Ok so I’m sure many will immediately skip the disclaimer which is only 30 seconds long. If you comment anything that could have been answered by simply looking at the disclaimer I will not reply to it.
Great vid, question, how do you feel about observation haki countering genjustu. I would assume the very definition of observation haki counters it, considering that a basic sharingan could provide some resistance to it
@@avoidgel1685 verse equalization would have to be applied since basically every character that isn't from Naruto would be immune to Genjutsu. But I think that if the Genjutsu does work they could probably still sense where the opponent is and what they would do since it isn't reliant on the 5 senses
@@El_Eon_ Bra you did alot of things wrong not only did you use the lowest interpretation of narutos speed to get One piece higher But the thing showing the One piece planet with moons and such also really exists in Our world at a time we're people thought everything revolved around the earth you can even see pictures of it on Google that's what Oda was inspired by the One piece planet ain't that. Big thirdly you used Off scaling for kaido which is scaling kaido higher than weaker characters or relative characters feats but you did not do the same for the naruto verse interms of Ap or shit you just used fucking calcts Madara using selective gravity to pull a meteor from outer space is calcts to planetary levels of kinetic energy and even half of the ninetails being stated to have the power to turn the world to ash are we serious kaido gets stomped stop praising him
I mean back when they were younger it actually was a close fight, the only reason moria is weak now is bc Kaido beat him, but they were closely matched
@@boxlad7583 That still messes me up thinking Moria was somehow at any point in the story close to Kaido. It's still wild knowing how trash Moria is in Thriller Bark.
@@pep4338I agree, but at the same time moria was also young and not in his prime, he just stopped training and lost his will after Kaido beat him. If moria kept training he could've had advanced armament and future sight by now and he would actually be Yonko commander level at the very least
@@p_rnhubnah, its just it's category being a fish isn't really a part of the fruits awakening cycle; an example would be the cat cat fruit model leopard, or ox ox fruit model giraffe. Both didn't need to be their base animals, they are just classifications. ( Which would also explain why momonosuke immediately was a dragon, rather then being a fish.)
@@p_rnhub yeah No. So much for Uchiha's being normal human. If you think about it. Uchiha is no different than Oni or other races in fiction. I think that assessment is not a good assessment. Uchiha is no different than Oni or heck might has far more natural potential than normal oni's😅
I'm only 7 minutes in but you've clearly put a lot of in-depth thought into analyzing sources and comparative values. Props to you my guy, this video is very well-done.
27 minutes in now, and I have some additional remarks. I believe the fact that Might Guy was able to destroy the truth-seeking orbs and not be injured is because he had an aura of intense chakra (red). Similarly, the orbs in the fights of Naruto, Madara, Sasuke, and Kaguya were destroyed because of interactions between 6 Paths Chakra/Sage Mode Chakra. Hence, I actually think Kaido would be unable to deal with Madara's TSO. Furthermore, I think the final form of Madara, even if blitzed and reached by Kaido, would not succumb to death purely via blunt force and pummeling. Madara has many defensive techniques on top of the Human Path to extract the soul, and even in his weaker forms (the past two you talked about), he displayed massive feats of pure strength such as completely overpowering the Tailed Beasts that weigh tens of gigatons. Pulling from the VS Battles Wiki that you cited a few times, they are each listed at category 5-C, which is quite interesting. However, due to the nature of how impervious and specific someone must be to deal with Jubidara, I would ultimately declare him the victor in most confrontations with Kaido. Yes, as mentioned at 27:00, TSO should one-shot Kaido.
One more thing, as you addressed a lot of what I said in your final few questions. You mention Madara may need a controller plugged in to properly hit his TSO or human path soul extraction, but I would instead argue Madara is an extraordinary genius in terms of learning amidst battle and chakra control/techniques (stated on VS Battle as well). Having this higher battle IQ would allow him to manipulate Kaido into being encircled or trapped by the TSO and inevitably hit, or at the very least stalled long enough for soul-extraction to begin. Furthermore, if we apply TSO's properties of being indestructible without being interacted with by 6-Paths chakra, then Madara can theoretically mega-expand the TSO to simply reach Kaido, or shield himself indefinitely.
@@RoboShaoran You know I have a personal rule that I'm going to enforce my next video onward but in this case just cuz you seem to have a very level take about this and I appreciate it. I'm going to let you know. I think I just figured How strong Luffy actually is. I'll have to put a lot of thought into this one. But here's the thing I don't disagree that Madara can win. I'm cool with either answer. But saying that his battle genius or whatever is going to get him out of this is disingenuous because it doesn't consider that Madara and Sasuke both have the same pattern of EMS. That told him a lot about Sasuke, and he did figure out that they had six paths powers but that didn't help him much. He got blitzed by Sasuke while understanding how Sasuke fights and with SP senjutsu. Their fight never hunted at him being ahead of them. He was running away after he fought out he couldn't win with his second rinnegan. And even then Naruto and Sasuke dealt with everything he threw at them. They were never in a bad position or out of control. And as I mentioned we never saw his full strength so you can't argue for a hypothetical. Only for what's given. In his strongest quantifiable form 2 Rinnegan 10 tails Madara is still only weaker than Kaguya and so are Naruto and Sasuke, the best argument you can make for Madara is that he's relative to Naruto and Sasuke who still high diff struggled with Kaguya with Help from DMS Kakashi. Kaguya. Madara is weaker than that and I don't believe he could figure a specific situation to deal with a power system that he's never even heard of or would have any idea of how it works. Kaido would just be a guy that can see in the future, he still has to dodge or block his hits. When they are faster. And he hits about his hard. I'm giving Madara everything. I just don't see how he gets out of this.
@@El_Eon_ Thank you for taking the time to respond, I appreciate your clarification in some of the sentiments! I've been talking it over with some friends and it might come up in a future podcast down the road if we ever do one, as this was an interesting topic. I agree that Madara is likely disadvantaged but maybe my personal bias just wants him to win a little bit more...that being said, Kaido IS Him. Hope your personal stuff was taken care of smoothly and I look forward to future vids!
@RoboShaoran -you know guy never touches TSO if he touch them then he will be erased from the existence, that wasn't might guy who broke TSO, that was kakakshi who made a hole inside TSO by kamui and guy just went through it and break madara's backbone and then he lost to maintain his TSO cause guy just come out of the blue and break his bones and madara's whole body is made up of six path chakra and sage mode that's the reason why TSO was destroyed cause these are the weaknesses of TSO, they just have two weaknesses sage mode and 4D attack potency which can manipulate 4D space just like kamui, kaido will be neg diff by TSO and these aren't the all abilities of madara, also madara tanked teen naruto puch with some of his TSO defence while being almost died from night guy and that puch of teen naruto made cracks on the god tree and then also survived easily from lava style rasenshuriken which totally cut and destroyed the god tree and i tell you that god tree contains almost planet level durability, i am not seeing kaido having that much of strength or AP and bypassing this even with any type of his haki and most of this video's statements can easily be debunked and the list of madara's abilities will be continue.
This is not top tier scaling. He didn’t really account for any verse equalization at all. And the “they’re in character” is just a massive cop out imo.
18:34 this is a fantastic point that most people don’t make. Kaido loves to fight, but not in the way of respecting his opponent and letting them pop off. He goes 100% from the start and is happy if they survive.
@@mr.bubbletea6428 bro one piece planet is estimated to be 100+ times bigger than ours and you have island busters all around with the islands being countriy sized in their verse, and somehow only naruto fans like to try high balling everything they see into planetary
I'm not gonna lie, no one does Naruto vs One Piece as well as you. I watched your Kaidou video twice because it was so well made and the humor got to me. 😂😂😂
@@hlua_bawitlung3829 I've watched One piece you can see the stupidity in here the Entails itself when the ninja alliance was sensing it's power it was shown already to be the size of a small planet Then Madara absorbed that and added power from nine and eight tails plus sage mode which is a huge 100 to 10 times multiplier and the nine tails itself being stated twice to have enough power to turn the world to ash And kaidos strongest One time attack is calcts by himself to be a small planet level power So how is kaido beating Madara when his outstated
Kaido wasn’t called the “strongest creature” for nothing or the phrase “It’s it’s 1v1, always bet on Kaido” Kaido is the only person so far shown fighting on par and getting the better of gear 5
@@aceclover758PTS One Piece was not gearing up to be this strong except for when WB shifted tectonic plates/the entire ocean, when Kuzan froze the entire ocean, WB can crack an island in two, Akainu can tank said punches, BB gaining WB's power albeit weaker. Other than the Marineford war, OP was never that strong. (Closest you can imply is Croc actually awakened and effected all of alabasta which is calculated as the same size as Australia).
You are actually good at power scaling, most people just glaze which anime they like more and wont accept when their anime character is weaker, but this is actually really accurate, and i don't see any bias.
@@simpledude6969 it's been 2 weeks+ now, i don't remember this video, also, madara will win and if you don't believe this then just know the powerscaling, abilities and hax of madara.
This is probably my favorite video comparing Naruto and One Piece. This was incredibly fair and unbiased, and you've honestly earned my sub for the sheer amount of effort you put in
@@scottiecurrie7927 We both know that kaido is getting shit smacked litterly he used off scaling for kaido and calcts for naruto characters Off scaling is basically saying a certain character is above a certain character so that should go in speed and strength Why was he biased at the end of the video he stats kaidos strongest attack is about small planetary level Why is this Bad because the sheer Chakra pool of the ni Tentails was almost as big as the entire planet of naruto and that wasn't even it at full power Than Madara gets it and adds the eight and ninetails to his collection what do you think will happen
Kaido really be that late game fed Nasus with over 1000 stacks. The moment he gets you, you die or lose 80% of your health instantly. That's Kaido in league terms.
This was a very good breakdown. You don't see many people power scaling one piece outside the verse, but once you do the scale of their battles is absolutely massive. In Naruto the 5kage get overwhelmed by a meteor, meanwhile one piece characters are dealing with them in dressrosa. Kaido is truly built differently
Insane quality and very enjoyable to watch. Since i havent watched Naruto ive found it hard to scale it compared to the One Piece verse. But this video and "Kaido vs 5 Kage" video, paints a really nice picture.
In my opinion, verse equalization simply does not work within the context of versus battles. I get that some may make the argument that it does at least for some specific scenarios, but ultimately it puts the characters in a disingenuous position. Not to mention that it then creates many arguments based on head canon.
@@El_Eon_but without verse equalization verses battles are pointless. How can you put a bleach character against another character without verse equalization? Because it would not be possible to see or sense them unless you’re one of them or if they let you see them. Verse equalization is good in verse battles because it levels the field. All you literally have to equalize is their power system. E.g mana=chakra, cursed energy=chakra.
@@DiepreyeMoses you don't need verse equalization for any of those examples. Plenty of characters in other verses can see and interact with spirits and the soul like Naruto, DB, Yuyu Hakusho etc. You can also just have a stipulation that says character A can see and interact with the bleach character. It's not good for versus battle because it doesn't equal the playing field. I already mentioned it to the other guy. It gives one person a massive advantage and more than likely doesn't give any advantage to the other or even worse can put them at a disadvantage. It also makes a bunch of arguments that now have to be made out of head canon. Would Gojo's eyes inform him about how bleach characters Zanpakuto work even before Bankai is used? Because he can do that with CTs. Would Madara or Pain be capable of absorbing Haki attacks or Devil fruit attacks? Because Haki and DFs aren't the same and only one of those can equal chakra. Can Haki force you out of Genjutsu? There is no way to argue any of these without it being an argument based on headcanon. Starting to get my point Verse equalization does not work
@@El_Eon_Similarly, though, many power systems allow you to suppress another via possessing more of some energy than another (like basically killing people through virtue of having more reiatsu) than another. I think rather than being disingenuous, verse equalization is just another discussion entirely; at least that’s how I see it. Sure, you could talk through the nitty gritty of what would work and what wouldn’t when comparing two different power systems, but that in-of-itself is merely a form of attempting to integrate two different power systems together.
@@El_Eon_ I think in certain situations, Equalization can work, because otherwise it just makes the versus battle boring, in said situations. An example I like to use are logia DFs from One Piece. Because the user of the fruit is immune to almost all forms of damage, except in specific situations, like being wet for Crocodile, rubber for Enel, or something hotter than the flames produced by the Mera Mera no Mi for Ace/Sabo, as well as Haki in general. Verse Equalization makes the fruit user be able to be hit by characters that don't have a way to use the elemental weakness of the fruit, but have acces to something similar to Haki, which is most anime characters. Another example is Percy Jackson, compared to the JJK Verse. Percy Jackson's main weapon is his sword made out of Celestial Bronze. Weapons made of Celestial Bronze can only harm monsters, gods, and demigods, but don't do anything against normal humans. He still can harm normal humans in other ways, like using water manipulation, but without Equalization, he loses his main form of offense. Using Equalization, where Percy's sword can hit users of Cursed Energy, the matchup is a lot fairer. (That being said, Percy still loses, he has no answer to someone like Sukuna or Gojo)
You clearly looked into the feats and took that out of the anime and manga just to make a sensible scale of these two powerhouses, I'm glad that the comments are being chill and understanding as well, well done
I really like the quality of the video and information not to calc heavy like a physics class but more grounded and enjoyable to watch nice I will be adding this channel to my must watch
Got an exam tomorrow, and I am studying Madara vs Kaido 😭 To be honest, this was the best and most fair way of comparing 2 characters we love. I found your channel by random and this for sure, needs more attention! The fact that everything was canon and presented with facts and sources, it was just like an elegant dish served to our minds.
He compared every single feat of madara overall with his strongest forms and still was not enough for kaido but the 10 tails madara is just immortal and by activating infinite tsukuyomi kaido is cooked. Now you tell me how is madara downplayed ? Kaido has immense physical strength, speed and endurance . I'd say the 10 tails madara is just a cheat code
@ff-legends9006 bro if see naruto then clearly know he down played horifcly Kaido only have durability in his side speed hax everything go to madera side and whole viedio about how strong is kaido but not any mention how strong madera Is as many point are missing
@sonalinayak5537 yeah and when he said alive madara got cut by sasuke's sword so his durability is but he forgot to mention sasuke's sword is kusanagi blade which further modified by orochimaru and it's again amped by sasuke's lightning chakara it's sharp. Enough to cut zabuza's blade which is one of the strongest blade in Naruto verse....and he also downpla's Naruto verse speed way to much...
@RohitNikam-ps2zj yes bro infact he let him hit Madera can casualy destroy telipoting minato with kcm and he is telling kaido can soeed blaze him As kaido can't touch madera because of limbo he can't defet his from above rinnegan
Interesting video. Personally I wouldn't use vsbattle as a valid source of information. They have made huge mistakes due to misconceptions in the past and some characters still get wanked to this day. It's also good to post your sources so they may be analyzed for accuracy and potential scrutiny due to potentially needing to correct mistakes.
@@arslanabbasi888 For a general idea of how some of the site users views the character, sure but it's still safer to do your own information gathering and try to be as objective as possible without assumption. I just checked and a city level character is still scaled to universal due to a misconception. This could be biased due to the small sample size so I checked a few more random characters I thought of and most seemed fine. The issue is when you use a wrongly scaled page or one that's controversal. You end up mindlessly regurgitating false information or outlier feats that really shouldn't have happened and the character doesn't scale near to that end in the future or consistently. EDIT: Forgot to add that video game characters has been scaled incorrectly too since gameplay may not be accurate to the lore or in general media there is gag scenes or visuals/wordings used to hype up a move/character.
The last thing I should mention is TSO Their weakness is senjutsu, Sasuke and kaguya had senjutsu to break them. Not only that TSO are also "Space-Time" but looking at the kanji they are only separate "space" as stated by Zatsu. And Guy didn't break a TSO, They broke because they came in contact with madara, kamui opened up a hole in that TSO, Guy went in and punched madara and madara came into contact with his own TSO (and because they are weak to senjutsu, of which madara had) they broke.
@@nobody5066 I think what the guy is saying is that once Guy was inside the TSO with Madara, Guy used Madara's body like a Senjutsu glove to break the TSO from within using his own strength.
@@eddieboston6540 and even when it came down to it Madaras most powerful form can literally go either way to either kaido or madara… if you actually watched the video everything was explained in a very digestible way very unbiased
@@User89-v4whe claimed that Madara couldn’t hurt kaido because of some dc feats when we know Madara can scale to the tailed beasts that can destroy continents.
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou so you clearly didn’t watch the video with the intent to listen you just want to disagree.. you can’t say a feat is wrong if you don’t know anything abt the other show.
One MAJOR mistake you made in comparing Susanoo Sword to Kaido's Breath....... The full power of Kaido's Breath is what destroyed the single mountain..... But it was the _shockwave_ of the _power_ of the sword swing that bisected the mountains in half. These mountains where not close to him, his Susanoo is just _that_ big. Those mountains were at minimum a few kilometers away from the battlefield from which the Kage were fighting. So you can't compare the full blast of Kaido to the shockwaves of the sword swing and then say since Kaido can tank his own blast then he can tank a _DIRECT_ cut from Perfect Susanoo Sword Swing. You can make the argument he'd tank the shockwaves, not the actual strike
I could possibly agree that the actual Blast Breath doesn’t calc as impressively as Madara’s mountain cut, even if only because I haven’t bothered to calc the feat myself. That being said, given the calc I saw from Zaelleaz’s Naruto Scaling videos, Madara’s full power Susanoo swing would pale in comparison to even the Dressrosa cast (ie. Zaelleaz got Madara’s mountain cut up to mountain level destruction, meanwhile at a low end G4 Luffy uprooting parts of Dressrosa were already at island level) and Kaido scales far above them.
@@michaeldorsey9231 Try unsheathing a sword with a friend to the side of you, ask them how much damage it did then slice them. Lol. Fast air doesnt = actual material force = mass * acceleration all that mass was air imagine how much more damage it would be with a condensed material.
@@kaianimations675 I am more than aware of the difference in power between air pressure and whatever object is generating it. The problem is that even accounting for that difference in power, with how low Madara’s mountain cut actually calcs, even if we assumed that the air blade was 1000x weaker Madara’s Susanoo still wouldn’t be any stronger than mountain level. And considering how even at a low end several One Piece characters calc to island level (ie, Mihawk’s frozen tidal wave cut, Zoro cutting Onigashima’s horn even on a low end size for the island, Dressrosa Luffy uprooting sections of Dressrosa), I do not believe that Madara’s Susanoo would make a difference
@@El_Eon_ just finished the video , love the fact you didn't downplay either side besides genjutsu not working, which i agree with but i think even if genjutsu works haki is a 6th sense and can still souls/spirits without sight and can outright neg abilities Devilfruit powers are actual abilities which change dna etc. Also lastly nature based elements are stronger than charka based things for example kirin is actually lightning not charka based lightning so its superior and the same for standard fire and charka based fire like fireball jutsu for example I'm saying that to say kaido elemental control is more devastating than madara own based off of narutoverse lore on average and basically at both peaks. 10/10 video bro
@@halojeff15 yeah there's a whole argument that could be made that Kaido would also be immune to infinite tsukuyomi IF it's true that the cats and all other life forms also have chakra but I couldn't find any info on that in time. As for the way chakra and natural elements interact, it's interesting because they can even affect Otsutsuki characters like Jigen granted he was at the weakest point possible.
@@El_Eon_ true isshiki was weakened at the time but will you do a luffy vs naruto video one day? i feel like it's played out but i am interested in your take , also outside op and naruto would you do other verses? like jjk, aot or bleach? it would be dope if you did a big 3 video as well.
@@halojeff15 I may do Luffy vs Naruto after a sub goal! My reason being that It's been an internet debate for a while now and I'd also like to wait till Luffy gets some better feats since this is the third arc of One piece. Not so much because I'd rather luffy win, but because This is an end of series version of Naruto and Luffy is only at the start of the third arc. I do think they are somewhat close at this point. Ask for other verses. I do watch JJK and I have seen bleach though I'm not the biggest fan of bleach for a couple of reasons. I could make a video on that if people are interested but ultimately I don't know where exactly to get a lot of scans for bleach. The amount of nice things that I have to say about bleach more or less end at music and character design 😅. And if you go by the series itself, there isn't really a lot of concrete evidence that helps scale many attacks or feats without calcs. Like I really haven't been able to find a light speed in the series but I haven't done that much research anyway. As for JJK, I could do some versus battles on it, but it's also another case where I don't know where to get any scans. Dragon Ball is extremely high tier in terms of power levels. I'd have to compare it to something like sailor Moon or Saint seiya for any fight to be fair and I have never watched any of those. As for AOT, I'm not entirely done with the series, but I'm not the biggest fan of it. I only started liking the show after episode 64 or 65
Hate people being so negative in power scaling. It’s fun no matter who you like more. I’d hope if you’re clicking on the video, you like both One Piece and Naruto, and aren’t just clicking on it to defend your favorite series. I think it’s especially stupid to complain about cross series power scaling, as it will have literally no effect on the characters in their overall stories
31:00 since the width of the sandora river in arabasta is 50km as vivi mentioned, that makes the country much bigger than australia and even comparable to the moon's diameter, and according to it's size on the one piece planet it makes the planet at least a 100+ times bigger than our earth in volume
There's instances of GENJUTSU working on beings without chakra in Naruto such as Manda. An argument can be made due to this, A GENJUTSU against A One Piece character would end up using their Haki to perform said Genjutsu. Madara doesn't really use Genjutsu in character anyway, he only uses it on fodder. He prefers to actually fight.
He said no verse equalization in the video. Which actually helps the Naruto verse more since Haki can power nullify abilities place on their bodies. Even observation Haki could be argue to see pass illusion.
Yeah the genjutsu that comes from the sharingan isn't necessarily controlling person's chakra as other types of genjutsu in naruto that are made by a none uchiha cz the sharingan and its genjutsu take over the mind and not the chakra better say but long time genjustsu it's what effect the chakra that doesn't even exist in op
@@StudyFors4 Every genjutsu affects the brain or the body. But the way they achieve that is through perturbing the enemy's chakra or injecting their own chakra into their opponents. Either of those will be either ineffective or noticed by One Piece characters. The only thing they will not notice is Izanagi or Izanami (unless they have future sight)
No way an attack that couldn't destroy Onigashima is small planetary attack. Luffy's banjrank clash with Kaido's attack should obliterate the island if it was what you calculate it to be. But all we saw where shockwaves that weren't that big. When Minato teleported Ten tails bomb to a far away place, the shinobi alliance still felt the shockwave. No way an attack of small planetary level would produce such small waves. And if it were planetary, Kaido going through the Island should destroy the Island. I feel feat scalers try to apply physics to scenes where they bring about a lot of assumptions and omit newtons third law.
The Bajarang Gun was going to destroy Onigashima, that's why Momo had to get it out of the way. Comparing a bomb explosion to the clash of two attacks that don't have an area of effect beyond their designated target isn't exactly an equal comparison. Kaido went straight through the ground and kept traveling till he hit magma.
@@El_Eon_ and that is exactly what I'm trying to say. These are two attacks that are calculated to be small plant. The speed and strength of these attacks, upon collision should create a massive shockwave due to the release of the high pressure air. For a small planetary attack, these shockwaves should be really felt. I believe even the island should have shook. But there was nothing like that. From a scientific point, it doesn't make sense, except we don't scale those attacks to planetary. If shockwaves of merely offensive grenade could hurt, shouldn't shockwaves of small planetary attacks have significant impact?
@@kweku_tate07 The issue I'm having with this assessment is that you're inputting too much real world logic. You got to remember that this is a world where people can eat fruits that can turn them into elements and animals. If you apply enough scientific logic to it, they shouldn't be light speed, Luffy shouldn't be capable of applying the qualities of rubber onto solid objects around him, the samurai and leftover fighters should be burning up from the intense heat that kaido's flame dragon bagua generating considering the proximity. There's A lot of things that don't make sense if you're trying to apply real world scientific logic. It's fiction, You can argue, for example that the Indra's arrow and tailed beast rasenshuriken explosion should be way larger and more destructive considering the two people that threw them and the fact that the two people that threw them are stronger than the 10 tails but All they did was create a crater larger than the one Hashirama made. You'll have an easier time accepting a couple of things in fiction if you don't try to apply real science to everything. That being said, I only claimed that if you want to accept the calc as a planetary feat, then you can do so. It's not exactly something that needs to be accounted for. The only reason why we use calcs is to quantify how powerful these attacks would hypothetically be if real world math is used.
@@El_Eon_ I totally agree with you on this, we can't apply absolute scientific logic to fictional movies. But you see, in the context of vs battles, there are always going to be bias esp of different verses. An example is how some Naruto fans scale the god tree to planetary just because it absorbs chakra of all living beings on earth. At to a certain degree, they might be right. And in that situation, it makes Naruto's lava rasenshuriken a planetary attacks. But that is clearly bullocks imo. So to me, so far as we aren't using enough real life logic, some of these vs battles are actually meaningless which is why I've always not been a fan of scaling feats. But great video, much respect to your research and effort to stay neutral as much as possible
@@kweku_tate07 I Don't know if I completely agree with the idea that versus battles are inherently meaningless. To an extent, yes that is true. However, I think they are interesting thought experiments when done properly. Obviously there's always going to be a certain amount of bias regardless of a person, but even then if done in a "proper way" then an argument can be made for any two characters battling it out. My biggest problem with the versus battle community as a whole is just the explicit bias that some people seem to have when it comes to their favorite characters or stories. I don't understand how some people can look at some facts or information as it's presented and always make excuses just because they can't or don't want to see their character lose. It's not the end of the world and power scaling as a whole is an ever-changing meta. I for one and someone that believes that the one piece verse is catching up to the Naruto versus in terms of power, but whether or not Luffy can beat Naruto is not something that ultimately means anything. Whether or not the end of one piece ends up having characters that are more powerful than Naruto characters is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Both stories are fantastic for their own specific reasons.
actual really fair and good video, if I ever have argument about character vs character, it's honestly one of the most toxic experiences I have, I even had situation when somebody downplayed sasuke sharingan because he couldn't predict/see haku.... while he wasn't even using said sharingan and then he proceed to have 10 excuses on to why haku couldn't move at light speed between mirrors or that sasuke somehow dodged his attacks without seeing him moving because yes
I love your channel and its crazy seeing the Naruto fans don't their best to downgrade kaido and over hype madara loke they always do. Naruto and One Piece are comparable but One Piece charecters are stronger and faster, naruto charecters judt have way more haxs
Truth be told, I would say that the Naruto verse is still way stronger than the one piece verse especially if you include the boruto era. Kaguya does scale above anything that any of the characters in one piece can do so far. But I'd say one piece is catching up
Genuinely man you seem like the most fair power scaler I’ve seen on UA-cam. Others I’ve seen go back on their own word, or change the language they use to describe the same feat to downplay or hype it up depending on biases. Granted I’ve only seen two of your videos, but they were very consistent. Keep this shit up, you’ve definitely earned a new subscriber
Hence why I wrote a paragraph stating that I'm not sure because normal animals shouldn't have chakra but some cats were affected by the I.T. In some sources like Naruto wiki it's stated that "all life forms have chakra" which would then include the cats, therefore justifying the argument that Kaido wouldn't be affected by I.T. But I can't really use the wiki as a valid canon source and I didn't have enough time to double check the whole series
@@El_Eon_ Everyone got chakra from kaguya coming to earth, when she first arrived with and used infinite sukoyomi when none had chakra. She still had everyone induced in the genjutsu.
@@El_Eon_it makes sense for rinnegan/sharingan genjutsu to work on people without chakra because they use it to conquer universes where people and animals dont have chakra systems. They probably have the physical and spiritual energies that make up chakra even if they dont have a "chakra system" given that ninshu can crrate chakra systems for people that dont have it. We know that genjutsu used by various dojutsu users works on animals that existed before kaguya came to the elemental nations that just used natural energy, like sage animals.
Didn't Kaido fight Big Mom for 3 days? Big Mom, the woman who manipulates souls? Can the human path even move his soul? Personally, I think Haki comes from ones soul/spirit. So i don't think his soul is being removed.
The thing about Big Mom’s soul abilities is that her soul stealing can be resisted if the opponent lacks any fear of Big Mom; being able to resist that unfortunately doesn’t entail being able to resist other soul based abilities, because that weakness for Big Mon doesn’t translate to a weakness for Nagato or Madara.
One thing I noticed in theese naruto vs op debates is that naruto fans usually relay on scaling the ap and not dc ( like you did) so there are like planetary feats and more and end the debate like that, on the other hand op fans usually compleatly ignore ap scaling and give arguments on how they're hax can overcome everything. That said Im not saying you are biased but it really just depends on how you do the math and wich method you decide to use, most people just say "well madara is star level because ... So kaido who only scales to planet highball cant do shit to him" So overall I enjoyed your video and I likee how you talked about basically everything in they're arsenal and how it would be utilized, not many people consider the "in character" stuff ypu did. The only thing I can say that I disagree with is the naruto speed scaling ( tbh everyone has a different opinion about this and you picked the most reliable) but back in part 1 itachi used a jutsu on kakashi that was stated to be light speed... So if you consider this the speed gab is to reconsider but idk if this feat got debunked or something so idk if you could give me a motivation it would be nice. (Also people who say kid naruto is light speed because of the haku statement are biased because they litteraly fight against sound ninjas the arc after and cant dodge until some powerups, but I could see kakashi and itachi being light speed at that point)
Your comment is quite fair, all things considered. Say that the Madara being a star level threat is something I can't agree with for a couple of reasons. The only star level feats in the entire Naruto series is Kaguya's ever expansive truth seeking orb. Madara does not scale to that because he's weaker than her. He never displayed an attack That's even remotely that destructive. He also hasn't tanked anything, even remotely close to a star level attack and Naruto and Sasuke who I believe are actually stronger than him based on their performance against them before he was betrayed couldn't have tanked that truth seeking orbit. As for the Itachi statement, I'm not sure what jutsu you're referring to unless it's tsukuyomi which requires direct eye contact and isn't so much a light speed attack more so it distorts the target sense of time.
@@El_Eon_ the star scaling I gave him was something I made up on the moment because tbh idk where he scales at😅, it was simply to explain how I feel about the people that talk about this debate, as for the itachi move it was some sort of water bullet jutsu that in the databooks is stated to be light speed, or at least this is what I heard from other people who made naruto scaling videos. I think the water bullet light speed feat could be a good one because haku was stated to be able to move at light speed but the arc after with the sound ninjas kinda proves that, at least against naruto and sasuke he didnt. Thats why I like to connect the "he possibly can move at light speed" from haku with the itachi jutsu statement, because haku was able to move fast enought to step in front of kakashi's chidori (wich gives the user more speed if im not mistaken) and kakashi later was able to react to a possible light speed jutsu. Kakashi was kinda rusty during the land of waves arc and thats why I feel like haku did go light speed to block kakashi's chidori and thats why the databook says he could but naruto and sasuke are obviously not light speed at that moment but kakashi could've. So kakashi noticed he was rusty (especially after his encounter with kabuto) and I believe by the point he encountered itachi He would have most likely reached that light speed required to dodge the jutsu. Its kinda tricky how I view it but most people just straight up ignore theese statements calling them hyperbolys or take them too seriously, since I dont think either of theese is fun I tried connecting what I could and I ended up with this... Oh also one other thing, how do you feel about the kurama statement "he could burn the world to ash" because idk how to judge that one.
@@PinoHolly04 well so here's the thing right, Itachi's water bullets have never been stated to be light speed and I don't think there's any data book entry that even remotely hints at the fact that they are. Haku's ice mirror Jutsu specifically allows him to move from a mirror to mirror at the speed of light. And to be fair, that is the only light speed statement in all of part 1. As for Kakashi, I don't think he was rusty and I'm not sure as to what may have hinted at that. As for the kurama being capable of turning the world to ash, i am 90% sure that refers to the full nine tails. And even then there's a massive misconception that people seem to have where being a certain tier of power automatically means that you have the capacity to destroy something instantly. Being a planet, buster does not mean that you can one shot a planet. It means that you have the capability to destroy a planet over a period of time. The Kurama statement can be considered true because it was stated in a data book, however, considering he hasn't shown any feats that even remotely hint at this means that he can destroy the world or at least the surface of the planet by blasting it constantly with tailed beast bombs as he travels across the planet. It's all a matter of interpretation at the end of the day. That would still make him planetary, but more or less surface level, unless you believe that his tailed beast bombs could throughout a time frame Carve way at the world itself, but I don't think he can just do that by volleying in one consecutive wave of blasts.
@@El_Eon_ fair enought, as for the water bullet statement I saw it from other youtube videos and if you google "naruto water bullet light speed statement" you should see it too, but it could be a misstranslation and at that point what I said is basically useless. As for what hinted about kakashi being rusty we know that in his anbu days he was able to constantly use the sharingan even without covering it(like for example in the war arc) but when we see him in the land of waves arc, after the fight against zabuza he basically faints because he overused the sharingan for this reason a lot of people that made videos about this (and me) think that kakashi was actually stronger as an anbu menber than he was back in part 1, after he realized he was rusty he started training again because he thought he needed to in order to "save" sasuke and thats why he is stronger in shippuden and can use the mangekio.
@@PinoHolly04 are you sure you aren't confusing it with the jutsu used against naruto during the war arc? that one has a data book entry of being lightspeed...
Bruh. He underestimated the hell out of madara's speed and strength. There is no way in hell kaido is winning against 1 eyed sm madara. Let alone his 3 eyed version which solos the verse.
@@asadim622 buddy nothing implies madara speed being faster than characters that’s been dodging light pre time skip madara don’t solo shit u people are just over hyping madara’s as always he’s best feat in without 10 tails is multi mountain level while kaido is lefting a whole island while fighting blasting through that island and more speed blitz future sight luffy where base luffy is reacting to light
It's always the smaller channels that do the best work when it comes to powerscaling/vs debates. Good shit my guy, this was super entertaining to listen to
You do such a good job with scaling, and I’m a bit disappointed in the community for downplaying Kaido since his defeat. Also, unrelated but how much do you think Edo Tensei nerfs a character?
Thank you and yeah people will continue to perpetrate this notion that because one piece has been the weakest out of the big three, it will always be the weakest out of the big three, but a mid-series villain like kaido is already catching up to some of the top tiers of the verse. So I don't know. I'm not going to outright state that one piece characters are starting to become more powerful than Naruto characters but soon enough There may be some contention. As for Edo tensei, It's honestly unquantifiable. Maybe they come back at 8/10 of their strength idk, I've seen some other power scalers argue that the Edo tensei nerfs stronger characters more rather than weaker ones because the mid tier fighters Don't seem to be that much weaker than when they were alive.
idk man kaido is said to be the strongest so he aint by no means getting topped any time soon many of one peices high tiers sit around the same level also i dont know what the one peice characters are gonna do against people like kaguya who just has a instant win condition with the ETSO@@El_Eon_
@@joshuaanderson7027 I agree, that's why I can't say one piece characters are stronger or will be stronger only that they are catching up. Eternal true seeking orb is definitely a technique that probably every single one piece character can't handle
This was good. More One Piece vs Naruto content. Maybe something like the Admirals vs Konoha or one of the Yonkou and their entire Empire vs a Shinobi village.
I read the disclaimer but, I think the scaling is good except for the speed. Obviously neither character is ACTUALLY lightspeed and in reality they are probably similar speed. So the excuse of "kaido is speed of light so he can dodge any attack that isn't speed of light" is kind of a bs argument imo.
(Also just because your TOP speed is calculated at lightspeed doesn't mean you are always moving at lightspeed, so by your argument of them trying to enjoy the fight they probably wouldn't be at lightspeed dodging attacks)
@@tristangettingtickled49 I made a whole video on why characters can move at Lightspeed. The tldr images that they can because the author said so. No matter how one chooses to argue if the author keeps making light speed Feats and statements then they're light speed.
@@lmperator it makes perfect sense, fiction doesn't follow the same logic that the real world follows. If the author says something is Lightspeed then it's lightspeed.
@@Packirup1234 uh, law? you do realize his k-room is literally the devil fruit equivalent of internal destruction? or what about any shockwave based attack? like impact dials, fishman karate, tremor fruit, sengoku's shockwaves, etc? and then someone like caesar can't "hurt" kaido, but he could theoretically kill him by removing oxygen. durability is EASILY beaten with hax, and in the one piece world, hax are known as devil fruits.
@@asianpersuasion4901 internal dmg that ignores durability is diffrent from actual physical dmg idg where ur going at but kid is the only known character to hurt kaido with physical dmg than internal destuction
@@Packirup1234 I said "specialized devil fruit or technology" and you basically said no, so I gave you examples. but you seem to be talking about kidd's judo throw/crushing attacks, so let me disprove that too. what you and the youtuber seem to fail to realize is that advanced armament and internal destruction are not the same thing. luffy has advanced armament: internal destruction. the scabbards and zoro have JUST advanced armament, which raises ap and defense. and what did they do with their advanced armament? wound kaido. that's already 10 extra people who can wound kaido with just physical damage. Oh right, there's also yamato, who doesn't have internal destruction. so make that 11 extra.
The naruto speed down play is criminal. Also ap and durability down play is crazy the pain chibaku tensei has calcs that are large island to country. Also the ten tails has multiple multi continental+ feats and madara scales decently to it.
Not really, Madara got hit every time Ay went for a punch. He also got blitzed by KCM2 2 Naruto while he had Hashirama's Sage mode. Ay tops out at Lightspeed and I went over why Kaido is WAY faster than light. Madara's fastest quantifiable attack was the light fang which was Lightspeed.
@@El_Eon_wrong naruto has many other light speed feats like darui using storm release which is light or haku moving at the light speed in her mirrors. Also if you really want to argue how can kaido be much faster than light if a much stronger luffy is faster than if not similar speeds to kizaru who’s has the light logia and before you say but he can improve his devil fruit kizaru literally stated his kicks are at the speed of light. Also you said kizaru light went faster than the previous state but I don’t really know where that implied or shown
@@jasperking442 Haki needs to use a specific Jutsu to move at the speed of light within that Jutsu. Darui is utilizing storm release which are Jutsu that move at the speed of light, he himself isn't the speed of light. Kizaru said "have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?" During his first appearance to a character that is virtually fodder to him. Kizaru CAN improve his speed and I proved it in the video during his first fight in the Egghead arc in the manga, where he literally improves his acceleration.
wait some push back on the darui thing when he was fighting the guy with the nine tails chakra he controlled the trajectory of the attack so to say he wasnt that fast yet he could control the movement would be false your thoughts on this? @@El_Eon_
The scaling of One Piece is so unbelievably underrated. I've seen several Naruto vs One Piece scaling vids and almost all of them completely fail in giving One Piece characters their full credit in strength, either that be intentional or unintentional. Overall the way I see Naruto characters vs One Piece characters is that even though Naruto consistently has higher AP scaling, it doesn't matter much if most if not all high tier One Piece characters can literally perception blitz them and punch them directly in the organs which is stated that Naruto characters cant grow inner durability.
I do believe that one piece is slowly catching up to Naruto in terms of power, especially since we're only starting the third arc and the jumping power from the pre-time skip to the post time skip and now to the third arc have been massive
@@El_Eon_people seem to forget that naruto characters before kaguya ( except kakashi 10 tails madara and 8 gates guy) were all at max city-low island level, but got a huuge power up at the end of the story, one piece characters been on island level since dressrosa
I liked this video 👍 Although I don't particularly like Vsb wiki scaling cause they changed every year, in 2017 madara was at multi continental, last year madara was at planetary and this year his at moon level, so it's hard to really go on wht they're saying if it keeps changing, and it will change again next year. Other then that I enjoyed this video, you explained everything you could and with possible scenarios which I liked. You remained unbiased and tried listing out everything you know, can't wait to see wht you post in the future ☺
Yeah vs battle wiki are really annoying by changing multiple time the scale of Naruto characters every years. Like it doesn't even make sense they make Kaguya 4-C Large Star but Momoshiki is moon level, and baryon mode naruto, Code NL, Daemon and Isshiki are small planet level bruh '-'
@@El_Eon_ Where do you think he scales at, Also do you think your Kaido videos are repetitive slightly since Its mostly Kaido 😅, Its still good video. For me Luffy is multi continental with ftl+
@@Chillersnowman his ap acales way higher than multi Continental..hw was aleeady continettal plus at dessarosa..he is atleast moon level and low planetary with bajarang gin according to vs battle wiki
@@emmanueladekunle3088 That's true as I did try to lowball Luffy, He should be in that Moon lvl to small planet category if he did a bajrang gun gatling.
Bro dont get angry about the comments they dont know facts and evidences heck most of them will suck at power scaling heck most of us cant even do that basic thing.
No one is getting angry, but there are many things missing in cases of madera. The viedo feels like eon is trying to defend against kaido by down playing, and there is several mistakes in viedio and downplay
One thing I will say is the One Piece planet doesn't have multiple moons and that's most likely a Geocentric model so those are probably planets in the Library of Ohara, cuz Oda has made it a point to show the moon and it's phases to show the passage of time specifically in the pre-time skip and he's never shown multiple Moons in the sky, however he could reveal something about the physical planet in the next couple of chapters cuz the manga is going crazy rn lmao 🤣
Only pushback I wanna give is the argument that Conquest of the Sea is a conquerors Haki based attack; having gone back over the panels several times, I don’t see any of the black Lightning normally associated with Conquerors coating, not from the air pressure/shockwave and not from Kaido’s club or Big Mom’s sword. Of course if it is just an air pressure feat, that just makes it all the more impressive.
giving kaido his haki hacks but taking madaras genjutsu hacks is so unfair lol. making madara play by hakis rules but not making kaido play by chakras rules doesn’t make sense. you almost have to assume haki & chakra are both representations of the same spiritual energy to even make these fights worth talking about. just making up rules lmao
I'm not giving kaido his haki hacks and taking away Madara's genjutsu. Genjutsu needs the other person to have chakra, Haki does not. Why would I give kaido chakra? That's not a genuine version of the character. If a character needs their opponent to have their power system for their abilities to be effective, that's their problem. I would have done the exact same thing to kaido if he needed his opponents to have Haki. Also haki is not spiritual energy, I made a whole video on it.
Not to hate but I feel like you heavily down played the naruto scaling, Kurama has planetary level statements in the databooks (“power to easily turn the world to ash” and his biju bomb having “earth shattering power”) with madara scaling quite a bit higher than Kurama, with the ten tail’s chakra being shown to be have planet levels. And you have 10 tails madara scaling lot too far away from kaguya who could create dimensions with stars In them And when it comes to speed, there’s possible light speed scaling for characters like haku, mifune, and the Samari , whom all scale quite a bit below the raikage. I’m not sure if it would be enough to say that EMS madara would blitz Kaido, but given how much stronger and faster 10tails makes a character, I feel like it wouldn’t be far fetched to say 10 tails madara could blitz. I know a lot of these feats have interpretations, but I feel like you ignored a pretty solid interpretation for the naruto characters
Tailed beasts are weaker than their jinchuriki counterparts, The statement that he can turn the world to Ash is from a full power Kurama. All of his best feats come from KCM 2 Naruto. The 10 tails isn't as strong as Kaguya. The ten tails has a planet's worth of chakra that doesn't mean that all of its attacks scale to planetary. Haku and mifune only have light speed scaling when using specific Jutsu. The raikage is stated verbatim to be able to reach the speed of light, If you're going to use data book statements. Don't skip over that. The raikage also tagged Madara multiple times. As for Kurama, turning the world into ash, two things can be said about that either. It's a hyperbolic statement. Or it can be interpreted that he can turn the world's surface into ash by firing tailed beast bombs over a certain period of time. None of his attacks have even remotely proven that he could just wipe out the planet itself if he wanted to. Being planetary doesn't mean that you can destroy a planet in one shot. You can be planetary by destroying a planet over a period of time. I could just as easily argue that Kurama is planetary if he were to continuously fire tailed beast bombs as he crosses through the entire planet and even then at best he'd only be destroying the surface given actual feats. Also, Madara is un-quantifiably faster as the 10 tails Jinchuriki. He was getting blitzed by attacks that weren't light speed with the Sekizo. And as I said in the video, the best you could scale night guy to is light speed because it warped space.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm not a fan of HxH and as far as I'm aware HxH isn't very high in terms of powerscaling. From what I know and I could be very wrong mind you, that fight isn't close and Meruem gets blitzed and one shot
@@El_Eon_ I guess that's a fair enough answer to make. It's just that the community and the show/manga made him seem to be more unstoppable than he really is but I personally haven't fully seen the scope of his power just yet. However, I have another idea for another fight: Donflamingo vs Orochimaru.
Haven't watched the vid but I got a question. When ppl use Star level OP scaling, wouldn't comparing the size of the planet to a star to upscale the verse be arbitrary false? Since Stars are much denser than a planet? Also couldn't you interpret WB's statement as life wiping?
I see what you mean. But that depends on the context. If the attack calcs to do enough damage to blow up a star, then it is star level, regardless of the surface of area it targets ( a good example would be saint seiya characters, where their attacks are so controlled that they do no collateral damage). In the context of One Piece, explaining the size of the planet to non fans is important. Because a feat that would seam to be "city level" could actually be continent level and a non fan wouldn't know.
Shouldn’t the ten tails tailed beast bomb be taken into account? I mean, do you think juubi madara can’t replicate the same effect with his susanno or be able to tank multipe of it as he absorbed the ten tails? I jus doubt kaidos final attack could outweigh multiple of those. Then we could compare sasukes susanno to the ten tails as that susanno was having an equal clash with a tailed beast bomb by kurama and the tailed beast bomb is much more destructive that those slices madara showed against the Kage.
@@faith4657 bro are dum he literally tank gamma ray and walk it off 10 tens is getting folded by him madara and ten tails is better fight and can go ehither whey
@@faith4657 I think dum do really think kaido would get 1 shot by 10 tails bro compare kaido size and speed and strength kaido takes bigger then 10 tails he stronger hes mftl plus bro i hate people that down play one piece character
The only problem I have with the One piece world being bigger then ours calcs are that just because the one piece world is bigger does not necessary translate into having bigger islands then ours. Especially when the one piece world has more islands then ours by more then 10 times. So any calc relying on this fact for AP or DC is under skepticism
That's perfectly fine Skepticism. To be fair, the only reason why I try to use the calcs to explain that the one piece world is larger than our world is simply to make the argument that an attack can be anywhere between moon level to small planetary and it would still make sense within the confines of the story since the world in and of itself would be so large that such an attack wouldn't necessarily destroy a large portion of it. Like an attack being powerful enough to destroy Earth wouldn't necessarily mean that it would have a massive impact on a planet like Jupiter.
while thats true one your suggesting might imply then the ap or dc capabilities of everyone in onepiece might not even reach something like moon level if one is assuming all the islands in onepiece is no bigger then ours. So hence my skepticism with on piece ap or dc calcs at times. Still its a good video and you got a subcription from me
@@Xero_117 I appreciate it, I will say that I'll do a better job to try and make a more cohesive arguments and I know a lot of people had problems with this video. As I mentioned in the description, I had to do this in a time crunch because of certain reasons related to my personal life. But I do consider most of the problems that people have with the video more so based on their biased towards Naruto and how many believe that one piece will never surpass Naruto in terms of power scaling, which I don't personally care if it does or not, but I'm of the opinion that they're starting to get somewhere within the ballpark of relative
@@El_Eon_ I definitely agree One piece isn't too far from Naruto in terms of powerscailing now if anything one piece gets downplayed alot. A good video suggestion I have would be Kaido and Big mom pirate alliance vs Ninja Alliance Great work though
@@Xero_117I've had some friends even tell me that at this point I should just be the guy on UA-cam that tries to push the idea that one piece is catching up to Naruto. Not sure if I want that level of hate coming my way though 😂
I guess it depends on one thing. Which gets activated first, the Flaming Drum Dragon or the Infinity Tsukuyomi? Likely not the latter, since it takes time and distraction that are also not guaranteed to work on Kaido. It's a close fight, but imo, Madara loses at least 8 out of 10 fights against Kaido.
I like this guy because he actually goes of a characters abilities IF they actually did them, Like with each transformation Madara has people just tend to Assume that he can still do moves that he's never been actually told or shown doing in that form, Great video Btw "Unga Bunga" needs to be a style more taught in schools fr
I've seen plenty of videos of people just plugging a controller in the characters and saying they'll win one way or another. I can bring up hypothetical scenarios but would rather not base my decisions on that
@@El_Eon_ To be honest I never got the reason why people Even bring up 10 tail Madara, It’s not a transformation that he himself can do, People love saying that he can just Go 10 Tails whenever he wants when it’s not even his Ability
As someone who quit scaling Naruto vs One Piece, I'm glad you made this video. Other power scalers will scale Naruto characters extremely high but they'll ignore it when One Piece characters do the exact same thing. An example of this is Luffy dodging photons when he fought Foxy at point-blank range isn't a ftl feat but Base Adult naruto doing the same thing in the light novel is mtfl.
Think it also has something to do with observation Haki as well as the fact Luffy doesn’t move at light speed so you can’t scale him to light speed or FTL but at best give his light speed reaction(with observation haki)
@@chefdatboird3617 The problem is that Luffy will perform the exact same feats as Naruto characters but it counts for them but no One Piece characters for some reason. Heck Niji(Or at least I think it was him) Has statements saying he moved at the speed of light and in the foxy arc, Luffy dodged multiple photons(Lightspeed projectiles) at point blank range. In Thriller Bark, Zoro performed a similar feat to Naruto in the light novel. You know how people say Base Adult Naruto is ftl for dodging photons while weakened? Well Zoro did that against Kuma as his attacks are stated to be lightspeed yet Zoro danced around multiple of them and this was pre time skip. Neither of them had observation haki at this point either. I'm not debating Luffy vs Naruto because it won't go anywhere but I will say this, if you think a Databook that contradicts itself and the source material many times is valid proof that Kurama is planet level with the statement 'Can turn the world to ashes' even though Kurama never destroyed a planet, then Whitebeard having 5 statements(some of which come from Oda and his editor), then Whitebeard should be considered at least planetary especially given the size of the OP World. One Piece is literally the only verse where you have to use real world physics to validate a feat.
Not to mention that the feats of One Piece are a bit hidden due to there being so many chapters, but they have been doing island level attacks since before the time skip like enel, ace or kuma mqking island sized attacks
I watched the whole video, I agree that Kaido could defeat Madara if the information you gathered is correct since the guy is stronger than MightGuy but Madara's tricks could buy him an infinite amount of time if Kaido just plays with him. As we have already seen, Kaido has let Luffy go several times after knocking him down thinking that he would not return, he does not give him the killing blow, therefore Madara could escape death countless times by being smarter than Luffy. This duel would last an eternity
That's not necessarily true, look back at the fights. He imprisoned Luffy after their first fight. He was gonna kill Luffy after he ran out of Gear 4 on the Rooftop but Zoro saved him. And after he got hit with Ragnarok Kaido was gonna kill him but Zoro stopped him with Deadman's gamble. Luffy kept coming back for plot related reasons like getting saved but Kaido Legit threw him off the rooftop and even thought he killed him. Like I said in the video: Kaido enjoys a fight IF the opponent can take on his full strength
The fact is, it's not Kaido's devil fruit that grant him defense to physical blow, even as a kid when he was sentence to death, the blades couldn't go (throw/threw ?) him
12:31 10 - Kaidou wouldn't feel limbo. 12:56 You just forgot to say that in Naruto Storm, which is a canon game, limbos use different types of jutsus. 13:37 And to say that Madara wouldn't tank Madara is absurd considering that the elderly Onoki tanked the direct impact to the head 13:45 vsbattle is a dated wiki, using their calculation is stupid 15:30 Victor in Boruto wanted Hashirama's cells because they were superior to his regeneration. And Victor was able to regenerate his head and arms. So madara could do that too
Naruto video game isn't canon, it's approved by Masashi but isn't canon to the story or novel. Secondly Kaido will sense the attack on himself not Limbo. Limbo will attack and Future sight shows you when you will be hit. Lastly Boruto is inconsistent to the source material, no one regenerated an arm or leg in naruto from hashirama's cells but in boruto all of a sudden it can
Ok so I’m sure many will immediately skip the disclaimer which is only 30 seconds long.
If you comment anything that could have been answered by simply looking at the disclaimer I will not reply to it.
Pls make a vidoe of sukkuna vs shigaraki 😅
Great vid, question, how do you feel about observation haki countering genjustu. I would assume the very definition of observation haki counters it, considering that a basic sharingan could provide some resistance to it
@@greatminikwu9089 I probably could but I don't like My hero, not to say I'd be biased but I have no idea where the scaling even starts
@@avoidgel1685 verse equalization would have to be applied since basically every character that isn't from Naruto would be immune to Genjutsu. But I think that if the Genjutsu does work they could probably still sense where the opponent is and what they would do since it isn't reliant on the 5 senses
@@El_Eon_ Bra you did alot of things wrong not only did you use the lowest interpretation of narutos speed to get One piece higher
But the thing showing the One piece planet with moons and such also really exists in Our world at a time we're people thought everything revolved around the earth you can even see pictures of it on Google that's what Oda was inspired by the One piece planet ain't that.
Big thirdly you used Off scaling for kaido which is scaling kaido higher than weaker characters or relative characters feats but you did not do the same for the naruto verse interms of Ap or shit you just used fucking calcts
Madara using selective gravity to pull a meteor from outer space is calcts to planetary levels of kinetic energy and even half of the ninetails being stated to have the power to turn the world to ash are we serious kaido gets stomped stop praising him
I read the title as "Kaido vs Moria is closer than you think" and I was ready to see what you were cooking lmao.
😂😂😂
I mean back when they were younger it actually was a close fight, the only reason moria is weak now is bc Kaido beat him, but they were closely matched
@@boxlad7583 That still messes me up thinking Moria was somehow at any point in the story close to Kaido. It's still wild knowing how trash Moria is in Thriller Bark.
@@boxlad7583Kaido wasn't that strong back then , I'd argue he's in his prime or barely past it during the raid
@@pep4338I agree, but at the same time moria was also young and not in his prime, he just stopped training and lost his will after Kaido beat him. If moria kept training he could've had advanced armament and future sight by now and he would actually be Yonko commander level at the very least
The fact that madara have to absorb many things to power up and for kaido power up is just him being drunk is just funny
Kaido build different
Like rock lee
Madara is human. Kaido is an oni that ate a fruit that possibly made him a carp and then into a dragon.
@@p_rnhubnah, its just it's category being a fish isn't really a part of the fruits awakening cycle; an example would be the cat cat fruit model leopard, or ox ox fruit model giraffe. Both didn't need to be their base animals, they are just classifications. ( Which would also explain why momonosuke immediately was a dragon, rather then being a fish.)
@@p_rnhub yeah No. So much for Uchiha's being normal human. If you think about it. Uchiha is no different than Oni or other races in fiction.
I think that assessment is not a good assessment. Uchiha is no different than Oni or heck might has far more natural potential than normal oni's😅
I'm only 7 minutes in but you've clearly put a lot of in-depth thought into analyzing sources and comparative values. Props to you my guy, this video is very well-done.
27 minutes in now, and I have some additional remarks.
I believe the fact that Might Guy was able to destroy the truth-seeking orbs and not be injured
is because he had an aura of intense chakra (red).
Similarly, the orbs in the fights of Naruto, Madara, Sasuke, and Kaguya
were destroyed because of interactions between 6 Paths Chakra/Sage Mode Chakra.
Hence, I actually think Kaido would be unable to deal with Madara's TSO.
Furthermore, I think the final form of Madara, even if blitzed and reached by Kaido,
would not succumb to death purely via blunt force and pummeling.
Madara has many defensive techniques on top of the Human Path to extract the soul,
and even in his weaker forms (the past two you talked about),
he displayed massive feats of pure strength such as
completely overpowering the Tailed Beasts that weigh tens of gigatons.
Pulling from the VS Battles Wiki that you cited a few times,
they are each listed at category 5-C, which is quite interesting.
However, due to the nature of how impervious and specific someone must be to deal with Jubidara,
I would ultimately declare him the victor in most confrontations with Kaido. Yes, as mentioned at
27:00, TSO should one-shot Kaido.
One more thing, as you addressed a lot of what I said in your final few questions.
You mention Madara may need a controller plugged in to properly hit his TSO or human path soul extraction, but I would instead argue Madara is an extraordinary genius in terms of learning amidst battle and chakra control/techniques (stated on VS Battle as well). Having this higher battle IQ would allow him to manipulate Kaido into being encircled or trapped by the TSO and inevitably hit, or at the very least stalled long enough for soul-extraction to begin. Furthermore, if we apply TSO's properties of being indestructible without being interacted with by 6-Paths chakra, then Madara can theoretically mega-expand the TSO to simply reach Kaido, or shield himself indefinitely.
@@RoboShaoran You know I have a personal rule that I'm going to enforce my next video onward but in this case just cuz you seem to have a very level take about this and I appreciate it. I'm going to let you know. I think I just figured How strong Luffy actually is. I'll have to put a lot of thought into this one. But here's the thing I don't disagree that Madara can win. I'm cool with either answer. But saying that his battle genius or whatever is going to get him out of this is disingenuous because it doesn't consider that Madara and Sasuke both have the same pattern of EMS. That told him a lot about Sasuke, and he did figure out that they had six paths powers but that didn't help him much. He got blitzed by Sasuke while understanding how Sasuke fights and with SP senjutsu. Their fight never hunted at him being ahead of them. He was running away after he fought out he couldn't win with his second rinnegan. And even then Naruto and Sasuke dealt with everything he threw at them. They were never in a bad position or out of control. And as I mentioned we never saw his full strength so you can't argue for a hypothetical. Only for what's given. In his strongest quantifiable form 2 Rinnegan 10 tails Madara is still only weaker than Kaguya and so are Naruto and Sasuke, the best argument you can make for Madara is that he's relative to Naruto and Sasuke who still high diff struggled with Kaguya with Help from DMS Kakashi. Kaguya. Madara is weaker than that and I don't believe he could figure a specific situation to deal with a power system that he's never even heard of or would have any idea of how it works. Kaido would just be a guy that can see in the future, he still has to dodge or block his hits. When they are faster. And he hits about his hard. I'm giving Madara everything. I just don't see how he gets out of this.
@@El_Eon_ Thank you for taking the time to respond, I appreciate your clarification in some of the sentiments! I've been talking it over with some friends and it might come up in a future podcast down the road if we ever do one, as this was an interesting topic. I agree that Madara is likely disadvantaged but maybe my personal bias just wants him to win a little bit more...that being said, Kaido IS Him.
Hope your personal stuff was taken care of smoothly and I look forward to future vids!
@RoboShaoran -you know guy never touches TSO if he touch them then he will be erased from the existence, that wasn't might guy who broke TSO, that was kakakshi who made a hole inside TSO by kamui and guy just went through it and break madara's backbone and then he lost to maintain his TSO cause guy just come out of the blue and break his bones and madara's whole body is made up of six path chakra and sage mode that's the reason why TSO was destroyed cause these are the weaknesses of TSO, they just have two weaknesses sage mode and 4D attack potency which can manipulate 4D space just like kamui, kaido will be neg diff by TSO and these aren't the all abilities of madara, also madara tanked teen naruto puch with some of his TSO defence while being almost died from night guy and that puch of teen naruto made cracks on the god tree and then also survived easily from lava style rasenshuriken which totally cut and destroyed the god tree and i tell you that god tree contains almost planet level durability, i am not seeing kaido having that much of strength or AP and bypassing this even with any type of his haki and most of this video's statements can easily be debunked and the list of madara's abilities will be continue.
Why is it always the smaller channels with top tier scaling 😭 I thought the five kage video had a ton of effort put in but this wild
Preciate it, hopefully I can grow the channel!
@@El_Eon_you must💯
It’s almost as if people with logic are in the minority 😂 this guy doesn’t miss!
Because majority of people find echo chambers relatable and it feels incredibly bad.
This is not top tier scaling. He didn’t really account for any verse equalization at all.
And the “they’re in character” is just a massive cop out imo.
18:34 this is a fantastic point that most people don’t make. Kaido loves to fight, but not in the way of respecting his opponent and letting them pop off. He goes 100% from the start and is happy if they survive.
no
@@mrstrangeworld5977 fym no?
@@mrstrangeworld5977 he gets sad if the fight end 💀💀
True villains always holding back thinking they the shit
well Madara would one shot him before he's happy imao
I can't even imagine the ninja village konoha vs Big Mom that would be an amazing fight
Man... see now I gotta get back to work, good idea😂
@@El_Eon_ just imagining her using the souls of ninjas to bring the Hokage statues to life 😅
@@deathGod252 idk what the statue would do exactly but it would be funny🤣
@@El_Eon_ oh probably nothing but it would be funny 😁
lmao it would only take a couple of the strongest members of the village, and it wouldn't be much of a fight
Best (only good) powerscaling vid I've seen in like a year. Seriously we need more people like you.
This is literally one of the most sensible Madara Vs Kaido scaling videos on the platform, if the The most sensible...
No it’s not bruh he literally didn’t even use any of the planetary feats from the final arc
not verse equalization just makes this invalid
Cry verse equalization is stupid@@Reem-yr1tj
@@Reem-yr1tjit's a vs, if you need to verse equalize then it wasn't a valid fight in the first place
@@mr.bubbletea6428 bro one piece planet is estimated to be 100+ times bigger than ours and you have island busters all around with the islands being countriy sized in their verse, and somehow only naruto fans like to try high balling everything they see into planetary
I'm not gonna lie, no one does Naruto vs One Piece as well as you. I watched your Kaidou video twice because it was so well made and the humor got to me. 😂😂😂
Nah he BS at power scaling he biased as fuck
@@orpheemulemo8053Typical Naruto fans who haven't watched any other anime ☝️🥱.
@@orpheemulemo8053 Not really, a bs biased fan puts kaido at planetary+ to swarf star lol
@@hlua_bawitlung3829 I've watched One piece you can see the stupidity in here the Entails itself when the ninja alliance was sensing it's power it was shown already to be the size of a small planet
Then Madara absorbed that and added power from nine and eight tails plus sage mode which is a huge 100 to 10 times multiplier and the nine tails itself being stated twice to have enough power to turn the world to ash
And kaidos strongest One time attack is calcts by himself to be a small planet level power
So how is kaido beating Madara when his outstated
@@orpheemulemo8053buddy the fire dum version kaido is bigger then the 10 tails and fire melts everything
One Piece power system has grown enourmously since the time skip
Honestly Wano was the biggest power cliff in One Piece I've seen. It's actually crazy how many power ups Luffy needed just to compete with Kaido.
@@Deode-d4hfacts
Kaido wasn’t called the “strongest creature” for nothing or the phrase
“It’s it’s 1v1, always bet on Kaido”
Kaido is the only person so far shown fighting on par and getting the better of gear 5
@@aceclover758PTS One Piece was not gearing up to be this strong except for when WB shifted tectonic plates/the entire ocean, when Kuzan froze the entire ocean, WB can crack an island in two, Akainu can tank said punches, BB gaining WB's power albeit weaker.
Other than the Marineford war, OP was never that strong. (Closest you can imply is Croc actually awakened and effected all of alabasta which is calculated as the same size as Australia).
@@JT-km6th Those were all devil fruits you mentioned
Haki trumps all
You are actually good at power scaling, most people just glaze which anime they like more and wont accept when their anime character is weaker, but this is actually really accurate, and i don't see any bias.
Time skip boruto cooks kaido
@@UnT4untedwell boruto is destined to kill gods
@@josephswanson3510 madara > this video's statements can debunked very easily.
@@x_Lords-Aizenthen debunk it 🤷♂️
@@simpledude6969 it's been 2 weeks+ now, i don't remember this video, also, madara will win and if you don't believe this then just know the powerscaling, abilities and hax of madara.
Mannn excellent video, you once again did a lot on research and was very fair with this match up. Can't wait for even more videos.
Already got a couple of good ideas so be on the lookout. Thank you!
This is probably my favorite video comparing Naruto and One Piece. This was incredibly fair and unbiased, and you've honestly earned my sub for the sheer amount of effort you put in
Thank you, and I'll keep putting out the same level of quality
It was straight up One piece biased
@@orpheemulemo8053 Just because Madara didn't win doesn't mean he was biased
@@scottiecurrie7927 We both know that kaido is getting shit smacked litterly he used off scaling for kaido and calcts for naruto characters
Off scaling is basically saying a certain character is above a certain character so that should go in speed and strength
Why was he biased at the end of the video he stats kaidos strongest attack is about small planetary level
Why is this Bad because the sheer Chakra pool of the ni
Tentails was almost as big as the entire planet of naruto and that wasn't even it at full power
Than Madara gets it and adds the eight and ninetails to his collection what do you think will happen
@@orpheemulemo8053 He gave extensive reasoning from both Mangas where each character scales. Cope and seethe
Big bonk works pretty well 😂
Yep 💪🏾
Kaido really be that late game fed Nasus with over 1000 stacks. The moment he gets you, you die or lose 80% of your health instantly. That's Kaido in league terms.
Ooga into booga is a true combo.
Remember to turn on Caveman mode for extra damage.
putting some respect on one piece name ppl quick to think the characters weak😭
I mean for heavy hitters yeah but everyone else no. It’s the weakest in the big 3 but not by a stretch.
Unsheathing a sword is different from swinging said sword.
Cutting the top of a mountain is also different from completely destroying a top of a mountain so I believe it's a fair comparison
Unseathing a sword is also different from spitting. Which in the manga was what Kaido did
@@rafaeldias3785it was MULTIPLE MOUNTAINS
@@Thenoble1jMountain Tops, Not even half of the mountains
A chakra sword cutting madara, is different than a regular sword cutting madara.
This was a very good breakdown. You don't see many people power scaling one piece outside the verse, but once you do the scale of their battles is absolutely massive. In Naruto the 5kage get overwhelmed by a meteor, meanwhile one piece characters are dealing with them in dressrosa. Kaido is truly built differently
Consecutive BONK is the best thing I've ever herd in power scaling
Really good video, honestly better and more in-depth than most powerscalers on UA-cam, keep it up.
You’re very detailed with your work, I really enjoy it cuz I can tell you love both series
Thank you thank you
This, was actually a good video, I respect your honesty on the vid
this was pure shit he used vs battle wiki a joke of a site
Insane quality and very enjoyable to watch.
Since i havent watched Naruto ive found it hard to scale it compared to the One Piece verse. But this video and "Kaido vs 5 Kage" video, paints a really nice picture.
I'm grateful this man didn't use equalization, because it's freaking stupid and I can't believe youtubers actually pull that BS.
In my opinion, verse equalization simply does not work within the context of versus battles. I get that some may make the argument that it does at least for some specific scenarios, but ultimately it puts the characters in a disingenuous position. Not to mention that it then creates many arguments based on head canon.
@@El_Eon_but without verse equalization verses battles are pointless.
How can you put a bleach character against another character without verse equalization?
Because it would not be possible to see or sense them unless you’re one of them or if they let you see them.
Verse equalization is good in verse battles because it levels the field. All you literally have to equalize is their power system. E.g mana=chakra, cursed energy=chakra.
@@DiepreyeMoses you don't need verse equalization for any of those examples.
Plenty of characters in other verses can see and interact with spirits and the soul like Naruto, DB, Yuyu Hakusho etc.
You can also just have a stipulation that says character A can see and interact with the bleach character.
It's not good for versus battle because it doesn't equal the playing field. I already mentioned it to the other guy. It gives one person a massive advantage and more than likely doesn't give any advantage to the other or even worse can put them at a disadvantage.
It also makes a bunch of arguments that now have to be made out of head canon.
Would Gojo's eyes inform him about how bleach characters Zanpakuto work even before Bankai is used? Because he can do that with CTs.
Would Madara or Pain be capable of absorbing Haki attacks or Devil fruit attacks?
Because Haki and DFs aren't the same and only one of those can equal chakra.
Can Haki force you out of Genjutsu?
There is no way to argue any of these without it being an argument based on headcanon.
Starting to get my point
Verse equalization does not work
@@El_Eon_Similarly, though, many power systems allow you to suppress another via possessing more of some energy than another (like basically killing people through virtue of having more reiatsu) than another. I think rather than being disingenuous, verse equalization is just another discussion entirely; at least that’s how I see it. Sure, you could talk through the nitty gritty of what would work and what wouldn’t when comparing two different power systems, but that in-of-itself is merely a form of attempting to integrate two different power systems together.
@@El_Eon_ I think in certain situations, Equalization can work, because otherwise it just makes the versus battle boring, in said situations. An example I like to use are logia DFs from One Piece. Because the user of the fruit is immune to almost all forms of damage, except in specific situations, like being wet for Crocodile, rubber for Enel, or something hotter than the flames produced by the Mera Mera no Mi for Ace/Sabo, as well as Haki in general. Verse Equalization makes the fruit user be able to be hit by characters that don't have a way to use the elemental weakness of the fruit, but have acces to something similar to Haki, which is most anime characters.
Another example is Percy Jackson, compared to the JJK Verse. Percy Jackson's main weapon is his sword made out of Celestial Bronze. Weapons made of Celestial Bronze can only harm monsters, gods, and demigods, but don't do anything against normal humans. He still can harm normal humans in other ways, like using water manipulation, but without Equalization, he loses his main form of offense. Using Equalization, where Percy's sword can hit users of Cursed Energy, the matchup is a lot fairer. (That being said, Percy still loses, he has no answer to someone like Sukuna or Gojo)
You clearly looked into the feats and took that out of the anime and manga just to make a sensible scale of these two powerhouses, I'm glad that the comments are being chill and understanding as well, well done
Awesome vid bro. Watched the entire thing. Good effort on your part with all your research and respect for both characters
Ty ty
I really like the quality of the video and information not to calc heavy like a physics class but more grounded and enjoyable to watch nice I will be adding this channel to my must watch
Thank you, I'll keep putting out videos with the same or even better level of quality. Still getting my bearings together
Got an exam tomorrow, and I am studying Madara vs Kaido 😭
To be honest, this was the best and most fair way of comparing 2 characters we love.
I found your channel by random and this for sure, needs more attention!
The fact that everything was canon and presented with facts and sources, it was just like an elegant dish served to our minds.
it came from verse battle wiki a shit site
thanks for the info, why is it shitty though?@@eddieboston6540
SAME
The way bro downplayed madara is hilarious 😂😂😂😂
He compared every single feat of madara overall with his strongest forms and still was not enough for kaido but the 10 tails madara is just immortal and by activating infinite tsukuyomi kaido is cooked. Now you tell me how is madara downplayed ? Kaido has immense physical strength, speed and endurance . I'd say the 10 tails madara is just a cheat code
@ff-legends9006 bro if see naruto then clearly know he down played horifcly
Kaido only have durability in his side speed hax everything go to madera side and whole viedio about how strong is kaido but not any mention how strong madera Is as many point are missing
@sonalinayak5537 yeah and when he said alive madara got cut by sasuke's sword so his durability is but he forgot to mention sasuke's sword is kusanagi blade which further modified by orochimaru and it's again amped by sasuke's lightning chakara it's sharp. Enough to cut zabuza's blade which is one of the strongest blade in Naruto verse....and he also downpla's Naruto verse speed way to much...
@RohitNikam-ps2zj yes bro infact he let him hit
Madera can casualy destroy telipoting minato with kcm and he is telling kaido can soeed blaze him
As kaido can't touch madera because of limbo he can't defet his from above rinnegan
@sonalinayak5538 madara has better durability then kaido . Do you kaido can take a kick that breaks reality
Interesting video.
Personally I wouldn't use vsbattle as a valid source of information. They have made huge mistakes due to misconceptions in the past and some characters still get wanked to this day. It's also good to post your sources so they may be analyzed for accuracy and potential scrutiny due to potentially needing to correct mistakes.
Vsbattles is very good in terms of calculations.
@@arslanabbasi888 For a general idea of how some of the site users views the character, sure but it's still safer to do your own information gathering and try to be as objective as possible without assumption. I just checked and a city level character is still scaled to universal due to a misconception.
This could be biased due to the small sample size so I checked a few more random characters I thought of and most seemed fine. The issue is when you use a wrongly scaled page or one that's controversal. You end up mindlessly regurgitating false information or outlier feats that really shouldn't have happened and the character doesn't scale near to that end in the future or consistently.
EDIT: Forgot to add that video game characters has been scaled incorrectly too since gameplay may not be accurate to the lore or in general media there is gag scenes or visuals/wordings used to hype up a move/character.
The last thing I should mention is TSO
Their weakness is senjutsu, Sasuke and kaguya had senjutsu to break them. Not only that TSO are also "Space-Time" but looking at the kanji they are only separate "space" as stated by Zatsu.
And Guy didn't break a TSO, They broke because they came in contact with madara, kamui opened up a hole in that TSO, Guy went in and punched madara and madara came into contact with his own TSO (and because they are weak to senjutsu, of which madara had) they broke.
He literally punched through it and exited the other side with Madara meaning he broke it with taijutsu
@@GG-mr6cq he didn't, Kakashi was the one who opened that whole guy never made contact with it, hack minato even told him not to touch those orbs.
@@nobody5066 I think what the guy is saying is that once Guy was inside the TSO with Madara, Guy used Madara's body like a Senjutsu glove to break the TSO from within using his own strength.
That’s a mistranslation it said Space not Space time
@@ChillDeathgod I literally said that, go read again.
you just earned a new sub👍🏾 i like hardworking content creators
Thank you so much, I'm trying my best 😭
You always keep these battles completely fair. Great for the community!
no the madara downplay was sad
@@eddieboston6540 you think it’s down play because you choose to be ignorant of op feats
@@eddieboston6540 and even when it came down to it Madaras most powerful form can literally go either way to either kaido or madara… if you actually watched the video everything was explained in a very digestible way very unbiased
@@User89-v4whe claimed that Madara couldn’t hurt kaido because of some dc feats when we know Madara can scale to the tailed beasts that can destroy continents.
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou so you clearly didn’t watch the video with the intent to listen you just want to disagree.. you can’t say a feat is wrong if you don’t know anything abt the other show.
Another great video dude. Honestly good to know that this fight is as close as it is
One MAJOR mistake you made in comparing Susanoo Sword to Kaido's Breath.......
The full power of Kaido's Breath is what destroyed the single mountain.....
But it was the _shockwave_ of the _power_ of the sword swing that bisected the mountains in half. These mountains where not close to him, his Susanoo is just _that_ big. Those mountains were at minimum a few kilometers away from the battlefield from which the Kage were fighting.
So you can't compare the full blast of Kaido to the shockwaves of the sword swing and then say since Kaido can tank his own blast then he can tank a _DIRECT_ cut from Perfect Susanoo Sword Swing. You can make the argument he'd tank the shockwaves, not the actual strike
I could possibly agree that the actual Blast Breath doesn’t calc as impressively as Madara’s mountain cut, even if only because I haven’t bothered to calc the feat myself.
That being said, given the calc I saw from Zaelleaz’s Naruto Scaling videos, Madara’s full power Susanoo swing would pale in comparison to even the Dressrosa cast (ie. Zaelleaz got Madara’s mountain cut up to mountain level destruction, meanwhile at a low end G4 Luffy uprooting parts of Dressrosa were already at island level) and Kaido scales far above them.
@@michaeldorsey9231 Try unsheathing a sword with a friend to the side of you, ask them how much damage it did then slice them. Lol.
Fast air doesnt = actual material
force = mass * acceleration
all that mass was air imagine how much more damage it would be with a condensed material.
@@kaianimations675 I am more than aware of the difference in power between air pressure and whatever object is generating it.
The problem is that even accounting for that difference in power, with how low Madara’s mountain cut actually calcs, even if we assumed that the air blade was 1000x weaker Madara’s Susanoo still wouldn’t be any stronger than mountain level.
And considering how even at a low end several One Piece characters calc to island level (ie, Mihawk’s frozen tidal wave cut, Zoro cutting Onigashima’s horn even on a low end size for the island, Dressrosa Luffy uprooting sections of Dressrosa), I do not believe that Madara’s Susanoo would make a difference
@@michaeldorsey9231what are you saying, the waves that wiped mountains are mountain level but 1000x that is no stronger?
Are you stoned bro
@@ciarangallagher9330 bro thought he was cooking but burnt the kitchen down
oh wow i thought it was going to be a different video first then this one , but i won't complain can't wait to see your opinions on this matter
The other one is coming but I felt inspired to finish this one first😂
@@El_Eon_ just finished the video , love the fact you didn't downplay either side besides genjutsu not working, which i agree with but i think even if genjutsu works haki is a 6th sense and can still souls/spirits without sight and can outright neg abilities Devilfruit powers are actual abilities which change dna etc. Also lastly nature based elements are stronger than charka based things for example kirin is actually lightning not charka based lightning so its superior and the same for standard fire and charka based fire like fireball jutsu for example I'm saying that to say kaido elemental control is more devastating than madara own based off of narutoverse lore on average and basically at both peaks. 10/10 video bro
@@halojeff15 yeah there's a whole argument that could be made that Kaido would also be immune to infinite tsukuyomi IF it's true that the cats and all other life forms also have chakra but I couldn't find any info on that in time. As for the way chakra and natural elements interact, it's interesting because they can even affect Otsutsuki characters like Jigen granted he was at the weakest point possible.
@@El_Eon_ true isshiki was weakened at the time but will you do a luffy vs naruto video one day? i feel like it's played out but i am interested in your take , also outside op and naruto would you do other verses? like jjk, aot or bleach? it would be dope if you did a big 3 video as well.
@@halojeff15 I may do Luffy vs Naruto after a sub goal! My reason being that It's been an internet debate for a while now and I'd also like to wait till Luffy gets some better feats since this is the third arc of One piece. Not so much because I'd rather luffy win, but because This is an end of series version of Naruto and Luffy is only at the start of the third arc. I do think they are somewhat close at this point.
Ask for other verses. I do watch JJK and I have seen bleach though I'm not the biggest fan of bleach for a couple of reasons. I could make a video on that if people are interested but ultimately I don't know where exactly to get a lot of scans for bleach. The amount of nice things that I have to say about bleach more or less end at music and character design 😅. And if you go by the series itself, there isn't really a lot of concrete evidence that helps scale many attacks or feats without calcs. Like I really haven't been able to find a light speed in the series but I haven't done that much research anyway.
As for JJK, I could do some versus battles on it, but it's also another case where I don't know where to get any scans.
Dragon Ball is extremely high tier in terms of power levels. I'd have to compare it to something like sailor Moon or Saint seiya for any fight to be fair and I have never watched any of those.
As for AOT, I'm not entirely done with the series, but I'm not the biggest fan of it. I only started liking the show after episode 64 or 65
Hate people being so negative in power scaling. It’s fun no matter who you like more. I’d hope if you’re clicking on the video, you like both One Piece and Naruto, and aren’t just clicking on it to defend your favorite series. I think it’s especially stupid to complain about cross series power scaling, as it will have literally no effect on the characters in their overall stories
@@wordedhalo6746 This
The worst part of it is that sometimes people remove well written character traits or weaknesses just to make them stronger for versus battle
Powerscalers when one character is crushingly more powerful than the other: “they’re in character”
I can tell you did a lot reseach for making this video and I loving for it. Regarless of who would win, it would be a interesting fight.
I agree, it’s extremely close when you get to six paths madara and honestly the answer really can vary
@El_Eon_ no it cant lol madara shitstomps
@@thatdude659care to make an actual argument. Cause we can do the same then. Kaido shitstomps no diff while handstanding
Bro this is the only power scaling that make sense , u deserve 10x the views and subscribers u have now (sry for my bad English)
My only regret is not making popcorn before watching this video! Absolutely amazing work!
The Goat has Returned with a Bang 🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I tried my best😂🤙🏼
The man returned with another fantastic video
I appreciate it😂 thank you
Hell ye another peak video from the best one piece scaler. I been waiting for this no matter who wins.
31:00 since the width of the sandora river in arabasta is 50km as vivi mentioned, that makes the country much bigger than australia and even comparable to the moon's diameter, and according to it's size on the one piece planet it makes the planet at least a 100+ times bigger than our earth in volume
Holy damn. Well! Can’t argue with the facts, man. It is what it is. That boy Kaido is like that.
There's instances of GENJUTSU working on beings without chakra in Naruto such as Manda. An argument can be made due to this, A GENJUTSU against A One Piece character would end up using their Haki to perform said Genjutsu. Madara doesn't really use Genjutsu in character anyway, he only uses it on fodder. He prefers to actually fight.
He said no verse equalization in the video. Which actually helps the Naruto verse more since Haki can power nullify abilities place on their bodies. Even observation Haki could be argue to see pass illusion.
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Manda has chakra
Yeah the genjutsu that comes from the sharingan isn't necessarily controlling person's chakra as other types of genjutsu in naruto that are made by a none uchiha cz the sharingan and its genjutsu take over the mind and not the chakra better say but long time genjustsu it's what effect the chakra that doesn't even exist in op
@@StudyFors4 Every genjutsu affects the brain or the body.
But the way they achieve that is through perturbing the enemy's chakra or injecting their own chakra into their opponents.
Either of those will be either ineffective or noticed by One Piece characters.
The only thing they will not notice is Izanagi or Izanami (unless they have future sight)
No, it's Genjutsu ÷ Chakra - Haki.
This one video alone got me to subscribe. Good job
This is the best scaling I have seen , keep it up 🙏🏻👍🏻
No way an attack that couldn't destroy Onigashima is small planetary attack. Luffy's banjrank clash with Kaido's attack should obliterate the island if it was what you calculate it to be. But all we saw where shockwaves that weren't that big. When Minato teleported Ten tails bomb to a far away place, the shinobi alliance still felt the shockwave. No way an attack of small planetary level would produce such small waves. And if it were planetary, Kaido going through the Island should destroy the Island. I feel feat scalers try to apply physics to scenes where they bring about a lot of assumptions and omit newtons third law.
The Bajarang Gun was going to destroy Onigashima, that's why Momo had to get it out of the way. Comparing a bomb explosion to the clash of two attacks that don't have an area of effect beyond their designated target isn't exactly an equal comparison. Kaido went straight through the ground and kept traveling till he hit magma.
@@El_Eon_ and that is exactly what I'm trying to say. These are two attacks that are calculated to be small plant. The speed and strength of these attacks, upon collision should create a massive shockwave due to the release of the high pressure air. For a small planetary attack, these shockwaves should be really felt. I believe even the island should have shook. But there was nothing like that. From a scientific point, it doesn't make sense, except we don't scale those attacks to planetary. If shockwaves of merely offensive grenade could hurt, shouldn't shockwaves of small planetary attacks have significant impact?
@@kweku_tate07 The issue I'm having with this assessment is that you're inputting too much real world logic. You got to remember that this is a world where people can eat fruits that can turn them into elements and animals. If you apply enough scientific logic to it, they shouldn't be light speed, Luffy shouldn't be capable of applying the qualities of rubber onto solid objects around him, the samurai and leftover fighters should be burning up from the intense heat that kaido's flame dragon bagua generating considering the proximity. There's A lot of things that don't make sense if you're trying to apply real world scientific logic. It's fiction, You can argue, for example that the Indra's arrow and tailed beast rasenshuriken explosion should be way larger and more destructive considering the two people that threw them and the fact that the two people that threw them are stronger than the 10 tails but All they did was create a crater larger than the one Hashirama made. You'll have an easier time accepting a couple of things in fiction if you don't try to apply real science to everything. That being said, I only claimed that if you want to accept the calc as a planetary feat, then you can do so. It's not exactly something that needs to be accounted for. The only reason why we use calcs is to quantify how powerful these attacks would hypothetically be if real world math is used.
@@El_Eon_ I totally agree with you on this, we can't apply absolute scientific logic to fictional movies. But you see, in the context of vs battles, there are always going to be bias esp of different verses. An example is how some Naruto fans scale the god tree to planetary just because it absorbs chakra of all living beings on earth. At to a certain degree, they might be right. And in that situation, it makes Naruto's lava rasenshuriken a planetary attacks. But that is clearly bullocks imo. So to me, so far as we aren't using enough real life logic, some of these vs battles are actually meaningless which is why I've always not been a fan of scaling feats. But great video, much respect to your research and effort to stay neutral as much as possible
@@kweku_tate07 I Don't know if I completely agree with the idea that versus battles are inherently meaningless. To an extent, yes that is true. However, I think they are interesting thought experiments when done properly. Obviously there's always going to be a certain amount of bias regardless of a person, but even then if done in a "proper way" then an argument can be made for any two characters battling it out. My biggest problem with the versus battle community as a whole is just the explicit bias that some people seem to have when it comes to their favorite characters or stories. I don't understand how some people can look at some facts or information as it's presented and always make excuses just because they can't or don't want to see their character lose. It's not the end of the world and power scaling as a whole is an ever-changing meta. I for one and someone that believes that the one piece verse is catching up to the Naruto versus in terms of power, but whether or not Luffy can beat Naruto is not something that ultimately means anything. Whether or not the end of one piece ends up having characters that are more powerful than Naruto characters is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Both stories are fantastic for their own specific reasons.
actual really fair and good video, if I ever have argument about character vs character, it's honestly one of the most toxic experiences I have, I even had situation when somebody downplayed sasuke sharingan because he couldn't predict/see haku.... while he wasn't even using said sharingan and then he proceed to have 10 excuses on to why haku couldn't move at light speed between mirrors or that sasuke somehow dodged his attacks without seeing him moving because yes
I love your channel and its crazy seeing the Naruto fans don't their best to downgrade kaido and over hype madara loke they always do. Naruto and One Piece are comparable but One Piece charecters are stronger and faster, naruto charecters judt have way more haxs
Truth be told, I would say that the Naruto verse is still way stronger than the one piece verse especially if you include the boruto era. Kaguya does scale above anything that any of the characters in one piece can do so far. But I'd say one piece is catching up
Genuinely man you seem like the most fair power scaler I’ve seen on UA-cam. Others I’ve seen go back on their own word, or change the language they use to describe the same feat to downplay or hype it up depending on biases. Granted I’ve only seen two of your videos, but they were very consistent. Keep this shit up, you’ve definitely earned a new subscriber
I have a question if genjutsu only works in people with chakra is that not the same with infinite sukoyomi
thats a fair question honestly
Hence why I wrote a paragraph stating that I'm not sure because normal animals shouldn't have chakra but some cats were affected by the I.T.
In some sources like Naruto wiki it's stated that "all life forms have chakra" which would then include the cats, therefore justifying the argument that Kaido wouldn't be affected by I.T.
But I can't really use the wiki as a valid canon source and I didn't have enough time to double check the whole series
@@El_Eon_ Everyone got chakra from kaguya coming to earth, when she first arrived with and used infinite sukoyomi when none had chakra. She still had everyone induced in the genjutsu.
@@kaianimations675 That just means kaido would be affected by the infinite tsukuyomi
@@El_Eon_it makes sense for rinnegan/sharingan genjutsu to work on people without chakra because they use it to conquer universes where people and animals dont have chakra systems. They probably have the physical and spiritual energies that make up chakra even if they dont have a "chakra system" given that ninshu can crrate chakra systems for people that dont have it.
We know that genjutsu used by various dojutsu users works on animals that existed before kaguya came to the elemental nations that just used natural energy, like sage animals.
Didn't Kaido fight Big Mom for 3 days? Big Mom, the woman who manipulates souls? Can the human path even move his soul?
Personally, I think Haki comes from ones soul/spirit. So i don't think his soul is being removed.
The thing about Big Mom’s soul abilities is that her soul stealing can be resisted if the opponent lacks any fear of Big Mom; being able to resist that unfortunately doesn’t entail being able to resist other soul based abilities, because that weakness for Big Mon doesn’t translate to a weakness for Nagato or Madara.
One thing I noticed in theese naruto vs op debates is that naruto fans usually relay on scaling the ap and not dc ( like you did) so there are like planetary feats and more and end the debate like that, on the other hand op fans usually compleatly ignore ap scaling and give arguments on how they're hax can overcome everything.
That said Im not saying you are biased but it really just depends on how you do the math and wich method you decide to use, most people just say "well madara is star level because ... So kaido who only scales to planet highball cant do shit to him"
So overall I enjoyed your video and I likee how you talked about basically everything in they're arsenal and how it would be utilized, not many people consider the "in character" stuff ypu did.
The only thing I can say that I disagree with is the naruto speed scaling ( tbh everyone has a different opinion about this and you picked the most reliable) but back in part 1 itachi used a jutsu on kakashi that was stated to be light speed... So if you consider this the speed gab is to reconsider but idk if this feat got debunked or something so idk if you could give me a motivation it would be nice.
(Also people who say kid naruto is light speed because of the haku statement are biased because they litteraly fight against sound ninjas the arc after and cant dodge until some powerups, but I could see kakashi and itachi being light speed at that point)
Your comment is quite fair, all things considered. Say that the Madara being a star level threat is something I can't agree with for a couple of reasons. The only star level feats in the entire Naruto series is Kaguya's ever expansive truth seeking orb. Madara does not scale to that because he's weaker than her. He never displayed an attack That's even remotely that destructive. He also hasn't tanked anything, even remotely close to a star level attack and Naruto and Sasuke who I believe are actually stronger than him based on their performance against them before he was betrayed couldn't have tanked that truth seeking orbit.
As for the Itachi statement, I'm not sure what jutsu you're referring to unless it's tsukuyomi which requires direct eye contact and isn't so much a light speed attack more so it distorts the target sense of time.
@@El_Eon_ the star scaling I gave him was something I made up on the moment because tbh idk where he scales at😅, it was simply to explain how I feel about the people that talk about this debate, as for the itachi move it was some sort of water bullet jutsu that in the databooks is stated to be light speed, or at least this is what I heard from other people who made naruto scaling videos.
I think the water bullet light speed feat could be a good one because haku was stated to be able to move at light speed but the arc after with the sound ninjas kinda proves that, at least against naruto and sasuke he didnt.
Thats why I like to connect the "he possibly can move at light speed" from haku with the itachi jutsu statement, because haku was able to move fast enought to step in front of kakashi's chidori (wich gives the user more speed if im not mistaken) and kakashi later was able to react to a possible light speed jutsu.
Kakashi was kinda rusty during the land of waves arc and thats why I feel like haku did go light speed to block kakashi's chidori and thats why the databook says he could but naruto and sasuke are obviously not light speed at that moment but kakashi could've.
So kakashi noticed he was rusty (especially after his encounter with kabuto) and I believe by the point he encountered itachi
He would have most likely reached that light speed required to dodge the jutsu.
Its kinda tricky how I view it but most people just straight up ignore theese statements calling them hyperbolys or take them too seriously, since I dont think either of theese is fun I tried connecting what I could and I ended up with this...
Oh also one other thing, how do you feel about the kurama statement "he could burn the world to ash" because idk how to judge that one.
@@PinoHolly04 well so here's the thing right, Itachi's water bullets have never been stated to be light speed and I don't think there's any data book entry that even remotely hints at the fact that they are.
Haku's ice mirror Jutsu specifically allows him to move from a mirror to mirror at the speed of light. And to be fair, that is the only light speed statement in all of part 1. As for Kakashi, I don't think he was rusty and I'm not sure as to what may have hinted at that.
As for the kurama being capable of turning the world to ash, i am 90% sure that refers to the full nine tails. And even then there's a massive misconception that people seem to have where being a certain tier of power automatically means that you have the capacity to destroy something instantly.
Being a planet, buster does not mean that you can one shot a planet. It means that you have the capability to destroy a planet over a period of time. The Kurama statement can be considered true because it was stated in a data book, however, considering he hasn't shown any feats that even remotely hint at this means that he can destroy the world or at least the surface of the planet by blasting it constantly with tailed beast bombs as he travels across the planet. It's all a matter of interpretation at the end of the day. That would still make him planetary, but more or less surface level, unless you believe that his tailed beast bombs could throughout a time frame Carve way at the world itself, but I don't think he can just do that by volleying in one consecutive wave of blasts.
@@El_Eon_ fair enought, as for the water bullet statement I saw it from other youtube videos and if you google "naruto water bullet light speed statement" you should see it too, but it could be a misstranslation and at that point what I said is basically useless.
As for what hinted about kakashi being rusty we know that in his anbu days he was able to constantly use the sharingan even without covering it(like for example in the war arc) but when we see him in the land of waves arc, after the fight against zabuza he basically faints because he overused the sharingan for this reason a lot of people that made videos about this (and me) think that kakashi was actually stronger as an anbu menber than he was back in part 1, after he realized he was rusty he started training again because he thought he needed to in order to "save" sasuke and thats why he is stronger in shippuden and can use the mangekio.
@@PinoHolly04 are you sure you aren't confusing it with the jutsu used against naruto during the war arc? that one has a data book entry of being lightspeed...
This hands down is the most unbiased madara vs kaido I ever watched, please do not change just for views 🙏🏾
Bruh. He underestimated the hell out of madara's speed and strength.
There is no way in hell kaido is winning against 1 eyed sm madara. Let alone his 3 eyed version which solos the verse.
@@asadim622 buddy nothing implies madara speed being faster than characters that’s been dodging light pre time skip madara don’t solo shit u people are just over hyping madara’s as always he’s best feat in without 10 tails is multi mountain level while kaido is lefting a whole island while fighting blasting through that island and more speed blitz future sight luffy where base luffy is reacting to light
@@Ehstynago bruh 😭😭🙏
Ok so tell me how madara will possibly get to kaido's speee
Because he won't
nice vid mate, but I think the Deva path soul rip would be instant as Kaido never trained to "tug of war" his soul like Naruto did when taming Kurama.
It's always the smaller channels that do the best work when it comes to powerscaling/vs debates. Good shit my guy, this was super entertaining to listen to
You do such a good job with scaling, and I’m a bit disappointed in the community for downplaying Kaido since his defeat. Also, unrelated but how much do you think Edo Tensei nerfs a character?
Thank you and yeah people will continue to perpetrate this notion that because one piece has been the weakest out of the big three, it will always be the weakest out of the big three, but a mid-series villain like kaido is already catching up to some of the top tiers of the verse. So I don't know. I'm not going to outright state that one piece characters are starting to become more powerful than Naruto characters but soon enough There may be some contention.
As for Edo tensei, It's honestly unquantifiable. Maybe they come back at 8/10 of their strength idk, I've seen some other power scalers argue that the Edo tensei nerfs stronger characters more rather than weaker ones because the mid tier fighters Don't seem to be that much weaker than when they were alive.
idk man kaido is said to be the strongest so he aint by no means getting topped any time soon many of one peices high tiers sit around the same level also i dont know what the one peice characters are gonna do against people like kaguya who just has a instant win condition with the ETSO@@El_Eon_
@@joshuaanderson7027 I agree, that's why I can't say one piece characters are stronger or will be stronger only that they are catching up. Eternal true seeking orb is definitely a technique that probably every single one piece character can't handle
@@El_Eon_do think Imu from one piece is strong or weak
@@Mimihon-c1l I think Imu has to be strong especially if he's the potential final villain
This was good. More One Piece vs Naruto content. Maybe something like the Admirals vs Konoha or one of the Yonkou and their entire Empire vs a Shinobi village.
I was considering doing Big Mom vs the leaf, will most likely start work on the research and script
@@El_Eon_Thats good news.
I read the disclaimer but, I think the scaling is good except for the speed. Obviously neither character is ACTUALLY lightspeed and in reality they are probably similar speed. So the excuse of "kaido is speed of light so he can dodge any attack that isn't speed of light" is kind of a bs argument imo.
(Also just because your TOP speed is calculated at lightspeed doesn't mean you are always moving at lightspeed, so by your argument of them trying to enjoy the fight they probably wouldn't be at lightspeed dodging attacks)
@@tristangettingtickled49 I made a whole video on why characters can move at Lightspeed. The tldr images that they can because the author said so. No matter how one chooses to argue if the author keeps making light speed Feats and statements then they're light speed.
How would you make a character in ftl then or speed of light? Just make the anime light then without movement XD
@@El_Eon_it just doesn't make sense though at all
@@lmperator it makes perfect sense, fiction doesn't follow the same logic that the real world follows. If the author says something is Lightspeed then it's lightspeed.
kidd is underatted how many people in the verse can hurt younkos without using haki ?
anyone with a specialized devil fruit...or technology.
@@asianpersuasion4901 lol if you say so but so far only kidd can do this which says alot considering that luffy cant hurt kaido without it
@@Packirup1234 uh, law? you do realize his k-room is literally the devil fruit equivalent of internal destruction? or what about any shockwave based attack? like impact dials, fishman karate, tremor fruit, sengoku's shockwaves, etc?
and then someone like caesar can't "hurt" kaido, but he could theoretically kill him by removing oxygen. durability is EASILY beaten with hax, and in the one piece world, hax are known as devil fruits.
@@asianpersuasion4901 internal dmg that ignores durability is diffrent from actual physical dmg
idg where ur going at but kid is the only known character to hurt kaido with physical dmg than internal destuction
@@Packirup1234 I said "specialized devil fruit or technology" and you basically said no, so I gave you examples.
but you seem to be talking about kidd's judo throw/crushing attacks, so let me disprove that too.
what you and the youtuber seem to fail to realize is that advanced armament and internal destruction are not the same thing. luffy has advanced armament: internal destruction. the scabbards and zoro have JUST advanced armament, which raises ap and defense. and what did they do with their advanced armament? wound kaido.
that's already 10 extra people who can wound kaido with just physical damage. Oh right, there's also yamato, who doesn't have internal destruction. so make that 11 extra.
The naruto speed down play is criminal. Also ap and durability down play is crazy the pain chibaku tensei has calcs that are large island to country. Also the ten tails has multiple multi continental+ feats and madara scales decently to it.
Not really, Madara got hit every time Ay went for a punch. He also got blitzed by KCM2 2 Naruto while he had Hashirama's Sage mode. Ay tops out at Lightspeed and I went over why Kaido is WAY faster than light. Madara's fastest quantifiable attack was the light fang which was Lightspeed.
@@El_Eon_wrong naruto has many other light speed feats like darui using storm release which is light or haku moving at the light speed in her mirrors. Also if you really want to argue how can kaido be much faster than light if a much stronger luffy is faster than if not similar speeds to kizaru who’s has the light logia and before you say but he can improve his devil fruit kizaru literally stated his kicks are at the speed of light. Also you said kizaru light went faster than the previous state but I don’t really know where that implied or shown
@@jasperking442 Haki needs to use a specific Jutsu to move at the speed of light within that Jutsu. Darui is utilizing storm release which are Jutsu that move at the speed of light, he himself isn't the speed of light. Kizaru said "have you ever been kicked at the speed of light?" During his first appearance to a character that is virtually fodder to him.
Kizaru CAN improve his speed and I proved it in the video during his first fight in the Egghead arc in the manga, where he literally improves his acceleration.
wait some push back on the darui thing when he was fighting the guy with the nine tails chakra he controlled the trajectory of the attack so to say he wasnt that fast yet he could control the movement would be false your thoughts on this? @@El_Eon_
17:17 kaido is so hype on that scene it make this man even pronounce the B word aggressively 😂
Throws Space Rock
Raises large bonk club
‘NANI!’
Man does it again. Great vid. 32 min shows you put a lot of thought and work into it.
been waiting for u to upload
I'll try to be more consistent!
i think we can all come together to agree they both body the 5 kage
I'm not normally a fan of power scaling but this video had so much thought and research put into it. Great video and very well spoken.
Can you do katakuri vs pain?
I was actually thinking about doing Doflamingo vs Pain today 🤣
@@El_Eon_ How ironic but katakuri would be a better match up never the less 😂😂😂😂
@@masonmcfadden4886 yeah I agree when thinking about it a bit more
The scaling of One Piece is so unbelievably underrated. I've seen several Naruto vs One Piece scaling vids and almost all of them completely fail in giving One Piece characters their full credit in strength, either that be intentional or unintentional. Overall the way I see Naruto characters vs One Piece characters is that even though Naruto consistently has higher AP scaling, it doesn't matter much if most if not all high tier One Piece characters can literally perception blitz them and punch them directly in the organs which is stated that Naruto characters cant grow inner durability.
I do believe that one piece is slowly catching up to Naruto in terms of power, especially since we're only starting the third arc and the jumping power from the pre-time skip to the post time skip and now to the third arc have been massive
@@El_Eon_people seem to forget that naruto characters before kaguya ( except kakashi 10 tails madara and 8 gates guy) were all at max city-low island level, but got a huuge power up at the end of the story, one piece characters been on island level since dressrosa
I liked this video 👍
Although I don't particularly like Vsb wiki scaling cause they changed every year, in 2017 madara was at multi continental, last year madara was at planetary and this year his at moon level, so it's hard to really go on wht they're saying if it keeps changing, and it will change again next year.
Other then that I enjoyed this video, you explained everything you could and with possible scenarios which I liked.
You remained unbiased and tried listing out everything you know, can't wait to see wht you post in the future ☺
Yeah vs battle wiki are really annoying by changing multiple time the scale of Naruto characters every years. Like it doesn't even make sense they make Kaguya 4-C Large Star but Momoshiki is moon level, and baryon mode naruto, Code NL, Daemon and Isshiki are small planet level bruh '-'
calcs improve, results change. it's how it goes.
i just know bro's favorite part of making the kaido vids is saying "UNGA BUNGA" 😂
Some of the best one piece scaling on the site
Can you make a how powerful is Luffy scaling??
I could!
@@El_Eon_ Where do you think he scales at, Also do you think your Kaido videos are repetitive slightly since Its mostly Kaido 😅, Its still good video. For me Luffy is multi continental with ftl+
@@Chillersnowman his ap acales way higher than multi Continental..hw was aleeady continettal plus at dessarosa..he is atleast moon level and low planetary with bajarang gin according to vs battle wiki
@@emmanueladekunle3088 That's true as I did try to lowball Luffy, He should be in that Moon lvl to small planet category if he did a bajrang gun gatling.
Luffy should be well into planetary ranges and faster light plus or massively faster than light 🤷🏾♂️
Bro dont get angry about the comments they dont know facts and evidences heck most of them will suck at power scaling heck most of us cant even do that basic thing.
No one is getting angry, but there are many things missing in cases of madera. The viedo feels like eon is trying to defend against kaido by down playing, and there is several mistakes in viedio and downplay
One thing I will say is the One Piece planet doesn't have multiple moons and that's most likely a Geocentric model so those are probably planets in the Library of Ohara, cuz Oda has made it a point to show the moon and it's phases to show the passage of time specifically in the pre-time skip and he's never shown multiple Moons in the sky, however he could reveal something about the physical planet in the next couple of chapters cuz the manga is going crazy rn lmao 🤣
Underrated comment
Only pushback I wanna give is the argument that Conquest of the Sea is a conquerors Haki based attack; having gone back over the panels several times, I don’t see any of the black Lightning normally associated with Conquerors coating, not from the air pressure/shockwave and not from Kaido’s club or Big Mom’s sword.
Of course if it is just an air pressure feat, that just makes it all the more impressive.
giving kaido his haki hacks but taking madaras genjutsu hacks is so unfair lol. making madara play by hakis rules but not making kaido play by chakras rules doesn’t make sense. you almost have to assume haki & chakra are both representations of the same spiritual energy to even make these fights worth talking about. just making up rules lmao
I'm not giving kaido his haki hacks and taking away Madara's genjutsu. Genjutsu needs the other person to have chakra, Haki does not. Why would I give kaido chakra? That's not a genuine version of the character. If a character needs their opponent to have their power system for their abilities to be effective, that's their problem. I would have done the exact same thing to kaido if he needed his opponents to have Haki.
Also haki is not spiritual energy, I made a whole video on it.
It wouldn’t even matter if you give him those hax. The speed difference pared with future sight is waaay too much for Madara.
Not to hate but I feel like you heavily down played the naruto scaling,
Kurama has planetary level statements in the databooks (“power to easily turn the world to ash” and his biju bomb having “earth shattering power”) with madara scaling quite a bit higher than Kurama, with the ten tail’s chakra being shown to be have planet levels. And you have 10 tails madara scaling lot too far away from kaguya who could create dimensions with stars In them
And when it comes to speed, there’s possible light speed scaling for characters like haku, mifune, and the Samari , whom all scale quite a bit below the raikage. I’m not sure if it would be enough to say that EMS madara would blitz Kaido, but given how much stronger and faster 10tails makes a character, I feel like it wouldn’t be far fetched to say 10 tails madara could blitz.
I know a lot of these feats have interpretations, but I feel like you ignored a pretty solid interpretation for the naruto characters
Tailed beasts are weaker than their jinchuriki counterparts, The statement that he can turn the world to Ash is from a full power Kurama. All of his best feats come from KCM 2 Naruto. The 10 tails isn't as strong as Kaguya. The ten tails has a planet's worth of chakra that doesn't mean that all of its attacks scale to planetary.
Haku and mifune only have light speed scaling when using specific Jutsu. The raikage is stated verbatim to be able to reach the speed of light, If you're going to use data book statements. Don't skip over that. The raikage also tagged Madara multiple times. As for Kurama, turning the world into ash, two things can be said about that either. It's a hyperbolic statement. Or it can be interpreted that he can turn the world's surface into ash by firing tailed beast bombs over a certain period of time. None of his attacks have even remotely proven that he could just wipe out the planet itself if he wanted to. Being planetary doesn't mean that you can destroy a planet in one shot. You can be planetary by destroying a planet over a period of time. I could just as easily argue that Kurama is planetary if he were to continuously fire tailed beast bombs as he crosses through the entire planet and even then at best he'd only be destroying the surface given actual feats. Also, Madara is un-quantifiably faster as the 10 tails Jinchuriki. He was getting blitzed by attacks that weren't light speed with the Sekizo. And as I said in the video, the best you could scale night guy to is light speed because it warped space.
you overscale naruto
@@SukixChaos I’m sure I do
Yo you should do Whitebeard vs Escanor
Ngl that doesn't sound bad but I'd need at least more info on WB or Roger since he was a rival. Old man WB more than likely gets stomped😂
Yeah bro you've been cooking with these videos subscribed!!
Can you do an analysis fight between both Kaido and the king of the Chimera ants?
I'm not gonna lie, I'm not a fan of HxH and as far as I'm aware HxH isn't very high in terms of powerscaling. From what I know and I could be very wrong mind you, that fight isn't close and Meruem gets blitzed and one shot
@@El_Eon_ I guess that's a fair enough answer to make. It's just that the community and the show/manga made him seem to be more unstoppable than he really is but I personally haven't fully seen the scope of his power just yet.
However, I have another idea for another fight: Donflamingo vs Orochimaru.
@@EdgarCastilloGameMaster101 That sounds interesting I may give it a legitimate look into it
@@El_Eon_ You're welcome.
Haven't watched the vid but I got a question. When ppl use Star level OP scaling, wouldn't comparing the size of the planet to a star to upscale the verse be arbitrary false? Since Stars are much denser than a planet?
Also couldn't you interpret WB's statement as life wiping?
Watch the vid. It has nothing to do with what you just said.
@@Ahhhhh638 What I said wasn’t meant to be directly related to the video but ok.
@@sosa8549 if you didn't mean it as a question about the video and didn't watch the video then why are you commenting
@@Ahhhhh638 because I can… Why tf do you even care?
I see what you mean. But that depends on the context.
If the attack calcs to do enough damage to blow up a star, then it is star level, regardless of the surface of area it targets ( a good example would be saint seiya characters, where their attacks are so controlled that they do no collateral damage).
In the context of One Piece, explaining the size of the planet to non fans is important. Because a feat that would seam to be "city level" could actually be continent level and a non fan wouldn't know.
Shouldn’t the ten tails tailed beast bomb be taken into account? I mean, do you think juubi madara can’t replicate the same effect with his susanno or be able to tank multipe of it as he absorbed the ten tails? I jus doubt kaidos final attack could outweigh multiple of those. Then we could compare sasukes susanno to the ten tails as that susanno was having an equal clash with a tailed beast bomb by kurama and the tailed beast bomb is much more destructive that those slices madara showed against the Kage.
Naw kaido would easily dodge or just tank it
@@Mimihon-c1l dodge sure, tank i don't know bro.
@@faith4657 bro are dum he literally tank gamma ray and walk it off 10 tens is getting folded by him madara and ten tails is better fight and can go ehither whey
@user-lk5lg2jn8x 10 tails madaravisnt getting folded, and I can't believe you tried comparing gamma knife to something that literally 1 shots you.
@@faith4657 I think dum do really think kaido would get 1 shot by 10 tails bro compare kaido size and speed and strength kaido takes bigger then 10 tails he stronger hes mftl plus bro i hate people that down play one piece character
The only problem I have with the One piece world being bigger then ours calcs are that just because the one piece world is bigger does not necessary translate into having bigger islands then ours. Especially when the one piece world has more islands then ours by more then 10 times. So any calc relying on this fact for AP or DC is under skepticism
That's perfectly fine Skepticism. To be fair, the only reason why I try to use the calcs to explain that the one piece world is larger than our world is simply to make the argument that an attack can be anywhere between moon level to small planetary and it would still make sense within the confines of the story since the world in and of itself would be so large that such an attack wouldn't necessarily destroy a large portion of it.
Like an attack being powerful enough to destroy Earth wouldn't necessarily mean that it would have a massive impact on a planet like Jupiter.
while thats true one your suggesting might imply then the ap or dc capabilities of everyone in onepiece might not even reach something like moon level if one is assuming all the islands in onepiece is no bigger then ours. So hence my skepticism with on piece ap or dc calcs at times.
Still its a good video and you got a subcription from me
@@Xero_117 I appreciate it, I will say that I'll do a better job to try and make a more cohesive arguments and I know a lot of people had problems with this video. As I mentioned in the description, I had to do this in a time crunch because of certain reasons related to my personal life. But I do consider most of the problems that people have with the video more so based on their biased towards Naruto and how many believe that one piece will never surpass Naruto in terms of power scaling, which I don't personally care if it does or not, but I'm of the opinion that they're starting to get somewhere within the ballpark of relative
@@El_Eon_ I definitely agree One piece isn't too far from Naruto in terms of powerscailing now if anything one piece gets downplayed alot.
A good video suggestion I have would be Kaido and Big mom pirate alliance vs Ninja Alliance
Great work though
@@Xero_117I've had some friends even tell me that at this point I should just be the guy on UA-cam that tries to push the idea that one piece is catching up to Naruto. Not sure if I want that level of hate coming my way though 😂
You can't win against Kaido if your attacks can't "SCALE" his durability 😂
Ok, that made me laugh 😂
This was very entertaining to watch, Glad it got recommended to me.
I appreciate that, If you can thank the person who sent you my video I would also appreciate that 😂
I guess it depends on one thing. Which gets activated first, the Flaming Drum Dragon or the Infinity Tsukuyomi? Likely not the latter, since it takes time and distraction that are also not guaranteed to work on Kaido. It's a close fight, but imo, Madara loses at least 8 out of 10 fights against Kaido.
I like this guy because he actually goes of a characters abilities IF they actually did them, Like with each transformation Madara has people just tend to Assume that he can still do moves that he's never been actually told or shown doing in that form, Great video
Btw "Unga Bunga" needs to be a style more taught in schools fr
I've seen plenty of videos of people just plugging a controller in the characters and saying they'll win one way or another. I can bring up hypothetical scenarios but would rather not base my decisions on that
@@El_Eon_ To be honest I never got the reason why people Even bring up 10 tail Madara, It’s not a transformation that he himself can do, People love saying that he can just Go 10 Tails whenever he wants when it’s not even his Ability
@@koblestone1250 you're right it's not a transformation that he can access at will, I wouldn't give those arguments the time of day
@@koblestone1250yeah, but the same argument could be said for kaidos devil fruit
As someone who quit scaling Naruto vs One Piece, I'm glad you made this video. Other power scalers will scale Naruto characters extremely high but they'll ignore it when One Piece characters do the exact same thing. An example of this is Luffy dodging photons when he fought Foxy at point-blank range isn't a ftl feat but Base Adult naruto doing the same thing in the light novel is mtfl.
Think it also has something to do with observation Haki as well as the fact Luffy doesn’t move at light speed so you can’t scale him to light speed or FTL but at best give his light speed reaction(with observation haki)
@@chefdatboird3617 The problem is that Luffy will perform the exact same feats as Naruto characters but it counts for them but no One Piece characters for some reason. Heck Niji(Or at least I think it was him) Has statements saying he moved at the speed of light and in the foxy arc, Luffy dodged multiple photons(Lightspeed projectiles) at point blank range. In Thriller Bark, Zoro performed a similar feat to Naruto in the light novel. You know how people say Base Adult Naruto is ftl for dodging photons while weakened? Well Zoro did that against Kuma as his attacks are stated to be lightspeed yet Zoro danced around multiple of them and this was pre time skip. Neither of them had observation haki at this point either.
I'm not debating Luffy vs Naruto because it won't go anywhere but I will say this, if you think a Databook that contradicts itself and the source material many times is valid proof that Kurama is planet level with the statement 'Can turn the world to ashes' even though Kurama never destroyed a planet, then Whitebeard having 5 statements(some of which come from Oda and his editor), then Whitebeard should be considered at least planetary especially given the size of the OP World. One Piece is literally the only verse where you have to use real world physics to validate a feat.
Not to mention that the feats of One Piece are a bit hidden due to there being so many chapters, but they have been doing island level attacks since before the time skip like enel, ace or kuma mqking island sized attacks
I watched the whole video, I agree that Kaido could defeat Madara if the information you gathered is correct since the guy is stronger than MightGuy but Madara's tricks could buy him an infinite amount of time if Kaido just plays with him. As we have already seen, Kaido has let Luffy go several times after knocking him down thinking that he would not return, he does not give him the killing blow, therefore Madara could escape death countless times by being smarter than Luffy. This duel would last an eternity
That's not necessarily true, look back at the fights. He imprisoned Luffy after their first fight. He was gonna kill Luffy after he ran out of Gear 4 on the Rooftop but Zoro saved him. And after he got hit with Ragnarok Kaido was gonna kill him but Zoro stopped him with Deadman's gamble. Luffy kept coming back for plot related reasons like getting saved but Kaido Legit threw him off the rooftop and even thought he killed him. Like I said in the video: Kaido enjoys a fight IF the opponent can take on his full strength
The fact is, it's not Kaido's devil fruit that grant him defense to physical blow, even as a kid when he was sentence to death, the blades couldn't go (throw/threw ?) him
@@victorptr *through* him
@@El_Eon_Ah yes i see my mistake 😅 and the worst part is trying to conjugate it (i'm french and still listening to the video, great work)
@@victorptr thank you and no worries your English is actually really good!
you know its gonna be good when there is a 30 second disclaimer before the video
and half of commenter ignore it
Like the previous videos it is very enjoyable to watch
Thank you! Means a lot
"to deal with kaido's unga-bunga fighting style", couldnt agree more.
Research is so well put together, I don't know if Kaido can finish off Madara despite being more powerful.
honestly great powerscaling subbed for more
12:31 10 - Kaidou wouldn't feel limbo.
12:56 You just forgot to say that in Naruto Storm, which is a canon game, limbos use different types of jutsus.
13:37
And to say that Madara wouldn't tank Madara is absurd considering that the elderly Onoki tanked the direct impact to the head
13:45
vsbattle is a dated wiki, using their calculation is stupid
15:30 Victor in Boruto wanted Hashirama's cells because they were superior to his regeneration. And Victor was able to regenerate his head and arms. So madara could do that too
Naturo storm is NOT canon
@@Batmanwithoutears Yes he is. Why wouldn't he be?
@@Xtragams fym "he" its a game series
@@Batmanwithoutears English is not my native language
Naruto video game isn't canon, it's approved by Masashi but isn't canon to the story or novel.
Secondly Kaido will sense the attack on himself not Limbo.
Limbo will attack and Future sight shows you when you will be hit.
Lastly Boruto is inconsistent to the source material, no one regenerated an arm or leg in naruto from hashirama's cells but in boruto all of a sudden it can