Harry Potter VS Percy Jackson: LET'S SETTLE THIS!
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SO, today we tackle an age old question. Which franchise has the better protagonist? Pretty spicy topic, but I like to live dangerously anyway. So without further ado, let's dive into Harry Potter vs Percy Jackson. - Розваги
I think the fact that Harry didn’t do anything to structurally change and fix the inherent flaws in the Wizarding world is a big black mark on his quality as a protagonist. Percy Jackson looked Zeus in the face and told him to make the gods pay child support
Facts one is dealing with a god the other a group of bigots
and yet, piper and leo got claimed at 16 when the agreement was 13
@@darriongeorge5137 he never told them when only that they do it
@@darriongeorge5137 ??? But when did Percy confront Zeus? and When did he agree? By the end of the Last Olympian? When Percy and crew are *SIXTEEN YEARS OLD* -- the way you worded your comment ("and yet") in response to the OP makes it seem like the Gods only honored their agreement 16 years after, when that was not the case at all.
@darriongeorge5137 16 months not years
I prefer how pjo tackles prophecies. Throughout the series it’s stated that the great prophecy could still be about someone else (spoilers ahead); like Thalia, Nico or even Bianca if she’d lived, it makes Percy feel less chosen-oney
That Percy outright *_chooses_* to be the child of prophecy so as to not have Nico be burdened with it (see the questers all assembling on Olympus in TTC as the gods meet for the winter solstice) should also be noted.
Bianca died?
titans curse
I agree. The prophecies feel like they come more naturally in Percy Jackson. Especially in the end of The Last Olympian, (Spoiler Alert) when it's revealed that Percy isn't actually the hero who dies from the Great Prophecy. That works way better than the weird half explained ancient love magic/master of death thing that lets Harry come back to life in Deathly Hallows.
Important to note, Dumbledore did point out the importance of free will, that Harry could very well choose to ignore the prophecy, insisted many before him did not come true, that the only reason Harry will fulfil the prophecy is because he, as a person, can't NOT fulfil it.
So... in other words, as Dumbledore so wisely stated: "You're setting too much store by the prophecy."
I personally think Percy is better, the story is planned out by start to end everything is wrapped up really well and him being “the chosen one” Isn’t forced down your throat. Also you see his progression from the no good 12 year old trouble kid to the experienced 18 year old hero who developed a family of people around him that he thought he would never have.
He's still 16
@@milklord_ no there’s another series where he’s 18 and he goes to college during it. And a spin off series where it’s mentioned how he’s doing in college. It’s called Heroes Of Olympus and the spin off is Trials Of Apollo
@@marvelgeekie9897 in trials of Apollo he's still a sophomore
@@milklord_ No he’s 18 google it.
@@milklord_No, it's explicitly said that he is in New Rome ready to start college in the tower of Nero (the last book of the trials of Apollo). Also ToN is settled a year after hoo, in which annabeth turns 17 (and her b day is in july while Percy's in August)
Personally I liked Harry and Percy equally in the early books, Like the first three but later on, idk the ending just seemed more satisfying in PJO
Probably because Percy addressed the main issue that caused the war in the first place whereas Harry did not and there was no logical resolution to it other than violence or convicting the other side to Azkaban
Yeah, I think it’s because percy’s and jason’s request doesn’t really solve the issue of the problems in HoO. In PJO the unclaimed demigods rebelled because they weren’t claimed or they didn’t have any cabins so percy started to fix the issue by building new cabins and request minimum of 12 year old claiming.
But the main problems in HoO can be summarized in two. First is the gods sudden silenced without anything to give warning or help to the demigods about incoming threats, and second is the divide between roman and greek and yet not one of the request from the seven actually addresses this issue and just give more power to the gods which is kinda the reason why a lot of people don’t like blood of olympus
Later books Harry just kinda bogged the series down for me. Like, I get that he's going through a lot and yes adhere are plenty of 15 year olds who are like that, but he just remained angsty through the while books leaving the mood lightening to Fred, George and Luna. He just didn't seem to have any moments of joy. And it was exhausting.
I like that riordan didnt feel to use the everbody dies exuse and well that what made hp boring to me the same hook every time
i ain't reading all that shit
In Harry Potter, we already know that the main character will win. The prophecy will end with only one. Of course, it will be the main character.
However, in Percy Jackson, there is a chance the prophecy is not about Percy. Furthermore, the prophecies in Percy Jackson have some element of suspense. E.g. a friend betraying Percy in TLT, fail to save what matters most in the end. Also, Percy has gone through a lot more than Harry has ever gone through. He almost defeated Hades and Ares, he held up the FRICKIN SKY for a few seconds. He survived TARTARUS for gods sake!
Percy Jackson vs Harry Potter is basically the Marvel vs DC war. Marvel/Harry Potter has weaker source material but better movies while DC/Percy Jackson has better source material but trash movies.
Also, in Percy Jackson, you actually sort of side with the villain as Luke has an understandable motivation. The gods are irresponsible and are just d*cks. They don't even claim their own children. They also ruined a bunch of mortals' lives and did some messed up stuff. They are basically the superheroes in the boys.
Edit : I may or may not have started a war in the comments
I u deter and your points, but to say percy has been through WAY more than Harry is purely false. Harry’s parents were murdered, he was raised by a horrible family surrounded by hate and distain. He was thrown into a world of which he had no knowledge of and was found to be incredibly famous and at some pointy was downright bullied in school, both muggle world and at Hogwarts. He fights Voldemort twice and wins as a 11/12 year old. He went through so much emotional trama in the 3rd book, such as with sirius being his parents murderer and his godfather as well as his struggles with the dementors, where he relived his worst moments. Even more in the 4th book watching cedric die and being bullied by half the school for being a champion. The 5th book was true emotional trauma. Drama with cho, his visions of Voldemort, etc. I could go on but i’m too lazy to, i just wanted to make a point.
@@timatillo7801Harry's never been through literal hell before, and I agree that Harry has lost many people in his life, but Percy suffered more losses. He was forced to endure a horrible stepfather as he beat his mother behind closed doors from a young age. He held the weight of the sky and endured the curses of various foes from previous books in tartarus. I'm saying that Percy has way more physical and emotional damage compared to Harry. Not to mention, the prophecy supposedly said that he was about to die, and he went though a lot of pain during both wars, both mental and physical. Also, its not I u deter, its I deter you. Percy was also thrown into a world and learnt the harsh reality that the gods are all assholes
@@tanzenuanchorgreenps7864 i can agree that physically percy has agriablly been through more but emotionally? Loss of his parents, fred, dumbledore, lupin, serious, snape, colin, dean, tonks had to be way then the friends percy lost that he wasn’t nearly as close with. Also it is true percy had a bad childhood, but he still made friends, harry had no friends because of dudley and was bullied by his own family. their childhoods and emotionally trauma are not even comparable.
Silena, Beckendorf, Luke, Jason, Dakota, etc.@@timatillo7801 Also u spelled Sirius wrong lol
@@timatillo7801harry was literally adopted by another family that fully loves him (the weasley), he was supported by ron and hermione constantly. Annabeth accused percy of being a coward one time, then was betrayed by nico, then lost beckendorf who is like one of the few ones that percy actually admired only to find out his death was caused by beckendorf’s girlfriend because of luke’s manipulation. I’m sorry but percy physical and emotional stress just for the 4th and 5th book already surpassed harry’s stress for at least 1-5th books
There are some other aspects of the book where PJO is just leaps and bounds better. One being that Percy is an unreliable narrator - he's an ADHD kid who's got low self-esteem and the brain of a teenage boy. His dad wants to talk to him about how he caused an earthquake and he thinks dad wants to talk about his first kiss. He constantly downplays his powers and it isn't until HoO that we see him from other characters pov - they describe him as fearsome, god-like, and everything that Percy doesn't see in himself.
There's also the bit where it's clearly established that Harry is the chosen one, whereas with Percy there's an element of doubt. It's really interesting but he makes the decision to be te chosen one. His whole idea that being the chosen one sucks and he doesn't want some younger kid who he's already let down once before be the chosen one cuz it's too difficult shows how selfless he is.
There's also how the books deal with abusive caretakers. The Dursley's disappear and we don't really know what happens to them, but they go on living their own lives I'm assuming. PJO shows that Percy's abusive step-dad getting turned to stone.
There's also the fact about how after Harry wins the fight with Voldie, he just continues living life - the high school jock, marrying his high school sweetheart, becoming a magic cop. Whereas Percy tries to bring systemic change. He understands the villains pov and forces the gods to reconcile with their mistakes and claim their children.
And the most compelling part of Percy's story is that it's not over. The HP series ends with the golden trio being adults, and sending their kids off to school. But, in PJO it's established that most demigods don't make it past their 20's. Even if Percy has won these big battles, there's always a risk that he may be found by a monster, and may not survive. That's what makes us root for him even more, cuz of how fragile everything seems!
facts i dont have anything to add except that also the world expands into other mythologys
Harry is an unreliable narrator as well. It's third person limited point of view, but we see 99% of the series from his point of view and are lead gently down the garden path several times, until both Harry and the reader get hit by a realisation/news.
@@lopiklati The Kane Chronicles, Magnus Chase and The Gods of Asgard, Heroes of Olympus, Trials of Apollo and Rick Riordan Presents right? It just so cool to see how much this universe has grown and expand in the last few years, especially with Rick Riordan Presents!
Edit: I just learned that all of the books from Rick Riordan Presents: are not canon to the Percy Jackson universe, which sucks but I'm still going to eventually pick them up to read.
Percy Jackson was always the Chosen One. When Thalia was mere hours away from turning 16, the Great Prophecy was nowhere close to coming true. Kronos wasn’t revived and Luke wasn’t ready to sacrifice himself, and Morpheus wasn’t ready to set the world to sleep. That alone proves that it was always Percy, if the name of the series didn’t prove it already.
Furthermore, Harry Potter had much more emotional depth and symbolism. Harry felt loss over his years at Hogwarts and struggled with things like never knowing his parents and with dealing with his fame. Percy often glossed over his own struggles at the end of each book or used humor to avoid really delving into it. I just can’t take that as seriously tbh.
Finally, Harry Potter had many more plot-contributing characters. How many Percy Jackson characters actually contributed to the plot? There was Percy, Annabeth, Grover, Tyson (sorta), Nico, and Luke. Nobody else really did all that much to aid in the overall conflict, and none of the side characters really got many achievements or scenes of their own. Contrast that with Harry Potter, which had characters like Luna speaking about loss and individuality, characters like Neville growing from insecurity to courage, others like Narcissa Malfoy choosing love over hate, and Severus Snape acting as a double agent in the entire series’ plot. Harry Potter is just superior all around.
I love Percy Jackson, but the writing just doesn’t have nearly as much thought out into it.
@@Doomzdeh but thalia comes back. that's the whole point. thalia comes back and, even after she enters the hunters of artemis, we're never really sure if the 16 years is 16 years of life experience or 16 years physically. we're introduced to bianca and nico and neither of the hades kids really know their age. they assume they're around 14 and 10, but it's not until battle of the labyrinth that we get confirmation that they really are that age.
percy used humor as a self defense mechanism and (those who use humor as well) could tell just how much he was suffering. he had no time to grieve, he's tired, and it's not until hoo where we see just how much it affects him outwardly. in hoo, he's described as having haunted eyes and he's overly afraid that everyone will die just like how so many died in the titan war. also, percy's an unreliable narrator, we know this and we see it countless times, because he's a teenager and he acts like one.
percy jackson as a story also delves a lot into the feeling of trying so hard but never being able to achieve what you want. percy always wanted to be normal, to have good grades and to make his mom proud, but his adhd and dyslexia made it way too hard to function normally. annabeth wanted to be remembered and to be someone's first choice because she never was and, in a lot of cases, never will be (e.g. luke, her dad, thalia, etc.).
there are many scenes in percy jackson where characters get their individuality. grover getting his life's dream (finding pan), but having to convince all of the other satyrs that pan is dead and he isn't coming back, clarisse learning that empathy and personal relationships don't make you any less of a warrior (silena, chris, even her respect for percy counts for this), etc.
honestly, you really can't judge percy jackson as a series without reading heroes of olympus because they're basically the same story, the division was to be able to change the first person pov to multiple third person povs.
this gets me to the last point: luke. voldemort was a shit villain and you can't deny it. what makes a good villain? a villain you can sympathize with and that seems human. voldemort had "reasons", but none of those are really understandable. it feels like there's just black/white in hp, while percy jackson and hoo delve into the grey area. luke did some horrible things and he planned the genocide of his own kind, but he was right to a certain point. the gods were never good parents and it's hard to give your entire life to someone who you know will never give two shits about you. that's why luke made such a good villain, because he made the protagonist doubt and reflect.
i tried to just use more objective points but honestly harry potter as a narrator felt boring and very 2d, percy felt more flawed and more realistic. and rr's writing style is superior to jkr's.
I honestly love both series each in a different way, but I feel like Percy Jackson's ending was more beautiful and it hit me deeper than Harry Potter's ending.
A new series with Percy as the main character is coming out soon. The first book "Chalice of The Gods" is releasing some time this month.
@@gayfrog3272 Thank you for sharing this! I had no idea! I went to get the book immediatelz
@@reading1713 np man.
Honestly, I got more emotional at the ending of Harry Potter
@@anonperson3972 siiick. Read the new Percy Jackson book!🔥🔥🔥🔥
I read Harry Potter first, but I ended loving the Percy Jackson series when I read it.
When I read the first Harry book, it was a bit hard for me to get through because I didn’t enjoy reading that much and the first chapter was through the perspective of Mr. Druesly for most of it, but when I read the first line of the Lightning Thief, I was hooked because of how it set up how Percy feels about his supernatural life. Also, I just feel that Percy is more relatable. Having trouble in school, feeling like an outsider, parent troubles, etc. They all make Percy feel relatable. And since he’s books are in first person perspective, we honestly get to know him a little better because it’s him telling us his thoughts and feelings. I also think that the story is better in the Percy Jackson books. The supporting characters are great as well, and the action is exciting.
So, for me personally, I’m going to say Percy.
TL;DR: Basically HoO shows us that from Percy's perspective he is a goof who gets very lucky but from everyone else's perspective including some gods and excluding Piper (cuz she got insecure about her boyfriend) Percy is practically a god, an assurance of definite victory and someone not to be messed with lest you incur his wrath and spite.
Also the added perspectives in HoO add so much to Percy as a character. In The Lost Hero, Percy and his previous adventures become sort of a myth to the three main characters of that book and we see the beginnings of how much Percy undersells himself when he is narrating to us. The next book SoN confirms that Percy sells himself way too short starting with his narration of his solo adventures with amnesia in which he is basically calling himself a bumbling buffoon, followed directly by Hazel's PoV in which she mistakes Percy for a god which is subsequently followed by him single handedly humiliating two Roman cohorts in their version of capture the flag which iirc leads directly to him throwing hands with Mars on sight surprising everyone there including Mars himself who I am pretty sure implies he respects Percy for it. The entire book is basically just Hazel and Frank being flabbergasted by Percy and how strategic and powerful he is as well as Percy being a mentor to both of them, all of which culminates in both Percy single handedly taking down an undead roman legion and basically humiliating one of the giants by himself while using a head as a weapon. Before this book we already know how good a leader and how powerful Percy is but during this book and the way he is described by others you realize that the guy is way beyond simply being a good leader or simply being powerful, he is the example to follow for modern demigods.
Then there is HoH, my personal favorite in both series because it give us Percy from Annabeth's perspective and it is from her perspective that we explore his darker sides. We know that Percy is pretty cruel to his enemies (he helped petrify Gabe at 12 after all) but from her perspective we get to see just how cruel he can be and how powerful he actually is when he doesn't let his morals get in the way. He almost kills the goddess of misery with her own poison to which Annabeth is just terrified of, simply bc Percy overpowered a god, she watches him kill Arachne faster than she can see, and tank a bunch of curses for her and through all this Annabeth is just like "wtf I knew he was powerful and could be cruel but I never realized that it could be to this extent." And to me the magnum opus of Annabeth being surprised by Percy is his entire interaction with Bob, Annabeth knows Percy is very intelligent and a great tactician, she knows he undersells and underestimates himself in this regard. From Percy's perspective his interaction with Bob reads as him being nice to some weird kid and feeling somewhat bad for never visiting even though Bob considers him a friend. Percy attributes most of Bob's friendliness to him and Annabeth to Nico but admits to some strategic manipulation of his part during the book. Not enough to seem bad but just enough to give us a glimpse into Percy's manipulation. Then it switches into Annabeth's PoV in which she is realizing Percy is playing Bob like a fiddle in a very strategic way, she admits that she knew Percy was good but she hadn't realized he was this good, then it all culminates in Percy perfectly and strategically manipulate Bob into killing his brother. Annabeth is terrified by this even more so that it was so natural to Percy and that he more than likely didn't notice he did it. It's just so surprising to see Percy characterized in such a terrifying and awe inspiring way through Annabeth who is his closest friend and one of his oldest. This adds so much depth to Percy for both the audience and Annabeth while also adding so much more depth to Annabeth and the relationship between her and Percy. It also shows that the curse of Achilles wasn't what had Percy acting up during TLO and it was just a darker part of his personality that was showing through thanks to said curse.
HoO and the subsequent series show just how much Percy is him for everyone else but himself, from his PoV he's an idiot who gets lucky some of the time, from the PoV of everyone else including most gods Percy is already a myth who if he joins the battle victory is all but assured no matter what is thrown at you. If you want something done and you want it done right you call on Percy. I seriously wonder if after all the havoc Percy and Annabeth caused in Tartarus the monsters tell stories about how dangerous Percy and Annabeth are and that Gods forbid you injure the blonde daughter of Athena in front of the son of Poseidon cuz if you thought they were dangerous together your in for a new one once the green eyed dark haired one finds out you injured the blonde and vice versa, specially after the curse stuff and Achlys stuff.
@@ricremricrem2221 So cool! I enjoyed reading your comment so much and I love your take on Percy and Annabeth. Percy is literally so powerful and I must admit, I was taken back by all the admiration and intimidation from other characters in HoO. That series really showed how powerful Percy really is.
I really agree that the first chapter of hp is boring. Thats what made me procrastinate starting the books. Once i got past the first chapter hp is great..
@@ricremricrem2221 uhm....
@ricremricrem2221 great sumerize, u opened my eyes to some new points on percy and its my favorite book serise ever
I prefer Percy as a character honestly, don't get me wrong I love Harry but Percy while didn't have as long feels like the more compelling character. And in terms of likeability if i had to choose who to hang with and be friends with I'd pick Percy. Another thing is that the world around Percy feels more alive, characters in the background having lives that have nothing to do with Percy. Where as with Harry it feels like a lot of things stop and start with him, some of the time not all the time but enough for me to take note. Harry is an amazing character we get to grow a bit longer than we do with Percy, as well as at the end come to terms with what harry has to sacrafice along with him. So I agree with on that but personally I prefer Percy
I also prefer percy and, percy has more books dedicated to him then harry. PJO and HOO
@@shantanupandey9663 And don't forget the new PJO book that Rick is making right now.
@@gabblebabbles2017CTG, right? Based on will and nico but I don’t know if percy and annabeth are in college in it, since CTG has been said to take place before TOA
Ctg = Chalice (of) The gods, TOA = trials of appolo
@@xsxenoTSATS is will and Nico, CTG is Percy Annabeth and (I think) grover
Edit: Reading CTG now, and it’s good, and I can confirm my previous statement
@@Jedidaily whats TSATS again?
Darn, i really like both, but i think in the end Percy stuck with me more. He has a more tangible and iconic personality and better character development, and i always got excited at all his appearances in books where he is not the main character. Probably my favourite character in the entire series. Meanwhile the Harry Potter books depend much more on the side characters and the world building, so Harry himself does not shine as much by comparison.
I remember screeching with happiness when Percy appeared in Son of Neptune. I was even happy when he wasn´t the main character in some books.
Never screeched like a happy banshee at Harry though.
i also got excited at the end of magnus chase 2 at the end when anabeth tels him he should train with percy@@oceanmythjormundgandr3891
I think the conversation between Percy and Harry is an interesting one. Also while power scaling doesn’t really matter, Percy was shown in the Kane chronicle to either be resistant or impervious to at least Egyptian magic. Which I think is just a cool fact.
Also we do actually get to spend time with Percy outside of the main 5 book, with the several short stories we’ve received. Plus the SoN, MoA and HoH in Heroes of Olympus do a really good job of showing a slightly older version of the character.
also he is shown to move INSANELY fast and blood bend sooooo in a fight Harry is fucked
@@Raine.in.love.Wait! When did the bloodbend happen?
@@CaptainvonDore it never actually happened in the books (correct me if i'm wrong but I'm very sure it has never happened) but (huge spoiler alert) in the House of Hades when Percy and Annabeth are in Tartarus and they encounter the goddess Akhlys (I think she's like the goddess of misery or poison, I don't really remember) Percy uses Akhlys's poison against her since it's liquid and he was able to manipulate it. From this fact fans started the headcanon of him being able to bloodbend which, considering what he did in Tartarus, I personally think it's quite possible but, since in canon Annabeth was pretty terrified of him using his powers like that, we're probably never going to actually read about it more
@@camillacesana4143ok. I remember that scene.
@@CaptainvonDore well in tartarus with acheleus (however u write her name) he proved he can control things that arent pure water (the poison) hence he could bloodbend but doesnt bc it scares the shit out of annabeth
I still like Percy’s personality better then harry 🤷♀️ he just had a more enjoyable perspective to read, and i would always find myself reading
I agree with you
I speak for all the Percy Jackson fans when I say, thank you for using Walker in the thumbnail instead of Logan.
true
Don’t have anything against his portrayal seems like an Andrew Garfield situation to me
Yes
Nah honestly they should’ve just used the book art of the characters. But between Walker and Logan Walker is definitely the better choice.
@@isaacmartinez2359I agree. I feel bad for him. I actually liked his performance as Percy. He just so happened to be stuck in a god awful movie
Percy Jackson!! His story is amazing & expands into the Roman camp and other characters that become important too. Also the ending is way more satisfying
I saw someone online said Harry Potter is basically Millenials and Percy Jackson is Gen Z. Both are amazing in their respective ways, and I couldn’t agree more✨
i honestly think that alternating between characters helped percy's story more then it didn't. the fact that we spend the first of the series (percy jackson and the gods of olympus) just from his point of view, how he struggles, how he doubts himself, then in the second series (the heroes of olympus) we see from other peoples points of view, talking about how he seems to do things effortlessly, to me, it just adds an extra layer to his character, and i would argue that through it all, they both have an equal amount of character development, and interpersonal relationships. in fact, of the entirety of both series, i think that of all the parallel characters (harry-percy, hermione-annabeth, dumbledore-chiron, Mr. D-Snape, etc). the only character J.k. did better then rick, was the Ron-grover character, and even then, it's still very close.
Oh why do you think Ron was better written?
I just found that the character of grover seemed very one dimensional in the first series, and a lot of his character development felt forced, also more adjusting yo new information then personal growth, you know, where as ron felt slightly more realistic to me. Not to look down on grover at all of course, I think it was more that he suffered from being an all right character surrounded by great ones.
honeslty i think Ron kinda sucks... mmuch of his character is focused on his insecurites and feeling inferior to all his brothers and best friends but its not like he really makes an effort, his character arc just kinda ends with him "getting the girl" (as if hermione is some type of trophy). He doesnt do anything to prove himself nor does he ever try to, he just kind a sulks about other people getting what he wants without ever acknowledging the work others put in that he simply doesn't.
One of my issues with Harry is that even though we have him for a lot longer than Percy he doesn’t do half as much to actually change anything about his world for the better. Him being the chosen one/savior is literally only about defeating Riddle. Like just because he seated the bad guy does not mean nothing else is wrong! Versus with Percy we see how it’s less about defeating Kronos and more about protecting his family while actively saying “hey gods stop fucking things up, fix your shit or I’ll MAKE you fix it bitch. Don’t test me, I ain’t afraid of you” 😂
For me it's 100% Percy. Barring my personal dislike of JK Rowling, Percy is just more active as a hero and protagonist. A lot of things happen to Harry and he gets really lucky. He is also propped up by the probably too smart for her own good Hermione. Percy actually has to work towards defeating Chronos. And he's called out for being too arrogant and sure of himself. Rick Riordan also just does a lot more with the world beyond the 5 original series books. Percy helped to fight inequalities in the system, having felt like an outcast his entire life and even when he was first at Camp Half-Blood.
Yep! And honestly, if Harry and Percy would both call me to fight with them and I'd had to choose which war I would help, I'd choose Percy without second thought. I belong so much better in Camp Half-Blood than in Hogwarts, not only the f**king gendered rooms but because my difficulties with study. Not to mention I grew to love Harry Potter in time as Dad read them when I was around 7. And when I got first Percy Jackson book, I was around 15 and I got hooked up by reading the first page. It's been ages and I appreciate Percy Jackson and uncle Rick so much better than, well, you know. 😅
I'd say the world of Percy Jackson is better than the world of Harry Potter. At least with the sequel series. The sequel to PJO is "Heroes of Olympus" and it's one of my favorite series! The world and plot were set up in PJO and Percy is one of 7 main heroes, but he doesn't feel overshadowed he still progresses and grows, and the rest of the 7 have cool unique backstories, diverse backgrounds and awesome albites along with engaging personal story arc that flow well with the main plot. For Harry Potter it's sequel the Cursed child made Harry look hella bad, and the prequel series Fantastic Beast feels like continuity problems for the main Harry potter universe, and doesn't feel like they have any sort of plan. So yeah I love Percy & Harry but Percy succeed in building it's own universe
New series with Percy as the main character coming soon, first book comes out his month.
What do you mean by percy doesn’t get overshadowed??? He hella got overshadowed by other people a lot. Like the only thing that percy wasn’t overshadowed or pushed to the side is in tartarus and that’s because in the pit there’s only annabeth and him
@@merlinrecon7528I’m reading that book right now. It’s so good
Same, I really like the Magnus Chase books that follow Annabeth's cousin and the norse gods and I also read the crossover with the Kane Chronicles. So while other people might feel like that world has no more than what Percy and crew provide I had a lot of fun with the other series Rick has written outside of that bit still in the world.
@@merlinrecon7528How is he overshadowed? On Son of Neptune Hazel literally confuses him with a GOD! And the book is literally named after him. On House of Hades he's on Tartarus, defeats a godess there and everything...
He's still is THE goat
i can’t think of 5 words to describe harry’s personality, but i could write paragraphs about percy’s.
Would you follow Harry Potter in a war if he wasn’t the chosen one?
Would you follow Percy Jackson in a war if he wasn’t the chosen one? (he wasn’t the only option for the chosen one and actually did something, he led them, about 40-50 demigods plus hunters and defeated multiple titans and Kronos)
And the Blood of Olympus scene, when Reyna lead CHB, but Percy just yelled something like let’s fight stuff! And the whole camp went wilddd
He wasn’t even there for about one or two years (his disappearance at the beginning of HOO and then the whole Argo journey)
Percy didn’t need a prophecy, he earned the camp’s respect as a true leader, a war veteran, a living legend and a friend
I'd totally follow Harry Potter in a war, if he wasn't the chosen, because I know he'd try everything to bring me back safely. Mind you, I hope I neve rhave to follow anyone into a war.
Harry being the chosen one has got nothing to do with his leadership and bravery in a war lol
He was the only option for chosen one. It was always him. He’s the titular character; it was pretty obvious.
Add in the fact that, in Titan’s Curse, as Thalia was mere hours away from turning 16, the Great Prophecy was nowhere near coming true. Kronos wasn’t revived, Luke wasn’t ready to sacrifice himself, Luke and Kronos weren’t bonded for this sacrifice to happen, and Morpheus hadn’t even been recruited by the Titans to put the world to sleep.
Thalia should have been a viable option for the prophecy by your logic, but she clearly wasn’t. That proves it always referred to Percy, and the issue was that nobody knew that until it actually happened.
@@Doomzdeh tho that is true for us, the prophecy is-
“Olympus to PRESERVE OR RAZE”
Him saving everyone wasn’t the only option, they believed in him to do it.
And while in Harry’s prophecy there was an option for Voldemort to win, he’d already beaten him once.
And as you can likely tell, I’m biased, so probably not the best person to judge who’s better, because who’s better mostly depends on the person judging them.
I really like both of them. Harry is the one who brought me into the world of fiction, but Percy is the one who got me really invested in it. If I had to choose though I would choose Percy Jackson. I would never be able to choose between the characters so this is for the series. I felt in Percy Jackson that the hero and the villain had a more compelling past than in Harry Potter. I also got hit with the deaths a lot harder in Percy Jackson because they had a noticeable ripple effect that continued through every book that had the characters affected by it. This is just my opinion so no hate please.
aint know one showing hate and no onwe should this is a friendly space for debate not mass murder,depression and / or war(i just realized i sound mean but i am too lazy to change it so im freindly )
I agree, especially with Jason's death, Rick writes really clearly how it affected the others, especially Apollo, and how it's continuing to affect them, even in later books like The Sun and The Star
As charecters they both have their strengths, but I find myself relating more to Percy than to Harry. There's the joke about Harry been a stereotypical Gen X and Percy being more of a Millennial/Gen Z, but it's pretty accurate. The obvious example being when they learn that they're going to die. Obviously neither of them really die (or I guess Harry does but he comes back due to some questionable plot devices) but they're reactions to that information is pretty great. They both accept it, but Harry is more emotional and Percy is just like if I die, I die and moves on, but it's true in other cases too. Their relationships both with their main love interest (Ginny and Annabeth) and their brief prior relationship (Cho and Rachel) feel that way too. To me, Percy feels more human whereas Harry often just feels like a plot device in a lot of cases. I'm giving that to Percy.
In terms of world building The Wizarding World is certainly more developed, but i don't think the lack of development is a negative for PJO. The whole idea is that this world of mythology exists within our own world, and the Wizarding World is more of a separate thing. They both handle that aspect near perfectly. If I had to pick, I'd give the edge to Harry Potter there though.
From a story telling perspective, I'm going to give it to PJO. Percy feels like he's existing within a chain of events, where Harry feels like he's driving the story.
In terms of power, all of the power in Percy Jackson is a bit scaled up from Harry Potter (seeing as we're dealing with literal gods) but id give them a pretty similar grade on that aspect. Percy's power is definitely greater in relation to the rest of the demigods than Harry's is to other wizards, but I sort of like that for Harry. He does have those conveniently placed bits of extraordinary power that only show up to get him out of what seems to be an inescapable scenario, but aside from that it's pretty good. Percy definitely does some stuff that seems a bit much, even for him (like exploding a volcano, nearly killing the goddess of misery by drowning her in her own poisons, ect.) but it never feels too out of place. It seems more like an extension of his already established power than a totally new thing that happens out of nowhere. I'll give Percy the edge on that one.
In terms of the emotional investment you get from the books, it's hard to say. The character deaths from Harry Potter in particular feel a bit sadder to me. I'm not a super emotional person, but when characters like Dobby, Sirius, Dumbledore, Lupin, and Snape died, i3 felt it a lot more than I felt most of the deaths in Percy Jackson. A lot of them felt like they were forced emotion. You barely ever knew Selena, Beckendorf, Lee, Michael, or the other characters who died. Ethan, Luke, Bianca, and Zoe were maybe the closest, but you only knew Biance for about half a book and Zoe for just the one, and you spend most of the series hating Luke and Ethan anyway. The deaths in the later series (Bob, Damasen, Leo (for like a chapter), and Jason in particular) did hit a bit harder. But none of them were quite as emotional for me as the main deaths in Harry Potter. I think the secondary charecters (meaning outside of the protagonists' main groups) are more developed in Harry Potter. In Percy Jackson the other charecters are often just sort of labeled and not much more. Clarisse is a bully, Chiron is a wise mentor, the Stolls are pranksters, Katie hates the Stolls, ect. In Harry Potter we learn a lot more detail about Fred and George, Dumbledore, Lupin, Sirius, Malfoy, Snape, ect. I'm giving that one to Harry Potter.
Overall, I think they're both great. When I want to relive my childhood for a bit with a nostalgic book, I do tend to gravitate more to Percy Jackson, but that's entirely personal and has less to do with the books themselves than it does for personal experience. That was the first book series I fell in love with entirely on my own. My father got me to read Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings (which to this day remains my favorite story in any form of media ever) but I found Percy Jackson on my own and I loved it just as much as the others. It was more of my own thing than something i was told I should read. Granted, my dad was right. Harry Potter was phenomenal and I loved every second of it. But Percy Jackson just had that special thing about it for me.
I agree! I feel as though the deaths in percy jackson don't have as much of an effect on the readers and even on other characters. It's been shown that Greek demigods don't generally live til an adult age, so much so that Percy sees the Romans thriving and having multigenerational families, he is shocked, even without any memory.
This definitely tones down deaths, also we don't really see how it affects other characters because theyre kinda used to it. Everyone just cries or looks sad then moves on. The scenes someone gets frustrated or tired and does a cool power move, it's not usally about the death of anyone, more so the overall affect of how dangerous or scary or traumatic some event was/is (eg. Nico banishing Bruce, Percy destroying a glacier etc)
Not sure exactly what it's like with the harry potter universe as I have only read some of the books and no movies but have seen loads of movie clips and scenes and people talking about it. Definitely seems like the deaths in harry potter are more significant though
I feel like driving the story is a point to a good protagonist, honestly, though reactionary protags can work fine. I'd say Percy is more active than Harry in that regard.
I think the Wizarding World being more developed isn't really a good thing. The worldbuilding kinda makes too little sense. The number of wizards change drastically depending on your point of reference, the locations and number of wizarding schools are unrealistic (there should be several schools in India and China rather than having one school in Japan for Asia) and what is the point of taking a train to Hogwarts when you can use floo powder to travel most of the distance? These are just the holes in worldbuilding, I don't remember enough of the plot to talk about that.
Percy Jackson is able to rationalise the secrecy of the magical world with the fact that mortals' minds will rationalise everything magical they see to fit their mundane normal. For Harry Potter, it's established muggles can see magic so how haven't they been found out yet? There are so many people, they're bound to be exposed.
@@mastertofu I agree to some extent, but I also think that in the Wizarding World's case, especially in the earlier books, it's supposed to not make much logical sense. I mean, the money makes literally no sense. 29 knuts to a sickle and 17 sickles to a galleon. That's just part of the whimsical nature of the Wizarding World, so I can't fault the story for a deliberate creative descision. As for why Muggles don't know about magic, there's a well established department in the Ministry of Magic that's sole purpose is to deal with Muggles who saw something the shouldn't have, as well as the International Statute of Secrecy that every magical community is covered by, so there is at least some level of explanation to that.
@@mastertofuyou saying the wizardry world is unrealistic is crazy since that kinda the whole point throughout the whole books. The whole world is supposed to be whimsical and goofy it’s magic not science so I don’t understand the whole it doesn’t make sense thing when that’s literally the whole theme of the series. It’s main drive was to make the world feel magical and wacky so I don’t know how you can be mad at something that was marketed to be that way. That’s like me reading a science fiction book and getting mad that there’s advance technology and a lot of logic.
I think over the course of 2 book series Percy has more development with 9 books than Harry with 7
I like both and am proud of it. I dont get why the two fandoms dislike each other. Though i mainly see it on the PJO side
Same but I'm mostly on the Harry Potter side lol
But I love both so much I don't see why the fandoms are always at war 😅
Same
Part of the strife between fandoms is PJO has been called a HP knockoff for years, which has kept people from giving the books a try and may have had a hand in the terrible movie adaptation, so they lash out at the HP fandom as a response. Now yes both are pretty similar, without going over all of them I just lost that both main characters have the same hair, eyes, and skin color. But a lot of the comparisons are surface level, both have a lot of stuff different about them, like narration styles, plot etc. Both series have their own merit, charm and humor. The biggest issue came with the movies. The movie directors clearly saw PJO as a HP knockoff and clearly didn't have hopes in sequels, so they went out of their way to try to make it less like HP as much as possible which made the movie very different from the books and no one in the fandom liked it, and when they did get a sequel it was leagues worse. This kept new readers away from the books and studios away from rebooting the movies or giving it a TV show for years (Or animated movie/show. I personally would've preferred that). I get the PJO frustration, hell I feel the same but I don't agree with attacking fans of a different fandom who had no part in this nor power in it. I also don't agree with HP fans insulting PJO fans, if you don't like the series fine, just leave the fans out of it.
@@patrickmcguire7896 As a PJO fan, what do they expect, Rick Riordan said himself that he got some inspiration from Harry Potter *and* J.K. Rowling and Rick Riordan both use mythology as an inspiration as well, of COURSE there's gonna be similarities, doesn't mean its an outright copy. There's so many differences between the two in character personality, setting, plot, writing style, and a lot more. Like it would be fun if HP and PJO fans stopped fighting so we could band together to make one giant fandom, srsly imagine how fun that would be.
It's definitely ALL from the PJ side. It's envy. They wish PJ was as relevant as HP but it isn't so they're always a bit sensitive about it. PJ fans always bring up HP, but I never see HP fans bring up PJ
8:38 I mean, is that level of stupidity in a government really that surprising? The real world has a *lot* of examples where stupidity is overflowing in politicians and the masses
While both Percy & Harry have their own merit and it's debatable which topic they each succeed at, The one topic that has the obvious winner is which has the best romantic relationship. Yeah Percy wins this, he and Annabeth are one of the greats YA couples period beating Harry & Ginny by a gigantic landslide. Okay to be fair if it's just the five books in PJO it be just a landslide, but they would still win. I do love Harry & Ginny together but yeah there's just not enough of them together in the books compared to Percy and Annabeth
Also I don't see a large portion of the fanbase shipping Harry & Ginny(You'll 100% see a lot more Harry & Draco than anything) meanwhile in the PJO fandom it seems like if you don't ship Percy and Annabeth you'll be questioned strongly. This seems to be the case of a lot of the PJO ships, the ones in the books is the one you'll like and want to ship. While in HP you won't get that a lot, most of the time people prefer to make up their own ships with the characters and don't care for the ones that are cannon.
So PJO wins in the romance department, 100%!
@@winter_fox4767I think a big reason for that is because rick riordan commits to romances in his stories. So when characters end up together, it diesn't feel like it somehow happened, it feels like a nice step in their common story. Meanwhile in harry potter things kinda just happen. The only romance harry had was the failed one with cho and then he just realizes he loves ginny and they almost instantly become a couple. I don't remember exactly how it happened for ron and hermione, but it also felt the same.
Because we lack a proper romance, we don't see what the characters see in each other, so we invent other ships to create more satisfying stories
@@docomega7862this is sooo accurate about percabeth. Their romance is definitely not an instant one. It's developed through and through and it's immensely satisfying when they finally get together
As a character I just like Harry more I know a lot of people don't like the Order of the Phoenix books but it's my favorite one I enjoy the slice of life aspects of it, I enjoy Harry's turmoil with how he's finally feeling angry about his situion, and I like the conflict in it and it hits when you realize that Harry is the main reason why Sirius died. That's why I'm glad the movie is well liked in the fandom because I can understand the length of the book not being for everyone.
I feel that that's the one part where PJO lacks. He really doesn't get much time to relax and get more fluffy story bits in, while Harry has a whole year to add parts like that. Rick Riordan does seem like he's trying to fix that with the new book though.
Order of the Phoenix was my favorite HP book. I could just relate to Harry Potter a lot, I’ve never related to fantasy characters who just get up and go after tree t bad things happen like it’s no big deal, Harry Potter felt more real to me, he had real PTSD and grieved.
@@interstellar6983I mean that’s the difference with the aspects of their life right? When I read the pjo books I never expect it because demigods rarely live over the age of 20 you can see that with despite Jason being apart of the main 7 and a character Rick could still do more with Jason still dies, a demigod life doesnt really allow for a smooth sailing year or stress free, are no fighting it’s impossible for them especially when your younger and have no skills to speak of, and even with the skills your never sure if you might make it out on your next quest, Jason is a strong demigod stronger than the average even with a lot of skills and still died, in my opinion Rick made a good call not doing anything fluffy until all the major wars were sorted out
In a sea of PJO-favoring comments, I finally found someone who likes Harry Potter more.
I'm so glad to have found someone who agrees.
I can relate to Harry more.
My love for Harry grew with each books and movies. And still revisiting them whenever I need to feel better.
While I just grew on hating Percy after the House of Hades and so on. I can no longer say I'm a fan of his after that.
I think, percy has much more of a realistic character…..like he felt a lot more relatable and felt like he could possibly exist irl, whereas harry, although he was a pretty good character, just had the personality of a ‘main character’ like, even after all these years, i still remember percy’s iconic personality but cant say the same for harry. Although both authors are really good story tellers, i think Rick Riordan writes the best characters, and Jk rowling has more of an affinity towards writing the story/plot.
In defense of the heroes of Olympus series and what it does to Percy
I understand not counting those as it’s mostly not in his perspective. However after spending 5 books in his head, suddenly he’s no where to be seen. But it’s not like he isn’t there, every part of when Jason, Piper, and Leo are in camp his shadow hangs over it all. It really paints 2 pictures, one of how the other characters talk and feel about him while he’s not around and two about how new characters feel towards someone larger than life that they’ve never met.
Further more in the son of Neptune we see Percy’s perspective again, great to be back, but also Frank and Hazel. Which is very unique as it feels like how we could’ve seen Annabeth and Grover in the lightning thief. They’re meeting this dude for the first time and over the course of it all seeing through their eyes we can understand their emotions and feelings of why Percy draws others to him. We see through their eyes of both the good and bad of Percy which is SUPER interesting as from first person perspective in the first series all of his actions feel logical and justified, while from 3rd person he can be super scary. Love it.
All in all I get why not include it in the discussion , but I think the Heroes of Olympus series paints a fuller and broader picture of Percy as a character.
Percy Jackson, and heroes of Olympus should be read as one series.
However the other books like magnus chase, the red pyramid, and trials of Apollo aren’t worth reading and detract from the original story in my opinion.
@@mrgandolf5349 I really only consider trials of Apollo as a “good” continuation of the characters from ‘Percy Jackson’ and ‘heroes of Olympus’. However I think these 2 series are perfect without it and I do agree that it detracts from the overall story. The others just have fun cameos with the characters from these series, so I don’t include them at all.
Harry Potter books exist in the Percy Jackson university. In the Lightening thief, the security guard at the empire state building is reading harry potter
I agree that we get more time with Harry, but I don't think that automatically makes him more compelling or interesting. I do like him as a main character, but he doesn't seem to have as much personality to me as Percy. Maybe the relationships are more well developed, but I just think Percy's voice as the narrator is really engaging to me as well. Harry Potter being in the third person, even still being locked to Harry's perspective most of the time, I think hurts his real personality coming across as strongly to the reader. Or maybe I just like sarcastic protagonists Idk.
I read the Harry Potter books when I was little, and I read the PJO books as an adult. As much as I love Harry, I think Percy gets the vote for me. I could list a lot of reasons for this, but it's mainly personal preference.
In Harry Potter, we know who will win. He survived the worlds most powerful wizard at the age of 2 with the power of friendship and love. If the books were without Harry, the books would have been mediocre. But in Percy Jackson, we don’t really know who will win. The demigod who is the child of the big three could’ve been anyone Nico, Thalia or even Bianca if she lived. The different perspectives given throughout the book makes the characters interesting and fun.
So I think Percy wins
Well, we kind of do. I don't think any of us actually thought Percy was going to die until the very end considering the books were from his perspective.
We all knew that Percy would win; he’s the titular character and the obvious Child of Prophecy.
In Titan’s Curse, as Thalia was hours away from turning 16, I assure you the Great Prophecy wasn’t coming true the next day. How do I know? Luke and Kronos had not linked, Kronos wasn’t revived, Luke therefore couldn’t reap his soul with the cursed blade, and Morpheus hadn’t been recruited by the Titans to put the world into an endless sleep.
Ergo, Thalia was never going to be the Child of Prophecy. That proves that it always referred to Percy; the issue was that nobody could tell that from the wording alone, so they believed every option to be viable.
But we all know that reading Percy jackson was a little more enjoyable than Harry Potter
As I recall Lilly made a barrier that protected Harry with magic, but yeah, Percy Jackson books are more complex and less predictable. Though Harry Potter books are now being overhated by some fantasy fans. I think Percy is a bit better but they're very close
@@nikoloznasaridze6328 yeah although Percy jackson is just a bit more enjoyable, Harry opper is getting lots of unnecessary hate
I actually think Percy is a deeper character in pretty much every way (especially when you read the later series)
Rick made a sequel series then?
@@VelaiciaCreatorhe's talking about the heroes of Olympics, when we see him from other pov and realise he undersells him self and specifically house of hades when we realise he can be quit qrule and a little evil to protect his freinds (his fatal flaw)
@@pixelgamerpro1597 Ooooh, def gonna have to read that, grew up with the og series and loved it.
@@VelaiciaCreatorThere's the original 5 book series (Percy Jackson and the Olympians), and then there's Heroes of Olympus (also 5 books) which features Roman AND Greek mythology. Following that, there's the Trials of Apollo (5 books) where Apollo is the main character and Percy is only in the background. Rick also wrote a standalone book about Nico Di Angelo called The Sun and the Star, and another standalone called The Chalice of the Gods - about Percy getting recommendation letters from gods to attend demigod college.
Set in the same universe, there's also a series about Norse mythology (3 books), and Egyptian mythology (3 books).
@@shawtywiththesolluxpfp618 Sick! I've run low on reading material, only really had this one weekly translation of a light novel series from Japan for a bit. I could ofc just re-read my library, but I am starving for continuance or something new.
I think both series have interesting worlds and histories without the main characters. It's also interesting how easy it would be for a fan to imagine themselves in those worlds. (HP fan as a student in hogwarts, pjo fan as a demigod in either of the camps.) The pjo books that have short stories in them expand the world in a very interesting way as well. As a fan of a particular side character in pjo (Will Solace, head of apollo cabin and the head medic at 16), I've been really interested in the camp, and things the side characters are going through in the titan war for example. When some of the campers disappeared, dead or betraying their siblings and friends who they had known for a long time and percy was presumed dead what was the average camper feeling? And in the battle of manhattan, the battle at the bridge hit me hard the first time i read it.
i so badly wish we’d gotten to see the everyday life of the characters in riordanverse. with harry, we had 6 books to watch the characters go to class, fight with teachers, get tangled in love triangles, etc. and that’s so interesting when you care about the characters and it’s well-written at the same time. with pjo, the characters are on quest literally all the time. and i’d honestly love to also watch everyone’s teenage drama rather than just “percy made a mess at a school, arrives at camp, finds out things suck, goes on on quest to fix them, succeeds, he’s back, end of book”.
but then again, i don’t think it would be as interesting as with harry potter because of the differences in world-building. not much is happening at camp unless everything is awful. however, i stull think it’d be cool of maybe percy stayed there one time for a full year, maybe between sea of monsters and the battle of the labyrinth, so we can see more of his everyday life there. i mean, that year is covered by three books anyway. so we can see training, how they plan the future of the war, learn more about the other campers, etc.
I have read a lot of books, so seeing a video like this was pretty cool.
Though, there are some series I wish were talked about more. Like The Underland Chronicles, The Magic Thief books, The Kane Chronicles, and the land of stories saga.
idk why but it feels like no one talls about the underland or kane chroniceles cause both are sooo goood(btw by underland chronicles im guessing u r talking about gregor the overlander) i havents read the magic thief books but i have another series to read now so thank you
A Gregor the overlander series done right would be absolutely insane
I prefer PJO overall, I just found most of it a lot more compelling and you could tell that everything was thought out and linked. Percy as a character is definitely favorable over Harry to me as well
Really interesting take! I always liked about Harry Potter that he needed to be very skilled AND extremely lucky, I think it adds to the realism. I didn´t think the Elder Wand twist came out of nowhere at all, it came out of his choice to pursue Horcuxes, not Hallows; to fight Voldemort instead of seeking power himself, out of trusting and being able to forgive Dumbledore.
It’s a lot more believable tbh than 12-year old Percy Jackson with maybe a week of sword practice defeating the literal God of War in a fight.
Percy Jackson played down its villains massively and always made them relatively easy to defeat (except for Atlas, I’ll concede). It’s one of the few problems I always had with the series.
@@Doomzdehoh god yes,that beating Ares was so stupid I was poker faced the entire time
I love PJO but this is the issue that I have with the series. They downplay the villains so much like how weak are these gods (yeah GODS) that they get their arses beaten by a 12 y/o ? (teenager in the later books)
Percy feels like an OP protagonist while Harry is not that OP, he's lucky, yes, but not OP. Imagine if Harry doesn't have the "luck" (for example, getting help from other characters just in time to save himself), he would've died in the first year.
Also, the villains in HP (Voldemort, death eaters, etc) feel like they really are capable to kill Harry anytime if he isn't lucky enough. Ain't no way Harry could've defeated them with a sword (or a spell in his case). Though, the villains in PJO have clearer and more relatable/reasonable motivation in my opinion.
6:44 About the Golden flames. According to Olivander (correct me if I’m wrong), when Harry and Voldemort had their duel in the graveyard, Harry’s wand absorbed some of Voldemort’s powers. So from that point if, specifically, Harry is pointing his wand at, specifically, Voldemort, it’ll produce these golden flames as a defense mechanism basically. (Again correct me if I’m wrong)
To correct you, it has this effect cause the core of the wands are feathers of the same phoenix, the pet of Dumblembore, so if Harry and Voldy fight with the wands it does this I think cause they don't wanna "hurt or fight" each other but the affect is to "rewind" spells and since Voldy uses a lot the death spell and doesn't cast magic in a long time, the "ghosts" of Cedric and Harry's parents are there. I don't like this and some other moments in the saga 'cause luck is used so much in these parts like this one
Purely power wise
In the fourth or the fifth book (I forget which one) Percy bathed in the river Styx making him completely impenetrable
So in the confines of the first pjo series Percy is more powerful
Not to mention he has the capacity to create a Hurricane around him. It drains his energy but As far as I know, Harry doesn’t have any spell to control that
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In heroes of olympus he looses this, but it comes with the ‘Percy you can blood bend and poison bend’
we’ve only seen poison, but blood is closer to water than poison is so yk yk
@@xsxeno ya but we’re only talking about the og series
@@the_idiot_eris5029 first series he clears defo. The curse of Achilles is literally what allows him to destroy so many people. I mean, if he bested hades (allbeit not at his true power and stuff but whatever) what gives harry anything to be stronger?
I personally think their both great mcs but Percy is the funniest 😂
OF COURSE, he's funnier
As if Harry isn't the sassiest person in the multiverse.
@@sanjoykumardas4018I think percy is more sassy
@@trentintoof1465 Persassy
@@tacocat1070This deserves a pin 😭❤️❤️
@@sanjoykumardas4018 Percy sent Medusa's head to Olympus just because he was in a bad mood while Zeus wanted his head definitely Percy is more daring.
I would like to say that Percy ultimately does have more time with the audience than Harry. He has the original five books and then he’s in 4 of the 5 Heroes of Olympus books plus he had those little short stories with the Kanes and that cameo in Magnus Chase and Trials of Apollo and now there’s Chalice of the Gods. Just wanted to point out that Percy definitely has more time with the audience than Harry, but I pretty much agree with everything else.
I personally have to say Percy. As much as I loved the Harry Potter books (and oh how I did), to me, Percy is not only the better and more likable protagonist, but also just a more relatable character over all. Yes, we seem to know Harry better since things don't seem to happen around him as quickly as around Percy and so we have more time to get to know him, if you look at Percys reaction to certain events closely, especially in the HoO series, you realize that he also is affected by what's happening around him. He goes though lots and lots of trauma and just doesn't have time to cope so he has to live with the consequences.
Also I personally just think Percy has the better character development throughout the series. Whilst yes, Harry does change throughout the books, to me it always seemed like the main thing going on with him was that he didn't like the fame he was exposed to and never will like it. For him to change his opinion about another character it seemed like that characters attributes had to be shoved in not only his but also the readers face. Percy on the other hand keeps his funny personality but obviously grows older throughout the books. His opinions also don't usually change as rapidly as Harrys but rather slowly (referring to the gods here). Anyways that's just my opinion and how I personally remember things happening.
I love Percy but it also needs to be said that harry potter fanfiction is so much better than percy jackson fanfiction (Manacled anyone?). I think it has to do with the fact that i only care about percy and the rest of the demigods, but i dont really care about Harry as a person. In the case of Harry Potter's world, i dont really care about who the main character is as long as the worldbuilding and plot is good, but i mostly enjoypercy jackson for the compelling characters and relationships
true tho pjo fanfics all suck nohate tho cause if i tried making one it would probably cause WW3
i think its because harry poter has been around way more time and way more people have read it and to write fanfiction about percy jackson you need to be realy educated about greek mythology but in harry potter you can make up anything its magic@@aaronsadaquath7319
I agree. I prefer PJO canon, but HP fanfiction is honestly so much better
I think its better because the fandom has to pick up the slack from JKR. The HP universe is never really fleshed out, and the marauders esp aren’t. So the fandom creates their own stories that do what HP couldn’t. PJO (at least to me) does a great job of fleshing out the world and the characters, so there’s no need to create my own stories because PJO already did all of it. (I do love dark percy fics tho🤭Falling For You🔛🔝)
@@DonutsAgainstHumanity Falling for you is AMAZING and is honestly the Magnus opus of our fandom' fanfiction
Here’s the thing, I never read Harry Potter in its entirety because I got bored a few chapters in, like halfway. I’m obsessed with the PJO universe so I’m biased as hell and everything I say should be taken with a grain on salt.
Now in my opinion from just the start of the two books, I like PJO better. Maybe it’s due to the less time and things have to be pushed out faster but the opening lines are iconic to me personally while I don’t remember practically anything about Harry Potter. The only thing I remember about it was there was a goblin or smth along the lines of it. Which yknow that’s what you learn in like English class, you have to have a good hook/topic sentence. PJO kills it for me every time.
Also I think I don’t care how much of a deep character Harry is. Like yeah your diving into his character more which is good don’t get me wrong but if you don’t have a good world building, explanation or smth that isn’t a plot device then I don’t care how deep your character is. You should have both to be at the same level of interest. PJO is always mostly consistent with this having Percy be an actual person in the middle of godly shit while tryna figure out how to not die. He doesn’t get as much depth but I liked him having a consistent character and lines that match the story then just plot device after plot device.
I enjoy Harry more; while I don't recall all of their books, Percy comes off as more casual and humorous, while Harry is more amazed at his world and serious.
And I need someone to adapt the Charlie Bone series. Seriously.
Jesus, read the first book, liked it a lot, but the moment I finished high school i soppted reading for pleasure all together, too much reading for university projects and whatnot, I lost track of the series.
I think Harry besides the plot armour is a more deeper character, he is flawed. For instance there are several points where Harry's flaws were disastrous. Percy on the other hand is incredibly likable and heroic- someone a child could look up to!
Lets not pretend Percy is flawless. His “fatal flaw” is loyalty, which doesn’t sound too bad until you realize that he is actually loyal to a fault🙃He would (and he has) put himself and others in danger to save someone close to him. It’s called a fatal flaw for a reason😭😭
As far as flaws go if you are a decent person, that's a flaw people are okay with.@@DonutsAgainstHumanity
DUDE. imagine a dark sorceror killed ur aunt, then ur uncle and then ur cousins and then ur grandparents you'd be terrified of him right ?
and then one faithful day he suddenly dissapears, you'd be happy?
eventually the man would be a distant thought, a nightmare but at the same time something that people use a lil' too often for creating drama and gaining power, something that makes an unfair advantage to a lot of people passively.
then one day a child (who is a beacon of partiallity and favourism) suddenly says that the man is back from the dead ? would u belive him ?
I wouldn't: and that doesnt make me stupid, it makes me thoughtful also the fact that everyone was shaken up by trust issues in the wizzard community makes it more beiiveable
PJ was written in a way a child could understand easily whereas HP was way more complex and needed much more time to be understood, sorta like a a chapter from eng literature
AND THE LOVE INTREST THING?? man ginny had a crush on harry since DAY ONE BOOK ONE, the moment she entered she had a thing and then harry was like sad and vulnerable and he turned to the girl who used to have a crush on him for years but started liking someone else only recently. you know...... typical and a VERY HARRY POTTER THING TO DO
Didn't he hold short grudges against anyone she dated? Especially after the inevitable breakups?
Percy definitely because in both the books and movies harry got extremely lucky most of the time I would say about 75% or a little lower.
Facts Harry Also never trained or did anything that explored and pushed his powers unlike Percy
I love both dearly with all my heart. Harry Potter was one of my first loves speaking of bookseries when I was in third grade, when my older sister when into the library with me and basically pushed the book into my hands. I met two of my closest friends because one of them was reading Harry Potter to the other on the schoolyard.
But Percy Jackson... the first time I took the first book into my hands was when I went to the frankfurter book convention with my mom when I was 11 or 12 and she wanted to browse on her own and sat me down at a stand with children books. Sadly that day you couldn't buy the books except if the author was there to sign them, but shortly after I got the books.
Me having ADHD might be one of the reasons I just instantly loved Percy Jackson. It was just so relatable to me, finally someone who struggles with the same things I struggle with - and then even shown as something that gives you advantages.
I'm 22 now, and I still love both series dearly. I dragged my friend - the one I met due to her reading Harry Potter - into Percy Jackson.
I so much agree with the part that Wizarding world is intriguing without Harry and the Olympian world without Percy is something I don't care too much about.
ok but in my opinion for me its the opposite it might be cause im biased and its been a while since i have read hp but i have read all the sequels of pjo and hp and honestly i liked the pjo sequels more even if percy wasnt even mentioned for example the kane chronicles
and then you are rewarded with a crosover in demigods and magicians@@aaronsadaquath7319
I disagree with that. The HP universe is just the wizard world (which is small too! Just Hogwarts, Diagon alley, and that one town they go to sometimes.) But PJO is not only greek/roman demi-gods but also norse demi-gods and magicians! The Gods too! Even regular mortals are interesting, because some are clear sighted. And the world isn’t limited too 3 places, they actually go all over the world. And to Olympus, the Underworld, and Tartarus. There’s so much potential in the PJO universe and its used, there’s so many interesting stories in the PJO universe that never mention Percy/mention him rarely. (Kane Chronicles, Magnus Chase, The Sun and The Star, trials of Apollo, etc.) Do you see any of that in HP? The world of HP starts and stops with Harry, the Fandom makes the world interesting, but the canon does not.
One of the things I think is so compiling about Percy Jackson was he was like so many of us with dyslexia (I was in middle school and had my sister read the books to me) and ADHD. It was not just one but a group of kids who was like us. It gave us a hope that we can be more then our disability
When Walter scobell said that he could beat harry I SAW RED
I am a bigger and longer fan of Percy Jackson than Harry Potter. I saw Percy Jackson when it first went on DVD when I was a teenager. Harry Potter on the other hand, I didn't see at as a kid and didn't watch any of HP until I was in my late 20s after the Beauty And The Beast live action remake cause I was becoming a big fan of Emma Watson.
I read both series, Harry Potter and Percy Jackson and to me I liked Percy Jackson more. Idk if it is because I read the pro series after I read Harry Potter and so it is more fresh in memory even tho I read it like 2 years ago. For me, it just felt more relatable read the pro series and it is probably because of how it is told as Percy’s voice is just relatable. Also, like you said Percy’s powers seem more natural and devolved but Harry’s powers are kinda forced and tbh we barely got to see Harry’s power. I mean Hermione basically did all the spell casting for Harry so we never really saw the extent to Harry’s power unlike Percy’s in which every thing fits. Like Annabeth does all the planning and Percy plays it out with the help of Grover and Annabeth and they all basically have a part to play. There is much more I wanna say but ima just leave it here. Please respect my opinion.
I think most of your points are spot on. I've read both the books growing up and plan to continue to do so as I get older just for fun but understanding the time and context as well as who the story was written for is important too.
Rowling's work was exploratory and born out of personal struggle, whereas Riordan's story was seemingly lighter and meant for his children. That may be reductive but that does play a factor into why the heroes are the way they are. I will always love both of them though.
But in terms of worldbuilding, I would say that I rather enjoy the worldbuilding in Percy Jackson's as well. Visually, the Wizarding World is stronger since most of the setting and production was literally built from the ground up, whereas Riordan's world is mostly set in America making it easier to envision. However, he does add elements to it that I feel could have been portrayed in the movies much better (for example, besides Camp Half-Blood, there is the Roman Camp, the various tools, battle settings, and hidden worlds i.e. the Labrynth in the 4th book) and that's what I am hoping will shine through to the TV series as well.
Thanks for the engaging video! So excited to see where the show goes! :)
I think a big part of what separates Percy from Harry is Percy’s humor and charisma- Harry doesn’t have those qualities as much
You clearly haven’t read the Harry Potter books in a long time; Harry makes tons of jokes in them. He just doesn’t do it at literally every stage of a chapter like Percy does; he allows the emotions of a scene to run their course every now and then.
Not to say I don’t like Percy Jackson; I just find the humor to be too much like Marvel Humor. Nothing can ever be serious because Percy is always comparing them to ridiculous things in his head or saying some reference. The issue is less present in the later books, but it’s still kinda there.
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@@DoomzdehPercy Jackson need the humor to function imo, with the constant near death stuff and all kinds of other pretty sad things going on, it would just be quite depressing if the chapters went in the same style that Harry potters did
Percy Jackson
I May be yelled at for this
Harry has no balls
Also harry knows like 3 spells in total
I mean your not wrong 😂
Oh, yeah Harry DEFINITELY taught highly advanced kids Defense while just knowing three spells. And seriously, what the heck does no.3 have to do with any of this!?
I find it so odd how he's supposedly super powerful yet jk did nothing but give anything super big to other characters (Hermione, Dumbledore etc) yeah don't make him OP but any development harry had ability wise was immediately backtracked and disregarded.
I admit 5th book he had a wide arsenal of spells but in the seventh book it was only explelliarmas
Harry faces The Dark Lord alone with a broken leg. But suuuuure.
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Read the books bruh. "Master of Death" is just a myth. What saved Harry was nothing but the protection Lily gave her. The day Voldemort returned using Harry's blood in GoF, voldemort extended the protection (which Lily gave on that tragic night she died) and kept it inside her. And that protection guards Harry from Voldemort.
This is what the protection does: It makes you invulnerable from Voldemort as long as you are with someone who shares the same blood as Lily's. And there was Lily which protected Harry when he was 1 year. And in rest of his life, Petunia did the work. And in the Forbidden Forest, Voldemort did the job. This is the very reason why Dumbledore sent Harry to die. He knew Harry will survive there from the 4th book
Thank you!
I'm so tired of people who didn't read the books complaining about Dumbledore kept returning Harry to the Dursleys or why didn't Voldemort attack Harry while he was at the Dursley.
Like, read the books!
I really don't like to compare, since they're both very interesting and likeable characters from my two favourite fandoms, but I prefer Percy because he is witty, and his fatal flaw is loyalty, which says a lot about him. Also, the fact that the 'best house is Gryffindor' means that Harry and 99% of the main characters have now got to be in Gryffindor, whereas Percy Jackson gets to be unique in a different way to Harry by being the son of Poseidon, yet not too special, as there are other kids of the big 3. I find Harry very likeable, but I feel like everyone expected him to be great from the start (bar the Dursleys) but Percy was expected to be the son of some minor god. Also, Harry needs a better sense of humour. This comment sounds like I dislike Harry Potter, which is very much incorrect. There are a lot of great things about Harry Potter, and a lot of downsides to Percy Jackson, I'm just pointing out the things that prove my point.
Edit- I literally forgot about Percy giving up immortality for Annabeth-
ah, both of them have my heart. i started reading at a very young age and harry potter was like my 3rd serie.. since then i started really REALLY love reading, spending entire days to read, discovering fandoms, ecc. so the serie litterally shaped me.. but then came percy jackson right after hp... and that was the end. personally, as an only child, i would LOVE to have percy as a big brother, with his silly and caring energy, a sarcastic and friendly person that can make me laugh easely. i just feel connected to percy in a way i didn't with harry, maybe because percy in more relatable and we get to know his thoughts in first person.
edit: if you ask my to describe percy's personality i could talk for hours. i you ask me about happr's personality i really don't know how to say other than actual facts of his life
It also makes sense why youhave teenager thrust into deadly adventures. Cause they attract that mythological creatures, they have to learn to survive. less weird that hogwarts being deadly.
Alsop harry never deals in his world supremacy.
As someone who is a fan of both, Percy is definitely better
I do think book Percy and book Harry are very similar characters, both of them are quite sarcastic and got snark while very kind and caring at the same time.
All I know is I've read the entire Percy Jackson series (including the Heroes of Olympus) several times: can read them twice a year. But I've only read Harry Potter once and I'm not sure if I want to reread anytime soon. I guess I just love the way Rick Riordan writes. Other books where "Percy" narrates are also top of my list (Greek Heroes and Greek gods, Demigod diaries)
I absolutely love both. they are both comfort things for me, but i do have to say Percy is better because of the story line and he isn't selfish and cares a lot and the story itself is just incredible. i could say so much more but yea
Not to be mean but are Harry selfish
@@Skilbred_M i was saying percy is more selfless. not that harry sn't just that oercy is more
@@aniruby-chb_ ok my bad
I don't want to start a war but I would say this
Percy Jackson is a great protagonist.
But Harry Potter has got better side characters.
Tamia seems like this comparison is based on book Percy Jackson, and movie Harry Potter. He mentions a lot of things that he just doesn’t understand about the books of Harry Potter and brushes them off as plot devices when in the book, they are flushed out and explained as part of the plan from the beginning
Btw Percy would totally win, in the Heroes of Olympus series it is said that he could control the blood in people’s viens but he doesn’t use it because Annabeth is terrified of it
Personally I way prefer Percy Jackson, might be a little biased since I am a Greek/roman nerd
I hate it to see 2 of my favorite book series fandoms go to war while I’m just like in the middle
I personally liked the PJO series better not because of the writing and all but because Percy is much more light-hearted and full of jokes and sass whereas Harry is just being angsty all the time. He does have some really happy moments but not where I would laugh out loud.
The fact that I just wrote an entire 5 page essay on this debate for one of my English college classes
Pjo!
it just stuck and grew with me, while HP was done and forgotten 👀 (i’m only talking about the books and my personal opinions)
I’ve been reading these comments, and I have some thoughts because I too think I am correct.
In terms of who’s gone through more crap, Harry wins childhood trauma (things that happened before their respective series beginnings) but Percy definitely wins overall. I’m sorry, but nothing Harry went through compares to Tartarus. Not gonna happen. Put on top of that being told constantly and having the mindset that you won’t live to adulthood cause monsters will hunt you down before then? Or loosing 8 months of your life because your aunt wanted to prove a point?
More likeable? Percy imho. I’ve always been a sucker for sarcastic and quippy, and that’s Percy’s specialty. But also when he gets serious, he gets DEADLY serious. I enjoy that as well. He’s a badass, and he knows it. Harry? He can do incredible things, but he rarely acknowledges the coolness of it, and like the video points out, it’s also often dumb luck.
2:29 In my eyes, Percy is the clear victor when it comes to a fight between Harry. It's not even close. If they're by a source of water, it's a complete and utter stomp, but even if they aren't it's not that close. Percy is able to react to and deflect lightning, which travels at 270,000 mph. The speed of sound is around 767 mph. There is no way in hell spells travel this fast, as wizards, who are not physically superior to muggles, can dodge them. And as we see when Percy went up against the Egyptians, and when the demigods easily resisted the spell that put all of Manhattan to sleep, they are quite resistant to magic. And, all demigods have superhuman strength and durability. Percy can lift a car. He can leap hundreds of feet. He can stagger a 100 foot metal automaton with a single blow. He can shrug off hits from beings that can shake entire mountains with a single blow. Not to mention, Percy can control saliva and tears. Harry is an above average wizard with an average physique. Against someone like Dumbledore, Percy might struggle. But in a fair fight with Harry, not really. And his power level fits in incredibly well into the story. He's strong enough to overcome the adversity he faces without plot devices, but he's not overpowered. He still needs his friends, his allies. He still needs to beat his opponents with cleverness and quick thinking. He can't just bulldoze his way through everything. It's awesome.
When it comes to who the deeper character is, I have to give it to Harry. He just had way more time to develop compared to Percy. That doesn't mean Percy is a shallow character, he's still a complex character, but he just didn't have enough time to get to the level of Harry. But to me, even without as much depth, I still connect to Percy more than I connect to Harry. Percy just has this charisma about him, and his quick wit and sarcasm is incredibly indearing. I just plain like him more than I do Harry.
When it comes to world building, Harry Potter wins by a landslide. The wizarding world is far bigger, far more complex, and far more interesting on its own. Of course, the Percy Jackson world building is done incredibly well. Rick Riordan did an incredible job fitting ancient mythology into the modern era. But to me, the wizarding world is huge, with lots of things to explore, even without Harry. Perhaps more so without Harry. But a major part of the mythological world is Percy himself. Without him, it is not as interesting to me. The worldbuilding is less deep.
I personally think Harry Potter is better because there are so many more characters that Harry meets and befriends and I feel like there are so many more tiny details that complete the story and bring it full-circle. Also I haven’t finish the Percy Jackson series yet, which I think says a lot about the intriguing factor and that one thing that makes you just wanna read on. Don’t get me wrong tho I do love both series
I read Harry Potter first and I loved the books but reading Percy Jackson IN MY OPINION was much more interesting and fun.
I thought the characters were better and I liked the amount of books and even the companion novels gave great stories and developed the characters more.
Some side stories even play an important part of the main plot and the Kane Chronicles and Magnus Chase series were also AMAZING.
I understand your point of view as well because I also enjoyed the Harry Potter series.
I love both series and all, but my problem with Harry was how isolated he was. Apart from Ron and Hermione, Harry didn't really have any friends. The rest of the Weasley's we're just like your friend's siblings, no actual bonds, Luna wasn't really close like that, and that's it. At least with Percy, we see what more relationships, especially in HOO with the 7 staying friends
Percy meets a lot of characters in the Heroes of Olympus, I mean a lot of them.
personally, i couldn't get into harry potter. it was a struggle to get into book 2 and 3 and i stopped halfway into book 3 because i was so bored. with percy, i just devoured that series. it made me fall in love with reading. i just couldn't get into harry potter
i think its just a book not for people who want action i agree with you@@arabbarbiedoll
I love both Harry Potter and Percy Jackson equally and differently. Both are great protagonists in their own story. However, if I had to choose as my favorite protagonist I chose Harry Potter over Percy Jackson. Again I love them both, but on a personal level I find myself more related to Harry because he doesn't have both his parents in his life while Percy has his mom and eventually a good step-father, Paul Blofis. Plus, Harry is a much more flawed character than Percy, in my opinion. I don't care about the character’s power level. I care about the character’s personality and story.
I think Harry is better because he has a realistic character like he has his good parts and bad parts, his flaws include his short temper, anger issues, etc but he’s also brave, loyal and kind.
Percy? What’s his flaw? Being too loyal? Why is his flaw being too good? Are they trying to say he’s literally perfect? That’s not a realistic character.
Blud, Every Demigod have fatal flow, It depend on Godly parents
Poseidon's kids are too loyal, 'Too Loyal' isn't a good point 😂
Did you read HoH ? If you want to read Bad side of Percy 😂😂
I love both for different reasons. If I had to choose: I prefer the world building in HP and the story and characters of PJO and HoO.
Percy is a better character, but I feel that Harry Potter as a series is less character based then Harry Potter so it’s kind of evens out in my opinion.
Will their be a movie franchise for the Kane Chronicles. I've read the last my cousin owns, TWICE, and feel like there should be movies for that thing. And I swear Percy ain't a main character for Heroes of Olympius.
There is going to be one on Netflix
There are 7 (well, 10, kinda) main characts in hoo and ye percy is one
I loved Kane Chronicles! It's so underrated!
I love those,including the Hard Magic.
As a kid, I liked the characters of HP more than PJO because everyone of them was given a distinct "voice", from their characterization to their humor. The HP characters were far more memorable than the PJO ones. All the PJO characters felt very bland by comparison because everyone had the same "smartass" quirky personality. I initially liked PJO, but then the Heroes of Olympus came up and by that time it was just dragging off the characters in so many different directions for the plot that I couldn't keep track of the actual character part.
Harry also felt more realistic. He's not a hero, he never wanted to be, we get to see his inner turmoil and frustrations, especially in the 5th book (and the part where he sees his dead parents in the mirror the 1st book). He's stubborn, gets angry, is sometimes selfish and/or foolish, and is not the one to always save the day. Then I was also biased because of the change in tone and gradual darkness and tension from the fifth book onwards, while PJO didn't have the same shift in stakes or tension.
As a protagonist for a fantasy series, Percy is better. But as a character, Harry is better.
I don't really have much of a connection with either HP or PJO anymore, but I remember having these thoughts while reading these books in school. I'd say I like the side characters of both series more than Harry or Percy. Annabeth and Reyna from PJO/HOO, and Hermione, the twins, Hagrid, and McGonagall from HP.
Percy also never wanted be a Demigod
Lol 😂
about Harry's power progression, I don't think it's that bad, he isn't the best wizard in the world, but he has developed extrordinary defense against the dark arts skills, which might actually BE best, either way, he won because of Voldemorts ignorance, Voldemort didn't think it'd matter that Malfoy disarmed Dumbledore because he thought blood had to be shed, and Dumbledore is the real mastermind behind the story, he has planned every moment of it except Malfoy being the owner of the wand.
As a Percy Jackson fan, I'm offended you used clips from that awful movie.
Anyways, Rick Riordan is writing a new set of books with Percy and the Trio. The first book is releasing THIS MONTH, so be on the look out.
When it comes to me personally I agreed with almost everything you said except the last part. I personally don't care much about the Wizarding world outside of Harry's story, I really tried to I tried reading the other books and watching the other movies or games but I just never really cared for them. When it comes to Percy's world I've read and loved or plan on reading everyone of them. Even books that are rarely mention him like the Magnus Chase books I've enjoyed and they still are part of that world🤔
Percy Jackson all the way
Percy not even QUESTION
Great video fam. The volume could be higher though.
The world of Harry Potter is so cool. I know it doesn't make any sense, and there's lots of problems with it, but it's just so fun to imagine yourself in. I don't really enjoy Harry Potter for the characters or plot as much as the fun world building and setting.
Percy Jackson, on the other hand, has such likable characters, and its so fun to watch them literally do anything. It's just got a better story to me. Personally, I think Percy Jackson is better
I have always perfered the Percy Jackson books, and heres why.
1: The Harry Potter books always start off super slow, and Im not saying Percy didnt but the action came a lot faster.
(Im using Pj for Percy Jackson and Hp for Harry Potter)
2: For me the Hp lore was really hard to follow, but the Pj lore wasnt
3:Hp was the 'chosen one' and everyone, even Draco, wanted to be his friend. Pj wasnt the only child who was born against the rules, making him less of the 'Im so special' type.
4: Hp was missing those character qualitys I love. Percy was witty, though seen as dumb a lot of the times, sarcastic, brave, humorous, ect. Hp shows little of those qualitys.
5: The ending. Endings are a big part of books, but Hp's sucked. Sorry no sorry.
6: Harry was.... grim. The feeling of the book had always seemed to me sad or grim, though there were some times it was happy.
7: Harrys past. Dead parents. Abusive aunt and uncle. A source of bullying. To those of you who go through this, I apologize if this is offensive, but it is overused. The amoumt of people who add this to their books is ridiculous. Percy was bullyed, and had a some what abusive step father, but the whole book wasnt based on it. In hp they always went back to the trama in one way or another. In Pj it was mentioned little, focusing on the other aspects of the book.
There are a few more, but this is where Im ending it.
-A Percy Jackson fan
I will die on a hill defending any of the Percy Jackson books against any Harry Poter ones
the hill part reminds me of thalia tho so tip do not turn into a pine tree
I dunno I’ve always preferred Harry Potter since it’s a fantasy created from scratch, while Percy Jackson is a fantasy inspired from Greek/Roman mythology a already developed world. Plus the idea that Greek gods would live in America because and I quote “it’s the heart’ of western civilisation” is the biggest joke to me, it’s such narcissistic American point of view especially if you’re European.
That doesn’t mean I hate Percy Jackson I loved it, but I wasn’t crazy about the slapstick humour, it kinda ruined scenes that could’ve been seen as heartfelt. However, I do love “the chosen one” prophecy was handled. And the villains where top tier!
The reason I really like Harry as a character is because he has a lot of flaws he isn’t always likeable and isn’t the strongest, it really humanises him.
A big criticism I hear about Harry Potter is that he doesn’t try and change the ministry, but why should he? The ministry is a perfect reflection of the House of Commons and if Harry did decide to change everything because he decides so then he wouldn’t be different from Voldemort, it would be a dictatorship decided on his ideals, for example Harry would probably want to legally allow werewolf in hospital or give them easier access to wolfsbane, but there are a lot of ‘not death eater’ who would disagree. Harry can’t force a bunch of bigots to change there mind.
Plus let’s be honest if I were him I’d also want to get married and enjoy a simple life instead of continuously fight and sacrifice the rest of my life to help others. He’s already sacrificed his parents for the wizarding world then he lost his father figures “Dumbledor, Lupin, Sirius” in the second one.
However, both series are great both have compelling plot and characters, do I prefer Harry ‘yep’ but Percy is also pretty neat. However, The Hobbit, Lord of the rings and the The Silmarillion will always hold my heart for n1 best Fantasy series in the world, with best movie adaptation.
While i kinda agree with the whole fact that J.K was very good at world building, she used a lot of things from greek mythology too, but i do understand your point
Many children like the Supernational Investigations series now. It is read in many schools. There is also a movie planned and when the first trilogy is complete (There will be more trilogies) I hope Amari (The main character) Will be bring in in the Percy vs Harry debates.
I always found Harry's personality, especially in the later books, to be quite exhausting in a way that ultimately bogged the books down. Especially since the later books spent less time on the actual world building and more time dealing with teenage drama and the school system that, as a British kid, the Harry Potter school is just far too true to life, and i am someone who reads to escape (its the reason i gravitate towards scifi and high fantasy in particular). If I wanted British teenagers with daddy issues and recently deceased friends or relatives struggling with GCSEs and romance and friendships, I didn't really have to go that far. Plus, it was spread across more people, one friend had a chaotic romantic life, lots of my classmates had absent or occasionally dead parental figures. None of my classmates died, but one of their younger siblings did. And well, we had GCSEs approaching. Those are just more mundane OWLs. Even the age you take them at is the same. Heck, we even had the chemistry teacher no one liked and I have definitely heard her be compared to Snape. Maybe it was just the time of life I was reading those books, but they just didn't excite me all that much.
Percy jackson and his extended universe, however, I really loved. His school life was not only something I wasn't too familiar with, but it also wasn't a key feature of the story. His personality remained sarcastic, witty and sassy, keeping the tone much lighter and more easy to read, even when tackling darker subject matter. And I found out about it during my stereotypical queer Greek mythology phase, so yeah. (I basically kinned Hestia and Artemis as a teenager and I am not ashamed.)
So yeah, I read Harry Potter for its whimsical world and started to loose interest when it stopped focusing so much on the world on more on this angsty teenager in a school far to similar to the one I was trying to escape from by reading fantasy in the playground.
Percy jackson, I read because I was pulled I by his character, amd kept reading because I cared about him and his friends in a way that I couldn't bring myself to care for the Harry Potter characters. It also helped that percy didn't feel quite so special, in that there were 3 other candidates towards his prophecy and he got stuck with it coz they all found ways to duck out or were just younger than him.
There's also just less stuff in the percy jackson universe that just made me feel icky. Multiple things in Harry Potter made me wanna strangle the wizards and yell at them about this being the end of the 20th century and we are beyond this in this part of the world please just stop.
I love Harry Potter but it does not stand a single chance against PJO. In terms of our main character I have to say that although book Harry is better than movie Harry, he's still more of a y/n type. Like he usually doesn't have his own opinions but rather reacts to other characters' opinions. I'm sure I don't need to explain how Percy is different from that. Like imagine if Katniss Everdeen had no opinion on the capitol💀 also Harry deciding to become an Auror is the same as if Percy chose to become a god. Like that's goofy af. The power levels are also just nooot comparable. Like Harry isn't even one of the greatest wizards out there. He's the ONLY chosen one, which is just not a thing in PJO. Without naming names other characters could have been the chosen one. However, Percy's power levels rise according to a compelling main character and chosen one. That's one of the things that I really miss from Harry. Like once you read about Percy mowing through thousands of enemies (besides fighting the god of war at the ripe age of 12!!!) every single battle Harry fights is boring af.
In terms of writing, the villains are so much more interesting. Voldemort is literally just wizard Hitler. Like that's neither creative nor compelling. Like the gods are much more complex compared to him. Why does Voldemort hate muggles? Well they're inferior.... And he's racist ig. Why does Kronos hate the gods and thus cause the issues of the first 5 books? Cuz my man was literally chopped up and thrown into Greek hell even though in his opinion that wasn't right. Like.... I think one makes more sense right? Now Draco never became friends with Harry but he's kind of like Luke. However, Luke once again is much more compelling as to why he joins the bad side. Like I gen did not care about Draco but Luke explaining all his feelings made my heart ache even if he did several inexcusable things.
The world building is also much more interesting and fleshed out. I mean the Triwizard tournament already broke apart at trying to characterize two more Wizarding schools and for all the others we only got names on Pottermore that are frankly bland and once again uncreative. I mean yes, we also don't get to see ANY half blood camps in any other part of the world than America but the story doesn't call for it. With all the politics going on in the HP World you would really need that though.
I think both golden trios are really awesome tho. PJO still wins here as each character is much better on their own but both are really good (at least in the books, I won't forget how dirty the movies did Ron).
In terms of Hogwarts VS Camp Half-blood I don't wanna talk about the nature of them (school vs Camp) but how fleshed out they are. How alive they feel. With Camp Half-blood you get to know so many side characters and their stories. Not only that, but Camp Half-blood itself is a whole character. When Thalia gets poisoned and Camp gets sick it just hurts. When we read about the deaths after the battle of the labyrinth or in Manhatten your heart just breaks. Because we got to know so many people and it's much easier to imagine the rest of the casualties as people that have passed away. It's genuinely devastating to read about how much emptier Camp is afterwards. For Hogwarts you don't really get that. Sure, the main characters dying is sad. But that's about it. You generally feel sad for the losses but it's not such a gut punching feeling.
Could never see hp besting Pj. Hes got the curse of achilles. Lifted the sky. Stood toe to toe with kronos, atlas, and hyperion. I think you allowed your fandom to keep you balanced but you know inside that PJ is mopping the floor with the boy
I am totally a Percy Jackson fan and agree with the points here, though i think Harry Potter definetly wins in terms of more compelling world. It seems much more fun and exciting to be a wizard in a world with magic than being a demigod constantly fighting monsters for your life and dealing with stupid powerfull parents