Cutting and Drying End Grain Cookies
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2016
- In this video I use a large 59-inch chainsaw mill to cut end grain cookies and then show my process to stabilize and dry them to prevent cracking. For additional information check out:
www.monolocoworkshop.com/blog...
The product used in this video is Pentacryl: amzn.to/2GSCnpP
Music: Josh Woodward - East Side Bar
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MonoLoco Workshop (Ty Moser)
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Ty, that video is SO WELL DONE! I love the multiple shooting angles and I really like how you narrated yourself adding the pentacryl to the wood. Speaking of the wood, wow does that ever look good!
+Jack Bench Woodworking Thanks Charlie! I got the idea for that narrating style from Jay Bates. He was talking about how it made the whole process easier and he was right. That wood is really pretty. I've never done anything with carob wood before that.
+Ty Moser (MonoLoco_Workshop) Do you have access to any carob wood boards?
+Jack Bench Woodworking I don't have any but I the sawmill had at least a few large branches to mill up from this same tree.
My goodness, those are crazy beautiful! Great vid!
+Make Something Thanks David! I am having such a hard time waiting for them to dry. I want to get them sanded down and finish applied so I can see their true beauty come out.
Exactly the info I've been looking for. Thank you!
Great video! I can't wait to see how they turn out.
+Braxton Wirthlin Thanks Braxton! Hopefully they turn out as good in reality as they already have in my head.
I love the shape of the slabs, it would make a very interesting end table. Great stuff! Huge saw!
+bonafidegeek Thanks! I can't wait for them to dry out so I can make some awesome looking tables!
I can't wait to see the follow-up. Cool stuff, Ty!
+Michael Lawing Thanks Michael and thanks for watching!
Wow Ty, AWSOME, look forward to see how the cookies turn.
+Sam K Thanks Sam! I'm having a hard time waiting to see how they turn out too!
Very nice. Reflects somewhat what I have learned to do with black locust trunk end cookies.
Seriously looking forward to the end job! Those are gorgeous!
+Wood By Wright Thanks! I'm looking forward to it as well. Waiting is a difficult game to play..
+Ty Moser (MonoLoco_Workshop) Tell ma about it I have a pile of 9/4 elm that I am going to make into a 8' dining room live edge table that id drying in my basement. I have to look at it every day and not touch it for a year! why doesn't wood dry faster?
I was just searching for the follow-up. Any updates???
That's one crazy workshop!
I have just started out in cutting the tree's that have been felled in the woods next to my house into your so called cookies, I have been drying them out in my shed, but now I have noticed that the cookies are distorting and some white fungus appearing in some area's of the surface, so watching your video will have really helped me in creating some nice tables that I have in mind doing! Just need to carry out your procedure in wrapping them up after applying that liquid you used! Many thanks for this information! I have taken note in what I have to do now that am getting older, 68 years and have just caught this bug in creating pieces of art from wood, in my youth I painted and always had a tree in the frame!
Usually you don't want to wrap them because they need to have a little air flow to prevent the mold growth. The Pentacryl I soaked them in replaces the water and removes that issue though. When I don't use Pentacryl I put stickers (3/4-1" thick strips) between them and put them in a cool dry place to dry slowly.
Awesome that you caught the bug! It's a very rewarding hobby!
Great video and thanks for the links to the products.
Thanks! I hope to have a follow up video out in the next few months.. I really need to finish these...
Awesome! Thanks Ty, exactly the info I was looking for :)
A couple days ago we had a large oak tree removed. The tree service cut several large cookies for us so I can make cookie tables. Some of the cookies are rather thick. I've never done this before so I could really appreciate any help and guidance with the process and time frame. Thank you!
Thanks for this video, I was glad to see your PPE when cutting the cookies. An errant chainsaw will go through human flesh as easy as a hot knife through butter and through bones as easy as a warm knife through refrigerated butter. I look forward to future video's about what you do with those cookies. As always safety first.
Great video, great set up with that saw.
+Chad Schimmel Thanks Chad, that saw has come in real handy.
That is awesome! I am actually refinishing a coffee table made from a cypress cookie that was not dried or finished properly by whoever attempted it. Talk about a PITA!!! But I plan on filling the voids with crush turquoise and hopefully it will turn out. I would love to get a hold of some cookies like that! I LOVE COOKIES!!! Keep up the great work and I look forward to seeing how they turn out!
I've got some voids in mine that I planned on filling with black epoxy but hopefully I won't have any cracks to fill. What finish are you using?
+Ty Moser (MonoLoco_Workshop) I am going to finish it with multiple coats of wipe-on poly. Not sure how many coats it will take to get a good layer of protection without to plasticy of a finish. This project would have been a million times easier if I was the one starting it from scratch. I can't wait to see how yours turns out!
Beautiful wood!
Guest bedroom seems like the perfect place to dry wood. I might have to try that.
+Matthew Friedrichs Now that I've set the precedent I'll have to see what else I can sneak in there.
Can't hardly wait to see them finished, going to be nice---
+TheBeerbelly007 You can't wait? I'm the one that has been avoiding the guest room so I don't have to see them there wanting to be turned into a table. :)
I hear ya---
I now understand why you grew the beard now that I see you cutting with the big boy Stihl. Counter balance!!! Genius. The slabs look great. Can't wait to see how they do and what the dry time is like. I would guess that they should dry faster than the 1 year per inch because they're end grain.
Keep up the great work.
+Cory Themilkhouseww lol, and I was just thinking about trimming it down a bit after I get all of my video edited and the intro/outro videos shot.
Supposedly the Pentacryl can speed up the drying process by 90% too so I guess we'll see.
Nice cookies dude!
Love to see what's inside the presents you wrapped. Please consider a video for unwrapping? Just to see how it is going?
Love the pantherpros mill
Great vid!
Sweet!
Looking great. No way I could put something like that in the guest bedroom. That's where I store all the old kids toys and old computer hardware.
+Make Crazydays We've been pretty good and only storing stuff in the closet but now I've got piles of MonoLogo T-Shirts and end grain cookies. The kids toys get piled in the kids room. I expect there to an avalanche one day soon..
Cookies !!! Ty's got cookies !! I wish I had a cookie...
Thanks for the video, Ty. ( I want a cookie... why can't I have a cookie? ) lol
+KSFWG Thanks Dave :) If I had my way, everybody would have cookies.
Ty, those Carob cookies are freakin awesome!! Littlewierdshop
+Ron Martina Thanks Ron! I can't wait for them to fully dry so I can finish them and get some legs on them!
What happened with these ???
Please post new videos man . You kick ass
Alright Ty! I'm itching for the final video man!
Me too! My wife keeps bugging me to me them out of my kids room. :)
been 8 months... what's happening?
That's a wonderful question. Honestly, they are still wrapped up in what used to be a guest room and is now my almost 3 year old daughters room. My wife keeps bugging me to get them out of there and I have done my best to leave them wrapped up and untouched. I need to stop working on projects for other people so I can make it back around to that. I'm thinking toward the beginning of the year.
Did they warp or crack or you never checked?
I haven't checked yet. Didn't want to uncover them until I'm ready to use them. I have talked to the guys at the saw mill about their stash of 13 of the same type. They have kept them in a somewhat controlled humid environment to slow the drying process instead of using Pentacryl and said they are doing alright.
Thanks for the video. Would I have to do the same thing with salvaged wood pieces from stumps before painting and/or epoxying? :D
Thanks we're clearing a bunch of cypress trees on the job and I want to make a table out of the Cypress
Would it be ok to seal the cookie/slab with anchorseal? I got a 36" end grain slab that I sealed on both sides with anchorseal, though not before it had already cracked. Should I try to remove the anchor seal and soak ti with pentacryl?
Miito liiiindo, parabéns.
Your video popped up when I was trying to google what an appropriate moisture content for something like this would be before applying 2 part table top epoxy resin?
My situation: I got a doug fir cookie I was planning on making an accent table out of. I'd like to leave the bark on since doug fir isn't that visually interesting. I had a big 7" thick piece that I cut in half (didn't do a great job of cutting it straight, so one half varies widely in thickness). According to my moisture meter, the recently cut side is at about 25%.
What would you suggest? Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks!
I just landed myself some 2' diameter oak rounds... and I desperately want to turn them into SOMETHING without them cracking... I'll try your method!
Dang. Now I want to buy big chainsaw. Awesome!
+RetroWeld lol, it is a pretty cool thing to see in action.
they look great, can't wait to see the tables, they are going to come out gorgeous. what size mill was that and that chainsaw is huge....lol
+Miter Mike's Woodshop Thanks Mike! It's a 54" mill on a 59" bar.
Hey Ty, I liked your video.
I'm trying to make a cut board out of a Carob tree stomp I got, but it's still green and I dont even know How long I need to wait until the stomp dries. Can you help?
I'm also eager to see the follow up video.
Thank you in advance
2 questions:
what is the name of that tree ? terra wood ??
and, I have lots of acrylic type floor sealers, for concrete and also for wood floors.
Do you think those would work to seal the slabs? and also logs ?
I cut some slabs of similar size 10months ago. They were stored in a cold basement and then for 1 month at 30degrees C in a boiler room. Do you think they will be dry? My moisture meter reads 5% on the surface.
What's the thickness of them? Since I used pentacryl, my drying process should be reduced and I wasn't even considering looking at them for at least a half a year. It's been almost a whole year and I still haven't looked at mine.
It's hard to say if yours are dry or not. 5% on the surface sounds good but 11 months probably wouldn't be long enough unless it's a fairly thin slab.
Hope this helps.
I can’t find the other video of the finished table? How did it turn out?
did you make the follow up video? I'd love to see how this came out!
Any update there ty? How did it work out? Pentacryl is more expensive that gold so I don’t want to spend 200$ on a bottle and find out it doesn’t work.
I’m leaning towards Rubio
Hey, did you ever end up doing anything with your slabs!?
Phenomenal videos, and I see that you have no posted in quite some time!
Hope all is well!
Cheers!
You need to turn back that H screw on the carb adjustment...my 880 vibrates out of optimal carburation frequently. Take the power back!
How long did it take for them to dry? Couldn't find a follow up. I'm cutting down two large trees on my property later this month and would like to honor the trees by turning them into furniture. Just trying to get as much info as I can.
I have stumps in my yard from a fallen pine. They’ve been out there for about 5 months. How will i know when they’re dry to cut into cookies? I want to do what you did and make side tables
Hey Ty! My brother and I just got a huge 4 inch thick 42in scarlet oak cookie. How many gallons of Pentacryl you think that thing will suck up? Thank you!
What's the update on these? Did you end up making anything out of them? Would love to see how they come out. They look awesome.
They're still wrapped up waiting for me to stop working on other things. They did migrate back into the shop a few months ago so getting closer!
Is pentacryl good if we want to use them as cutting boards instead of furniture?
wow!! great cookies!!
hi, great video!
I am just starting with milling myself just to make myself some stuff since I have got enought time to do it and I like to be busy with woods. anyway back to the question I got, how about the flexural rigidity of the bar you are using. I always have had still bars and they are pretty stiff. but I never had a longer one that a 24 inch. I am looking to buy a 48 inch or bigger. what can you advise me. is the stihl bar stiff enough to not get hollow slaps?
The bar I use is 59" and there is a little bow in the center if I let the power head hang unsupported but it's not really noticeable in the end product. Since the chainsaw is generally more rough than a bandsaw mill, I like to mill a quarter to a half inch larger than I really want so if there is any flex, it should get take out with that.
As far as getting a stronger, less flexible bar. I'm not sure at that length that any are better than Stihl.
Are lags better then screws for your straight edge?
Can you use this wood for cutting boards?
what would you suggest as a disinfectant? bleach?
liked the video and the beard!!!!
Thanks! I trimmed it short for our crazy hot summers but am in the process of growing it back out for winter.
:)
Hey! How did those turn out?
Hello! That’s a beautiful piece of wood you have there!! Can you please update us? I’ve subscribed and looked through your videos and didn’t see anything.
At first I thought you were talking to me how embarrassing
Ty, did you make the chainsaw mill? I have a 4' x 5' or so stump that I want to cookie and trying to build my own mill like yours..any suggestions would be appreciated!
I didn't make that mill but they are pretty straight forward and easy to replicate. I purchased this one for about $170. (Panther Pro Mill II.)
Is thar a follow up video how did it go?
I'm looking to see what you have done with dried wood. Did it turn out? Did you make another video? If so, I can't find it.
I haven't made another video yet. It's sitting in my shop against the wall still warped up. I need to make a router sled and finish it up.
What kind of chainsaw are you using in this video?
Wondering if he ever made the side tables...
hi, im probely late for this video but im wondering on something. im planning on building a pc case out of a tree stump, i have found out if i just got it its going to crack after a while, so do you thing a can use the same method that you used in this video to provent it from cracking? thx for your time and help!
I'm sure it would help but I would imagine that you would need to purchase a WHOLE BUNCH and it's not very cheap. Also, since you're talking about a stump large enough to house at least the components of a computer, i'm guessing it's fairly thick and would take years to fully dry. One thing to consider as well is the heat the computer will create could cause it to crack if it's not fully dry.
Hope this helps!
So... what about that other video you wanted to bring out (hopefully) after 3 or 6 months? Really interested in the results!
The best I can say is that they've finally moved into my shop from what is now my daughters room. They are moving up on the priority list.
Great! I guess congratulations are in order? Then all delays are forgiven. ;)
Progress !!
How can you tell when they're ready? What moisture content are you looking to get?
If you have a moisture meter you can watch the moisture content over time. Otherwise after you give them a while you can start to weigh them and after they stop loosing weight they as good as they are going to get.
A sponge mat laid upon the slab will help the pentacyrl from evaporating and keep the cookie moist.
Any tips on how to plane and sand end grain cuts such as these?
I plan to use a router sled to flatten it then just start at 30/60 grit and work up from there. I do have a drum sander and might give that a try as well.
Did you ever make a follow up video?
I want to know what pentacryl? lol I have a huge maple burl here and have no idea what to do because it's been outside as it came out of the ground, so I believe it's going to rot! it does look a little dry atm
If you want to try to preserve it you could try pentacryl or even paint over the end grain to slow the drying process down so it will dry properly.
Nom de D. ! I've got similar slabs , 50 year seasoning but this time it's yew , looking for proper legs , turned yew is not so beautiful , what about metal ones ?
I was planning on welding up some legs for these.
I have had success with putting primer paint on oneside of large maple cookies. My wood shop is not heated or air conditioned and I have stored six of them out of sight under our wueen size bed. It has worked. It is wasted space being used.
Mono loco , nice do you serve gigante nacho plate
How did they turn out? Did they crack?
Hey I want to use small cross cuts for my projects. Up to 15mm in diameter. Would they need the same treatment?
Just depends on how many cracks and how big of cracks you want. For most things I won't do this because I can just use epoxy to fill the cracks.
Very cool Ty! Looking forward to seeing the tables. Oh and how expensive or affordable is that product you applied?
+Moy perez woodshop Thanks Moy! That stuff is super affordable coming in at just under $1600 for a 55-gallon drum. :) I used a gallon and half a quart bottle and ended up paying about $80 bucks all together. Not the cheapest stuff but if you consider how much these will be worth after turned in tables it's really not that much.
Nice, tasty lookin' cookies Ty...although I wouldn't wanna eat them, I have a random unrelated to woodworking question for you... what's your highest finish at darts?
+HOPKIRK We usually just play cricket and don't add additional points. After a few beers it's hard enough to remember to just mark off what you got for the single round.
+Ty Moser (MonoLoco_Workshop) Ahhh cricket... yeah, cool game, fun to play... especially on a belly full of beer.
How can I buy some of those slices?
After you put the Pentacryl on, can you put it in a log kiln and speed up the drying, or will the wood crack?
Vacuum kiln yes, regular one probably not until it reaches a lower moisture content. The idea is to slow the drying process to prevent cracks.
Hi Ty!! Doesn't the 1 yr per inch drying rule apply here? Curious re the 6 month till ready plan. ; )
I suspect since it's all end grain, it would cure much quicker.
It must be great to have a understanding wife to be able to bring wood from a tree into the house to dry out!
There must be an easier way than this! The wood is in a state of shock and it requires moisture, so I soak my cookies in engine oil as it is cheaper that linseed oil and all the others, then let it dry out and then apply what ever you fancy!
How do your cookies fair over time with motor oil? I don't always apply this. Most often I'll just put some anchorseal on it.
Awesome video! How thick did you cut theses slabs?
Thanks Jacob! These were cut at 3-inches.
I have attempted to go to your website, but it keeps coming up as private. Do I need special permission to gain access?
Is there a follow up video or did they eventually crack and the follow up was scrapped?
I haven't created the next video yet but probably should sooner than later since I keep getting questions about it. They are still sitting in the same spot in what used to be my guest bedroom and is now my middle daughters room. I plan to get to them in the near future.
Very cool slabs man. What kinda chainsaw mill are you using there? Like what brand I mean. Great video by the way.
+OU8NUCKS Thanks! I'm using a 54" Pather MIll II with a Stihl 880r.
+Ty Moser (MonoLoco_Workshop) thanks man, I'm in the market for one but haven't done very much research on em. I appreciate it buddy.
Wait what do you put on these to prevent cracking? Petnakrill?
Pentacryl
I just have one question. How much Pentacryl did you use on your two cookies. Pentacryl is so expensive, I hesitant to buy any because I don't know how much gets used. Thanks ... and good video,
I ended up using about a gallon. The company that makes pentacryl has a calculator that should help you get an idea of how much you need. www.preservation-solutions.com/wood-treatment-products/wood-calculator/
have you ever tried anchor seal instead of the product you used?
I use anchor seal on my logs before milling them. End grain cookies are especially prone to cracking so I wanted to take extra care.
Would that with a Burl slab
Nice cookie, any updates on how they turned out?
Still wrapped up waiting for me to get back to them. They did move back into the garage a few months ago so.. progress?
Ty Moser thanks for the reply, can't wait to see how they turned out.
Try cedar shield
What % of moisture will be left in the wood after 3 months ?
+Patrick Meehan I honestly have no clue. The Pentacryl can apparently reduce dry time by up to 90% because it replaces the moisture but only time will tell. I've got a moisture meter that's a little on the cheap side so I'll probably play it safe and test it every month and only use it after the moisture level has stopped going down for two months in a row.
What is pentagril
Hi how did they dry could not see the next vid
Thanks Joe
I haven't created the next video yet but probably should sooner than later since I keep getting questions about it. They are still sitting in the same spot in what used to be my guest bedroom and is now my middle daughters room. I plan to get to them in the near future.
Ty Moser And now it’s 2019 and I can’t find that update vid... how did the pentacryl work?
thanks Ty.. what is the paint you used?
It's called Pentacryl.
amzn.to/2ouihdX
have u tried rv antifreeze? its none toxic.
Nope, I've never heard of that being helpful. Got any sources?
Alright, I'm a big noob here, have no idea what I'm doing.. but I do tree work for a living and we completely waste literally tonne after tonne of great wood with so much potential.. so a couple months ago, I started grabbing the odd cookie before the rest of the tree got tossed. But I really have no clue what to do beyond that. I want to make some tables, but first I gotta learn how. Coworkers told me they there cookies always cracked. So I left mine in my garage where it's nice and cool. No signs of cracking, but they're covered with fine white mold. Do you know if the wood is now damaged or still recoverable?
and no update yet, hey?
If they dry out slow enough which they might be doing in your cool garage then they might not crack. On the other hand, you generally want good air flow to draw the moisture out and help prevent the mold. You might try spraying some Lysol or some other anti-mold grown stuff to help with that. As far as them being recoverable, you might just have to put a mask on and sand the white mold off to see how deep it goes and then make sure it's got some anti-mold spray on. Hopefull that helps.
+Ty Moser (MonoLoco_Workshop) Makes sense, thanks
+Water drop U Gaming 1 thanks for the heads up, sounded like you were a little baked at the time haha
D. Ryan Shaw
How do you cure end grain cookies for cutting boards. I don't want to use toxic chemicals.
Very slowly. If they dry too fast they will crack. You'll need to slow down the drying process while trying to reduce the amount of moisture so they don't mold.