,000 miles. I always order 3 tires because one of them, it seems, will not balance properly. Also, if you're going to race, you should screw the tire to the wheel - or the tires will spin on the wheel and will become unbalanced. 8 screws on the front and 4 on the back does the job for me. Once, my car developed a severe vibration at the end of the race - and it turned out to be the tires spinning on the wheel. If you have a risk of wet roads, you cannot leave the drag radials on - they lose traction immediately when wet. My Cobra is a permanent convertible, and I never drive on a wet road, so the drag radials are no problem. I subscribed to your channel, and I hope to see some Cobra videos on there soon. Good luck with your car and ask me anything you want...I'll help out whenever I can.
How quick is the cobra
As a matter of fact here on u tube is a video of a mustang laying waste to your beloved demon.
Iggy Fritz - I hear you, Iggy. I'm getting my butt whipped more and more by these new factory cars and have many of my losses on my channel. Thanks for the comment.
It would take a corba 9 outta 10 times if was to place a bet...but ok shit happens
What's impressive is an original has beat snot outta blow cars..nos cars and many fine go fast type low et cars..so is what it is..maybe instead of 4000 lb pound cars the the big 3 should build an all america go kart the weighs about 2000lb .and big brute force v8 with twin super chargers..( no paddle shifter bullshit either) 4 or 6 speed and just beat out 80 to 90 of anything of equal h.p.
Break out the canoe paddle and hit the 4 ways..is waht ya sayin..I got for a ride in a 66..( and original)..2nd was very frightening how fast it launched..
Cup holders in a cobra?
ZEZERBING - GOOD GRIEF!!!! Did you HAVE to notice that???? I've explained it so many times, I just can't do it again. Maybe later......
@@redbay8527 I guess some people don't bother to read previous comments!
ZEZERBING - for a brief explanation of why I have to have the cupholders , read my response to John Tempest above...Thanks for the comment.
Chev..mopar and other fords left in the dust..this is the equivalent to the the p 51 d ..game changer..simple physics all things 2000 lb v 4 or is gonna 8 or 9 outta 10 x
I thought that Cobras were road race cars, kind of strange it being on the strip
Donald Garver - Yes, they're best known for their road racing. But, the nearest track for that is Palm Beach International Raceway and that's a 2.5 hour drive for me. Plenty of chance to get caught in rainy weather - and my Cobra is a permanent convertable. I tried it 3 times, and it's a lot of fun. But, the trip was too much. The drag strip is 20 or so miles from me, so I just defaulted into the drag racing. Hope you like the videos and thanks for the comment.
For well over 50 years old designed to be a Ferrari killer on a road circuit..shelby nailed the Golden formal to a tee...light...enuff h.p...to do want you want.....it's amusing the were sports cars..the just ran amok
And still pack the punch to take most challengers at staging tree ..lol
The Cobra was built to handle and go fast and the Dart was a straight line machine . No Comparison when you price both out
I'm not sure this is a "Real" Cobra because I can't remember Cobras being fitted with cup holders when they were built in the 60s(still awesome though)
craig - No, not a real Cobra, a Hurricane Motorsports kit car that was built in 2007. Still a lot of fun, though. Thanks for the comment.
Like I said mo po still hasn't learned who the real Boss is 😅
Obviously you've never been to the NHRA drags. The hemi has ruled and still rules funny car & top fuel . So who Rules dumbass.. not your pos Ford.
@@bradhardy2629 POS Ford,really? When Force was running the Ford funny cars & daughter in TF, all Ford powered by the way & all winning! If Ford hadn't pulled out they might still be racing Ford power & still winning! Just like Pro Stock,nothing but Chevys there!
@@Mike583 force runs a chevy body with a 500 ci.hemi dumbass and yeah pro stock made mopar add weight to their race cars. Taking the Dodges right out of contention
The time was?
Sarah Watson - the times are given in the description just below the video.
LOL....REAL COBRA'S didn't come with CUP HOLDERS.
S Lit - LOL....This isn't a real Cobra. LOL...And they couldn't do the quarter in 10.9 seconds...LOL ua-cam.com/video/PzUW6gZlu3E/v-deo.html
Another one bites the dust....
Cheeky Monkees - Thanks for the comment, hope you like the racing videos...
I like Cobras more than racing videos. Beautiful car.
Amazing, the guy in the Cobra doesn’t even speed shift...wins easily.
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@@CheekyMonkey1776 - I tried speed shifting just a few days ago - going from 1rst to 2nd. It was violent, and the rear tires started spinning. After doing some research online I've decided not to make a practice of it. Too much damage can result.
That is NOT a "60s" Dart. 1970 maybe?
1Skeptik1 - 60's, 70's - I don't know. But, I think you're right. I try to give the best info I can, but sometimes I fall short of being 100% accurate. After a Google search, I think I'll have to go with 1972 Dodge Dart.?.? I've always liked the Dodge Dart, not too big, and not too small, and with a big block, they were really quick. Thanks for watching my video, though.
@@redbay8527 I had a 68 and a 69 - Not being difficult. Cheers
No contest
Looked like that Dart was having some problems. Poor thing could barely spin the tires. I know it's a lot heavier than the Cobra but with a 440 it should be able to roll those tires.
Veteran Lowboy Driver - Yes, you're right. Seems like it should have been a little quicker, but you never know - could have been trying a new tune, different tire pressures, having trouble, etc. I thought the 60's Darts(this was a 70's car) were really cool cars. Nice, clean body lines, light weight, and they just looked good. I had a friend with a GTS, and had the 383 in it, and man that car would go, and sounded GREAT. I found some data on a 68 with a 383 at 14.6 secs. Same year with a 340 was 14.8 secs, and a 426 Hemi at 13.1 seconds. And a rare 440 ran 13.3 secs. at 107 mph. Check out: www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1968/629285/dodge_dart_gts_2-door_hardtop_426_hemi_v-8_4-speed.html. So, based on these times, this Dart didn't do bad at all. Most people think the older muscle cars were really fast - but today's muscle cars are faster than the 60's cars. The older cars SOUNDED a lot better than today's cars, though. I remember the High School parking lot in 1968 - lots of high performance cars belonging to the "well off" students. Being a military brat, I was relatively poor, so there was no high performance car in my life - LOL. Our family car was a 1966 Chevy Malibu 4-door with a 6 cylinder engine. I did well for myself in life, so after I retired I bought this AC Cobra clone and was able to experience some power. It came with a 350 hp engine, then I installed a 500 hp, then on to the current 615 hp engine. I know you've left comments on my other videos and I appreciate you watching my videos. Take care, and hope to hear from you again.
@@redbay8527 hopefully he got it figured out now. You're right 60s muscle cars, while powerful weren't super fast compared to modern cars, but they were so much cooler! I had a 61 Impala in high school major project car but it was coming together. I swapped the 235 6 cylinder and cast iron powerglide for a 396 350 hp and a 400 turbo transmission. It ran decent for as heavy as it was but the sound was awesome, I love the sound of a healthy big block!!
@@veteranheavyequipmechanic4990 You had a 61 Impala??? That is one of my favorites, and very rare with a big block. One of the greatest classic cars - I bet you wish you still had it.....I think the Super Sport came with a 409, and Ford had the 406???
@@redbay8527 yes!! Very rare with a big block. 61 was a 348 big block the 409 didn't come out till 63. Mine was a 4 door bubble top car, with no post which was really cool. All the trim was on the car and in decent shape. I never got a chance to get it painted unfortunately I put quarters and rockers on it, then I joined the Army and got married and my ex couldn't steer it with the 396 and no power steering
@@veteranheavyequipmechanic4990 what year did you go in the army? I went in in 70 - got out in 75. I'm 69 years old....
It's a 73 Dart
@douglaslane4480 - Really? Damn, I was WAY off on that one. I've always liked those Dodge Darts - in the 60's I saw them with BIG BLOCKS, and I always thought they were the perfect size for a race car. At that time most of the performance cars were big. I was 18 in 1968 and remember seeing all the performance cars. Unfortunately for me, I was the son of a retired Army Sergeant and my family couldn't afford a performance car. We had a 1966 Chevelle with a small 6 banger and a 66 Triumph Spitfire. All my friend's parents owned big American performance cars. I could talk about those times all night. Everything has changed so much since the 60's and that is so sad. I'll tell you one story. I took the Triumph to the shop, the repairman needed a small part for it and asked if I could go get it for him using his car. I said sure as his car was a early 60's Dodge and he had stuffed a 426 Wedge in it. I couldn't believe it? Off I went to the store, nice and slow. Coming back I was stopped at a red light ready to turn left. I looked in the rear view mirror and saw this kid I went to school with that had a hot Corvette pulling up behind me, and also going to turn left. The light turned, and I pulled into the right lane, leaving him the left lane to pass me. I gave it a little bit of gas, he thought I wanted to race and I heard him hit it. When I saw the front of his Vette out of the corner of my eye - I FLOORED IT. It sounded like a bomb going off, and I swear the front of his Vette never got even with the front of my car. I ROARED down the road - way ahead of him. That 426 Wedge was something else. I'll never forget that and from that day on, I always dreamed of having a performance car. Well, thank you for correcting me, and for watching my video. Hope you look at some of the others.
When will these mopo guys ever learn.
Lol i know lots of dodges that would eat this thing i mean its a beautiful car but don't go counting ur chickens before they hatch go see demonology then come back
Patrick Kelley
See Ford Cobra Jet Factory Drag Cars!!!! About 140hp less than the demon and still a second faster!!! And if you want to argue about curves, gt 350 with wwaaayyy less ho than the demon and still weeaaayyyy faster on a road course!!!
I wanna see the cobra vs a 1968 Hurst hemi dart . See ya cobra .
Fantasies are free
@Brad Hardy Putting a drag race only car against a street car/ occasional race car doesn't really seem fair to me! Back in the '60's, there was a 289 Cobra that strictly drag raced.
@@Mike583 troll is right.so it's fair to race a full bodied stock dart with a roadster with a 427 in it . Hmmm . Too bad the hemi dart will smoke any Ford ever made
Brad Hardy 427? it’s a stroked 302
You gotta quit smoking flex seal the hemi dart was slower than a 427 thunderbolt nevermind that a Cobra is a half ton lighter
show a vid when you get waxed, by a real race car ! … not just someone's hobby rod
LTVX2 you must own the Dart , the Cobra was quick in the drag and fast on the track and was a race car ! Always somebody faster than you out there , you just have to lick your wounds when you get waxed !
@@hotchihuahua1546 ...don't have a horse in this race, mr butt-hurt, just making a statement.. wow!
LTVX2 👍🏻
@@LTVX2 You sounded like the butt hurt one in your 1st comment! Besides, this is a street driver/race car! Big difference between it & a strictly race car! But maybe your not smart enough to realize the difference!
@@Mike583 aptly named troll-inder