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This video is nigh magnificent! I started to watch vs debates because I am a huge fan of crossovers, but the majority of scalers don't even take the characters personality account and are generally biased and treat others universes lightly in comparison. But you have decided to destroy the convention with this video and use all possibilities according to the characters stories, toolkit and personalities. Keep going, you could be the revolution for toxic-free vs crossovers.

I really appreciate the longer Vs videos. Please do more.

I really enjoyed this video. Although I wish you had touched on gojos earthquake feat and sukuna tanking jaccobs ladder that could destroy the prison realm twice during the fight, or stuff like uruames snow storm or gojos first hollow purple tearing apart the forest, you did get thing wrong when you said a special grade curse is also able overthrow a country when that statement was only for special grade sorcerers not curses, base special grade curses are at bare minimum multi city block level, you also didnt touch on the feat of kenjaku pulling away from the black hole which would help with the light speed sukuna meta a bit. But I understand if you left things out because you were unsure about those feats and statements or just forgot about them.

I honestly think sukuna loses to ANY version of madara that isnt kid madara or smth like that but I always love to see jjk glaze so I'll take it

Imo you have to look at conext. 1. On the rooftop with kaido that was him messing around. Kidds body slam didn't hurt kaido nor did any of kidds attacks. Kaido was screaming in pain to rocks at the time its obvious he was messing around and that wasn't a real feat. Yamato and luffy both using adcoc attacks straight to kaidos face didn't have him screaming in pain. That duo attack was definitely stronger than anything kidd has. Also no you cannot attribute kaw and luffys feats to boost up kidds. Luffy learned adcoa which allowed to break Kaido's durability and law has a df that ignores durability. Kidd doesn't have either of those abilities and he didn't damage kaido. Kidd just uses raw force and that slam and punk vice didn't damage kaido. 2. While yes a ring out is always a win kidd and law got lucky as she was already climbing back up. They had no idea the bombs were there and got lucky bm grabbed 1 and set off a chain reaction. When comparing the characters this shouldn't be counted heavily as not only would thier initial plan not have worked but out side forces actually koed bm not kidd or law. They got the win because the ultimately put bm in a position to lose but that's not something they could replicate to beat her. This goes double for when they tried fight yonko alone despite thimem getting stronger. Kidd was 1 shot and law even with his crew have a homefield advantage only managed a mid diff fight. It's clear they wouldn't and still couldn't beat a yonko heads up and only won against bm by pure luck. 3. I do agree law and kidd were 50/50 responsible for the overall win. Law didn't carry kidd but his role was to be the big damage dealer and help them dodge which he excelled. Kidds role was to be the vanguard and do secondary damage which he excelled at. Both did great. The thing is it was because of them working together most of thier stuff even worked. Using bm is had be it's never just kidds feats alone but law backing him up. Same for trying to use law as he always had kidd backing him up. If it was a 1 v 1 neither would get off that much of thier kit as bm would have overwhelmed them. To kidds credit he did 1 v 1 bm for a while till law got thier. 4. The opponent argument. Absolutely bm is stronger than king but you have to include the massive pis bm had while fighting kidd and law. She never tried to immediately beat them. Like when law had her stabbed she didn't just bear hug him till she snapped him like a twig which is something she could have easily done. She didn't immediately kill kidd and law when both were down but chose to start focusing on kaido and luffy instead of just killing kidd and law then going up there. She just chose to tank all thier attacks for no reason and only got knocked in the hole because she chose to tank kidds last attack. She never used her adcoc which probably would have won her the fight early on. And she stopped using her homies to help her and started just fight alone against kidd and law. So you have to take how badly and inefficiently bm was fighting. No kidd and law weren't as strong as base bm that bm was just fighting dumb. With king while he was much weaker than bm he was much more cut throat than her and he had the strongest durability of wano. When comparing zoro and kidd then he wouldn't have broken kings durability as not only dies his attacks have less ap than zoros his feats were always after law had him bm. Kidd only solo bm damaging feats were punk crush when he slamed alot of the metal around into bm and his rail gun where he pinned bm making her cough up blood. Without law's help his strongest attacks wouldn't damaged bm much and there's nothing saying he'd damage king since even his strongest attack only got a bloody mouth from bm whos durability is worse than kings. 5. When comparing the 2 you have to look at thier stats. Zoro has basically every stat over kidd but mobile as punk rotten gives kidd flight. There's no real stat where kidd is better than zoro. I agree that kidd slander going to far but objectively he's worst than zoro. He had more narrative importance than zoro in wano which is why he fought bm. If zoro fought her it wouldn't have pushed the story forward. Kidd and law were not only used to hype up the new generation but to hand deliver the poneglyphs to the other 2 yonko to put them in a even race with luffy. If they didn't get the poneglyphs bb and shanks would be way behind luffy in the pk race. Now that thier narrative purpose is over they either disappear from the story till the final fight or they become sh allies. 6. No kidd wouldn't just take zoros swords. We saw on sabody that zoro could keep kidd from taking his swords when kidd used his df to draw in metal around him. And the thing with wano kidd everyone ignores is that was a amped kidd. He got to pile up a huge of metal in onigashima and brought it all to the rooftop. This was a kidd that had a huge upper hand as he had access to a crazy amount of metal. Kidd doesn't always have that much metal and one of his major weaknesses is he's only as strong as the amount of metal he has available to him.

Madara doesn’t need you to have chakra to cast you in genjutsu. Check out Kaguya casting infinite Tsukuyomi on people before they had chakra. And him using the infinite Tsukuyomi to capture fats in Genjutsu. Those fats didn’t have chakra

Aw, yes Verse Equalization that scares many fandom if they didn't used in the conversation

Finally the battle without Equalizer the power, you just drop them in the battle and watch how the outcome will be

Good video 🎉❤

The finger bearers do not have that statement going for them. That special grade statement was for sorcerers. Not curses. Also splitting the top of a mountain so hard that the top flies off>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>flattening 200 meters of a city. Also if we are scaling characters off their domain creation, then Dagon>>>jogo. It’s not valid.

You forgot Tsunade getting completely cut in half cursed energy works through the mid section you then assume that if sukuna survived hollow purple with Domain amplification he would survive a swing from Madaras attack through the mid section which is just not true since you did not grant verse equalization

@Eon also in case you missed it madara when he first used perfect susano in the war the strike also completely obliterated the remains of the two meteors he brought down before the mountains were even destroyed. Suggesting that the slash that cut the mountains were weakened than it would have beeen.

@Eon Also wanna point out that while rct can heal the sould that's only if the user is aware of the existence of the soul and has experience with it as yuji was a special case due to having sukuna inside him. Average rct is not healing the soul imo. While i would say 100 healings is better in the sense that as long as you have chakra you will be able to grow back limbs and possible survive head damage as well. whereas if you get your stomach heavily damaged or your head in jjk rct will not be able to save you. Even hakari the greatest user of it would die if his stomach was destroyed or if he got a chunk taken out of his head.

@Eon i can see where you coming from with kurama but at the same time he didn't just put him under genjutsu he made a summoning contract with him that lasted even beyond his death when he came back in the war if he wasn't sealed in naruto he'd be able to summon it like he tried to. So while technically part of his power it's basically the same as naruto summoning toads. But that wouldn't be that fair.

Very interesting video, but mind if I lay out some/several things about Sukuna's scaling that you didn't cover in this video? 1. There is a higher end scaling for Sukuna's combat speed through Gojo's teleportation. Base off the original japanese text from JJK which is (瞬間移動/Shunkan Utsuri dō) it translates to "instantaneous teleportation" (according to Google translate), and Gojo is able to use it in close quarter combat in chapter 231 and keep in mind that Gojo would have to physically and mentally be able to process what's going on when he is moving at those speeds in quick succession in close quarter combat and the fact that Sukuna is still able to keep up with him saids a lot about his speed. This is even supported in chapter 15 and episode 7 of season 1 when Gojo deflated a sure-hit attack from Jogo's domain, granted it was just a singular attack that was coming from one direction and not it being multiple attacks coming at Gojo omnidirectionally but the fact that Gojo can respond to and counter it like that does support Gojo and Sukuna (who scales to Gojo) having instantaneous combat speeds. 2. There are three ways to scale Sukuna's strength and power. (Low-end scaling) In chapter 221 after Gojo was unsealed from the prison realm he finds himself 8,000 meters underwater in the "Japanese Trench" in the "Subduction Zone" which is important since that is where tectonic plates dive back into the mantle of the earth, and he would have been getting crushed by two tectonic plates diving back into the mantle thus he would have had to physically push the plates apart in order to leave and met up with Kenjaku and by doing this he created an earthquake that reached all the way to the "Saitama Prefecture" and the calculations for this feat from "VS BATTLE WIKI" puts it around 4.204942e+19 to 2.364613e+20 joules or island levels of power. In Goji-Chronic's "Ryomen Sukuna vs Nicole Watterson" video had a calc that brought Gojo's earthquake to around 1.61453537E+23 joules or 38.588 teratons of TNT (country level) which is backed up by other calcs in the video for other characters..... Sukuna clearing the sky in his fight with Makora in season 2 episode 17: 3.601E+18 joules or 860.646 megatons of TNT (mountain level+) to 617156124E+20 joules or 147.503854 gigatons of TNT (large island level). Hana using Jacob's ladder (with both arms) on Sukuna in chapter 213: 4.33142375E+22 joules or 35 teratons of TNT (country level) Uraume effortlessly created a snow storm in chapters 236 and 237: 5.4 teratons of TNT (small country level+) (Mid-end scaling). The durability/toughness/HP of JJK characters scales higher than their AP which is proven through "Black Flash" which in chapter 48 stated that impact of it is equal to a normal hit to the power of 2.5 which is insane. Example 1: Geto took a black flash from Yuta to the face and not only survived but was still able to keep on fighting. In JJK 0 it was stated that Rika could have destroyed a whole town (I personally think this downplays their power since Rika scales above the Disaster Curses but for the sake of argument I'll roll with it) but they never said how big the town was so I will scale this by starting from the low to mid to high end scaling. (Numbers of joules come from VS BATTLE WIKI) Small town level 4.184×10^12 to 2.42672×10^13 joules ^2.5 = 3.58079×10^31 to 2.901×10^33 joules: small planet to planet level. Town level 2.42672×10^13 to 4.184×10^14 joules ^2.5 = 2.901×10^33 to 3.58079×10^36 joules: planet to large planet level. Large town level 4.184×10^14 to 4.184×10^15 joules ^2.5 = 3.58079×10^36 to 1.132×10^39 joules: large planet to darf star level. Keep in mind that Kenjaku who had possession of Geto's body was going to be killed by Gojo in one punch and Sukuna effortlessly blocked it, this tells us that Gojo and Sukuna's AP and durability/ HP scale extremely higher than the other JJK characters. Further evidence that supports this is in fact that in chapter 208 Tengen was powerful enough to suppress half of Yuki's black hole which has been calculated to be around large planet to dwarf star level, and Kenjaku stated that the earth would've been destroyed if not for both Tengen's barrier and Yuki's will suppressing it which means that if Tengen didn't help in suppressing it the earth would have still been destroyed, and before people say that it was hax and it doesn't scale to her keep in mind that not long after Tengen helped suppress half of Yuki's black hole she is shown in a heavily weakened state from suppressing it thus her barrier's strength scale to her physical body as well. And both Gojo and Sukuna are way more powerful than Tengen is, thus they would not only scale to Tengen's feat but above it as well. Example 2: Hanami is comparable in strength to Jogo whose "Maximum: Meteor" was stated it can turn a town and its surroundings to ashes and dust (according to the "official JJK fan book"). According to "VS BATTLE WIKI" the AP of the Meteor would be around 8.3086954e+23 joules or around large country levels of power. Yuji was able to keep up with her in their fight so he too would scale to it, thus Yuji's Black Flashes would be around multi-solar system levels of AP and Hanami took five of them and was still able to keep on fighting after that. We all know Gojo would have been able to effortlessly one shot her without having to give it his all. (High-end scaling) In chapter 234 Gojo used "Maximum Output: Blue" to destroy "Chimera Beast: Agito" who earlier in the chapter survived a Black Flash from Gojo, and while the Black Flash did tore a hole in its gut the shikigami was able to effortlessly heal from it where with the MO: Blue it wasn't able to do so. This tells us that both Gojo and Sukuna's maximum techniques are not only able to match but surpass the output of a Black Flash, further evidence supports this with Gojo's "Unlimited Hollow Purple" being able to obliterate Makora who was able to take two Black Flashes from Gojo and didn't sustain anywhere near the same level of damage that Agito did from just one Black Flash from Gojo. Thus by adding this to the scaling above you would get both Gojo and Sukuna's AP to around "solar system levels" to "multi-galaxy levels" to "universal levels' of power. Chapter 219 supports this with a character named Yorozu who was able to create a "True Sphere" with her "Curse Technique: Construction" which is creating infinite pressure, and before people say that it is hax that doesn't scale to her directly chapter 42 and episode 17 of season 1 states that "Curse Technique: Construction" can put strain on the body of the caster as shown when their nose is bleeding and the fact that Yorozu could still be able to use "Domain Expansion" after creating the True Sphere shows just how powerful she is and both Gojo and Sukuna are way more powerful than her.

In character sukuna dont play around at all and alot of people underestimate literal invisible slashes but sukuna no diff alot of villains

AP vs DC in a nutshell: Doomslayer cannot vaporize Earth with a punch. If you shrink it down and put it in his hand, though, he could easily crush it into a fine powder. His attack can't cover a massive area (DC), but it is extremely power-dense (AP).

This fight isn’t close at all

So q is how stro g is madera in alive Phyicaly stronger then 10 tails 💀☠️ As in edo he got immobalize by 10 red gates whose 1 is enough to immobalize 10tail When he got alive casualy break all 10gates in sec just as jubito So it atleast 50time stronger then edo and died by sword is hirrolus as he have no chakra that time and hashi can be scale level of biju strength At end if madera see those slash he simply win the fight which he can as verse is not equalize and madera become heavenly restrictions as he dont have curse energy If it equalise then madera cant see slash

Strongest sukuna in history (gege)vs strongest sukuna glazer of today(Eon)

Narutards crying

Sukuna is not doing shit to Madara wtf 🤦

This is PEAKKKKKKK

sukuna normal slashes won't do shit his Ap is city level vs Edo Madara(weakest version)who durability is already multi continental World cutting slash won't work either it was made to cut the space where gojo was not even coming into contact with infinity it's a spawn attack that scale base off sukuna AP which at max is city level Speed is a joke sukuna is relativistic+ at best vs edo madara(slowest version)is atleast 10x ftl+ Sukuna is already stomped in AP/Speed by the weakest and slowest version of Madara Now lets go over hax sukuna has Regen, domain, vows, Now lets go over hax madara genjutsu, precognition, base on version regen, existence eraser, flight, limbo clones, soul absorb, infinity tsukuyomi, and many more Sukuna loses the hax battle as well So how is this battle closer then we think it's more like your delusional

This video will have interesting ramifications. Bro is already known as THE Naruto downplayer, so i can't wait for this video to make waves.

Im not to sure about sukuna first win con. If madara was that vulnerable to attacks that lack chakra then he would have gotten hit by the multiple kunai and shuriken being thrown at him from his blind spots. We also see people like edo itachi who is able deflect sasuke shurikens aimed at kabuto without even looking at sasuke or attack. I think madara due to his uchiha dna have some naturally heightened senses that would allow them to detect sukuna slashes air pressure and at the very least shield himself with aura .

And a complet false interpatation Izanangi need hasirama ceel to work at max wrong in war state Period every uchhua use izangi imeditaly and at fullest

Bro iknow it is hard to make 1hr viedio but something is missing 1 genjutsu retcon 1st kyubi chakra and human chakra are completly diffrent propert 2 if kurama have network then how his soul traped inside naruto creat kyubi chakra it completly revese that chakra created and flow in nework Are u proving soul also have network 🤔 3 idont get why he cant see slash as makima can see them u yourself state verse is not equalised and iam as much aware of that hevenly restriction mean no curse energy and by not equalising madera become havenly restricted 😂 3pls bro stop calling biju mountain level sane for susanoo we see 9 and 8 tail bomb explosion is way big and multiple mountain can be seen below it making then continental u evertime take that 9 and other beast clash And dedara bomb is 20 km and calling biju bomb mountain level is hirrolus 3 hasirama have more chakra then 9 tail and madera died as he have no chakra left so that sword cut him And u are comaring a jet engine 24 hr to a noraml fan engine to 4days 😅 4 durabilty of susanoo Why no other feet of dura is taken in viedio 1 only flames of susanoo tank biju road which perce through biju 2 himonid survie hirudora 3 thise susanoo which break are clone one 4 tank catescrof of 10tail And there are lot more Bro are u realy taking hand to hand fight win to sukuna against madera 😂 he cant do 1v1 where madera do 1v 80000 his skill is suppirior to kakshi and guy sorry but in this fight madera completly destroy him Akso something is off in sukunaspeed and durabilty In viedio u said he survie hollow purple but we see he take multiple damge from other attack did it other attacks are as strong as Hollow purple We see sukuna cover his hand with curse energy for which he take 200% it is not a duability feet and iam sure when 2nd time he got hit he also cover hisbody with curse energy Now speed meta Only some word if sukuna is ftl mean yuji todo gojo that lawer is ftl At end only win cind for sukuna us to land his slash but madera can see those so it not a threat And we see only 50%decrse in his curse slash efeecency drop to 90% he cant even kill yuta and yuji take multiple slash and it will cut susanoo no way it is possible till now he have curse energy as yuta still he fooded No toxixity but it is hard to belive

Gol D. Roger vs. Hashirama Senju

Iwatch entire viedio and iwant to say " thousands of powerscaling iever watched non is as gret as yours so i hear by decar eon to be one of the greatest scaler on youtbue "😊

Ems madara cant use izanagi because it requires senju dna something he was only able to attain due to biting of hashirama flesh.

Not it’s not

I wonder what is the like and dislike ratio of this video will be in like a months.

3:17 kaguya put a whole planet of people with no Chakra network under genjutsu. All genjutsu work under the same machines with different deliveries or scales. A lot of people forget this.

Always with the fire content 🔥🔥🔥

sukuna can put a barrier on his domain

Sukuna can dodge light speed attack and madara is EMS is light speed mouvement

Also considering Madara not seeing slashes: Maki could sense them. Madara should too, considering hes EMS user. MS are stated to see "Everything in the universe" which isnt contradicted. Only time MS Sasuke cant see something, is when Madara uses limbo on him, Limbo being from OUTSIDE the universe. So yeah, Madara should be able to see slashes with EMS. You also forgot to mention EMS Precog

Strongest in verse

Why don't you make a fight about demon in Piccolo Demon King Piccolo versus versus the five targets Demon King Piccolo Demon King Piccolo versus the five car Demon King Piccolo versus the five car King Piccolo

I’m sorry bro I really do respect the time and effort you’ve put into this but I believe you have consistently low balled madara feats and high balled sukuna which is fine but if you are gonna high ball sukuna with one light speed feat from Kashimo then I can do the same for madara, Naruto blitzed AY in kcm 1 which is already light speed if A is “like light” then Naruto being a blitz tier above at top speed is already faster than light by an unquestionable degree, he then stacks KCM2 and sage mode on top which is I agree is again unquantifiable but you are reasoning this to mean that the speed doesn’t really increase at all. This obviously is false. Moving onto power well if sukuna uses RCT which as you say is “like tsunada” well madara cut tsunada in half which sukuna CANNOT RCT from as curse energy comes from the stummach which would be separated from his body. That’s not even taking into account the fact that the GUMBI would nullify all of sukunas slashes bar the world slash which he wouldn’t have because he doesn’t have big raga. This means sukunas only win con is domain expansion which madara can respond with the perfect susano. Honestly I think your scaling for sukuna is fantastic and I agree with it however I think you are high balling him again which is fine but then you have too do the same for madara to make it fair which puts madara at massively faster than light and at least close to planetary attach potency, saying he destroys mountains doesn’t make him mountain level just like how goku is universal and still destroys mountains and such. Attack potency doesn’t correlate with what is destroyed otherwise the world would be destroyed everytime someone uses a strong enough attack. But imma stop my yap session I really did enjoy your video and your delivery was fantastic and you have my sub for it for definite 💯

This is good, but except for one thing; you cannot scale energy output by looking at what's made in their domains. It was said in the Sukuna and Gojo fight that whatever is within the Domain is purely symbolic. They cannot even be destroyed directly, therefore they're not real. What Dagon made was an "island" but it's not real.