Incase you didn't know Rowsfire, LighTake, NFstrike and WorkerKit are the same company are owned by the same company. The reason why you get different emails for product reviews is because there are multiple salesmen competing for commission. -Justin
Hmm....Maybe it's the flywheels. Metal flywheels have a terrible grip on darts. Try some Bulldogs or other smooth acetal wheels and maybe it'll work better.
According to NFStrike, those motors put out 1520 g-cm of torque. That's more than Neo-Hellcats, which go for $14/each, so $18/pair (current price on NFStrike) isn't too bad. It's also twice the torque of Neo-Rhinos or Krakens, which go for $8/each. Try putting some lighter wheels in there (Worker Aluminums are heavy AF) and see how the spinup time feels.
Valerie Lastname I agree, using slightly light wheels I’ve able to achieve about 150 average to all dart type, however I’ve gone through at least five pairs of worker motors and they don’t last as long as those to neo hellcats, which I’ve since swapped to and have had no issues and still maintaining the 150+ average
@@cjaussienerfer8169 Huh, interesting. How heavily did you use them before they wore out? Also, what cage+wheels did you use, and how did the spin up time compare to Neo-cats?
Something interesting to note is if you could use these motors on 2S at lower crush level. The stall current drops down to something reasonable, 28k RPM is still capable of supporting theoretically about 160~ FPS (though probably lower because the RPM will drop). And still around 1000 gf.cm of torque.
@@Flygonial 28k RPM and 34mm wheels means a no-load edge speed of 160 fps, yes, but edge speed starts to be a factor at around 20% no-load above glass ceiling (modern high-crush setups hit 160 fps with 33k RPM motors, but can hit 165-170 with Wolverines [www.reddit.com/r/Nerf/comments/81wzbr/170_fps_flywheel_no_eclipse_mtb_wolverines_black/]), so I'd expect around 130-140 with these motors, regardless of glass ceiling.
This is the kind of content I wish to see the most - solid review of stuff that is only described with broken English otherwise. Thanks! Definitely getting the cage. Do You think You could make a comparison of the motors and krakens/reVamps?
at 3s the motors have higher RPM then Krakens, and 2s reVamps, which is actually outside the sweet spot that MTB calculated for flywhell motors. They also are quite amp hungry in comparison. Also both Krakens and revamps are cheaper to purchase. Worker = 43000 rpm, 45 amp stall, torque 1520 Kraken = 35000 rpm, 26 amp stall, torque 740 reVamp = 37000 rpm, 28 amp stall, torque 500 So either the worker ones are super torquey or their number is incorrect...
Looking further their closest comparison would be Neo-Hellcats 36000 RPM, 40 amp stall, torque 1260. So I suppose the worker torque number may be correct.
Thanks for the review, you are the first person I have seen review the Kelly Industries circuit board. I found that to be of more interest to me than the cage which came in a close second. I will add my vote to a head to head comparison between these motors and the Kraken or Valkyries.
I'm pretty much getting the same performance with Krakens if not slightly worse. Same setup but with Krakens. Worker's motors are high rpm 180s. Why would higher spec-ed motors be worse than low spec? Worker 180s are spec-ed higher or at least the new ones are over Krakens.
Oh god, when the wheels stopped short in the first test my skin crawled. That horrible noise haunts me. "Is it shorting? Are my wheels fucked? Oh no oh no oh no"
Regarding the idea that the wheels add spin, my understanding is any addition of spin during the propelling process subtracts a certain amount of energy committed to forward momentum. Consequently, spin = lower fps, higher accuracy. I could be wrong about that.
So, yes on the Worker 42.5mm crush cage, no on Worker 3S motors of indeterminate specs, and possibly no on the Worker aluminum flywheels. They also make POM wheels with the same diagonal cut grooves if those actually put spin on darts, which could really only be confirmed by not using accustrike copies. 150 happens to be the cap for a lot of HvZ games as well as BTA 5v5 league play, but... there are quite a few other ways to get that performance using other set ups, so maybe it should just boil down to accuracy (wheels).
I have the worker cage that angles the motors. It works really well with 7.4 volts on 132 motors and the hex traction aluminum flywheels. It is comparably accurate with elites and still fires at a competitive 110 fps. Gonna switch to lipos eventually cause my stryfe is a blue one and the battery tray springs are wearing from age.
I ran with this setup and get some really disappointing results. My suspicion is that the wheel are just not cutting it. They don’t have enough friction to grab onto the darts even tho the cage is high crush. Accuracy is really bad for my case, I have darts going almost 90 degree left or right the moment they exit the barrel. Honestly, I agree with u that the original white plastic wheels are much better. The motors tho, they are just something else. 1590 g/cm of torque and 39A of stall current according to the customer support on TaoBao, these motors are no joke. The wheels are what’s holding this set up back, swap those stupid metal wheels for the white worker wheels and see what happens I guess
Sorry for the broken English, but you get my point: workers hit the home run with the motor and the cage this time, but in classic worker fashion, they screwed up something and it happens to be the wheels. Have fun flinging darts!
Nope. It's like, what, 3 wires and a switch? Just need basic soldering skills. Positive from battery to common on switch, normally open on switch to motors, negative from motors back to battery. That simple.
Walcom S7 Thanks. Also, what would be a good battery for this? I was extremely close to getting imrs but after reading some reddit posts I found out that they shouldn’t be used and now I’m confused on what I should get.
@@dudebro7227 You can barely fit a 950mAh one with a ton of cutting, it's a really tight fit at that: in fact I've only ever found one of my 4 identical lipos that would fit because it's a few mm smaller. There are plenty of Stryfe extended battery trays though, or more appropriately I'd pick up a battery stock.
@@dudebro7227 Depends on the motors. The S of a LiPo is how many cells it has and thus how much voltage it has. Motors are designed for different amounts of voltage. a Fang Revamp, which is a 2S motor, isn't exactly all that different performance wise from a Kraken which is a 3S motor. Historically, 3S motors have more torque.
Sorta. The distance between the flywheels (the, 'crush') is what gives it more power, though bigger/thicker flywheels adds more crush, as well as the weight of the flywheel for how fast it's spinning. It affects everything a little bit.
So good for accuracy but not for FPS? I really want to get into the hobby of modding my own guns, I've owned many over the past years and regret selling my Vulcan after seeing your video on it :(( I'm looking forward to modding my stryfe but I don't know exactly what motors to use... I would like a bit of FPS about what you were saying about hopping around 150 ish. Like I said I really just want something accurate so I don't have to point my stryfe 45 Degrees to get any further than 15 feet. Nice video, Keep it up!
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Incase you didn't know Rowsfire, LighTake, NFstrike and WorkerKit are the same company are owned by the same company.
The reason why you get different emails for product reviews is because there are multiple salesmen competing for commission.
-Justin
Of course I understand that, but I'm doing my best to make it fair for them.
honestly i dont even have a stryfe (i use the retaliator) and ive never modded a gun idk how im here. btw lovin the slow toriel theme.
Nice those flywheels so strong, they could crush my dreams.
oh yes they do, rip all my darts
Once again a simple video takes me far too long.
This is why we love you!
Could you through this in a commandfire or a dart zone destructor? Working on a crazy mod for both.
Hmm....Maybe it's the flywheels. Metal flywheels have a terrible grip on darts. Try some Bulldogs or other smooth acetal wheels and maybe it'll work better.
According to NFStrike, those motors put out 1520 g-cm of torque. That's more than Neo-Hellcats, which go for $14/each, so $18/pair (current price on NFStrike) isn't too bad. It's also twice the torque of Neo-Rhinos or Krakens, which go for $8/each. Try putting some lighter wheels in there (Worker Aluminums are heavy AF) and see how the spinup time feels.
Valerie Lastname I agree, using slightly light wheels I’ve able to achieve about 150 average to all dart type, however I’ve gone through at least five pairs of worker motors and they don’t last as long as those to neo hellcats, which I’ve since swapped to and have had no issues and still maintaining the 150+ average
So as much as they give more than neo hellcats, their reliability still needs working on
@@cjaussienerfer8169 Huh, interesting. How heavily did you use them before they wore out? Also, what cage+wheels did you use, and how did the spin up time compare to Neo-cats?
Something interesting to note is if you could use these motors on 2S at lower crush level. The stall current drops down to something reasonable, 28k RPM is still capable of supporting theoretically about 160~ FPS (though probably lower because the RPM will drop). And still around 1000 gf.cm of torque.
@@Flygonial 28k RPM and 34mm wheels means a no-load edge speed of 160 fps, yes, but edge speed starts to be a factor at around 20% no-load above glass ceiling (modern high-crush setups hit 160 fps with 33k RPM motors, but can hit 165-170 with Wolverines [www.reddit.com/r/Nerf/comments/81wzbr/170_fps_flywheel_no_eclipse_mtb_wolverines_black/]), so I'd expect around 130-140 with these motors, regardless of glass ceiling.
This is the kind of content I wish to see the most - solid review of stuff that is only described with broken English otherwise. Thanks!
Definitely getting the cage. Do You think You could make a comparison of the motors and krakens/reVamps?
at 3s the motors have higher RPM then Krakens, and 2s reVamps, which is actually outside the sweet spot that MTB calculated for flywhell motors. They also are quite amp hungry in comparison. Also both Krakens and revamps are cheaper to purchase.
Worker = 43000 rpm, 45 amp stall, torque 1520
Kraken = 35000 rpm, 26 amp stall, torque 740
reVamp = 37000 rpm, 28 amp stall, torque 500
So either the worker ones are super torquey or their number is incorrect...
Looking further their closest comparison would be Neo-Hellcats
36000 RPM, 40 amp stall, torque 1260. So I suppose the worker torque number may be correct.
It is good to have a lengthy video while being informative. Thank you for covering this product! I am very interested in the motor board.
Perhaps they the Sure Shot darts from Adventure Force/Dart Zone?
Thanks for the review, you are the first person I have seen review the Kelly Industries circuit board. I found that to be of more interest to me than the cage which came in a close second. I will add my vote to a head to head comparison between these motors and the Kraken or Valkyries.
I have a question.
Can you use worker flywheels on a normal Nerf motor and cage
Checking with Foamblast on that integrated XT60 connector in the battery tray. That is so PRO.
I love flywheel / cage reviews. Thanks for doing this one.
I'm pretty much getting the same performance with Krakens if not slightly worse. Same setup but with Krakens. Worker's motors are high rpm 180s. Why would higher spec-ed motors be worse than low spec? Worker 180s are spec-ed higher or at least the new ones are over Krakens.
Awesome flywheel setup from worker. Love your videos.
Ayo what difference does good flywheels do anyway,i mean its just the motor right?RIGHT?
crush does have diminishing returns as you increase cursh past a point. I plan on running this setup with Krakens.
Oh god, when the wheels stopped short in the first test my skin crawled. That horrible noise haunts me. "Is it shorting? Are my wheels fucked? Oh no oh no oh no"
Regarding the idea that the wheels add spin, my understanding is any addition of spin during the propelling process subtracts a certain amount of energy committed to forward momentum. Consequently, spin = lower fps, higher accuracy. I could be wrong about that.
worker motors have similar specs on 3s toNeo - Hellcats on 4s
Exactly!! Thats why they are filling a very interesting gap in the current flywheel motor market
Wooooooah where'd you get the 8 1/2 x11 sheet of motorboards. Oh and TS-100 is boss
So, yes on the Worker 42.5mm crush cage, no on Worker 3S motors of indeterminate specs, and possibly no on the Worker aluminum flywheels. They also make POM wheels with the same diagonal cut grooves if those actually put spin on darts, which could really only be confirmed by not using accustrike copies.
150 happens to be the cap for a lot of HvZ games as well as BTA 5v5 league play, but... there are quite a few other ways to get that performance using other set ups, so maybe it should just boil down to accuracy (wheels).
The 'no' on the motors wasn't really based on anything other than them not being from a US/australian manufacturer
I have the worker cage that angles the motors. It works really well with 7.4 volts on 132 motors and the hex traction aluminum flywheels. It is comparably accurate with elites and still fires at a competitive 110 fps. Gonna switch to lipos eventually cause my stryfe is a blue one and the battery tray springs are wearing from age.
what kind of flywheels besides these would you reccomend?
Will this work with a 2s lipo or will it only work with a 3s?
I ran with this setup and get some really disappointing results. My suspicion is that the wheel are just not cutting it. They don’t have enough friction to grab onto the darts even tho the cage is high crush. Accuracy is really bad for my case, I have darts going almost 90 degree left or right the moment they exit the barrel. Honestly, I agree with u that the original white plastic wheels are much better. The motors tho, they are just something else. 1590 g/cm of torque and 39A of stall current according to the customer support on TaoBao, these motors are no joke. The wheels are what’s holding this set up back, swap those stupid metal wheels for the white worker wheels and see what happens I guess
Sorry for the broken English, but you get my point: workers hit the home run with the motor and the cage this time, but in classic worker fashion, they screwed up something and it happens to be the wheels. Have fun flinging darts!
What is “crush”?
Is that how tightly the flywheels grab the dart or are we talking hardness of the metal?
crush is how close the flywheel surfaces are. the closer the flywheels, the higher the crush and therefore(generally) more velocity.
Might have to try this cage
Could you make a video comparing these motors to others in the same setup?
Captain Xavier will love that
I’ve been waiting to see a video on this cage, wasn’t sure if I was going to get it.
Is it hard to rewire a stryfe? I’m new to nodding and I bought this kit not knowing that i would have to rewire the blaster.
Nope. It's like, what, 3 wires and a switch? Just need basic soldering skills. Positive from battery to common on switch, normally open on switch to motors, negative from motors back to battery. That simple.
Walcom S7 Thanks. Also, what would be a good battery for this? I was extremely close to getting imrs but after reading some reddit posts I found out that they shouldn’t be used and now I’m confused on what I should get.
The link keeps on getting removed for some reason though
It’s a really cool and realistic nerf lever action rifle that is surprisingly powerful and accurate
How do you decide what size cage you need? 41.5mm - 43.5mm? Does this depend on motors and batteries?
Higher crush (41.5) requires more torque on the motors and yields higher FPS. Lesser numbers require less and contribute less FPS.
Hey, I want to mod a stryfe, for the entire thing (kit) I don’t want to spend over 100 but want really good fps etc. any recommendations
Ice Boxxer there is a sale now, you can get everything for $53,47 (€48,20).
Sorry i’m from the Netherlands, my English isn’t that good XD
Those flywheels are stronger than anime thighs. The crushing is immense.
Daybreaks can beat those, then succubus thighs can beat those
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I have a name for one of your gauntlets, hows does ‘Infinity’s Command’ sound to you?
can you replace a flywheel cage and flywheels without rewiring? i'm new to all this
No.
could you fit a 3s without cutting the battery tray a ton
@@dudebro7227 You can barely fit a 950mAh one with a ton of cutting, it's a really tight fit at that: in fact I've only ever found one of my 4 identical lipos that would fit because it's a few mm smaller. There are plenty of Stryfe extended battery trays though, or more appropriately I'd pick up a battery stock.
Walcom S7 ok cool cuz i'm tryna mid a stryfe it's my first time and i don't wanna do anything crazy. so i should just stick to a 2s or what?
@@dudebro7227 Depends on the motors. The S of a LiPo is how many cells it has and thus how much voltage it has. Motors are designed for different amounts of voltage. a Fang Revamp, which is a 2S motor, isn't exactly all that different performance wise from a Kraken which is a 3S motor. Historically, 3S motors have more torque.
The only disadvantage is that they are quite heavy,especially considering their size
You should record the unboxing of my package so you have supplies for the stream tonight...
I've already recorded it, I just haven't edited it yet.
@@WalcomS7 sweeeet, good enough for me! Looking forward to the stream. It keeps me going while I'm at work every Saturday night... haha
does the fly wheel make it more powerful
Sorta. The distance between the flywheels (the, 'crush') is what gives it more power, though bigger/thicker flywheels adds more crush, as well as the weight of the flywheel for how fast it's spinning. It affects everything a little bit.
It this a reference to the Captain?
The wheels are the problem and it needs 90 amps.
You need a higher CRUSH. The CRUSH is very important for high performance. These wheels are CRUSHY
They are not 180s ???
You could see that you have a “crush“ on this cage
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Does anybody have any idea why my stryfe has black dust in the barrel?( I think it’s my flywheels because the dust and wheels are the same color)
Like number 100!!! Cage looks good tho.
Thats not super crazy,ITS PRETTY CRAZY
These motors on a single stage cage are not a very good idea.
I thought ya might like it
So good for accuracy but not for FPS? I really want to get into the hobby of modding my own guns, I've owned many over the past years and regret selling my Vulcan after seeing your video on it :(( I'm looking forward to modding my stryfe but I don't know exactly what motors to use... I would like a bit of FPS about what you were saying about hopping around 150 ish. Like I said I really just want something accurate so I don't have to point my stryfe 45 Degrees to get any further than 15 feet. Nice video, Keep it up!
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Umm... its the same crush as the OFP Serenity Cage.. so its not really hard to get a good crush metal cage.