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good comeback but i have a question didn't gege say he was reffering to society when he said sukuna could end the world cuz most of what i/ve been seeing from sukuna isn't gonna destroy earth
@@Sloppytoppy796 pretty sure he not going to destroy the place hes fighting on and ur saying that like they haven’t been reminding us that even tho Sukuna is going through all this having to pump his own heart and shi he’s still not even trying😂😂💀
@@redkingosiris3800 it took a rasenshuriken, tailed beast bomb, and itachis yasuka beads to destroy it. No way you think really think a SLASH is cutting the core 😂😂😂
The strongest ninja, Madara, fought the fraud the king of curses, he began to open his susanoo. Sukuna shrunk back in fear then Madara says, “Stand proud Sukuna, you are strong.”
@@ToasterXD From a writer perspective. Why couldnt Sasuke use Itachi's sealing Totsuka jug that sucked Orochimaru and his curse out of sasuke? Couldnt he use it to seal Hashirama face and all his cells from Madara's body?
@@KiraiKatsuji naruto to fast for slashes and when he summons around a million clones attacking sukuna at once sukuna can't deal all of it. Also not only is fire arrow slow but it also requires a lot of preperation from dismantle and cleave.
The only reason Gojo couldn't doge the first world slash was because Sukuna used a binding vow to make it instant and not require a hand sign or chant. in exchange for that every other time he has to do a hand sign chant and point his palm at the target. and before the vow, he still would have had to do the hand sign and chant
@@ebola52 wdym bro? the rule of the space cutting slashes that sukuna do require two of his hands that time and when gojo does his "unlimited hollow technique" it destroy both of his hands so it's obvious that he need to do a binding vow
Come on now, even Sukuna vs Pain is a mismatch, let alone freaking Madara Uchiha. Edo Madara (who's weaker than alive Madara) casually reacted to KCM2 Naruto. Not only Madara reacted pretty casually to KCM2 Naruto (KCM2 Naruto's speed was described by Kakashi to be similar to Minato, even Tsunade noted that KCM1 speed is just like to Minato), Madara also counterattack with the Uchihagaeshi and blows him away. That alone would probably means that Madara would blitz Sukuna
@@sphera4147You have to be kidding. People like you have to be new to anime because there’s no way anyone who’s been watching anime for more than a decade would say something so dumb. Most of the Narutoverse if placed in JJK would be the strongest or special grade level.
The claims you guys are making are insane. 100s of time faster than light? Being able to create an island in domain expansion doesn't equate to having raw power to destroy an island. That kind of logic makes me unable to take y'all seriously. I don't think you guys are familiar with linear increases/multiplications
Nothing changes sukuna has zero chance maki was able to dodge cleve now after few chapters the potency of cleve just drop maki was able to perceived the area of effect of cleave making the ability crappy
first of all welcome back Toaster! w video as well. I cant believe ppl think this is even close lmao. JJK fans need to get Sukuna past Part 1 Final Valley Sasuke first 💀
I fully agree with everything said in the video…. Except for the fact that sukuna would scale to the black hole, to me that’s like scaling sukuna’s defense would scale to gojo’s even though gojo gains his defense from infinity. I’d say that sukuna would not scale to the black hole because it’s a special cursed technique like infinity that does not actually scale to the users cursed energy but they’re cursed technique, so basically it’s coming from hax not being equivalent to stats. So that means that just because sukuna is stronger than someone with this hax that does not innately mean he can perform it, considering he has different technique with different hax.
“Ah yes, I recognize that jutsu. A common technique among the Uchiha and Senju back in my glory days. It’s a shame it was lost throughout time, luckily it wasn’t lost on me.”
Oh, Madara would get shit on in basically all forms. Only with external buffs does bro even start having a chance(Namely full ten tails and two rinnegans.) Anything less is getting hard blitued.
@@CluelessMonkeyKing Do you know like actual nothing about jjk ? Lmao. If you try scaling ap in jjk you have already lost the debate, it doesn't matter. JJK fodder can easily kill Madara through hax if it lands, it's completely irrelevant. Sukuna will one shot any version of Madara by scaping him out of reality, his world cutting slash bypasses all durability and cuts space away. It literally just leaves a blacked out lack of existence behind in the manga.
@@crazagres1839 Madara has healed from the exact same attack during the war. Trying to say the world cutting slash will kill him is pretty useless( plus maki has dodged the wcs so what are you trying to prove? )And JJK is fodder in terms of scaling expect it’s hax.
Madara isn't even close to solar and the highest level feat in ship. backs that with only at most a semi moon level feat. Splitting, not destroying the moon. Need to try that scaling again. Now, I still think madara could and should win, but sukuna has hacks that could win pre 10 tails madara.
@@devonmorrisonHe'd still get blized and as jubidara he should be able to destroy a planet because he's stronger than kurama and the jubi terraform the earth.
Ummmm..... Yes? At the time he was brought in yeh. Kaguya was written in for Boruto so a lot of us don't really trip about her. Madara"s aura was completely different when he was first introduced. (pain still better)
Yes, Kaguya is so much stronger but she's ridiculously dumb to the point of needing her goo son (Black Zetsu) coaching her throughout the encounter whereas Madara was a combat genius honed from at least a couple decades spent on fighting and playing mind games.
Two things that are always leftout while looking at Kashimo's speed is: 1. He converts CE into his CT so the atack is not fired as soon as he points at something(but its still fast) 2. Only after he has fired something that reaches the real speed of lightning With these beeing said Sukuna doesnt scale above lightning speed just because he dodged Kashimo, he just saw him move,predicted what was going to happen based on his experience with lightning from Kamutoke and seeing Kashimo whitstanding it. So Kashimo with lightning attacks is like normal person with a gun, based on the pointing you can predict the attack somewhat.
@@josephrogers3666 Sukuna literally perceives the light speed as incredibly slow to him even after it's fired. He stands still and performs the following things After a light-speed attack is fired. #1 He performs a chant. #2 He performs a hand sign. 3# He warns Kashimo to dodge his own attack because he's about to get cooked. 4# Fires his own attack which then completely blitzes the previous light speed beam from Kashimo.
You cannot have Sukuna as a planet buster just because of that black hole statement. Sukuna's best feats would put him at mountain level AP and small city level DC. Madara gets confirmed planetary DC from the divine tree deep forest emergence that could've pulled the Earth apart if he wanted to. In therms of AP, he has some dura negs attacks like the truth seeking orbs but if we say pure AP, should be anywhere between large planetary to star level
Calcing basically any AP in JJK is completely pointless and a misunderstanding of the verse. It's based on getting taken down through hax rather than raw power. Gojo using imaginary mass to erase all things, Sukuna cutting away reality altogether for example. Sukuna could also kill anyone in naruto regardless of power if they stood still, regardless of protection as well, as he can easily just attack the soul or scrape away reality. The ap of his general slashes are irrelevant as they can just be fixed to hit the soul instead and buffed for it. JJK fodder just based on being slightly relative to Sukuna in speed will kill mostly anything from og in Shippuden.
@@crazagres1839 this gotta be rage bait. You mention JJK speed as if the average jonin ain't speed blitzing Sukuna. People been light speed in Naruto since forever. Aside from Gojo's teleportation, Sukuna caps at hypersonic and that's if we're being generous. People like Kawaki have arguments that put them at infinite speed due to moving in a dimension with zero time flow (a bit biased since that's his dimension). Madara recreated a bigger version of the Shibuya incident in a much weaker state with much less effort. Even of Sukuna's slashed adapt to the opponent's durability, they cannot damage above Sukuna's maximum output which is large city level at best. Make it mountain level as a highball
@@JackStigma It isn't. The Average Jonin is not even a lightning timer lol. Naruto has a hardcore stop-gap with light speed, so unfortunately that's just not the case, and you cannot argue otherwise. I am talking about OG and Shippuden alone. If you watch the actual pdf bait that is Boruto, that's a personal fault of yours and I'm sorry but I'm not watching softcore cp to do versus debates. There has to be a line in the sand for all of us and that's well past mine. Naruto only gets to light speed with Six Paths Sage Mode naruto which is hard confirmed. He just barely(he visibly struggles and has his truth-seeking orb staff cut even.) manages to dodge a raw light speed attack, with his insane perception and pre-cog. This is a solid feat for light speed, and tragically completely impossible to argue. The attack itself is made of light(this is confirmed in the databook.) and is light speed.(this is also confirmed in the databook.) You will never get past this. It heavily limits Madaras max speed even in his absolute last form to a couple of times of the speed of light at most, which makes him slower to Sukuna(who handles light speed as outright slow, and practically a complete non-threat.) Previous statements are just that. Statements. Only non-intended to be pixel accurate scenes calced get to light or random throwaway hyberboles in the databook get naruto to light speed before then, and the stop-gap of this light speed feat happening afterwards will also overwrite it easily given its never contradicted, and is an actual factual feat with the full backing of the databook.(Meaning there's more supporting it then any given "lightspeed" statement prior."
@@crazagres1839 first off, Naruto is confirmed MFTL. Kid Kakashi was cutting lightning bolts with low effort. And the show is well consistent in showing base Naruto to be above light speed with things like the body flicker and earlier sage Naruto reacting to the 3rd raikage. Sasuke also shows no issue grabbing team 7 and covering them in the susano'o long after Madara launched the infinite tsukuyomi but still before the light from the moon actually touches them. Also, a light based attack is not light speed by default. Madara's attacks are way faster than light. And where did you get light speed Sukuna? I swear bro was having trouble dodging falling debris from Mahoraga in Shibuya. And do not bring up Kashimo as he's nowhere near light speed. Sukuna's best feats scale him close to hypersonic as a highball and that's about it. JJK was also consistent as a slow verse, taking how Geto (scales close to young Gojo) was completely blitzed by a bullet that hit that girl and couldn't even react until after she got shot. Also Toji had no CE to enhance his bullets. You'd need to pull out some complete BS to scale any JJK character even close to the OG Naruto hard-hitters (not even Shippuden)
@@JackStigma Hm... so he can move at 270,000 mph, and light is 670,000,000 mph. Damn, you're right, a lighting speed feat is totally light speed ! God its hard to listen to narutards sometimes. One of the hardest coping communities out there just because your favorite verse if fodder. Geto literally didn't notice the bullet. He wasn't blitzed by shit lmao. If this is the quality of the rest of your arguments you should have just stayed in the shed my guy, this is about to be embarrassing for ya. The Light has to travel from the moon, and fucking Rinnegan sasuke is absolutely light speed, who the fuck ever said otherwise ? That's Rinnengan Sasuke, its one of the most cracked characters in the verse. Sukuna completely treats factual light-speed attacks as fodder and nonthreatening, they're just too slow to be a threat to him despite him being nerfed by having actual brain damage. He has literally stood around, chanting, performed gang hand signs, and warned his opponent that he's about cook them while a light speed around was racing towards him, then still before the light got half way there he unleashed his own attack which completely blized the light speed one. He also dodged around it despite it being up to his face even before he transformed.(Meaning it was a nerfed and half-dead Sukuna at this point.) Kashimo's Mystical Beast Amber allows him to turn his cursed energy into anything lightning-related, and he uses electromagnetic waves (which are the same speed as light in the atmosphere.) and it is this attack that got completely memed by sukuna with the gang signs, warning, and his own attack blitzing it.
@@Finalslashes And twelve Kizuki have nothing could kill the special grades by their attack power being far too low to damage them, and i don't know if full disintegration wouldn't be enough
It's funny, given this is almost wholly bias. Madara has like legitimately not even a fighting chance besides his absolute last version which is a maybe. 2 Rinnegan, God Tree Absorbed 10 tails madara is the only one with a fighting chance.
I fw you and your content Toaster but WHY do we keep comparing jjk to the Naruto verse it’s not a fare match up especially when it comes to the high tiers like Madara ☹️ I like JJK this is abuseeeeeee💀😭
@@Swagjutsusolosfiction He was talking about using light speed as point of reference. And he's right. Nobody in Naruto, JJK or 99% of Anime for that matter comes even close to what REAL light speed means.
@@raducora7159 i just they are very incosistent on representating the light speed. The only character I know thar represent light speed very well is Opm character which saitama, flashy flash, platinum S and monster garou
@@raducora7159 this comment is just so dense, they can’t actually show us them moving at the speed of light because we wouldnt be able to tell what happened, use your brain.
Really enjoyed the video, you guys have researched well each fighters abilities and capabilities. I would like to hear your take on sukuna using the flame arrow right after the domain, as it was shown in one of the latest chapters. Do you guys believe it would be capable to killing madara?
Guys, Sakuna didn't dodge light. He aim dodged. I'm so tired of Lobotomy Kaisen out here waking their series cause they're upset that it's not universal. Shit dude, it's not Even planetary unless you count Yuki, and she would have to off herself to even do that. Already bad takes. Does Madara win? Yes, no difficulty. Does that mean you should keep over hyping this universe and make it exhausting for casual readers who touch grass and have basic logic and reasoning skills? Noooo. Edit: NAH, YOU REALLY GAVE SAKUNA PLANET LEVEL FEATS! Trash. Trash scaling. The most Lobotomy. Your Kaisen is garbage.
He literally dodges Kashimos attacks multiple times without effort. They are outright slow to him. For one of the attacks launched at range he doesn't even bother. He performs the following chain of actions while grinning as a light speed attack is going towards him. #1 Chanting. #2 Performing hand-signs. #3 Warning Kashimo to dodge because he's about to get cooked. #4 Unleashes his own attack. His own attack then completely blitzes the already half-way there light-speed attack. Sukuna legitimately cannot perform this particular attack in melee btw, because he doesn't have enough time in hand to hand, but against a light speed attack racing towards him, he easily did it, even spending the extra time to warn his opponent to dodge. Sukunas ap scaling is irrelevant given he one shots through hax lol.
What do you expect from these naruto fans, they always gotta take the highest interpretation of any feat from naruto while simultaneously downplaying the other side as much they can
As a jjk and naruto fan I am both happy and sad happy that one of my favorite naruto villian madara is packing up sukana but also sad because one of the goats sukana (and my personal favorite jjk characters along with toji and gojo) is being packed up with no diff
realistically sukuna would probably be interested in ninjutsu and ask madara to show him stuff about it instead of fighting him. sukuna is far to cautious to fight someone like madara at face value.
When obito hit minayo, a reaniamtion with a truthseeker orb, it was able to sample tell negate his ability to reanimate if you have them use the same power system then there’s no way Sukuna would be able to heal from it. The only issue is that this ability is inconsistent as when the third hokage was hit with it, he still regenerated.
Sakuna doesn't stand a chance but I want to bring up that he can be planetary and ftl and once again I'm not stating that he even comes close to Madara but the JJK down play needs to be stop
Sukuna is high city level, maybe country level. For him to be planetary he has to fight someone that’s strong enough to destroy a planet or destroy the planet himself. JJK power levels isn’t that crazy and I know it hurts you. 😂
Do you read jjk domain expansion attack explain?? Also depending on how you scale sukuna speed he beat madara but I don't understand about 10 tails madara
Hell no. He’s only massively hypersonic while edo weakend Madara is already faster than light. Sukuna doesn’t have a single attack in his arsenal that can even scratch Madara since domaine expansion ain’t doing shit
Best case scenario for sukuna he uses his domain and Madara says wake up to reality and reveals that sukuna's been dead before the fight even happened.
@@Hcjeiwjc sukuna atleast 5× times faster then light BUT depends how you scale sukuna speed because of the box that scale gojo he speed blitz normal madara.. 10 tails madara idk
@@marlonbarrett9986 Sukuna ain’t light speed bro. Kashimo’s ems was debunked as aim dodging. Also you realize a weakend Madara is still much faster than 5 times light speed right
Yo bro now that we know a lot more about sukuna and his techniques you should do a video on if reincarnated heian era sukuna(no world cutting dismantle) vs full power gojo and they both have full knowledge of each others abilities
Black flash being ^2.5 multiplier has been contradicted many times Gojo can harm Sukuna with his normal punches, yet a black flash only knocked him out for a few moments, which logically wouldn't make sense if a black flash multiplies power by ^2.5 Lightspeed jjk is inconsistent trash, a top tier(Hakari) can't even react to lightning and Kashimo doesn't shoot emws, he "tunes soundwaves to match frequencies of emw, which he uses to vaporize targets" which means his attacks are soundwaves coated with eroding emws, not emws themselves And Toji reacting to Nue's lightning is an outlier considering characters somewhat relative to him are getting blitzee by lightnings
Man Yall Saying A Bunch Of Bs For Madara.. for naruto scaling period.. madara aint no damn 10x planetary and he said his susano can rival a biju that was just his words and his susano soo saying HE is planetary for that is pure comedy.. saying kaguya is star level is pathetic this is a ridiculous ass video ctfu yall dont need to do anymore vs fr
Kaguya being star- solar system is literal a default baseline the community agrees with . You thinking she’s not is crazy . I go over why he’s 10x planetary . If you have an actual refutation for the arguments on the video then pop off with them
@@SosukeTYBW 1) you would also be saying gojo is universal because of his domain if u say dagon is that strong because of things his domain created. If u give gojo universal scaling this, then let introduce you to tamari who can BLOW AWAY THE UNIVERSE. 💀 2) unlike dagon and gojo who used hax to create their abilities, meaning they dont scale to them, kaguya was planning of using her truth seeking orb, which is actively growing bigger because of her chakra, to essentially nuke her entire dimension. She was going to nuke it while still being inside it, which gives her star-solar system durability
Madara: I’m faster and stronger! Sukuna: haha, actually no. *Que Sukuna actively using the air as footholds at less than half his power Night Guy style with arguably just as deadly of a technique…*
Planetary destruction is a literal jutsu that’s used in Naruto, why even compare? Sukuna loses 10x over , madara was damn near planetary and y’all are glazing so hard in this video
Yuki’s black hole was planetary, but it does NOT make Kenjaku planetary. He required his gravity technique to counter the black hole, and would not have survived using just his own durability.
As Madara opened his domain "Infinite Tsukuyomi" Sukuna's Malevolent Shrine began to break as he shrunk back in fear Madara then uttered the words "stand proud Sukuna, you were strong"
17:01 bro had pretty much the best abilities in the show at the end ofc sukuna ain’t winning😭🙏🏾 shi mahoraga ain’t gonna be enough either especially with truth seeking orbs 😭
The data books are very inconsistent cause like then almost everyone is light speed itach has light speed attack kakashi able to block it u have haku statements A being almost light speed which actually in the raws it says like light speed then u have so6p Naruto barley dodging light speed light pohang which we can see it almost hit him and his ninja headband tie got hit which the feat was calced to be 2.11x ftl so like it’s very inconsistent for these characters at this point of time to be mftl or ftl+
They're not. The Naruto light speed feat is an insane stop gap the verse cannot get passed. It's only contradicted in the databook ever, never in the actual series(there's no hardcore light speed feat besides worthless calcs.) in prior naruto so in that sense it is consistent. Lightspeed is at times used to hype things in the databook however with light fang it does double down, it's not a hyperbole. The Light fang is both made of light and is light speed, and therefor it can be taken seriously there.
@@crazagres1839 lol my argument was that using the light speed statements in the databooks are inconsistent saying light fang is light speed even tho the manga or narration of show doesn’t imply or suggest slthat it’s light speed and seeing the inconsistencies of the Naruto/boruto databooks u have to make sure the manga or the narrative of the show validates the statement
@@Buddha-igneel Light fang is not arguable. It is supported by the manga and the databook doubles down on it twice, it's supported by all existing material besides your personal delusions. The Manga directly says it is a Senjutsu attack which is firing light. The Manga literally says it is light, which is further confirmed in the databooks, but the manga already literally calls it light. The Databook Explicitly says that it is actual light being fired and then says its light speed as well, which everything in the manga supports. It's a factual light speed feat, and a complete stopgap on the naruto verse that cannot be overcome.
@@crazagres1839 novels are different continuity and isn’t canon to the main source material which is the manga. I already explained why the Naruto/boruto databooks are not reliable sources and can only be used if the story validates it, u saying the manga supports it without actually bringing up the reason y or how it does, does not prove that it does validate it that’s just circular reasoning. Senjutsu attack can be multiple things but just because it’s a senjutsu doesn’t mean it’s actually light speed or it is light also me the ch where it says it is light in the manga. U can’t use what’s in question as evidence to support that it’s valid lol 😂
@@Buddha-igneel Who is talking about novels ? I'm talking about the official databooks that were published. I never even brought them up. You good my guy ? Also, you didn't prove that they were not reliable sources. What you did prove(which I also mentioned personally, and is irrelevant.) that they are not always reliable in a 1-1 sense. Kakashi is famously not actually ominpotent, however throwing out canon material completely because you "don't like it and it disagrees with you." is not how any of this works. Parts of the databooks we know are inaccurate because it is in Conflict with what's in the manga. It is still an authoritative source, as long as it's not in conflict with the manga, and it's in perfect agreement here, and as such serves as a confirmation of what we saw on the pages. You don't actually get to throw out all canon material in existence agreeing with a conclusion just because you don't like that you're factually wrong lol.
I don't know what drugs you're on but JJK characters ain't moving lightspeed, any Kashimo thing you try use isn't gonna work cause his whole thing is lightning/electricity, which are slower than light, yes he can do anything lightning and electricity can do, but that's the thing, LIGHTNING and ELECTRICITY, not light, so those EM things Kashimo does, aren't lightspeed, cause they're not any form of light, and also, JJK characters being lightspeed, means they would be getting decently close to the speed of verses where they would not be able to catch up with in any stat, except with durability, cause strength and defence are two separate things, you can deal insanely high damage while being extremely fragile, but that's not the case for a lot of very popular anime, like: One Piece, Bleach, Dragon Ball, Jujutsu Kaisen, et cetera. and yes it can apply to speed as well, but, JJK characters even the fastest ones, are NOT lightspeed, they are faster or the same speed as lightning, but not light, also, sorry for the semi long comment.
ah my comeback from the dead technique, haven’t used it since the heian era.
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And what a disappointing comeback.
Ur still alive?
Yay your back
good comeback but i have a question didn't gege say he was reffering to society when he said sukuna could end the world cuz most of what i/ve been seeing from sukuna isn't gonna destroy earth
@@Sloppytoppy796 pretty sure he not going to destroy the place hes fighting on and ur saying that like they haven’t been reminding us that even tho Sukuna is going through all this having to pump his own heart and shi he’s still not even trying😂😂💀
Sukuna: "Scale of the dragon, recoil, twin meteors"
Madara" YOU KNOW THAT ONE TOO?!"
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dismantle release : world cutting slash.
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Madara would just simply dodge@@African-AmericanGoose
@@African-AmericanGoose limbo
Sukuna may have dodged 1 meteor, but can he dodge TWO?
Cleve and dismantle or world slash either or he’s getting past planetary devastation with ease let’s be real💀
@@jackeriehe’s talking about the meteors madara summoned not planetary devastation. Even then, slashes are not going to destroy the magnet core💀💀
@@ezednworld slash cuts reality and space itself it’s def cutting through that core 😂 anything that physically exists is getting bisected
@@redkingosiris3800 it took a rasenshuriken, tailed beast bomb, and itachis yasuka beads to destroy it. No way you think really think a SLASH is cutting the core 😂😂😂
@@ezednwell it has too It’s cutting space itself.
The strongest ninja, Madara, fought the fraud the king of curses, he began to open his susanoo. Sukuna shrunk back in fear then Madara says, “Stand proud Sukuna, you are strong.”
Keep cooking chief,I'm fully fed now.
Madara: If he would use the world cutting slash it might cause me a little trouble
Kabuto: But would you lose?
Madara: Nah, I'd win
Naruto’s the strongest ninja.
Or instead Madara said: “It’s just me, so the maps only need to be redrawn a little bit.” 🥶
Huh susanoo ain't surging WCS
"Madara was too strong for the story"
Author procceds to introduce an even stronger villain 2 minutes after
from a writing perspective, it’s easier to kill off Kaguya than madara.
@@ToasterXD From a writer perspective. Why couldnt Sasuke use Itachi's sealing Totsuka jug that sucked Orochimaru and his curse out of sasuke? Couldnt he use it to seal Hashirama face and all his cells from Madara's body?
@@ToasterXD
Except they could've killed madara in the same way as kaguya, if not easier because as he said, madara is way weaker than kaguya
@@ToasterXD Kaguya was stronger, but sucked in battle, that is why she was easier to defeat, she mostly just hurled chakra around.
Kaguya was stronger but sucked at fighting, that is why she was easier to defeat. She was a literary a glorified 10 Tails.
Iv always said Sukuna was a sage mode Naruto victim & people called me crazy.
You are
Let's see how he deals with being decapitated or against flames that from the ambient heat can melt glass in seconds
He might as well do hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
@izayoi-cx8mr nah naruto base form is shredding sukuna with a rasenshuriken or super massive rasengan
@@KiraiKatsuji naruto to fast for slashes and when he summons around a million clones attacking sukuna at once sukuna can't deal all of it. Also not only is fire arrow slow but it also requires a lot of preperation from dismantle and cleave.
The only reason Gojo couldn't doge the first world slash was because Sukuna used a binding vow to make it instant and not require a hand sign or chant. in exchange for that every other time he has to do a hand sign chant and point his palm at the target. and before the vow, he still would have had to do the hand sign and chant
This is speculation but I agree
@@ebola52it isn’t tho
@@Finalslasheswhen was that stated?
@@Finalslashes Sukuna having to use hand signs and incantations before the world slash nerf is speculation.
@@ebola52 wdym bro? the rule of the space cutting slashes that sukuna do require two of his hands that time and when gojo does his "unlimited hollow technique" it destroy both of his hands so it's obvious that he need to do a binding vow
Come on now, even Sukuna vs Pain is a mismatch, let alone freaking Madara Uchiha. Edo Madara (who's weaker than alive Madara) casually reacted to KCM2 Naruto. Not only Madara reacted pretty casually to KCM2 Naruto (KCM2 Naruto's speed was described by Kakashi to be similar to Minato, even Tsunade noted that KCM1 speed is just like to Minato), Madara also counterattack with the Uchihagaeshi and blows him away. That alone would probably means that Madara would blitz Sukuna
Idk bro, pain kind of looks fodder ngl
@@sphera4147the only fodder is Kashimo or Kaguya
@@sphera4147 Pain horribly destroys the jjk verse, what are you on about lol
@@pspsmallzpeople need to remember that good animation doesn’t equal more power lol, jjk verse getting blitzed by 90% of naruto lol
@@sphera4147You have to be kidding. People like you have to be new to anime because there’s no way anyone who’s been watching anime for more than a decade would say something so dumb. Most of the Narutoverse if placed in JJK would be the strongest or special grade level.
The claims you guys are making are insane. 100s of time faster than light? Being able to create an island in domain expansion doesn't equate to having raw power to destroy an island. That kind of logic makes me unable to take y'all seriously. I don't think you guys are familiar with linear increases/multiplications
U need to actually read/watch the show bro
No they think sukuna has infinite ap since he’s stronger than yorozu
@@Yordi.i.i except that I do watch the show. I'm obsessed.
Nothing changes sukuna has zero chance maki was able to dodge cleve now after few chapters the potency of cleve just drop maki was able to perceived the area of effect of cleave making the ability crappy
keep your delusions to yourself
I'm glad you didn't downplay either of them like a lot of people do Especially with sukuna. Absolute 9/10 video
Jjk fans be watching anime for the first time and think everything about that series is fvckin' OP lmfaoooo
Ong i hate them
I’m a jjk fan and even I admit defeat since I watched Naruto
My real question is does Sung Jinwoo solo both of them lmao
@@yungruuku TDK solos him n ur verse
The animation makes the characters seems stronger then they actually are
first of all welcome back Toaster! w video as well. I cant believe ppl think this is even close lmao. JJK fans need to get Sukuna past Part 1 Final Valley Sasuke first 💀
Get anyone in naruto pass takaba
@@SosukeTYBW Truth seeking orbs
@@SosukeTYBWfodder
Make more swbf2 vids
@@SosukeTYBW get anyone in jjk past hashirama
I fully agree with everything said in the video…. Except for the fact that sukuna would scale to the black hole, to me that’s like scaling sukuna’s defense would scale to gojo’s even though gojo gains his defense from infinity. I’d say that sukuna would not scale to the black hole because it’s a special cursed technique like infinity that does not actually scale to the users cursed energy but they’re cursed technique, so basically it’s coming from hax not being equivalent to stats. So that means that just because sukuna is stronger than someone with this hax that does not innately mean he can perform it, considering he has different technique with different hax.
Yea like if we do that we have to say makora has infinite strength since it counters true sphere
@@Finalslashes fax
"ah yes, my anti-ninja technique I haven't used since the heian era"
“Ah yes, I recognize that jutsu. A common technique among the Uchiha and Senju back in my glory days. It’s a shame it was lost throughout time, luckily it wasn’t lost on me.”
So in short: We should keep bullying the JJK verse with one-sided matches since they are overrated.
Fr they gonna wank so hard their going to say they have infinite ap because of yorozu
Oh, Madara would get shit on in basically all forms. Only with external buffs does bro even start having a chance(Namely full ten tails and two rinnegans.) Anything less is getting hard blitued.
@@crazagres1839 Base Sukuna is like mult city block level. Madara is country level+. The fight is already decided
@@CluelessMonkeyKing Do you know like actual nothing about jjk ? Lmao. If you try scaling ap in jjk you have already lost the debate, it doesn't matter. JJK fodder can easily kill Madara through hax if it lands, it's completely irrelevant.
Sukuna will one shot any version of Madara by scaping him out of reality, his world cutting slash bypasses all durability and cuts space away. It literally just leaves a blacked out lack of existence behind in the manga.
@@crazagres1839 Madara has healed from the exact same attack during the war. Trying to say the world cutting slash will kill him is pretty useless( plus maki has dodged the wcs so what are you trying to prove? )And JJK is fodder in terms of scaling expect it’s hax.
Ask sukuna if he wants one clone with 25 Susanos or 5 clones with each susanos
He'd, and he'd kill all of them lmao.
He a little confused but he got the spirit
8 views 1 minute... your a relic of the past bud
Bro what
lmfao
bro thinks he's sasuke 💀
No matter how you word it, it will never be funny.
0:23 A ONE ON ONE REALLY ?!?!?!
Just like Christians 😂😂
@@eidentherex7216 what
@@eidentherex7216nga what?
@@ElixirVlixur Trinity
Sukuna:
Ap: city level - large planetary
Speed: supersonic+ - ftl
Madara:
Ap: large planetary - solar
Speed: ftl - ftl+
Sukuna gets bullied
sukuna: city to country level
speed: hypersonic+ to high hypersonic+
Madara isn't even close to solar and the highest level feat in ship. backs that with only at most a semi moon level feat. Splitting, not destroying the moon. Need to try that scaling again. Now, I still think madara could and should win, but sukuna has hacks that could win pre 10 tails madara.
Agreed
@@Xero-rr2olNah he's small country to planetary
@@devonmorrisonHe'd still get blized and as jubidara he should be able to destroy a planet because he's stronger than kurama and the jubi terraform the earth.
Madara if Sukuna dodges the meteor
“But now.. what will you do about the second one Sukuna?”
I’m sorry we’re still running with this narrative that Madara was too strong for the story when Kaguya is far stronger????
Ummmm..... Yes? At the time he was brought in yeh. Kaguya was written in for Boruto so a lot of us don't really trip about her. Madara"s aura was completely different when he was first introduced. (pain still better)
Madara was way more intelligent then Kaguya was. He's harder to beat
Madara was smart . Kaguya lost because she was …. Stupid .
Yes, Kaguya is so much stronger but she's ridiculously dumb to the point of needing her goo son (Black Zetsu) coaching her throughout the encounter whereas Madara was a combat genius honed from at least a couple decades spent on fighting and playing mind games.
@@cloudyven39No he wasn’t too much for the story Naruto/Sasuke would’ve beat Madara the same way they beat Kaguya let this false narrative die.
Welcome back twin
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Oh hell yeaaaah! Shout out to Billy!
bro is BACK!
AVENT RAHHH
FINALLY. Next time can you do shiki tohno vs yhwach, aizen and ichigo or him vs anos or rimuru if you watched and read either of those series'
Why tf did you suggest the first one neither one of the Shiloh’s minus void have the speed to tag him
Two things that are always leftout while looking at Kashimo's speed is:
1. He converts CE into his CT so the atack is not fired as soon as he points at something(but its still fast)
2. Only after he has fired something that reaches the real speed of lightning
With these beeing said Sukuna doesnt scale above lightning speed just because he dodged Kashimo, he just saw him move,predicted what was going to happen based on his experience with lightning from Kamutoke and seeing Kashimo whitstanding it.
So Kashimo with lightning attacks is like normal person with a gun, based on the pointing you can predict the attack somewhat.
Well someone hasn't read jjk, this is the dumbest explanation of kashimo technique i ever seen
@@SosukeTYBWthe part where you can predict it’s path like a person with a gun is correct the other stuff tho idk 🤷♂️
@@SosukeTYBWsukuna blitzes😂😂
@@josephrogers3666 Sukuna literally perceives the light speed as incredibly slow to him even after it's fired. He stands still and performs the following things After a light-speed attack is fired.
#1 He performs a chant.
#2 He performs a hand sign.
3# He warns Kashimo to dodge his own attack because he's about to get cooked.
4# Fires his own attack which then completely blitzes the previous light speed beam from Kashimo.
@@crazagres1839 I’m pretty sure sukuna is shown reacting before it’s fired implying he aim dodged it but maybe I’m wrong idk 🤷♂️
You cannot have Sukuna as a planet buster just because of that black hole statement. Sukuna's best feats would put him at mountain level AP and small city level DC.
Madara gets confirmed planetary DC from the divine tree deep forest emergence that could've pulled the Earth apart if he wanted to.
In therms of AP, he has some dura negs attacks like the truth seeking orbs but if we say pure AP, should be anywhere between large planetary to star level
Calcing basically any AP in JJK is completely pointless and a misunderstanding of the verse. It's based on getting taken down through hax rather than raw power. Gojo using imaginary mass to erase all things, Sukuna cutting away reality altogether for example. Sukuna could also kill anyone in naruto regardless of power if they stood still, regardless of protection as well, as he can easily just attack the soul or scrape away reality. The ap of his general slashes are irrelevant as they can just be fixed to hit the soul instead and buffed for it.
JJK fodder just based on being slightly relative to Sukuna in speed will kill mostly anything from og in Shippuden.
@@crazagres1839 this gotta be rage bait. You mention JJK speed as if the average jonin ain't speed blitzing Sukuna. People been light speed in Naruto since forever. Aside from Gojo's teleportation, Sukuna caps at hypersonic and that's if we're being generous. People like Kawaki have arguments that put them at infinite speed due to moving in a dimension with zero time flow (a bit biased since that's his dimension).
Madara recreated a bigger version of the Shibuya incident in a much weaker state with much less effort.
Even of Sukuna's slashed adapt to the opponent's durability, they cannot damage above Sukuna's maximum output which is large city level at best. Make it mountain level as a highball
@@JackStigma It isn't. The Average Jonin is not even a lightning timer lol. Naruto has a hardcore stop-gap with light speed, so unfortunately that's just not the case, and you cannot argue otherwise.
I am talking about OG and Shippuden alone. If you watch the actual pdf bait that is Boruto, that's a personal fault of yours and I'm sorry but I'm not watching softcore cp to do versus debates. There has to be a line in the sand for all of us and that's well past mine.
Naruto only gets to light speed with Six Paths Sage Mode naruto which is hard confirmed. He just barely(he visibly struggles and has his truth-seeking orb staff cut even.) manages to dodge a raw light speed attack, with his insane perception and pre-cog.
This is a solid feat for light speed, and tragically completely impossible to argue. The attack itself is made of light(this is confirmed in the databook.) and is light speed.(this is also confirmed in the databook.) You will never get past this. It heavily limits Madaras max speed even in his absolute last form to a couple of times of the speed of light at most, which makes him slower to Sukuna(who handles light speed as outright slow, and practically a complete non-threat.)
Previous statements are just that. Statements. Only non-intended to be pixel accurate scenes calced get to light or random throwaway hyberboles in the databook get naruto to light speed before then, and the stop-gap of this light speed feat happening afterwards will also overwrite it easily given its never contradicted, and is an actual factual feat with the full backing of the databook.(Meaning there's more supporting it then any given "lightspeed" statement prior."
@@crazagres1839 first off, Naruto is confirmed MFTL. Kid Kakashi was cutting lightning bolts with low effort. And the show is well consistent in showing base Naruto to be above light speed with things like the body flicker and earlier sage Naruto reacting to the 3rd raikage.
Sasuke also shows no issue grabbing team 7 and covering them in the susano'o long after Madara launched the infinite tsukuyomi but still before the light from the moon actually touches them. Also, a light based attack is not light speed by default. Madara's attacks are way faster than light.
And where did you get light speed Sukuna? I swear bro was having trouble dodging falling debris from Mahoraga in Shibuya. And do not bring up Kashimo as he's nowhere near light speed.
Sukuna's best feats scale him close to hypersonic as a highball and that's about it.
JJK was also consistent as a slow verse, taking how Geto (scales close to young Gojo) was completely blitzed by a bullet that hit that girl and couldn't even react until after she got shot. Also Toji had no CE to enhance his bullets.
You'd need to pull out some complete BS to scale any JJK character even close to the OG Naruto hard-hitters (not even Shippuden)
@@JackStigma
Hm... so he can move at 270,000 mph, and light is 670,000,000 mph. Damn, you're right, a lighting speed feat is totally light speed ! God its hard to listen to narutards sometimes. One of the hardest coping communities out there just because your favorite verse if fodder.
Geto literally didn't notice the bullet. He wasn't blitzed by shit lmao. If this is the quality of the rest of your arguments you should have just stayed in the shed my guy, this is about to be embarrassing for ya.
The Light has to travel from the moon, and fucking Rinnegan sasuke is absolutely light speed, who the fuck ever said otherwise ? That's Rinnengan Sasuke, its one of the most cracked characters in the verse.
Sukuna completely treats factual light-speed attacks as fodder and nonthreatening, they're just too slow to be a threat to him despite him being nerfed by having actual brain damage. He has literally stood around, chanting, performed gang hand signs, and warned his opponent that he's about cook them while a light speed around was racing towards him, then still before the light got half way there he unleashed his own attack which completely blized the light speed one. He also dodged around it despite it being up to his face even before he transformed.(Meaning it was a nerfed and half-dead Sukuna at this point.)
Kashimo's Mystical Beast Amber allows him to turn his cursed energy into anything lightning-related, and he uses electromagnetic waves (which are the same speed as light in the atmosphere.) and it is this attack that got completely memed by sukuna with the gang signs, warning, and his own attack blitzing it.
Canon ending is sukuna and madara becoming homies and going around destroying the top tiers in their verses together
can you do the 12 kizuki vs 4 special grade's? in Demon slayer and jujutsu kaisen respectively
Special grades negs😂😂
@@RYANARRADIthey would if they can last 6-10 hours the problem is they have nothing that can fr kill them
@@Finalslashes And twelve Kizuki have nothing could kill the special grades by their attack power being far too low to damage them, and i don't know if full disintegration wouldn't be enough
Sukuna is getting washed and folded like my laundry
It's funny, given this is almost wholly bias. Madara has like legitimately not even a fighting chance besides his absolute last version which is a maybe. 2 Rinnegan, God Tree Absorbed 10 tails madara is the only one with a fighting chance.
@@crazagres1839Boruto solos beyond neg
@@Jamuzu I don't read softcore cp so I can't confirm. If you do, maybe you should talk to the police about that ngl.
@@crazagres1839bro fighting for his life in all of the other comment sections lmfao
@@crazagres1839 madara solos the jjk verse 😂 jjk is weak compared to Naruto.
Great video 👍🔥
Thank you very much!
I fw you and your content Toaster but WHY do we keep comparing jjk to the Naruto verse it’s not a fare match up especially when it comes to the high tiers like Madara ☹️ I like JJK this is abuseeeeeee💀😭
Sakura with her 100 healing destroys sukuna let alone high tiers .
@@boysinblue2570 again why is this a conversation this is a bully session unless Jjk gets a significant boost this should never be a debate
@@DeadBoiTah its mostly jjk fans who overrate their characters and think they can beat naruto
Gojo is a tenten victim
@@mayonnaise3959 alright I was with yall at first but starting to drag it don’t lose me gang 💀😭😭
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BASE Madara is already OVERKILL Sukuna
Six Path Madara will turn him into ATOMS 💀
Base Madara gets shit on by Sukuna with neg diff, that's not even a fight. Only 2 Rinnegan Madara actually makes it somewhat arguably.
@@crazagres1839bro Sukuna travels like 3x the speed of sound he gets no neg diffed by akatsuki madara get him last kid baruto
@@Jamuzu Ah yes, the speed of light attack he manhandles is about 3 times the speed of sound to you I imagine lmao ?
@@crazagres1839 Boruto is an overkill for him lmao. But if we are starting with Madara this matchup isn’t even funny either lmao.
@@Jamuzu
Oh Madara would just get blitzed and shat on, it's not even a fight. Sukuna outstats him waaay too bad.
W as all ways
I never understood why people used light speed as a power scaling,if sukuna was light speed he could travel the earth 7 time in one second
Power scaling involves speed, strength, abilities, and hax. That's why
@@Swagjutsusolosfiction He was talking about using light speed as point of reference. And he's right. Nobody in Naruto, JJK or 99% of Anime for that matter comes even close to what REAL light speed means.
@@raducora7159 i just they are very incosistent on representating the light speed. The only character I know thar represent light speed very well is Opm character which saitama, flashy flash, platinum S and monster garou
@@raducora7159 imagine crying about a fictional world having light speed feats 😂 be fr you guys want it to be so realistic 🤡
@@raducora7159 this comment is just so dense, they can’t actually show us them moving at the speed of light because we wouldnt be able to tell what happened, use your brain.
Some of these people first anime was JJK and it shows in the comments 🤣.
frrrrrr
WWWWW VID, BRO FINALLY WOKE UP FROM THE FOSSILS
whats the song for 12:00 and onward? ik it's malevolent shrine, but what specific remix
bro has bills to pay
When Tegan merge happens I need you to do another video on a vers battle when it happens
It will happen next chapter don’t worry👍
I stopped arguing with my best friend when he said that Kaido ( one piece ) one shots Madara, including jubidara 😅😅😅😅
Bro finally returned like the avatar after welcome back
Really enjoyed the video, you guys have researched well each fighters abilities and capabilities. I would like to hear your take on sukuna using the flame arrow right after the domain, as it was shown in one of the latest chapters. Do you guys believe it would be capable to killing madara?
Guys, Sakuna didn't dodge light. He aim dodged. I'm so tired of Lobotomy Kaisen out here waking their series cause they're upset that it's not universal. Shit dude, it's not Even planetary unless you count Yuki, and she would have to off herself to even do that. Already bad takes. Does Madara win? Yes, no difficulty. Does that mean you should keep over hyping this universe and make it exhausting for casual readers who touch grass and have basic logic and reasoning skills? Noooo.
Edit: NAH, YOU REALLY GAVE SAKUNA PLANET LEVEL FEATS! Trash. Trash scaling. The most Lobotomy. Your Kaisen is garbage.
He literally dodges Kashimos attacks multiple times without effort. They are outright slow to him. For one of the attacks launched at range he doesn't even bother. He performs the following chain of actions while grinning as a light speed attack is going towards him.
#1 Chanting.
#2 Performing hand-signs.
#3 Warning Kashimo to dodge because he's about to get cooked.
#4 Unleashes his own attack.
His own attack then completely blitzes the already half-way there light-speed attack. Sukuna legitimately cannot perform this particular attack in melee btw, because he doesn't have enough time in hand to hand, but against a light speed attack racing towards him, he easily did it, even spending the extra time to warn his opponent to dodge.
Sukunas ap scaling is irrelevant given he one shots through hax lol.
Do you know where you got the information they don’t exist till they hit the opponent his normal cleave and dismantle outside domain
Madara will quite literally stomp his shrine lol man I love Naruto
If it's a version of his that uses Susanno he's already lost lmao.
I always felt (without too much thought) that naruto and jjk have similar powerscaling
Nice video . 🎉
Back from the dead huh, Great video 🔥 Also u always put ur Twitter link buh no one can Dm u ur message icon don't show 😢
Plz Sukuna is a 5th gate CHUNIN EXAM Rock Lee victim😂😂😂
One susano slash and jjk verse is gone
😂
15:23 allegedly Gojo saw it but didn’t think it would break through his infinity, but I’ve seen so many takes on that idk if I’m even close
Can we see an IDW comics Shockwave vs video? And also maybe more Vegeta videos as well
"This is how we gonna do this:
Roses are red, weapons against me won't prosper.
With this sacred treasure I summon...
Big 'raga, the opp stopa."
Would your raga want my 25 clones use susanoo's and play football with your head and dance on your world cutting tickle or not -Madara
@@mephistophelesson1073 Nah, I'd adapt
@@oneofevery9365he’d die worst case genjutsu
oh my fucking god lets all be so honest the scaling in this video sucks and its too highballed
What do you expect from these naruto fans, they always gotta take the highest interpretation of any feat from naruto while simultaneously downplaying the other side as much they can
@@SosukeTYBW bro jjk side wasnt even downplayed they were also highballed too, like black flashes are not planetary dawg, this entire video sucks
@@nebulaisinvalid461sukuna: ohh so u want only bs?
@@SosukeTYBWthat wasn’t highballed Madara . If anything it’s the lower end of his scaling
@BILLYNFU 10x planetary is lowballed? Lol OK buddy and gojo universal since his domain has a universe within it, see I can wank too
Just say you love madara
He wins tho
Nah, Madara stomps regardless. It's not even a contest
BILLY!
@@Lowkeygoner_pac the goat
As a jjk and naruto fan I am both happy and sad happy that one of my favorite naruto villian madara is packing up sukana but also sad because one of the goats sukana (and my personal favorite jjk characters along with toji and gojo) is being packed up with no diff
remember me? im solo
yes, i remember you.
realistically sukuna would probably be interested in ninjutsu and ask madara to show him stuff about it instead of fighting him. sukuna is far to cautious to fight someone like madara at face value.
Always remember that there's a reason WHY JJK isn't in the big 3 anime...
yeah cuz its... not that big... I mean 20% of one piece ig
@@my2danimations478op world is big
Yeah becauee it's new.
No anime can be part of the big 3 lol. The Big 3 is a set 3 specific animes from a specific time period. Bleach isn't even that good.
omg finally a video after 4 months
When obito hit minayo, a reaniamtion with a truthseeker orb, it was able to sample tell negate his ability to reanimate if you have them use the same power system then there’s no way Sukuna would be able to heal from it. The only issue is that this ability is inconsistent as when the third hokage was hit with it, he still regenerated.
Sakuna doesn't stand a chance but I want to bring up that he can be planetary and ftl and once again I'm not stating that he even comes close to Madara but the JJK down play needs to be stop
Exactly
@@odin.... Thank you
Tf sukuna will never be planetary stop glazing
hahaha. no one in jjk is even country level. no one gets to light speed.
Sukuna is high city level, maybe country level. For him to be planetary he has to fight someone that’s strong enough to destroy a planet or destroy the planet himself. JJK power levels isn’t that crazy and I know it hurts you. 😂
I saw a vid where they animated gojo beating kakashi 🤦🏾♂️ kakashi washes him ten times over
The power scaling you guys do are beyond crazy lol
Can you do Gojo vs hashirama
Gojo can't be killed by traditional means, I think they'd have to resort to reaper death seal or something
this is a crazy good topic, i will do it.
@@jeanniemaycrawford4466hashirama easily lol
@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 hashirama stomps easily stop this bs
I didnt mean to turn notifications on but highkey im glad i did it. Good video
I appreciate it
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Do you read jjk domain expansion attack explain?? Also depending on how you scale sukuna speed he beat madara but I don't understand about 10 tails madara
Hell no. He’s only massively hypersonic while edo weakend Madara is already faster than light. Sukuna doesn’t have a single attack in his arsenal that can even scratch Madara since domaine expansion ain’t doing shit
Best case scenario for sukuna he uses his domain and Madara says wake up to reality and reveals that sukuna's been dead before the fight even happened.
@@Hcjeiwjc sukuna atleast 5× times faster then light BUT depends how you scale sukuna speed because of the box that scale gojo he speed blitz normal madara.. 10 tails madara idk
@@Lbhero08madara only like using physical attack not once have you seen him using mind games .... this video is not fair at explaining sukuna ability
@@marlonbarrett9986 Sukuna ain’t light speed bro. Kashimo’s ems was debunked as aim dodging. Also you realize a weakend Madara is still much faster than 5 times light speed right
And when the world needed him the most, He appeared
My goat is back.
i like how they had to use megumi - possessed sukuna hax to stand a chance against madara🤣
sukuna: i can adjust my world cutting slash and dismantle and my fuuuga open copy ability so im still holding back
Madara can either just dodge it or use Izanagi to undo the damage. Or just straight up tank it if we're using Edo Madara or revived Madara
Sukuna would have fun at the start of the fight, but when he realizes that madara is getting serious now. 💀🗿
The goat
Sukuna spanks instantly but he’s under genjutsu
Genjutsu wouldn't do much to JJK characters at the higher level, especially Sukuna who is piloting and controlling two bodies at once lol.
You for got Madaras ems abilities, lmao how does sukuna counter that?
W video
"Would you like these clones to use Susanoo or not? Your choice."
Yo bro now that we know a lot more about sukuna and his techniques you should do a video on if reincarnated heian era sukuna(no world cutting dismantle) vs full power gojo and they both have full knowledge of each others abilities
Well with no World Dismantle no ten shadows to help and no bumgumi to take IV i think only proper bet would be for sukuna to outlast Gojo
@@KiraiKatsujionly way for sukuna to win is he if he spams domains over and over until they both due
@@RYANARRADI Yeah outlast Gojo
scaling sukuna to 2.6x faster than light is crazy work, theres this thing called aim doging
@@that1editingkid892 which he does 1 time while almost dead lmao
Black flash being ^2.5 multiplier has been contradicted many times
Gojo can harm Sukuna with his normal punches, yet a black flash only knocked him out for a few moments, which logically wouldn't make sense if a black flash multiplies power by ^2.5
Lightspeed jjk is inconsistent trash, a top tier(Hakari) can't even react to lightning and Kashimo doesn't shoot emws, he "tunes soundwaves to match frequencies of emw, which he uses to vaporize targets" which means his attacks are soundwaves coated with eroding emws, not emws themselves
And Toji reacting to Nue's lightning is an outlier considering characters somewhat relative to him are getting blitzee by lightnings
Gah damn
People don’t understand how fast light really is
Man Yall Saying A Bunch Of Bs For Madara.. for naruto scaling period.. madara aint no damn 10x planetary and he said his susano can rival a biju that was just his words and his susano soo saying HE is planetary for that is pure comedy.. saying kaguya is star level is pathetic this is a ridiculous ass video ctfu yall dont need to do anymore vs fr
Kaguya being star- solar system is literal a default baseline the community agrees with . You thinking she’s not is crazy . I go over why he’s 10x planetary . If you have an actual refutation for the arguments on the video then pop off with them
@@BILLYNFUthe community can all be collectively wrong lol this the same community that try to argue light speed kid naruto
@@BILLYNFUalso if you wanna say kaguya is star level for having a sun in one of the dimensions then dagan is too since he has a sun in his domain
@@SosukeTYBW
1) you would also be saying gojo is universal because of his domain if u say dagon is that strong because of things his domain created.
If u give gojo universal scaling this, then let introduce you to tamari who can BLOW AWAY THE UNIVERSE. 💀
2) unlike dagon and gojo who used hax to create their abilities, meaning they dont scale to them, kaguya was planning of using her truth seeking orb, which is actively growing bigger because of her chakra, to essentially nuke her entire dimension.
She was going to nuke it while still being inside it, which gives her star-solar system durability
@@SosukeTYBW
Light speed kid naruto is literally true though 💀
Naruto can only reach light speed when he is amped by kurama
Madara: I’m faster and stronger!
Sukuna: haha, actually no.
*Que Sukuna actively using the air as footholds at less than half his power Night Guy style with arguably just as deadly of a technique…*
He ain’t nowhere near Sukuna didn’t bend space like might guy did Boruto solos sukuna
@@Jamuzu my boi guy needs to bend space to jump off space and Sukuna does that off pure gains😶
@@michaelespinoza2150 but he ain’t near the speed of light guy or the power so shut the fuck up. Bro just copying Sanji lol
Planetary destruction is a literal jutsu that’s used in Naruto, why even compare? Sukuna loses 10x over , madara was damn near planetary and y’all are glazing so hard in this video
So we using name falacies now? Welp world cutting slash cuts the world itself
Yuki’s black hole was planetary, but it does NOT make Kenjaku planetary. He required his gravity technique to counter the black hole, and would not have survived using just his own durability.
As Madara opened his domain "Infinite Tsukuyomi"
Sukuna's Malevolent Shrine began to break as he shrunk back in fear
Madara then uttered the words "stand proud Sukuna, you were strong"
Sukuna is living his dream so how would the tsukuyomi affect him?
Are any of these fight videos close? This is why cross verse battles are so whack.
17:01 bro had pretty much the best abilities in the show at the end
ofc sukuna ain’t winning😭🙏🏾
shi mahoraga ain’t gonna be enough either especially with truth seeking orbs 😭
Finally my pookie is back.
Fair matchup, now compare Madara to Saitama or Goku
He loses all 3 lmao.
@@crazagres1839 Sukuna gets shitstomps by final valley madara lmao🤣💀
They're both GOATED Chad's🗿
The data books are very inconsistent cause like then almost everyone is light speed itach has light speed attack kakashi able to block it u have haku statements A being almost light speed which actually in the raws it says like light speed then u have so6p Naruto barley dodging light speed light pohang which we can see it almost hit him and his ninja headband tie got hit which the feat was calced to be 2.11x ftl so like it’s very inconsistent for these characters at this point of time to be mftl or ftl+
They're not. The Naruto light speed feat is an insane stop gap the verse cannot get passed. It's only contradicted in the databook ever, never in the actual series(there's no hardcore light speed feat besides worthless calcs.) in prior naruto so in that sense it is consistent. Lightspeed is at times used to hype things in the databook however with light fang it does double down, it's not a hyperbole. The Light fang is both made of light and is light speed, and therefor it can be taken seriously there.
@@crazagres1839 lol my argument was that using the light speed statements in the databooks are inconsistent saying light fang is light speed even tho the manga or narration of show doesn’t imply or suggest slthat it’s light speed and seeing the inconsistencies of the Naruto/boruto databooks u have to make sure the manga or the narrative of the show validates the statement
@@Buddha-igneel Light fang is not arguable. It is supported by the manga and the databook doubles down on it twice, it's supported by all existing material besides your personal delusions. The Manga directly says it is a Senjutsu attack which is firing light. The Manga literally says it is light, which is further confirmed in the databooks, but the manga already literally calls it light.
The Databook Explicitly says that it is actual light being fired and then says its light speed as well, which everything in the manga supports.
It's a factual light speed feat, and a complete stopgap on the naruto verse that cannot be overcome.
@@crazagres1839 novels are different continuity and isn’t canon to the main source material which is the manga. I already explained why the Naruto/boruto databooks are not reliable sources and can only be used if the story validates it, u saying the manga supports it without actually bringing up the reason y or how it does, does not prove that it does validate it that’s just circular reasoning. Senjutsu attack can be multiple things but just because it’s a senjutsu doesn’t mean it’s actually light speed or it is light also me the ch where it says it is light in the manga.
U can’t use what’s in question as evidence to support that it’s valid lol 😂
@@Buddha-igneel Who is talking about novels ? I'm talking about the official databooks that were published. I never even brought them up. You good my guy ?
Also, you didn't prove that they were not reliable sources. What you did prove(which I also mentioned personally, and is irrelevant.) that they are not always reliable in a 1-1 sense. Kakashi is famously not actually ominpotent, however throwing out canon material completely because you "don't like it and it disagrees with you." is not how any of this works.
Parts of the databooks we know are inaccurate because it is in Conflict with what's in the manga. It is still an authoritative source, as long as it's not in conflict with the manga, and it's in perfect agreement here, and as such serves as a confirmation of what we saw on the pages. You don't actually get to throw out all canon material in existence agreeing with a conclusion just because you don't like that you're factually wrong lol.
Goku vs composite ywhach when? Also w edit
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I don't know what drugs you're on but JJK characters ain't moving lightspeed, any Kashimo thing you try use isn't gonna work cause his whole thing is lightning/electricity, which are slower than light, yes he can do anything lightning and electricity can do, but that's the thing, LIGHTNING and ELECTRICITY, not light, so those EM things Kashimo does, aren't lightspeed, cause they're not any form of light, and also, JJK characters being lightspeed, means they would be getting decently close to the speed of verses where they would not be able to catch up with in any stat, except with durability, cause strength and defence are two separate things, you can deal insanely high damage while being extremely fragile, but that's not the case for a lot of very popular anime, like: One Piece, Bleach, Dragon Ball, Jujutsu Kaisen, et cetera. and yes it can apply to speed as well, but, JJK characters even the fastest ones, are NOT lightspeed, they are faster or the same speed as lightning, but not light, also, sorry for the semi long comment.