Many pleasant memories from flying TS600, TS601 andTS601P Part 135 late 70's. San Diego to HOU non stop one night 300+kts ground speed (heck of a tailwind), also TVC to HOU nonstop (the absolute lowest amount of fuel I landed with). Many pleasant memories and experiences. Still my favorite plane I ever flew.
Just a couple small points after observation: 1) The takeoff briefing should be completed before taxiing onto the runway. Shouldn’t be briefing while you are lining up on the runway. Too much multitasking at that moment. 2) An ILS has a “Glide slope”. A non-precision RNAV approach has a “Glide Path”. It differentiates how the descent path indication is derived.
Interesting demo... the ball was almost completely out of bounds AND a hefty amount of cross controlled aileron. This is how you end up over on your back in a NY second.
How is right rudder and right aileron a cross control situation? With the left engine out you will have a lot of right rudder if not full right rudder during a VMC demo AND will need to "lift the dead" and have 3° to 5° of bank into the good engine in order to minimize the side slip and maintain directional control. Here is a great talk by a USAF test pilot related to VMC. The information in the video defines a good reason to rotate the Aerostar at 95kts and have the mains leave the runway at 100kts to make sure you are above "actual VMC". Really good watch.
@@AerostarPilot Fantastic series. Thanks. I first met Virgil in 1976 when I was a brand new CFI and went to work for the Grumman dealer very near Virgil's hangar. Over the next 25 or so years I got to know him very well. What a great person. I finally retired from teaching in 2014 when I closed my flight school. We moved the whole operation to Arlington in 2012.
@@AerostarPilot Eric, I am flying TS601B... Left wing has lost one of the Vortex gen? from the leading edge.. ( the one near the engine). Is a No go item? Thanks
@@diegocarlosaguer9516 I have flown one with new boots and no stall strips attached. flew fine. Call Aerostar Aircraft or Juliette Delta Aviation at KCXY and have the send you one. Make sure the stall strips are not coming loose during preflight, if they are, glue them back down so you don't lose another one.
The Aerostar's do not have a stall warning horn because the aerodynamic stall buffeting was sufficient to warn of impending stall. The FAA did not require it. The only Aerostars with a warning horn where the 25 Piper 700P's. I believe this was Piper's choice to add it.
Nice demo and video! How's your short-field ability with the Aerostar? What is your min runway length you would use? Looks like we're pretty close by with our PA-24-250 over at Harvey S43. Love to someday upgrade to something with 5-6 seats and FIKI.
Hi Greg, Email me and I will send you the POH. Personally i limit myself to 3000'. I can get down and stopped in 2200' and off over a 50' obstacle in 2500'. For me, even with 1200 hrs in type, going into Harvey would be too much of a risk. you should fly it with me one of these days since your are close.
I always thought that since the Aerostar was the only aircraft I knew that didn't have stall warning, it was because it couldn't be stalled. I guess I was wrong. So,. why doesn't it have stall warning?
So I want one of you aware pilots to tell me all about how White hazy sky's is our new normal now and not because of the ongoing Geoengineering operation in full effect ..
This gentleman is nor only an excellent pilot, but obviously the "guru" for all matters related to the Aerostar.
It’s almost like being there…. It’s great that you go through all the numbers….
Haha
Many pleasant memories from flying TS600, TS601 andTS601P Part 135 late 70's. San Diego to HOU non stop one night 300+kts ground speed (heck of a tailwind), also TVC to HOU nonstop (the absolute lowest amount of fuel I landed with). Many pleasant memories and experiences. Still my favorite plane I ever flew.
Saw u flew TVC to HOU, I live at tvc and finished my private there (instrument and commercial coming soon).
I so wish I owned an Aerostar! Thanks for the great videos!
Just a couple small points after observation:
1) The takeoff briefing should be completed before taxiing onto the runway. Shouldn’t be briefing while you are lining up on the runway. Too much multitasking at that moment.
2) An ILS has a “Glide slope”. A non-precision RNAV approach has a “Glide Path”. It differentiates how the descent path indication is derived.
Do more of the panel view, seeing the performance is great.
I love a pilot who where’s their hat level to the marching field!
Great video
Interesting demo... the ball was almost completely out of bounds AND a hefty amount of cross controlled aileron. This is how you end up over on your back in a NY second.
How is right rudder and right aileron a cross control situation? With the left engine out you will have a lot of right rudder if not full right rudder during a VMC demo AND will need to "lift the dead" and have 3° to 5° of bank into the good engine in order to minimize the side slip and maintain directional control. Here is a great talk by a USAF test pilot related to VMC. The information in the video defines a good reason to rotate the Aerostar at 95kts and have the mains leave the runway at 100kts to make sure you are above "actual VMC". Really good watch.
You are correct, not cross controlled. I was so focused on the ball completely to the right.@@AerostarPilot
Nice demo. Thanks. And at KPAE too! I taught there for many years, but didn't know of your Aerostar. The only one I knew of was Virgil Morgan's.
Have you seen the series of videos we did on N14VM? Check them out. N11111 has only been there since late 2016.
@@AerostarPilot Thanks for the heads up. I'll certainly watch them all.
@@AerostarPilot Fantastic series. Thanks. I first met Virgil in 1976 when I was a brand new CFI and went to work for the Grumman dealer very near Virgil's hangar. Over the next 25 or so years I got to know him very well. What a great person. I finally retired from teaching in 2014 when I closed my flight school. We moved the whole operation to Arlington in 2012.
@@AerostarPilot Eric, I am flying TS601B... Left wing has lost one of the Vortex gen? from the leading edge.. ( the one near the engine). Is a No go item?
Thanks
@@diegocarlosaguer9516 I have flown one with new boots and no stall strips attached. flew fine. Call Aerostar Aircraft or Juliette Delta Aviation at KCXY and have the send you one. Make sure the stall strips are not coming loose during preflight, if they are, glue them back down so you don't lose another one.
Got the 3 wire ;)
You got a sub
Notice no stall warning horn...be careful.
The Aerostar's do not have a stall warning horn because the aerodynamic stall buffeting was sufficient to warn of impending stall. The FAA did not require it. The only Aerostars with a warning horn where the 25 Piper 700P's. I believe this was Piper's choice to add it.
@@AerostarPilot I have seen two Aerostars with the main struts sticking up through the wing spar having stalled in the landing flare.
Whole lotta ones. I think EVERYONE should do stalls periodically and in ALL configs when they get initial fam.
Nice demo and video! How's your short-field ability with the Aerostar? What is your min runway length you would use? Looks like we're pretty close by with our PA-24-250 over at Harvey S43. Love to someday upgrade to something with 5-6 seats and FIKI.
Hi Greg, Email me and I will send you the POH. Personally i limit myself to 3000'. I can get down and stopped in 2200' and off over a 50' obstacle in 2500'. For me, even with 1200 hrs in type, going into Harvey would be too much of a risk. you should fly it with me one of these days since your are close.
Will do! Might have to take you up on that someday :)
Awesome
Good vids. Making me want to trade up for an Aerostar….
I always thought that since the Aerostar was the only aircraft I knew that didn't have stall warning, it was because it couldn't be stalled. I guess I was wrong. So,. why doesn't it have stall warning?
It doesn’t need an aural stall warning because the aerodynamic buffet warns you long before the stall actually occurs.
Are you based out of Payne field? I am in prebuy on an Aerostar and need training in type. I fly to Payne just about every week.
email me, emreese@comcast.net
What is VMC on the 700? I’m guessing 65-70
All of the PA60 series are 84 kts with exception of the Piper 700p which is 85 kts.
So I want one of you aware pilots to tell me all about how White hazy sky's is our new normal now and not because of the ongoing Geoengineering operation in full effect ..
Actually it is the result of many decades of bad forest management in Canada and the US.