What Harry Potter Got Wrong (And Percy Jackson Got Right): Jamie IsReading Talks Writing
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- In which I talk about character motivations.
One last time, I wanna clarify that I LOVE HARRY POTTER so I'm not bashing it here. I just think that there's one thing that could've been done a bit better.
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I think that this is a great point. I think that throughout the Harry potter series there is a lack of character building and personal stakes etc. In my opinion, the only characters that had ample depth were Hermione, Snape, and Draco. They had very specific skills and very clear reasons for their actions. Ron and Harry on the other hand, had no real skills (lets be honest, both of them just end up getting saved by others or somehow get lucky enough to survive).
I also think that the fact that Harry didn't have to work hard to get to his "skill" level is an important differentiator. Percy was a troubled kid who had to struggle to find friends and fit in with others. He had specific skills that made sense for him to have (water powers and sword fighting). However, Harry just happened to be good at defense against dark arts (and by the end of the series, everyone was good at it too.)
And while I'm at it, I'll address another point. Harry wasn't a nice person. Time and time again he proves himself to be arrogant and entitled. The book talks about his father being arrogant and I think it draws a very clear parallel to harry. He regularly victimized himself and made life hell for the other characters. Percy on the other hand was a friendly character who was funny and relatable. His defining trait was loyalty (something that harry and ron lacked). It made Percy a realistic protagonist who you can sympathize for.
sorry for the rant but I feel like we don't address it often enough. Great video though. I grew up with both series and I do love them both, but harry potter didn't hit the same way Percy Jackson did.
I totally agree with all of the points you made. Like you said, I love both series, but Harry was grating a lot of the time and I ended up liking some of the side characters way more. And don't apologize for the rant! I love reading long comments (even if it takes me a while to respond to them lol). I think looking back, a lot of Harry Potter reads as revolutionary for its time but not fully-developed or thought-out intentionally the way that Percy Jackson is.
That may be one of the reason why those three are some of my favourites (Luna still takes the cake).
I actually dislike Harry as a character because everything is thrown at him and it doesn't feel earned. The sole reason why he was good at DADA earlier than others his age was because the Dementors were at Hogwarts to protect HIM from Sirius Black and of course they came to like feeding off of Harry's traumas. Harry HAD to learn how to protect himself from them, no other student had this issue. Then 2 years later thanks to Harry's DA meetings, like you said, everyone becomes pretty good at DADA, even Neville! Harry is able to resist the Cruciatus Curse because Barty Crouch Jr. disguised himself as Mad Eye SPECIFICALLY to get to Harry had a lesson on the 3 Unforgivable Curses and then practiced on all the students. Harry was also said to be a strong flyer but there were others that were better than him like Victor Krum. He got his flying talents from his father so that's not unique to Harry or earned. Everything Harry is good at is because of his situation as The Boy Who Lived. Once Voldemort was resurrected more Death Eaters tried getting at him so he had to learn how to protect himself. He had to learn how to become a leader. Because of all the Dark Magic attacking him he learned about that and got proficient at casting some jinxes, hexes, and curses.
Percy had to learn how to use his extremely powerful demigod powers, but every time he used them he would get weak and I think he fainted after using them a few times. This held up throughout the whole series except he got more stamina using his powers. He started out as a horrible sword fighter but with help from Annabeth he became really good. He wasn't the smartest or the strongest but he had to work and learn to be good at both.
Harry & Percy have the same fatal flaw, they will do anything for family and friends. The difference here is Hermione & Ron don't convince Harry out of things while Annabeth & Grover do. Percy KNOWS Annabeth is smarter than him so he trusts her way more than Harry trusts Hermione. Percy is also a little less clueless about the Greek mythological world than Harry is to the magical world. I get that both characters represent the reader so we get explanations on things so we can understand them, but over the series Percy gets more knowledgable while Harry DOES NOT!! So frustrating!
um these are good points but i do disagree on that ending bit. first of all, harry has never seemed arrogant to me at least, i think he’s actually a bit more self doubting but maybe i forgot something. secondly, he is extremely loyal to the point where the other side starts to use it against him. finally, when has he ever made other characters miserable? maybe i’m missing something but i seriously can’t think of anything unless it’s a bully like draco or dudley who deserves it. as for the rest of your points i agree but i still love the series!! have a great day!
Sharon R. I agree that it might be a bit far to call Harry arrogant but while Dudley was completely awful to him and did kind of deserve it isn’t it Harry’s job as the protagonist to be better? And with the Draco thing, did Draco really deserve it as much as it makes him seem? Draco was a prick and did some things to make Harry justifiably angry, but by 6th year Harry was OBSESSED with Draco, he had no reason to be, he really didn’t have any proof that he was doing anything and was even spying on him on the train kind of just because he’s a “villain” that always really off put me, and Hermione and Ron were like “mate this is a bit far” but Harry could not stop accusing Draco of things he had no right to accuse him of, like the Katie Bell thing and watching him on the Marauders Map, it was down right CREEPY, yeah he was right that he was plotting something but Draco could just have been being his prick self and not plotting anything and Harry wouldn’t have cared he was so convinced without any evidence. I kinda think that goes for making people miserable and we also see that Draco is already miserable with what he has to do because he’s hecking crying to myrtle in the bathroom and then Harry fights him??? I’m not a big Draco fan by any means but I always thought that Harry was completely out of place and wrong to do that.
Hmm. I never really thought about why but I was always drawn more to PJO than I was to HP. I mean, I read HP once and that was it and it was really really good. But PJO was a different story. I kept coming back to it, you know. No matter how many times I read it I just never get tired of it. I felt like all the characters were special somehow.
That's exactly what I'm talking about here! I think that the focus on their individual characters in the first book really serves the series as a whole going forward.
I can’t really get into the hp books idk why but after the 3rd book I loose interest :/
Same. I got tired of Harry Potter in a month or so but I never got tired of reading PJO and its predecessors (except for HoO, tbh.) It has deep and diverse characters and the balance of humor and seriousness , and its maturity and childishness. Harry Potter is a bit more childish and serious imo. PJO is just right.
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I agree and relate to your experience. I actually never even finished HP because I started reading it to early (my mom read it to me when I was in like 3rd or 2nd grade) or I never caught on to the story or got attached like I did to Percy. When I first read HP I actually wanted to read it and wasn’t able to hold on, when I first read PJO I didn’t actually want to read it in the first place but got so attached and even 5 years later (and like 10 rereads) I still adore it and the characters. Another thing that draws me more to the stories is I know the universe is still expanding even through Rick Riordan finished his last series in the Riordanverse. We are getting a Disney + show and a new solangelo book (not to mention the KC Netflix adaptation).
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Actually, I would like to correct you there. Rick Riordan's books are the best since Magnus Chase and the Kane Chronicles are wonderful books too
But still don't he is awesome tho UwU
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I think you can really see the differences with how people look at the stories after reading them.
For example, with Harry Potter everyone asks about the world building (are there other wizard schools, what kind of jobs do people have, how do things work etc.) which shows how invested people are in the world.
On the other hand, with Percy Jackson, everyone asks about the characters (what happens to them now, do new kids at camp learn about Hercules, Odysseus and Percy? Etc.) which shows how invested people are in the characters.
Yes! For sure!
As a person with dyslexia and ADHD once I learned how to read (which took going to a special school for two years) at the end of 3rd grade I really wanted to read Percy Jackson because I felt I could relate and I ended up loving the series and it got me sucked into reading books and on the other hand I actually hated Harry Potter for a long time (I don’t any more) but there was parts where I just didn’t care for it and stuff and Percy Jackson never made me feel like that. I think at the end of the day Percy Jackson will continue to be my favorite children book, not to mention Percy Jackson has side characters of color and LGBTQ+ characters and more. And Percy Jackson was easier to read as a child and funnier.
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your story! I definitely lean towards Percy Jackson over HP, but maybe that's because I read HP later.
Jamie IsReading I read Harry Potter later too because everyone loved it and it was a good series but I didn’t love it the same way and as someone who is Pansexual I love that Rick introduces them especially in a children’s book
@@lore5751 I... have some thoughts on Rick's later books, but that's a whole other topic. Nevertheless, the fact that his books have such characters is certainly great in the long run!
I've read Harry Potter books and watched all the movies. Currently I'm reading The Lightning Thief and I've finished half of the the book. I just got into Percy Jackson. And honestly speaking, I'm finding it more interesting than all the books in Harry Potter series. Don't get me wrong- I still love Harry Potter. But I think Rick Riordan is a better writer and sometimes I find some chapters to be boring in Harry Potter books.
There also main characters with black skin and who are Lgbtq
I actually think this is a great point. I was never really attached to the main 3 protagonists in Harry Potter, especially in the first book, and I kind of felt defective because I couldn’t for the life of me understand why they were doing what they were doing and often stopped the book to ask why. I love Harry Potter don’t get me wrong! I think the world is amazing and I loved reading it. But I never latched onto to main characters like I do with other books. In Percy Jackson there was never that question of why, I knew why or I learned why, which made them a lot easier for me to read and gave me less questions and made me feel more attached to the characters.
I think that's definitely the point I was trying to make in this video! Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and to share your story!
They do it to uncover the mysteries ..why? Who did it? Why did it?
Exactly
I think that's just because HP is written by an English person (different culture, different humor) and PJO are written more familiarly for the mericans (of course a lot more of us would relate to what they're thinking, their experiences, and the references - mind you hp was written in the late 1990's)
@@user-pt5cl2ro6f Well, I feel the same as the other person and I'm neither from the UK not from the USA, so I don't think it's a cultural thinng
What makes it worse was
Around the same time avatar the last airbender was being made
RICK RIORDAN HAD A CHOICE TO MAKE A DEAL WITH NICKELODEON BUT DECIDED TO GO WITH FOX
AHHHHHHHH
We could've gotten the second greatest animated masterpiece
Aggghhh
wait, did this actually happen? like, do you have a source for this?
@@jackbrown1185 he himself said it during a book presentation
I think it was mark of athena its on youtube
Just because 1 of their shows was good wouldn’t have meant the PJO one would have, I mean I’m pretty sure the only reason Avatar was that good was because of the people working on it, not Nickelodeon.
@@gaberthetater0149 ...that's what I'm saying
Which is why I specified the time when Avatar was being made because the same people would've gotten a good look at it.
And because most of the characterization and plot is phenomenal all they would need to focus on would be animation, and worldbuilding which while rick did well had a bunch of plot holes
Roger Smith no if it’s being made at the same time they definitely wouldn’t have time for a new project.
Percy Jackson should be an animated tv show.
Change my mind
Why would I change your mind? You're totally right.
A Netflix adaptation could work well too but yeah TV is way better since Percy’s adventures are more separated than Harry’s (if that makes sense)
Danger Dane I can’t change your mind. But I can add onto the idea. Uncle Rick/Rick Riordan should organize the show that way the show isn’t like the movies. I WOULD BINGE-WATCH THE SHOW IF IT WAS FAITHFUL TO THE BOOKS.
If this did happen, it would probably release on Disney+, because the books are published by Disney Hyperion, not to mention that Disney+ has that *God awful* movie
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My sister, who is a Potterhead, had no idea why Dumbledore placed Harry at the Dursleys' home, even though they were abusive.
Pilar Cuervo has she read the last two books? Everything gets explained
Honestly... yeah...
I've read the whole series and still low key wonder why, even though it was was explained. I always wonder if there was another way.
And if you think of pjo, Percy give his mom something that KILLS HIS ABUSIVE STEPFATHER where Harry just is there
Well I think she did not read the books...
Also the fact that Luke and Kronos are miles more intimidating as villains. We don’t even get to see Kronos in his full Titan form cause Rick knew that everyone would be fucked if that happened. Kronos name enough makes people shiver worse than Voldemort’s ever could. And it’s also an emotional scar since Luke is someone Percy and Annabeth once called a friend
Yes! that emotional tie was SO important
Kronos is terrifying but you can’t say Voldemort isn’t. They called him “you know who”. You didn’t need to say his name and you knew who it was. And honestly Kronos gets overshadowed by typhon in the last Olympian. Kronos is ignored by all the gods while every god rushes to defeat typhon. Percy Jackson is still far superior though
@@christophermorgan9199 what about Luke?
I’m genuinely interested in hearing you opinion since I think that Luke is a really well written character within the series and very complex. Kronos was good as an antagonist (I agree he was overshadowed a bit once he possessed Luke). But Luke is a bit more interesting imo. His motives make sense but he’s going about them in the worst way, he’s mostly a misguided kid who made a series of horrible choices until he was to deep in, and while knowing he can’t fully be forgiven, he tries to do the right thing in the end.
@@christophermorgan9199 along with the trauma of his childhood being his main frame of reference for how he feels as a teenager/adult, and the fact he lived most of his life on the streets, it’s clear to see how he was manipulated by Kronos so easily
I think what you talk about is really interesting. While personally I do have a small bias towards Percy Jackson (Idk why, I just connected with the series more), I think both books are really well written. I feel like aside from Harry, none of his friends were given deep character backstories and that made them harder to understand; although, like you said, Ron tried to be better than his brothers, he didn't show that to the extent in the books.
Thanks for the great video!
ps. I'm a Ravenclaw too and I seriously cannot find any merchandise for Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw, so HOW are you so lucky (but I don't live in America so I guess that explains it)
I do think that (like other people have pointed out) the books had different points, but I always gravitate towards strong characters and character relationships more than anything. Also, I'm sorry to hear you can't find any HP merch! I'd recommend looking on Etsy or maybe some second hand sites! A lot of places ship internationally.
Well Rowling did give backstory to characters who have lived long enough to have them.... The thing is that in percy Jackson all demigods are raised by single parents, have adhd and are chased by monsters that's why most kids have tragic backstories but the wizarding world is living a normal life for 11 years or so thus most kids don't have complicated backstories...
Wizard Hitler: best analogy ever 😂
But agreed, as soon as you mentioned personal motivation I knew exactly what you meant
Yeah, like I said in the video, I love both series, but I wish JK Rowling had found a way to tie Harry and his friends to the situation :/. Thank you so much for watching!
The one dislike is from JK Rowling herself
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And the other transphobes (:
How the he'll is JJk a transphobe.
Or are you guys just dumb and take what you hear or see online as facts or gossple.
Grow up and have a mind of your own.
i think it’s reasonable, cause ron harry and hermione got into this whole situation by accident. annabeth percy and grover knew what they were signing up for and had a choice
That's completely fair! However, I still think that a better explanation as to why Hermoine and Ron stuck with the journey, even if it was by accident, would have made them strong characters. I don't personally feel that friendship is the best justification, though it is one that works. That's a subjective position though!
I kinda felt like Ron Harry and Hermione's friendship felt very forced. Like their relationship felt kinda forced just for the sake of plot, where ass Riordan managed to write really smooth chemistry between not just Percy Annabeth and Grover, but all his side characters.
Harry was kinda meddling in things that wasn't his business to meddle in, at least that's the impression I got in book 1. It wasn't accidental to the extent that he chose to go after the stone. He chose to find out more about Nicholas Flamel whom Hagrid accidentally revealed to them.
i mean not really the first book literally starts with percy saying 'look i didn't want to be a half-blood' 😭
more seriously tho, considering luke's arc, percy/annabeth were always going to be involved regardless, and grover bec of his tie with percy. so not really
I envy the fact that your books are all the same height. Even in the Heroes of Olympus series my Blood of Olympus towers the other four. Sad.
Omg rip. That's super sad :(
My Lost Hero and Son of Neptune are so small next to the other 3 xD
@@vishhalrajesh17 good to see an indian bro did you like percy more than hp ?
@@kaneabd1217 I did. Everyone around me overhyped Harry potter so I kinda hated it (I did eventually like Harry potter) but yeah I had a rebel phase and read Percy Jackson and fell in love with it.
@@vishhalrajesh17 good to know bro I tooo like hp but i like percy jackson more
I think a lot of what bothers me whenever I reread Harry Potter (which I do love-great series) is that I always felt like the characters where purposefully putting themselves in dangerous situations that they just didn't need to be a part of. Maybe Harry was slightly connecting, but Ron and Hermione just had no reason to get involved. Part of what's great about the Percy Jackson series is (like you said) that the characters actually have reasons why they got involved in whatever suicidal mission they're on.
Yes, exactly! And it keep going like that throughout the whole series!
TLT - Percy wants his mom, Grover wants a searcher's license, Annabeth wants to prove herself
SoM - Clarisse wants to make her dad proud, Percy wants to save Grover, Annabeth promised to protect Percy, and Percy wants Tyson to come because nobody likes him
TTC - Zoe wants to save Artemis, Percy wants to save Annabeth, Zoe wants Bianca along to prove herself, Grover is kinda just there for Artemis, and Thalia I really don't know
BotL - Annabeth wants to lead a quest and save camp as well as Luke, Percy wants to help Annabeth, Grover wants to find Pan, and they want Tyson because IDK
TLO - Everyone fights to win
TSS - The golden trio is nosy
TCoS - Hermione IDK, Harry and Ron want to save the school and Ginny
TPoA - They all want to save Sirius and Buckbeak
TGoF - They all just want to have a normal year
TOotF - They want to stop Voldemort and be nosy
THBP - Keep the school safe
TDH - Defeat Voldemort
Harry Potter has the same reaccuring theme of the nosy trio finding something out and wanting to do something about it, or just defeating Voldemort
Percy Jackson has different reasons for every character every single book
@theSML one ya, and there's absolutely no reason that Harry, Ron, and Hermione are investigating the chamber more than any other student at Hogwarts.
@@exwhyzgaming8996 And be NOSY, seriously that's the dumbest thing I've ever hear, and trust me I've heard lots of dumb things *cough Umbridge cough*.
TPS- Harry's selfless and Ron and Hermione are loyal friends
TCoS- Hermione is in the hospital wing, Harry has a saviour complex and Ron wants to save his sister
TPoA- They all Do want to save Sirius and Buckbeak
TGoF- Harry gets dragged into the situation
TOotF- Harry wants to save Sirius and his friends came with him
THBP- Harry looks for horcruxes with Dumbledore and his friends help save the school
TDH- Defeat Voldemort
I really love Percy Jackson's writing style. I am a potterhead too but if you notice carefully, reading Percy Jackson is more interesting and entertaining... Harry Potter's writing style is more complex and formal while Percy Jackson is sarcastic and informal. Like, Percy is literally about to die but he keeps making sarcastic comments. This is one of the many things I love about Percy Jackson.
Well I have read both of them and when I first read Harry Potter I found myself wanting to read it again but could read only till the 4th part as after that there is continuous darkness in the whole series and sometimes it is baseless and to come to think of there deaths did not even affect that much. When Dumbledore died ( sorry for the spoiler) I just got relieved somehow because I had started think of him as the one who was spoiling them. Somehow all the deaths in Hp didn't affect us or somehow just made it darker and boring. In Percy Jackson every single person has been giving a personal life from which they have build up there character. It can be Percy Jackson or Clarisse. Nor do the deaths in the series become meaningless. Every person who died in PJO and HOO has made me cry. From Bob and Damasen to Charles Beckendrof and Silena. All of them somehow support Percy and make the story lighter and more relatable.
Although Harry was my first favourite book character Percy Jackson won in the competition.
Yes! Totally agreed! That was kind of my point when I was talking about developing character here. Riordan focused a lot on character and it really paid off, whereas Rowling seemed to pay more attention to the lore and world building aspect.
Oh I liked all the characters dying. I don't cry when characters die but I got extremely sad when they died in Harry Potter, but then again I did only know Beckendorf and Silena existed for 2 books so I didn't really feel that bad for them
@@cringeygachakidthatalsodoe7154 eh. To be honest, I expected most of the characters to die but Silena? plot twist. Also cause she worked for Kronos
i think percy jackson/ riordan-verse is a lot more diverse than harry potter as well. i do think hp has a more complex and beautiful setting *but pjo has much better characters/development.
I'd totally agree!
Jamie IsReading plus i make way more pjo OCs lmao
Plus there is much more room for the reader, you don’t have to pick between four houses in Percy Jackson, you have all the cabins and then later on you have even more options. There is more place for us as we read
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that's true
Take into account how the world is connected with other Riordan series such as Magnus Chase and Kane Chronicles! Its Diverse AF!
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Also without personal stakes in Percy Jackson it wouldn’t make sense also since the gods don’t care all that much for their children and Percy didn’t like his father in the 1st book (I think)
I mean, the world could potentially end, but I totally agree! Personal stakes ftw
why are most of the comments in the comment section novels or chapters long? it all can be said in one sentence.
Persasseus Jackson is better and Rick Riordan is a more kid-friendly writer.
If you disagree, i dont care. If you wanna attack me, just know i have a blue plastic hairbrush, a brick and the whole series at the ready in case you decide to kill me.
I love both series, but to each their own!
oli di angelo honestly, it’s been a while since I’ve read the books, but I heard Percy’s sass in that comment. I salute you.
@@rosalindhoffman6175 thanks Rosalind, maybe we can fight all the Harry Potter merchandise together :3
oli di angelo hell yeah, I got my Athena cabin camp half blood shirt, Annabeth’s bead necklace, and my childhood nostalgia!
@Rosalind Hoffman idon’t cuz my mom hasn’t got it yet..... plus its almost 7 months from my birthday.......anyway. at-least i have a blue plastic hairbrush!
AHH THIS IS WHAT I ALWAYS SAY !! *THIS* is why Percy Jackson will always be extra special for me. The characters were so real, relatable, and lovable - you really, truly cared about them. I read both as a kid and all these years later, I'm still a PJO girl at heart because the characters made such an imprint on me. They had issues I had (like ADHD), they had low self-esteem that they worked on with the help of friends, they each had their own story, their deep desires, their fears. With Harry Potter it was the world I fell in love with, not so much the characters. With Percy Jackson the world was cool asf, but I actually felt like I could be friends with them-Percy was an amazing protagonist who makes mistakes, is self-deprecating, makes silly jokes, is kind and loyal [to a fault, even] which overall makes him SO likeable, you just want to join the books and be friends with him. Characters have always been the most important part of a story for me, so HP never quite hit as hard as amazing as the world was.
This is one of the main reasons why I hold the unpopular opinion that Percy Jackson is the better series. Other things include how the characters develop, villains, and meaning in the story.
I understend the point of view, but one of the reasons Harry Potter is so amazing to me is that they are not caring about the big issue most of the time and we can accuatully see them exploring this new and interesting world because the lack of this bond and we as readers can just enjoy Hogwarts with them and feel cozy I guess
That's a totally fair way to look at the books! I think I should have made it clearer that the books to strive for different things. I think, personally, I prefer strong character dynamics over a strong setting. To each their own!
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I just want to add to the fact that annabeth didn't just want prove herself but to be known more than the stereotype that all blonds are ignorant. But other than that your commentary was great.(:
ohmygosh your BOOKSHELF!!! it is so awesome.
Thanks so much! I miss it :(
*IN MY OPINION* Rick's books have much darker stories, sass, humour that slaps, and a much more enjoyable writing style. I enjoy his books so much more. However, I must admit that JK has a much more interesting and whimsical world.
I agree with you, personally, but to each their own!
Oh I found HP a lot funnier than PJO lol, or HOO because for some reason I hated the characters Leo, Piper, And Jason
Rick is better at doing character while jk is better at world building. That’s why imo Percy Jackson books are way more rereadable than Harry Potter. When you know all ab hogwarts and voldemort and all these things about the deathly hallows Harry Potter becomes less interesting as the characters are not deep compared to the characters in Percy Jackson. The humor is not as good and its too plot based while Rick does a better job at developing characters
@@cringeygachakidthatalsodoe7154 piper and Jason are really boring but I love Leo hazel and frank. They add a new development too pjo
Thank you someone poel say harry potter darker. But 12 years old Percy is nearly mured by his own role models.
Ik this sounds a little weird, but I like it when they are descended from power. Like children of the gods. But with HP it just ended up something like the KC, magicians,wizards, witches etc. Then they are just magical families. They have to learn spells, cast magic etc. Where in PJO, they are already trained to be heroes, because they have power within them.
That's fair! I think it's cool that no matter where their powers come from, they still need to train up!
Harry Potter & the Philosopher Stone: Harry wants to stop SNAPE. He doesn't realize it's Quirrell until the very end when they are in the final chamber where the Mirror of Erised was. Throughout the whole book Quirrell doesn't confront Harry in person until the very end, he tries to kill him behind the scenes. Voldemort is NOT a threat in this book. This "quest" is not a quest at all, because no one chooses Harry to retrieve the Stone and keep it away from Snape (Quirrell). Harry & Co takes it upon themselves to get the Stone.
Percy Jackson and the Lightning Thief: Another gigantic reason why Percy goes on this quest and not other demigods is HIS FATHER IS POSEIDON! Also Hades appears in Camp Half-Blood and calls Percy out. So in order to stop a war between his Dad and his Uncle Percy is going on this quest to clear his name AND get his Mom back from Hades. Annabeth forces Percy to take her with him and Grover is Percy's protector so he feels like he has to go so he can protect Percy. I believe Grover also used the excuse of looking for Pan.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I dont remember Hades ever appearing in Camp Half-Blood and calling Percy out.
@@daniellem1142 No, you are right. I'm remembering things wrong. Hades abducted Sally when his Minotaur attacked Percy & Sally at the edge of the Camp.
You’re quoting the movie, not the book. In the book, Hades never shows up in camp. In the book, Annabeth never force Percy to let him take her. They are assigned a quest and Annabeth volunteers, which Percy is happy about, and he even asks Grover to come himself.
@@cassecorrea Yeah you are right. I need to read this series again so I can get all the crappy movie things out of my memory.
they all think hades sent the hellhound but that turned out to be luke
PJO is great but I think I’ll always like HP more, a big chunk would probably be because it was my first love and holds a lot of nostalgia and memories for me since I read it as a kid ( there’s also the fact it’s a super big pop culture icon and has iconic movies and a whole amusement park which subconsciously hypes you up in general) but I always felt more immersed in the world, it felt more whimsical and the story just spoke to me a lot more.
PJO I unfortunately ended up reading way later during college ( I think if I read it earlier I would have a lot more emotional attachment and regret I didn’t but oh well I’m glad I read it now)
I think there’s also the layer of PJO being more of a kids book compared to HP, both series are aimed at kids and get darker as they go on but PJO maintains that humour and childish whimsy throughout while HP kinda matured with its audience ( so at that point it kinda boils down to your preference)
Also, as a 20 something reading PJO for the first time , some of the writing and the execution felt a little too quick paced and some of the scenes felt very “monster of the week” sometimes it felt like things were happening one after the other rather than flowing together naturally or having time to settle on emotional parts but I don’t think it’s really an objective flaw, I’m just looking at it through the eyes of an adult with a writers perspective rather than a kid lol
Honestly if Percy Jackson was written as long as Harry Potter books It would’ve been better. But it does not keep the childish stuff in the 4th and 5th book and heroes of Olympus. There’s not many humorous moments. It’s bits and pieces. But the monsters were just minor obstacles to the big picture so “monster of the week” doesn’t really matter.
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Thanks so much! Hopefully back with consistency but I guess one never knows :(
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I agree. great point right here. There are a lot of reasons I prefer Percy Jackson and the Olympians to Harry Potter but I think my main focus here are the friendships. Percy is a natural character that I think a lot of people can relate to and if it's not him, then it's maybe Annabeth or Grover or someone. Rick Riordan crafted even the side characters perfectly. They were all essential to Percy's character growth. Come to Harry Potter, I don't hate the book, trust me, it's one of my favorites. But I honestly didn't feel like I could relate to Harry at some point. I mean, we all love our friends right? We would do anything for them right? And if someone hurt them, we would go LOCO on then and make them pay right? I didn't feel that in Harry Potter. Time and Time again we see Harry treating his friends sort of poorly. I recall in the Order of the Phoenix when I think I witnessed Harry's most annoying side. Do I even need to count the number of times he yelled at Hermione and Ron? He victimized himself a lot in this book and it just put me off because I honestly did not see a valid reason for him to feel entitled and victimized and super angry at everyone. I personally didn't feel the undying friendship of "The Golden Trio" as everyone calls them compared to "The Original Trio" in Percy Jackson. Percy's friendship with Annabeth and Grover.... *sigh* I feel heartbroken that I even need to explain this. Throughout the series, we feel the wonderful friendship with Annabeth, Grover and Percy. We feel how important these characters are to Percy. And just like I said earlier, all the side characters in PJO were really essential which I feel we didn't get in HP because the side characters there were just..... Side characters. I mean, compare the roles that Charles Beckendorf or Silena or Clarisse played in PJO to those of Dean and Seamus and Lavender... I think you can see the difference.
Sorry for ranting, I just get carried away a lot.
:) I love Silena but I wish I knew her backstory. Rick should really create a special edition book in the point of view of Silena; preferably the time before Camp Half Blood (Unless she had a normal life) or when Luke turned her into a spy. It's really sad she died.
So true Harry feels kind of shallow once I reread. When you ignore the whole Voldemort plot and just look at the characters objectively they’re levels below Pjo. Every character plays a part which is amazing
Percy Jackson is the best ...sadly they ruined his movie ,
But maybe we'll have a nice tv show
Here's to hoping!
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not to mention Harry got real lucky cause once you think about what Dumbledore said about how only someone who wants to find the stone but doesn't want to use it can find it mean if harry never went to stop Quirrell Quirrell would have still be looking for the stone for years and if he had just used the killing curse Voldermort would have had the stone and nothing could have stopped him
Since's Harry's a Horcrux if Quirrel had used the killling curse voldemort would also die, when Voldemort tried to kill Harry in the forest, he dint realize that he was killing his own horcrux and in return would affect his soul. On the other hand, Harry did not defend himself. But he had the deathly hallows with him - the magic wand, the resurrection stone and the invisibility cloak. Remember, the owner of the deathly hallows is said to be the master of death. The true master accepts that the death is inevitable and there are worse things than death[1], which Harry did. He did not defend himself which showed that he was not scared of his death. He was worried about the people he cared about.
Being the true master of death, it was his choice to decide whether he wants to accept death or not. He had unanswered questions which only Dumbledore can answer. So we can say that, he might have used his resurrection stone to resurrect Dumbledore from death and then we know what happened at the King's Cross. Dumbledore and Harry discussed what options he had - either go back or move on by catching the train [2]. And that shows that it was Harry's choice in the end. And he chose to come back and finish it for the good. In other words, Harry mastered the three hallows and acceptance of inevitability, which no other wizard was able to do. Dumbledore came close to mastering all three hallows but not at the same time. Only Ignotus Peverell mastered a deathly hallow and acceptance of inevitability. Harry didn't even know about the Deathly Hallows when he was 11.
this video brings up such a good point in connecting with characters and books. personal stakes give a great human aspect and logical reason to going on a quest. 👏🏼👏🏼 i applaud you fellow ravenclaw sister.
We are Also a lot more represented in percy Jackson:
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Annabeth-Problems at home/rubbing away,
Percy-dyslixia and a bad stepfather
Nico-gay
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Label this with a spoiler alert please!
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in mcga, Alex is gender- fluid, hearth is deaf, samirah is Muslim, etc
Lilu Libelula Magnus Chase should be the official book of the Pride movement (and all related to it) at this point. I can’t name a single character that isn’t defined by a disorder, ethnicity, religion, etc., in that book. Like damn, Uncle Rick is awesome on that front.
Rosalind Hoffman ikr and they're all nicely represented, like they have other traits besides the lgbtq+/POC, etc
You also forgot that no one in the camp knew about the lightning blot getting stolen and the upcoming war even Annabeth was also a little clueless. Plus Annabeth and Grover were the only campers who were good to him. Percy had to choose who goes on the quest and Percy was default as he had to prove his innocence (and save his mother). Grover was coming as a best friend and protector reasons and Annabeth literally asked him so he just said yes. So that is just a motive enough I think.
It’s kinda like , Harry Potter for the world building and Percy Jackson for character development.
Each series has their own pros and cons
Imo Percy Jackson's characters are better, while Harry Potter's world is really complex
I agree with you completely and this is one of the reasons why I cannot love the first 2 books and some parts of the third book as much as I love the others, but from the fourth book, things do make sense. Harry has to take part in the tri wizard tournament and there I no way he can escape it, in the fifth book, he has to save his godfather, and in the sixth book, he already knows he is the chosen one and that he cannot turn back. So in the first 2-3 books, he is running into trouble for absolutely no reason while from the 4th book, trouble finds him
Beyond trying to redeem himself, it’s worth noting that Grover was also on this quest to get his searchers license to go on a quest to look for Pan, the nature god, who had gone missing. In order to be authorized to go on this quest, he had to first prove he was worthy by successfully protecting Percy and Annabeth on their quest.
How come Harry Potter had more books and overall pages than Percy Jackson, yet we are so much more attached to the PJO characters than HP? I love both series dearly, but I can’t help but wonder about this
i read HP once after one chapter i stop, but in PJO i been drawn into the books, percy will do anything to his family/friends, and make me wanna know how did he do it? did he make it now im waiting to toa tower of nero
I'm so far behind in the series tbh but I'm really anticipating a binge read!
I'm quite late to this video but I'm still gonna put my two cents. I agree with you 100% you made a lot of great points. I think the biggest problem (for me personally) with HP is that he's not really relatable like Percy is. Harry is adored by everyone in the Wizarding World and has a huge amount of people who are willing to die for him. He also has no specific talent other than he is good at catching the snitch. Don't get me wrong I love the world and the story is really good but I just don't feel connected to basically any of the characters. Where as Percy, he's a troubled kid who a bunch of people hate. He gets bullied and has ADHD and dyslexia and he has to learn how to get through his complicated life. His character is something so many kids can relate to. His lack of self confidence and doubt in if he's making the right decisions are also extremely relatable. I just think that HP is really good with the whole world and the story is also quite good, but it's hard to get connected. And PJ also has a pretty cool world with a good story and amazing characters.
Yeah I definitely felt the "chosen one" treatment more in HP whereas in PJO, Percy wasn't even the one who stole the lightning bolt in the prophecy! PJO does a great job of balancing moral complexity without it feeling like a constant battle between black to white, the duality can simply exist in one person like how it does in real life. Exploring the individual struggles each characters had made them much more nuanced in a way as well e.g. Luke betrayal hit hard but I automatically understood why he did what he did and felt devastated by his ending and that's only because they framed his character in a way that was realistic rather than trope-ish/just for the sake of garnering sympathy.
@@Nice-sz4ee Totally agree! I always had a harder time reading HP specifically for those reasons.
Harry is adored by everyone? Did you read chamber of secrets or order of the phoenix or any of the books? Percy is frankly more loved by camp half-blood than Harry is by Hogwarts
@@John-xr9ry Yes I did read all of the books. I just edited my comment because I didn't mean everyone, I meant majority. It's just my opinion though and I understand other may disagree or see it differently.
@@Anna-jt6el, hey, if you don’t feel that connected to Harry, that’s fine but saying he’s adored by everyone in the wizarding world when there are so many points in the story where people shit on him, it kind of disregards your opinion in a way since you’re saying stuff about a character that’s not true but it is an opinion at the end of the day
There should be a tv show of PJO, each book could be like 3 episodes or something.
Heroes Of Olympus could be another show
And then trials of apollo
They're making it into a TV show! Rick's overseeing it!
@@JamieIsReading where is it streaming on?
@@droptimistic Disney+, and I don’t have it😢
The fact that you have to preempt and repetitively say that you enjoyed the Harry Potter books proves that there is a toxic fanbase of Harry Potter readers. Of course all fanbases have the capacity to be toxic and overly enjoy something to the extreme of being offended because of someone else disliking it. Percy jackson has toxic fans but since we pale in comparison to the fanbase of Harry Potter (because of the movies but more on that later) we pale in comparison to their toxicity, as of course the more fans you have the higher the chances of having a rabid fanbase. It just feels weird that people can make the same video vice versa without the preemptive explanation of liking percy jackson and not get nearly the same hate as a percy jackson fan would get even with the warning. Honestly I dont think this would be an issue if the movies didnt suck and misrepresent what percy jackson is.
Edit: sorry for the essay please feel no obligation to read it I just wanted to give my take on the Harry Potter vs percy jackson debate
haha no problem! I can see where you're coming from, but I personally preempt all my videos where I talk negatively at all about a book with this kind of disclaimer!
I felt it was just a nice preface, and helps so PJO fans don’t use it as “proof” that PJO is better than HP, you can enjoy both and still criticize specific weaknesses (tho PJO is still the best imho 👀👌👌)
I've seen a lot of toxic Annabeth stans
from my experience, both fandoms are equally toxic.
One thing that bothers me a lot in Riordan's books is how unaffected the characters are by all the traumatizing stuff they go through. I get they are children books but after so many years and series the light tone just feels wrong to me. Just giving everyone a girlfriend/boyfriend doesn't make the story more mature. It's not a coincidence that Nico, Leo and Reyna are fan favourites, they are the only ones that show how mentally affected they are by everything. In this point I think Harry Potter does a better job, we actually feel how much the pressure gets to Harry.
You’re the first person I saw calling Reyna a fan favorite. Nico and Leo yes, but not Reyna. She’s my absolute favorite Rick Riordan character, so I have to thank you for that.
I think it has a lot to do that they are children. They’re stronger than you’d normally give them credit. I know by the end of blood of Olympus Percy & Annabeth should NOT be completely okay. Rick did give them a grey streak after lifting the sky but by the next book BOOM. They are a ok. The light tone can be a good change of pace. Also Leo and Percy together is the best comedic duo. Leo himself is just great. Ohhh Leo
How can you even say their unaffected? Percy is mentally affected too, and just because he doesn't whine about it all the time doesn't mean he isn't affected. When Percy and Annabeth fell into the river Cocytus, Percy was ready to give up, as is Annabeth. This also shows when they approach the river Acheron, and Annabeth thinks all the deaths in PJO is her fault. Rick Riordan didn't give them a boyfriend/girlfriend to feel mature, he gave them a boyfriend/girlfriend so they have a reason to keep going, to live.
Yeah
@@cynthiatian3415 Well it’s really just me nitpicking the last book. Yeah Percy is affected but I wanted to read the Aftermath with Percy and Annabeth but we don’t get it in the Blood of Olympus. It’s not until we get to the Trials of Apollo that we see how much Percy is affected. He decided to focus on himself and Annabeth. I suppose I’m being too harsh I know
I liked your perspective on this. I will take this into consideration whenever I will write something. 😊
But it was all three big gods not only zeus and poseidon. As the book is centralised on one god really which was hades. Hades took his mom, hades sent his furies three times they started on the quest because they thought hades stole the lightning bolt and also it was mostly because of hades. Also hades helm of darkness was stolen
This is totally a fair stance! I still think that Poseidon and Zeus were the most important dynamic, especially at the beginning, just because it was the constant threat of war between them that threatened the world. The reader didn't get a sense of what Hades was planning to do until much later.
So in the first book hades was the most important. Actually
❗ALL OF THINGS ARE WRITTEN IN THIS COMMENT ARE MY OPINIONS AND ITS FROM MY POV. NO HATE FOR THE VIDEO, CONTENT CREATOR AND CHARACTERS/BOOKS. ❗
In my P.O.V. The Golden Trio HAD REASONS to protect the stone. According to the prophecy, Harry was the only one who could defeat Voldemort, so Dumbledore wanted to prepare him for this. Because in the future, when Voldemort regained his power, they would have lost the war if Harry had not been prepared. After all, why would Dumbledore and other professors put up barriers that freshmen can get through? Ron, on the other hand, grew up with siblings who beat him at everything (except chess) and always wanted to prove himself (even seeing that he was better off than his siblings in Mirror of Erised, which was his greatest wish). And lastly Hermione wanted to prove that she could be a good witch even she was Muggle-born. Also, the Trio's friendships and loyalty to each other (and perhaps they all thought Snape would steal the stone) had held them together in this mission. It may seem trivial at first glance, but when the natures, personalities, experiences and backstories of the characters are taken into account, it turns out that these are bigger reasons.
I think that Jkr made Harry Potter more connected, like there were complicated reasons to why this happened, and that happened, as Percy Jackson just scrapes the surface. In Harry Potter, everything sorta of seems to string together in a sort of way that Percy Jackson can't meet.
@Dio i know right? Its like ahrry suddenly decides ginny is hot XD
I totally agree
I have to disagree. I think Harry potter is great and might be better than Percy Jackson on the first read however, it’s impossible to reread Harry potter imo. Once you know the betrayls and secrets of hogwarts and Harry it’s so boring. I think Percy Jackson is just a better main character than Harry Potter he gets more development and he learns more. And the side characters in Percy Jackson are better. Annabeth and Percy’s relationship is also done way better than Harry and Ginny
So, here's the thing for me. I'm a Harry Potter over Percy Jackson person. Why? I'm not entirely sure. They should fall under the same level of nostalgia for me, because I read them for the first time literally one right after the other. I remember loving them both, along with the third series that I read in that same time frame (more on that in a sec). All three were fantasy series focusing on a teenage boy learning to use his powers and form friendships in a completely new situation. However, while the plot of HP stuck in my mind like superglue, PJO just... didn't. If you were to ask me about plot elements of HP 5 years later, I could still prattle on and on about them, but with PJO I just forgot almost everything. I even forgot so much that I eventually decided to reread them about 2 years ago (read them the first time about 10 years ago for reference). And I still really enjoyed them. But now, another 2 years later, the memory is fading fast again.
So, disclaimer, there is a little lot of unfairness there, because I also love the HP movies, and I watch them often, which is very much a plot refresher. Therefore, I decided to try comparing PJO instead to a fairer opponent. The third series I mentioned earlier. The Inheritance Cycle, better known as Eragon. Now, I haven't reread Eragon since the first time 10 years ago, and the only movie it has is a disaster of a film that is objectively worse than the PJO one (fight me). And, though slightly muddled, I remember so much of the series clear as day. I actually remember a series I read 10 years ago as well as one I reread 2 years ago. That really sealed it for me. What is it about PJO that makes its story so ephemeral to me? I still can't seem to answer that. So many people provide such convincing arguments for why PJO is just better than HP and yet... It doesn't stick. Maybe it's simply a personal thing of my preference for high fantasy, but then, why did the Lunar Chronicles stick hard? The Hunger Games? The Outsiders? Even the Stung duology, flawed as it was, has stuck harder than PJO.
I guess all that is to say that while people are constantly making amazing arguments for why PJO is superior to HP that I should wholeheartedly agree with, I find that for some reason I cannot come to the same conclusion. At any rate, that was a long-winded rant, and I don't know why I decided to make it. Maybe I'm just hoping that somebody has experienced the same effect and can better articulate why.
And, as a final note, despite my first assertion, if someone were to randomly ask me "HP or PJO?" and I gave my most genuine response? Eragon.
Because, boy, do I love me some beautiful Tolkien-esque fantasy with a side of incredible magic systems.
Harry potter is my childhood and I just recently read the Percy Jackson series and I have to say in my opinion Percy Jackson is the better series overall
The character development is way better in Percy Jackson. Which makes it really easy to reread while Harry Potters only motive is to save the world while percy Jackson has so many personal aspects aswell as saving the world.
@@christophermorgan9199 yes, I absolutely agree
Dislikes are from Harry Potter fans who know that Percy Jackson is better but they won’t admit it.
You realize that's an opinion, it's not a fact.
Bro why are people like you such ass holes like stfu? Both are great
Good point. Percy’s series kind of possible and more have good storytelling
I completely agree.
Thanks!!
Who doesnt know Percy Jackson? Come on
Sadly, a lot of people :(
my family and maybe like half of my grade
@@JamieIsReading Darn, PJO and the other Riordan books are illegally underrated.
@@shmkyuri most people I know have heard of them lol. Oh wait that was 6 months ago
omg i noticed you have fangirl and scythe on your bookshelf! I just finished scythe and I loved it, and fangirl is in my tbr1
I’m a fan of both but before I read the books for Harry Potter I’ve seen all the movies so that kinda took away some mystery but not all but even though Harry potter was my first I’ve always been more drawn to the world and characters I mean most books I ended sad shocked or already starting the next the biggest example being the titans curse and the lost hero spoilers ahead I was dumbfounded when I heard the lines of percy lost his memory and I was processing that Bianca and nico were technically cousins to Percy
the fact that she said voldy is wizard hitler and i seem to agree
i'm a bit late but i agree with everything you said. and, just to put it simple, my favorite character in hp isn't one of the 3 protagonists, it's snape; in the other end percy is my favorite pj character. this proves in a simple way how i feel about these series. (maybe it's also because pj is in first person?)
I think the lgbt plus characters are much better in Percy Jackson I think that they normalize it really well
Agreed! I wish there were more in Harry Potter
@@JamieIsReading have you read all the books in your shelf? just asking
Yes and Rick includes it in his books instead of posting it on twitter 20 years later and then saying somethign that's totally transphobic
I feel like J.K. was better at making backstories for Neutral characters/villains compared to the good guys.
... I can completely understand about the neutral characters (its frustrating that I don't know more about some of my favorite characters) but the villains, like Luke, have really interesting backstories.
Huh she hardly even did anything with the characters who she gave backstories 😂
Harry has personality apart from being the boy who lived.....remember what he did for Dobby?What other reason should Ron and Hermione have for coming apart from their loyalty for Harry?
I love both books but I don't know I just feel the need to defend Harry.But Percy was definetly my first love☺
I feel like Hermoine and Ron could have had their separate reasons. I think maybe playing up Ron's desire to make a name for himself apart from his siblings should have been cool! And something similar for Hermoine would have been nice. I personally don't like when side characters exist solely to be supports for the main characters. Additionally, I don't feel like Harry's reasons for unravelling the mystery in the first book come from a place much deep ethan curiosity. Generally, you want characters to have an outward motivation, but something even deeper and more personal driving them.
I just enjoy harry Potter because it is the first book trilogy I ever read
But Percy Jackson is very good thougj
Trilogy? There's 7 HP books
@@jhp999jhp I know but I don't know what to call a seven book series
Trilogy is just shorter
@@aiswaryabiswal1365 hahah me neither. Septology maybe
@@jhp999jhp hmm I think so
Honestly, what I like more about Percy Jackson is that the prophecies are hard true, no if’s, and’s, or but’s about them. Harry Potter’s prophecy doesn’t matter and serves no purpose other than to give a halfhearted reason for Harry to be on the frontline rather than use him as bait so 10 of the strongest witches and wizards can body Voldemort. I say halfhearted because the prophecy doesn’t even come true in the end. Voldemort loses cause he forgot a tiny piece of wand lore. He lose because of the lack of a fact on a topic that not even the experts fully understand. That was information, not power.
The prophecies in all of Uncle Rick’s books mean something and have to happen, thus making them important. They are also vague to the end where, when they are revealed, make so much sense that you slap your forehead like “duh, how did I not get that?”
Ultimately, Harry Potter would have been far better if the mysterious power Harry supposedly had was wandless magic. Throughout the entire series we here how important wands are, but Harry has also shown off purposeful wandless magic (bursting open the door to his stuff 3rd year, lighting his wand without touching it 5th year). It would have been so much cooler to have Harry stop using a wand and it would fit with a theme of overcoming laziness. Harry could have come into the world overworked and constantly on the lookout for his relatives and first learn just to be able to relax in a world that can do anything with a flick of a stick. As time goes on he becomes less and less lazy as he needs to survive the Tournament (1st-4th). With the return of Voldemort, Harry starts to train for his limits rather than the minimum. I’d expect around here for him to start teaching himself wandless magic given how close he was to getting his soul sucked. By the time the final fight would come around, he would have spent 3 years learning this magic in secrecy, so when the time comes he beats Voldemort in a duel, wand vs wandless
(I got carried away didn’t I? Oops)
I like both but Harry Potter left something that makes me never forget it and I feel like just the build up of the 3 friends make me happy and I just love the interpretation of the movie from the book and I just overall prefer Harry Potter
While I personally enjoy Harry Potter more, (it could be because even when I was a kid reading it I just didn't find the humor all that funny, plus I like long book series more than kind of short ones) you made agreat point
Obviously, I love both of the books, but being honest I loved HP movies more than the books and I loved it soooo much. I had heard about Percy Jackson's movies but no one suggested me to see movies instead they were telling me to read the books and most of the fans loved PJ books and not the movies, I love both but Percy Jackson is just something else, I can sacrifice my sleep for days but I'll never stop reading them, now I've finished PJ and Heroes of Olympus books and now I'm waiting for my mind to forget everything and read Percy Jackson from the starting again and again, Percy Jackson is just filled with everything, I can never stop reading PJ
I think the reason I like Harry Potter more is 1. I didn't really like the Riordanverse humor. 2. I like long book series more. 3. I prefer setting to character development
Wait... didn't the final thing, the mirror of (i don't remember the name) in the first HP book only give the stone to those with a pure heart? So essentially, Harry is completely unnecessary in his first book? Could just have been a movie thing though.
I would recommend the Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson. Those are some of my favorites.
I see your point but the fact that Ron and Hermione don't have any personal stakes in the matter shows that they were Harry's TRUE friends but in PJO the characters were in the quest for their personal reasons and not for the sake of friendship.
Sonia Miru Hansdah I agree but at the same time in both books there wasn’t enough time to form a proper friendship, Ron and Hermione tagged along for no reason. And in the PJO books Grover and Annabeth came along and throughout the story their friendship grew. (I’m not entirely sure if this is correct I haven’t read HP or PJO books in a while)
While that is the case, agree with Hi I'm a Human that there wasn't necessarily enough time for them to form a friendship as close as the one depicted there. And nonetheless, I still appreciate knowing the characters as more than the part they played in friendships. I really liked getting to know Percy, Annabeth, and Grover outside of how they're defined by their friendships. I wish I'd gotten more of a chance to know Hermoine and Ron that way, before friendship defined them
That is pretty much how it went from my memory as well!
Well, that's a very good point. But unlike HP, PJO is more realistic. Harry just meets random people and suddenly they become his best friends. Percy, Annabeth, and Grover's friendship grows, just like it does in real life.
Good point but, the only thing I believe PJ does better than HP is the side character interactions. PJ caters to a younger demographic while HP takes a little more understanding to enjoy. PJ deaths also weren’t as impactful as HP, due to the fact that the books seemed rushed. I love both series but it’s obvious which one is better. HP>>>
My Mother is a Witch and my father is Apollo.
But I mean didn’t voldy kill Harry’s parents? That’s kind of a personal stake.
Agreed! I believe I mention that in the video. Apologies if I don't. However, in the first book, you don't know that Voldemort is involved at all, so his personal stakes don't necessarily fit that scenario.
@@JamieIsReading I see. As a complete digression, do you like reading sci-fi fantasy and/or fanfics?
Might I interest you in a somewhat sci-fi alternate fantasy fanfic of Harry Potter named "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality". I'm reading it currently and I wonder what you would think of it as a fan of the original.
Hermione and Ron were needed on the quest when you said that they weren’t at 4:00. Because without Ron, Harry couldn’t beat the wizard chess board. Without Hermione, Harry couldn’t beat the potions riddle.
You should read the Underland chronicles by suzanne Collins!! I prefer it over both series
I'll check it out!
Oh my teacher made me read the first 3 books in 5th grade, I don't remember much but I liked it a lot!
Sorry...but I Disagree. I like both the series. I like hp more but I like pj too. I mean...I think pj totally deserves more but that doesn’t mean that we have to you know...put hate on hp.
she esplicitly told that she is not bashing or hating the Harry potter series multiple times.
@@half_dead4306 no I’m not talking about her she said all her opinions with respecting Harry Potter. I’m talking about the comments.
@@ggukbunnies ohhh that makes sense.
@@half_dead4306 😄
I have both books :)
Not gonna lie I didn't really like Heroes of Olympus, I mean I love Percy Jackson and the Olympians but in Heroes of Olympus the humor kinda sucked to me, I hated Leo, Piper, and Jason which make up 3/7 of the team, and the ships were pretty messed up imo, like a 4,000 y/o goddess dating a 16 y/o???? It's also messed up for Frank to like Hazel back IMO, I mean whether she was 13 or 14 when they got together to me still creeps me out.
I mean, ? Calypso looks 16 yrs old, and In Trials of Apollo she loses her immortality and becomes human, so... idk how it works but I feel as if she's just 16.
Id argue with you but your exactly what your name says😂
I like percy jackson more in terms of writing style in books. Although harry potter’s movies is better.
You've read Fangirl?
Yes I have! I haven't read it in quite a few years now but I loved it!
For me the difference is luke
That Wizard Hitler analogy for Voldemort is especially funny to me given.... well, just J.K. Rowling in general
Does Percy Jackson series have detective elements like plot twists and mysteries?
Yeah, and ao does the hoo, even more so.
I was always more drawn to percy Jackson because as someone with ADD I felt more connected because the characters also have disabilities
0:35 SAME!
I like harry potter a little bit more.
completely fair!
anyone the same as me?
Hufflepuff
aphrodite kid?
Good combo!
- Quinitaz okay wow you really did the math for that 😂
Hufflepuff and Apollo kid
slytherin and poseidon kid. ✌️
hufflepuff apollo kid! also a ravenclaw but i have hufflepuff robes so im more of a puff
Anyone else an Aphrodite kid and a Slytherin?
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In Harry Potter there is personal stake especially Hermione she is a muggle born she would get killed
I find Percy Jackson to be a superior series to HP.
Better romance, for starters. Harry's flicks with Cho and Ginny are ok, for the most part(him kissing Ginny in Halfblood Prince book is just cringe. completely out of place). And the scene in the film, where he and Ron comment on Hermione's skin(WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!).
As for Percy Jackson, much better. The two start out as friends, and then there is some weird drama between them. The first kiss between them is in Book 3, and then it all goes down to the end of Book 5. It starts basically from 0, and gradually builds up to 100, making the whole thing quite rewarding and satisfying. It actually feels genuine.
Fight scenes are also better in PJ. There is some plot armor, of course, but there really is the distinct feel of real danger. Always, there is something sinister. Percy's fight with Thalia in Book 3, I believe, is also very nice. Short and sweet. Really highlights the tension between Zeus and Poseidon. Then, the attack on Luke's ship at the beginning of book 5, and then the final battles. Point is, there is actually real danger involved. With HP, it's not as convincing.
The story as a whole is far more enjoyable. There are little to no boring or slow moments.
So, while I did enjoy reading HP, and found them quite interesting, PJ is just on a whole 'nother level.
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Voldemort was a threat to the whole wizard of world though, why wouldn’t Ron and hermione want to stop him from becoming immortal? Your reasoning doesn’t really make sense
Its really hard to explain but Ill try. Character motivations need to be personal. It needs to come from within the character and it has to reflect their story, and the way they act in it.
It has to be the decision(that is based on their beliefs) of the characters. If the plot decides it for them i.e. Ron and Hermiones motives is "Voldemort threatening the wizarding world so we have to stop them". Cause if that is all then there really isnt anything special to talk about Ron and Hermione. Cause if the whole wizarding world is threatened then why follow them in the story besides them being Harry's friends.
Tl:dr Ron and Hermione are Plot Driven characters when good writing calls for Character Driven stories.
Thats why Annabeth and Grover were "better"(for lack of better words) characters.
Annabeth is a good character because she has/had feelings for Luke who is her enemy. And she is followed in the story because she feels that she is partially the reason for Lukes downfall under Kronos. She turned her back on Luke when he goes to her for help saying they can runaway together. Her character arc is better than Percy's imo.
As for Grover(mostly about the first book) his desire is to become a searcher for Pan, like every other Satyr. But the reason hes a good character is that he is viewed as the weakest most afraid satyr. And he has to go on the quest in order to get what he wants. So when he ultimately becomes the one satyr to finally find Pan, it is deserved because despite his nervous personality his determination is what gets him to his goal.(He probably has the least developed motive, but still good).
Annabeth and Grover have their own motives and their decisions not effect the plot but is personal to their stories.
@@alekoo_ngdiak read the Harry Potter books, because you don’t know enough knowledge about Ron and Herminone to be having this discussion. To say their characters boil down to stopping Voldemort is insulting to them, they both have way more going on than that, and I’d argue way more than either Grover or Annabeth. You named one thing for each of them, I can name several character motivations for Ron and Herimone, each.