Why Madara VS Sukuna Isn’t Close
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- In this video, I go over why Madara Uchiha VS Ryomen Sukuna isn’t close at all. I discuss Edo Tensei Madara, Alive Madara, Ten Tails Six Paths Madara, and True Form Sukuna at peak power. Enjoy the arguments on how to quantify just how strong these characters from Jujutsu Kaisen and Naruto are. Have a great day!
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ah my comeback from the dead technique, haven’t used it since the heian era.
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And what a disappointing comeback.
Ur still alive?
Yay your back
good comeback but i have a question didn't gege say he was reffering to society when he said sukuna could end the world cuz most of what i/ve been seeing from sukuna isn't gonna destroy earth
@@Sloppytoppy796 pretty sure he not going to destroy the place hes fighting on and ur saying that like they haven’t been reminding us that even tho Sukuna is going through all this having to pump his own heart and shi he’s still not even trying😂😂💀
Sukuna: "Scale of the dragon, recoil, twin meteors"
Madara" YOU KNOW THAT ONE TOO?!"
🤣🤣
dismantle release : world cutting slash.
LMAO BEST COMMENT HERE
Sukuna may have dodged 1 meteor, but can he dodge TWO?
Cleve and dismantle or world slash either or he’s getting past planetary devastation with ease let’s be real💀
@@jackeriehe’s talking about the meteors madara summoned not planetary devastation. Even then, slashes are not going to destroy the magnet core💀💀
@@ezednworld slash cuts reality and space itself it’s def cutting through that core 😂 anything that physically exists is getting bisected
@@redkingosiris3800 it took a rasenshuriken, tailed beast bomb, and itachis yasuka beads to destroy it. No way you think really think a SLASH is cutting the core 😂😂😂
@@ezednwell it has too It’s cutting space itself.
The strongest ninja, Madara, fought the fraud the king of curses, he began to open his susanoo. Sukuna shrunk back in fear then Madara says, “Stand proud Sukuna, you are strong.”
Keep cooking chief,I'm fully fed now.
Madara: If he would use the world cutting slash it might cause me a little trouble
Kabuto: But would you lose?
Madara: Nah, I'd win
Naruto’s the strongest ninja.
Or instead Madara said: “It’s just me, so the maps only need to be redrawn a little bit.” 🥶
Iv always said Sukuna was a sage mode Naruto victim & people called me crazy.
You are
Let's see how he deals with being decapitated or against flames that from the ambient heat can melt glass in seconds
He might as well do hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
@izayoi-cx8mr nah naruto base form is shredding sukuna with a rasenshuriken or super massive rasengan
@@KiraiKatsuji naruto to fast for slashes and when he summons around a million clones attacking sukuna at once sukuna can't deal all of it. Also not only is fire arrow slow but it also requires a lot of preperation from dismantle and cleave.
"Madara was too strong for the story"
Author procceds to introduce an even stronger villain 2 minutes after
from a writing perspective, it’s easier to kill off Kaguya than madara.
@@ToasterXD From a writer perspective. Why couldnt Sasuke use Itachi's sealing Totsuka jug that sucked Orochimaru and his curse out of sasuke? Couldnt he use it to seal Hashirama face and all his cells from Madara's body?
@@ToasterXD
Except they could've killed madara in the same way as kaguya, if not easier because as he said, madara is way weaker than kaguya
@@ToasterXD Kaguya was stronger, but sucked in battle, that is why she was easier to defeat, she mostly just hurled chakra around.
Kaguya was stronger but sucked at fighting, that is why she was easier to defeat. She was a literary a glorified 10 Tails.
Come on now, even Sukuna vs Pain is a mismatch, let alone freaking Madara Uchiha. Edo Madara (who's weaker than alive Madara) casually reacted to KCM2 Naruto. Not only Madara reacted pretty casually to KCM2 Naruto (KCM2 Naruto's speed was described by Kakashi to be similar to Minato, even Tsunade noted that KCM1 speed is just like to Minato), Madara also counterattack with the Uchihagaeshi and blows him away. That alone would probably means that Madara would blitz Sukuna
Idk bro, pain kind of looks fodder ngl
@@sphera4147the only fodder is Kashimo or Kaguya
@@sphera4147 Pain horribly destroys the jjk verse, what are you on about lol
@@pspsmallzpeople need to remember that good animation doesn’t equal more power lol, jjk verse getting blitzed by 90% of naruto lol
@@sphera4147You have to be kidding. People like you have to be new to anime because there’s no way anyone who’s been watching anime for more than a decade would say something so dumb. Most of the Narutoverse if placed in JJK would be the strongest or special grade level.
The only reason Gojo couldn't doge the first world slash was because Sukuna used a binding vow to make it instant and not require a hand sign or chant. in exchange for that every other time he has to do a hand sign chant and point his palm at the target. and before the vow, he still would have had to do the hand sign and chant
first of all welcome back Toaster! w video as well. I cant believe ppl think this is even close lmao. JJK fans need to get Sukuna past Part 1 Final Valley Sasuke first 💀
Get anyone in naruto pass takaba
@@SaraTBV Truth seeking orbs
I fully agree with everything said in the video…. Except for the fact that sukuna would scale to the black hole, to me that’s like scaling sukuna’s defense would scale to gojo’s even though gojo gains his defense from infinity. I’d say that sukuna would not scale to the black hole because it’s a special cursed technique like infinity that does not actually scale to the users cursed energy but they’re cursed technique, so basically it’s coming from hax not being equivalent to stats. So that means that just because sukuna is stronger than someone with this hax that does not innately mean he can perform it, considering he has different technique with different hax.
I'm glad you didn't downplay either of them like a lot of people do Especially with sukuna. Absolute 9/10 video
I’m sorry we’re still running with this narrative that Madara was too strong for the story when Kaguya is far stronger????
Ummmm..... Yes? At the time he was brought in yeh. Kaguya was written in for Boruto so a lot of us don't really trip about her. Madara"s aura was completely different when he was first introduced. (pain still better)
Madara was way more intelligent then Kaguya was. He's harder to beat
Madara was smart . Kaguya lost because she was …. Stupid .
Yes, Kaguya is so much stronger but she's ridiculously dumb to the point of needing her goo son (Black Zetsu) coaching her throughout the encounter whereas Madara was a combat genius honed from at least a couple decades spent on fighting and playing mind games.
@@cloudyven39No he wasn’t too much for the story Naruto/Sasuke would’ve beat Madara the same way they beat Kaguya let this false narrative die.
Oh hell yeaaaah! Shout out to Billy!
The claims you guys are making are insane. 100s of time faster than light? Being able to create an island in domain expansion doesn't equate to having raw power to destroy an island. That kind of logic makes me unable to take y'all seriously. I don't think you guys are familiar with linear increases/multiplications
U need to actually read/watch the show bro
FINALLY. Next time can you do shiki tohno vs yhwach, aizen and ichigo or him vs anos or rimuru if you watched and read either of those series'
When Tegan merge happens I need you to do another video on a vers battle when it happens
Great video 👍🔥
Thank you very much!
can you do the 12 kizuki vs 4 special grade's? in Demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen respectively
ooooh this is a good one
omg finally a video after 4 months
Nice video . 🎉
Two things that are always leftout while looking at Kashimo's speed is:
1. He converts CE into his CT so the atack is not fired as soon as he points at something(but its still fast)
2. Only after he has fired something that reaches the real speed of lightning
With these beeing said Sukuna doesnt scale above lightning speed just because he dodged Kashimo, he just saw him move,predicted what was going to happen based on his experience with lightning from Kamutoke and seeing Kashimo whitstanding it.
So Kashimo with lightning attacks is like normal person with a gun, based on the pointing you can predict the attack somewhat.
Well someone hasn't read jjk, this is the dumbest explanation of kashimo technique i ever seen
@@SaraTBVthe part where you can predict it’s path like a person with a gun is correct the other stuff tho idk 🤷♂️
8 views 1 minute... your a relic of the past bud
Bro what
lmfao
bro thinks he's sasuke 💀
No matter how you word it, it will never be funny.
My goat is back.
Bro finally returned like the avatar after welcome back
W as all ways
bro is BACK!
AVENT RAHHH
Lovely thumbnail
Can we see an IDW comics Shockwave vs video? And also maybe more Vegeta videos as well
Welcome back twin
😼
Jjk fans be watching anime for the first time and think everything about that series is fvckin' OP lmfaoooo
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Do you know where you got the information they don’t exist till they hit the opponent his normal cleave and dismantle outside domain
bro has bills to pay
The goat
So in short: We should keep bullying the JJK verse with one-sided matches since they are overrated.
Also I’m pretty sure scaling sukuna to planetary is being generous since realistically he should be island level at best but bro doesn’t even destroy more than a mountain let alone an island. I’d say in terms of consistency, sukuna should be island level in AP and relativistic - MAYBE lightspeed in terms of speed but we have people wanking gojo and sukuna so idk where this is even going
realistically sukuna would probably be interested in ninjutsu and ask madara to show him stuff about it instead of fighting him. sukuna is far to cautious to fight someone like madara at face value.
Back from the dead huh, Great video 🔥 Also u always put ur Twitter link buh no one can Dm u ur message icon don't show 😢
Yo bro now that we know a lot more about sukuna and his techniques you should do a video on if reincarnated heian era sukuna(no world cutting dismantle) vs full power gojo and they both have full knowledge of each others abilities
Well with no World Dismantle no ten shadows to help and no bumgumi to take IV i think only proper bet would be for sukuna to outlast Gojo
Sukuna:
Ap: city level - large planetary
Speed: supersonic+ - ftl
Madara:
Ap: large planetary - solar
Speed: ftl - ftl+
Sukuna gets bullied
sukuna: city to country level
speed: hypersonic+ to high hypersonic+
Madara isn't even close to solar and the highest level feat in ship. backs that with only at most a semi moon level feat. Splitting, not destroying the moon. Need to try that scaling again. Now, I still think madara could and should win, but sukuna has hacks that could win pre 10 tails madara.
Agreed
@@Xero-rr2olNah he's small country to planetary
@@devonmorrisonHe'd still get blized and as jubidara he should be able to destroy a planet because he's stronger than kurama and the jubi terraform the earth.
remember me? im solo
yes, i remember you.
W video
And when the world needed him the most, He appeared
I fw you and your content Toaster but WHY do we keep comparing jjk to the Naruto verse it’s not a fare match up especially when it comes to the high tiers like Madara ☹️ I like JJK this is abuseeeeeee💀😭
Sakura with her 100 healing destroys sukuna let alone high tiers .
@@boysinblue2570 again why is this a conversation this is a bully session unless Jjk gets a significant boost this should never be a debate
@@Tah2Crazy its mostly jjk fans who overrate their characters and think they can beat naruto
Gojo is a tenten victim
@@mayonnaise3959 alright I was with yall at first but starting to drag it don’t lose me gang 💀😭😭
Sakuna doesn't stand a chance but I want to bring up that he can be planetary and ftl and once again I'm not stating that he even comes close to Madara but the JJK down play needs to be stop
Exactly
@@odin.... Thank you
Tf sukuna will never be planetary stop glazing
hahaha. no one in jjk is even country level. no one gets to light speed.
Sukuna is high city level, maybe country level. For him to be planetary he has to fight someone that’s strong enough to destroy a planet or destroy the planet himself. JJK power levels isn’t that crazy and I know it hurts you. 😂
I didnt mean to turn notifications on but highkey im glad i did it. Good video
I appreciate it
You love to see it
Always remember that there's a reason WHY JJK isn't in the big 3 anime...
yeah cuz its... not that big... I mean 20% of one piece ig
Guys, Sakuna didn't dodge light. He aim dodged. I'm so tired of Lobotomy Kaisen out here waking their series cause they're upset that it's not universal. Shit dude, it's not Even planetary unless you count Yuki, and she would have to off herself to even do that. Already bad takes. Does Madara win? Yes, no difficulty. Does that mean you should keep over hyping this universe and make it exhausting for casual readers who touch grass and have basic logic and reasoning skills? Noooo.
Edit: NAH, YOU REALLY GAVE SAKUNA PLANET LEVEL FEATS! Trash. Trash scaling. The most Lobotomy. Your Kaisen is garbage.
I always felt (without too much thought) that naruto and jjk have similar powerscaling
can you cover altair vs sinbad
It's been awhile
JJK Vs Spawn next ?
Bro you hate jjk or something ☠️
How about Sakuna vs dragon god orsted?
So bro
Archie sonic vs medaka
DADDY IS BACK, DADDY IS BACK!!!
What?
Finally my pookie is back.
He lives
Madara: I’m faster and stronger!
Sukuna: haha, actually no.
*Que Sukuna actively using the air as footholds at less than half his power Night Guy style with arguably just as deadly of a technique…*
SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO EQUAL STATS
I like how everyone assume Madara can even see or sense Sukuna's attacks much less dodge them.
It's irrelevant how fast you are when you dont know you are being attacked to begin with.
And Madara without edo tensei or sage mode is dying pretty much from that, so we have that.
what are you taking about. You have to do verse equilization so madara can see sukuna.
Sharingan? Rinnegan?
@@N0N.o Six Eyes had trouble with them, the h%ll rinnegan and sharingan are supposed to do.
Sasuke even with Sharingan barely reacted to 8 swords from Killer Bee.
Meanwhile Gojo who can reverse engineer prison realm by seeing it once.
@@Hcjeiwjc Sukuna is a human, not a curse, Madara can see him.
But not Sukuna's attacks.
And no it's not because of cursed energy, Sukuna's attacks are quite literally almost impossible to be seen or sensed inverse even by sorcerers, which is why he was so surprised that Mahoraga could see his attacks.
i like how they had to use megumi - possessed sukuna hax to stand a chance against madara🤣
I doubt people still having this arguement 😂
It's the Internet , that's how it works .
the comeback
Sukuna didn’t dodge Kashimo’s attack it’s likely he aim dodged it. The reason I say he didn’t dodge Kashimo’s attack is because it’s shown Sukuna registered the attack was about to be launched then moved with the attack being launched afterwards. You can’t prove Maki was mentally nerfed, and even if she’s suppressed it was still stated that Cursed Spirit Naoya was moving vaguely above Mach Three so the top tiers like Sukuna, Yuta, Yuji, and so on would scale to that. The feat Toji had in the anime involved him perceiving Nue’s Lightning not reacting/dodging it, and we know characters in JJK aren’t Lightning Timers because after gaining access to Megumi’s body when he summoned Nue, Maki who is equal to Toji if not superior couldn’t dodge its Lightning, and she put her hands above her head to block the bolt of lightning. I’m sorry Toaster but they don’t scale that high in speed, but I also think you said that so the fight wouldn’t be a one-sided stomp in Madara’s favor.
Are yall addicted to setting JJK up?
very one on one
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Some of these people first anime was JJK and it shows in the comments 🤣.
Sukuna would have fun at the start of the fight, but when he realizes that madara is getting serious now. 💀🗿
17:01 bro had pretty much the best abilities in the show at the end
ofc sukuna ain’t winning😭🙏🏾
shi mahoraga ain’t gonna be enough either especially with truth seeking orbs 😭
I'm sorry WHAT?!?! After his 1 v 1 with Gojo that man was done dirty like Madara
This fight is just unfair , madara probably low diffs jjk entirely until Miwa pops up 😂😂
@@pbsuite yeah except for miwa I only meme those that aren't useless
Goku vs composite ywhach when? Also w edit
I feel like sukuna with prep time is one scary mf
Can naruto destroy a universe? Do Sonic vs Naruto
Light speed sukuna make less sense than infinite speed Goku.
> sakuna
>ftl
>cant dodge or outrun nor match Infinity an attack based on the speed of light.
Rimuru Tempest vs The Jujutsu Kaisen Verse
my glorious king father of anime villains GOAT will not lose scale properly bro
This is not fair 😭 Madara one taps the entire verse(Gojo too).
Lmao I thought you retired, welcome back!
Ppl love one-sided slaughter 😂
Planetary destruction is a literal jutsu that’s used in Naruto, why even compare? Sukuna loses 10x over , madara was damn near planetary and y’all are glazing so hard in this video
So we using name falacies now? Welp world cutting slash cuts the world itself
sukuna: i can adjust my world cutting slash and dismantle and my fuuuga open copy ability so im still holding back
Madara can either just dodge it or use Izanagi to undo the damage. Or just straight up tank it if we're using Edo Madara or revived Madara
Vergil Vs Bleach verse. still waiting
Overkill bro
Fang over Fang dog walks sakuna
Great video fr but the argument that Madara was too strong to be defeated so the only way to so it was they had to find a bs way to write him off doesnt make much sense when you understand that Kaguya was leagues above Madara in terms of strength. Along with that, Naruto and Sasuke shown to be stronger than him as the 10 tails jinjuriki.. Naruto cut him in half with one Laga style Rasenshuriken. They would've beaten him. The issue is, for me at least, while true he was made too strong, it was because of his battle IQ moreso rather than his strength. By showing him able to counter so much during the war by that point, just making Naruto and Sasuke beat him wouldve felt anticlimactic imo. There would always be people saying "madara has countered x before so why not now". And the Ideological argument he had about the state of the Shinobi world was way more effective and important for Sasuke to embody.
Why would Sasuke and Naruto fight if they both decided that controlling the Shinobi world is wrong? Can you imagine that Final Valley fight without that ideology contest hanging in the back?
Madara being manipulated by Black Zetsu is actually perfect to the point of the story of Shinobi.
Plus throughout the entire show they were setting up Kaguya... I mean even Kimimaru from part 1 is from the "Kaguya Clan".
"Madara was too strong of a villain so they brought in an even stronger one"
sukuna vs gojo was everything but a one on one
0:21 it was a 3v1 not a 1v1 what you on about
Yea you know... The ability if the sharingen to just change reality for like a few minutes are just cracked you can't beat it it's just that Naruto for some reason people didn't use it much that's what danzi used btw
Danzo I meant
But yall never sat the rest lol he loses one of his eyes forever by using izanami or izanagi plus both take setup
@@SaraTBV yea but what's spotting then from just making a identical copy of themselves and just use the 3rd sharingen? This is a loop hole also you know how itachi made it so that Kabuto or whoever that guy is get his horn cut off infinitely to repent? Well there's just a pile of horns on the floor what's stopping then from just making infinite sharingen this is also a loop hole
@darknessblade4604 no tf it's not lol you can't just start making up rules for abilities that were never used that way in the very media it comes from
@@SaraTBV ok read the light novels? Also even if it's not true would you rather lose an eye or die?
Madara would execute him without breaking a sweat his speed scales way way higher
Thought you were dead
Base naruto already could dawg full sukuna form.
Madara will quite literally stomp his shrine lol man I love Naruto
IN A WWWHHHHAAAAATTTTT?????
Near light speed just means close not accurate so cant just say he well over light speed
he blitzes someone who approaches light speed while holding back. 😭
Y’all he came back because he didn’t have enough for the Fortnite battle pass
okay buddy in that so called "one on one" was cap lol it was a a 3v1
Why me vs you Isn’t close
The data books are very inconsistent cause like then almost everyone is light speed itach has light speed attack kakashi able to block it u have haku statements A being almost light speed which actually in the raws it says like light speed then u have so6p Naruto barley dodging light speed light pohang which we can see it almost hit him and his ninja headband tie got hit which the feat was calced to be 2.11x ftl so like it’s very inconsistent for these characters at this point of time to be mftl or ftl+