Truth be told, I like the Supremacy. I’ve wanted a factory ship is Star Wars for a long time. If it were in a different movie in the saga, I’d like it a lot more.
It's more surprising that this sort of mobile base of operations wasn't more common among factions within Star Wars. Considering the frequency at which planets are blockaded, bombarded, or destroyed outright, it's surprising that every faction capable of producing and fielding large capital ships didn't have something similar.
the only other faction in the galaxy that had something able to create Capital Ships near-instantaneously was the Infinite Empire of 25,000 years ago: their Star Forge was a stationary platform placed in orbit around their homeworlds' native star of Abo and drawed raw energy and resource materials from extracting the Hydrogen and fusing it together into other useful elements to be used in creating weapons, armor, droids, Starfighters and Capital Ships all in only a matter of minutes. The only realistic downside to this was that the entire facility was created out of Lignan: An extremely-rare, highly-addictive, Dark Side-Imbued metallic alloy that the Rakata basically used in all of their construction; and it was so potent in the Dark Side that the Rakata became addicted to the substance to the point of dependancy on it to use the Force. Because of this when the Lignan began to run out; their own natural Force-Sensitivity was pretty-much non-existant: which was a major problem because ALL of their technology revolved around using the Force to operate, including the Star Forge itself.
Bizarre that planets are treated as being so weak in Star Wars. A planet with defenses would be many orders of magnitude more powerful than a fleet, and be able to manufacture stuff and reinforce itself constantly. After all, a fleet has to carry all its shit around with it. Planetary defenses can be as heavy as you damn well feel like it since they don't need to move at all.
@@ENCHANTMEN_ That's only true in some cases. Resource rich industrialized/militarized planets in Star Wars DO do this, but less resource rich less self sufficient planets don't have the luxury of planetary fortification.
@@ENCHANTMEN_ the thing is a planets defences is up to that planet which if you heavily defend one planet the enemy will likely just ..attack sonewhere else. A navy is funded by the government as a whole. Aswell planets are inherently stationary. Weapons in sw get to a scale where it can destroy ANYTHING that cant move
@@jonumine6250 Well, there are actually two ways of using an interdictor. The first way is by tricking the hyperdrive safety protocols into thinking that it's next to a gravity well. The second way is by using the full power of the interdictor to actually generate a gravity well that impedes all hyperspace travel regardless if any safety features have been disabled. So if they're used correctly (like how our Lord and Savior Grand Admiral Thrawn used them), they can prevent ANY ship from escaping, but the key word there is "correctly".
Honestly, the Supremacy is probably so big that it might not be able to project an interdiction field large enough to be useful. I mean, if something is right in front the ship, it can ion cannon or turbolaser (or tractor beam) it into submission easily enough. The Resistance fleet was pretty far away from the ship (being out of range of most of its weapons), so it would have been an enormous gravity well to stop them.
Rian Johnson can't be bothered with such details that would have made his already lore breaking holdo maneuver ineffective. They threw established lore right out the window for the sake of the spectacle of it. What does that say when arguably the best thing in the movie is also the dumbest?
So this is basically High Charity in Star Wars, or is it not? A huge self sufficient city/military base that moves around the galaxy. Could you make a vs video?
The only thing in sci-fi that rivals its size and volume is the world ship in the Blameverse, which is a ship that’s made up of mega cities on earth that constantly builds infrastructure to the point it is the size of the diameter of Jupiter
This just proves that if the Empire and Sidious valued quality over quantity and considered their rebellion an actual threat instead or a minor inconvience then the rebellion wouldn't have stood a chance. Sidious got cocky and lazy and tarkin just made everything worse
@@beccahuttsell6001 Except it couldn't jesus fucking christ you people. It has been explained, time and time again, that the ram only worked because of a very specific set of circumstances and prototype shielding that worked totally differently than normal shields. So no, hyperspace ramming isn't the solution to literally every big ship.
Yup... the idea that any old garbage scow with a hyperdrive and a grudge, can take out a capital ship more than 10,000 times its own size... RUINS the plots of every previous Star Wars movie. Thanks Rian and Kathleen... that scene sprayed feces all over the entire franchise. Why build death stars? Any hyperdrive equipped ship with a droid pilot programmed to ram it, could mow a hole 30+ kilometers deep into it. That kind of defeats the whole purpose of giant ships and death stars. Hell, if I were the rebel alliance, I'd be equipping large asteroids with hyperdrives and programming them to slam into the empire's capital ships at every opportunity.
So what you're saying is a few of these would have been a vastly better decision than building the Death Star either time, or Star Killer Base... I feel like mistakes were made.
yeah and the first miskate was to made this sequels the second dont look at the plot or the starwars universe "rules" about how ships travel in space or hyperspace the third one its being the second mistake made, try to make a ship that could work in the old rules, which made this huge, overprice ship a complete piece of junk now with ships that can break anything while enter in hyperspace, star destroyers, dreadnough, death star, star killer and all capital ships are useless combat ships.
@@johnsmith401 To be completely fair, even the Sequels admit that the Holdo Maneuver was a 1-in-a-Million shot. If anyone were to attempt it again, it's unlikely they'd achieve the same result. But I do agree that, for the most part, the Sequels were a mistake.
Especially since destructive arrays of similar firepower could be fitted to much smaller platforms. The Death Star was just a massive and awkward showpiece.
@@AndorRadnai yeah it’s interesting Palpatine was using it when he had access to the Xyston class Perhaps the Kyber technology was considered but he couldn’t actually get it sorted until the sequel era
The Supremacy suffered an extreme case of the usual weakness of Empire military tech - one big target syndrome. It happened to both Death Stars, it happened to Star Killer Base, and now it has happened to the Supremacy, but the Empire/First Order never learns. If you can't effectively protect your super capital ship/ultimate weapon, it is just a liability, a massive waste of resources and money just waiting to be blown up, taking a huge crew with valuable skills with it. It would have been nice if the threat of the Supremacy had been better established on screen and it had checked out in a more compelling fashion than just being rammed by a cruiser, but the ultimate outcome is the same.
Yeah, there was no reason to bring it out in the first place. PERIOD. They couldn't move Starkiller base, which makes me wonder since the New Republic should have seen it at some point and known it was a threat, but not only that, it has to drain a start completely to fire it, so once it exhausts the sun(s) nearby, it can't fire anymore, and it's a huge schwerer Gustav at this point. The Supremacy shouldn't have been seen on screen unless it was found by the Resistance. It's not a front-line combat vessel, it's a base in space.
@@ChaoticJester The Jedi had cruiser class vessels (or rather the Grand Army of the Republic did), but they didn't favour super-capital class ships like the Supremacy or vast constructs like the Death Star. The Jedi never really went for the all your eggs in one basket type strategy that so typifies both the Empire and later the First Order
Just have the surviving star destroyers tractor beam it into a stable orbit around Crait and mine the planet for materials for repairs as the old reble base was originally a mining colony.
Hey at 3:07 you say that the supremacy had 2 external docks and 6 internal docks, but it’s the other way around. But other than that, good video! To me the supremacy’s true strength lies in its function as a mobile factory & shipyard. In my fleet I’d probably modify it to dock smaller corvettes and frigates as well
Kevin Ngo for some reason the first order stopped sending tie fighter squads to attack the ship or didn’t use hyperspace to get some capital ships in front of the Raddus
The ship's number 1 flaw: no gravity well (anti-hyperspace) generators on it or its escort fleet. A weapon the Galactic Empire was famous for against rebels using hit and run tactics
It is possible the the Supremacy had it. However, Hux ans the officers though pointless to use it because of hyperspace tracking, and when they realise what Holdo was doing, it was too late to activate it.
Also a gravity well, generated from the vacinity of the ship, would create a pulling effect towards the ship and the well. If you are trying to prevent someone flying the opposite way then yes thats useful. If your trying to stop them from going towards you however, the gravity well has just made it much easier for that ship to get sucked towards you.
@@lordseelenfresserdemonking1168 Well it isn't an atmospheric ship it's too big and it probably turns like a b2 bomber more power is diverted to one side of the ship to help it turn
I'm just impressed that apparently the Raddus's deflector shields seemed to be extremely effective against weapons called "Super Heavy Turbo Laser's". I mean regular turbo lasers sure but these massive weapons seems to be a bit of a stretch on Disney's part.
@@chrissonofpear1384 It was not really gravity. It just looked like it was bending due to the weird camera angle of both ships relative to the weapons emplacements.
The only thing i don't get about the supremacy is that why does it not have a super laser, or at least a few battering ram cannons, as the eclipse was far smaller, at only 17km, whereas the supremacy was nearly 60km long, so they could have fitted a super laser on it, as well as that, why could they not put gravity wells on it? I mean, it's an awesome ship and in my top three favourite ships, but it is tactically flawed.
The Supremacy alone with everything on must take huge amounts of energy. Sure they had redundant systems on it but powering a super laser let alone a gravity well generator would also need massive amount of energy. The Gravity wells field has a big range but that won’t matter if the ships the supremacy is facing is moving way faster. The Energy also has to go to their massive engines, turbo lasers, shields, their factories on the ship, and the lights in general. The reason why they didn’t put a gravity well generator on a star destroyer because the generators takes a bunch of energy to operate. Hope this answers your question.
TheSunkenCommander yes your right they could have at least have specialized interdictors like the empire did. If you have a fleet that is about to hunt you want your prey to have no chances of escaping.
@@OrDuneStudiosyeah, I really don’t get the ‘energy needs’ comment. The thing is big enough to contain all the fusion reactors the GW Generators or Super Lasers would need, without impacting anything - and have multiples of each.
I really love the supremacy. Its definitely one of my favourite star wars ships, and I'm glad to see you go into detail on it. However I must point out that at 3:07 you said it has 8 docks, 2 externally and 6 internally. I know you meant the other way round but that is just me wanting to point stuff out like that.
yep, though to be fair the homeworld mothership class ship wasn't also an infantry training center and a super dreadnought. this makes the mothership class ship far more realistic.
#1: It changes the laws of the universe so that someone ships can crash into it in light-speed, even though their warp technology doesn't work that way.
Hyperspace technology. The Warp Drive travels through real space, so it can actually ram at FTL speeds. A Hyper-Drive, however, shifts the ship into hyperspace, so it's no longer in the physical universe.
Eclipse was set to ram the Galaxy Gun Superweapon without Hyperspace and the only reason it was destroyed was due to the explosion caused by the Superweapon being destroyed so i bet it could survive a few
No ship was made to withstand hyperspace ramming because this tactic wasnt a move you could actually pull in the starwars universe... Untill the last jedi retconned it all and made the idea of deathstars laughable when you can just strap hyperdrives to bulk cargo loaders filled up with high-mass junk, aim it at a target and send it off at light speed+
Old comment, but don't worry too much, they made some crappy coverup to ensure that nothing like that happens again, y'know , the prototype shields the ship had. So pretty sure thanks to that it won't happen any more.
@@thebadness6217 What are you asking? The in-universe reason is that using hyperdrives pops you into an alternate dimension where faster than light travel is possible.. real objects project a kind of gravity-based 'shadow' into this hyper-verse based on how much mass said object has in real space.. hence why there's a danger of hitting planets and traveling through hyperspace requires navigational computations to be safe. However actually hitting something while in hyperspace does no harm to the object projecting the 'shadow' you just hit for the same reason that punching someone's shadow does no harm to the person the shadow is cast from. As for why star wars hyperdrives work this way, its because if hyperdrive ramming was possible, no-one would ever build a death star because for the price of a hyperdrive, a droid pilot and a sufficiently massive hunk of junk (be it a ship, scrap metal or an asteroid), you could essentially do what they did in the last Jedi and blow up the death star without any of the fancy 'send a torpedo into the reactor through the tiny exhaust port' tactic. In short, if this kind of hyper-ramming is possible... the prior movies would not possibly have happened the way they did because all the problematic superweapons could have been replaced by or destroyed by a method that is several orders of magnitude cheaper than building those superweapons could ever be. (case in point, one simple light resistance cruiser basically took out the big mega-ship and most of the smaller destroyers of the first order fleet for a ridiculously small fraction of the cost that it took to build those things). If this was something you could just do whenever you wanted all along in Starwars. The story for the entire 9 movie series would have to change significantly to accommodate for this being possible... Or we can just ignore the one film (not counting the 9th one which tried and failed to compensate for the 8th) that screwed everything up beyond repair.
@@accywacky2699 the first paragraph explains how she hit it. The 2nd paragraph is irrelevant because you are not one that dictates what the fictional empire or first order or sith empire or whoever builds for their military. I mean we literally have the US military building aircraft carriers when there's currently talks of how having a crap ton of missile launching subs and ships would be more effective at winning a war against a near peer adversary. Who is actually right on that subject? Who the hell knows. If you gonna look that deep into nitpicking story elements of films, why even bother watching any film. Because you can find plotholes, continuity errors or physic inaccuracies in every film in existence.
@@thebadness6217 Because when one film in the series invalidates the other 7 that have come before it and the person who made it has gone on record for not giving an eff about Starwars it is pretty obvious that this loophole did not require 'looking deep' or nitpicking... its as obvious as "in a movie series that feature big planet destroying superweapons as plot points, do not introduce a way where anyone in that universe who can afford the equivalent of a transport truck can use it as a one-shot weapon that can destroy those superweapons with ease."
Except it's probably not that strong. It functions the same way as the Death Star, but they used it to break open a door from close range. I doubt it's strong enough to vaporize fully shielded ships at range.
Also could've stuck a couple of orbital cannons from a Mandator IV on it with ease, and I suspect Poe wouldn't be able to Bart Simpson phone prank his way to take out the point defense on the Supremacy.
what would be cool is if they had built a self-repairing system aboard the Supremacy. That way, if they ever bring it back, they can see the ship basically repairing itself through a system of nano robots or something that filled the holes made by Holdo's blast
@@michaeldougherty2807 Except you know they would. We'd be treated to another year-long wingeing binge as they complain about how being able to repair a ship like that breaks the fucking lore.
The Supremacy was probably built during the days of the empire and was intended as a mobile base of operations to be used in the outer rim and in the conquest of unknown space. It was a strategic asset and never intended to be used in front-line combat.
It may have had them but they hadn't bothered to activate them seeing as how they were in pursuit of a rebel Cruiser and they themselves may have needed to enter hyperspace. The gravity well generators may also have interfered with the hyperspace tracking
Lets put it this way..... The DS-1 Orbital Battle Station (Death Star) is 160km in Diameter, and has a Cargo Capacity of over 1-Million Kilotons. If full on Cargo, and it crashed into an Earth-like Planet at Lightspeed, it would explode with enough force to - at the bare minimum - turn the planet into a molten, lifeless husk. Plus side, that's still not enough destructive force to turn the planet into a Debris field by itself.....but the resulting explosion from the Death Star's Hypermatter Reactor might. So yeah, catastrophic destruction even at the bare minimum level.
If the Death Star has enough power to fire a planet-obliterating turbolaser, then shouldn't the explosion of its hypermatter reactor be sufficient to destroy a planet as well?
6:53 “There’s just no surviving a hostile encounter with this city-sized weapons platform. Unless you bring a Death Star, or ram it at hyperspeed.” I feel like it’s difficult to survive ramming it at hyperspeed. Holdo sure didn’t survive.
Old comment, but they could lock it into orbit around crait or something, and use what's left as a station while they mine resources to repair the ship
No Star Wars media films or shows ever feel like they give us a proper feeling of scale of these things. It isn't often that we see anything bigger than a capital ship next to fighters. So when the capital ship rammed the Supremacy, its size just didn't feel very apparent. This whole video does this monster justice.
Hi Everyone!!! Hey I feel like certain people Underestimate Starwars Legends. When it comes to against Warhammer 40K because 1. 40k fans ignore the fact that Starwars Legends has Star Weirds, and Space Wraiths of which nothing physical can't hurt them. Star weirds are special Energy Spirts. Star Weirds have the ability to use Extreme Lightning of unique kinds and colors of it . The can use Stars , drain Stars, and throw Stars. They can go in and out of Black Holes. Starweirds can Mimic and use terror Scream in the middle of outer Space. They can go into Hyperspace , Spaceships and in things completly silent while mimicing their opponents , while haunting and use terror on their victims and they can do other things. (Starwars Legends Star Weirds can take on 40K Necrons. The Warhamer 40K Necrons can get hurt physically. Space Wraiths from Starwars Legends can take on the Demons from WarHammer 40K. ) 3. Lets point some things out. Starwars Legends does have a better Governement, Better Space Travel tech, and more Creativity of Space Ship types and Varients- Examples ( Battle Cruisers, Frigates, Corvets, Carriers, Destoyers, Dreadnaughts, Support ships, Super Weapon ships, and other things.) Like the Well awesome creative round donut Spaceship CIS/Separatist Lulkhulk Carriers/Destoyers. The Starwars Legends ships look nicer compared to the Warhammer 40K. 4. Starwars Legends does have Chaos. 40K people ignore the fact that Starwars does have Chaos in it. 5. Starwars Legends is balanced, it has the Force of the Lightside and the Dark side in it. Meaning Starwars has ( Good vs Evil) in it . Starwars has War and Peace in it. Warhammer 40K is 95% Unbalanced. Warhammer 40K mainly just has War in it. 6. Starwars Legends has Capitalism in it. Has Friends that can help, and Support each other. The Starwars Universe is more Unified. on the other hand Warhammer 40K is Communitist and its Ununified mostly. ( Except the Tau from Warhammer 40K the Tau are more of the only good guys in the 40K Universe. ) 7. Starwars Legends also does have a Super weapon that can destroy another Universe. Like how Warhammer 40K can. Now onto some examples Let's take the Matter Universe and anything that is made of Matter. Anything that is Matter can't surive in Other Space from Starwars Legends. Because In Starwars Legends Other Space is White Outer Space is the complete opposite from Regular Black Outer Space. Warhammer 40K only has 1 type of Infinate Outer Space. Starwars Legends has 2 types of infinate Outer Spaces it has 1. Other White Outer Space is really Hot and has Cold Stars. Basically has ( White Holes, Light Energy , Light Anti Matter, Anti Matter, Anti HoleWorms, Anti Gravity, Anti Particles, Anti Atoms, and other things) Starwars has this!! 2. And theirs Regular Black Outer Space. Black Outer Space is really Cold with Hot Stars. Regular outer Space basically has ( Black Holes, Dark Energy, Dark Matter, Matter, WormHoles, Gravity, Particles, Atoms and Other things.) Starwars and Warhammer 40K has this!!! Though you can't really contain Anti Matter in a container made of Matter because the Anti Matter and Matter are the opposite from each other they will cancel each other out it will become nothing Emptyness. Only if you put Anti Matter and Matter Together. and even right by each other.
First Order: Nothing can defeat the Supremacy! Legends Palpatine: (destroys the Supremacy using the Eclipse's super laser) You were saying? First Order: ...
The Executor could survive having three Imperial-class Star Destroyers ramming it in hyperspace speed with only the shields being out for a while. The Supremacy couldn't survive one Rebel cruiser doing the same thing. ARGUMENT OVER.
Hunh, it looks like he also doesn't put up his Christmas Tree in a timely fashion. Glad I am not the only one to have forgotten to take my tree down, and its still there in my living room, lit up too!
@6:50 I still cringe at the fail of seeing "gravity" affect the weapons fire. And the idea of running out of fuel was equally ludicrous - momentum would've carried the ships ad infinitum.
Lots of sci fi ignores the laws of motion in space, so it is not unique to star wars. I mean, it's a franchise with star fighters making turns like WW2 era atmospheric planes. The "gravity" effect is just a visual illusion based on the position of the ship/camera.
Do keep in mind when one object ceases to accelerate it continues at its last course and speed until acted upon. With that said the First Order ships continued to accelerate or chase the Rebels so they would have over taken the Rebel frigates which were no longer accelerating at sub light speed. One a side note do you ever wonder why they Rebels did not just dock with the larger ship move both cargo and fuel into the larger ship then scuttle the ship or send it off with enough fuel to distract the First Order ships or better yet send it back at them as a hyper-speed missile.
Add gravity well generators, missle jammers (if there aren't any), and a kyber crystal powered superlaser stronger than the eclipse's one and you've got an unstoppable force
They scuttled it, damn I was hoping she'd make a comeback. I remember thinking that it was ridiculous until I got a hold of the cross sections for Last Jedi, and now she's my second favorite ship in Star Wars, right behind the OG big daddy the Executor.
I've thought since the moment we saw Ren looking from the throne room of at the other the severed half. Of how goddamn freaking awesome it would be if they kept the half and a bit that was cut of but remained functioning. Supreme Leader Ren and General Hux seemed pretty safe on the remaining half looking out the veiwport at the smoldering fiery remains of the other half. So the other half is gone. But the rest remains. And what remains is this badass silhouette like a dagger that I think would be absolutely gorgeous in atmosphere. It is truly symbolic of Ren himself. It's broken, scarred and torn apart. It's absolutely beautiful symbolically. It would show the first order prowess and what a force they are. The resistance fucking hyperspace jumped directly into the Supremacy ship. The most devastating manevour that has been done to a ship in Star Wars. It was cut it in half and just the debris from it completely obliterate star destroyers. And yet the supremacy stands, it may not be whole but it is ready to fight.
It really feels like a waste to scuttle such a powerful ship, the First Order could really just secure the space around it and work to get it repaired, cause it still had power after it got rammed and was probably still combat effective
Generation tech, you guys have a huge star wars channel. Does Disney or george Lucas ever talk to you to make sure you don't say something they don't want you to say? Hah
Ah yes its unrivalled ability to track ships in hyperspace that was SO unrivalled even Supreme Leader Snoke didn't know his ship could do that until General Hux told him.
Personally I figured that the projectiles from those large canons had solid cores that enabled the trajectory change, as proton torpedos have solid cores with an energy field around them, and they can turn on a dime. It would be a useful feature to have on a ship, as it would enable canons on top of the ship to fire at objects below the ship, and you would be able to fire over asteroids or debris
As the franchise deteriorated, I pictured an alternative script, picking up from Aftermath towards a new version of the Dark Empire stories. Making the Supremacy into Palpatine's last trump card, left on auto-pilot on the unknown regions for the First Order to find, sounds a better script than TFA, IMHO.
If the Transformer giant Unicron was to need a new form and fix him self up if he was damaged, this ship would be it that he would need for his new body and alt mode. Maybe using the tech to build Star Destroyer Transformer armada with human size bots on bored, making for some new bots and way's for Unicron to take over an invade.
Why on earth would you scuttle the ship if only half of it was destroyed? With all the capabilities of this ship it had the means of repairing itself, and with all the advance tech it would make much sense to secure and let the droids repair the ship. You literally have droid factories on the ship dedicated to repair and maintenance. Just give it some time and let the droids do the work. It had the industrial capabilities of a small planet which is insane. Scuttling this ship would be the equivalent of having half the U.S. being bombed and the US deciding to abandoning the mainland and chill in Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico.
if anyone stupidly asks "why didn't they just hyperspace ram the death star" here's the answer, Rebels didn't have a big ship for yavin, second death star, shield was still up and half their mon calamari crusiers were destroyed or too think to hit the cores
Alan, got an alternate Star Wars history video for you! Before this video, I was watching "What Droids did the Clones FEAR most on the Battlefield?" by Geetsly's. Earlier today I watched the Clone Wars episode where Count Dooku was ordered to kill Ventress. It got me thinking: What would have happened if Dooku had realized Sidious wanted Ventress dead because he feared the combined powers of Dooku and Ventress and, as a contingency plan, he and Ventress had agreed "You are no longer my apprentice" was code to initiate an assassination of Sidious? As a bit more to run with, My initial thoughts are Dooku would utilize specialized droids to learn of Palpatine's exit strategies upon knowledge of him being a Sith Lord was exposed to exploit his forme master's plans. What would those plans be? How would they be exploited? How would Dooku change war strategy now he is in full control? When would Dooku's identity as Darth Tyrannous be revealed? How would that effect alliances? This could actually turn into a mini-series.
Too bad it was wasted on a bad movie of way too many subverted plot scenes, lightspeed ramming( could have done that for the past 10k years), and forced characters that ruin the sentiment and ideals of what the rebellion was all about.
With the Death Star, if we scrap the tech manuals then we can see the Death Star being one big ass cyclotron to accelerate electrons to close to light speed they become a poor man's antimatter. And that antimatter is used to blow up planets. Central fusion reactor in the centre with quadrillions of tonnes of deuterium and helium-3 and the exterior are the weapon systems, shuttle bays, landing pads, etc. Along with big ass hyperdrive rings, massive maneuvering thrusters, etc. Where its useable size is mostly devoted to the weapon and secondary defences. Not enough for shipyards.
Truth be told, I like the Supremacy. I’ve wanted a factory ship is Star Wars for a long time. If it were in a different movie in the saga, I’d like it a lot more.
World Devastators though. Turn planets into more anything. You could even start your own grey goo scenario
@@ThatIcy777 That's a good point. I'm a fan of anything that can build something else. That's also why I like the Star Forge.
I really like these ships that can support and build other ships. And I too like the Star Forge (even if it doesn’t show that much power on it’s own)
There’s a ship called the arc hammer, look it up I don’t think it’s cannon (might be idk) but it’s a factory ship
Shadow program Looked up the Arc Hammer. It’s not canon, but it’s cool. It produced Dark Troopers. I wish they had more Factory Ships in Star Wars.
Not to worry we’re still flying half a ship
Another happy landing!
Snoke still runs half a body
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@@lordwarlockthangwrath8662 yes i am
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It's more surprising that this sort of mobile base of operations wasn't more common among factions within Star Wars. Considering the frequency at which planets are blockaded, bombarded, or destroyed outright, it's surprising that every faction capable of producing and fielding large capital ships didn't have something similar.
the only other faction in the galaxy that had something able to create Capital Ships near-instantaneously was the Infinite Empire of 25,000 years ago: their Star Forge was a stationary platform placed in orbit around their homeworlds' native star of Abo and drawed raw energy and resource materials from extracting the Hydrogen and fusing it together into other useful elements to be used in creating weapons, armor, droids, Starfighters and Capital Ships all in only a matter of minutes. The only realistic downside to this was that the entire facility was created out of Lignan: An extremely-rare, highly-addictive, Dark Side-Imbued metallic alloy that the Rakata basically used in all of their construction; and it was so potent in the Dark Side that the Rakata became addicted to the substance to the point of dependancy on it to use the Force. Because of this when the Lignan began to run out; their own natural Force-Sensitivity was pretty-much non-existant: which was a major problem because ALL of their technology revolved around using the Force to operate, including the Star Forge itself.
@@0hvist hmm, KOTOR, what lovely memories.
Bizarre that planets are treated as being so weak in Star Wars. A planet with defenses would be many orders of magnitude more powerful than a fleet, and be able to manufacture stuff and reinforce itself constantly.
After all, a fleet has to carry all its shit around with it. Planetary defenses can be as heavy as you damn well feel like it since they don't need to move at all.
@@ENCHANTMEN_ That's only true in some cases. Resource rich industrialized/militarized planets in Star Wars DO do this, but less resource rich less self sufficient planets don't have the luxury of planetary fortification.
@@ENCHANTMEN_ the thing is a planets defences is up to that planet which if you heavily defend one planet the enemy will likely just ..attack sonewhere else. A navy is funded by the government as a whole. Aswell planets are inherently stationary. Weapons in sw get to a scale where it can destroy ANYTHING that cant move
For all the impressiveness of the ship it didn’t have interdictor tech
This. Why bother with hyperspace tracking when interdiction would be much more useful?
I'm not convinced you can use overides to escape EVERY gravity field. Especially if they are overlapping.
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@@jonumine6250 Well, there are actually two ways of using an interdictor. The first way is by tricking the hyperdrive safety protocols into thinking that it's next to a gravity well. The second way is by using the full power of the interdictor to actually generate a gravity well that impedes all hyperspace travel regardless if any safety features have been disabled. So if they're used correctly (like how our Lord and Savior Grand Admiral Thrawn used them), they can prevent ANY ship from escaping, but the key word there is "correctly".
Honestly, the Supremacy is probably so big that it might not be able to project an interdiction field large enough to be useful. I mean, if something is right in front the ship, it can ion cannon or turbolaser (or tractor beam) it into submission easily enough. The Resistance fleet was pretty far away from the ship (being out of range of most of its weapons), so it would have been an enormous gravity well to stop them.
All those great features but they couldn't take the time to build in a gravity well generator?
Nicholas Czernek it may not be big enough or powerful enough on the bigger ships
No
Rian Johnson can't be bothered with such details that would have made his already lore breaking holdo maneuver ineffective. They threw established lore right out the window for the sake of the spectacle of it. What does that say when arguably the best thing in the movie is also the dumbest?
It should have at least had a few interdictor cruisers traveling with it
@@thesparduck117 Maybe it had
The Supremacy also had 500 Starbucks on each deck.
But do they serve death star coffee?
Cormac MacSuibhne yes they also have coffee called the malevolence
And yes I do know it’s from the clone wars
@@gibio396 Do they also serve Order 66?
Cormac MacSuibhne yes they do nut they call it the purge
Cormac MacSuibhne but you can order a specific purge called order 66
So this is basically High Charity in Star Wars, or is it not? A huge self sufficient city/military base that moves around the galaxy. Could you make a vs video?
High charity is much bigger.
@@attilathehun5067 indeed, but note that "size matters not"
Its basically the mothership from Homeworld
The only thing in sci-fi that rivals its size and volume is the world ship in the Blameverse, which is a ship that’s made up of mega cities on earth that constantly builds infrastructure to the point it is the size of the diameter of Jupiter
At least you can’t hyperspace ram high charity
You know what would fix this problem. A gravity well generator.
Funny how they can't afford to place one of them on the ship .
And maby a super laser? No?
Logan the Krogan thats what i was thinking
Duct tape 😁👍
*F L E X T A PE*
This just proves that if the Empire and Sidious valued quality over quantity and considered their rebellion an actual threat instead or a minor inconvience then the rebellion wouldn't have stood a chance. Sidious got cocky and lazy and tarkin just made everything worse
Unrivaled in firepower you say? Allen, the Eclipse-class Star Dreadnought would like a word with you.
All it has to do is charge its lazer and boom suppremzy gone
Or it could hyper space ram
@@beccahuttsell6001 yeah lol
@@beccahuttsell6001 Except it couldn't jesus fucking christ you people. It has been explained, time and time again, that the ram only worked because of a very specific set of circumstances and prototype shielding that worked totally differently than normal shields. So no, hyperspace ramming isn't the solution to literally every big ship.
@@teamcybr8375 Jesus it's a joke you dumbo
New Republic:I just sawed this ship in half.
First order: We better use Flex Tape!
This comment deserves more likes
NOW THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE
Yup... the idea that any old garbage scow with a hyperdrive and a grudge, can take out a capital ship more than 10,000 times its own size... RUINS the plots of every previous Star Wars movie. Thanks Rian and Kathleen... that scene sprayed feces all over the entire franchise.
Why build death stars? Any hyperdrive equipped ship with a droid pilot programmed to ram it, could mow a hole 30+ kilometers deep into it. That kind of defeats the whole purpose of giant ships and death stars. Hell, if I were the rebel alliance, I'd be equipping large asteroids with hyperdrives and programming them to slam into the empire's capital ships at every opportunity.
@@Mr.Ekshin true
Sven Jorgenson soon to be uncanonised (trademark)
*slaps roof of Supremacy*
This bad boy here is several times larger than a Nimitz class carrier
Yea nimitiz class would be a spec
That's an understatement.
It would take more than a million toyota corollas aligned together to match the length of his bad boi
Shin Gojira wrong channel
Bro u made my day
So what you're saying is a few of these would have been a vastly better decision than building the Death Star either time, or Star Killer Base... I feel like mistakes were made.
Yes. To be fair, Vader and Thrawn both told the Emperor exactly that, and he ignored them.
yeah and the first miskate was to made this sequels
the second dont look at the plot or the starwars universe "rules" about how ships travel in space or hyperspace
the third one its being the second mistake made, try to make a ship that could work in the old rules, which made this huge, overprice ship a complete piece of junk
now with ships that can break anything while enter in hyperspace, star destroyers, dreadnough, death star, star killer and all capital ships are useless combat ships.
@@johnsmith401 To be completely fair, even the Sequels admit that the Holdo Maneuver was a 1-in-a-Million shot. If anyone were to attempt it again, it's unlikely they'd achieve the same result.
But I do agree that, for the most part, the Sequels were a mistake.
Especially since destructive arrays of similar firepower could be fitted to much smaller platforms.
The Death Star was just a massive and awkward showpiece.
@@AndorRadnai yeah it’s interesting Palpatine was using it when he had access to the Xyston class
Perhaps the Kyber technology was considered but he couldn’t actually get it sorted until the sequel era
The Supremacy suffered an extreme case of the usual weakness of Empire military tech - one big target syndrome. It happened to both Death Stars, it happened to Star Killer Base, and now it has happened to the Supremacy, but the Empire/First Order never learns. If you can't effectively protect your super capital ship/ultimate weapon, it is just a liability, a massive waste of resources and money just waiting to be blown up, taking a huge crew with valuable skills with it.
It would have been nice if the threat of the Supremacy had been better established on screen and it had checked out in a more compelling fashion than just being rammed by a cruiser, but the ultimate outcome is the same.
Next approach, lots more Star Destroyers?
Yeah, there was no reason to bring it out in the first place. PERIOD. They couldn't move Starkiller base, which makes me wonder since the New Republic should have seen it at some point and known it was a threat, but not only that, it has to drain a start completely to fire it, so once it exhausts the sun(s) nearby, it can't fire anymore, and it's a huge schwerer Gustav at this point. The Supremacy shouldn't have been seen on screen unless it was found by the Resistance. It's not a front-line combat vessel, it's a base in space.
Plot Armor Thicc
the Jedi had big ships too
@@ChaoticJester The Jedi had cruiser class vessels (or rather the Grand Army of the Republic did), but they didn't favour super-capital class ships like the Supremacy or vast constructs like the Death Star. The Jedi never really went for the all your eggs in one basket type strategy that so typifies both the Empire and later the First Order
The Supremacy should at least be stripped for materials. The hull, fuel, engines, all the stuff inside it, and even maybe the ship itself
Jon Umine I mean they could just repair the dmg reconnecting the wing.
Just have the surviving star destroyers tractor beam it into a stable orbit around Crait and mine the planet for materials for repairs as the old reble base was originally a mining colony.
With the loss of Starkiller base and the supremacy the New Order was screwed
Move it from military service to civilian service
Hey at 3:07 you say that the supremacy had 2 external docks and 6 internal docks, but it’s the other way around. But other than that, good video! To me the supremacy’s true strength lies in its function as a mobile factory & shipyard. In my fleet I’d probably modify it to dock smaller corvettes and frigates as well
Dammit! I thought I was the first to spot that lol!
Makes more sense that most docks are external though
Who would win?
One of the largest and strongest capital ships in the First Order or some purple haired lady
To be fair we don't know the power of that hyperdrive.
And three kilometres of Fuck You*
Kevin Ngo for some reason the first order stopped sending tie fighter squads to attack the ship or didn’t use hyperspace to get some capital ships in front of the Raddus
You don't know the power of Marge Simpson.
You mean one guy whos said its a traaaaaaaaaaap
The ship's number 1 flaw: no gravity well (anti-hyperspace) generators on it or its escort fleet. A weapon the Galactic Empire was famous for against rebels using hit and run tactics
It is possible the the Supremacy had it. However, Hux ans the officers though pointless to use it because of hyperspace tracking, and when they realise what Holdo was doing, it was too late to activate it.
Also a gravity well, generated from the vacinity of the ship, would create a pulling effect towards the ship and the well. If you are trying to prevent someone flying the opposite way then yes thats useful. If your trying to stop them from going towards you however, the gravity well has just made it much easier for that ship to get sucked towards you.
@@DionysianCynic I don't think that is how the gravity well in star wars functions, it just prevents lightspeed travel.
@@MDP1702 the way I remember it being used is like a vacuum sort of. Idk haven’t watched rebels in a while tho
How about a hanger bay capable of launching more than just three fighters
Imagine trying to parrel park that thing
I would hover
@@GenerationTech plus how would that thing even turn?
Its not really arrow dynamic
@@lordseelenfresserdemonking1168 Well it isn't an atmospheric ship it's too big and it probably turns like a b2 bomber more power is diverted to one side of the ship to help it turn
That's what flasher parking is for.
That's what we use autopilot for.
I'm just impressed that apparently the Raddus's deflector shields seemed to be extremely effective against weapons called "Super Heavy Turbo Laser's". I mean regular turbo lasers sure but these massive weapons seems to be a bit of a stretch on Disney's part.
Mon Cala has the best shields
Ah yes, the crazy, lobbing, gravity affected turbolasers...
@@chrissonofpear1384 It was not really gravity. It just looked like it was bending due to the weird camera angle of both ships relative to the weapons emplacements.
Super Heavy Turbo Laser also have arc trajectory ma boii...
The only thing i don't get about the supremacy is that why does it not have a super laser, or at least a few battering ram cannons, as the eclipse was far smaller, at only 17km, whereas the supremacy was nearly 60km long, so they could have fitted a super laser on it, as well as that, why could they not put gravity wells on it? I mean, it's an awesome ship and in my top three favourite ships, but it is tactically flawed.
The Supremacy alone with everything on must take huge amounts of energy. Sure they had redundant systems on it but powering a super laser let alone a gravity well generator would also need massive amount of energy. The Gravity wells field has a big range but that won’t matter if the ships the supremacy is facing is moving way faster. The Energy also has to go to their massive engines, turbo lasers, shields, their factories on the ship, and the lights in general. The reason why they didn’t put a gravity well generator on a star destroyer because the generators takes a bunch of energy to operate. Hope this answers your question.
@@N120Xeno a few standard sized well gens would be sufficient
TheSunkenCommander yes your right they could have at least have specialized interdictors like the empire did. If you have a fleet that is about to hunt you want your prey to have no chances of escaping.
The gravity well projectors is a good point. The superlaser, not so much. Think how easily triggered the star wars fan base is these days.
@@OrDuneStudiosyeah, I really don’t get the ‘energy needs’ comment. The thing is big enough to contain all the fusion reactors the GW Generators or Super Lasers would need, without impacting anything - and have multiples of each.
I really love the supremacy. Its definitely one of my favourite star wars ships, and I'm glad to see you go into detail on it. However I must point out that at 3:07 you said it has 8 docks, 2 externally and 6 internally. I know you meant the other way round but that is just me wanting to point stuff out like that.
The idea looks like a Homeworld Mothership class ship. moving, production, resource processing
Bring sajuuk to bear
Bring sajuuk to bear
yep, though to be fair the homeworld mothership class ship wasn't also an infantry training center and a super dreadnought. this makes the mothership class ship far more realistic.
So what your saying is a giant factory/capital/dreadnoughts is just floating above a random planet and its recoverable? Fetch me my rocket skates.
It’s a shame it was destroyed in TLJ. I would’ve loved to have seen this ship in episode IX!
Maybe Disney will get smart and have a newly repaired Supremacy. Supposedly set several years later.
@@michaeldougherty2807 fucking better
The Supremacy was kind of a neat idea, so therefore it had to be removed from the new trilogy ASAP (see Snoke).
Haha... nop.
Imagine this thing repaired by the Resistance and used to fight the Xystons
The First Order builds the biggest and best ships
And still got smoked by a chick alone on a ship that was out dated and almost out of fuel.
@@ChiptuneDCI I have heard of the Eclipse. It was in the Dark Empire comic book trilogy.
@@ChiptuneDCI I loved both versions of the eclipse
Venetor class star destroyer
#1: It changes the laws of the universe so that someone ships can crash into it in light-speed, even though their warp technology doesn't work that way.
Hyperspace technology. The Warp Drive travels through real space, so it can actually ram at FTL speeds. A Hyper-Drive, however, shifts the ship into hyperspace, so it's no longer in the physical universe.
wow ok holy shit i thought this ship was stupid, but after hearing about it wow thats an impressive ship
does any one else feel like no ship size in star wars will ever do justice for "power" anymore thanks to episode 8 hyperspace ram : /
KingWolf yup
a one in a million shot with a cruiser did more damage to that feeling than a single fighter flying into a bridge taking out the entire ship?
Invader Naj Fair, but that was crazy lucky and unintended, but the hyperspace ram from intended and strategic.
Eclipse was set to ram the Galaxy Gun Superweapon without Hyperspace and the only reason it was destroyed was due to the explosion caused by the Superweapon being destroyed so i bet it could survive a few
@@InvaderNaj the shields on the executor had been disabled, thats why it went down
No ship was made to withstand hyperspace ramming because this tactic wasnt a move you could actually pull in the starwars universe... Untill the last jedi retconned it all and made the idea of deathstars laughable when you can just strap hyperdrives to bulk cargo loaders filled up with high-mass junk, aim it at a target and send it off at light speed+
Old comment, but don't worry too much, they made some crappy coverup to ensure that nothing like that happens again, y'know , the prototype shields the ship had. So pretty sure thanks to that it won't happen any more.
why couldn't it be pulled off
@@thebadness6217 What are you asking? The in-universe reason is that using hyperdrives pops you into an alternate dimension where faster than light travel is possible.. real objects project a kind of gravity-based 'shadow' into this hyper-verse based on how much mass said object has in real space.. hence why there's a danger of hitting planets and traveling through hyperspace requires navigational computations to be safe. However actually hitting something while in hyperspace does no harm to the object projecting the 'shadow' you just hit for the same reason that punching someone's shadow does no harm to the person the shadow is cast from.
As for why star wars hyperdrives work this way, its because if hyperdrive ramming was possible, no-one would ever build a death star because for the price of a hyperdrive, a droid pilot and a sufficiently massive hunk of junk (be it a ship, scrap metal or an asteroid), you could essentially do what they did in the last Jedi and blow up the death star without any of the fancy 'send a torpedo into the reactor through the tiny exhaust port' tactic. In short, if this kind of hyper-ramming is possible... the prior movies would not possibly have happened the way they did because all the problematic superweapons could have been replaced by or destroyed by a method that is several orders of magnitude cheaper than building those superweapons could ever be. (case in point, one simple light resistance cruiser basically took out the big mega-ship and most of the smaller destroyers of the first order fleet for a ridiculously small fraction of the cost that it took to build those things). If this was something you could just do whenever you wanted all along in Starwars. The story for the entire 9 movie series would have to change significantly to accommodate for this being possible... Or we can just ignore the one film (not counting the 9th one which tried and failed to compensate for the 8th) that screwed everything up beyond repair.
@@accywacky2699 the first paragraph explains how she hit it.
The 2nd paragraph is irrelevant because you are not one that dictates what the fictional empire or first order or sith empire or whoever builds for their military.
I mean we literally have the US military building aircraft carriers when there's currently talks of how having a crap ton of missile launching subs and ships would be more effective at winning a war against a near peer adversary. Who is actually right on that subject? Who the hell knows.
If you gonna look that deep into nitpicking story elements of films, why even bother watching any film. Because you can find plotholes, continuity errors or physic inaccuracies in every film in existence.
@@thebadness6217 Because when one film in the series invalidates the other 7 that have come before it and the person who made it has gone on record for not giving an eff about Starwars it is pretty obvious that this loophole did not require 'looking deep' or nitpicking... its as obvious as "in a movie series that feature big planet destroying superweapons as plot points, do not introduce a way where anyone in that universe who can afford the equivalent of a transport truck can use it as a one-shot weapon that can destroy those superweapons with ease."
Say what you want about the TLJ, this ship was awesome and you can't convince me otherwise.
Yea I wish we could’ve seen more of it
Calvin Matthews
Meh.
Eclipse was cooler.
@@MrImastinker But Eclipse isn't canon :((
#6 Firepower: Carries mini Death Star laser in ground portable mount, doesn't have one equipped on the ship to take out enemies at extreme range.
Except it's probably not that strong. It functions the same way as the Death Star, but they used it to break open a door from close range. I doubt it's strong enough to vaporize fully shielded ships at range.
Also could've stuck a couple of orbital cannons from a Mandator IV on it with ease, and I suspect Poe wouldn't be able to Bart Simpson phone prank his way to take out the point defense on the Supremacy.
Still surprised that the supremacy was “destroyed” by the MonCal cruiser.
Vader’s Super Stardestroyer shield tanked 3 ISD that came out of hyperspace
They have to bring back the supremacy for episode 9!
Definitely. It could have a superlaser that can destroy planets.
what would be cool is if they had built a self-repairing system aboard the Supremacy. That way, if they ever bring it back, they can see the ship basically repairing itself through a system of nano robots or something that filled the holes made by Holdo's blast
Kylo had it repaired, simple and no one would question it.
@@michaeldougherty2807 Except you know they would. We'd be treated to another year-long wingeing binge as they complain about how being able to repair a ship like that breaks the fucking lore.
@@teamcybr8375
How would that break the lore? Repairing a ship that had it's wing broken off isn't lore breaking.
Hyperspace ramming is lore breaking.
The Supremacy was probably built during the days of the empire and was intended as a mobile base of operations to be used in the outer rim and in the conquest of unknown space. It was a strategic asset and never intended to be used in front-line combat.
Unrivalled. Shame it didn't have any gravity generators to prevent hyperdrive ramming
It may have had them but they hadn't bothered to activate them seeing as how they were in pursuit of a rebel Cruiser and they themselves may have needed to enter hyperspace. The gravity well generators may also have interfered with the hyperspace tracking
You must be right@@jamesricker3997
Executor shield does stop star destroying from ramming
@@jamesricker3997 One of the many examples of how overconfident the FO was
Wait they scuttled it?! What a waste they could’ve easily repaired the half that still worked
DRKTROOPER15 ikr
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I was thinking they could fix the half that worked and then flipped it vertically like a shark fin for episode 9 but I guess not now
Yeah the bridge is still there, heck still has thoes factories that can make parts for star destroyers so it can tecnically repair its self
The made it unusable, that doesn't mean it's permanently unrepairable. I reckon we'll see it again, if not in IX then in expanded materials.
@@LAV-III Also was conveniently near a mining planet so they wouldn't have to go far for most of the materials.
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What would happen to a planet if the Death Star hyperspaced it’s way trough it?
Likely at leadt enough damage to make it unsuitable for life. We should remember than planets are a lot denser than something like a car or spaceship.
@AboutToKermit That's a fair interpretation. It all depends on how dense any hypothetical planet is.
Lets put it this way..... The DS-1 Orbital Battle Station (Death Star) is 160km in Diameter, and has a Cargo Capacity of over 1-Million Kilotons.
If full on Cargo, and it crashed into an Earth-like Planet at Lightspeed, it would explode with enough force to - at the bare minimum - turn the planet into a molten, lifeless husk.
Plus side, that's still not enough destructive force to turn the planet into a Debris field by itself.....but the resulting explosion from the Death Star's Hypermatter Reactor might.
So yeah, catastrophic destruction even at the bare minimum level.
Think asteroid impact. Planet would be uninhabitable. Death Star would be destroyed though
If the Death Star has enough power to fire a planet-obliterating turbolaser, then shouldn't the explosion of its hypermatter reactor be sufficient to destroy a planet as well?
6:53 “There’s just no surviving a hostile encounter with this city-sized weapons platform. Unless you bring a Death Star, or ram it at hyperspeed.”
I feel like it’s difficult to survive ramming it at hyperspeed. Holdo sure didn’t survive.
Eclipse: u wot m8?
It would be cool if the First Order salvaged the wreckage of the site and built a new Supremacy or other capital ship from it.
Old comment, but they could lock it into orbit around crait or something, and use what's left as a station while they mine resources to repair the ship
So someone took the mothership from Homeworld, scaled it up and turned it on its side. K
Firepower is irrelevant as long as the enemy ship is lighter and faster, until it runs out of fuel or hyperspace rams you anyway.
No Star Wars media films or shows ever feel like they give us a proper feeling of scale of these things. It isn't often that we see anything bigger than a capital ship next to fighters. So when the capital ship rammed the Supremacy, its size just didn't feel very apparent. This whole video does this monster justice.
Good video man
I just saw the New Republic Defence Fleet just get literally annihilated by Star killer at the start of your video at 0.17
Do a video on Article 13. "So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause."
And people wonder why Brexit is a thing.
Not it’s: so this is how memes die, with thunderous applause.
luke Chang memes, liberty, the differences are tiny, really.
Hi Everyone!!! Hey I feel like certain people Underestimate Starwars Legends. When it comes to against Warhammer 40K because
1. 40k fans ignore the fact that Starwars Legends has Star Weirds, and Space Wraiths of which nothing physical can't hurt them. Star weirds are special Energy Spirts. Star Weirds have the ability to use Extreme Lightning of unique kinds and colors of it . The can use Stars , drain Stars, and throw Stars. They can go in and out of Black Holes. Starweirds can Mimic and use terror Scream in the middle of outer Space. They can go into Hyperspace , Spaceships and in things completly silent while mimicing their opponents , while haunting and use terror on their victims and they can do other things.
(Starwars Legends Star Weirds can take on 40K Necrons.
The Warhamer 40K Necrons can get hurt physically. Space Wraiths from Starwars Legends can take on the Demons from WarHammer 40K. )
3. Lets point some things out. Starwars Legends does have a better Governement, Better Space Travel tech, and more Creativity of Space Ship types and Varients- Examples ( Battle Cruisers, Frigates, Corvets, Carriers, Destoyers, Dreadnaughts, Support ships, Super Weapon ships, and other things.) Like the Well awesome creative round donut Spaceship CIS/Separatist Lulkhulk Carriers/Destoyers. The Starwars Legends ships look nicer compared to the Warhammer 40K.
4. Starwars Legends does have Chaos. 40K people ignore the fact that Starwars does have Chaos in it.
5. Starwars Legends is balanced, it has the Force of the Lightside and the Dark side in it. Meaning Starwars has ( Good vs Evil) in it . Starwars has War and Peace in it.
Warhammer 40K is 95% Unbalanced. Warhammer 40K mainly just has War in it.
6. Starwars Legends has Capitalism in it. Has Friends that can help, and Support each other. The Starwars Universe is more Unified.
on the other hand Warhammer 40K is Communitist and its Ununified mostly. ( Except the Tau from Warhammer 40K the Tau are more of the only good guys in the 40K Universe. )
7. Starwars Legends also does have a Super weapon that can destroy another Universe. Like how Warhammer 40K can.
Now onto some examples Let's take the Matter Universe and anything that is made of Matter. Anything that is Matter can't surive in Other Space from Starwars Legends. Because In Starwars Legends Other Space is White Outer Space is the complete opposite from Regular Black Outer Space.
Warhammer 40K only has 1 type of Infinate Outer Space. Starwars Legends has 2 types of infinate Outer Spaces it has
1. Other White Outer Space is
really Hot and has Cold Stars. Basically has
( White Holes, Light Energy , Light Anti Matter, Anti Matter, Anti HoleWorms, Anti Gravity, Anti Particles, Anti Atoms, and other things) Starwars has this!!
2. And theirs Regular Black Outer Space. Black Outer Space is really Cold with Hot Stars. Regular outer Space basically has
( Black Holes, Dark Energy, Dark Matter, Matter, WormHoles, Gravity, Particles, Atoms and Other things.) Starwars and Warhammer 40K has this!!!
Though you can't really contain Anti Matter in a container made of Matter because the Anti Matter and Matter are the opposite from each other they will cancel each other out it will become nothing Emptyness. Only if you put Anti Matter and Matter Together. and even right by each other.
First Order: Nothing can defeat the Supremacy!
Legends Palpatine: (destroys the Supremacy using the Eclipse's super laser) You were saying?
First Order: ...
Just imagine of you were a bridge officer and your quarters were at the tip of a wing...you'd actually have quite a serious commute to get to work...🤯
Could you do a 10 flaws/features of the Executor-class Super Star destroyer plz?
Really like this shop a lot. Definitely would love to learn more about it and see more of them be used
4:37 if i was head of the first order i wouldnt bring this beast anywhere near the battlefield
The Supremacy was so big it had 2 main characters on board and still got destroyed
This is like the perfect Starship for exploration - just sayin'.
yh or even for civilian service
The Executor could survive having three Imperial-class Star Destroyers ramming it in hyperspace speed with only the shields being out for a while. The Supremacy couldn't survive one Rebel cruiser doing the same thing. ARGUMENT OVER.
Snoke knew what he was doing. Unfortunately Palpatine didn't pay for a ship like this instead of the Death Star.
It got shredded by a FTL projectile. Large ships no longer make sense in Star Wars.
@@josephcurwehn7150 I think it makes a lot more sense when thought about from a science understanding.
Hey that was Tarkin’s dumbass idea
The death star was all that, plus a super laser
@@Hoshimaru57 True.
Hunh, it looks like he also doesn't put up his Christmas Tree in a timely fashion. Glad I am not the only one to have forgotten to take my tree down, and its still there in my living room, lit up too!
@6:50 I still cringe at the fail of seeing "gravity" affect the weapons fire. And the idea of running out of fuel was equally ludicrous - momentum would've carried the ships ad infinitum.
Lots of sci fi ignores the laws of motion in space, so it is not unique to star wars. I mean, it's a franchise with star fighters making turns like WW2 era atmospheric planes. The "gravity" effect is just a visual illusion based on the position of the ship/camera.
Do keep in mind when one object ceases to accelerate it continues at its last course and speed until acted upon. With that said the First Order ships continued to accelerate or chase the Rebels so they would have over taken the Rebel frigates which were no longer accelerating at sub light speed. One a side note do you ever wonder why they Rebels did not just dock with the larger ship move both cargo and fuel into the larger ship then scuttle the ship or send it off with enough fuel to distract the First Order ships or better yet send it back at them as a hyper-speed missile.
Add gravity well generators, missle jammers (if there aren't any), and a kyber crystal powered superlaser stronger than the eclipse's one and you've got an unstoppable force
The Supremacy was wasted in TLJ.
All it needs is a Superlaser and a few Gravity Well Projectors.
Wait. No Superlasers? Really?
Very very interesting video!!
👍☯️👍
Great vid GenTech! A fascinating watch.
Lol...Starkiller Base, The Supremacy, just made obsolete by the dark side of Disney.....
How did this guy get so much information about MY ship?!
When Fan Service runs out of steam.
I loved this one.
That ship is a-fuking-mazing
They scuttled it, damn I was hoping she'd make a comeback. I remember thinking that it was ridiculous until I got a hold of the cross sections for Last Jedi, and now she's my second favorite ship in Star Wars, right behind the OG big daddy the Executor.
I've thought since the moment we saw Ren looking from the throne room of at the other the severed half. Of how goddamn freaking awesome it would be if they kept the half and a bit that was cut of but remained functioning. Supreme Leader Ren and General Hux seemed pretty safe on the remaining half looking out the veiwport at the smoldering fiery remains of the other half. So the other half is gone. But the rest remains. And what remains is this badass silhouette like a dagger that I think would be absolutely gorgeous in atmosphere. It is truly symbolic of Ren himself. It's broken, scarred and torn apart. It's absolutely beautiful symbolically. It would show the first order prowess and what a force they are. The resistance fucking hyperspace jumped directly into the Supremacy ship. The most devastating manevour that has been done to a ship in Star Wars. It was cut it in half and just the debris from it completely obliterate star destroyers. And yet the supremacy stands, it may not be whole but it is ready to fight.
It really feels like a waste to scuttle such a powerful ship, the First Order could really just secure the space around it and work to get it repaired, cause it still had power after it got rammed and was probably still combat effective
Clearly wasnt unrivaled ships can become hyper space missiles apparently
That's no space station, that's a spaceship
Did this ship's warranty cover the MASSIVE damage, after the "Holdo maneuver"?
10 insurances companies closed after, lmao.
To show the power of flex tape, I SAWED THESE SHIPS IN HALF!
Generation tech, you guys have a huge star wars channel. Does Disney or george Lucas ever talk to you to make sure you don't say something they don't want you to say? Hah
Ah yes its unrivalled ability to track ships in hyperspace that was SO unrivalled even Supreme Leader Snoke didn't know his ship could do that until General Hux told him.
What about it's ability to imitate projectile trajectory as if they were under the influence of gravity
Personally I figured that the projectiles from those large canons had solid cores that enabled the trajectory change, as proton torpedos have solid cores with an energy field around them, and they can turn on a dime. It would be a useful feature to have on a ship, as it would enable canons on top of the ship to fire at objects below the ship, and you would be able to fire over asteroids or debris
That was the only time weapon range seemed to exceed 40 KM in the whole film...
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Anakin Skywalker: the plot armor is strong with this one.
What if Luke survived episode 8 and met Ashoka and Ezra to fight the knights of Ren?
That would have bin awesome
Rebels highly suggests ahsoka was killed.
Ashoka believe it or not is still alive and well as referenced in the latest mandalorian season 2 episodes
As the franchise deteriorated, I pictured an alternative script, picking up from Aftermath towards a new version of the Dark Empire stories. Making the Supremacy into Palpatine's last trump card, left on auto-pilot on the unknown regions for the First Order to find, sounds a better script than TFA, IMHO.
The Empire would have been way better off sinking time and funds into ships like this rather than Death Stars
So true
That's what Thrawn and Vader told the Emperor.
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Greatest weapon ever built, destroyed in one hit. Thanks disney for keeping it interesting.
made it UNRIVALED until it got blown up instantly
If the Transformer giant Unicron was to need a new form and fix him self up if he was damaged, this ship would be it that he would need for his new body and alt mode. Maybe using the tech to build Star Destroyer Transformer armada with human size bots on bored, making for some new bots and way's for Unicron to take over an invade.
inability to move when a ship is slowly getting into ramming position?
In real star wars, that ramming would have barely scratched its shields
Why on earth would you scuttle the ship if only half of it was destroyed? With all the capabilities of this ship it had the means of repairing itself, and with all the advance tech it would make much sense to secure and let the droids repair the ship. You literally have droid factories on the ship dedicated to repair and maintenance. Just give it some time and let the droids do the work. It had the industrial capabilities of a small planet which is insane. Scuttling this ship would be the equivalent of having half the U.S. being bombed and the US deciding to abandoning the mainland and chill in Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico.
I don’t consider Disney Star Wars to be canon.
To me, the Supremacy is merely Mickey Mouse’s fan fiction.
if anyone stupidly asks "why didn't they just hyperspace ram the death star" here's the answer,
Rebels didn't have a big ship for yavin, second death star, shield was still up and half their mon calamari crusiers were destroyed or too think to hit the cores
So it's the star wars high charity
but I dosn't look like a giant jellyfish
@@LAV-III but I like the space hot air balloon
I just want to know... How many tie fighters does it usually have as a compliment? Because according to the movie. The answer is three
Being blasted into space is terrible... unless you're Carrie Poppins.
Y'all
Alan, you're sounding like Carrie all of a sudden! Welcome to GeneraSHion Tech.
I wish I had total control over that ship. Id control you all with glee.
Star Destroyer: Drops fighters
The Supremacy: Drops Star Destroyers
If I had the supremacy I would like to have one of those things that pulls ships out of hyperspace then the Raddus cannot ram it
And an anti hacking system
Alan, got an alternate Star Wars history video for you!
Before this video, I was watching "What Droids did the Clones FEAR most on the Battlefield?" by Geetsly's. Earlier today I watched the Clone Wars episode where Count Dooku was ordered to kill Ventress. It got me thinking:
What would have happened if Dooku had realized Sidious wanted Ventress dead because he feared the combined powers of Dooku and Ventress and, as a contingency plan, he and Ventress had agreed "You are no longer my apprentice" was code to initiate an assassination of Sidious?
As a bit more to run with, My initial thoughts are Dooku would utilize specialized droids to learn of Palpatine's exit strategies upon knowledge of him being a Sith Lord was exposed to exploit his forme master's plans.
What would those plans be? How would they be exploited? How would Dooku change war strategy now he is in full control? When would Dooku's identity as Darth Tyrannous be revealed? How would that effect alliances?
This could actually turn into a mini-series.
Apollo Serenus sounds like a fun alternate universe plot!
"A length of 13 km, or 18 mi...."
2:44 "Ship-sized cities"; he may have a little dyslexia thing going on, but I still like his videos.
oh wow
LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!
Too bad it was wasted on a bad movie of way too many subverted plot scenes, lightspeed ramming( could have done that for the past 10k years), and forced characters that ruin the sentiment and ideals of what the rebellion was all about.
With the Death Star, if we scrap the tech manuals then we can see the Death Star being one big ass cyclotron to accelerate electrons to close to light speed they become a poor man's antimatter. And that antimatter is used to blow up planets.
Central fusion reactor in the centre with quadrillions of tonnes of deuterium and helium-3 and the exterior are the weapon systems, shuttle bays, landing pads, etc.
Along with big ass hyperdrive rings, massive maneuvering thrusters, etc.
Where its useable size is mostly devoted to the weapon and secondary defences. Not enough for shipyards.