Riversong was one of the most interesting characters in television only doctor who could pull something like a backwards timeline off and to think they had it all planned out back in season 4
+Zaphod “Memelord” Beeblebrox They didn't have it planned out. Moffat actively chose to give Amy the last name Pond to use the already existing character.
@@PrincessofEllabur Nope, because that's not how recurring characters work. Even if a character atomized the second they appeared in screen every instance of them shown on the show after that counts as them "recurring".
I loved the concept and the complexity of the story, but I thought Alex Kingston was wrong for the part. Her personality and the Doctor’s shouldn’t really get on, since he hates guns and people knowing more about something than he does.
That was rivers personality though...she was a psychopathic murderer, how do you expect her to act? Alex was great for the part, she made her performance believable.
literally who dislikes river song. also the doctor doesnt hate guns, thats more of a front, he just hates what hes capable of doing with a gun, he HAS been a war hero after all. Its why he prefers talking, because even without a gun he can do so much damage.
River's life is so confusing. As she gets older and her future grows, the Doctor gets younger and his future hasn't even quite begun. Quite honestly, I think her life is the most intricately written story ever. It was planned YEARS before her real adventure even began. It was planned YEARS before the next Doctor regenerated. Years and years of actually character planning to create just a single story! It just shows how much attention to detail and correct storylines and time travel/time lines the writers can actually comprehend and construct. That's on of my favorite things from the show, because everything connects so well in the end that you basically slap yourself for not knowing it sooner. Throws you for a loop, but a hell of a good one!
Really? I find that view hard to swallow. It was so detailed. So many tiny details woven in so far in advance that when yo go back and watch it again it's quite insane how much clear planning went into it.
The first time when you see River dying in that episode on the 4th season you think: "oh that is sad." And when you finally know her whole story and you watch that episode again you think:"oh nooooo why. This is realy realy saaad. God noo!!"
Sophie Prinz IKR! I want to cry hard... >.< I wish at the final episode (the 13th doctor; current and last) would revive her (Probably can't sadly...) or even better, go with her... THAT WOULD BE THE BEST DOCTOR WHO ENDING EVER!
Actually in the right order (of her timeline, not the episodes) her last words were “goodbye sweetie” when she came back as a ghost after she had already died in the library
@@myrrthes Personally I would not count that. I think the original comment, and how I'd like to see it, would be River's first and last words to the Doctor. But now since I know her last words as a 'ghost' are "Goodbye Sweetie" and her first are "Hello Sweetie"... I'm unsure if I want to have the true first and last words or the first and last words River said to the doctor as the answer. Both are so sweet and heartbreaking. The true words are backwards for the Doctor's timeline with her, which makes it fucking sad, but her last words to the Doctor makes it like a last-ditch effort to laugh off her inevitable fate- holy shit I can't stop rambling no idea where I was going with this, Doctor Who is a sad ass series in general.
"...The day’s coming when I’ll look into that man’s eyes-my Doctor-and he won’t have the faintest idea who I am. And I think it’s going to kill me..." (River Song, The Impossible Astronaut)
I can't watch The Library anymore without going into fits. Hell, I can't watch most of the early Doctor/River scenes without going into fits. I hope she gets reunited with him, someday. She's one of the only companions to truly know and accept all of him, regardless of his regenerations. It's kind of beautiful.
Dude with Series 11 episode... ah 9. Not going to spoil too much in case you haven't seen it, but let's say everyone's loved ones get shown except one of the female companions (Which was so weird btw) and the Doctor. I thought for sure River would be there for the Doctor and I was so pissed when it wasn't.
@@QuackUp 1. wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff, so the Doctor could literally bump into River before she dies. 2. You'd think with how much the show tries to show that weird human social standards don't matter (sexuality, gender, appearance, etc) the fans would catch on and learn to not care as much, or that the people watching would be people who are more open to that kind of stuff. I'm kind of surprised you've made it this far and kudos to you with all the gay stuff and the selfcest going on in this series already. How many times has the Doctor been kissed by another man? Or when the Master and Missy were aggressively flirting with each other and there was even a scene where Missy pushed the Master up against a wall and he literally asked if it was bad he was turned on by that. 3. I'm not really judging you, because personality, as long as you're not a straight up homophobe and pushing all your ideals onto everyone I don't mind what you think. I'm just genuinely surprised you've made it this far and are still not comfortable with a lesbian relationship (When Bill was gay and had a relationship with Heather, Clara was bi, River's actor said River would not give a shit, there was also the couple Vastra and Jenny, and well even though Jack is a man, he's gay. All of these are canon btw).
One thing River Sing didn't know was that as she aged the video quality would change from 1080 to standard definition. Now that's a real Doctor Who paradox.
Actually she says at her second regeneration that she would run her aging process backward "just to freak people out" ....that's script attention to detail to cover plot-cracks!
River Song was the most amazing thing that could have ever happened to this show. When you watch her whole story laid out in front of you like this, it makes you have those "oh yeah I remember that!" moments. It was confusing, seeing some of her past and some of her future completely out of order, but in the end, it all makes sense, and it's the most amazing thing. This show is great in so many ways, but so much effort was put into the River Song story, and I think it was the most great thing about Doctor Who.
Ah okay, that makes sense. When I realized River was Amy and Rory's daughter, I completely forgot about that little girl in New York, so it confused me how the baby went from her to Mels.
This is so horribly heartbreaking when you see it from her perspective....but so beautiful at the same time. For me Doctor Who is right up there with Harry Potter as some of the most incredible fiction I've ever come across because of characters and and stories like this. And really, this is just a background detail compared to the rest of the show. Completely and utterly beautiful.
+Blaze Flames (Knight of Heart) Well if she's a Timelord then she's blonde because their species genetics work differently than ours. If Timelords can change their face and every cell in their body it probably means their children NEVER end up looking like them. There would be no purpose for it. Because if the parent is dying and begins to regenerate, the child can't do the same. And if the child can't pick a face to resemble it's parents, then what the point in looking like them to begin with?
I usually don't like the doctor being romantic but I was crazy about River Song and in this case it worked. She's awesome , they're awesome and Matt Smith and Alex Kingston pulled it off brilliantly.
+Theawesomegamer samfred The 10th Doctor is the 11th regeneration and the 10th face to call himself "The Doctor". The War Doctor is the 9th regeneration of the Doctor but is not the Doctor because he denounced that title.
does anybody else find it almost heart breaking that when we see river song regenerate as a child we are also witnessing her heart stop for a moment? that she actually died right then and that's why she regenerate?
I think that. Or the fact that she was a literal, living breathing child, who was living completely alone to on the streets with no help until the point of death. DEATH. Like...that’s so heart breaking. If she didn’t have the ability to regenerate then she would just be a child who starved to death alone on the street. (She still technically is. Just came back) 💔
"Crash of the byzantium, have we done that?" I hate that line because surely she noticed that the Tenth Doctor is definitely NOT the same one as the one in the Crash of the Byzantium.
julia0315 Yup,I agree, also, she talked to Donna about how she knows her and what will happen to her, if River knew Donna was from his past, why would she think Ten is a future Doctor?
A though: The Doctor technically still hasn't told River his name yet. He said he did, but he lied about that and just said "look into my eyes". He also hasn't given her the sonic screwdriver. Knowing Moffat, if he can get Alex Kingston back he definitely will because he never leaves things like that open. Summary of that comment: River has to come back because The Doctor hasn't told her his name yet or given her the sonic.
The Angels Take Manhattan is missing. From what I can tell, it happens just before River's last meeting with the Doctor for her. Their timelines are mostly synced up at that point, except for River not having done the library yet, obviously.
This put everything about River Song into a perspective that's often hard to understand to understand on the show, but now I see how tragic her life is. Imagine growing more in love with a person only for them to slowly not know you. Not to mention, her calm character. She doesn't fear what going to happen in the early episodes because she's already lived everything. She knows everything will work as long as she is by his side. My god, I love RIVER SONG!!
It is a clever loop. The Eleventh Doctor had to figure out a way to save River Song. The Twelfth Doctor gave her the screwdriver. The Tenth Doctor saved her with it after seeing her die.
It's not, there's a mini episode where Matt's Doctor and River try to go on a date to see the singing towers, and he does have a suit, but they never actually go there. It was Capaldi who takes her to Darillium and gives her a screwdriver that would Tennant's Doctor use to save her.
Holy shit. Watching this in the correct order makes the library scene ten times more emotional. ESPECIALLY when you remember that the christmas special happened right before that episode.
One thing everyone seems to have completely missed is, River is missing a Regeneration. Her first Regeneration was in 1969, Amy was born in 1989 and River didn't start growing up with Amy until she met her at school. She didn't obtain the Vortex Manipulator from Dorium until she was River. Which means there's a missing 25 years between 1969 and 1994, where she had to have regenerated one other time; otherwise, she would've been an adult in her Early 30's when she first met Amy.
+Domihork there isn't any logic in dr who, to be honest the same came be apply to rose's dad episode or the fact that melody name. For a science fiction show sometime the show lack scientific facts to gain the viewers and create complex characters.
hey one thing is bugging me in the pandrica opens how would river know where was amys house was and secondly when the river is flying the tardis she says to the Doctor AN EXTERNAL FORCE IS FLYING THE TARDIS. the doctor says he will investtigate but he never did he was busy with mels and the newly weds (amy and rory) .what was the external force that flew it and where was it supposed to land and whaat caused the tardis to exploed please awnser this has being on mind since season 4
It WOULD be nice, but since they, um, _borrowed_ it from the BBC through the DVD extra it came from, I doubt they know how to add any more parts onto it. 😄 They should just be thankful the BBC hasn't said cease and desist and had it yanked off here. As should we, for that matter, LOL!
River Song war meiner Erachtens einer der besten Figuren der Serie und ich vermisse sie. Der Doktor und River hatten diese besondere Art von Beziehungen. Das fehlt in den neuen Folgen irgendwie! Ich hoffe, dass River zurück kommt und das währe theoretisch möglich, da Rivers Zeitlinche ganz anders wie die des Doktors verläuft, so kann jederzeit etwas eingeschoben werden! River Song ist einfach nur großartig!!!!❤
Jayfive276 www.google.co.uk/search?q=karen+gillian+hot&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCMQsARqFQoTCLbBmJPerscCFQzpFAodCXgBoQ&biw=1280&bih=891#tbm=isch&q=karen+gillan+hot One search. Done.
Where is this audio of River explaining her timeline from? I've never heard this in any episode or mini-episode as far as I can remember. Or was this an extra on a DVD, I'm really not sure...
I love that The Angels Take Manhattan, The Husbands of River Song and The Name of The Doctor give River back some happiness, where the Doctor finally knows her as much as she knows him 😊😊
i cried rewatching silence of the library and forest of the dead oh my god river’s story arc is one of the most intricate of all in the whoniverse and it just gets me every time
Ohkay i cried..... After looking at the events from River's point of view, i realize how awful would it have been for her. Always thinking about the next meeting with the love of your life knowing that he will always know you less than he did before. And a day will come when he won't even know who you are...
The events in Husbands of River Song makes it better, though. I mean, still as heartwrenching, but she gets time with him when they both know each other equally.
Aleah Ray I think she doesn't because the doctors future is her past so that means she doesn't exist yet or maybe I'm wrong because you know timey wimey.
when the part of her saying she good with a gun, give whole new meaning to Silence falls" now doesn't it.... i forgot she killed lots of them in that episode.
Another temporal perspective: The last words the Doctor speaks to River Song are unknown, being more than two decades after they first had Christmas dinner on Darillium, and before the events of "Doctor Mysterio." I like to think that he finally confessed his #love for her. .
7:35 One thing bothered me about this scene and River swinging around in a circle like that and shooting the Silence dudes. If she's spinning around how could she remember where the Silence dudes were that were behind her?
After I watched all of the episodes with River in them I went back and watched the silence of the library, and I cried. I didn't cry when I first watched it....😢
when you realise from rivers perspective her husband is slowly becoming senile as he ages and forgets everything about her while becoming more mistrusting of her :O
Russle t Davis ( sorry if I spelt his name Rong ) left gaps for the next writers to fill in ..... That's so clever ....... Like crash of the bizantium (if that's spelt write I will be surprised ) that's a good episode
So I'm an idiot and never realized that she was the little girl in the space suit. And I just re watch those episodes. I'm feel ashamed of myself right now.
There was a "Timeline" video on UA-cam once (since been deleted) that included much, well, better footage (in my opinion) than this. It included bits from the Name of the Doctor, and also video from the Webisodes (again, mostly deleted), including First Night and Last Night - incredible moments from Matt Smith and Alex Kingston that we may never see again. This one is well done, but not nearly the "passion and feels" that the other video had.
This is from a DVD extra, so they didn't put it together, just posted it - they should feel lucky the BBC hasn't noticed it yet and said cease and desist, LOL!
Silence in the library and Forest of the dead are two of my favourite Who episodes and I can remember how intrigued I was by the whole River/Doctor reverse parallel relationship idea. However looking back now, I feel less than thrilled with what that original idea eventually became. All the writers really had to do was take note of the references to River's past within that two part story and expand upon those points in future River centric episodes. There was honestly no need for her story to bleed into a three series long plot twist. But no, she became a fan favourite so they stretched her origin out in episode after episode. Which ultimately resulted in overly confusing plot additions to an already somewhat audience confusing concept. Creating continuity issues that didn't need to be exist. It could have been one of the best sci-fi tales ever told on television, but it turned into something very sloppy and over intricate.
***** I wouldn't call it sloppy, nor over intricate (if anything, ironically enough, it needed to be *more* intricate than it was -- the lack of certain key intricate points is what led to certain narratives being not as good as they could have been). However, Moffat *could* have done a lot more with River than he did, and bogging her down into Amy/Rory's storylines as heavily as he did by making her their daughter detracted from elements that would have played out wonderfully for her (Example: although it would have been written/handled differently, the whole "splintered through time" subplot that was given to Clara should have *really* been *River's* -- that would have made her think that she had more of a "future" relationship with the Doctor across more incarnations than she did, and makes her realizing that her relationship with him ended in the Library even more poignant than it was originally. Even Clara's getting to see --albeit briefly -- the Doctor as a young boy on Gallifrey is something that again should narratively have belonged to River... it would have continued Moffat's borrowing of elements from "The Time Traveler's Wife" in describing/relating the Doctor's and River's relationship...). >sigh
tideoftime By Intricate what I really mean is they tried to over complicate the concept of River by threading her into as many stories as possible because she became a fan favourite. Ultimately she didn't need to feature in as many episodes as she eventually did and I feel most of those episodes would have benefited more from her absence I agree with you that the plot elements of Clara's origin story would have felt better with River as the crux, but there's no use crying over spilt milk now.....I guess. It's just another problem I have with Moffat's writing as a whole. He tends to use such a historically vast and uniquely conceptualized universe in very small ways. A friend and I were talking recently about one particular subject. Why are all the Cybermen the Doctor meets in New Who from the same generation. Once they appear with a new look, that same look continues in every episode thereafter. He's a time traveller ideally he would come into contact with many varied designs of Cyberman from throughout history. Yet the same design of Cyberform introduced on a parallel world and designed by a single man (John Lumic) simply appear back in our reality two seasons later and in 1851. I mean come on Moffat, it would be good to know you at least attempt to think these things through.
***** I think you are misperceiving a few aspects of the ongoing narratives involved, particularly relative to River. It wasn't that Moffat had tried to shoe-horn her into as many stories as possible because she had become popular as a character -- it had *always been* his intention to have her as a recurring companion for the Doctor, due to her temporal subplot. All of the stories she appears in have direct, causal narrative links to her ongoing (albeit out-of-order) storyline, whether because it is linked to the Church, her birth/death, her growing up, or her losing her parents/the Doctor. That's not "shoe-horning" anything relative to the character. (Even the brief cameos -- beyond her regularly involved episodes -- in the second half of the 2011 season were merely set-ups for the season finale of that year, and therefore justified.) As far as the Cybermen's appearance (or similar-such production citations), I think some people tend to forget a very important thing about DW, as a series, that while not as true as it was during the Classic Era is still true today: *they don't have a big budget*. Once a particular amount of money has been spent to build a new Tardis control room, update a monster's look, establish that a character will be recurring, etc., that expense has to be *justified* by be used as much as possible during the production era it was created in. It's a sad fact of DW/BBC economics. Is that annoying to some of the more purist-minded of us (myself included, on occasion)? Sure. But it's understandable from a business POV. If DW had the proportional budget that, say, the Star Trek series of the 80's/90's had, then such considerations could be taken into account as the show would have the budget to cover "x, y and z". Unfortunately, they don't. #SadButTrue
Well let me ask you this question. Is River's story done (considering in her last appearance was that of the "saved" version from Forest of the dead), or could she return? There were many references in both Silence in the library and Forest of the dead to her past involving the Doctor. Most notably acquiring a version of the tenth Doctor's screwdriver. This has since never been shown and is an aspect of the characters history and relationship with the Doctor I would still like to see. I simply believe that River's story could and should have been simplified. I don't feel many of the episodes in which she featured were ultimately needed because it was those very episodes that further added plot points that required her return. Whether or not the series of events were planned out well in advance or not, I still feel very let down by the results. Just because Doctor Who is science FICTION, that shouldn't mean it doesn't have to make sense within the boundaries of the universe that it has created. As for my Cyberman reference, I fully understand that budget may be an issue and I was going to mention that in my previous statement. However when considering budget I'm sure this will mean we will be seeing the previous Cyberman (introduced in 2006) return for future episodes? As using these older (already existing) costumes would save on said budget. But of course that wont happen because the Cyberman have now upgraded to walk with the gait of Robocop and adapt almost instantly to any defence like some low-grade Borg rip-off. .........Sigh . .
***** Again, I think you're looking at things from a POV that isn't supportable by the series. We were *never* going to see all of the Doctor's/River's relationship; in fact, we were only ever going to see highlights of it, with extra-narrative aspects (Easter Island, Jim the Fish, Picnic at Asgard, their final "date" at the Singing Towers, et al) being simply and neatly covered via expositive reference by River/whoever in conversation. (And to cite again, we *know* that the Doctor givers River the screwdriver at the their last date, and in the minisode "First Night/Last Night", we even see them right before going on said date... that covers that narrative well enough, certainly....) As far as not seeing River again -- we *can* see her again, of course, in an episode with 12, and even (no doubt to your chagrin) have references to them seeing each other at different points "short-handed" into a conversation (or not, works either way), as it can be an earlier version of her; equally, River's story can be *done* now, as both she and 11 ended on a (finally) equal footing, being able to say goodbye to each other at roughly an equal end of their relationship (11 knows practically everything, and River has been dead for anywhere from years to millennia on end). As far as the Cybermen and related details/citations, it also comes down to a point of how much "x" can be used/employed in the comparatively limited time they have for a season (12-14 episodes a season, with no real fixed narrative "home base", as it were, like with the various ST series or even as they were back in the UNIT heyday of the early 70's, so each episode is essentially starting from scratch each time, from a production POV). While physical costumes and such exist from a decade or more ago, the viability of "changing pace", as it were, comes with meta-narrative considerations: the broader, general audience can be thrown by shifting production aspects (as some, for example, apparently were with the 2014 season, resulting in the greatest degree of mixed reviews for a season in the Nuwho era, though that has as much to do with questionable narrative choices as anything else...). Keeping things within a given narrative/production setting *is*, in fact, both economically more sound as well as more psychologically "stabilizing" for more general viewers as opposed to the more hardcore geeks such as (presumably) you and me. (Again, to clarify: I don't disagree with you on that specific point, as such, I just understand why they *don't* adjust things to be more like how they were at "x" time in the real-world transmissions. Also, Moffat did give himself a nice scapegoat/window-wash vis-a-vis The Cracks: any real-world transmission that occurred before The Cracks (and even a few "afterwards") may no longer be as "true" as they were before -- various aspects of time/space may not be exactly as they were meta-narratively in the Whoniverse pre-Moffat. It's all very open, and that's Moffat's gift to future writers, so to speak -- he created a plot device that allows the relative past to be different (or not), allowing future writers to perhaps not have a tabla rasa to work with but at least some more room, as it were, to move around. A very important point that shouldn't be understated or ignored....
I have been avoiding watching this video because I knew it would tear me apart emotionally. Why I chose to watch it at 2:30pm at work, I have no idea. At least I'm the only one in the office today. Thank you for doing this. It all makes much more sense to me now.
This is from a DVD extra, and I'm not sure they would know how to add anything on to it to repost it, LOL! It would be pretty cool if someone could do it, though.
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Riversong was one of the most interesting characters in television only doctor who could pull something like a backwards timeline off and to think they had it all planned out back in season 4
+Zaphod “Memelord” Beeblebrox They didn't have it planned out. Moffat actively chose to give Amy the last name Pond to use the already existing character.
+bimer2000 I think he is talking about River itself, her story and everything were planned long ago, and Moffat managed it perfectly.
And it lasted 5 WHOLE SERIES'. I mean come on. Only Moffat could do something like that.
they had to have been planning in season 3 about a character that confused everybody until they watched it a second time
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She was the longest running charecter in Doctor who that we didn't have a clue who she was until the end XD
nope since River death happend with her first apperence (Tenant's)
I thought the doctor was
@@PrincessofEllabur Nope, because that's not how recurring characters work. Even if a character atomized the second they appeared in screen every instance of them shown on the show after that counts as them "recurring".
I don't know why people hate River. I love her. And her arc is like the saddest since the love of her life slowly knows her less and less.
+Alexander Thorn only miserable fangirls hate her ... the rest of us ... realize how much he loves her.
I loved the concept and the complexity of the story, but I thought Alex Kingston was wrong for the part. Her personality and the Doctor’s shouldn’t really get on, since he hates guns and people knowing more about something than he does.
That was rivers personality though...she was a psychopathic murderer, how do you expect her to act? Alex was great for the part, she made her performance believable.
literally who dislikes river song. also the doctor doesnt hate guns, thats more of a front, he just hates what hes capable of doing with a gun, he HAS been a war hero after all. Its why he prefers talking, because even without a gun he can do so much damage.
I like her but for my taste she looks exactly like my aunt and talks exactly like her. It's just weird
Doctor: river you vandalised the oldest cliff face in the universe
River: you wouldn't answer your phone
So me as a girlfriend
Omg been There
River's life is so confusing. As she gets older and her future grows, the Doctor gets younger and his future hasn't even quite begun. Quite honestly, I think her life is the most intricately written story ever. It was planned YEARS before her real adventure even began. It was planned YEARS before the next Doctor regenerated. Years and years of actually character planning to create just a single story! It just shows how much attention to detail and correct storylines and time travel/time lines the writers can actually comprehend and construct. That's on of my favorite things from the show, because everything connects so well in the end that you basically slap yourself for not knowing it sooner. Throws you for a loop, but a hell of a good one!
MissMeggie 4 Omg....I just read that all in David Tennant's voice. That was Brilliant!
Why thank you. :3
Really? I honestly felt like the writers were making it up as they went along for a lot of it :/
Really? I find that view hard to swallow. It was so detailed. So many tiny details woven in so far in advance that when yo go back and watch it again it's quite insane how much clear planning went into it.
Replying to Matt there for clarification. It shows up out of order on my screen.
The first time when you see River dying in that episode on the 4th season you think: "oh that is sad." And when you finally know her whole story and you watch that episode again you think:"oh nooooo why. This is realy realy saaad. God noo!!"
Sophie Prinz Not to mention there are two of my favourite people in that library. Donna and River. I just want curl into a ball and cry
Oh yes
Sophie Prinz IKR! I want to cry hard... >.< I wish at the final episode (the 13th doctor; current and last) would revive her (Probably can't sadly...) or even better, go with her... THAT WOULD BE THE BEST DOCTOR WHO ENDING EVER!
😊 probably
Sophie Prinz i started trembling. Wahh
'spoilers was her last word, and the first words we heard her say were 'hello sweetie' ;(
Isabelle Morgan nope her last word are in silence of the library
Isabelle Morgan the doctor's first words to her were 'get out'
MiniBritton2006 Devil yes, her last line in silence of the library was 'spoilers¡
Actually in the right order (of her timeline, not the episodes) her last words were “goodbye sweetie” when she came back as a ghost after she had already died in the library
@@myrrthes Personally I would not count that. I think the original comment, and how I'd like to see it, would be River's first and last words to the Doctor. But now since I know her last words as a 'ghost' are "Goodbye Sweetie" and her first are "Hello Sweetie"... I'm unsure if I want to have the true first and last words or the first and last words River said to the doctor as the answer. Both are so sweet and heartbreaking. The true words are backwards for the Doctor's timeline with her, which makes it fucking sad, but her last words to the Doctor makes it like a last-ditch effort to laugh off her inevitable fate- holy shit I can't stop rambling no idea where I was going with this, Doctor Who is a sad ass series in general.
"I'm a time traveller, I point and laugh at archaeologists"
*literally, the first thing he does when little baby Melody first meets him*
Oh that's brilliant! I never caught that one!
"tell me you know who I am", How sadly River Song is when she meet 10th doctor but the doctor even don't know who she is .
huang jianfeng I know and once you watch it back after having seen all the rest it’s extra super sad.
@@blackmarketdiy9963 Yeah, the second time around it really hits you.
"...The day’s coming when I’ll look into that man’s eyes-my Doctor-and he won’t have the faintest idea who I am. And I think it’s going to kill me..." (River Song, The Impossible Astronaut)
When someones interrupts your Netflix marathon, "Hello Sweetie" "Get Out"
I can't watch The Library anymore without going into fits. Hell, I can't watch most of the early Doctor/River scenes without going into fits. I hope she gets reunited with him, someday. She's one of the only companions to truly know and accept all of him, regardless of his regenerations. It's kind of beautiful.
She’s dead tho
I’m crying right now
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Dude with Series 11 episode... ah 9. Not going to spoil too much in case you haven't seen it, but let's say everyone's loved ones get shown except one of the female companions (Which was so weird btw) and the Doctor. I thought for sure River would be there for the Doctor and I was so pissed when it wasn't.
@@QuackUp 1. wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff, so the Doctor could literally bump into River before she dies.
2. You'd think with how much the show tries to show that weird human social standards don't matter (sexuality, gender, appearance, etc) the fans would catch on and learn to not care as much, or that the people watching would be people who are more open to that kind of stuff. I'm kind of surprised you've made it this far and kudos to you with all the gay stuff and the selfcest going on in this series already. How many times has the Doctor been kissed by another man? Or when the Master and Missy were aggressively flirting with each other and there was even a scene where Missy pushed the Master up against a wall and he literally asked if it was bad he was turned on by that.
3. I'm not really judging you, because personality, as long as you're not a straight up homophobe and pushing all your ideals onto everyone I don't mind what you think. I'm just genuinely surprised you've made it this far and are still not comfortable with a lesbian relationship (When Bill was gay and had a relationship with Heather, Clara was bi, River's actor said River would not give a shit, there was also the couple Vastra and Jenny, and well even though Jack is a man, he's gay. All of these are canon btw).
You named your daughter after your daughter.
Danoh Szpak omg mind blown 🤯
Danoh Szpak lmao inception
Bootstrap paradox
@@ants4life808 indeed
Danoh Szpak that’s what doctor who is in a nutshell
One thing River Sing didn't know was that as she aged the video quality would change from 1080 to standard definition.
Now that's a real Doctor Who paradox.
River Sing is River in past tense. Aka River after the library.
@@jkreidler5834 Is it shown in season 3 or smt?
Actually she says at her second regeneration that she would run her aging process backward "just to freak people out" ....that's script attention to detail to cover plot-cracks!
River Song was the most amazing thing that could have ever happened to this show. When you watch her whole story laid out in front of you like this, it makes you have those "oh yeah I remember that!" moments. It was confusing, seeing some of her past and some of her future completely out of order, but in the end, it all makes sense, and it's the most amazing thing. This show is great in so many ways, but so much effort was put into the River Song story, and I think it was the most great thing about Doctor Who.
Ah okay, that makes sense. When I realized River was Amy and Rory's daughter, I completely forgot about that little girl in New York, so it confused me how the baby went from her to Mels.
"Did I mention I was kickass with a gun?" XD
Lol
So what kind of doctor are you?
Archaeology. I like graves.
poor river song just gets her heart broken again and again.
"Hello, sweetie"
"Get out"
HNGNNHNGNH NH I CRI
Lik if u cry evry time
This is so horribly heartbreaking when you see it from her perspective....but so beautiful at the same time. For me Doctor Who is right up there with Harry Potter as some of the most incredible fiction I've ever come across because of characters and and stories like this. And really, this is just a background detail compared to the rest of the show. Completely and utterly beautiful.
Finally a Potterhead!!
The most important questions......
Is Jenny a timelord or not and Is she EVER coming back?
Here's a better question:
How is she even blonde? The 10th Doctor was brown haired, and he is the mother+father of Jenny. Also the blue eyes.
+Blaze Flames (Knight of Heart)
Well if she's a Timelord then she's blonde because their species genetics work differently than ours. If Timelords can change their face and every cell in their body it probably means their children NEVER end up looking like them. There would be no purpose for it. Because if the parent is dying and begins to regenerate, the child can't do the same. And if the child can't pick a face to resemble it's parents, then what the point in looking like them to begin with?
+Blaze Flames (Knight of Heart) are you even sure that's how regular genetics works
+lioness4God Fun fact: The Doctor's Daughter is actually the 5th Doctor's daughter, and David Tennant's wife.
+lioness4God she is dead, crashed into a asteroid/meteor i think
Tenth Doctor First words to river in this video "Get out"
It hurts so much
I feel the knife plunging into my soul
I usually don't like the doctor being romantic but I was crazy about River Song and in this case it worked. She's awesome , they're awesome and Matt Smith and Alex Kingston pulled it off brilliantly.
River's first appearance remains her best.
With the 10th doctor
+Conor comic's you mean 11th
+Conor comic's the war doctor counts
+Theawesomegamer samfred I would of said 11th but it might of confused people.
+Theawesomegamer samfred The 10th Doctor is the 11th regeneration and the 10th face to call himself "The Doctor". The War Doctor is the 9th regeneration of the Doctor but is not the Doctor because he denounced that title.
does anybody else find it almost heart breaking that when we see river song regenerate as a child we are also witnessing her heart stop for a moment? that she actually died right then and that's why she regenerate?
regenerated
I think that. Or the fact that she was a literal, living breathing child, who was living completely alone to on the streets with no help until the point of death. DEATH. Like...that’s so heart breaking. If she didn’t have the ability to regenerate then she would just be a child who starved to death alone on the street. (She still technically is. Just came back) 💔
Actually Timelords heal themselves before Regeneration. Remember when 10 wiped away his scars before he died.
Her heart didn’t stop.
There is one part missing. The christmas special...
SPOILERS !
+Mat G And the one where she meets the weeping angels and trensalor
+Mat G I bet Maisie Williams is River's daughter.....
+Stephen Sheridan No
+Stephen Sheridan no
No lol :D
"Crash of the byzantium, have we done that?" I hate that line because surely she noticed that the Tenth Doctor is definitely NOT the same one as the one in the Crash of the Byzantium.
She may have thought he was the version after Matt Smith's doctor
julia0315 Yup,I agree, also, she talked to Donna about how she knows her and what will happen to her, if River knew Donna was from his past, why would she think Ten is a future Doctor?
MrSinxist she also already sad that she knew all of his faces so she should've known that the doctor was tenth one
MrSinxist she said that to Donna after she realized the doctor didn't know her
Sry I'm new watching Doctor Who, what is the crash of the byzantium?
A though:
The Doctor technically still hasn't told River his name yet. He said he did, but he lied about that and just said "look into my eyes". He also hasn't given her the sonic screwdriver. Knowing Moffat, if he can get Alex Kingston back he definitely will because he never leaves things like that open.
Summary of that comment:
River has to come back because The Doctor hasn't told her his name yet or given her the sonic.
They had mini episodes about the Doctor giving her the sonic screwdriver.
Also remember in the Time of the Doctor, she opened the Tardis when the Doctor wouldn't to save his friends on Trenzalore.
IDK Epic she probably going to tell him in the future
yes, and that's why she needs to come back
I'm sure she is coming back. Alex has said that she loves playing River Song.
I love how River appears in every single series finale of the Matt Smith era
This is one perfect example of incredible, amazingly thought out story telling
The Angels Take Manhattan is missing. From what I can tell, it happens just before River's last meeting with the Doctor for her. Their timelines are mostly synced up at that point, except for River not having done the library yet, obviously.
not just that but trenzalore too
+Super Girl Trenzalore is after the library, because she's just a ghost from being saved :D
***** The Name of the Doctor is the episode name (S7 E13 2013)
This put everything about River Song into a perspective that's often hard to understand to understand on the show, but now I see how tragic her life is. Imagine growing more in love with a person only for them to slowly not know you. Not to mention, her calm character. She doesn't fear what going to happen in the early episodes because she's already lived everything. She knows everything will work as long as she is by his side. My god, I love RIVER SONG!!
When she whisper 'spoilers' 😢
just so everyone knows,this was a Dr Who Confidential Special
Ooooh!! The man in the suit with the new haircut is Peter Capaldi!
I was thinking that was matt smith
It is a clever loop. The Eleventh Doctor had to figure out a way to save River Song. The Twelfth Doctor gave her the screwdriver. The Tenth Doctor saved her with it after seeing her die.
+Ewan Stewart cos it is? (Question mark cos I'm not really sure
It's not, there's a mini episode where Matt's Doctor and River try to go on a date to see the singing towers, and he does have a suit, but they never actually go there. It was Capaldi who takes her to Darillium and gives her a screwdriver that would Tennant's Doctor use to save her.
Holy shit. Watching this in the correct order makes the library scene ten times more emotional. ESPECIALLY when you remember that the christmas special happened right before that episode.
In her time line 10th doctor is the last Doctor she sees and in the doctors timeline 10th doctor is the first to see river
if River's first words back on the show aren't "Hello, Sweetie" I'm going to drive to ikea and flip every table they have.
Good news, you don't have to go to ikea
One thing everyone seems to have completely missed is, River is missing a Regeneration. Her first Regeneration was in 1969, Amy was born in 1989 and River didn't start growing up with Amy until she met her at school. She didn't obtain the Vortex Manipulator from Dorium until she was River. Which means there's a missing 25 years between 1969 and 1994, where she had to have regenerated one other time; otherwise, she would've been an adult in her Early 30's when she first met Amy.
dont forget aging for timelords is like so slow it took the 11th 900 year to age to a old man 25 years is nothing for a timelord
+Scott Phoenix Yes, but then when she met Amy and Rory she suddenly started aging in human speed... So there's still a plothole
+Domihork there isn't any logic in dr who, to be honest the same came be apply to rose's dad episode or the fact that melody name. For a science fiction show sometime the show lack scientific facts to gain the viewers and create complex characters.
hey one thing is bugging me in the pandrica opens how would river know where was amys house was and secondly when the river is flying the tardis she says to the Doctor AN EXTERNAL FORCE IS FLYING THE TARDIS. the doctor says he will investtigate but he never did he was busy with mels and the newly weds (amy and rory) .what was the external force that flew it and where was it supposed to land and whaat caused the tardis to exploed please awnser this has being on mind since season 4
Dani Aziz it was the church of the silence aka mainframe in time of the doctor
The most kickass archeologist ever.
Yes, Indy fans, I said it.
:-)
Veritas
I'd like to see this reworked taking Peter Capaldi's Doctor and the Singing Towers into account.
It WOULD be nice, but since they, um, _borrowed_ it from the BBC through the DVD extra it came from, I doubt they know how to add any more parts onto it. 😄 They should just be thankful the BBC hasn't said cease and desist and had it yanked off here. As should we, for that matter, LOL!
after this Christmas special, this video just made me cry....
God I love this! Because I love Alex playing River for it.
River Song war meiner Erachtens einer der besten Figuren der Serie und ich vermisse sie. Der Doktor und River hatten diese besondere Art von Beziehungen. Das fehlt in den neuen Folgen irgendwie! Ich hoffe, dass River zurück kommt und das währe theoretisch möglich, da Rivers Zeitlinche ganz anders wie die des Doktors verläuft, so kann jederzeit etwas eingeschoben werden!
River Song ist einfach nur großartig!!!!❤
1:35 aaaand there's Karen Gillan dressed as a schoolgirl.
Well, that's all the internet I need for the day. No calls.
Jayfive276 haha....naughty boy. good laugh
Jayfive276 www.google.co.uk/search?q=karen+gillian+hot&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCMQsARqFQoTCLbBmJPerscCFQzpFAodCXgBoQ&biw=1280&bih=891#tbm=isch&q=karen+gillan+hot
One search. Done.
+Taaketa Dinloka too much internet today.
+Taaketa Dinloka 2 MUCH INTER WEBZ O_O
I'ver met Karen Gillan.
It''s amazing how even though its been years producers are able to link their timelines in a way that makes so much sense. That's true talent for ya
Where is this audio of River explaining her timeline from?
I've never heard this in any episode or mini-episode as far as I can remember. Or was this an extra on a DVD, I'm really not sure...
I'd like to know that, too.
It's in the doctor who confidentials
Thank you so much for letting us know. Highly appreciate it.
This has got to be updated for The Husbands of River Song
I love that The Angels Take Manhattan, The Husbands of River Song and The Name of The Doctor give River back some happiness, where the Doctor finally knows her as much as she knows him 😊😊
You cut off the last ten seconds of the video!
River says at the end "... because just sometimes everybody lives." and you cut it off.
I think that's the point
i cried rewatching silence of the library and forest of the dead oh my god river’s story arc is one of the most intricate of all in the whoniverse and it just gets me every time
Ohkay i cried.....
After looking at the events from River's point of view, i realize how awful would it have been for her.
Always thinking about the next meeting with the love of your life knowing that he will always know you less than he did before. And a day will come when he won't even know who you are...
The events in Husbands of River Song makes it better, though. I mean, still as heartwrenching, but she gets time with him when they both know each other equally.
"did i mention i was kickass with a gun" lol
I've just realised I wasn't paying attention to any of this at the time.
I hope she shows up in the new seson this fall
Yea
thx u :)
Aleah Ray I think she doesn't because the doctors future is her past so that means she doesn't exist yet or maybe I'm wrong because you know timey wimey.
Yeah but caplidi is the doctor now and she knew matt smiths doctor and Peter caplidi was after Matt smith so....yeah your right timy wimy
*timey wimey
I love doctor who for it's dedictation. Like River Songs story reaches over 3 or more seasons that was epic!
River Song is my favorite Dr. Who character of all! That scene in the library makes me cry every time. Favorite episode as well.
when the part of her saying she good with a gun, give whole new meaning to Silence falls" now doesn't it.... i forgot she killed lots of them in that episode.
River song is by far the sexiest woman on this show.
Another temporal perspective: The last words the Doctor speaks to River Song are unknown, being more than two decades after they first had Christmas dinner on Darillium, and before the events of "Doctor Mysterio."
I like to think that he finally confessed his #love for her.
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I've seen this video a thousand times, and still gets me to tears, River, my favourite character in Doctor Who
This is such a great story arc
I got a doctor who ad lol
+Ssj Gohan When i get Doctor Who adverts it makes me so happy :D
Me too
i feel so feels.
"Hello, sweetie."
"Get out."
Ow???
This is so amazing and so moving. I just can't even
8:37 - It wasn't her last kiss. I'm assuming they kissed at least once in those 24 years in Darillium.
Saleha Hussain this was released way before that ep with the 12th Doctor happened
7:35 One thing bothered me about this scene and River swinging around in a circle like that and shooting the Silence dudes. If she's spinning around how could she remember where the Silence dudes were that were behind her?
Dustin Platt she saw that video with the silence telling about kill them too
River song's timeline is both the most exciting, interesting, and heartbreaking storyline of all time
After I watched all of the episodes with River in them I went back and watched the silence of the library, and I cried. I didn't cry when I first watched it....😢
River: "Who's River Song?"
Doctor: "Uh...Spoilers"
when you realise from rivers perspective her husband is slowly becoming senile as he ages and forgets everything about her while becoming more mistrusting of her :O
This was FABULOUS! I totally love it. Thank you for putting this piece together.
Y'know, I watch these vids, but I always forget about the Silence until they show up. What a ruddy villain.
that man, that impossible man...
Oh, blimey, well... That... explains a lot.
Every time I watch this it shatters my heart! Thank you for posting this! I love it!
Just stumbled upon this...this is so much awesomesauce. River has been my favorite character since she first stepped on the screen.
Turned on subtitles, apparently Rory’s name is wory Pond
Russle t Davis ( sorry if I spelt his name Rong ) left gaps for the next writers to fill in ..... That's so clever ....... Like crash of the bizantium (if that's spelt write I will be surprised ) that's a good episode
Your the best
At make up
DoctorWhoTARDIS Um, River was created by Moffat...
Sorry but it was Steven Moffat who wrote Silence In the Library and created River Song
FAILED YEAH thanks for correcting me lol +goku43651
"Did I mention I was kickass with a gun?"
Not nearly enough, River. Not nearly enough.
Whoever made this video thank you! This was awesome.
LOL, thank the BBC, then. It was an extra on their DVD set. 😉
River Song est l'un des personnages qui me manque le plus ! J'espère vraiment qu'elle reviendra...
I'm guessing that the scene with Capaldi and Alex happened after this was created.
ugh, thanks for the feels trip! I freakin' love River so much =(
Thanks for the upload
So I'm an idiot and never realized that she was the little girl in the space suit. And I just re watch those episodes. I'm feel ashamed of myself right now.
So sad
Walking WhoLock We got a rookie over here. Give him a hug.
+PotterFangirl2242 That's alright, your primary loyalty is to potter, after all ;)
WAIT WHAT
There was a "Timeline" video on UA-cam once (since been deleted) that included much, well, better footage (in my opinion) than this. It included bits from the Name of the Doctor, and also video from the Webisodes (again, mostly deleted), including First Night and Last Night - incredible moments from Matt Smith and Alex Kingston that we may never see again.
This one is well done, but not nearly the "passion and feels" that the other video had.
The feels! Made me tear! I love river song! Amazing video
This is from a DVD extra, so they didn't put it together, just posted it - they should feel lucky the BBC hasn't noticed it yet and said cease and desist, LOL!
Aww this is missing the Capaldi stuff
Everytime I hear someone say the word “arkeology" I imagine them shooting an alien dead. Good times, thanks Doctor Who😆!👍
It was beautiful. Thank you 💙
I'm getting all teary-eyed! I miss River!
There is missing the last DW episode ( for now), and those episodes where she was seen by Clara.
Silence in the library and Forest of the dead are two of my favourite Who episodes and I can remember how intrigued I was by the whole River/Doctor reverse parallel relationship idea. However looking back now, I feel less than thrilled with what that original idea eventually became. All the writers really had to do was take note of the references to River's past within that two part story and expand upon those points in future River centric episodes. There was honestly no need for her story to bleed into a three series long plot twist. But no, she became a fan favourite so they stretched her origin out in episode after episode. Which ultimately resulted in overly confusing plot additions to an already somewhat audience confusing concept. Creating continuity issues that didn't need to be exist. It could have been one of the best sci-fi tales ever told on television, but it turned into something very sloppy and over intricate.
***** I wouldn't call it sloppy, nor over intricate (if anything, ironically enough, it needed to be *more* intricate than it was -- the lack of certain key intricate points is what led to certain narratives being not as good as they could have been). However, Moffat *could* have done a lot more with River than he did, and bogging her down into Amy/Rory's storylines as heavily as he did by making her their daughter detracted from elements that would have played out wonderfully for her (Example: although it would have been written/handled differently, the whole "splintered through time" subplot that was given to Clara should have *really* been *River's* -- that would have made her think that she had more of a "future" relationship with the Doctor across more incarnations than she did, and makes her realizing that her relationship with him ended in the Library even more poignant than it was originally. Even Clara's getting to see --albeit briefly -- the Doctor as a young boy on Gallifrey is something that again should narratively have belonged to River... it would have continued Moffat's borrowing of elements from "The Time Traveler's Wife" in describing/relating the Doctor's and River's relationship...). >sigh
tideoftime By Intricate what I really mean is they tried to over complicate the concept of River by threading her into as many stories as possible because she became a fan favourite. Ultimately she didn't need to feature in as many episodes as she eventually did and I feel most of those episodes would have benefited more from her absence I agree with you that the plot elements of Clara's origin story would have felt better with River as the crux, but there's no use crying over spilt milk now.....I guess.
It's just another problem I have with Moffat's writing as a whole. He tends to use such a historically vast and uniquely conceptualized universe in very small ways. A friend and I were talking recently about one particular subject. Why are all the Cybermen the Doctor meets in New Who from the same generation. Once they appear with a new look, that same look continues in every episode thereafter. He's a time traveller ideally he would come into contact with many varied designs of Cyberman from throughout history. Yet the same design of Cyberform introduced on a parallel world and designed by a single man (John Lumic) simply appear back in our reality two seasons later and in 1851. I mean come on Moffat, it would be good to know you at least attempt to think these things through.
***** I think you are misperceiving a few aspects of the ongoing narratives involved, particularly relative to River. It wasn't that Moffat had tried to shoe-horn her into as many stories as possible because she had become popular as a character -- it had *always been* his intention to have her as a recurring companion for the Doctor, due to her temporal subplot. All of the stories she appears in have direct, causal narrative links to her ongoing (albeit out-of-order) storyline, whether because it is linked to the Church, her birth/death, her growing up, or her losing her parents/the Doctor. That's not "shoe-horning" anything relative to the character. (Even the brief cameos -- beyond her regularly involved episodes -- in the second half of the 2011 season were merely set-ups for the season finale of that year, and therefore justified.)
As far as the Cybermen's appearance (or similar-such production citations), I think some people tend to forget a very important thing about DW, as a series, that while not as true as it was during the Classic Era is still true today: *they don't have a big budget*. Once a particular amount of money has been spent to build a new Tardis control room, update a monster's look, establish that a character will be recurring, etc., that expense has to be *justified* by be used as much as possible during the production era it was created in. It's a sad fact of DW/BBC economics. Is that annoying to some of the more purist-minded of us (myself included, on occasion)? Sure. But it's understandable from a business POV. If DW had the proportional budget that, say, the Star Trek series of the 80's/90's had, then such considerations could be taken into account as the show would have the budget to cover "x, y and z". Unfortunately, they don't. #SadButTrue
Well let me ask you this question. Is River's story done (considering in her last appearance was that of the "saved" version from Forest of the dead), or could she return? There were many references in both Silence in the library and Forest of the dead to her past involving the Doctor. Most notably acquiring a version of the tenth Doctor's screwdriver. This has since never been shown and is an aspect of the characters history and relationship with the Doctor I would still like to see.
I simply believe that River's story could and should have been simplified. I don't feel many of the episodes in which she featured were ultimately needed because it was those very episodes that further added plot points that required her return. Whether or not the series of events were planned out well in advance or not, I still feel very let down by the results.
Just because Doctor Who is science FICTION, that shouldn't mean it doesn't have to make sense within the boundaries of the universe that it has created.
As for my Cyberman reference, I fully understand that budget may be an issue and I was going to mention that in my previous statement. However when considering budget I'm sure this will mean we will be seeing the previous Cyberman (introduced in 2006) return for future episodes? As using these older (already existing) costumes would save on said budget. But of course that wont happen because the Cyberman have now upgraded to walk with the gait of Robocop and adapt almost instantly to any defence like some low-grade Borg rip-off. .........Sigh
. .
***** Again, I think you're looking at things from a POV that isn't supportable by the series. We were *never* going to see all of the Doctor's/River's relationship; in fact, we were only ever going to see highlights of it, with extra-narrative aspects (Easter Island, Jim the Fish, Picnic at Asgard, their final "date" at the Singing Towers, et al) being simply and neatly covered via expositive reference by River/whoever in conversation. (And to cite again, we *know* that the Doctor givers River the screwdriver at the their last date, and in the minisode "First Night/Last Night", we even see them right before going on said date... that covers that narrative well enough, certainly....) As far as not seeing River again -- we *can* see her again, of course, in an episode with 12, and even (no doubt to your chagrin) have references to them seeing each other at different points "short-handed" into a conversation (or not, works either way), as it can be an earlier version of her; equally, River's story can be *done* now, as both she and 11 ended on a (finally) equal footing, being able to say goodbye to each other at roughly an equal end of their relationship (11 knows practically everything, and River has been dead for anywhere from years to millennia on end).
As far as the Cybermen and related details/citations, it also comes down to a point of how much "x" can be used/employed in the comparatively limited time they have for a season (12-14 episodes a season, with no real fixed narrative "home base", as it were, like with the various ST series or even as they were back in the UNIT heyday of the early 70's, so each episode is essentially starting from scratch each time, from a production POV). While physical costumes and such exist from a decade or more ago, the viability of "changing pace", as it were, comes with meta-narrative considerations: the broader, general audience can be thrown by shifting production aspects (as some, for example, apparently were with the 2014 season, resulting in the greatest degree of mixed reviews for a season in the Nuwho era, though that has as much to do with questionable narrative choices as anything else...). Keeping things within a given narrative/production setting *is*, in fact, both economically more sound as well as more psychologically "stabilizing" for more general viewers as opposed to the more hardcore geeks such as (presumably) you and me. (Again, to clarify: I don't disagree with you on that specific point, as such, I just understand why they *don't* adjust things to be more like how they were at "x" time in the real-world transmissions. Also, Moffat did give himself a nice scapegoat/window-wash vis-a-vis The Cracks: any real-world transmission that occurred before The Cracks (and even a few "afterwards") may no longer be as "true" as they were before -- various aspects of time/space may not be exactly as they were meta-narratively in the Whoniverse pre-Moffat. It's all very open, and that's Moffat's gift to future writers, so to speak -- he created a plot device that allows the relative past to be different (or not), allowing future writers to perhaps not have a tabla rasa to work with but at least some more room, as it were, to move around. A very important point that shouldn't be understated or ignored....
I have been avoiding watching this video because I knew it would tear me apart emotionally. Why I chose to watch it at 2:30pm at work, I have no idea. At least I'm the only one in the office today. Thank you for doing this. It all makes much more sense to me now.
Thank you for this video.
They also haven't shown the angels take Manhattan episode...or the mini-episode about the rain gods/rain dance thing?
Update needed!!
This is from a DVD extra, and I'm not sure they would know how to add anything on to it to repost it, LOL! It would be pretty cool if someone could do it, though.
That last scene in the library kills me.
That‘s beautiful!! It‘s nice to see a whole new perspective😍❤️