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As with all things please remember that we continue to wait for evidence to fully understand what happened in this situation but the initial reports said that drones were used to distract the ship while it was targeted with the missile. Obvs in real life there was no Su-25 attack that accompanied the missile strike but I wanted to see if we could pull it off. Thank you for watching and I'll see you in the next one.
I thought it was promoted to submarine?
Impressive low level skills, Su25 seems to like it down there too
This seems like a lot of effort. I was understanding that these ships sink themselves?
DCS is from russian software developer. maybe contain virus now and infect PC that use it
Wasn't the weather very foul that day? And didn't that help interfere with all but their close-in gatling defensive systems?
As a former sailor it pains me to think what that must have been like on that boat
Hey Sean can you give me a possible way out for moskava in that situation
Was there a way to save a ship that's so badly hit from being sunk
Or was there a way to do something once they detect incoming missile
As a former sailor you should be calling it a ship not a boat!!
@@Cookinoutdoorssome people from the Navy likes to call "ships" as "boats"
It's not the Moskva being destroyed. It's a special operation of freeing the Moskva of her buoyancy and ammunition.
special submerged operations
@UCeS3Nb9BRAO2AfB_LDrrcsw don’t forget Mao’s mars-based fleet of MiG 15s
It’s a special military operation to inspect the seabed
It wasn’t sunk, it was promoted to submarine
nice. 11/10 comment
The lesson of the Moskva is that subsonic sea-skimmers are actually more dangerous than higher flying supersonic missiles. The intercept to kill envelope on a supersonic missile is actually much larger, and the advance warning ends up being similar due to the horizon. There is a reason why the US Navy still loves the Harpoon.
Yep. People especially Indians cream their pants about hypersonic missiles. With sea skimmers you don’t know they are there until that last second.
Nah both are equally dangerous and have their own roles. A single supersonic hit causes significantly more damage which will require multiple subsonic hits due to the sheer kinetic energy. Also supersonic is much more difficult to defeat through last ditch defences like CIWS. If subsonic is more effective than supersonic there won't be a race for hypersonic
Us navy hasn't exactly been a big innovator, to be fair.
@@rameshb794 supersonic is actually fairly easily defeatable, literally just armor your ship.
Yes the kinetic energy is immense, however the missile itself is not equipped with a penetrative tip, as doing so would compromise payload significantly. If you had 12in of belt armor, you'd end up with a missile disassembling itself between 6-10in within the belt, protecting the ship.
Remember, modern missiles are designed to be used against unarmored modern warships. Something like a battleship from the WWII era would pose something of a challenge to them due to size and general survivability. Seeing that simulation, you should have clearly seen that belt armor would have saved Moskova.
@@OtterTreySSArmy yes, but armouring costs speed and agility due to weight increase and would pose a different set of challenges.
Hey Growling, I see you have misunderstood the situation. The Moskva didn't sink. It is currently running a Special Underwater Operation to Pacify the Black Sea.
Secret Russian Submarine technology
got us in the first half...
RT tweeted that Moskva was sunk on purpose because it had reached the end of its operational carrier xd
Yea, there are a bunch of nazis in the black sea too
Yep, it didn't sink, it only switched to stealth mode.
Saturation of the radar system is exactly why the Aegis system (USN) was developed. Not saying it is impossible to saturate - just that it would literally takes hundreds of potential targets, and there are filters they can use to not waste capacity on.
So yes, I would say it was a combination of old weapons technology, (lack of ) trained personnel, and weather conditions (along with the fact that even subsonic ASM's flying at 15m (lower on the attack run) are a very difficult target). Material condition and layout of the Moskva also played a part. A missile hit to an exposed SAM missile magazine would not be a good thing - this could make doing damage control almost impossible.
@@guinnog2 what does that have to do with the original comment? The russians shot down a 747... US shot down a airbus... what's your point? No system is ever perfect, christ every person alive finds that out in their teenage years
I think all those defensive systems are pure propaganda from all nations, the Iraqi airforce manage to hit an american frigate with 1 single exocet... same for the brits
@Nphekt Thanks Israel!
Brahmos supersonic cruise missile when fired 2 dozen are ripple fired, can saturate the defense of any carrier group throughout the world. And ucoming hypersonic brahmos 2 would only need a dozen.
@@shahrukh3542
Aegis is outdated and sloppy, even s400 has less chance of stopping brahmos, you think aegis could do it ? And supersonic missile doesn't only has speed, they can perform "S" maneuvers and sea skimming at that level, supersonic 2 dozen, and hyper sonic 1 dozen, and no carrier is safe even if it's with their group. And I'm not talking about destroying all ships, only the carrier is valuable in a navy battle group.
I think the _Moskva_ was particularly vulnerable because of all those *EXPOSED* missile launch tubes. One direct hit any of those launch tubes loaded with a missile and the resulting explosion could cause a massive amount of damage.
I agree they present a huge! Vulnerable
Area !!!
No, in modern warships where there's no armor to speak of, it doesn't really mater.
@@TurkishRepublicanX why don't they just install armour?
@@cringyhuman3210 it’s very heavy and would make it slow and costly
@@cringyhuman3210 Soviet Era warships were considered one use and disposable. They only had to live long enough to get their missiles off.
What do you mean it sunk ? Its taking part on a special underwater operation !
"Special Underwater Operational Test has concluded with great success, our first Fully Underwater Conventional Kruiser is currently beating all the previous records of fully submerged operation time. Radio silence is of course normal and desired in this kind of clandestine operation."
Joining the Saratov landing ship.
They’re converting it to a submarine. Nothing special, trust me!
It destroyed 2 enemy missiles and for such act of heroism was promoted to the rank of submarine.
You god damn right
Take time and appreciate GS efforts here ... It's like he learns and reads before he does the video and you can tell his emotions are on the game..thanks man
Couldn't agree more!
@@Pincer88 Remember the 1943 Philadelphia experiment with the destroyer Eldridge? It seems that Russian scientists have done the impossible, and the Moskva cruiser is on combat duty a kilometer from Washington, it is not visible ... A successful experiment.
@@khv.repair4347I do! Nice meme!
I suspect Nicolai Tesla isn't dead either, he's been kept alive with shitloads of vodka and he had been experimenting with a cloaking device (hence why Russian sounds like Clingon) on board of the Moskva. When the Ukrainian missiles came in, someone inadvertedly must have mistaken the button of the Tesla Coil for that of the fire extinhuishers! "Igor! Njet, not that butto..." Zappppp!
Where were the support smaller missile protection vessels , Russians were too cocky
And that is what happens when a main warship doesnt travel in a battle group
Yeah, battle groups exist for a reason. Makes you wonder what the Russian naval commander was thinking (or even if he was thinking).
@@vicroc4 Apparently he's been arrested by the FSB
A ship should be able to successfully counter two ASMs
@@vicroc4 *thinking...you ment "drinking" ?
@@BravoCheesecake I wouldn't be surprised. Even here in the States he would be subject to an immediate court-martial and probably spend the rest of his life in a military prison. In Russia, he'll be lucky to survive this.
Russia at least managed to extinguish the fire on board by sinking xD
Can't really have fires if you're underwater LoL
remember the "Philadelphia experiment" in 1943... Russian scientists did it. "Moscow" 3 km from Washington with full ammunition, he is invisible
Interesting fact: There are more planes in the sea than boats in the sky.
You are a fucking genius. Please teach me the way.
Not in Russia, comrade!!!
Not according to some anime. They got flying ships 🤣
Remember the 1943 Philadelphia experiment with the destroyer Eldridge? It seems that Russian scientists have done the impossible, and the Moskva cruiser is on combat duty a kilometer from Washington, it is not visible ... A successful experiment.
But there are an equal number of Russian tanks in the sky as Russian planes on the ground.
Can you redo this, modeled with Ivan and Igor aboard who drop a cigarette in the ammo locker. After all that's the official Russian story.
Which is infinitely worse and alot more hilarious
@@TRPilot06YT And probably true.
Show us the source where you read that kind of stupid shit. 😂
Yeah lol, the official russian narrative is even more humiliating for them 🤣
@@StoneCoolds The official version of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation only confirmed the fact of severe damage and that the cruiser sank during towing. That's it, no more information.
Where do you find this nonsense?
Is there a setting in DCS where you can set Moskva crew quality to drunk and asleep?
No need friend! That's the default setting ;)
remember the "Philadelphia experiment" in 1943... Russian scientists did it. "Moscow" 3 km from Washington with full ammunition, he is invisible
What a powerful ship, shooting down four missiles with its hull.
It can only be sunk by telling it to go s*** itself.
It's four missiles now? Lol
You know damn well that could just as easily happen to a US or UK warship.
@@greggstrasser5791 except they dont use dated tech
@@greggstrasser5791 Yeah, our ships can easily catch on fire, but we have critical damage control equipment, such as coffee makers wired into the emergency lighting system.
This was great! I wish you would put out more content that takes into account an objective and the tactics to achieve it. I still enjoy the air-to-air combat, but it'd be nice to see more vids like this and explanations as to why certain tactics were used (weapon limitations as an example).
Do you have a need to know?
Let's have only the enemy's limitations not the US as we don't need to help the former.
Remember the 1943 Philadelphia experiment with the destroyer Eldridge? It seems that Russian scientists have done the impossible, and the Moskva cruiser is on combat duty a kilometer from Washington, it is not visible ... A successful experiment.
"peaceful sky" to you
Russians can see UA-cam too
Russia’s newest submarine
lol yeah a total junk bucket just like the rest of them haha
@@hapidjus2520 like the rest of everything they make...
forget that they're like a whole generation behind on everything (especially stealth)
but the Russians couldn't build a competent automobile to save their country's dignity.
Remember the 1943 Philadelphia experiment with the destroyer Eldridge? It seems that Russian scientists have done the impossible, and the Moskva cruiser is on combat duty a kilometer from Washington, it is not visible ... A successful experiment.
This is why I love this channel!! This was fascinating to watch real life tactics that could have or would be used in modern warfare, and casually showing breakdowns of the situation while we get to physically watch the situation play out. Thank you for the dedication and the effort you put into all your content.
GS bringing quality content as always. Nice job👍
Truer words yet to be spoken
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Moskva was promoted from surface warfare ship to submarine!
A friend at the DOD says it’s because the Russians mount heavy missiles exposed on deck, and this is the expected result. Other countries protect them internally just like the magazine. The US said this morning there was no towing or recovery attempt; it just went down from the secondaries from that exposed deck load.
Yeah it sound like the crew evacuated immediately due to the fire, so that likely just consumed some ammo and sunk it very quickly.
@@somewheredec What was left of the crew...
Yes it's clearly a huge vulnerability having a wall of fuelled missiles right over the ships centre of mass.
@@somewheredec the moskva was in a heavy storm, serious doubt if a lot of the crew made it out
@@somewheredec i've heard that only 50 people made it out alive (from crew of 510 people), because rescue operation failed due to the very cold water and storm
There is only one explanation on how the ship was sunk. A Ukrainian farmer drove his tractor out into the ocean with a hay fork mounted on the front, and rammed the Russian ship.
No, no it was part of the Ukrainian maritime agricultural tractor.
@@timesthree5757 A known fact
remember the "Philadelphia experiment" in 1943... Russian scientists did it. "Moscow" 3 km from Washington with full ammunition, he is invisible
ha ha ha ha
This was very well done, great cinematography and even some respectful flare drops in the end!
i actually see propagation shockwaves coming from the explosion at 5:50. thats awesome!
Dude, awesome vid! This war is a practical exam for future warfare. I’m sure every war college and defense think tanks are analyzing this in real time.
you did not understand. Power is in the truth
>Be Russian
>Have flagship named Slava
>Know of old-age sailor legend about how changing a ship's name angers the gods of the sea, bringing bad luck
>Fuck that shit, change ship name anyway
>Fast forward 26 years
>Ship sunk by a missile named Neptune
I'd also like to point out that the Moskva was sunk on the Titanic's 110th anniversary with Mrs. Iceberg
Ship sunk by a missile - anyone really believes that?
To be fair - it’d be worse if it was sunk by an accidental fire. It’d show incompetence from the ships crew on a major level.
@@Head_Coach so you believe that an acidental fire can sink a mf cruiser.
1. How incompetent you would have to be to lit a ship in fire
2. Why would you ever do something dangerous with fire near missiles/ammunition stowage
3. Why didn't they just put the fire out
Lets say that it is possible to acidentally make a small fire on the ship. How incompetent the crew would have to be not to put that fire out, let it spread into ammunition stowage and let the fire destroy the whole ship + kill over 400 people on board (one sailor from the rescue operation told that they saved only 50 or so people (crew of Moskva was atleast 510 people)).
@@TADAMAT-CZ sailors number 1 fear is fire. Fire kills a ship faster than anything else. Secondly you make the assumption that ship was fully crewed it probably wasn't. You also assume that crew was fully and properly trained it probably wasn't. You combine that with the fact a naval warship is basically a giant Powder Keg ready to go off at the slightest spark everything is flammable the Weaponry is flammable the fuels flammable the lubricants are flammable the cleaning materials are flammable everything is flammable. It would only take a small fire a little while being unnoticed to cause a serious problem. Lastly do not compare Russian materials and people with American it isn't the same thing
Do you have any proofs that it was Ukrainian missile? No one exceps Ukrainian goverment confirmed that it was missile attack. Even U.S. intelligence.
Love how the ship fires more than what the fire control radar illuminator can lock
Probably firing multiple missles per target
@@bmccray23 I don't recall Slava class can lock multiple targets tho
They can guide 2 to 3 missiles per target
@@hiteshadhikari nope
2/3 missiles on 2/3 targets at once
while nato ships can track form 300 to 400 (slava class max 6)
and in the same time track 80 missiles to it's target while the slava can 2/3....
just face the facts that russians don't have good equippment and tech... I lived in the post soviet controlled country and i saw their shity tech...
@@hiteshadhikari well yes, but she only have 1 fire control radar
Oh wow, so the frogfoot can do buccaneer low.
Actually they look vaguely similar
Yeah those Bucc pilots were absolutely bonkers.
At least here there's a "reset" button! 😂
@@nikkip3385
I take it you've watched the red flag interview?
It's ridiculous, the RAF just take whatever they do to the extreme.
And Russia take about threatening Finland or the Baltics?
I wouldn't want the RAF after me, just sounds like suicide...
And so Moskva was awarded the Order of the Stark and promoted to the rank of Submarine.
You see, the ship was participating in a “special combustion operations”.
No clue how i fell onto this channel but wow. Fantastic creation here.
Nice video. Shared it with a few people who were wondering how it was done. A video in this case is worth a thousand words.
remember the "Philadelphia experiment" in 1943... Russian scientists did it. "Moscow" 3 km from Washington with full ammunition, he is invisible
An unexpected but brilliant video from you - keen to see more like this!!
Would love to see more of these missions
I'd really like to see the Russian Army go home and pacify rasPutin for a while.
This was very cool; appreciate you putting this together.
Thanks man, its great to have a visual representation of what might be happening over there.
Very interesting! Yes, I've read reports that drones were used exensoivlely as an harassment team
You can clearly see on the mid back is a dark patch and on the front is another indicative of two strikes by sea skimming missiles. If a ship is hit by two sea skimming missiles, if anyone is telling you everyone survived then they are clearly a habitual liar.
Really Really GOOD Video !! I like your take "of the possible" scenarios that we are fed these days via ALL the possible news feeds. I love your videos and the fun you have with Longshot !! Blessings !!
‘Precautionary’ flares…..riiiiiight.
That was fucking badass!
No GsH 630 CIWS ? Thought the Slava cruiser had 6 of them to be the last line of defense. Also noticed that there were no OSA SAM systems launching. The SU-25 RWS should have lit up like a Christmas tree on his approach.
May have been a over saturation of the radar system, didn't even see it coming till it was too late. Otherwise I agree with you.
*should*
what a great artificial reef they provided.
Great content, as always!
More than interesting. The quality of the graphics, and the ability so set up different scenarios, not just dog fights, really surprises and impresses.
I watched another you tubers version of how the moskva was hit and it simply didn't make alot of sense because of the defensive capability of this particular war ship is a particularly good at killing stuff. But this simulation makes perfect sense...first you overwhelme the fire control systems with decoys and then you sneak in a few anti ship missles to kill it...well done. This is a tactic that in this case would work like a champ.
Actually the radar wasn't very good in reality. It was over 50 years old radar technology (from the 1970's). It was never designed to detect or defend against low flying missiles.
So of course it was totally vulnerable in modern times against modern anti-ship missiles..
@@xAlexTobiasxB so basically a sitting duck. This may have been a deliberate test to see the tactical capability before rolling out a modern cruiser.
@@rinzler9775 yeah pretty much.
Only 1 ship of the class was upgraded with modern radar a few years ago, but the Moskva was not one of them... Which was a big mistake to not upgrade the Moskva when they had the chance.... Now it's too late
Such a pityful loss of men and material...
@@xAlexTobiasxB One day a salvage operation will rescue the materials. not sure of the men, but the coldness of the water might preserve them, unless the denizens of the deep get to them.
As is everyone else, I'm surprised that the Moskva was successfully attacked in this manner and eventually sunk. Wouldn't she have support ships around her to help defend against an attack? She was too easily overrun by such a low-tech form of attack. I would have expected a better defense from their Flag ship.
As it goes with this entire conflict, Russia hasn't displayed the most competent military strategy
I think Russia has made several miscalculations , I think they underestimated the Ukrainian sentiment about a Russian "special operation" (invasion) , i think they underestimated the Ukrainian military capability and willingness to fight. I think they underestimated the Worlds reaction and the amount of weapons that they would supply. So I suspect that the Russians didn't think they would be vulnerable at sea.
@@michaelold6695
The exact same miscalculated/ overconfident/underestimated mindset towards an adversary which took place at Taranto, Italy circa November 1940; as well as, at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii circa December 1941.🤦♂️
Serbia shot down at the time modern f117 nighthawk with a 1960’s model Sam during the Kosovo conflict.
Overconfidence by the Russian navy and underestimating the Ukrainians.
One possible scenario, but quite uncertain if it was so. Another scenario is that nothing was going on and all was quiet when the missiles came. And Moskva did not defend itself because the radar operators were quite tired and did not pay attention to what was going on and when they realized there was an incoming missile it was already too late.
Great presentation. Thank you for the time and effort you invest in your productions they are very much appreciated and enjoyed
My only regret is that we apparently don't have any video of the Moskva going up like a fireworks display.
I would venture to say someone somewhere has it, and eventually it may come out.
Due to very poor weather conditions, its very unlikely we'll see any video ever. There's only some satellite images that seems to look trustworthy.
@@pouk_9 The photo that's on the internet doesn't show poor weather before it went down after being abandoned.
@@Emperorvalse So the russians lied about poor weather, not the first time, not the last :)
Man... you made your mission too hard, GS. A maintenance report, done 14 days before the invasion and surfaced now, listed the 3 layered missile defense as inoperable when she was hit. The S-300 could work, but turning on the radar interferred with all communication abord. Only one of the last resort defenses was operational and the damage control systems were lacking in number or actually locked away, because a lot of the stuff got often stolen. Heck, it even goes deeper than that. Engines were past their maximum operating hours, emergency lights and signals not working...
So all in all... this ship was destined to sink. You could have just flown in, just like that...!
Nice job GS, as usual! 👍👍
The ship is now a permanent submersible
I can already tell this is gonna be good
Like all Russian military hardware the Moskva was built to last. After two days at the bottom of the Black Sea, the bathtub in the captain's cabin still has water in it.
I doubt that, it was Russian !
Awesome video. Love it!
1:53 Now *that's* Nap-of-the-Earth!
I had a couple of friends in the navy in the late 70's early 80's and they used to say we always marveled at how many weapon systems they seemed to cram onto their ships compared to our ships, guns missiles radars etc etc, but the reality is its more bling than function.
My dad was in the navy during those two decades (and into the 90’s) and he said the joke was the Russian ships have double the armaments because half won’t work.
Well, there are pics of the Moskva listing, and smoking heavily through the engine funnels. But one thing is clear. None of the S-300's were fired, and from what i could see, it missed one of it's 2 portside AK630's. It surely wasn't hit by a "Joint strike Missile", like the Trondheim from the "Ukrainian video" that went viral. That was an 880 lbs warhead. And is a smaller ship. The neptune land based Missile had only 320lbs warheads And a ship almost twice the size of the Trondheim.
remember the "Philadelphia experiment" in 1943... Russian scientists did it. "Moscow" 3 km from Washington with full ammunition, he is invisible
The Ukrainians have learned very well. They played the Russians like a master violinist plays a violin.
Do you share your missions you create and use in your videos? Great content as always!
The Moskva was not sunk!
It successfully completed a submerge below water and do not resurface special operation.
So it was you who sank the moskva!
Sweet simulation! Nicely done, Growling Sidewinder.
GS, ive been watching your videos for a long time now, ive been interested in DCS for years, and for the past few months youve just slowly been nudging me into getting it and now I plan to pick this up with the f/a-18 being my first plane and the supercarrier (i keep seeing a lot of mixed feelings about the module but i think im just going to do it.) only thing i need to figure out is the maps and my hotas setup (probably a vkb nxt evo space edition but no idea of the throttle). just wanted to thank you for your videos, and all the other youtubers putting out content. im hooked and dying to get to sky.
remember the "Philadelphia experiment" in 1943... Russian scientists did it. "Moscow" 3 km from Washington with full ammunition, he is invisible
This is virtually no different from the sinking of the HMS Sheffield 40 yrs ago by an exocet subsonic missile. Defense systems against antiship missiles look good on paper but in actual combat conditions they arent effective. The age of large surface warships especially the aircraft carrier may be over.
Nonsense.
@@Bob10009 that was the same response in the 1920s when a battleship bristling with antiaircraft guns was said to be no match against a swarm of slow torpedo and bomb laden aircrafts
I could say the same thing about a combat helmet.
@@edgardovillacorte7012 and if they were properly defended,battleships would still be viable. Did the soldier become obsolete when guns were invented ? Did the gun become obsolete when missiles were invented ? Did ships become obsolete when submarines were invented ? Did submarines become obsolete when depth charges were invented ? No.
When are we all just going to admit that Russian equipment, technology, and ability to keep that technology serviced are way over-hyped?
Even their nukes could be overhyped as well.
F’in great creative way to provide civilians with insight into the mission. Subscribed on this video alone. Terrific way to educate.👏👍⭐️💥
Hey, this was intriguing! Thank you!
"...it's not looking good..." Actually, it's looking quite good. It'll be even better when the Moskva becomes a submersible.
Nice video to show defence saturation. I know the Neptune missiles are sub-sonic sea skimmers so I'm guessing this is what DCS has for simulation at that range. Still impressive though.
Amazing vidéo! glad i found your page, keep up the good work. love it!
Moskva didn't sink, they just reclassified it as a submarine.
Seen Lot of people saying it just went on a special underwater mission
The moskva was not hit by missiles.
She simply experienced a spontaneous and unscheduled kinetic disassembly.
😁
It was an unplanned transformation from surface vessel to undersea asset that the Kremlin failed to alert the media with enough time to publish in the latest volume of Jane’s Fighting Ships 😁
Actually, what happened is that the Ukrainians sent some munitions to the ship via express mail. The problem was that the cargo also contained detonators, that activated due to rough handling at the receiving end. This caused the munitions to detonate, and cause a major fire on board the Moskva.
two type of ships in the navy - submarines and surface targets.
the real story may eventually surface. till then plausible conjecture reigns.
outstandingly well made Mr GS.
Vale those who gave their all.
Well thought out and brilliant in execution.
Day 71 of asking gs to take on the f22 in a warbird
first the ship was distracted and driven mad by a Turkish drone. the ship suddenly had many fictional threats. and then the Ukrainian missiles hit.🇹🇷🇺🇦
Exactly. Turkish, USA, ROM and some BLG NATO drones+planes caused Moskva to sink basically. To engage them means WW3, so, lesson learned I think. I don't think Russians will make the same mistake again.
Video does NOT show what actually happened.
There are some interesting analyses out there that appear to show the Moskva's antiaircraft weapons were stowed (never deployed). All the hatches are closed, in the photos, and the various defenses around the ship don't appear to have been activated. Complete surprise!
EXACTLY. Another youtuber used DCS to simulate a missile attack on Moskva. The attack failed under good weather conditions, but one out of two Neptune SSM missiles hit when the weather was dialed up to a 30 knot gale and driving rain was introduced. The long range vertical launch missiles did not launch, but a few of their hatches started to open. The short range missiles failed to deploy AT ALL. The close in guns worked, but got only one of two missiles. The ACTUAL photo/video of the wrecked Moskva showed CALM seas, good weather, and NO hatches open. No neither of these DCS simulations seems accurate.
Sidewinder: I could almost reach out and touch the cars
Put your wheels down and you would become a car
It was not sunk. It was upgraded to be a submarine.
Cannot see how a couple of drones overwhelmed a navy sa300 grumble Sam system. These things can track multiple targets and engage them at the same time including cruise missiles. Is this target fixation when you lose track of threats and ignore info from systems like radar, or incompetence or both? Interested to know what others think. As the Ukrainian claims to shooting newer Russian cruise missiles down with the same sa300
They can only track 6 targets at a time. Don't forget it was built in the 80's using technology from the 70s. Also, I would be willing to bet, it was in manual mode, not auto.
Moskva FCS is linked to radar system that only has a 120 degree cone iirc. Highly susceptible to attacks coming from different angles, which is what happened in the Ukrainian version of the story.
@@Noncenx interesting, I read it wasn't even escorted.
What's even funnier is that the Moskva supposedly had the best air defense set up of the Black Sea fleet, and it's loss makes the remaining ships more vulnerable. It looks like they were all vulnerable from the start.
@@user-dx6bv2pe1s The Moskva has a much older version of the S300, with worse radars and missiles.
I love when you do stuff like this
Great production and content, super impressed. 👌
The Neptune ground launched anti-ship missiles that hit the Moskva don't have that large of a payload however it's not IF you hit the ship it's WHERE you hit the ship. A fire aboard a ship at sea is one of the most deadliest things that can happen. Even if the initial impacts didn't hit the ammunition magazines initially, if a fire is set aboard and it can't be controlled it pretty much seals the fate of the ship very quickly. The sailors would have precious little time to abandon ship after the fire was declared out of control.
Also explains ; why most of the Russian sailors would not have survived - contrary to Russian reports...
remember the "Philadelphia experiment" in 1943... Russian scientists did it. "Moscow" 3 km from Washington with full ammunition, he is invisible
Well, Moskva was the "aircraft carrier killer", as they say, so its radar can see only something that is not smaller than a carrier strike group, obviously :) Or like a city, that is not maneuvring. Seems like any russian weapon is only good in fighting the civilians (if they don't use a tractor).
насмотрелся русофобских новостей? Да, российское оружие может воевать только против мирных жителей, но тут оговорочка должна быть: если оно в руках украинских нацистов.
@@akm6156 Orwell. 1984. Russia. Now.
@@akm6156дать бы тебе по бошке, за то что такой необразованный!
"Русофобия" - имеет в конце "фобия", значит боязнь чего-то
Ты сильно боишься собачье дерьмо например? Наступить в него было бы противно, но ты его не боишься
Используй правильные термины
@@digitalhippie2336 дай, попробуй.
Can u do a vid about the USS liberty
Man!!! They got broad sided got distracted and crept from the back .. the timing was good
Moskwa hasn't been destroyed. It reached buoyancy of 0 and was promoted to " strategic submarine cruiser"
A small nitpick if i may...
You made the Russians seem competent.
🇺🇦👍
Nicely done great tactics
10/10 music added THAT much more intensity
Please do more of these reenactments if you can GS. Have an amazing day sir.
There are a lot of questions here: What he did there, why the flagship was without cover, why there was a NATO scout on the ship before the explosion. Almost the entire crew was evacuated, during a missile strike, I think there were serious crew losses.
No way all the crew survived. I’m guessing more that 50% losses
@@tjm5887 432 of 510 many saying didn't make it. Turkey picked up 54
@@tjm5887 We can only assume, maybe someday we will find out the truth, after all, the team is alive, unlike Kursk
@@AreeyaKKC H.I Sutton has some evidence suggesting the number that survived is at least 260 incl the captain, assuming injured crew didnt attend, you can extrapolate and assume 50-100 fatalities and the rest injured in the fire.The fatalities go up if the fire was in the midships AAM area, people wrongly assume the deck launchers are more dangerous to a ship, but those AAM's cooking off would be far harder to control and more lethal to the crew
@@martinpalmer6203 from photos online looks like fire damage in several midship portals as well as a major Crack from deck down below waterline. When those occurred not sure in relation to impact or crew egress.
Happily most of the marines are saved.
Awesome GS!
When you go skuba diving and somehow got into Moscow: 🗿
Moscva = Moscov but in Russian (writen with English letters)
It's hilarious seeing people critique the Russians and their equipment here. Like "they were untrained, incompetent, their equipment wasn't working, etc..."
I hate to break it to all of you, but that's just life at sea. The British lost 4 warships to Argentinian aircraft. The US let 2 Exocets get through to hit the Stark. In recent years our warships have been fired on both in the Suez Canal and off the coast of Yemen. Honestly, for most air defense systems to actually work, you have to be expecting the attack. And even then things like the CIWS will often jam, or a sensor will miss an incoming threat. Basically, this war had been going on for over 40 days at the time, so I'm not surprised that they weren't alert to a possible threat. This isn't incompetence, it's just reality. Let's hope that NATO fleets aren't tested by war in the near future, because some of you have unrealistic expectations and will be disappointed.
Pretty cool video and a nice thought experiment. Also an example of why litoral warfare can give the advantage to the defender. Simulators can be used to come up with new and creative ways to fight stronger oponents. I know for a fact that several arnies, including Chile, use the Steel Beast civilian simulator. No reason DCS can't be used for the same purpose
.. Nk bgygi
That AOTK intro audio clip is sick