Oversample Everything! Reaper FX and FX Chain Oversampling
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2024
- In which I test out the new Reaper oversampling options that allow you to oversample individual plugins or effects chains.
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Man… what a blessing this channel is. I learn something really valuable with every new upload. Thanks Dan, you’re genuinely making a really meaningful contribution by sharing with us.
The stuff on his Bandcamp is impeccably engineered.
I wonder who did that ? ... 😜
"Honey I shrunk the guitars" LMAO that's why I love these videos of yours, not only educational but also filled with this kind of jokes. Will never get tired of watching your content.
I know there was some criticism regarding your own music in the comments recently. While I’ve always liked your rather ambient/psychedelic music tracks that often were excellently crafted to demonstrate the topics you were discussing, this one is just straight up an absolute banger!
I agree. bought it before the video dropped ;)
Oh how rad, Dan's on spotify as well. I had no idea he released his music until I saw this comment. Thanks.
Well stated...
Start your own plugin company, hire a couple of DSP/JUCE guys, you explain, they code. With the amount of vision you accumulated I'm pretty sure end products will be amazing.
I think he works close enough with Tokyo Dawn and Fabfilter already :)
he already made some plugins under the name of platinumears but they're old now
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01:25 *Does it work?* - 04:11 _Phase_ - 05:11 _Null test_
*Tests:* 06:58 _ReaComp_ - 08:16 _Decapitator_ · 10:08 - 10:59 _Ultra 530_ - 12:34 _Twin 2_ · 14:03
15:26 *Chain OS on all tracks?* - 20:12 - 23:41 *Summary & Outro*
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00:00 Introduction
01:25 Does it work?
04:11 Linear phase
05:11 Null test
06:58 ReaComp for waveshaping distortion
08:16 Soundtoys Decapitator
10:08 The plugin has to support stupidly high samplerates.
10:59 Mercuriall Tube Amp Ultra 530 CME
12:34 FabFilter Twin 2
14:03 Twin 2: oscillator sync
15:26 *Chain OS on all tracks?*
16:43 plugins that don't benefit
17:52 internal OS
18:35 individual > chain OS
20:12 Where chain OS makes sense
23:41 *Summary & Outro*
yeah sure, thanks! but I was gonna watch it all, anyways :D
Thanks wanted to get a look at the tests again 🤘😎
This is amazing. I was already starting to make a slow transition from Protools to Reaper, but this seals the deal, I can’t wait for my primary DAW to be made by a company that actually wants their product to be “good,” and puts recourses into making it so, rather than just putting them towards cornering the market so people feel like they don’t have choices
WELCOME to the Reaper community. Buy this great DAW. IT IS INCREDIBILE.
A few days ago I asked one youtuber sound engineer why he is still on ProTools and he said that most studios and production houses use PT so he is forced to use PT if he wants to cooperate with them.
I hope one day finally professionals will abandon that overpriced platform to work with devs like Reaper and let them grow...just because Reaper is a hell better than any DAW and is an open platform, any dev can write their script and add new functionality to their DAW.
Welcome to Rea World :)
@@mariodario9033 Which youtuber was it?
Welcome to the greatness that is REAPER. A DAW for functionality and creativity vs overpriced fluff.
That was the exact feature I asked in the forum a couple months ago, and I was satisfied to hear that it was already in beta testing.
REAPER Devs straight killing it!
Illuminating point about making a script to just trigger oversampling on everything. Never thought of it like that.
That said, would be cool to see them add an oversampling action to the FX bay. You could go and search through your project by plugin name and batch trigger oversampling on those during mixdown :)
If you're going to oversample everything, you may as well run your project at a higher rate and then you only need to downsample once to your target rate..
@@lambd01d for a specific plugin I said.
the ending with that music really made me feel like we just gained some new superpower, this shit's exciting man!
The real star of many of your videos, for me at least, is your music. I often pay no attention to your thesis because I’m too busy finding my way through your music. Beautiful stuff.
Shut up mom, there's Dan Worral on TV.
4:21 thanks for playing the spike for demonstration purposes 😂😂😂
Excellent exploration with excellent explanations along the way! Keep up the good work, prof. Worrall!
i'm just binging this guy's channel. 9/10 times idk wtf, and that's generous. i should've started "mixing" years ago to have hopefully found this guy sooner. Worrall rules
Great video I love when you answer questions I didn't know I had
Your vids are simply top notch. A great coverage of an excellent new REAPER feature.
The audio geek stuff you deep-dive is so inspiring, I'm always excited to mix again after your videos
Always happy and grateful when another Dan Worrall video lecture is bestowed upon us.
Just found your channel today, instantly in my Top 10. Will be passing it along to others. Thank you! 🖖🏻
That was a wild jam on this one, that beginning was great. Good stuff!
Bum bum bum, bum bum bum, bum bum bum...good song
I have learnt so much since watching this channel! Thanks for all the information
That Bum Bum song is AMAZING!
Nothing better than an informative video paired with a badass track. This guy shows deep knowledge in both his teaching and his music work. Props
Dan, that's a great video and I'm sure different people will get different things out of it. I especially liked the section where you demonstrated what an over-sampled Decapitator would sound like as the difference was reasonably clear and if you had that on a number of tracks then the cumulative effect would be quite obvious.
The fact that I kind of understand all of this is as amazing as the knowledge you provided. So Thank you.
This was the coolest video I've watched in a long time. And I watch a lot of them. Happy Friday!
killer tune btw! loved the theme and then the dubbled theme with the guitar at 14:30!
Brilliant demo & explanation as ever - thanks Dan!
Hi dan worrall im new to your channel... Didnt realise til i found your channel how nice it is to have videos on mixing etc that actually helps me to learn something new and i genuinely cant thank you enough for your content. Its weird to me that helpful honest content can seem to be such a novelty on youtube, seems to be trending gear/plugin porn mostly. Thanks for demonstrations that are practical and help me learn more interesting things in this challenging arena. 👍
Can’t thank you enough for all the things I’ve learned from you! ❤️
I really love what you, David Vignola & Michael White do, although you are all slightly different you all have a great way of teaching which translates to all levels of understanding and I'm currently working my way through all your videos. Thank you!
THANK YOU!!! I`m a distorted- drumloop- junkie and this video opened my eyes !🤘
For each example, the distortion was more fun, even more clear distortion, when oversampled. Thanks for this, Dan.
I’ve been waiting for months for this feature to get in the official release branch! I love it!
Great video. The most surprising thing is how obvious the aliasing is on a linear sweep and how subtle it is in a mix
Please never stop making videos, no matter how in depth and intricate the information that you're sharing is, someone, somewhere at the edge of the world just gets it, as good as you do and they sleep in relief, knowing that. And because he understands what's up, everyone before him who discovered and denied you, now has evident reason to believe in this level of passion and love you put into sonics.
Excellent video as usual. Very educational.
Thanks again for another wonderful video I'm sure to be linking to everyone for a long time.
Excellent one !!!! very very usefull . Thanks
I always enjoy the songs on these videos, and this one is my new favorite. Not sure what genre that would be, but it's hella groovy.
…and your track in the background is DOPE! 😎👍
informative as always but that TRACK WHOOOOOOOOOOOPPPP this is SO heavy... i love it
Aliasing is what makes the classic mpcs sound so good, and other samplers like emu sp1200, emax etc
I love the vocal parts in the song.
I was about to mention that the aliasing can sound cool on crunchy drums and then you said it. Also if you just eq some sizzle out... You'll have lessened some high sizzle and kept anything else you wanted from it.... If you wanted it. With synths it's often very horrible but sometimes it's what you need as long as you can tame those nasty Hz. You've showed that too. This is a great video, it's great for people to sometimes recognise there's aren't so much as rules, but guides in music production 👍👍
Yep! I always A/B oversampling when I am thinking about using it. There are many many times I actually prefer that aliasing. Totally program dependant!
Thanks Dan much appreciated.
Very nice, I started using Reaper because of your vids, I also thought I could rewire audio to use vsts in pro tools (rip). I've been tracking and mixing in pro tools then mastering with Reaper, it's been great thanks again!
This was such a great lesson on oversampling. Thank you. I noticed it in Reaper, but I didn't really understand whether I'd need to use it or not. It was great to hear some of these examples.... and I mean hear. Sometimes someone will demonstrate some very subtle mixing technique, and my ears are too untrained to hear the difference. Twin 2 was a cool example... the difference was fairly dramatic. I guess the lesson here is just try it out on various plugins and listen for enough of a difference. And I think I'll steer clear of chain oversampling.
It was also very helpful to get the explanation about the plugin's max sample rates, and things like filters not operating well above a certain rate. I had tried Reaper's oversampling and got weird results from a couple of plugins, and I'd have to say that was due to them not supporting high sample rates.. at least not 768khz.
Dan - You added vocals to your background music - Sweet! It works nicely. And the video is epic as always - especially since I use Reaper ;-)
BUM BUM (bum) BUM BUM (bum)
I don't claim to understand _half_ of this. But, as always, you left my jaw on the floor. Maybe one day, I will learn something from this. In the meantime, I just enjoy being absolutely flabbergasted.
This tune is sick by the way. And the info is on point
Dan Worrall: putting the engineering part back into audio engineering.
BTW that was the exact feature I asked in the forum a couple months ago, and I was satisfied to hear that it was already in beta testing.
Nice track Dan! And the info is pretty good too ;-)
“With great power comes great responsibility.” Words to live by
I heard this was in the works a few months ago and it's the first time I've ever got excited about an upcoming feature in a DAW.
I might've made the feature request you referred to (or a similar one).
The intention isn't to toggle oversampling on/off for every track, just where it was manually turned on to save CPU while mixing similar to how many plugins with OS have separate options for real-time and rendering. Ideally Reaper would just include real-time/rendering OS options, but this was a possible workaround.
Great stuff Dan!
Comment because the algorithm loves comments. Love your work Dan!
Love the music on this one, Dan.
I hope you release the music for ACE and the Repros some day.
this feature is sick as hell. Reaper proves itself the best DAW yet again
I don’t think any other DAW’s would dare implement this. For a less tweaky “power user” DAW they’d get inundated with support requests about plugins that don’t work right with it (as demonstrated in this video). I can see third party developers not liking it too because now their plugins that don’t support a 768kHz sample rate seem broken to users that don’t know better. They don’t support a big feature of the host DAW. All of which is to say: for those that do know what’s up, Reaper is a winner ;)
@@mrnelsonius5631 i'm pretty sure bitwig will have this at some point. bitwig has a lot of container tracks, which are basically plugin-wrappers with special functionality like multiband-splitting, mid/side encoder, parallel-processing etc. even the simplest container, the chain, is already so much more useful than any other daw's plugin chain, because you can apply modulators to it that then can act on every parameter of every plugin in the chain. you often end up with a single automation that controls so many things that the evolution of the sound is just amazing. ok not saying it's definitely "better" than reaper. reaper has a lot of nerdy details that make this daw unique in its own way. but if there is one daw where i expect oversampling to become a thing as well it is bitwig.
@@Beatsbasteln Ableton also has a kind of wrapper setup with Effect Racks. I use them for complex routing and parallel processing; essentially making my own unified plugin window with multiple processors. It’d be really easy to implement OS there in a way that only knowledgeable users would tinker with, but I’m not holding my breath ;)
@@Beatsbasteln I wish Reaper had this. It's got such flexible plugin routing but the workflow is as if it was in beta
@@gabrieldoudna6570 yeah. i think reaper even has the most flexible routing options of all daws. it's just that they are hidden in weird menus sometimes
This is great for favorite older vst synths like Waldorf Largo that sound noticeably different (like you said, not necessarily better) when oversampled, especially when abusing the FM capabilities. EDIT: LOL just got to the Twin2 part
Cool video, Dan. Thanks 🫡
great new feature. what's a bit surprising with the drum loop demo is that it really improved stereo separation to me. it's clearly got some less distortion, but it also sounds much wider and the elements can be clearly picked out in the stereo image, rather than being smeared into a more mono image.
wow the gate - kick kick- trick is what I do not expect in this video but really head me up to this comment, haha great content again Mr.Worrall
The Reacomp and Decapitator examples…. I vastly preferred the OS audio- which surprises me because I don’t typically worry with aliasing too much. They immediately sounded more analog to me as well, which is a description I don’t typically think means much!! 🙃🤷♂️
Dan Worral - you are the baddest geek on the circuit.
You just started up my tinnitus again with thst sweep
These match my own conclusions about oversampling using Metaplugin in PT
I was waiting for this video!!!!
great lesson once again
I don't think you mentioned this, but it looks like you're using the r8brain resampling algorithm based on your results. I think the default is something else, so for people to get the same quality results, they need to go to project settings and change the playback & rendering resampling mode to r8brain. You can reduce latency at the cost of less-good antialiasing by using some of the lower quality modes for the playback resampling mode. Personally I still think it's better to just track without oversampling and then add it for mixing, where necessary.
ya, ive changed the playback resample to IIR or IIR x2 setting to get oversampling in realtime
Awesome new feature !
Freaking awesome background music!
Thanks! An extremely useful series of videos, we are waiting for the continuation. Big about tests, oversampling, aliasing, analog summing, transcates, dittering and other horror of digital.I would really like to understand which is better 24/96 or 64(2.8 MHz / 1 Bit)..
thank you great info as always
Thanks for the research!!!
I wonder if they could add a feature to specify a certain set of plugins within the chain to be oversampled as a chain so you could use that where appropriate without messing up the rest of the chain. Subchains, basically, or folders for specific groups of plugins within a chain. It's a pretty niche use case, so I can see why they wouldn't bother, but it could still be handy.
Great stuff! Hope to see a separate option for "offline", like Meta-Plugin and some others.
Good tutorial, and I tried MetaPlugin long ago. For my applications, aliasing is not an issue for the standard setup, so I have abandoned the oversampling topic. It is used in my mastering on the comp/limiter only.
Great video! Interestingly, in most situations where I actually want saturation or heavy clipping, it tends to be on sounds where the fundamental frequency fairly low, so the lack of AA on the Soundtoys plugins never really bothered me. Nice to have this option, though.
ditto
16x oversampled drum loop sounds a tiny tiny tiny bit less harsh when the cymbal is playing alone. Tiny difference, but it's there!
Those little differences add up
@@1337murk oh for sure, I'm actually impressed at how audible the difference is.
this is awesome, keep it up
You can oversample in Cakewalk to. Great feature!
Hey, good video and good new feature :)
So, right now I am working on a project in 96khz with Reaper, all audio was recorded at 96. There are amp simulations, distortion plugins and just basically a big load of effects.
Now I was wondering if there is any need for me to oversample? I watched your other video about sample rates, but I am still not 100% sure what the best solution is for me.
Also, because the project is in 96kHz, it's very CPU demanding, so it reacts pretty slow, which ist still tolerable but not ideal.
When I choose 48kHz in project/sound driver settings it will resample all media, right? I tried this and when I just change the sample rate without any further actions the sound is very different and definitely worse, much less subtle of a difference then in your examples here, and I think it was aliasing.
I then tried to stick to 48 but oversample every plugin that has the ability to do oversampling for a test. Which were a small proportion of all plugins (the fabfilter and some izotope stuff), and it didn't make a difference, or not big enough of a difference. (maybe something like the not oversampled Decap is the problem in that case, which would make sense)
So two questions, would it be less CPU demanding to have the session downsample the media material to 48kHz by Reaper and then oversample most FXs and are there any pitfalls regarding sound quality? (for instance do I need to worry about resampling quality in Reaper or do any Low Passing manually)
And secondly, how can I achieve the best quality for playback and rendering, would I need to care about oversampling plugins when I would choose to run/render the session at 96?
Would be extremely helpful if you or anyone else can give me a hint about this.
Best Regards
Love this segment. Gives me a lot to chew on.
Hello Dan, first off, great vidoe as always. Since Reaper does linear phase, from my limited understanding, that's not always needed. Does it take advantage of minimal phase oversampling which in turns takes a lot less cpu power. Something to think about. That's one of the reasons I love SIR's Standard Clip.
This needs to be in every daw
What's better than Bum Bum, Bum, Bum Bum? OVERSAMPLED Bum Bum, Bum, Bum Bum! Excellent video as always, Dan. And the song is catchy as hell. I want to remix it! Pleeeaseee?
22:53
from reaper release details:
if both chain and instance are set, the higher of the two is used
That song is a banger
Great video (again). Every time I hear about these issues in the digital domain a little voice says to me "do saturation in the analog domain".
Thanks Dan
Cakewalk way ahead of everyone. Had this feature for 10 years.
I love your videos
Thanks Dan for this video. I always find myself liking the aliasing some of the plugins add, so, for me at least, this is a feature I will barely touch, but I'm not saying it's not great, I think this is a "normal" way to go today, with all that power from nowadays CPUs. Can't wait to see what you've prepared for your next videos :) Cheers
Really? Do you do pretty much only electronric music, then? If you're after an analog sound.... It's just sounds pretty horrible.
@@ramspencer5492 Oh no, not at all...it's just I don't overuse the plugins (especially the ones that are creating some kind of distortion) so much that I need that anti-aliasing, but when I do, I find myself liking it :) (if that makes any sense).
man those drums on the track :)
pls spare my neck kind sir, this is too much of a headbanger
Would love to see a similar review of the DDMF Metaplugin oversampling.
Damn that music in the beginning is groovy in the background!
OS on the Decapitator examples sounds like it is clearer distortion on the drum loop. "Clearer distortion", Hahaha! Thanks Dan!