Fiat Coupe cambelt change and taking damaged parts off.
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we need more of this kind of video involving the repair side of fiat coupe looking forward for the next one
loads more to come.
Don't worry....You never actually get finished repairing these cars. You basically start from the front, and make your way to the rear. Then you make your way from the back to the front, and so on.....
They are absolutely lovely cars, but the gremlins just never stop rearing their heads.
Old, crusty jokes aside, you are absolutely right. We can never get too much of this .
The spanner trick at 10:20 was taught to me by my dad. Top guy👍🍺
I learned the same thing in 2005 in the USA with 34mm spanners when I worked building water slides. Massive knots!
It definetly works
Since you are close to the oil filter, do replace the o-ring between the oil filter sandwich and the block. It becomes squarish with time and heat and will not seal with an annoying oil leak as a result. Cheap o-ring and a 100000 miles guarantee. I think it requires an 27mm socket to get it off and some fiddeling with the oil cooler pipes.
Superb video. I've had a standard 20VT and an LE and your vid reminds me of just how tricky these beauties were to work on. Can't wait to see what other magic you manage to use to essentially turn some rust and dust into a beautiful Italian stallion. Thanks for your efforts so far! Damn I miss that 5 cylinder sound...
As an ex coupe owner it's good to finally see what the infamous 'engine out' cambelt change entails. Keep up with the great vids.
thanks for watching. yeah its a myth engine has to come out.
I really enjoy your videos on these Fiats and Alfas! Been there so many times myself and without a hydraulic ramp lol!
Thanks! 👍
Nice work
Good to see how the belt is changed
Thanks for watching.
I have been working on my 20vt today , I love these cars . I wish I had your skills !!! Keep em coming , can't wait for the next vid .
More to come!
fun idea, make a poll on the video to guess how many bolts you can get out without rounding, cutting :D
A 20 year old beauty from Fiat ?? I'd expect the answer to be around 5 😉
Im sending fully respect for that kind engine tilting for water pump removing, in my case a had to freed him up from holders and then replaced water pump. Anyway, so much arse pain on engine work, so small room.
thanks
When you used the bar to lever the engine over , i remember when Fiat use to say it was engine out for cambelt (£1000 +) but my old Alfa master tech mate said it could be done just by losing off an engine mount and leaning the block over , he worked that one out as soon as the first 20Vs arrived . He was a clever lad
yeah its tight but saves £1000
Always wondered how a cambelt change on fiat coupe were done. Heard that especially the 20v turbo were difficult to do and this video shows why. Great video again. Enjoying the series greatly 😁
Glad to help
good progress, and nice to see it in full glory, warts and all.... music was fine.
Thanks for your support.
Great work, big job
Thank you! Cheers!
Many thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching
Another cracking video. You have in the garage 2 of my dream cars... A Coupé and a Barchetta Limited Edition. You at least are a specialist in italian cars and you know what you are doing. Many "multi brand mechanics" that touch these cars, end um damaging them, then people say that Fiat is this or that. That is a big issue in Brazil with the Marea Turbo that has this same engine. Because it is expensive at the dealership, people would go to another mechanic and they ended up damaging the engine because of their lack of knowledge.
Have a good one.
Regards
Nice tip for getting that rounded oil sump bolt! Thanks!
Glad to help.
Over size torques bits work great in rounded allen bolts.
Enjoyed watching this though the Coupe 20V Turbo looks a nightmare to work on, no room at all. Will be a beauty when it’s done. Top work mate especially in 38c heat, Christ I think I would collapse.
I'd say there a tad easier to work on than the busso
Good video, looking forward to more
Awesome, thank you!
Nice one! I would have been very tempted to take out the steam cleaner and clean that engine bay first before working on anything.
not with my dirty gloves best for after its all done.
A friend of mine done that with his coupe and couldnt get it started again because steam got into electronics and electrics
Been desperate to see the part two video , nearly was the first !
David Foster.
Siete grandi!!!!
Lovely Jubbly, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
Brilliant as always....personally drop the music🤣 sounded like a video game 👍👍👍👍
Thanks for the visit
Guarda Gasi garage un'officina italiana specializzata.... anche nei restauri totali delle Fiat Coupé ! Saluti..
Exceedingly well handled Sir! That's a tight working width! At least the 2 litre Twin Spark Alfas lend a bit more room lol!
You got that right!
Muito bom seus vídeos. Trabalho aqui no Brasil na minha oficina de maneira semelhante a você somente com Fiat e sozinho. Parabens
Such a great car, money well spent
it is.
Re the slam panel - sounds like you've got a challenge. I say have a go, and if it fails, try for salvage or NOS. If you manage to fix it, make it a separate video and become a hero to all those out there with the same problem!
ill give it a go.
What a pig of a car to work on, and in that heat, respect! Looking forward to the next video!
More to come!
Actually catched that TDC move on video. Its good that you check it before putting it all back
imagine the pain if i didnt. it normally gets checked 3 times to eliminate any issues.
You're well used to Italian ways now. There's no room to actually do the job, so you have to improvise. Great to see another one being saved 👍
Thanks for watching.
Tip: when removing the rocker cover start with the upper battery side bolt. That corner is prone to break.
Very interesting update, battling in that heat against italian engineering and crustiness is no fun I'm sure so I take my hat off to you! Also noticed the last three letters of the reg, an unfortunate acronym 😬
ill be complaining its cold soon.
That's arguably one of the most beautiful cars ever made. I've always wanted one. It's really lovely the owner wants to spend money on it. Way too many of these have ended up as unloved ornaments in driveways.
Couldn't agree more!
Brakes International in Rochdale have the discs in stock
ill have to give them a call.
regarding the slam panel. Given the rarity you may well have to find an expert panel fabricator to make a new one for you but you’d need to be able to get either tech drawings or be able to see another to reference. If you can get it of they can use the old one as a pattern. And thanks for this video which was reallly interesting.
ill see what i can do with it.
Ace stuff man! Back in the day and in the mechanics manual they used to do an engine out to do cambelts lol...it was either 13 or 23 hours official dealer fiat labour apparently! They really did stuff it all in there mind you! Beautiful engine mind! I’m biased of course🤣🤘Can’t wait for next instalment!
Week on Sunday for the next update on it.
Italia Autos good luck!
Ever think about jet washing under the bonnet and engine before beginning, especially as there is plenty of dry out time. Much nicer to work on a clean engine.
Normally once ive finished I would as ill be leaving finger marks everywhere.
Tip: most of the bolt are the ribe type, not torx. Great vid, first on coupe maintenance I know of. Though there a good how to guides on the fccuk site and there is a book written by two enthousiasts.
Correct but torx fit just as well. Most people don't own a ribe set so I say torx. Thanks for watching.
It seems Coupes are generally speaking more rusty in the UK than on mainland Europe. The most rust prone parts: The bracket holding the radiator, the "inverted Eiffel towers" holding the bumpers (front and back), the sills at the wheel arches (due to untreated damages by small stones), from the inside behind the black panels next to the rear seat (water sipping in through the pininfarina badges) and finally behind the black plastic rear wheel arches. One of my two coupes had rust behind the back wheel arches especially, though no structural damage. The other has no rust at all but has always been inside and not near the sea as was the other.
Neil, if you can get what’s left of the old front panel off, would it be possible to make up CAD (cardboard aided design) templates to repair it?
Doing the cambelt on my 1.8 coupe was a lot easier. It helps to have one less cylinder😆 When I took off my slam panel I cut off the bottom part with the rubber and resprayed the rest of it. Don't know how important the rubber is to keep the temp down, in mine it hasn't changed the temperature anyways. I don't mind the music, I liked it😃
Nice work!
Wonderful video, thanks for sharing your problems with us.
Just a quick suggestion, would it possible for you to do a quick vid on all the tools you use and why you prefer that brand as opposed to others please? I’m a novice in the process of building up my tool chest and would love some advice and guidance.
Thanks again
Noted
I've seen a couple of examples of a way to undo rounded-off bolts/screws. It involves using a hand saw to create a cut through the middle of the bolt's head and then using a flathead screwdriver to undo it using the slice that the saw made.
Don't know if you knew, just trying to help out
They where spinning bolts the mounts had broke away so had to cut them off.. mount was rusted away as well.
Enjoyed the video . Doing tricky work on a car and filming at the same time can’t be easy !
The background music spoilt it for me though .
David Foster
there will always be music, it changes every video. filming adds 30% more time to a job.
Do I need to remove the front bumper and radiator in order to replace the olternator in fiat coupe 20 v non turbo?
Are the clutch and flywheel OK? I heard their replacement is a huge pain.
Awesome content, looking forward to more Coupé videos.
Yes they are
Ill have that bumper if your throwing it away !! haha same colour to!! mine got a big scrap on one side!!!
Come and get it.
@@ItaliaAutos Legend Ill come tommorrow !!!
You should have loosened the 18mm bolt on the exhaust cam pully before you tensioned the belt.
In the next 2 weeks my 20V-coupe gets also a new timing belt? (Zahnriemen)...now i have seen how it will bet stretched...:)
I hope you don't mind me saying this but the beginning of your video's always remind me of the ultra short Mark Williams sketches in The Fast Show. "Today we will be having ...". Is it the local accent? :-)
Lol.
Marc, you’re not the first to say that, and living nearby to Neil’s workshop I have a similar accent.
“Yaow aye sin me, roight!!,”
@@greenberlina Roight!
@@greenberlina Oi! Now I still don't know what parts you guys are form! I am Dutch but good enough in english to pick up on the particulars of your regional accents but that is not the same as being able to keep them apart or place them geografically!
Maybe blast the suspension arms and powder coat if it is just surface flake
Woow. What a rust! Are all old cars in UK in this conditions? The weather is not car friendly.
a lot are but its not just fiats.
Engine looks good. Cylinder heads doesn’t look so badly caramelized for and old car.
no its ok. could of been better you can see its gone some long oil changes.
Do you need a special tool kit for the timing job (the cam locks I mean)? Thanks!
yes
I'm so glad I don't live in the UK. The rust on every car I see being worked on over there, would absolutely do my head in.
yep its a nightmare,
Didnt change the phase sensor while your in there? I did my first coupe 20v turbo timing belt swap when a customers phase sensor failed.
I recommend to change the phase sensor every second cambelt change. It’s a cheap part and they tend to fail.
Im a big fan and bought a 166 bumper for my mums 166 (obviously) but i found the new music really annoying on this vid
Is there enough space in the fiat coupe 20V for repairs or does the entire engine have to be thrown out for any repairs?
You can do a cambelt with engine in pretty much
just wondering, when I saw you changing the cambelt on the Coupe : does it have the variator you'll find on the Barchetta engine ? Not that I would make much sense when you have a turbo charged engine I suppose.
No it doesn’t
Italia autos true to your word oh how I do NOT miss changing the belt on my driveway. Just our of curiosity how much was put in the swear jar for this video
zero monies added. well maybe one when TDC had moved. lol
@@ItaliaAutos I'm impressed as when I done mine I was £50 down hahaha good job by the way I love the channel
That's a tricky cambelt change, no access. Never driven a coupé.
There nice cars to drive
Hi mate my 20vt project is almost finished at last. How much would you charge me for a cam belt and water pump. Thanks
Send me an email and we can discuss it. Italiaautoparts@sky.com
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Hi Neil, if you’re waiting for parts, why not drench those bolts with wd40..... might make it handier when it comes to stripping down further.
im pretty sure the heads will disintegrate when i touch them. lol
I would say pb blaster, but that’s assuming the bolts are reusable to begin with. The state that cars in is junk yard status to me. Hats off to you...
@@noelnicholls1894 Nooooo.....it's sort of alright condition. I absolutely love Italian classics & neoclassics, have owned some nice ones. Comparatively, what we are looking at here is just surface rust. My GTV2000 and my X1/9 were much, much worse. And I still drove them 😆
Wow,that is crusty underneath.Curious which is worse to do the cambelt on- Busso v6 or the Fiat?
busso so many bolts to undo
can ya get a grp copy of the slam panel
dont think so.
Hi, has it bean standig still on grass for ever or? I have same color and spec i Swe 😆
it was on a drive against bushes.
I have not been impressed with the genuine filter quality recently. The last one I got from a very respected supplier was not uniform all the way around the rubber ring on top. the rubber was really badly deformed
Oh dear. This one was perfectly fine. Maybe there storage was the problem
How much hours for a cambelt+ water pump change?
About 4-6 hours
@@ItaliaAutos thanks Neil, doing one next month
Why Fiat Don't bring out a 2020 version of this car is beyond me..it would sell like hot cakes...
Also with a good choice of engines available (fiat/Alfa)
The previous owner park it under water for those 7 years? Lol
against a bush down the drivers side.
Good grief there is so much corrosion on that car, it looks like it lived in the sea. I trust that in rebuilding this car, all the rusty, crusty undersides will be treated and repainted.
Surely it would have been easier and better to take the engine out. That way it the crusty alloy could be cleaned up, the engine bay and all the components could be cleaned, and rusty parts treated and repainted.
Yes there on the list to sort.
Italia Autos Good man, the poor Fiat definitely needs a lot of love (care) put back into it. Still she should come up nicely.
Who's the local motor factors? Fast car in Bloxwich?.
i dont really used them for parts.
what a dirty engine bay. This car need a serious TLC badly
I've seen worse. It will all get cleaned once its finished.
Nice job. I just did the cambelt and variator on my Fiat Stilo 1.8. These engines seem very similar (apart from the obvious) It was my first time doing it, and among others, I used your video on the Alfa 2.0 as a guide. Thanks, it worked out great! These disc seem pretty nice? www.autodoc.dk/brembo/1657096
Good stuff
Why won't use rubber gloves? Won't get that much dirty in the whole process of dismembering.
Dont like the new background music, had a to turn volume off, lol
music changes every video, its all easy listening.
You can see why they weren't maybe serviced as much as they should've been. Very intensive labour, even that oil filter looks a pig.
If you didn't know where it was you could spend ages looking for it.
What the hell i just see🙈
i have no idea what you think you saw :-)
With all the work you have to do on the front end surely would of been better to drop the engine out. You could of cleaned the engine up
Wouldn't of been able to show the cambelt with engine in then.