Great job Baz, you're definitely the man I would entrust to carry out a wet belt replacement. What a stupid design though.....a rubber belt running in engine oil!! Plus how much has to be removed to gain access to the belt.......especially for a 3 cylinder 1.0 litre engine!!! Give me a zetec engine any day!! Keep up the great work Baz.
Decent upgrade, that new camera. Top work as always. It seems crazy that a service item (that wet belt) requires such a colossal amount of work to be changed over.
They are very clever engines, the Peugeot version is better. Lots of innovation but possibly a bit too clever!! Need looking after but can do 150000 miles before major work no problem. Just never follow manufacturers service schedule Oil every 5000 miles Belt every 50000 And check everything often.
Thanks, my usual repair garage would not touch this job, nor would any other local guys, so I went to the main dealers. They did the job including water pump etc for £1200, having seen the work involved i am OK with the final cost which had 10 hours of labour.
Great video. I had the job done when my Focus hit 10 years old (May 2022) only the Main dealer would do the job. First time I've every driven a vehicle that was going okay and paid £1,600+ for a repair! Of course it is a 'dockyard' job and you're not sitting behind a ticking timebomb wondering when it might break by having it done. It is something folk who buy used ones need to factor in.
Well done to you sir ! We wil try and get over there in the near future and book our little fiesta for the same procedure! Your vids are a gem and it deff shows what experience looks like and why this is done with care and following all the steps !
paid 1356 sods for my 2016 fiesta belt at ford aberdare. I asked about the conditioon of the oil pick up and the condition of the belt. Very little in the oil pickup. Car done 56k and FSH, maybe testament to regular servicing and correct oil. Cheers Baz great vid
I bought a ecosport 1 litre auto for the mrs last year with 15k on the clock 68 plate late 2018, so nice to drive, now has 20k on the clock but will service it myself using Westway oils which are very good (no I don’t work for them) kind regards to you Baz and everyone out there Mark from Billericay
@@mikeclewlow6510 ford won’t help you unless they are servicing it, even then it’s unlikely they’ll help if it’s out of warranty The biggest issue with these is using the wrong oil, you see it time and time again
My niece had problems with her focus ecoboost engine,she spent over £3500 on a exchange engine,turbo various sensors,it never ran right and she ended up selling it to the garage. They drive ok but they are not good engines .
Zero road tax and cheap parts pays for the belt change and you'll still be the owner of a great fun car probably worth the same as you paid for it many years ago. You could buy an electric car for £30k plus which will be worthless in 4 years cos it needs batteries replaced.
I have a 2013 fiesta ecoboost and it’s claimed to of had the belt and water pump done by a Ford specialist and it rattles only when it gets hot and the emissions are out on the mot
Brilliant video. I am a new subscriber. I am looker for a new car, but I am still too paranoid about buying anything eoth a wet belt. It seems like a bit of a lottery, even if the car is maintained. They all seem to be small 3 cylinder engines. I buy a car to keep long term, so want something that will last. Seems like there is no duch thing these days.....
If cars no longer come into the garage that often, you design the engine in such a way that major repairs are planned, and when problems arise, bury your head in the sand and blame everything else 👍good work Ford ! for me never a Ford again 👎
I really wish we could get some empirical , rather than anecdotal, evidence on the Ecoboost. Just to see whether a lot of these Ecoboosts going pop, outside of the early recall related issues, are bad design, bad maintenance or maybe both.
I think the early ones suffered with self destruction when fragments of wet belt blocked oil pickup screen. At least that's what had happened to the Fiesta 1.0 I bought as a non runner couple of years ago. That one you had in video was spotless inside so maybe problem was solved on later versions 👍
66 Plate Peugeot 108. 1.2... Local Peugeot Independent. Had wet belt done earlier this year. £399.00. Serpentine Belt included in price. Unlike the Fords you dont have remove half the Engine. Labour costs are much cheaper.
I keep having seized bolts on the air conditioning compressor I’ve had to remove the sump with a/c compressor still bolted to sump on a couple which makes it very difficult to refit as it’s so heavy
Any engine that requires that level of disassembly to renew a belt is a bloody joke. Thanks for the video as it is a reminder to not get any vehicle with this wet belt crap.
Baz, I enjoy your videos very thorough in your content and detailing. I have a couple of questions, that I and others would like to know, Ford changed the engines to chain drive during 2021, I believe a quick way to tell if it’s a chain drive and not a wet belt drive is the position of the turbo which has been moved from the front to the rear of the engine, is this correct ?, also with the new chain drive engines have Ford also replaced the wet belt drive for the oil pump with chain drive, I asked this of a mechanic at the local Ford dealership and claimed he did not know the answer to the questions. I have a 2021 Ford Puma and would like to know what the future holds on this subject
These are related to the peugeot 1.2 thp engines but on the peugeot i didnt have to remove the timing cover, just an inspection cover and the floating crank pulley. The belt can be fed down from the top.
You are a good engineer but get some racking to put things on please. The floor is for feet and dirt. Plus things on the floor are great trip hazards. Cheers.
not like this happen in service where i was before - no possible to speak and disturb the mechanic - he must work quickly to grow the company i was concern to destroy all my cable/hose clip terifiant experience
It seems to me anyone who buys an 3 cyl eco boost ford after the warranty runs out just lined themselves up for a bit of trouble, just like used EV buyers do with possible battery problems although an EV battery will no doubt last longer than an ecoboost engine. Personally I would not entertain either type of power plant 'cause I tend to keep my cars long term, although it is getting more and difficult to buy a car with an even number of cylinders ( that could be called a daily driver ).
I don't like to put prices I like to keep it fair for others garages that are doing the repairs... I'd hate to be the chap on the internet that does it cheaper.... It just saves debates
There appears to be a problem in the industry and with the car buying public at large in relation to the concept of preventative maintenance, (not at this garage 🤙). I feel too many years of highly reliable cars and have brought the industry and the car buying public back into reality very quickly with components failing regularly. This is because of the change in technology chosen by; or forced on manufacturers, eg, timing chains, wet belts, 3 cylinder engines and emission related technology which the car buying public were not openly told about or how to care for these fickle technologies. This attitude of lethargy towards preventative maintenance might go some way to explain why so many are not checking brake fluid and why the car buying public don’t seal to care about or know about brake fluid and it’s hydroscopic properties
Love your videos but the old camera was substantially better , Sharper , more vivid colours and stable . Watch any of the previous videos on a medium size monitor its very obvious . When you pan or move it lags behind terribly . Name the original one please .
We should appreciate real mechanics more.Treat them like engineers which they in reality are.How many models of cars and every model other belt system.If you think this one is complicated,look at videos of some VW models.A near impossible job for diy like me.Great camera job and how many hours of editing?
Owner of ecocrap here. 2 services a year and only covering 5k miles a year. Owned for 4 years. Gone through 2 clutches and an engine. Old engine had done 50k before it spat out dummy and died. This new piece of garbage has done 15k. Hoping to get rid soon but I’ll probably only get £2.50 and a chocolate bar. Worse car I’ve ever owned.
Bring back pushrods!! If its a great engine, why do some fail when perfectly serviced at a main ford dealer? Something else is going on here starting the self destruction process. Belt quality, vibration, can gear tolerance. It's not just about oil. It is a crap engine, if only for the 'difficulty' of belt inspection and bankruptcy level expense of belt replacement. How many otherwise good cars have been scrapped over this issue?? A lot! Insane design.
Terrible things to drive, had a ecoboost Fiesta 1.0 which was OK if you revved the nuts off it but no low end torque at all. False economy to use an engine so small.
Back in the seventies the Essex and Cologne V6 engines were prone to fibre timing gears self destructing and camshaft lobes wearing prematurely; nothing changes.
The few fails I have seen have been cars with more short drives and using Ron95. Short drives on these would dictate a oil change sooner than the typical annual most people tend to do.
50,000 miles (80,000km) is a very short belt change interval for such a huge PIA job, that alone is a perfect reason NOT to buy something with this engine. Alldata service info states 150,000 mile change interval, why so soon?
Same old story, people skip services, don't keeping up on basic maintenance, and engines get a bad name. These same people would destroy a ferrari, and say it's the car's fault.
As a ex mechanic of 29 years,now beef farmer,,come on,,,its A FORD,,,Fix or Repair Daily,,they are crap,,,Toyota or Honda only...Anything else is just inadequate..
You are saying not to use anything abrasive on the sump and timing cover when you are cleaning it. There is nothing more abrasive than a wire brush wheel in a drill? I dont get that. Or was it a wire wool wheel, if so then i understand that. Maybe i miss understood?
Repent to Jesus Christ! Luke 5:32 King James Version 32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Luke 13:3 King James Version 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Great job Baz, you're definitely the man I would entrust to carry out a wet belt replacement.
What a stupid design though.....a rubber belt running in engine oil!! Plus how much has to be removed to gain access to the belt.......especially for a 3 cylinder 1.0 litre engine!!! Give me a zetec engine any day!!
Keep up the great work Baz.
Decent upgrade, that new camera. Top work as always.
It seems crazy that a service item (that wet belt) requires such a colossal amount of work to be changed over.
Have one of these engines in our Ford Focus wont be getting another Ford when we replace it, always a ticking time bomb.
Like having an EV and anticipating battery failure.
Ford should be taken to court over the design of these money pit engines.
They are very clever engines, the Peugeot version is better. Lots of innovation but possibly a bit too clever!! Need looking after but can do 150000 miles before major work no problem. Just never follow manufacturers service schedule
Oil every 5000 miles
Belt every 50000
And check everything often.
Do you use any Loctite on the crank bolt or is it not advised?
They have been taken to court in the USA and admitted they are faulty.
Thanks, my usual repair garage would not touch this job, nor would any other local guys, so I went to the main dealers.
They did the job including water pump etc for £1200, having seen the work involved i am OK with the final cost which had 10 hours of labour.
happy with a timing belt costing 1200 quid. crappy three cylinder ecoboom....... cortina 1600cc pinto £45.00..including £12.00 for the belt
@@josephberrie9550 As I said on another of his videos, I need to get my Mk3 1600 back on the road!
By far one of the best channels on yt can't believe it only has 57k subs
Really appreciate this buddy 🤙
Great video. I had the job done when my Focus hit 10 years old (May 2022) only the Main dealer would do the job. First time I've every driven a vehicle that was going okay and paid £1,600+ for a repair! Of course it is a 'dockyard' job and you're not sitting behind a ticking timebomb wondering when it might break by having it done. It is something folk who buy used ones need to factor in.
in Norway only Ford would do the job for 2816 pund, so i did it my self.
Well done to you sir ! We wil try and get over there in the near future and book our little fiesta for the same procedure! Your vids are a gem and it deff shows what experience looks like and why this is done with care and following all the steps !
Great video Baz, I do the Vauxhall/peugeot wet belts and have have now made sure that all my timing tools are tight with bolts 👍🤙
paid 1356 sods for my 2016 fiesta belt at ford aberdare. I asked about the conditioon of the oil pick up and the condition of the belt. Very little in the oil pickup. Car done 56k and FSH, maybe testament to regular servicing and correct oil. Cheers Baz great vid
Wow that's a simple job, remember how difficult the old pinto timing belt was
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😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
I bought a ecosport 1 litre auto for the mrs last year with 15k on the clock 68 plate late 2018, so nice to drive, now has 20k on the clock but will service it myself using Westway oils which are very good (no I don’t work for them) kind regards to you Baz and everyone out there Mark from Billericay
Use the recommended castrol oil would be my advice, as that is designed for that engine (and belt)
Personally I'd purchase the oils and filters from ford. At least you have a hope of help if it goes tits up.
@@mikeclewlow6510 ford won’t help you unless they are servicing it, even then it’s unlikely they’ll help if it’s out of warranty
The biggest issue with these is using the wrong oil, you see it time and time again
@@derekfleming3095 that's why I suggested using dealer parts
@@mikeclewlow6510 can get the parts far cheaper online than going to your local dealer
Great job Baz and awesome camera work.Its a gem.
The first thing I would do is get a cam chain conversion done! You don’t immerse a belt into oil, it’s asking for trouble!!
Where from though? I've seen a YT video on the chain conversion but apparently it's made in Holland. I can't find anybody who sells it over here (UK).
My niece had problems with her focus ecoboost engine,she spent over £3500 on a exchange engine,turbo various sensors,it never ran right and she ended up selling it to the garage. They drive ok but they are not good engines .
Whilst there I would also have you change the seal on the timing belt cover.
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I do I just didn't show it buddy
@@bazmeredith Yeah we believe you mate 😄
@@SalvageMasterEssex glad you do
Zero road tax and cheap parts pays for the belt change and you'll still be the owner of a great fun car probably worth the same as you paid for it many years ago. You could buy an electric car for £30k plus which will be worthless in 4 years cos it needs batteries replaced.
the trade refuse to buy them unless the belts have been changed regardless of the service interval
I have a 2013 fiesta ecoboost and it’s claimed to of had the belt and water pump done by a Ford specialist and it rattles only when it gets hot and the emissions are out on the mot
Would need a diag on it, they are prone for the cats failing
have had mate not of had.....duh
Thank you mate much appreciated 👍
great video! how long did it take you in total? did you completely disassemble the vacuum pump?
An Ecoboost wet belt looks like less ball ache than an Astra timing chain tho.
Great blog and you smashed it 💪🇬🇧
Cheers buddy really appreciate it 🤙
@@bazmeredith Baz you can service my Ford Edge st , )) anytime buddy, so meticulous
Very good job indeed 👏 👍 👌 knowledge is wisdom 👏 🙌 👍 👌 🙏
fantastic video's Baz I've subscribed to your channel.. may i ask what's your recording set up.. i.e camera an gimbal
Brilliant video. I am a new subscriber. I am looker for a new car, but I am still too paranoid about buying anything eoth a wet belt. It seems like a bit of a lottery, even if the car is maintained. They all seem to be small 3 cylinder engines. I buy a car to keep long term, so want something that will last. Seems like there is no duch thing these days.....
If cars no longer come into the garage that often, you design the engine in such a way that major repairs are planned, and when problems arise, bury your head in the sand and blame everything else 👍good work Ford ! for me never a Ford again 👎
I really wish we could get some empirical , rather than anecdotal, evidence on the Ecoboost. Just to see whether a lot of these Ecoboosts going pop, outside of the early recall related issues, are bad design, bad maintenance or maybe both.
Bad maintenance 100%
@@bazmeredith is it not because of the wet belt ?
@bazmeredith what do you think to oil dilution from petrol because of short running and faulty injectors? Would that damage these belts?
@@RideBikes_Walkplaces Use the recommended oil otherwise it leads to deterioration of wetbelt that blocks oil pickup 👍
I was a Ford tech for 13 years, and I have nothing but good things to say about these engine. We rarely seen any giving trouble.
I don't see many things go wrong, only when neglected which goes hand in hand with failures
Is that why it has a poor rep and Ford has done a recall in some markets? 😂
@@bazmeredith lies
@@josephberrie9550 ????? What's lies
I think the early ones suffered with self destruction when fragments of wet belt blocked oil pickup screen. At least that's what had happened to the Fiesta 1.0 I bought as a non runner couple of years ago. That one you had in video was spotless inside so maybe problem was solved on later versions 👍
Lanch have you in their paw after the show... 😊All joking aside great vids, your very calm and relaxed while doing them.👍
Belt was obviously designed to last the life of the car, Well until the real world intervened !
Or until manufacturer's warranty expires
How is a rubber belt soaked in oil going to last the life of the car? Rubber and oil don't play well together
@@curtisj2165use correct oil !!
designed to last the warranty period
Great job mate 👏 you da Man 👌
its a cam belt change not heart surgery
Another brilliant video
Great job as usual, excellent camera 👍
Cheers buddy deffo worth it
Brilliant I assumed both belts were done
66 Plate Peugeot 108. 1.2... Local Peugeot Independent. Had wet belt done earlier this year. £399.00. Serpentine Belt included in price. Unlike the Fords you dont have remove half the Engine. Labour costs are much cheaper.
What was the condition of oil pump? Full of debris or? Looking clean
Hey Baz, informative video as usual. Thanks. A question though, is it worth changing the lube pump belt and water pump at the same time as this job?
They do get replaced buddy
I keep having seized bolts on the air conditioning compressor I’ve had to remove the sump with a/c compressor still bolted to sump on a couple which makes it very difficult to refit as it’s so heavy
what if you let the bolts soak in rust remover? like over night
good camera very good vid
So my question for you barry is. Are the ford wetbelt engines better than the peuegeot citroen wet belt engines.
Not had a great deal to do with the PSA... I've done a few but not done enough to call it, but they are 100 times easier to replace
Any engine that requires that level of disassembly to renew a belt is a bloody joke. Thanks for the video as it is a reminder to not get any vehicle with this wet belt crap.
A girl a work with just payed 2.5k for this job plus a front wishbone replacement on a mk 7 fiesta ford dealership did the work...
Well…..looks like I’m buying a new camera now, I want to be able to zoom in too 😂
😂😂😂😂 it's all about the zoom
Baz, I enjoy your videos very thorough in your content and detailing. I have a couple of questions, that I and others would like to know, Ford changed the engines to chain drive during 2021, I believe a quick way to tell if it’s a chain drive and not a wet belt drive is the position of the turbo which has been moved from the front to the rear of the engine, is this correct ?, also with the new chain drive engines have Ford also replaced the wet belt drive for the oil pump with chain drive, I asked this of a mechanic at the local Ford dealership and claimed he did not know the answer to the questions. I have a 2021 Ford Puma and would like to know what the future holds on this subject
These are related to the peugeot 1.2 thp engines but on the peugeot i didnt have to remove the timing cover, just an inspection cover and the floating crank pulley. The belt can be fed down from the top.
You don't need the torque multi plyer ft does the same thing
Hi baz you got any videos on how to
bleed brakes drums on the back of my fiesta St line.
Thank you
They're all the same on how you bleed them buddy
Have you changed a belt on a 1.0 turbo civic ? What do you think of the Honda 1.0l engines?
You are a good engineer but get some racking to put things on please. The floor is for feet and dirt. Plus things on the floor are great trip hazards. Cheers.
Just wondering why disconnect the coils rather then use flood mode to build oil pressure?
Unaware of the flood mode but I've recently been told about it
Hi Baz , if the cam belt is in one piece, can the oil pump belt be replaced without dropping the sump?..
No it needs to come off buddy because of the plastic cover on the oil pump
MADNESS! Who 'designs' these engines'???
not like this happen in service where i was before -
no possible to speak and disturb the mechanic -
he must work quickly to grow the company
i was concern to destroy all my cable/hose clip
terifiant experience
what brand/kit is the torque multiplier baz?
It seems to me anyone who buys an 3 cyl eco boost ford after the warranty runs out
just lined themselves up for a bit of trouble, just like used EV buyers do with possible
battery problems although an EV battery will no doubt last longer than an ecoboost
engine. Personally I would not entertain either type of power plant 'cause I tend to
keep my cars long term, although it is getting more and difficult to buy a car with an
even number of cylinders ( that could be called a daily driver ).
How much do you charge baz?
I don't like to put prices I like to keep it fair for others garages that are doing the repairs... I'd hate to be the chap on the internet that does it cheaper.... It just saves debates
@@bazmeredith any chance of a ball park figure ?
@@RAYMONDTAYLOR-pz3mw expect anywhere between 1k and £1400 ISH
How miles had the Focus done or did I miss that bit?
I see some garages do these jobs in a day, in your opinion is this safe?
That camera is clear as day!
Cheers buddy.... Still 1080p... Got a video with a Mustang tomoz hopefully be in 4k
@@bazmeredith This is what i like to see ! Progression and appetite.
There appears to be a problem in the industry and with the car buying public at large in relation to the concept of preventative maintenance, (not at this garage 🤙).
I feel too many years of highly reliable cars and have brought the industry and the car buying public back into reality very quickly with components failing regularly. This is because of the change in technology chosen by; or forced on manufacturers, eg, timing chains, wet belts, 3 cylinder engines and emission related technology which the car buying public were not openly told about or how to care for these fickle technologies.
This attitude of lethargy towards preventative maintenance might go some way to explain why so many are not checking brake fluid and why the car buying public don’t seal to care about or know about brake fluid and it’s hydroscopic properties
Do you say reciprocal instead of receptacle?
God knows, possibly 😂
How much do you charge for that?
So how much is it?
Love your videos but the old camera was substantially better , Sharper , more vivid colours and stable . Watch any of the previous videos on a medium size monitor its very obvious . When you pan or move it lags behind terribly . Name the original one please .
9:00 😂😂😂
Special effects 😂
Great video, and your camera has zoom a roony 😂😂😂👍
Anybody know how nuch it costs for Baz to do this job
Baz knows.
We should appreciate real mechanics more.Treat them like engineers which they in reality are.How many models of cars and every model other belt system.If you think this one is complicated,look at videos of some VW models.A near impossible job for diy like me.Great camera job and how many hours of editing?
Owner of ecocrap here. 2 services a year and only covering 5k miles a year. Owned for 4 years. Gone through 2 clutches and an engine. Old engine had done 50k before it spat out dummy and died. This new piece of garbage has done 15k. Hoping to get rid soon but I’ll probably only get £2.50 and a chocolate bar.
Worse car I’ve ever owned.
Bring back pushrods!!
If its a great engine, why do some fail when perfectly serviced at a main ford dealer? Something else is going on here starting the self destruction process. Belt quality, vibration, can gear tolerance. It's not just about oil.
It is a crap engine, if only for the 'difficulty' of belt inspection and bankruptcy level expense of belt replacement. How many otherwise good cars have been scrapped over this issue?? A lot!
Insane design.
Terrible things to drive, had a ecoboost Fiesta 1.0 which was OK if you revved the nuts off it but no low end torque at all. False economy to use an engine so small.
Back in the seventies the Essex and Cologne V6 engines were prone to fibre timing gears self destructing and camshaft lobes wearing prematurely; nothing changes.
The few fails I have seen have been cars with more short drives and using Ron95. Short drives on these would dictate a oil change sooner than the typical annual most people tend to do.
Zoooooommm 🤙🤙
I’ve been a diesel mechanic for 43 years and I hate these wet belt id sooner extract m9r injectors than ford shit
Did you replace the little round / oval type of seal in the timing casing?
Yes mate
50,000 miles (80,000km) is a very short belt change interval for such a huge PIA job, that alone is a perfect reason NOT to buy something with this engine. Alldata service info states 150,000 mile change interval, why so soon?
Same old story, people skip services, don't keeping up on basic maintenance, and engines get a bad name.
These same people would destroy a ferrari, and say it's the car's fault.
100%
Do you need the torque multiplier for these or not
Yes. But they can be done without but not advisable
I did not buy it, with a 3/4 big torque wrench :do 300Nm and 90 degrees angle ,it worked out just fine.The clamping force is the same,I reckon.
Won’t touch(buy) a wet belt car…..design is criminal…..
Ford…….the last Ford I’d driven was in 1996!
For all the Ford lovers. They do realize Baz's mortgage is paid by customers keeping these wet belt vehicles.😂
As a ex mechanic of 29 years,now beef farmer,,come on,,,its A FORD,,,Fix or Repair Daily,,they are crap,,,Toyota or Honda only...Anything else is just inadequate..
So much bad publicity these engines. On my third now , always been reliable for me.
100% great cars and engines
Cannot agree with you.
Has there every been a worse Ford Engine ?.
You are saying not to use anything abrasive on the sump and timing cover when you are cleaning it. There is nothing more abrasive than a wire brush wheel in a drill? I dont get that. Or was it a wire wool wheel, if so then i understand that. Maybe i miss understood?
+1
It's a soft brush some are aggressive
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Luke 5:32
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an absolutely ridiculous design, from an engineering point of view whoever heard of pulleys not keyed to shafts
If *you’re shocked. Not your.
Basic grammar.