Least & Most Efficient Kia EV9s Compared! Don’t Expect That Much More Range On RWD
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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Kyle and Jordan compare the efficiency of the EV9 GT-Line and EV9 Light (Long Range) models.
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I just got an EV9 on Saturday. Looked at both the Light LR and GT Line, ended up going with the Light. Loving it so far. Did a drive on Sunday from my house to the EA chargers they have installed at the VW plant in Chattanooga just to feel what a longer trip would feel like. Can't wait for an actual road trip I have coming up in a couple of weeks.
My wife cannot live without the 360 degree camera and the air at least in our market does not get one only the earth or land as your country calls it and GT Line has that camera.
Congrats on the car! You should make a video about your road to experience.
How was your long trip?
Please redo this test in subfreezing temperatures. Very interested to know how much the heat pump matters.
If you mean temps around 0 F it doesn't really matter.
That's easy. Subtract 30% off the range. Saved you watching another video.
@@mowcowbell with the heat pump should be less bad,
@@mowcowbellyou must be new to EV’s.
A heat pump is a heat pump. Its not gonna use that much energy.
Judging by the size of those blades. Likely between 3-4MW tower. There’s several study’s into emissions made to produce them and transport/maintain them and it’s anywhere between 6months to a few years to offset the emissions. The bigger the tower, the shorter the time.
came here to say this. Thanks! Yes, they produce an insane amount of electricity. I remember when 1.5 MW turbines were the best we had. Now those are being torn down, hopefully recycled.
I would only recommend the RWD if you know you won't need AWD and want to save some money because you don't care about 0-60 times as you'll still leave ICE vehicles in the dust at the light.
The difference in range comes down to which settings that you use, how fast you are going, and the extra weight from the AWD models. Note that you will get more range with smaller tires, but AWD with the smaller tires can go just as far as the RWD with the bigger tires. Hope this helps.
Glad I bought the RWD, we have Tesla but this is what we need for family trip so we all can fit in 1 vehicle. The performance is great and loving it so far
No i tested drive gtline in eco mode today. Doing 0-100km/h in about 9 sec, It wont leave many ICE vehicles in the dust.
Re: Wind turbines. These are offset with a year or two of operation, with most turbines having a life of about 25 years. Industry figures are about 6 grams of carbon/kwh of energy produced for turbines vs. 900 grams/kwh at a coal plant, so about 99% lower.
That sign is because of a law Wyoming introduced in 2022, which requires manufacturers testing ADAS to tell the state beforehand, clearly mark the cars on all sides, and carry insurance up to $5m
Kyle you mentioned a few times that EPA testing should allow the car to run eco mode and disconnect the front motor. But remember the new EPA rules don’t allow that. The car maker has to run the car in both the least efficient and most efficient settings and then report the average or if they don’t want to run 2 tests they can choose to report only the least efficient settings result.
I like this head to head tests. Would also like to see this with different cars from different brands
Easy answer to the range discrepancies question Kyle - they conduct their range test in normal mode, or the mode the vehicle defaults to at start. Eco and Sport mode are considered extremes. Same reason Sport modes aren't used for range test by these agencies. Some petrol cars have to get their sport/drag mode uninstalled to be legal in some states.
Hi Kyle and Jordan, Glad that I am planning to buy thr EV9 in a GT Line trim.
Not surprised they are similar when you set them to eco and only run rear wheel drive. I would expect a difference if you run in normal mode and have more stops and acceleration. For me the choice is much more about the price of the car. My EV6 is the RWD because it’s cheaper. I really don’t think most people have a use for AWD unless the RWD doesn’t have enough power as it sounds like the EV9 may. I say spend that extra money on good winter tires instead (Nokian maybe 🙂)
19:04 According to the latest research, the carbon payback for windmills varies from 4.5 to 12.3 months.
The large range difference between the two models in the EPA testing is most likely due to the tests being run in key up settings and not the in most efficient drive seting.
I really enjoy your enthusiasm and the way you presented the two Kia EV9s. So well done! 🙌🏼
Yes! The independent lane-centering feature needs to be adopted by more automakers-- 🎉
Best part of the channel: these tests.
Did not see the value in this test by only driving 58 miles. Kyle’s conclusion was that both models have same efficiency so no difference. Kyle knows better than this, too short of test to get overall efficiency comparison. Based on OOS’s own range tests of these vehicles, the RWD base did 278 mi 2.8 mi/kw and the AWD GT line did 260 mi (Kyle got 266 mi but he kept putting the car in neutral down hills at the end so did that for at least 6 miles so I adjusted … you can’t counting coasting in N as part of your total range) so 2.6 mi/kw … so that is the difference. Both performed a little worse than EPA estimates. But day-in and day-out the base RWD is more efficient and has a longer range. They are not the same.
I think it'd be much more interesting to see the difference between the non-long range version and the GT Line, as the weight of the battery is of course going to make the biggest difference in efficiency and the amount of time you have to spend at charging stations.
These triple nerd score videos are my favorite Out of Spec content!
Hi I always enjoy your videos because you teach us so much. I need help understanding the final analysis. For us non tech people you have to keep it simple. You start out telling us the range of the vehicles are close and you said the test would show they are even closer. At the start one was 270 miles and the other was 304 miles. At the end you didn’t give the projected ranges of the vehicles.
Great content as always. That mangekyo sharingan rim on that KIA though 🙏
Purchased my wife an EV9 this past Friday....Exactly one week later, I purchased myself one. We were absolutely blown away at how much space it has, the technology, the ride quality, the quietness, the size etc. It's a REALLY great car. IMO
Really really interesting on the odometer difference between the two cars. When we purchased a Niro, I asked the dealership about buying a set of the aerodynamic wheels to put on the higher trim level and they were adamant that the speedometer/odometer is calibrated between the trim lines and the different size tire would cause the speed/odometer to be off. This is kinda showing to me at least that when the tire used is just like 1% different circumference KIA might not even calibrate for the new size.
And maybe its still not a worry because tire wear will still change the circumference anyway
Awesome test, really interested to see if you notice a difference with Ioniq trims. Also curious if you have a set of calipers to measure tread wear in the future; I know you mentioned both of these were "broken in" but since you're big on data collection anyway it'd be yet another data point haha
Volvo's are just like this, not sure if tire shops can tell the car of circumference changes but the dealer can flash the gauges to read the right speed for rim/ tire size
I know my Soul with 18"s isn't properly calibrated as it is overestimating my speed. And the dealer said they couldn't calibrate it. 2017 Brownstone special edition.
I think I know why the EPA range is so much lower on the GT. It has 2 motors, and remember that the new rule the EPA made was that you have to rate your vehicle in the worst performing (milage wise) driving mode that persists between starts (i.e. when you get in the vehicle it is still set). So the deference in milage is probably not in the eco mode you were driving in but in sport mode. In Eco mode they probably drive very similar (as you discovered), but in sport mode it will have both motors engaged on the GT pretty much all the time, and it will be much more aggressive than the rear wheel drive version. It is a thought, try them both in sport mode and see. I have been worried ever since the EPA made those changes that though the ratings are now more conservative, what they really do is penalize performance vehicles that allow you to keep the sport mode engaged.
Great test and interesting results, likely the big thing will be heat pump with or without will make a marginally noticeable difference.
Jordan I wish Tesla would do mi/kWh. My first two EVs were that way, and I hate kwh/mi in my Tesla
Take them both off Eco and see if that makes any difference. I think we will be getting the GT trim and also likely, we will get the vehicle from your Fort Collins Kia. Thanks for the informative video
I second this idea and more hilly terrain where the front motor might kick in more..? Thanks for all your testing!!
On our Ioniq 5 eco makes a very small difference, it changes the listed range from like 256 to 261 on a full charge. It just makes the accelerator pedal less sensitive so the car is less responsive and slower.
@@SkaBobYeah, I dont see much of a difference in my Taycan either. Eco disengages the front motor, lowers the car and puts AC/heating in a lower "eco" mode. I havent noticed maybe a couple miles difference, so I stopped using it.
The GT-Line was not being driven in ECO, the gauges show yellow power bars instead of turquoise colored bars.
Uh-oh 😮. But I guess that bodes well for the car though results are mostly expected
One thing that needs to be tested here is city driving. They may go the same distance on the highway with the motor disconnect on the higher trim, but that might change with stop and go traffic. If you are engaging and disengaging that second motor more frequently, I bet there's a larger difference between the two on overall efficiency.
That’s impressive, given that the GT Line uses much larger wheels and tires. The Hankook Ion EV tires are pretty impressive.
I’m looking forward to getting 2.5mi/kwh. With the rain and (somewhat) cold that we’ve been getting here, I’ve been getting closer to 2.0-2.1 pretty consistently. But my Ioniq5 would only get 2.5-2.6 in the same conditions, so it’s really not substantially worse given how much bigger the car is.
It’s going to be murder when I have to replace these tires though.
Thank you so much for this test. I want the versatile of AWD EV over a RWD but was always worry about the real range is always so much lower that the stated range for road trips, but knowing the AWD it's actually gets very close to the stated range because it's basically a RWD in ECO mode on road trips has really calmed that fear. I'm so much more leaning towards a Hyundai/Kia (with V2X) over a Model Y now. Can't wait for the Ionic 7 to come OUT and for the US Hyundai Plan to open ... 2025/2026 will finally be my year to switch to an EV I think.
Good to know.
In the Wind trim for the EV6, AWD gets you the heat pump, This experiment suggests that this is a win for real world range. My dilemma is that I would need to balance the HUD (which I would like) against the sunroof (which I hate). I expect I will save the money and stay with the Wind.
I love the HUD on my GT Line EV6. No regrets going for it. I only wish they would have made it available on lower trims. Heat pumps should also be standard
The extra weight won’t make much difference on flat straight roads. It will make a bigger difference in the city, start-stop, and in the mountains. You’ll get some of the extra energy you used to accelerate the heavier vehicle in re-gen, but not all.
Riding around in the city for 350 miles is exactly what we all want to see. I've searched and the videos don't exist. 😊
Just bought the cheapest model S Long range 2020, $32K in Chicago! If u want me to do any testing let me know!
Exploring aspects of efficiency is very interesting. Please do the comparisons of the Ioniq 5 and others to see if all of the EPA estimates are inaccurate. Doing more about regen also would be interesting. I recently tried turning the regen off in my 2019 Kia Niro and according to the guages it seemed to be producing just as much regen using the brakes.
Jordon your comment.. city 250 mile . I do that alot driving Uber in my ID 4. I really need to get some of those vids up. Anyway EV 9, for Minnesota I'd need the awd /heat pump and 70k too rich. But I'll certainly keep an eye on them as they come off leases
What are your thoughts on the bucket seats while ubering? People expect to pile 3 people in. And then having to get in the 3rd row will delay them getting in
For my market it would work as I generally have just 1-2 passengers (working morning instead nights..16,000 rides ). I have 3 Colleges/University , Hospital, clinics, manufacturing..most people going to or getting off from work or school instead of 4-5 -6 people going partying to the bars or picking up from the bars. That said I believe you can order the bench seat on the EV 9 if you run the night shift. I had mentioned in another post I'd love to haul the College students in the ID Buzz ..pretty cool ride for them (and me..I'd enjoy it) but I'd have a hard time going to less range than I have in the ID 4. Still lots of new EVs coming ,I'm in the iD 4 for another year . So no big rush for me . ID 4 is working really wel at this point. @@markrichards9792
Get the land version with tow smaller wheels I believe it’s 280 vs your gt 270
No video side mirrors in the US? They are cameras with small LCD screens in Australia on GT Line
Not legal
Beautiful, sunny, mild 57F day....I wouldn't be surprised if solar cabin heating contributed more over resistive and heat pump to maintain 70F. Great test though!
I ordered at GT Line and was wondering if I was giving up much range (real world), thanks for doing this test!
Your driving speed, temperature, elevation, and wind are the biggest factors when it comes to range. Driving it on the highway at 80 mph in sport mode up a mountain at 0 degrees with wind in your face will significantly reduce the range. If you have no question about the range, drive it the way you want to but if it will be close, keep it in Eco mode closer to 65-70 mph.
These are the results that were pretty much expected with the Ioniq 5 and EV6 as well since they do the same thing with the motor disconnect, yet we see a substantial difference in range between those in AWD vs RWD. Do we have any idea why that is?
Still waiting for that Ioniq 5 or EV6 AWD vs RWD range test on same size wheels....
If you're using cruise control it automatically disconnects the front motor, you get little extra from eco mode
I had really wanted to see this on Ioniq 5. And I guess still do. Was always very confused by the EPA range variance.
I thought I had read that EPA testing requires use in all modes, which would include sport that always engages the front motor but if it’s all in normal it really doesn’t make sense.
Great test, thanks guys. New subscriber
I would expect the AWD GT to get lower efficiency when both motors are engaged. This test showed both vehicles in RWD mode only and on highway so obviously the results would be similar.
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Jordan did not drive the GT-Line AWD in ECO mode as they intended to. He drove it in NORMAL mode and switched to ECO mode when he pulled into the chargers at the end of the drive.
I saw one in Denver today, first time
Would the difference be greater on a day to day commute lower speed drive?
AWD might be on more often.
I guess... 🙂
Did you guys check the tire pressure on both? Our ev9 GT Line had 58 PSI on each tire from the dealership. 🙄. Over inflation could of played a role in making one more/less efficient.
When you switch from normal to 'eco' , the yellow bars in the speedometer (both left right and bottom position) turn to light-green color, right? But Jordan's screen still showed yellow bar. Does that mean Jordan forgot to switch to 'eco' mode, and leaving the front motor working? If he did forget , you may wanna do this test one more time the result could be even closer, or identical.
Great test! Would love to see the Ionic 5 tested!
Mileage difference is from the difference in the wheel size - which is surprising. That is an issue for Kia to fix.
The car have more efficient ADAS options.
You can setting more slow acceleration, slow deceleration.
It make big difference efficiency in highway.
An interesting test would be to weigh the RWD as much as the AWD and redo this test. Point is, seeing how much the range difference is due to eight and extra motorisation energy cost.
Thanks Kyle!
Reminded me of your r1t large vs max pack tests which caused such a kerfluffle, when you proved how little difference there was. 😀👍🏻
The wheels and tires can make a huge difference. In my experience the actual difference between RWD and AWD is not that much at higher speeds since Hyundai/Kia physically disconnect the front motor on their AWD EVs meaning there’s no extra drag (other than the extra weight).
Please do a video with some light off-roading. Can the EV9 handle USFS trailhead approach roads without damaging the battery or getting stuck.
For winter, hills and steep uphills on ice? Which one would be preferred between AWD and RWD?
I own Ioniq 5 Limited AWD, and went with that over EV6 (though I preferred the interior of the EV^, liked the look of both) because the Hyundai had more interior cargo room over the Kia. I am SOLD on EV9, and I'm trying to decide between Land and GT-Line trim; trying to decide whether air suspension is worht extra money? AS far as the small battery, Reason to buy besided teh $55k price is as a in town car for a parent driving kids around, and I think it could make a great uber/lyft car as well for that price? I mean, the Land/GT-Line would be nicer for that purpose, but a %55k car to drive around town, which cnan do trips from time to time is a great family value!
BTW, I am looking for feedback, if you're a GT-Line or Land owner who either things you could have gone for other trim or think your trim is perfect, please reply and let me know? Thanks!
I love the Ice green color, though I like the blue.
Jordan, you asked how long does it take to offset the carbon emissions on the turbine blades. Here in Spain the past 4 days electricity feed-in rates have been negative and even when billed its been low single digits per kWh.
About the wind turbine carbon offset , i was curious so I made the calculation.
Assuming you are comparing electricity production in comparison to natural gas and coal plant, here are the number :
This is probably a wind turbine of 6MW , and most windmills runs about 45% efficiency annually, so that produce 23 millions kWH annually with 0 emissions.
The equivalent coal and natural gas plant would generate respectively 11 000tm and 7000 tm of CO2 annually. Life expectancy of a wind turbine is about 30year, so you will save about 350 000tm of CO2.
Of course their is emissions from the manufacture and construction of the wind turbine , but so does the coal power plant, not to mention the mining/extraction of the coal itself
I think Jordan was mentioning the emissions cost of the transportation; how much carbon is expelled while trucking the turbine blades across the country to the point of installation. Probably fairly small, and may also be similar to the pipelines involved with natural gas
@@Nerd_Bird in this case, about 1kg /km per tonnes
They should be awd from factory these things are tanks 😊
23% battery used. The difference probably scales over a 100% batter used. But ya probably so that the difference on a nice day is margin of error and discrepancy in mileage. Would be nice to track mileage gps and compare which tires are more accurate.
Pretty funny this WH/mi is very similar to the Cybertruck which weighs 7000 pounds!
Unsold EV9's sitting on lots all over. Dealers here already discounting them $8K off sticker. Buyers not in a rush should wait a few more months and snag an even better price.
Where are they selling for $8K not counting the Kia rebate
@@rhuynh okc
25:39 the cruise control is less strict on Eco mode and allows the speed to rise and fall. This should happen less in the Normal mode.
Interesting takeaway: we need another digit in mi/kwh figures (e.g. 2.54 vs 2.5 mi/kwh).
Very good test, I am waiting for Hyundai Ioniq 5 comparison or Kia EV6! Hyundai Ioniq 5 will be more interesting.
I would like to see the same test with the ioniq 6.
They need to make EV's that can go well over 400 miles to make it worth the while vs owning a Gas SUV.
Hello Kyle and Jordan
Could care less about the range difference. I need the lights in my bumper. 😊
Another thing to look at would have been the battery % rather than the miles/kWh because as you discovered: The speedometer/odometer difference between the car can affect the calculation slightly, plus it rounds to the nearest 10th, etc. Looking directly at battery % consumed avoids these issues (assuming you use enough battery)
Both cars left at 60% state of charge. If you would have driven a bit further you could have used the battery % to get a more accurate idea of the difference in consumption. (Should have also charged to 100% to ensure the BMS in both battery packs were both synced at exactly 100%)
In this test you didn't drive far enough to get a real accurate measurement... but when you returned: I could see in the video the GT-Line was at 36% and the Light LR was at 37%. That means the GTL used roughly 1kWh more energy for the drive than the Light LR did, which is roughly 4% more energy consumed per mile. Using more battery would increase the precision a bit.
Even going off percentages might not be enough of a difference. One might be at 36.8% but read 36% while the other is 37.0%. Unless you go into the actual sensors you won’t be able to tell the difference
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I have a 2024 EV9 GT-Line AWD and it’s a fantastic car. Nearly silent inside, and very quick. If you want a fast EV9, get one of the AWD models. The RWD model is underwhelmingly slow, even in comparison to ICE vehicles, and not fun in comparison to the AWD.
That automated driver assist sign cracked me up the last time I ventured up there.
Seeing $6K off on GT's in S.FL, so $70K ain't all bad for what you get. That said, I bet the discounts continue to increase, given state of economy.
The black color is aurora black or phantera metal ?
Heat pump or not will be a big differentiator. I think. Looking forward to you guys doing a cold weather test.
Does the RWD have taller tires? If the instrument cluster is not calibrated to the tire size (e.g. calibrated for 19 inch but running 20) it will think you are going slower and not as far as you actually do
When will you post a video on the vindast vf8?
Two EV9's is better than one...Kyle how do you keep all those EV's clean?
Do they both have heat pump?
No. GT line does. The black long range doesn’t
9:21
The GT line could have more miles and less tread, that can make a small difference in speed
Ev9 road trip video please at least one trip.
Did you guys say you both ended up with 36% of battery left?
Leased the Wind. Can't wait to drive!!!!
How much and how much did you put down?
How much and down
Well that's disappointing to hear. I expect it's probably the same in the ev6. I bought the rwd because I expected significantly better range. :-(
Because this test is built wrong. If you look at the EPA data, the main difference between RWD and AWD is in city use, and that hasn't been tested. RWD gets MPG 100 in the city and AWD only 88.
Were tire pressures ... the same?
Any difference in towing capacity?
GT-Line can tow 5,000 because of the rear air suspension and towing package. Without that, it can tow 3,500 lb.
Model 3 standard vs Model 3 Long range 🤔 or others brand (Models) with similar range differences
2 miles per kwh is what the f150 gets right?
I'm just gonna call Jordan "Near as makes no Difference".
What app do you use to GPS verify the speed? How about 0-60 testing?
Built in GPS will display vehicle speed in addition to the regular speedometer. Haven’t messed around with it to see if it’s generating data via GPS or just mirroring what’s on the speedometer, though.
Just saw my first EV9 in Indiana today, the piano gray is SO much better than the piano black. The stupid touch controls right below the screen is a deal breaker.
I like the black best
Only makes sense in the base spec. Otherwise a Model X or R1S is a no brainer given they have the credit which brings them down to just over $70k.